argument is he won't sign anything. so we are looking at the possibility has perfect as it may have seen on wednesday morning, they standoff that leads to a veto in the defense authorization which always includes pay increase for troops. always includes most of her visions at the pentagon, over items that are deemed for the confederate figures . >> the cover story thousand also covers congress. served as the chief correspondent for rollcall on this present joining us to walk usus through what is going on capitol hill and the white house on these issues. so is a pleasure. thank you for joining us. our next guest is derek johnson pretty served as that resident and ceo good morning and thanks for joining us sir. >> good morning and thanks for having me.

>> when we have seen his is the death of george floyd. what would you like to ultimately seek come from this. >> in place that you have individuals manyth backgrounds f these communities taken to thend streets. we had to take them to the s polls. we have issues that have been raised, happens in the november elections, public policy and makers. the value of the communities that put them in office. so as you see them in for from trust, we now have to have another march. >> how does the change in policy effect but we have seen over the last few weeks pretty. >> that was impacted whether it is police policy, within us nation finally addressing the issue of structural racism and created by that. and how we manage our economy.

and we pray on people versus corporations. and based on how we value the quality of life in the health of all communities. where the midst of a health pandemic. and on top of all of the underlying issues that have impacted the station for decades. >> when it comes over the issues of racism, it is a default the policies. what would you like to see change what could be done policy wise to make these changes. derrick: these gaps from everything from healthcare and education. how we have viewed the culture of policing in our community. how we address the issue of disparities around deployment. economicdi opportunities. all of those things are structural steps. policyur, racial impacts. we have to account for the historical realities of these gaps. many of which are bavarian

potential. it not only that death of breonna taylor, ahmaud arbery and george floyd in minneapolis or any of the other issues, working at all of these combined in the frustrations. statement icing by the nature of this discussion the joe biden is the one who can address these issues. derrick: i'm not going to suggest in any one person could address these issues. it does require leadership. we are lacking in leadership. and the legislative bodies and governorship in the congressional and in the white house. this is not a one position one person proposition. this is holistic and we have to determine as a nation, will we move this in the right direction will we continue to react to

incidents as they occur. the week go back. >> leading into the congressional level.o we saw house democratics issuing with police reformers walk through what they have proposed what you think the impact could be if it were passed. derrick: nothing with the leadership of the caucus. as the chairwoman, karen basten members of that caucus along with speaker pelosi and the majorities of the people in the house. it's not perfect but when you begin to propose policies that address the issue of the museum being able to hopefully hold hotale accountable for those actions finally. and the immunity is one of the biggest barriers to be held accountable. some police officers who have been identified as bad actors,

the records are not sealed. in these from one agency to another agency. in the training provided for police officers, several components to the piece of legislation. and i think it is important to begin to shift the culture around how we do policing in this nation particularly when it comes to african-americans and others communities. >> you can call and asking questions that two oh two, 748,000 an independent two oh 2,748,000 pretty so mr. johnson, you said initially that the legislative package what would make it perfect. derrick: there's always room for improvement. i am sure more time goes by, we will identify some of the gaps. i'm glad we finally have this

question that have tested nation for many years. if you look at the rise throughout the history of the nation rather instance, is always connected some how to local law enforcement. in the end of the aa cp, we had a campaign from 19221938. to say black man was launched yesterday. leaders were done in the center of the town square propagated by citizens and also included the local sheriff in law enforcement howho participate in and they bh agreed that individuals. that is how racist the situation was during that period of time. whether it is in detroit or newark, all of the weight up to the current. there's incidences where injustices have become so

egregious that they had no other choice but a peaceful protest. and some of this behavior that we also seen. >> one of those things a stand out over the last few days, this idea of defending the police or dismantling the police. what is your organization stand in those concepts. >> we understand the energy behind the need to changee the culture of policing. three definitions of actually what that means. and for me, i said that we need to change the culture in detroit being able to go across into canada. there's definitely a different culture between the communities that relations. in canada for the most part, they carry firearms pretty different type of relationship between police and the community. driving community, it substantial drop in crimes. the real question here is how do

we place the priorities and where we should be as a nation. more resources for preventative measures and should we provide more training for the officers so they can have different type of outlook on the communities they serve. and they should live in the community they are serving so that they understand and appreciate the dynamic of those communities and the relationships. often times we see policing and subcommunities not others. some type of presence to ensure a law and order when there is no increase or nothing that is out of order but they have a need for people to communicate and to see one another. i can say from experience that the neighborhood i grew up in, there were two types of police officers my neighborhood. thus we didn't trust and that in reputation of harassing in one

case. and those who came from the community, the maneuver k them. and we would say all this officer hopkins or napoleon . we would know them and we would talk to them. they seem the police officers they always created trouble we knew that. >> the president and ceo. our first call comes from randolph in massachusetts. this is robert. you're on withh our guests prety go ahead . >> i have a comment and a question about the defending. but first a comment. i want to think that jeep the last lady that called, the way that people acting on the streets. we can be focus on that because we are always going to blame a few people that acted a certain way and this is why she wants to

defund the police. derrick: what you question . >> people should realizing the defining, we have a lot of police that was in the military. they come back and they were trained to kill. we must hire people that are mentally ready to be policing people paraded in the defending means that when weat call 911, r a fire, please come. when we call 911, somebody's in crisis, heart attack. the ambulance comes. so when we have somebody in distress, there's going to be that we don't need to call the police when thedi gun with a badge. we had a lot of bad actors to show up there in a situation that they're not ready for. derrick: he raised in the

important point. we need more training for officers and how to de-escalate situations and not be postured it to escalate the situation. and oftenen times, individuals, when they have not been properly supported. particularly if you are in armed forces and fought overseas for nation. there's a level of support made mentally the transition back and began to see some variance. it's. >> from oklahoma. this non- republican republican line. roberta, go ahead. >> is couple. >> sorry go ahead pretty. >> over many times we spent our police persons to israel for training.

true. derrick: i can't answer that . and think it really is probably by department of reality. i don't know where to get trained outside of their local state academy. i can only imagine there are relationships there possibly could be for officers are being trained outside of the country. but i don't have an answer. >> what is a mean mr. johnson the many winning white people showing up to participate. we saw that senator romney him himself participating. what is that suggest you that how that feminist change pretty. derrick: thing is outstanding and whatwh is needed at this ti. this is not a black problem. this is an american problem. anytime i can watch someone murdered, and brought m it daylight and the officer casually casually put his knee on the individual's neck for

eight minutes and 46 seconds, and saying he was not resisting arrest. his handcuffs. and he had a cry for help. those perhaps one of the most inhumane things than any of us have seen on television. so i'm glad the more americans are standing up and asking the question that this cannot continue to be a customer is. we knew this was always as you say, people joining in. for senator romney, i commend him for his march. i want to see him stand up and support policy that will change the reality in which they area women . >> published by you and other members, continuing in the allies in your organization with the church of latter day saints. can you describe that . derrick: i come from the position that in order for us to

be a strong nation, we have to reach across communities and build understanding and acknowledge paths. i reached out to many communities to open up a dialogue. how can we work together. were the things we have in common. so the dialogue, predated this incident was incidents like this that would began to open up a dialogue. >> you find that only . and target johnson argus will go to virginia independence line. it. >> hello. good morning. another populace site right now is let's have a conversation. but we will have it. everybody says the major cities across the country will have a problem and part of

it is tech space pretty they have enough taxes to support things. so why did they not have enough taxes. is because as a businessman are not going to open a business in a city where something goes wrong, the come and burned down places. people do not want to live that. a young girl, young eight -year-old girl that was shot and killed . she was stuck in her apartment. a until we rip the scab off, in chicago, or memorial day weekend 60 people were shot. would have this conversation, let's address it because i do not hear anyone ever talk about chicago. what can't use all that. going to create a program, this create one in chicago, inro baltimore, see how that works pretty if that works in, absolutely. let's try everywhere. >> okay sir, thank you pretty.

derrick: i love the concept of ripping the scabep off. some of the structural racist policies and institutions that exist. the reason why you have the level of cities like chicago or baltimore, quite frankly i grew up in detroit is because institutions and worshiping in place, and support of the ability for young people to aspire to the highest often times are underfunded and defunded or the burdened. and our system is really based on who gets tax or not tax and how those tax dollars are spent. it in for public education for example. in all of the cities use a lot of this, narrative to do a who have people best positioned to add value to their communities and station. and then when you have all of

the other infrastructure they should have, and you take the decks dollars out of the great problems. chicago's is not suffering from a lack of space, it's always been suffering from how monies are spent in for what communities to address which issues. these teachers not assigned to schools for the most and 70 have some students with critical teacher shortage the least experienced teachers and others who have the high-performing higher quality teachers and you create an asperity. when the services that are required for instability are not in some communities but other communities. so in reality that we have american americans in urban areas. forcing them to eat unhealthy food. i guess back healthcare.

i could go onn and on and on. but that is part of ripping the scab off. but when he is talking about his symptoms of the problem. some of the monies pretty find in those communities those are systems, not the problems. >> los angeles california, independent line. >> good morning gentlemen. mr. johnson, i'm a vietnam vet. i'm looking at the situation which are saying. to pull the scab off. the slime independent. both parties are theul same. the republicans let you know when they coming from but the democrats are just as bad. nevert change. they have racist policies themselves. policies such ass ronald ragan but the drug cartels. and if god's obama was fast and furious. they spent 2500 weapons to the drug cartels. this justification for flooding

the black communities with illegals . so not only do we have to deal with another system, regular spanish or may become unemployed. this is where the common with the family that separated because black men are unemployed. >> but would you like our guesta specifically to address . >> should we vote for. he up one as racist policies and another one it will flood the community o with illegals with they want to care . up to 25 years old, free education and healthcare. in black people asked that and wh told us there was racial . derrick: we need to be clear not to demean wewe are. this is not about a partisan posture . nothing more than a vehicle for agendas. we have to is americans to

define what with the agenda be moving forward for everyone. we address the things that were essentially created to bring to move forwardju at donation. but recognizing the substantial population has been prayed upon. the predators from the financial industry. the predators run public policies.li there are police policies. that is real. this is a positive reality. no one i is perfect but the real question is when we go from here. it is the real question. that's what we should be addressing. should not be to some type of tennis match because it's political parties, where nonpartisan parade when i'm talking about his fears art democratic. this is not how do we move forward as a nation. >> patricia's next republican

line. go ahead. it. >> a limited area is predominantly run by democratic party. you see a correlation or look around with these problems are happening.ob and you see that the party in control is democrats . the police chief was most likely appointed by the party in control. why don't constituents want to see different from their democratic party in control. it. derrick: some of the gun to make this about partisanship. veryin clear, this is not about politicalno parties. both parties have not stepped up to the plate to address their structural racism in this country. and unfortunately, we try to posture systemic and long-lasting as if it was a conversation. that may be clear, political parties are nothing more than

agendas rated and political parties are nothing more than vehicles. the time the democratic party disaggregationf of the south. and because the democratic party decided to change their platform in the early and mid 60s, they ran to the republican party because they felt more comfortable being a part of this alliance to do the p same. both parties have been used by big pickleses for agendas the neither appropriate under our constitution, consistence with the language of our constitution and of created is systemic racist policies both structural ice and institutionalize. >> from michael and mason city iowa pretty your next up. go ahead. >> hello. then 53 years old and i am the

father of 12 children myself. most of them areil all adults wl have five kids at home right now. four of which are school-age. and i understand the george floygeorgefloyd murder . i watce video so many times. white man's face, and you can see the in his eyes. he was murdered. but all of this black lives matters, that i believe in it. we need somebody to be pushing it. we need that right at the forefront. boy forward with everything. martin luther king said i had a dream. i would love to see hisr dream come true in my lifetime. but it's a defunded the police, and then have these schools have contracts with the policeth department have officers staying at the schools. to help us make sure that our usnext generation of protesters and all of those people that

were going to be putting in power in the next coming years, safe and can go to school and learn in a safe manner. i would like to know what can we do different pretty if that wouldn't take the way the protection of our children for black lives matter movement. this seems to be pushing the police out the door did. derrick: that's a sincere question and we really shouldn't be talking about the culture. the communities who lead. our relationships and there is no reason for those of us live alone the canadian border, we can go less than a mile up the border and is a completely different culture. in the police are not all of the schools and are not aggressively targeting our communities. we do the same here. this is question of political policies and that's a question of our ability to reimagine

something different than what we currently see. it is not work. as a result of that, i think the real question here is how we change the culture to go to something the canon will work in those examples, we can see in other situations and countries. we don't have to go that far. just across the border to canada. you see work. and something to address structural racism that we have not done put in place of the structural cultures that talk about. this is about the system and has systematically undermined and impeded the ability for african-americans to fully participaten- citizens. whether it's undermining public education, whether it is undermining one's ability to

negotiate a fair contract pretty insurance policies for you name it. were talking money structural institutionalize system and is to addressed once and for all. >> icing that canada does all of this things. the makes the difference. derrick: on think that canada lacks the history that we have around race and race relations. they have not proactively put policies and of absolutely disadvantage communities the way the united states have done pretty hard options of the social security program is a great example. it would've liked to workers with domestic agriculture workers during time that african-americans either domestic or agriculturedo workes . in a new deal policy, we adopted home mortgage loan

program.m. but there was a banking industry to allow of who could qualify for these mortgages. a lot is to be the decision of the local bankers the local communities. they were able to create a design of qualifying for mortgages particularly if they were speaking of qualifying in specific neighborhoods. those policies we put into place and that we maintain. in many cases, we find this policies impacting of african-americans today. >> this is derek johnson joining us, resident and ce oh of the naacp. >> good morning. in cspan also.

i like test mr. johnson, you mentioned something about qualifying. i just wondering do you think it would be easier fore a citizen particularly african-american, actually make decisions in systemic racism by the policing the area in this country. when you file, directly in the courts the judges self is allowed discretionary system allegations. the 241 and 242 . [inaudible]. >> what would you like to address . >> rain i can do that. what would it help you can talk

all of you want . all kinds of legislation you want . with not being held accountable ine cou. >> thank you zach . derrick: proposed by the congressional and the speakers and agrees to is to do away with qualified immunity or according to the polls, the doctrines. but they can overcome the doctrine so that we can hold police officers accountable. in addition to that the legislation. speaker pelosi: the question of multiple district attorney spread the needcato to have independent investigations. in the authority so that the officers who have to work with police officers day in and day out on a conflict in the future scenario because of the difficult to have an office and you have to work with.

they also have to be officer responsible to investigate. >> independent mind go ahead. >> amy is from gray, georgia. democrat line. amy ahead and good morning. >> good morning. i think this is a very interesting conversation is a veryn familiar one. after these incidents in our country. mr. johnson, on done a wonderful job of educating your audience about racial relations in history of race in this country white people are the center of this. until they pick up the mantle of educating themselves about the real history of racism in this country. another benefit from it, there

will not be any real change. we will be in this continuous cycle of outrage. depravity, marches, people advocating for change until white people start looking at themselves honestly this country having this conversation. things will not change. mr. johnson, what do you think about that. thank you. derrick: i think your point is well taken. we have been here before. but something is a little different i hope this time. looking at the diversity of the crowds across the country. more respective of who we are as a nation. not just our african-americans are both just angry and upset. an inferior. much of the reaction that you see in the street is out of fear that at some point, the lives of our spouses and our family

members that we are actively sophisticate a this is economy of well organized citizens and paying taxes . and ways we have not always been properly compensated and yet in 2020, there's this approach that they may have their lives are expendable. and some of those individuals are feeding off of the tax dollars that are communities of putting in . bullet is different now is much more diverse, the video so clear. in this justification for pulling men down with anand the neck for eight minutes and 46 seconds. if you ever just think about what you were doing and then just stop for a minutes and 46 seconds, that is a long time.

in the other difference is there's a level of enthusiasm around this issue that piquant can be compared to november's election pretty much saying that the election will. i am saying six months of these public housing issues, we have to start with ensuring that individuals who have a value system are elected. and once elected we need to push for the top of the agenda to these problems. it is the timing. we walked into the election season. and so if we can keep this type of energy and momentum in the diversity that we see in the crowds, also understand what is at stake. we can make big changes in this nation. but we must continue the dialogue. now for the purpose of talking but tor move from process to

power. it. >> in terms of specifics what is the change will quicken find . >> to one i individuals in offie who understand this is it different type of value proposition to their position that they would adopt the type of public policy locally. that they reflect american that we read about nothing america in theory. >> for mental net in philadelphia pennsylvania democrat line. >> good morning gentlemen. i'm in my 60s in a black woman and for me, i don't get out for a lot of things. for me and a lot of us black folks, we think in terms like this. never had the debt paid.

when theo back to the beginning to solve the problem for it is so for us going back to the beginning and being told that even the definitions is self-explanatory. but even scientifically, their move from pointed point see pretty number two-point be to deal with what has happened. compensation for a group of persecutors people with a lot of others and even as recently as the men, they are getting their heoperations parted a lot of ths is a stigma this negative and if we could develop our own programs. our own schools. our own police officers. i'm not about away the policing. but when you see nothing but

white police officers that are at the root of these problems, we need our own. we don't qualify to ask for a desk to be paid. the stigma is there and until that's been dealt with. the scale of justice that is equal. >> okay let's get response . derrick: what she is bringing is legitimate. we have to address the entry that was placed upon us in the past in order for us to move forward. and often times we go to well i wasn't involved. that was way back then. this had everything to do nothing to do with slavery. and at the exact same time. the public policy for generations has created reality for americans.

consider how we funded public education across this country and how many of us, like into a life of underperformance as l a result of the difficulties they were born in. that's unconscionable for us to assume that that is okay. when some of these kids can go short distance from will actually live in find education system. and there's far more productive and meaningful to the kids who are in school. i can go on and on with his current reality that by the nature of how these policies are tax dollars are being spent. it would be a different conversation if the americans were not as productive in putting money in two toppers and taken a share. that is far from the case. actually many cases, we are providing our fairre share. many african-americans, they pay

the maximum amount of taxes that's required. they do the tax write offs of the expertise impact on the corporations. to give more welfare from system than anyone else. an inner-city additional supports. but we have always said is equality and equity are important. in equity is the injuries of the past. how do we make amends for those injuries of that we canho all be on the same footing. when on same footing now. much of that is in the public policy. >> this is on the republican line . >> mr. johnson, it is a pleasure to speak to you this morning. a few yearsrs ago, there's a project for group of corporations and benefactors got together to raise $50 million and focus on three

underperforming schools in the west side of charlotte and they did everything they could with computers, tutoring and everything. to move the needle. after severaltu years, they didn analysis and figured out that they had not moved the needle very much. one of the things that most people when you talk about project livesay that is the breakdown the family structure. i saw you in the coming of a gorgeous family. you're in the household. the unfortunate fact is that 77 percent of all african-american babies that are born today do not have a father in the household in my question to you is what does the naacp doing. what is the program the two-point ahead of to try to get men to take responsibility of raising the families and the children. derrick: is a great question. what i care a lot is we actually talked about not going up with the father. often times that's in justification for bad public policy.

thanks a better example, on the front end, not really focusing in on how to address the issue. in north carolina, and a system where that offer segregated classrooms with the same amount of instruction in accidents. it is very successful. not only was it so successful, loosing outcomes that were really academically based for they were low income, high income, african-american or white. in that program did well. unfortunately, the program also came under attack. lawsuits and aggressive campaigns. they dissolved the program. in north carolina, program that probablypr last date from ten to

15 years. it was basically school beside prepay a lot before the white black children to be provided less access to a quality instruction. in their environment. so we cannot say these corporations did accident didn't work. let's look at actually worked. ... ...

>> and then try to justify it by the family structure. >> thank you for taking my a question.. i like to find out program for the youth and communities and then the kids go on retreats to have specific programs to occupy the children and also

can he address the training and all of the particular techniques for these programs in the system and thank you for taking myr questio question. >> the naacp and advocacy rorganization we welcome you to go to the website our job is to make it for everybody as a nation we must move away from pointing fingers and to walk in the same direction how to ensure to protectaw our citizens and display the value of the nation for those policies we are implementing do we

continue to live in a nation where divisiveness and to move forward as a nation we can only do that if we take this moment and not review the lessons of the past we have been here before we have seen this before we've seen protest we havetreet before to make a decision with a historical analogy when john lewis went acrosss the bridge to make this union a more perfect union what we go back to the history we have learned that could destroy the nation? >> i will ask everyone to join us in our efforts to make democracy work for all this is

about restoring the dialogue that that they are honest and decree that all men and women are endowed with certain rights and to make sure they are afforded in an equal way. so join us as we fight to make democracy work for everyone. >> thank you for your time e, cod

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