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have no doubt that this book will add to his work. david is also a fellow alumnus of margaret's mind. "wall street journal" called this -- and a terrific resource and i will tell you my own personal question -- connection with eleanor roosevelt. when my mom was in junior high in the late 40s mrs. roosevelt came to visit a school the bronx. my mother was chosen to escort her through the auditorium to the stage and experience that my mother talked about for the rest of her life. please without further ado join me in welcoming margaret, beth and david. >> dave thank you. you have just proven the point that i wanted to make here to start this wonderful evening and thank you so much for having me. everybody it turns out has some connection to eleanor roosevelt. i grew up in cambridge where you

were aware that george washington had been on the comment in george washington was here and you go around the country and george washington slept here and it was the joke of the 30s. it's not just eleanor slept here. eleanor registered deeply and every single person she met and those memories just as your mothers was for lifelong and stayed with people. i grew up in a household which i thought allen reports that related to me. i thought she was a relative. there was such a sense of her presence. the reason was because my mother worked for eleanor roosevelt. w. c. h. was in its infancy and public television was in its infancy national education television was the primitive version to wear in this story 1/2 generation away from or five years away from other very

tall powerful woman arriving in planar fashionn educational television named jul childs from cambridge massachusetts but right now in 1959 eleanor roosevelt decided that she would have a one hour. month seminar like show that would be filmed at brandeis and brandeis was the pla that she shar a great deal about. she was the board the schlossberg auditorium a perfect primitive tv studio andhere were cables and plywood atforms running all through t in the theater part of the auditorium and the show was shot there. my mother wen every month to new york to preparthe script for mrs. roosevelt trait she picked from her closet one of five identical, n particularly broadway like dresses but more like wh day dresses.

she was very simple inner presentation of the show and my mother's job was to pick what shouldress it was going to be this month to go over the script she had prepared with paul noble the other producer and henry morgenthau the third ecutive producer. in this period i was about four years old when i went one day to the cbo and i remember among my mories thempression i had was of an extremely, of giant actually walking down the corridor and across the cable and all i remember was that somew i was able to set my foot in one spot and another a another spot and move towards this figure and say two words. she looked dow at me and

clearly was out of fruit but she had for me what she had for people who she met in this way. her eyes beam out right as if there was ligh from within. her smile was broad and she was fu of -- of the child asking for a stick of gum and expecting it. she very kindly told me she didn't have, and i don't remember what else she said. the memory is of a sense that i was very close to goodness, tt goodman was was pouring out of the human being in the form of light. this happened to me one otwo other times in my life, one very mongly when nelson mandela came up broadway soon after his release from ireland and his arrival in the united states. by chance i found myself downtown and as i walked toward oadway i realize something was happening and just as i arrived

on broadway there was mandela in a bubble car in a parade in his glance fell to the left of me but i've could see there was thisame phenomenon of goodness appearing as light. i saw it once in an artt when he was looking at something the same kind of attention when it was given as aure love of the subject, the same thing happen strangely at what connected me back to mrs. roosevelt on what will really began this book for me was an odd coincidence i 2001 i was given access to a bament on madison avenue and i dug down into that basement underneath an office building to look for the record from 1950 of the beginning of the peanuts cartoon str light charles schultz, a young cartoonist from

minnesota who had beetrying for number of years to get it started and united tchers syndicate was the national by then syncate that schultz was accepted by and his papers we down there and found schultz at e banker's boxes there to the righ with the hour's alphabetical banker's boxes in the firsone i sawo my left was roosevelt/my day and i just cked up the lid and a magical dust flew into the air as i looked out ang galley in the first description, i had the impression that eleanor roosevelt had written a column and didn't know anything about it at that momento as i began reading a description of starlight from a sleeping por and a fall morning, and early fall morning and t great

hopefulns at theite of the morningstar from mrs. rooselt's porch brought into this first paragraph of this daily column, i felt the same sense of wonder and tension in joy and love and i kind of thought why don't i keep reading this? right then i discovered shilts that i have very strong feelings that this was something that needed to be continued and needed to look more carefully there. that was the beginning strangely on the same spot it turns out i later learned in my research intoleanor and franklin and frklin's mother sara that madison avenue bin where i was had been franklin's mother's house in new york city. that was the house she flew from when b. altman arrived in the neighborhood when commercial,

when the commercial things began to move further uptow that was her moment of escape from 200 madison up to east th. that's where she livedith franklin delano and that's another story. fore he turned it over to margaret and beth to continue our conversation i want to give a shout-out to everyone. i wanto give a shout-out to one of your neighbors said digital and otherwise. my gat assistant eleanor rker and i wanted to shout out my train commuting buddy who i grew up within cambridge massachusetts and she and i used toun to the train in porter square. it was aays, we were always a bit odd on the train where there were very few people and has certified our odd all this that we were taking the train from

porter square to concord and no onelse had been doing that. porter square remains an outer limits. that was very far away from life as i knew it early on and then i began to go to porter square might teenage years so it's a very romantic and heidi -- hily literary locus tt i'm so proud to be part of. marget and beth. >> thawas fascinating and i love your connection to boston. i know you are vy much in new york personnel to understand in the cambridge die-hard and all of us but it's fascinating to hear. i haven appreciated your thorough connection to a partner of ours in a series that we do. as i said i am margaret tcott we have a lot of partners of one of my favorites iporter square bookstore so it's a till to be

at them tonight and at the state library. as many of you kw we had amican ancestors ran this series american inspiration and i can't think of a better pers to be part of the series that eleanor roosevelt. shend her family were such a looming lee large figures in american histo and eleanor paicularly isf such an encouragemt. particularly at this te for inclusion, diversity for our great country. she is such a role model and truly inspiring. one particularly bigan of eleanor roosevelt is beth carroll horrocks of the library of massachusts. why d't you start off with the first question? >> first but they apologize for being a little late to join you. my computer shut down. i am beth carroll horrocks the head of spial collections at the state library right in e

massachusetts statehouse in downtown boston and we are a depository of documents and publications and many other things related to massachusetts histor we are very glad to be part of this group tonight. margaret and i have questions for david and we have also compiled questions that came from people wh they registered and wille watching for questions that come enduring the talk tonight. i'm going to start with one questionhat is mostly mine because i'm a huge fan of eleanor's and it also includes questions that came in from other people. he is my first questn. myavorite line in the whole book and there were many, many farite lines wasight up to the dedication page but before the table of contents and its that quote from eleanor that says i felt liged to notice

everything. to me that sentence can apply to everything that happened in e book and everything th shaped her life. i wondered if you could give us some context for that quote and tell us if you agree with mike my talk about it? >> i'm so touched by your thoughts about it because that's an epigraph at i hoped would sound almost as an overture to her life. i used to be an aon copland palachians and i thought o eleanor's great expansionrom her old li, her own love for the country and being part of the whole country. i think her ability to notice her life began when she wasery young and she was something of a survival mechanism, coping mechanism when she was young.

he became sething that i almost was shocked how many people left records of feeling her almost daring somemes at them, her looking so carefully. sometimes and she didn't think someone was noticing her she would look very carefully at them. i don't tnk she missed a thing and i think in one of democracies great principles which is reciprocity which is that everybody counts and everyby's life and feelings, life and rights are equally judged and equally taken into account. i think eleanor'soticing was also extremely democratic and ual opportunity and far-reaching and farseeing. one of the thingsverybody who did meet her or came into contact with her felt about her, they felt seen and i think things seen by someone who comes from the center of the government or the center of

democracyr this center of washington d.c. was a very unusual experience in those days. i think it's more news will now do what i've seen in our mass world in our world for a left pa. i think to no eleanor music -- eleanor was to feel thawas automatic and natural to her. it was nothing, he couldn't take it. it is authentic. he was not then take wish to understand others. i thk she felt after certain point she felt there wasn't anybody she couldn't learn from. everybody she met wh somebody who if she understood them carefuy and on their own terms and began to get a sense of what they were about she would learn something and take it back, sometimes back to the president and sometimes back to the government and sometimes backed angency that might help and sometimes mply backed her own column which you use to reflect

those thoughtof those things you see in others. i have an entire file simply noticing because it was a part of the job description for she changed with being first lady wasn't change being a hum being was. her job was to notice people and notice what theyere really going through. >> that quote meant even more to me when i fish the book than when i first started to thank you for that. >> also part of that sensen this is the word obliged and i was very struck by how obligated she fel to so many people through her life starting with her father. she developed a fundamental capacity to oblige and to live subject to other people's control in her boarding scol in england. she looked after, she looked

after the girls that were there. she looked after her younger brother paul and then she looked after fdr. she had the heart to please mother-in-law and there was a lot of stepping back and obliging that she did. was she just born for this type of service? it's amazing. >> i think i used to tnk of eleanor roosevelt when i was younger as perhaps the do-good of all time or she headed do-gooder quality about her. what began to appear more subtly toe as i was beginning search and beginning to understand her was the wish to do good ande good had a great deal to do with needing to reshape people's ideas about her father who had diein such sgrace as a drunk, as the junkie and someone who i

absolutely dragged through the mud ultimately i his final years and afterwards by people in his own world and by people that s then came across. i think or wish to do good became something that translated into a nd to be useful and if she could be useful she felt she could be loved. if someone would take the care she was giving them and give back to her it became a mission really for her to be the kind of person whose ufulness was eliminating or enligening or would open somebody up or. a sense of awakening. i tnk that never stopped for her and became her transaction. itecame the way she connected. >> we have a number of questions about y she did certain things, fdr's infidelity. did she have feengs?

the service you are talking about has become her capacitys for bayer? >> her willingness to be tolerant wasomething she worked on to understand it herself d accepting the parts of herselfhat she knew she couldn't fulfill another's was an acceptance that allowed her to beolerant and to be tolerant of herself first and then others. it was a struggle that i think she can't. she had to conquer one of her feelings that she understood in herself, she didn't really have a broad range, she was allowed to express ang. she would shut down. if s had a resentment or if she had even a mild pique let alone full-blown, the right to being full-blown angry she was told to go into the bathroom hang her head over the bathtub and cry it out all by herself

and into the tub please, not anywhere else. she was very constrained and i think learning how to respond to people who had hurt her she first knew oy to sulk and turned to the won't be furious to herself and turn it on herself. that kind of self-immolation was very much a part of her early responses. it's the transcendent about that allowed r to finally become obviously the independent man she later became step i step by step. one of the reasons i felt the roosevelt marriage worked out in the long run as a partnership was that she had learned early how to befriend somebody who for instance in the case of not so ch lucy mercer was a rival and was not someone who she would be friends with but people who came to help franklin and replaced

her almost as a surrogate with franklin ricci learned to become part of the family and part of a parael life. thank you. >> many of the people who attend our author talks are very interested in how authors do their work. this eleanoroosevelt biography seem to me like it had a cast of thousands, many with very simila names. thank you by the way for that list of chacters in the beginning of the book. th was very helpful especially the neck names. could you tell us how you managed your research and especially how you kept so many details so well-documented.

>> wl i had a couple of tricks and a couple of real big sales but the trick was at i learned with mcwyatt and have continued ever since. i gave each person of color. franklin waslways blue. every blue index car was franklin and every green was eleanor never. index card was her mom or theodore roosevelt cousin or eodore roosevelt oyster bay cousin. it's a love intere. i don't know why yellow but it worked and white is quotations from oth sources that need to be saved a white index card. those are more akhil as we useful and helpful in rms of keeping things straight at the beginning and you can expand the colors. summerville was an -- allen r.

circuit with franklin and bame purple. purple is for people who are franklin and eleanor people people who were go-betweens. theyere in folders in chronological order. the main principal i learned it years ago when i was dog a profile about his friendship with gucci every single thing that came into his life and was complicated by information thering. internet. he thought globally much of his work was global. he realized the only way to keep ings straight was to fil everything from logic we. every tim you have a piece of information if you put a chronologically into a chronological file of where came into your own life in 2010 and 2011, 2012 you remember it

better. it also wanted t conological file of eleanor's that starts in 1884. every year of eleanor's life is in that chronology. often in that way when you go back to that year he discovered two things need to be put next to eac other and suddenly reveal something. quite often the case. there is a pze bumping up of information that wasn't there in the first pce. there's an answer to the question of index cards. >> a he to have it in my hands in the beginning. it doesn't go into the gat digital soup winds all things come in all things will go. i have a space in that strange than that because of my mother but i know i will end upn the digital rolling stones concert. that's where my

>> is going to endlessly be alive. >> that sounds like fun. i was fortunate in my early publishing career to work for alfred a. knopf jr. and pat would do the same thing with chronology. he kept a chronology of everything and as his adminirative person every folder which was chronological and he had years and years of all the letters he wrote. he would save please give me 1990. >> every person gets a filand it has its own subfile and the people it's verimportant to keep tm coming each of them

separate >> one thing i delighted in part in doing in reading your book was trying to keep all the gilded age family in order. you talk about the osevelt and her marriage and fdr and eleanor being the merging of the oyster bay long island roosevelt who comes fm the quote balance that the familiewere remarkablelanning for centurs. hisother was -- hung out in new york in high society stores. an endless amazing collection of names in new york. if any way to think of eleanor roosevelt. your book is aortrait of new york and it goes down to

washington but she's in new york earl and she moves among new york and as much she tes to get away from that gilded age she's stuck in socty and then the vanderbilts her mother-in-law said t vandbilts might divorce and still him might be -- but the dow and those do not and that the air wing got the library that he shipped home from europe. so these names and histories came back into their lives. >> they are very much the ones at in charge at tt point and magic in general the slightly olr urgent of -- version of great wealth or to what struck me aut new york and i'm so gl you saw the porch of the city and there was so much left on the cutting room floor and helpfully so and thank you ellie

parker again. you help me cut out a lot of th early new york but it was a city, the city she was born into was the city much like thone we are in now tha is absolutely polarized between unimaginable wealth and unimaginableoverty and each new wave of immigrants arrivet the garden andame into the city. the world alomar was going to transcend was the world she was going to be in some ways very commitd to reshaping. so many the things that were reformed that eleor herself and franklin roosevelt reform to the new deal war reforms that help save people who were sick in that city and who did never presentation youot off the boat and people from tammany hall came over an started inging new eyes and bringi you servis so you would do their bidding politically.

you would vote the way they told you to vote becae they brought you i is for a little icebox brought you something. elnor and franklin began to ultimately representhe government that replaced the corrupt mache city of losses and people giving you speal favors to give everybody eql measure in th american dream but also essentially the prosperity that was created with all that wealth that oveook families like eleanor and her roosevelt. they were from new york and she was new york and she acts really kept in bits and pieces about aller life that it wastrange to me and said where y saw the statue of eleanor roosevelt in the great roosevelt monument in

washington d.c. reflecting next to the base in the the new roosevelt monument of the late 90s i guess and eleanor was deliberately shown in that statue without further. she wore furs everywhere. e carried a handbag everywhere. she rived with violets and she always has somethingor you. her courtesies where the courtesy of a civilized woman of her class in time. she never gave those up and she did never worry about being identied or labed accordingly. she simply was who she was and that kind of freedom was a triumph for her ultimately. allowed h to be herself in ways that i think other people like her were uncomfortable with. she never became uncfortable being a woman of her time and place. >> thank you. a wonderful answer. can we do one more before we

kick off the realm of questions? the question that iave is an amalgam of some her peoples as well. in this section tha covers the first years ter fdr's election for presidency i was struck by how similar and this is something you just mentioned a minute ago whom many of the conditions that we are going to write now with the financial crisis losing homes, limited federal aid, the presidential election, climate disasrs and many more things are very similar to what we are going rough right now. the question i how can we use what you learned fm a loner and how she reacted to all of these things to help us through these times that we are going through right now? >> they are two answers off the top my head. one is she certainly made

listening part of the job description of first ly. i think her listening was very deep and it was always sincere d profound listening to what somebody really was thinking and how that might affect the other people itheir lives. it think she was like a doctor. she listened with her back leaning forward. doc jars in the old days used to diagnose the rest of the family to uerstand what kind of illnesses you might have inherid with these diagnoses. she was a diagnose vision to -- diagnostician and wide open to what you'd said without question the ability to sten is the most important thing that she woulsay a thing. the other part is hatred is upon us and has been upon us now for while in a public way and in a way that w unleashed and it takes people by surprise.

eleanor, took me by surprise and shock me to find the kinof hatred that she was subjected to enter public lif starting as a woman a particularly her public life as a first lady. she was absoluty reviled because people realid in the south were jim crow was in the ascendancy in the coup clucks clan put a bounty on her head at one point. she experienced the kind of hatred that you heard a bit about and you heard during the obama yes but is now out in the street impartediscourse. her ability to let that go, to never reacts directly to find a way arod for a way over and away under sometimes grew but i think she was never committed to

winning. she was never committed to making her point be the point that stuck. she was always movg past that and i think moving and letting go moving forward and letting go were the two things that she did most often and that you don't see much of, enough of now. >> thank you. margaret were going to turn to some questions that came in from our viewers. >> i gathered thre of them together that were sent in early and i will get through all three of them. was elean college grad, what was eanor's early education and who influenced allen are the most? i would love you talk a little bit aut her remarkable experience of education and also at the ours are perched

education. he was clearly haunted by -- in a go way b both of them greay formed by their education. ll us more. >> eleor was told by her grandmother that if she were to go to college e would never attract a man. it was that world of tnking that the point of colle was to get your degree and/or simply a few more fine-tuning of the debutante if at all but women didn't go to college in her class. they were not encouraged to. very few did in eleanor's generation although uc law school there were lawyers ultimately from her generaon and women did go to college not the women that she came of age with. she went to boarding school in

england that her aunt, her roosevelt and and anna roosevelt the sister of theodore roosevelt had gone and become the it girl of that era under madam soup that's a charismatic french woman who was gressive in her politicsut to emphasize one thing above all which is thaa woman needed to learn for herself. women,he idea of education at the time was thought to actually be harmful to women's health so young woman might get ideas. e might be influenced by things thatou might need to send her way to someplace someplace if she got too carried away with this education stuff. this is almost radical of the on women of the then aristracy internatiol and americanut particular international who were not being told at home or

to say much of anything. she told them not only must they think for themselves but learn how to speak their mind and carry an argument through and to defend their pt of the argument things that today are natural to a sixth-grader that was disapproved of them for young women 15 and over. eanor went at that scene and stayed with madam soup that. that was more of aense of position almost of a graduate student almost an assistant profesr role where she had things to teach younger girls. she had responsibilities. she was when she bece all her life which was an intermediary going between the authority and others.

she defended various classmates against mam suvette. she took education as a gift and what she learned the she brough back and became a template for her whole life. one of the things e learned that she blamed herself or later which that madam suvette high standards, she hado learn at the table at the schoolow to converse with the gro-up on subjects that she knew nothing about. listening to is being said and picking up the details in coming back with that later in the conversation is that she now knew better were morthan she really did. it's not exactly.

but a way of rejecting things, projecting herself which she learne later to detai she then went back to the book later on and said i'm going to learn from the ground up and not to take this more diplomatic version. she went back to the uted states in 1901 and unfortunately was subjected by her grandmother to the whole rangef debutante coming-out as a society girl, rituals and rites. it wasorrific to her in large part is over oparents. she was orphaned by then and her parents had died. her mother had been in the ascendancy socially in new york society. she had lost her father so every room she went into she was whispere about either as elliott roosevelt's poor

daughter anna roosevelless attractive daughter they would say. she was shamed. she would get a public shaming and the ritual of that world were geared towards free going to play the game of tax-and-spend and being invold and all the dangerous liaisons and the age of innonce kind of tribal rituals and rites. she was such an outsider and her own life had now created i think the theme of you at the long and end am ionnected, where do i fit in so when she met franke when she discovered another outsider and alcohol of the frankliname from the roosevelt of hype park and of the hudson river and had lived a quite magnifict childhood there. it was an isolad childhood. he was an only child and his mother sent him to school late

meaning he had lost three years that his schoolmates that have the laundering andhat world that he had to catch up and was a world where he was considered an outsider. when i met eleanor and fnklin i thought it was part of the meeting of the oddballs because they were usins but they were bo odd among their peers. they were charismatic each of them in a differentay and could be quite dynamicnd magnetic but in the rld at that time they were both the outsider and that was part of their earliest attraction might think. >> thank you. and about her influence, i think it's reading in the book but also meets that cast of chacters. there weren't her life aunts and uncles in this grand, if you've ever seen the magnificent

ambersons which was a family like the halls that was magnificent and now falling dow in industrialismnd as the new world overtakes it but she lived in this house is an ohan on the hudson river that looked as ift was right out of the magnificent anderson and it h in it these aunts and uncles who were who were falling dow the uncles were astishingly the tennis champions i their day. when lawn tennis was just starting and they were the eaiest champions. the odds were the dazzling beauties of the moment at all the magazines. said they were called valentines weren't they? >> and uncle valley was an amateur at your and when uncle valley and uncle eddie doubled

championship in these coats in the 1880s then they moved on to theational championship several years later becau they were doue champions. there was full of all those old passing glory and eleanor was the young rponsible one among a group of now alcoholic out of ntrol, zany a fun. it was not a gothic or horrifng orphan hood. itas more that she saw people falling apart in she learned how to be the almost proxy trustee. she was the one who showed up before. she was the one who showed up at the police station when uncle valley one more time would defend her new york in the tenderloin district in showed up at the station house and the

officer was on the blower and saying someone has to come get her out of here. he was the bane of eleanor's life later on. he was sti carrying on their end uncle eddie, his life also went to seed. she was ve loyal to those aunts and uncles. the aunts did somewhat better than the uncles but it was at the beginng of her taking -- they were displaced peopleut they were displaced people. they didn't know where to go ultimately and it was the owner's job. she buried each of them. she saw them through terrible tragedies. she tookare of their children and. tuitn. she made sure -- the numbers of people and things that eleanor would be writing checks for in

her adult life and the christmas list and the numbers o individuals that said she had a sense of responsibility works toward nareg. that was just personal level loan all the people that applied and h political world. >> thank you. go ahead. >> rgaret were getting close to t end. youant to ask the main questionnd then we will do our final one? >> oh my gosh. there are so many questions. you go ahead with one more and i will do the final. any comments on naming. >> to keep talking because i ve to look for this really quickly.

>> you might be surprised how many people it made that comment when they registered. >> i am eleanor because of eleanor. it's unbelievable. >> hang on one sec. >> i keep him an axe- and my ill on? i keep aanacs on certain things. i began keeping an alman of the things that were named for her her after her in here it goes. a rose, a pne that holds it petals in the cup and amber tipped calla lily, a clock, a cake, as strawberry, a wild west radio pling to a segregated auence in the south, $10 to anyone who can ride eleanor roosevelt for two seconds in the 50s. a shade of luke, a conspiracy,

the ownerlub, a spaghetti strap weing gown, a milukee restaunt innumerable public and votionalchools to college in university of california san diego and an honorary of distinguished educator multiple buildings including a red brick colonial dormitory for women at rhode island college. untless newborns including anna eleanor roosevelt the baby born a trailer for every six, 1939 nth wilmington massachusetts, the american pop music singer eleanor louise greenwich, allen or urge dean born in 1938 after the movie dancing. a femal basset hound in the female ridge back a 200-acre tract of land population 20,003 miles from san juan puerto rico a home home city

town pennsylvania combining the last syllables of her first and lastame, sundown town whites only in wes virginia a lake in use amid a national park that she helped stop with rainbow trout ellington embassies urban housing projects golf crses including t-shaped bunkers and golf course holes especially the the and a 68-yard par 4, 16 poll colin suburban chicago country club in the fourth hole at the rye new york which were called eleanor steve. the bunkers were spread out and i think i mentioned the clock because it's always on the go. that's my naming almanac of elnor. >> that will probably gro why do w do the last question which again as many of them have seen is a combinaon of

questions that came in from people and that is was eleanor appreciated by the public during her lifetime or was her great impact only realized after her death and the second ha of that question i is her legacy still relevant in today's world? >> i think there so much pain in the worldight now that elnor is a figure now greater than ever because she was a person who sought pain in others and tried to heal it and could. i think she had the ability to that. i think her legacy in the world today, her ality to look into you and for you to see her, that connection which sadly we are able to do that in real time anymore is still there for

people when they do connect to her and took her spirit which is local -- global in which became global because it's about human beingsnd finding in seeing humanity and somebody else and taking it into yourself. think when she was alive to things happen. the strangeness that she was nominatefor the nobel use price several times and never given it. as the creat and the chairman and the supervisor of the universal declaration of human rits aocument that attempt to bring basic rights to people and i'llations across the globe and serve as an insument for those rights going forwa. she should have been awarde thatonor but her life was so full of honor i don't do get

tter to her at all but that never took place. itas for her husband's policies for the carrying out of her husband's policies. in her lifetime is she felt beloved i think bpeople. i think she communicated love and admiration to her in public. i think people stopped are freqntly on the street and where she was and she connected frequently with people. she alws gave it over to franklin, her husband, frankl d roosevelt was president of the united states in this the great r leader who did not see the end of the war gave fernandez was decades of widowhood in whh she could sidestep what attention mht be brought to her by saying she was simply carrying out her husband's legacy. that wn't true.

she would deflect when she needed to deflect i think but i think what she wanted always was connection and what she wanted was a belonging and what she wanted was love. i think that she found that impart and yet never wholly. i think her struggles with that d her ability to finally see herself poll manifested at the very end of her life where i thinkhe accepted what she had done was enough and in her final struggles with tuberculosis she was able to say to herself it's just not who i am to languish in fadeaway and a end to lay did the world. would ratr go now and i think thathe and recognizing that she had done what she had been put on earth to do. i think she expressed the kind

of --ell there's my favorite monument. auburn is full of great monuments. arthur schlessinger's greystone appears andhere's a bowtie and great the stone. there are two stones in mt. auburn a husband and a wife. his stone says something like -- daschle love and her son said she tried. i think eleanor tried. i think she tried and i think she succeeded. i think she did finally love than i think she loved finding that from herself primarily was a great struggle. i do think tod when you even rifle throh the digital world of eleanor rsevelt quotes and the inspiration she brings the

ople even by saying no one can make you inferior without your consent, the future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams. these quotes in these ideas are active for pple and they think are brought or word by times like the one we are ving in whe authority is confused as to its role as to how to help and how to bring people into the process i they are alienated. eleanor's main goal i think and a great legacy is to say your government does belong to you but you do have a role to play and it's not just giving to you. it's something you need to give two and ste up and vote. >> thank you. i loved eleanor roosevelt my entire life and after reading your book i loveder even more so thank you for that. and i think porr square

bookstore is going to come back on. >> and david that was wonderful. thank you. >> it thank you so much. want to extend my thanks to all three of you to beth and margaret are coming up with such good questions and i'm sorry we didn't get to the ones we didn't get to talk about but david to you for giving us the tremendous work of scholarship and archival work. i tnk any of us aroun our age you and i are around the same age or older than us she remains the quintessential first lady when you think of what the president'spouse should be like. the one you measure up against this eanor roosevelt and i think this book makes clear why she got to that place and i apprecte your insights into what you might feel that tell us

about the times we are inn now going on with 100 years after the beginning of her husband's presidency. i wore a mite everyone ain that if you click on the bottom but look will be sign by david and thanks everyone again. i'm sorry some people lead problems with the platform but this was wonderful and i'm thankful you joine us.

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