>> the u.s. said it is working on a permanent source of funding for maintenance and national parks and other public land. with the money coming from royalties on mining or drilling leases on federal property. senators have negotiating amendments to the great american outdoors act and plan to finish work on the legislation next week. c-span2 will have live coverage of that debate. >> host: thanks for joining us. >> guest: thank you. >> host: tell us about the efforts coming from speaker pelosi. >> guest: speaker nancy pelosi is renewing the call for removing a number of statues in the national statuary halll collection that honor people who either fought for thegh confederacy or otherwise involved with the confederacy.

the most notable name on the list the people who are actually honored in the capital with the statue from the collection of statues where each state gets to send to people would probably be jefferson davis, who was the confederate president during the war. .. rat is basically the leadership in the senate and the house a administration committee in the house that wants to remove the statute anyway. what we have heard from republicans at least, kevin mccarthy and mitch mcconnell has

said that you need the state to make this decision. and they're welcome to send other statues, we have seen over the years and the change and they would like to see them gone even if perhaps some of the southern state legislators would be inclined to replace them. >> now that she sent that letter was a process. >> whether or not they're going to do much of anything, this is separate from the other issue that congress is also debating and a role for congress itself, the question of naming military bases that you mention in the open and that would require

president trump in the pentagon to tend to. and on one hand it's congress itself that could make decisions and they generally been pretty deferential to the state. >> we saw the senate armed services committee take up consideration on that front, tell us what happened. >> the armed services committee met behind closed doors in the markup of the annual defense authorization this week and what we learned on wednesday was an amendment by elizabeth warren, the democratic senator from massachusetts was a very well after her presidential campaign, they offered an amendment that would give us a three year timeline to the pentagon to remove the names of the

stnfederates from brinkley everything. that is not just the military bases, but also there are places where there may be streets on military installation and competitive figures, basically all of that needs to go away, you don't -- they don't basically want to have a jefferson davis highway running through military base either. and they put that into the defense authorization. so that will be into the bill as it goes to the floor, now james inhofe, the chairman of the service committee said that even though that was adopted by a voice vote, he was on board with it and he is going to attempt to change the language to loosen thete requirement. but that is going to take an affirmative vote in the senate,

because it's in the bill coming out of the committee, more likely than not, if senators want to not make the military remove the names of confederate generals and the like, they're going to have to have a vote on the senate floor to do that which is not necessarily about senators are going to want to take. >> into the defense authorization in the white house on that? >> even before i knew the amendment had actually been authored, i had to be one of the rotating reporters in the white house press briefing on wednesday afternoon and press secretary said the president would not find any legislation, any legislation that changes the name of military bases that currently honor confederate

generals arguing that it may have been the last place that people left the united states before going in and dyingng in war, obviously general david had an opinion piece a few days ago, others have spoken up, i believe robert gates is speaking up in defense secretary but the white house argument is that he will not sign anything even if it's a defensen authorizati. so were looking at the possibility and is far-fetched and may have seen as wednesday morning of a standoff that leads to a veto of the defense authorization which always includes the pay increase for troops, always includes a host of pentagon needs over items that are named for confederate

figures. >> neil covers the white house and congress in terms of their chief correspondent for roll call onn those fronts to walk us through what is going on capitol hill on the white house on these issues and always a pleasure. thank you for joining j us. >> thank you. >> a first guest of the morning is alex who is brooklyn college and the social justice project coordinator and the author of the book the end of policing, good morning, thinking for joining us. >> good morning. >> could you give the audience a sense of your view of what the police should be encouraged society. >> it's not so much with the police should be doing instead of policing in many situations as possible. the problem is we've come to over rely on police to solve every social problem underer the sun and it puts police in this untenable position where they're expected to be social workers and youth counselors and mental health clinicians and housing

experts and they cannot do all e those things in the movement to defund polices not just about i tryingut, it's about to rethink why we've turned all these problems over to the police to manage and starthi redistributing resources back into communities into initiatives that they think will make them safer. >> what lead you to the conclusion that police are doing things outside of what you described. >> between a quarter and a half of all people killed by police in the united states are having a mental health crisis. , we have completely failed to create any viable community-based mental health system and when people have a crisis and call 911, they have an arms police response. police are not equipped to manage those calls as well as they should be managed. so that is one example. we are using police and schools

to deal with disciplinary issues that is resulting in kids under ten years old and put in handcuffs, in new york city we have morey, nypd personnel in te schools than all counselors and social workers combined, those are just misplaced priorities. >> you mentioned defund the police movement that has been in the news for the last couple of days, can you specify what do you think that means because there's a lot of definitions going around as you know. >> i don't think anybody planned to have a movement called defund police or defund the police, there has been a movement on the ground even before minneapolis to get communities to reship their funding priorities and people use language like divest from policing and build ecommunities or justice reinvestment per dollar that requires explanation and does

not fit easily on a cardboard sign, what people are really talking about is going in and looking closely at city budgets aand identifying spending that goes to policing initiatives that would really be better handled in the community. also forha some people it means that they really would prefer to live in a world that does not require people with guns to maintain safety and order. i would like to live in a world like that too. but no one is talking about a situation where there is magic switch and tomorrow there are no police, no such switch existed no city council will 0 out the police budget in the next year. there is a lot of misinformation and intentional fear mongering out there to misrepresent what this movement is about to undermine his goals. >> is there a model in your mind of the police department in the united states or the world that would work best toin the idea wn

it comes to your idea policing? >> there is lots of examples of places that are doing some part of it. in eugene oregon, they don't use police to go on mental health calls and you deal with people having a crisis while homeless or crisis involving substance abuse. they send a nonprofit set of clinicians toss deal without and the results have been very good, we have legalized work in parts of nevada and it's not perfect but it reduces the harms to workers and improves public health outcomes, if we look internationally, we can see like places are portugal and europe have decriminalized all drugs, they decided to disband the narcotics unit, get the police out of the drug business and turn over to public healthug officials. and the rest of europe, no one heard of school policing, they think we arere crazy that they have high-quality counselors, high-quality afterschool programs