looks like you just because they don't share your power. host: thank you for having conversations this morning on a program with our viewers. we do appreciate that. rob: absolutely. host: for viewers to want to learn more about rob smith . his book is "always a soldier". his folks person for turning point usa . can follow him on twitter. rob smith online. usa to come is the website . thanks again . rob: thank you so much. >> you are watching book tv on c-span to the top nonfiction books and authors every weekend. tv, television for serious readers. host: welcome everyone. we are with politics and prose bookstore. and were going to discuss his book "hatemonger". and before we get started that one to do some quick housekeeping. the first is tonight's book is

located in the chat. there's a link to purchase it from politics and prose bookstore's website . to be highly encourage everybody to purchase this book. giving $5 for outreach and were also doing curbside pickup targeted the other thing that i would like to draw your attention to is the latter portion of tonight's event is dedicated to your audience questions . and to ask a question from the screen they talk to the bottom of your screen . you click on that and type in your question. will try to get to his many of those as possible. there is a check for you guys but if you could keep all of your questions in the q&a, makes things a little bit easier. so with all of that of the way, is my honor to introduce jean guerrero, and invesco dave reporter contributing to mtr, the is our and their public media. in the other of the cross for memoir . and she's an enemy in a

series of america's wealth. tonight shall be trusting are book, "hatemonger" and donald trump and the white nationalist agenda. it's at the expense of stephen miller. two of donald trump's chief advisers. miller was outlasted many of others in the trump, and help from the fear speech to the muslim band, the family separation policy of the border. miller's only the coolest and most invested moments of the trump era. in conversation with jonathan, he set the new yorker and also won the 2019 education reporting for american studies . mr. about an underground school for undocumented immigrants. reporting also appeared in the new york times the atlantic of the nation .

jean: hi everyone. thank you guys . think everyone for being here . and thanks for moderating freedom so it excited to talk to you about this book. host: likewise and congratulations. this is a major undertaking. there's so much to say. so let me jus. and i have a few ideas for how we might kinda move through the conversation to kinda capture the full sweep of what you've done here in the book. but before we kind of marched through the miller's biography, i want to ask one kind of general sweeping question . on the assets . may help to serve to orient people if they're listening. and then follow . stephen miller this point is known to everyone.

he's not a kind of retreating personality. he's notorious for all sorts of things . is been involved in the most controversial policies . is kind of enthusiastically and pride xenophobic. all of this stuff. people are seen him on tv. people are used to seeing him raising his voice and my question to you is what you think the general public at this point in the media and its coverage of him but we all misunderstood. what aspect of his personality is thinking are the least well understood given his outside public persona. jean: i would probably start with the fact that he has a lot or had a lot of friends who perceived him to be really

funny. he has this layered personality is not really captured in a lot of places where he's just sort of detected as the architect of trump's anti- immigration policy which very much as . but in the book i thought it was important to also show how he has seen by his friends . many of whom point out that in many ways was normal teenager growing up in southern california. he was into reality tv shows. he really loved elvis pressley and mobster movies. he was dressed up as robert de niro's, mobster character. that's a totally normal but just eccentric works that he had which made him appear to be very funny. to a lot of his friends.

if stephen miller, is obsessed as he has become with his insight immigration agenda, he is for very long time in his life, was capable of having friendships with people who do not necessarily agree with them. he has this ability to be civil you don't see coming across being very competitive in his interviews with journalists. he is able to be laid-back and to be able to be civil and there were a lot of people new kind found him to be funny. because they thought what people thought he was joking. twenty minutes a these outrageous things . when race was our figment of of our imaginations. they thought incentive joking . and then we joined that trump campaign they began to realize that this mission had become inseparable from his identity.

in his self perception . he really became fully consumed by his insight and aggression hostility. what i see is true case study and radicalization are happens when someone exposed to extremist ideology at a young age slowly becomes consumed by it. and eventually becomes the most powerful advisor in the white house. jonathan: is a fascinating point indefinitely it is sort fallen out of the popular imagination . will miller is concerned where we seek . but there is a big personality there. from one of his friends, quote just quoting from your procure, miller's friend from a believe school says to you, but they are saying about him go about miller is directionally accurate. i would just say that i think

stephen in reality is probably two thirds of what you see of him in the media. then whatever scale you're thinking, in reality is probably a six or seven if you read him as a temporary how surprised were his friends. you spoke with they became the figure that he did. obviously by the time you got in touch with him, is very much in the public time. they describe feeling to you sort of shocked praye. this shocked them are obsessive. the guy give you the schools, . self reflective about women to him to be friends with miller. so did seem like there were some soul searching among his friends . speech of he told me he was

very concerned about stephen miller at one point . when he was watching him start to get really a lot of national attention on the truck campaign and in the white house as well. it would watches friends a national tv on cnn and things like that . battling and he started to get concerned. what would happen if long-term but this could mean long-term for stephen miller's career . at one point his friend, called some of it says are you sure this is something that you want to be doing. are you sure this is right. in stephen miller said yes he was sure he wasn't worried. he began his friends, nor surprised they came into a position of power because they know how disciplined and hard-working he has been in very ambitious. in high school he was appearing on talk radio programs.

and being on national television while he was in college. so they were surprised, his friends who knew him well were not very surprised by his rise to power. there were some of them who expressed to me they were concerned but this would mean for him long-term because it was coming off as so such a villain. an amenity entered media. jonathan: that's very interesting. let's talk about the question of geography to begin with. the early chapters in your book, were smartly dealing with california. mostly in the '90s but some in the late '80s . their work california's estate with a staging ground for some of the ugliest and most anti- immigration politics. i wonder how much that shape the miller the we'll know.

so much of his childhood is defined as being this contrarian conservative in a community of liberals. but of course there plenty of conservatives nationwide. but it seemed to me the california basically where he grew up in california, santa monica had a different kind of flavor. repeat who he is now if he hadn't grown up in california. tell us about that . speech of from my reporting of this book is clear the california played a sinful role both in the brand of conservativism that he has. very reactionary combative conservative ideology that incorporates the language of the left into it. incorporating the language that liberals normally use . and using it against them. this notion of oppressive elites. being used to describe the democratic party which is normally used to describe

republicans. so the reactionary component where he uses a lot of the tools of the left and also is very competitive in a way that reflects having grown up as a person who ideology was an minority being in the city in which he grew up in high school in which he grew up. but the other aspect is this is kind of what drew me to the story of someone who grew up in southern california at the same time as stephen miller just a couple of hours of where he lived. i remember that it was this unprecedented anti-immigrant hostility statewide in california. and i remember there were attacks on affirmative action and attacks on bilingual education. there were attacks on social services for children of undocumented migrants.

there is really this wind is spread statewide scapegoating that happened in that era. california's beginning to, both democrats and republicans begin to blame on the problems, the state fiscal problems, the crime problems on immigrants. it's truly a microcosm there was a microcosm for what we are saying nationally today as far as the white fear backlash on the resurgence of the white supremacist ideologies. california, christine miller brooklyn white people became the minority for the first time in the state. and were heading into that nationally. as i believe kind of nationally going through the same growing pains that california underwent for it is stephen miller couple growing up he was listening to this. i believe he was internalizing a lot of it. race wrist rhetoric. even me, as the daughter of a

mexican immigrant . puerto weekend mother, a much internalizing these same associated with being mexican. mom used to say, your american not mexican. not puerto weekend coming american . so i felt that i could bring my perspective as somebody who could relate to someone who was internalizing these fears. but it's really his desire to be seen with all of the privileges to guarantee to the book. an approach it with an open mind. they want to come into it vilifying him. i came into thinking that maybe he had been understood. and really trying to understand him. just by the environment which he groped, his central role in my book. and turning that into a character. he was listening to rush limbaugh who is now is a huge talk radio host. at the time, was less well-known

. but he was broadcasting and out of the state . against multiculturalism and . much painted white men as a principal aggrieved party in american saying anyone else who complains have lacked self reliance but te white men are allowed it to complain about anything . stephen miller was listening to this and really he talks about reading rush limbaugh's books inviting him to be among the most formative in his life. and even though he's a descendent of jewish refugees . his associates with white men and white tennis. jonathan: on ask about this. real revelation to me reading your book. his father seem to be have a major factor for stephen and his childhood to begin to shift the sense of identification and comes from a family of jewish

refugees to identify with this white minority under siege. tell us about his father. he must've, he began telling of a moderate democrat who at the time, for personal reasons. conflict of person . series of lawsuits, with partners and family and that since of equipment, while very personal, ended up maybe for stephen, being that escape wagon to a broader sense of rage and anger. tell us about his father . speech of soap is data, this is when his father start to rail against the ridiculous liberal elites . missing him start to express conservative viewpoints what is real estate company is falling apart reading getting sued by his fought brother and former law firm. and unsuccessfully and having

all of these bankruptcies that he was dealing with and being forced to move from a very affluent part of santa monica to slightly smaller positive for diverse area. and we see the shift is going, this and you start to see the shift and stephen miller himself. and going around and one thing is he had to go to santa monica high school which is very diverse public high school where his younger brother would later attend mostly white private high school. since stephen miller finds himself displaced and feeling angry feeling like he has lost his place in line. this is when you see him breaking up with his mexican friends and telling him that he cannot be friends with someone with the latino heritage. when you see him going around school telling his mexican classmates to go back to their countries and going to school board meetings to really gets

measures to improve racial equity. really expressing a lot of passion about these issues that you don't normally see a teenager getting that riled up about. jonathan: is positive, i was shocked by this parallel to the current president. and obviously miller's current spot. his father interned real estate of all things. he was an attorney . and that also, it was hard kind of thing to the present moment . speech of his father's describe me as being very tough like rated very combative, court documents, described him as a masterpiece of evasion. and manipulation. a lot of language to qc describe trump his business dealings. and from the people that i spoke with, they believe the people who know stephen miller believes step are the reason again he

gets him emotionally, psychologically and spiritually because he grew up in similar family to donald trump. not with just what we talked about the losses in the bankruptcies with his dad but you know, stephen miller for general uncle god permanently separated from his family the no contact order. in a settlement agreement . and deprived of most of the family inheritance. so very much like what we see mary trumps, donald trump's niece . a lot of very striking parallels join the family to help explain donald trump's attraction to stephen miller and part of the way these men can mutually understand each other. in the drive. jonathan: i want to get people for watching and listening in a little flavor about some of this might've sounded like at home for young stephen miller listening to his father.

this is from an interview that you did for stephen's uncle. his mother's brother. some people will know in the figure is written publicly about his frustration with the term his nephew is taken. and here's david, his uncle describing stephen's father. he says that stephen's father was a traditional economical republican new over the years became more and more bitter overregulation, when he felt was the intrusion into his personal business affairs . in what he calls ridiculous liberal elites on the west coast around california. he was convinced that the american universities and colleges were dominated by the extreme left-wing political view of the world. you read a passage like that in your book and that could easily be a description seems to me as stephen. you yourself taken by some of

these parallels . did you know about some of this going in. as someone who is reported 11 stephen miller, have to say that this was really a total revelation to me. so i would love to know a little bit more about how this came interview for you. jean: stephen miller kind of had this meant that he perpetuates the menu that he comes from a democratic family and the temps turn them into conservatives. from the court documents that i founded, the relatives, it became clear that he did not invent this ideology his family. a large party came from his relationship with his father. and just reading or hearing you read about that remind me of how similar stephen miller's fathers, it's hard to the comments of david horowitz and jerry eventually, meets stephen miller during the time in his

life and really indoctrinate him in the idea that schools are thg indoctrination's machines and tr contributing to the destruction of america because the democratic party is selling itself with muslims and other people of color who are according to horowitz posted exit x potential threat to america. in this fantasy that it has saved the country from some kind of apocalypse that david horowitz perpetuates. he nurtures a young conservative like stephen miller through his school for political warfare. and trains and to attack with the language of civil rights. and to launder this idea through the language of heritage and economics in the language of national security. and that white men created

everything that we hold dear in america is from a quality to freedom which in order to play a central role to people of color played in history and obviously historical but appeals to stephen miller at the young age. i just ended up taking over his life. jonathan: absolutely. a lot of questions for you. i'm also tempted to best one final push about miller's childhood. so before we dive in sort of headlong into the horowitz stuff. which is obviously so importance. makes a lot of sense to me to connect up with the way the his father's effect was . this actually struck me. someone once told me, someone who works with miller once told me in response to a question i

had about what animated miller's racism towards immigrants. how that could be explained. a person said to me, that miller and this was a direct quote . that he sees democrats in particular refugees and asylum seekers is radical. that was the quote this person gave me. i thought about it bit reading your front because there is one formative experience that you already alluded to. but i wanted to hear the bit more on its . which is the miller family moves during stephen's childhood . basically from a kind of january deep describe comfortingly wealthy on flight in santa monica to one that is a little bit more racially and economically diverse . seems real come down for the millers. i don't wonder how much some of the views he has towards immigrants also has this kind of class conscious overlay.

it was this something that struck you having dug into his childhood that you have. jean: that's an excellent question. i do think it is very tangled up in this racism in the sense of elitism. in classism. ... ...

>> and causing people to see trump is the only person who can fight against these elites. >> one of the things is a striking that is the culmination of the strands of the childhood and all the

things you are describing? and one big question that you mentioned david horowitz and you describe him so well but and try to turn the language against the left and miller became a quick study. you quote a friend of miller's and college who says some people want many - - money, power, influence, women , and some don't know what they want. and he wanted enemies and went out and got them. the reason i bring this up in particular because at what point it seems like miller comes to the ideology?

so for many of these years, even for the most part with his college experience what animates them is the trolling sensibility going straight for the jugular. but i'm wondering if there is the ideological worldview? that is practical as a policy platform. and when that starts to take shape does that happen later? when does he make the conversion to policy ideas? >>. >> it enough there was a clear turning point. and began to realize to gain attention and power and slowly starts to become more

ingrained to become more invested and is less able to question himself or in a laid-back way. and that duke university there was a duke lacrosse scandal when the stripper accuses the players of raping her. the charges were dropped but stephen miller repeatedly was defending the players and targeted only because of their skin color. and then it was confirming for him that he was right all along in these believes that the only real racism in

society is racism against whites as a stigma of your imaginations. so when he got national tv attention and decided he was right all along with the duke lacrosse scandal that is ingrained in their character. and then to land on the trump campaign and in the white house. and there is a big part that believes that truly protecting

americans from a grave threat in the form of too many brown and black people. so stephen miller would say it has nothing to do with race or skin color but when you connect the dots where he draws the policy and rhetoric with the white supremacist literature, it becomes very clear what is motivating him. >> there's no denying he is extremely intelligent and a quick study. and i know immigrations want to hear the said with all the messiness of the travel ban and the controversy of family separation. ed it does have to be said

that miller is wildly successful. how does he hit the ground running when he hits the trump administration? those who should be out gunning him in every sense. that he manages to force through whether foreseeing through regulations on public charg charge, he's working the bureaucracy. >> i want to say he gets the karl rove treatment and not a mastermind and then part of his discipline and work ethic

and to be so skilled at regurgitating the talking points. and a great skill for memorization. and throughout the trump campaign because of his relationship with david morrow it's from the e-mails that i obtained you see him feeding explosive talking points that you would see trump regurgitate later. and insisting on radical islam terrorism. and from those e-mails for a wits sent days strategy paper with fear and other hostile emotions to rally people around the agenda.

so there is the strategy within the white house and has a great relationship with donald trump because he helped him get the border patrol endorsements. and it cemented the some matters on - - the status of the key player. stephen miller is comfortable to be in trumps shadow. he never gets ahead of him. steve bannon is obsessed with media attention. and while he is always tried to work and the background as a devoted vehicle that he can

always get the credit for whatever success they are experiencing. stephen miller repeatedly found ways to bypass the bureaucracy reaching into department of homeland security pushing an agenda with that political agenda which that was made into a reality. >> it has been described to me that guided dhs leadership. and then he replaced wholesale.

and then this is from the omnipotent. and obviously to rely on a group of co-conspirators and also exploits with the apathy and lack of interest. and then can drill down because they have their attention divided. food we need to know about to understand miller and miller's success? >>. >> and then working with the department of homeland security with the anti- emigration agenda.

and then to draw from the ideas of other people and for those who used to be allies because to have sole control over the anti- immigration agenda and pushing those that were effective to implement as well. and stephen miller decided he was taking too long to pursue that. and has be come being the number one expert on this issue like and coulter who would respond now we are angry

about it that he pushed so many restriction asked out to have control. largely with a core group of people who are young like himself. >> two final questions. >> given the expertise and then to come up with a list of the last four years what would you say are the highlights? and with that first-term to say he's done?

>> and to reengineer the demographics of this country and from the very beginning crack down on the refugee admissions. slashing to historic lows. and with refugee admissions tiled to his relationship with a large portion are muslim coming from muslim majority countries so that it poses some kind of threat to america push stephen miller to the reputation internationally as a beacon of hope and refuge and dismantled the infrastructure that took years to rebuild if ever.

and has succeeded very well to obliterate refugee admissions. >> the other thing miller has done is obliterated from the us-mexico border. and to expand border patrol the ability to keep people detained and the poor people no longer prioritizing trying to keep everyone detained with a deterrent strategy to make people want to come here.

and then that was struck down as a policy and has the intended effect traumatizing hundreds of families and those that are permanently traumatized and with a show of cruelty to show more family immigration from central america. and with the protocols with a force asylum-seekers waiting deportation to mexico and now what we see in response to the pandemic to turn everyone away. the main accomplishments are the target of people fleeing violence for the refugees and then go through a long process to come here which is

completely obliterating access to that. >> with policy levers to change the racial composition and then to enter the country. and definitions is that his identity or worldview? and to be more forthright to the extent he is white nationalist with racist ideology? >> yes.

he would deny he is a white nationalist. but it's much harder for him not to deny he implements the white nationalist agenda. and through those people and with a population control for the nonwhite people because the way they suspended these organizations believe in genetic superiority of whites and it has to be a majority white country. and that speaks to the tie between classes amend racism i lost my train of thought.

>> no no no. >> o the white nationals. >> and angie allow those ideas to spread by not calling it wide it is. with heritage and economics. and i call the book hatemonger because i didn't write this to say that stephen miller has hate in his heart against muslims i cannot tell you that. refraining to use those terms

and can't tell you what is in his heart and has been inciting hate and then to rally people around his anti- immigrant agenda. and with that aspect of everything that he does. >> i hate to say that's a nice note to end on. it is terrifying that deal with me for one second.

>> is miller more powerful than kushner? also i will be digging for other questions. where does miller fit in the hierarchy? >> ntc is a most powerful advisor and stephen miller holds more sway over trump because trumps primary goal is to be reelected in november. and then the reason he one in 2016 and if he wants to win again in 2020 he has to lean heavily on stephen miller to trust him. from the very beginning of his time in the white house, he was working on using

demonization to support his policies to create an office dedicated to those issuing press releases. and this language were to rally support has something that has proved very useful so far. immigration has been a central agenda and may be expanded a little bit more than what we see now with going after antiracist protest. >> with the attack by the synagogue and pittsburgh of

tree of life and even with miller's own view is that any impact on his role in the administration? any thoughts on that? >> i don't know for had an impact on him. but with that shooting with the reaction toward confederate flags and telling breitbart to attack amazon for selling those shade guevara flags and then being very offended of the attacks on confederate symbols. and numerous shootings have evolved this idea so the idea

of white genocide with the white supremacist book in this book that stephen miller read and was promoted by breitbart. very interesting parallel between what white terrace say and the ideas of stephen miller that is pushing in the white house. >> what role do you see stephen miller playing in the post trump world? where does he go? running for public office? >> initially he wanted to be a senator. that would be a prosecutor for a little while but his career

took a different path so it is possible he would run for office somewhere so stephen miller will continue to have a community is just a question if they will be relegated in november or not. >> cares a question from someone who points out they may seem a little historical there have been other commissions who over the years have advocated for fewer illegal immigrants this goes back to the seventies and eighties and nineties sometimes prominent democrats when the electorate looked

different on immigration issues. what is the basis for calling miller and trump anti- immigrant of that historical flirtation by a number of people restricting immigration? where does miller depart in that direction? >> he has taken it to the unprecedented extreme is important to point out what they invented that trump and stephen miller are the logical income of a decades long bipartisan assault at the border.

and that we see now and then with criminality in people's minds by only bringing up immigration talking about national security this helps them do what they are doing today this is what i tried to show in the book we cannot reckon with the forces of stephen miller and trump if you don't like at the movements that propelled them. >> looking at aircraft what was it like to report the book? at the time they are demonized

what was your experience like what type of roadblocks? >> it was an interesting experience people who were close to miller who told me they were very afraid they made a mistake by talking to me and miller would come after them many were scared to speak to me because he is notoriously vindictive. so that was a struggle to navigate that is a journalist and figure out how to protect people and provide important information.

they tried to immerse myself and the literature and to get inside his head in addition to interviewing 100 people who knew him and looking at the court documents and what makes the sky tech. >> in prior to the trump administration with border issues and immigration so from that personal anecdotal perspective have there been changes wide it feels like over and above absolute humanitarian horrors?

so professionally do you feel the landscape has changed? >> it makes me all the more careful because you don't want to get anything wrong. because there is a tendency to go after journalist to discredit them and so i hired a fact checking team to go through the manuscript to make sure i wasn't making a stupid mistake. no matter who was in the white house but i feel there is the added sense of needing to make sure everything is bulletproof because you can come under attack personally. and i then to my family.

and with that raising phenomenon and find ways those that are becoming and increasing concern. >> here's a good question from chris leonard given all the reporting you have done that have influenced stephen miller what might have been in trouble one - - trump loses in november what if the movement depended on him? would that retain any power in government if he would leave office? >> that's a great question. it exist independently of trump and why he came to power.

i do believe if trump loses in november that over time and then nationwide we see the same thing in california because they will become a minority and there is allied of white fear and anxiety to the quote the browning of america but in california to become the diverse place no third world take over people celebrated multiculturalism and those that would become mixed and then with those ways of being to see tribalism die

down nationally and i'm not sure if that will ever go away. >> so one final question towards the end that the pandemic allows the trump administration and to do all sorts of things. in the name of public health and i wonder given what you know miller is thinking and maneuvering in the white house and how it has changed under the weight of miller's pressure so what gives you concern?

and with that pandemic stuff marching a hand on immigration policy what should people pay attention to? >> obviously anything impacting people coming from countries and coming from stephen miller but his needs are focused on the immigration and agenda and less so on attacking the cartel that has created a situation to leave americans vulnerable to a range of real threats like the pandemic we are seeing today. resources diverted from fema and this has created a

situation not just immigration policy that is a central concern but the broader national security concern with that extremism and ideology impacted the economy as a whole from focusing on distributing medical equipment and let's suspend the green card access to protect american workers based on the idea they steal american jobs are shut down the border because people are getting a sick. it's bigger than the immigration question but what are the policies for immigration reform recommended in the blueprint that was adopted almost verbatim?

>> i just want to tell people what fair is. >> one of the policies he hasn't yet pushed through or made a concerted effort is revoking birthright citizenship as a right so having the right to citizenship. he has criticized it, talk about it, but if we see a second ter term, they will become all the more focused. >> so with just a few more talk about birthright citizenship and even to come up before they toe the line in

very recent history but there is a roadblock because presumably congress continues to exercise its function so right now we live in a moment where congress is complete the dysfunctional how important is that? if congress had been pulling its weight. >> he recognizes a congress unable to do anything it gives a lot more power. going back to his time with alabama senator jeff sessions, stephen miller focused on derailing the reform bill that was being worked on in 2013.

and to create a wedge issue not just based on their skin color but political ideology. and it's very important for stephen miller and we have to see how things change over the next few months if at all. >> this just isn't me i am trying to call to the question and comments. >> right now is completely overwhelming follow all of the news the book comes out you meticulously report, what do you hope readers take away at

this moment? and you can answer this question a million different ways but if you had to give two or three broad takeaways how would you describe that? >> if you want to understand the era of polarization you have to understand stephen miller so i hope that my book helps people to get some perspective how we became so divided because it's what he exploited to weaponize and increase for the purposeful demonization any of their liberal allies. that's one of the key

takeaways on how his story is a microcosm for how we got here and second it's important for people to connect the dots using the book as a resource between the immigration policies and the white supremacist so we truly understand it's not about national security or the american economy but changing to make sure america remains majority white country because stephen miller believes that is essential for survival. >> it's been great chatting with you congratulations on the book. i wish you didn't have to write it but i'm glad that you

have i hope everybody goes out to buy hatemonger congratulations. >>. >>

>> the vitriol that rained down on obama and the hatred as the republican legislatures and governors are then going after those in the community

that one doesn't get them this one well. >> the way gerrymandering works. with the black and brown prefix. with operation all voting machines those white communities to get in and get out and what we know from working-class communities demographically most often are. that combination of time in many when you have to stand in

line between five and seven hours to vote you lost a day of pay. that is a poll tax.

>> thank you for joining us for this special event welcoming you to the plot to change america with identity politics is dividing our nation that's why the new book the plot to change america with the true