they've created, they have changed the culture of this and you don't see the division that exists in our country right now, it's cheaply being done, it's crazy how you can identify people's political affiliations based on certain actions every day on the internet. >> mike doyle tonight at eight eastern on the communicators on c-span2. >> tonight, special edition of book tv starting 8:30 p.m. eastern with black lives matter cofounder, alisha, she offers her thoughts on organizing and building long-term grassroot movements. elizabeth college religious studies professor, michael long sure collected writings by the

late civil rights leader. later, historian, david. enjoy tv on c-span2. >> joining us from cincinnati, david, the chair of the ohio democratic party, also the author of a new fiction book titled the voter file. we'll talk about that in a moment, let's begin with some of the latest pulling, real clear politics that looks at the average of the bulls in ohio, right now with 18 electoral votes, it's essentially a dead heat with joeoe biden 4 at 46% n average, the president at 45%. why is it so competitive three and half months before the election? >> there are a number of things happening at once and we are a different state, they voted for donald trump. you're seeing a major shift in the suburbs of ohio the just a few decades ago or even years

ago, these suburbs outside of cincinnati and columbus and cleveland, they were the base of the republican party, that's how john would have been elected or even george bush. those are now blue. largely women voters, moderate voters, moderate republic and saying this is not the party we were part of their voting blue for state house seats, sheriff brown, they voted for democratic players and council members and they're not going to vote for donald trump in november so if you take away the old b base of republican party and it's now voting democrat which it is, it makes ohio a much tougher state for republicans. that means they have to run up the score the rural parts of the suate that the large suburbs the large box so the republicans lost their old base and the second thing the ohio economy is already struggling. 2019 wasli our worst year 2009,

between january between 19 and 20, we lost jobs, construction, manufacturing, farm bankruptcies highest in the decadence of the president's policies in the trade stuff and brokende promiss were already impacting them in a negative way including the places where he did well in 16th because he was told he would fight for them. no clear example he told was going to go, don't sell their homes, etc. gm stepped down, moved to mexico, trump did nothing about it and then blamed the workers work. that's played out in small ways around the state whether it's democratic, which we are, their shifting blue of the economic-- icpolicies working in ohio, thas putting ohio in play. joe biden ends up being a good

candidate for ohio, he could appeal across the state but even before obama was nominated, donald trump is an underwater in ohio for a year. spending millions which is something he would never have wanted to do. they've known they've been in trouble in ohio for some time. this is courtesy of the bulls being released in june and july, biden has a one point lead, two-point lead in another survey. this is a state the president one by eight percentage points in 2016. pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin became states for the president perceived as the google firewall, if you look at past elections, ohio has gone republican in residential election fear. >> obviously all these midwest states are key, we think ohio is

clearly in place and we are not surprised by the pool numbers. in 18, he won by more than he one in 12 when obama was on the ballot. and 18, we flipped seats that had been drawn for republican victories through gerrymandering. we won six of them, sometimes by double digits. that shows how much you're seeing shifting, "that we hadn't one in decades so you're seeing something growing in ohio and in 19, there were some towns in ohio, one on the west virginia border, other rural towns in your, these are towns trump one by 60 or more, in 2019, we ran democratic against the players we beat them so even small towns but it returned from of the economic starts working and

people want to change so they voted for democrats, for the suburbs, small towns or big cities which are more dominated by democrats than ever, there's a lot of momentum here. you've got to run the right campaign to win it but i think joe biden understands this, he's the kind who can run in all parts of the state and he won by more than he did in the blue you're here, we think joe biden is a good fit for ohio come november. >> the next decision, his running mate tomorrow morning, we will ask democrats who they would like to see joe biden's running mate so let me ask you, who would be your first choice? >> here to tell the vice president who to pick, thiss wonderful people on that list. i do think makingnk history whih is very meaningful one other part of his day. i think that would like ohio voters wonderful people who got to choose from.

i will say most of the people on the list have been very good to ohio, have been here a lot. kamala harris had been to iowa a lot. ohio. we know and respect the folks in the list outside of that, i'll leave it to joe biden to make the best choice. i know they are working very hard on that. >> david pepper, chair of the democratic party and other of his latest book, the voter file. explain. >> explains the book? >> yes. >> in addition to my day job, my goal in life, try to write these fiction books to basically entertain and inform and a lot of my books are passing into the real issues affecting policy the dark money that hurts our system, gerrymandering and voter

files takes the same approach. basically talking about, there's a lot of talk about what happened in 2016. e-mails were hacked, we know that. polling data was taken and then you will see casually mentioned voter data may have been taken and what this bookpl does is explain the risk involved if foreign forces were able to get their hands on voter data, the database voters, campaigns use to inform the way they campaign, it's the game plan for the end of the campaign, that would be a huge heist that could really make a mess of politics is a fictional book but also emphasizes when you see this discussion of e-mails or poles or voter files, the voter data now available is the crown jewel of the campaign in this books

walking into the worst case scenario if someone were to do that but the book tries to get into other key themes, even though we talk to presidential race, 2020 is the year we have statehouse races all over the country. the s statehouse races matter because whoever wins those will draw the district line for the next decade. gerrymandering of our legislatures in our congress has been one of the biggest things in politics is made things so partisan, so divisive and dysfunctional so yes, we have to focus on the presidential race but don't not pay attention to your local statehouse races because if you carry about gerrymandering, who you elect and the statehouse will determine if we continue to have a system rate gerrymander mass.

the other key factor in a state like ours, our supreme court races, the state supreme courses are also going to be determining if it's valid so hopefully has good reviews, some good page turners but there's also some real discussion about issues i think people really care about. even though i'm a democrat, i try to write my books in a way that republicans also enjoy them, so for those of your viewers were going to call for republican eyes, don't let the fact that i'm a democrat scare you off from buying a book that i think you'll enjoy. >> it's the third in a series, his day job is the chair of the democratic party in ohio. spend a moment to read to you in the audience with robert fuller, his writings in the washington post of the headline, roger stone remains a convicted felon and rightly so. he writes the following, russia's actions were a threat to america's democracy, it was

critical that they be investigated and understood in late 2016 from of the fbi had evident the russians signal to a trump campaign advisor that they could assist the campaign to the anonymous release of information damaging to the democratic candidate, hillary clinton and fbi news the russians had done just that. he went on to write, we have a detailed picture of russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election, directed in our election. hacking and dumping clinton campaign e-mails and online social media campaign to disparage the democratic candidate. waterstone became a figure in our investigation, communicated in 2015 with individuals known to us to be russian intelligence officers and complained wikileaks release of e-mails stolen by the russian intelligence officers. is this from the washington

post, the jury ultimately convicted of obstruction of investigation, five counts of making false statements to congress and tampering with a witness because his sentence has been committed. he will not go to prison. his conviction stands, made every decision in jones case as in all of our cases, based solely on the fact in accordance with the rule of law, women and been conducted these investigations and prosecutions active with the highest integrity and robert mueller concludes sink claims to the contrary are false. a >> i'm glad you spoke out, i don't know mr. fuller at all but i wish he been speaking out more since they took his report. i'm glad it's here with the president did as nancy pelosi

said, appalling corruption, this is someone who had the goods ont trump, this wasn't about helping a friend, this is aboutms helpig himself and abusing the process for his own benefit. i just saw in the way in that roger stone isn't even eligible to have his sentence commuted until he shows up to prison trump said that even before that. this is one other example ofe corruption and i'm glad mueller spoke out. i'm glad mitt romney spoke up. i'm glad to me spoke up. i'm glad their waiting to say not talk aboutll it. i commend the senators who will, a badge ofaw honor for those tw. they are willing to speak out against corruption, everyone should. this was all something adam schiff said would happen when he was pushing the impeachment case and senators then, through albicans except mitt romney

ignored him, did nothing and lom and behold it's exactly what was predicted so i wish i was shocked by this, i am not. i'm glad romney spoke out, help others do as well. getting back to themn beginning about the election, one reason i think it's important that we don't try as democrats, went by a couple of electoral votes that we should turn many states blue, ohio, florida, arizona, georgia, we need to send a message that the corruption and divisive racist stuff we are seeing from trump, this is not america. we will want to send the message by just a couple of electoral votes, we want to send it so loudly and clearly the world sees wow, america did reject this guy. hopefully we send the message so loudly by winning decisively in

so many places, the republicans who been afraid to speak out until now because they don't want to retweet donald trump like he did today, there will be more of getting voted out of office by people who know this stuff is nonsense and currently of donald trump. my hope is that this is not a time for democrats and republicans who know better were joining of the project, independent who know is not who we are to join together and send the loudest message and the way he do that is you win big, you campaign everywhere, 88 counties in ohio, 56 in the country and you run up the score so this era after november is over and we start looking forward to hopefully the actions we saw about roger stone this is just one, he's literally coming his

nose at the country by doing this. i can't imagine his own advisors told him do this, he does it anyway, he knows most of these senators will let him do anything you want because they didn't just go along with impeachment, it didn't go along with what he did, they didn't just look the other way, they literally voted to cover up evidence, there was saying to trump, you can do whatever you want, we will cover it up and life for you. my hope is that we look at all this, he's rubbing our noses with this nonsense that we look at this and decide november 3, sweep him out so decisively that never again will someone behave in this way is n our leader showing the whole world what we have become. >> you mentioned go big, that's the subject of the piece this morning, this is headline biden is urged to make a play, states. joining us from cincinnati, we

have a line for ohio residents. he mentioned the president treat this money, in case you missed it, to rhinos, referring to grow organs only, mitt romney, have any problem with the fact that we call obama, biden and company illegally spying on my campaign? the care with the whole group ran rampant wild and unchecked, lying and leaking all the way? no from thepa president. >> thanks for taking my call. just wanted to speak about the fact that he had no legal background whatsoever. power, power. he's got lots of money, he always wanted to be president he's a president. in hose own words, i want to be like kim jong un in.

he loves vladimir putin. people needs to open their eyes. he's no leader, he's just about power. the entertainer, megan traynor, she had a song out, i know you're lying, your lips are moving, it's all about donald trump. people need to realize that. >> this is him in cleveland, ohio. >> women are going to go, we are trapped in our homes with our children, we don't have childcare and we are forced to work full time from home while taking care of our children in managing our household. i'm wondering if you're still

counting on women to shift through and how you're going to keep us mobilized and engaged because i think, i need to make sure you're still counting on us. >> did you hear that question? >> i did. let me start with tim, i do think donald trump shows true autocratic dependency, it's clearly his instinct. the people he seems to admire the most are autocrats, his instinct whether it an attempt to shut down books coming out or ignore the judicial system and think his argument that his own nominee to the supreme court rejected the other day was basically that he should be treated about the law so he has those tendencies and i think it's very clear but here's what i would say in terms of our history of the country, the founders would say we expected of president to think that way.

that's what they wrote the constitution to protect against. i would say yes, we actually thought that might happen and they wouldn't be shocked by a president who has these terrible tendencies that we need to vote out of office. i think the founders would be more shocked by the behavior in congress to not do anything about it. i think they would say we gave the balance of powers, we gave levers of power to the senate and the house to stand up when a president behaves in a way that we feared may happen. i'm even more appalled that the republican in the senate and the house, the jim jordan, won't do anything about a president whose showing exactly what tim said. the problematic president is something our founders thought might happen and i think they would be more shocked and stunned that the people whose job it is to take an oath of the

constitution, to the independence, they are violating the oath when they cover up for the president during the impeachment trial as opposed to actually holding him accountable which is the job. think they'd be even more appalled by the silence amid all things happening. i agree it's a problem and the best solution before the election would be a senate and house that actually did their job and stood up to it. that would make it go away quick. women are saving our country. in ohio and across the country, it's the energy of women we saw from the women's smart a few days after the inauguration in two women running for office, i talked about our wins in ohio and 18, most of those pickups were women candidates. as of the pickups in the u.s. house when we select in the power there were women and the

supporters that voted them in for more women so yes, women are powering. i mentioned the suburban shift, it's being driven by women. some men, too but more like women so obviously, you better be talking to women all the way to the election until the end. ... mike dewine here in ohio who did a good job, by the way, initially in the way he reacted to the pandemic but he rushed to reopen and we are seeing the cost now, the spike is happening here. he rushed to reopen and said okay, everyone back to work before they had a child care plan. what does that say to women who are having to make this impossible choice between working and their kids. i think that the long-term we

have to do -- the public side has to do a much better job of thinking through all the public support systems that support families and working women, single women, before we say to them, go back to work and start doing this again. this has to be much more of a worker driven bottom-up driven mindset as to how to safely reopen then it has been where it's been from the top down and i think that is but people, women, families, working families, workers in general and a very tough position and we are seeing it now on the school's reopening. the school reopening is being pushed from the top without any conversation with teachers and staff of schools about how you could actually do it in a way that would be safe so i think a lot of these decisions are coming from the top down and i think we will continue to have

to go backwards because i think that approach is making one mistake after the next and the childcare situation was a perfect example of that. >> were talking to david pepper, current chair of the ohio democratic party. previous lee served on the hamilton county commission and former city councilman in cincinnati. a graduate of yale, both undergraduate and law degree. emma is joining us from pineville, ohio which is located where? >> hour and a half away from columbus, ohio. >> host: good morning to you emma. >> good morning. my question is will they ever put a time limit on how long these people can hold seats like pelosi? that 90 -year-old woman that is a judge, i think there should there should be a time limit for exceeded theirs. >> host: i assume you are referring to ruth bader ginsburg but who is 86 bit but i get the point. should there be term limits or

caps on how long you can serve on the supreme court? >> guest: i don't think there should be. i think we have seen over the years the justices when they felt like they were unable to continue chose not to but one thing about the law and i say this as a lawyer having clerked for a judge is one good thing about the law is we all know you get wiser with years and that is one area where as long as you are strong mentally in the mid- 80s you may be a much wiser person than you were in your 40s. i don't have a problem seen ruth bader ginsburg who is frankly, incredibly resilient fighting to health issues. >> we go live now to capitol hill birdhouse: scaredy subcommittee is holding a virtual hearing on oversight of ice detention facilities during the coronavirus pandemic. >> coronavirus cases continue to spike nationwide we must ensure