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list of rewards. "wall street journal" called this book superb, new york times with a terrific resource my own personal connection with eleanor roosevelt, my mom was in junior high in the late 40s, she came to visit her school and my mother was chosen to escort her through the auditorium to the stage it's an experience my mother talked about the rest of her life. without further ado, join me in welcoming margaret. >> you have just proved the.i want to make here to start wonderful evening and. thank you so much for having me. it turns out everybody has some connection to roosevelt. i grew up in cambridge, george washington had been on the

comments george washington was here in hugo around the country and there is always the 30s. the owner, to register deeply on every person she meant. those memories, her lifelong and stayed with people. i grew up in a household in which i thought eleanor was related to me that she was a relative. there is this sense of her presence. the reason was because my mother worked for her. wgbh was in its infancy at that time. most television was in its infancy. the primitive version where in is story, four orive years away from another tl powful woman arriving and pioneer fashio on college tevision

right now, this is 1959, eleanor roosevelt decided shead a one hour a month seminar like show that would be fmed at brandeis which was a place she cared a greadeal about. she was on the board. it is a perfect primitive studio there were cables and plywood platfos running through inhe theater part of the auditorium my mother'sob was to go every month to new york to prepare missus roosevelt and pick from her closet one of five identic identical, not particularly broadly like dresses, more like washday dresses. she's very simple in her presentation on the show and m

mother's job to pick dress would behis mon to go overcript she prepare the other produr in this. , i was about four years old when i went one dayo the studio and remembe it is among my eliest memories the impression i h was in motion, walking across and all i remember w that somehow i was able to set my foot in one spot and another in anoth spot and move toward and say two words. he looked down at me and clearly was fresh out, no chewing gum for the young son but she had for me what i think she had for

people whom she met in this way. her eyes seemed as if there was light from within. smile was brought and accepted the gum, i think that was the main thing. she calmly told m she didn't have gum and i don't remember what else she said. the memorys of a sense that i was vy close to goodness. goodness was pouring o of a human in the form ofight happened to m one or two other times in my le. one very movingly, soon after his release from the island and arrival to the u.s., by chance, i went downtown and as i wked toward broadway, realizing something was happening just as i arrived, there was a car in

the parade and it fell to the le of me, i could see there was the same phenomenon of goodness appearing as light. i saw it once in an artist when he was looking a something, the same kind of attention when it was given. attention and love of the subject. the same thing happened and wha connected me back to missus roosevel and will begin this book for me was an odd coincidence that i only realized later, around 200 i wasiven access to the basement on madiso avenue. to go down to the bement under a building, to look forhe records from 10, the peanuts cartoon strip, a young rtoonist from minnesota had been trying for a number of ars to get started and united

teachers, t national internationa was acceptedy, his papers were downhere. the bankers boxes, they are to the right in alphabetical and the first one is off to my left was roosevelt/my d. i just picked up the lid and magical dust flew into the air as i lifted out a long galley. i remember the first description, i have this pression that eleanor roosevelt had written a column, didn't know anything about it in the moment so as i began reading a description of starlight from a sleepin porch in a fall morning,arly fall morning the great hopefulness of this

morning star from missus roosevelt brought into this first paragraph of this poem, i felt the se sense of wonder and attention and joy and love and kind ofhought, why do i keep reading this? then i discovered that but i had a very strong feeling this is something needed to be continued and i need to look more carefully the and that was the beginning, strangely, on the same spot, it turned out, i later learned in my research that eleanor and franklin and franklin's mother, the basemt where i was had been franklin's mother's hse in new york city. the house she had moved from. when the commercia things began to arrive, move further uptown

and that waser moment of escape from 200 madison up to 4749 eas 56th she lived. that is another story back at cambridge, i wanted t say before i turn over to margaret and beth and continue ouronversation, i want to give a shout out to everybody, thank you. shout out to one of your neighbors at digital, eleanor parker i want to shout out also my buddy, a poet who i grow up. she and i used to run the railroad there. we were always a bit kd of odd dumpingnto the train, there were very few people there and they certified our awfulness, retaking the train, no one else will he was doing that.

he remained in outer limit. it was very far away from life i knew it early on. i ban 19 years, it' always a very romantic and highly literary. i am so proud to be at tonight. margaret. >> that was fascinating. i love your connection to bost boston. the cambridge is in all of us but it was fascinating to hear. i hadn't appreciated your throat connection to the partner of ours in thi and as i said, i am margaret. we do have lot of partners but one ofy favorites is this. it is a thrill to be with them tonight. as many of you know, we run this

series american inspiration and i can't think of a better person to be part ofhis series than eleanor osevelt. she and her family, they are such large figures in american history. owner particularlys such an inspiration. particularly at thisime for inclusion, diversity, our great country, she is such a role model and truly inspiring. one particularly big fan, beth, ll us about your ven. start with your first question. >> let me apologize for bng a little late to join you, my computer shut down. i am beth, head of special colltions at the state library library.

our in publications and many otr things in massachusetts history. we really glad to be partf this tonight. margaret and i he written some options foravid and we have compiled questions that cam from people when they registered. we will watch f questions that come in during the talk tonight. i'm goingo start with one question, i am a huge fan of eleanor's. this includes questions from other people. here is my first qstion. my favorite line in the whole book, and they were many favote lines, right after the dedication page but before the table ocontents. it is a quote from eleanor that says i failed t notice everything. to me, that sentence can apply

to everying that happened to her in the book. everything that shaped her life. i wondered if you could give some ctext for the quote and tell us if you agree with my thouts. >> im so touched by your thoughts because tt is exactly exactly, that's exactly what i hopedould sound as an oveure to her life. appalachian spring when i began work, it has the sound of elders great expansion from her own life, personalife in the country and being part of the country. i think her ability to notice, it began when she w very young and i think sething about survival mechanism, coping mechanism when she was young. it became thing was almost shocked how many people feeling

her, almost her looking so cafully, sometimes when she didn't think someone was noticing her, should very carefully athem. i don't think she missed a thi thing. in one of democracies great principles, everybody counts in everybody's life a feelings and rights are to be equally just taken into account. i think the owners noticing was extremely democratic and equal opportunity and fareaching and far seeing. one of the tngs everybody who did mt her or came into contact with her felt that about her, they felt seen. i think being see by someone who is in the center of the government or the center off democracy or just washington d.c. was an unusual experience

in those days. i think it's morenusual to the feel that in our mass world. i think to be closed by someone like eleanor roosevelt was to feel asf you are, yr humanity had been taken into account and i think that was o of her gifts, it was automatic and natural to her. you cldn't make it, it was authentic. an authentic to understand others she felt, she felt there wasn't anybody she could learn from. evybody, if she understood them carefully and o their own terms, began to get a sense of what they were about. e would learn something and take itometimes back to the government or an agency that might help. simply just back to her own colu sometimes what she to reflt those thoughts and the things she sees andthers.

another was, i have an entire filedalled simply nicing. it was part of t job description for first lady, being a human being was. her job was to notice people and what they were really going throh. >> that phrase meant even more to me aer i finished more so than when i first started so thank you for that also part of that sentence,he word oblige. i was very struck b how obligated she felt to so many people in her life. starting with her father, she developed a fundamental capacity to oblige live subject to other people's control. in her boarding school in england, she looked after the girls who were there.

she looked after her younger brother and then fdr, there was a lotf stepping back obliging that she did. was she just born for that type of service? it ismazing. >> i think in someone, i used to think of elinor roosevelt when i was younger as perhaps the greatest do-gooderf all time doooder quality about her will ben to appear more subtly to me as i was beginng research and to understand her, the wish to do good and be good had great deal to do with needing to reshape peoe's ideas about her father who died i such disgrace as a drunk, a june, someone who was draggedhrough the mud

and by people she thename across. her wish to do good became something that translated into a need to be useful and if she could be useful, she thought she would be loved, some of would take the characters getting them and get back to her. i think it became a mission for her to be the kind of person whose usefulness was illuminating or enlightening or would on somebody up or almost create aense of awakening. he never stopped her became her transaction, the way she connected. >> we got a number of questions about why she did certain thin things. infidety, she had feelings? this service talking about

has become the capacity to forbea >> i think herillingness to be tolerant bame something she first worked on to uerstand herself and accept the parts of herself she kne she could not fulfill and others, and acceptance that aowed her to be tolerant to be tolerant of herself first and thenthers, it was a struggle but i think she conquered. shead to conquer one of her failings she understood and herself, she didn't reallyave a broad range, she wasn't alwed to express anger as a child. she actually shut down. she had a resentment or even a mild peak let alone full-blown, the right to be fulblown angry, she was told to go to the bathroom, hang her head over the bathtub and cry it out by herself, found anywhere else.

she was very constrained and think learning how to respond to people heard her she first knew only to turn to the law turn on herself and that was very much part of her early responses. the transcendence of the, it allowed her to finally become the independent woman she later came my step-by-step, one of the reasons i felt the roosevelt marriage works outn the long runn partnership, she had learned early howo befriend somebody in the case of noto much lucy mercer, a rival later people helped her and became rt of her life and replaced her, almost as a surrogate with

franklin, she learn to love and tolerate and become part of the family and their parallel live. >> thank you >> okay. many of the people are very intereed in how authors do their work. this biography seems like it had a cast of thousds. very similar names. thk you, by the way for the list of characters in the beginning of the book, that was ve helpful, especially the nickname. could you tell us how you mage your research especially how you have soany details. partly as a library, to. >> i had a couple of big sales

but the trip was i have continued ever since. i give eac person a color that franklin was always blue. every blu index card will be drinking. every green is elinor every red mama or theater roosevelt, or hi cousin. yellow is any woman elinor fell in love with for any man honor fell in love with. i don't know why yellow but it worked. white is quotationsrom other soces that needs to be saved. those are miraculously useful and helpful i terms of keepi things straight in the beginning and you can expand the colors. in somerville, and elinor surrogate with franklin. became purple.

it was foreople who were franklin and elder people. they were go-between people. all in chronicle chronologic order. the main principle, years ago when i was doing something on his ship, everything tha came in to mr. fuller's life, this was all pre-internet, he thought globally a much of his work was global. he realized thenly way to keep straight was to file everything ronologically. every time you get a piecef information, if you put chronogically into a chronological file oforking into your own life, you rember it better. it alsoent into a chronological file of elinor's

starting in 1884 but also even earlier. every year of her le is in there chronologically. i would put things in her life where they happened. in that way when you go back to that year, he discovered two thin you put next to each other suddenly reveal sething, that isuite often the case. it would be information that wasn't there in the first place. >> theres the first answer to the question then, index cards. >> i have to have it in my hand in the beginning. all things will go. i know i will end up in a digital rolling stones effor, my spirit will endlessly be

alive that sounds le fun. it was fun. i was fortunate in my early publishing career, pat would do the same thing, he kept a chronology of everything asked the administrative person every letter he wrote. it was chronological. years and years of all these letters he wrote and heould put after them, he'd say give me 1990. >> every person gets a file a it becomes its own suble very important to keep them, each of em separate and clear. >> onehing i delighted and

horrified doing in reading your book was trying to keep all the aged families in order. the roosevelt, you talk about the roosevelt marriage, merging of the high part roosevelt comes from the futile, the family up in the hudson valley were a remarkable collectionnd anna hall, owners mother, she was emerging in the halls they hung out in new york, it is in this amazing collection of names of new york. in many ways, i think o eleanor roosevelt, your book is portrait of new york and of course it goes to washington but it's, she is new york girl sheoves

among new york and a much as she tries to get away fm that, she is stuck in tt society and then her mother-in-law the vanderbilt my divorce but the donors do not. it was a library that he shipped home from europe. these names in history come back into the lives and sor of talk to them. >> ve much the ones in charge of that time. in general, where the older version of great wlth. what struck me about new york, there was so much left on the floor. ...

the world eleanor was going to transcend was also th world she was in some ways going to be committed to reshaping and saving. soany of the things that were reformed out smh and then eleanor and frankl roosevelt reformed in thnew deal we reformed th people who were sick inthat city, who didn't have representation . you got off e boat , this guy came oveand started bringing youce and bringing your services sothat y would do their bidding politically . you would the way they told you vote so they brought you ice for your little

icebox or they brought you something. eleanor and franklin came to ultimately represe the government that rebuked that corrt machine city of boston and people coming into giving a special favors to give everybody equal measure in the american dream but also essentially the prosperity that was created with all that wealth that eleanor roosevelt and old new york, she was d new york and i think she pt bits and pieces ofthat all her life . it was strange to me and sad that when you saw the statue of eleanor roosevelt in t great roosevelt monument in washington dc next to the

base in there, the new roosevelt monument of the 2000 or the late 90s i guess. eleanor was liberately shown in that statutwithout first . she re furs everywhere. she carried her handbag everywhere . she always had something for you. her courtesies were the courtesies of a civilized woman. she never gave those up and she didn't worry about being identified olabeled accordingly. she simply was who she was and that kind of freedom i think is , was a triumph for her ultimately. itallowed her to be heelf . in ws that i think other people like her wer uncomfortable with. she never became uncomfortable being a womanof her time and place . >> you, that's a wondeul answer . you want to do one morebefore we take off for the round of the questions

the question that i have is an amalgam of some oth peoples as well have come already . the intersection that covers after fdr's election to the presidency, i wastruck out by how similar this is sothing we really eded to go h many of the conditions that we are goingthugh right now , or financial crises, limited federal aid , presidential elections. climate disaster. many more things. they're very similar to what we're going roughright now . so the question is how can we take what you learn from eleanor and how she reacd to all those things to help us through these kinds things. >> it's too good answers right off the top of my head, one is she certainly made listing part of the job descriptn. i think for listening was

very deep, it was also always sincere and profound listening. she was somebody who was speaking andow that might affect the other people in theilives. i think she was like a doctor the way she listened, she would couldhave listened with her back leaning forward . when doctors use to make diagrams of the rest of her family, to understand what kind of illnesses you might have inherited, when they we diagnosed she was a diagnoician when she listened and she was open to what you had to say . and i think thout question, the ability to listen is the most impornt thing today. she would say i think. the other part is tred is upon us and has been on us now for a while. in a public way and in way that was unleashed d takes people by surprise. elear, it took me by surprise and shock me to find the kind of hatred that she

was subjected to in her publicife starting in her public life as a woman but rticularly her public life a first lady. she was solutely reviled because she, pple realized in the south where jim crow was in ascendancy ku klux klan at one point, she experienced thkind of hatred that you heard a bit about and heard during t obama years it was now out in the reet and that was part of her ability to let that go never to react rectally to find a way around or away ov a way under, sometimes through but i think she s never committed to winning. she was never committed to making her point be the point that stuck.

e was always moving past that and i think moment itself and letting go, moving forward and lettingo the things that she did most often and you don't see much of, enoughof now . i think it rare stuff. >> thank you. so margaret were going to turn to some questions that came in from our viewers. >> i gathered three of the together that were sent in eay and i'll get through all three of them . both eleanor a colge grad, what's with eleanor's early education and who influenced eleanor most . and i would love to talk a little bit about her remarkable experience of edation. david and also fdr's education. he was clely haunted by

captivity and in a good way. but th of them greatly formed their education, tell us mo. >> eleanor was told by her grandmother thatf she were to go to college she would never attract a man. it was that world of thinking the pot of college was to get your f degree and or simply a few more fine tuning of a debutante. women didn't go to college in her class. they were not encouraged to, very few did ieleanor's generation although you see law school, there were teachers ultimately from her generation and women did go to college bunot the women that she came oage with. she went to a boarding schoo in englandt her aunt, her roosevelt aunt anna roosevelt

the sister of theodore roosevelt have gone and become the girl of that era under madame's event, madame sue that was a charismatic frenchwoman who was regressive in her politics, but emphasized one thing above all and it was that a woman eded to learnto think for herself . the idea of education was that madame sue that was thought to be harmful eventuallyo women's health so young woman could fight that idea, shemight get influence and she might get, you might need to find her away tosomeplace if she got carried away with education . so this was almost radical in the sense that marie so that was taking the young women of e then aristocracy both international, having american but particularly international worlwho were not being told at home to think for themselves oto say much of anything and she

told them that not only must they think for themselves but learn how to speak their minds and to carry an argument thugh areand to defend their part of the argument. skills that toy i think our natural to a sixth-grader were denied and dispved for young women. eleanor wentt 15, she stayed with madame sue that. she became whose favor she came and that was more a sensof a decision almost of a graduate student and almost an assistant professor role whe she had things to teach younger girls. she hadresponsibities . she was what she became all r lifewhich was an intermediary , going between the authority and others, she defended various classmates against madame sueand

defended madame sue backto her classmates she took education as a gift and what she learned there she brought back and it became a template for her ole life. one of the things she learned that she bmed herself for later was th madame sue that stdards, high standards, she had to learn at the table at the school how to converse with a grown up on subjects she knew nothingabout . that was anotherproblem, listening to what wabeing said, taking up details and then coming back with that later inhe conversation as if she now knew better or more than she really did. it's not exactly the asking as we would call today or, it was a way of projecti things, projecting herself that she learned later to

curtail. she then went back to the books later on andsaid i'm going to learn from the ground up . she did not take this sort of more diplomac version. she went back to the unid states in 1901 and unfortunately was subjected by her grandmother to a whole range of debutans coming out and society girls, rituals and rights that were horrific to her inlarge part becae her own parents , she wasn't orphanedby then . her parents had died and her mother had bn in ascendancy socially among new york socie. she had lost her father in this endless way so every room she went into she was desperate about either eleanor roosevelt's poor daughter or anna roosevelt's less attractive daughter they would say.

she was ashamed. it was a public shaming and also the rituals ofhat world were rlly all geared towards the matrons the way you wanted to play the game of catch and spend and being involved in all the daerous liaisons and edith wharton age of innocence kind of rituals, ritus and rights. she was ch an outsider and her own life d now created i think the great theme of do i belong and mri connected and where do i fit in and then when she met franklin she discoverednother outsider and oddball because though franklin came from the roosevelt's of hyde park and had lived a quite magnificent childhd there it was still for this provincily isolated childhood. she was brought into school late. she d lost three years and already had been named at

th school and world that she then had to catch up in waa world where he was considered an outsider. they met eleanor rahlen, i always called it this meetin of the oddballs because they were couns but they were both odd in their, among their peers. there were a charismatic each of them in a different way and could be quite dynamic and magnetic but in the world at that time they were both the outsiders and that's in a way it was part of thr earlydetachment. >> 19 . >> what to say about her influence, i think this is it bears reading in the book also leads that ct of charters but there were in her life when she wasn't orphaned these ants and, behold, if you've ever seen the magnificent anderson's which is a story about a family that was magnificent,

now falling down in industrialisand the new world overtakes it. she lived in this house as an orphan on the hudson river, it wasn'empire and it los as if it's right out of the magnificent emersons and having these ants and uncles who were falling down. the uncles were quite astonishingly the champions ofheir day. lawn tennis was justtarting they were the earliest champions and the odds were a dozen of the moment and all the magazines. >>. >> and uncle valley with his amateur actor and one uncle valley andncle eddie won the doubles championship of

the east coast i1880, and then moved on to the national championship of several years later by 88 i think ey were doublehampions but the house was full of their trophies they were full of all these old the passing glors and eleanor was the young responsible one among this group of now quite feckle, alcoholic , out-of-control zany, fun , it was not a gothic or hoifying orphaned hood. it was more she saw falling apart and she learned how to be almost the proxy trustee caed she was the one who showed up in court. she was one who showed up at the police station one more time had gone on to new york in the tenderloin dirict and showed up at the station hoe and officer cookie was on the blower, calling tivoli

and saying if someone's got to come andget him out of here . hewas the vein of eleanor's life later on and wh she was first lady he was still carrying on there. uncle eddie let his life also intercede. she was very loyal to those aunt and uncles. the pantit so much better than thencles. and it washe beginning of her taking, they weren't displaced people but they weredisplaced peop, they didn't know where to go . and it was eleanor's job to ta care of them and she buried tm. she saw them through terrible tragedies. she took care of her children and she paid tuition. she made sure everyone, the numbers of people and thgs that eleanor would be writing checks for in her adult life and the christmas list, the numbers of individls that

she was constantly, she had a sense ofresponsibility for was staggering . and that was just personal, let alone all the people applied to in her political world. >> go-ahead. >>. >>ere getting a little bit close to the end, do you want to ask the main question an one final one there's so many questions andyou guys have one more and then i'll the final . >> we have people named eleanor afteeleanor. >> it's that common, you run across that or any comment on naming and eleanor? >> is awesome because i got to look athis quickly. >> you might be surprised how many people ma that promise

. >> i'm eleanor because of eleanor. it's unbelievable .>> on one second. just one second. >> i can't keep almanacs, and i still on? i keep almanacs on certain things . i've been keeping an almanac of t things that were named for her or after her and here it goes. a rose, midseason pne holds its panels as if in a cup. and ever, lily a rawberry. a bowl in a traveling wild we rodeo, and audience in the south, $10 to anyone who can ride eleanor roosevelt, that's from south carona in the 50s. a shade blue. a conspiracy, eleanor club. a wedding gown.

a broth chicken, a milwaukee restaurant, inmerable public and vocational hools, a college in the university of san diego, a honorary chapter of kappa delta pi for distinguished educators, multiple college ildings including the elegant red brick building at rhode island state college. world war ii planes, countless newborns including anna, roosevelt, ella anna eanor roosevelt, a baby born in a trailer1969 . word wilmington massachusetts, an american pop singer born october 3 1940, eleanor bernsteiborn 1938, writer of e movie dirty dancing . a female basset hound and rhodesian ridge back , fellowships and political sciee at 200 acre trust of land, population 20,000 tw miles from san juan puerto rico. combining the last slables of the first and last na

norville, at some downtown whites only in west virginia, a yomite national park that she help build, buildings in us embassies, urban housing projects, a golf course, golf course hazards includint-shaped bunkers and golf course souls especially the 368 yard par for 16 poll at a burban chicago country club and e fourth hole at the new york which were called eleanor's eth where the bunkers were spre out. a white doll you and a clock, i think imentioned a clock because it's always on the go . that's my naming almanac of eleanor's. >> that list will probably grow why don't we do this. the last question which again as many of them have been a combination of questions that came in from people and that is was eleanor appreciated by

the puic in her lifetime or was her great impact oy realized only after her death and e second half of that question is is her lacy still relevantin today world ? >> i think, i think there's so much pain in the world right now at eleanor is a figure nogreater than ever because shwas a person who saw pain in otrs and cod. i think she had the abilit to do that. so i think her legacy the world today, her ability to ok into you and for you to see her, that connection which sadly where not able to do that in real time anymore is still there r people.

when they do connect to her and her to her spirit which is global and which became global because it' universal, it's about human dignity and about seeing humanity in somebody else d taking it into your self . d so i think that when she was alive, two things happened. it's thstrangeness that she was nonated for the nobel peace prize sevel times but nevergiven it . let's see, the chairman or the supervisor of the universal declaration of human rights document that tends to bring basic ghts to people in all nations across the globe. anserve as an instrument for the rights owg forward. she should have been awarded that honor. t her life was so full of honor i don't think it's matteredto her at all .

if that ever took place she would ve been the person to say that it was for her husband's policiesr her carrying out her husband's policies . even in her lifetime she felt the love it i think by people i think people, they communicated her love and admiration to her inpublic . i think people stopped her frequently on the street where she was d she connected frequently with people . she always gave it over to franklin, her husband . franklin d roosevelt as president of the united states and as the great war leader who did not see the and the war. gave her an endless decades of widowhood in which she could sidestep what intentions might be brought to her by saying she was simply carrying out her husbandlegacy . it wasn'true. the would deflect when she needs to deflect i think but i think that wt she wanted

alwa was connection. what she wanted was love ar and i think that she found that in parand yet never wholly a i think that her ruggles with that d her ability to finally see herself whole manifested at the very end of her life when she i think accepted what she had done was enough and that in her final struggles with her neurosis she was able to set herself it's just t who i am in language stayed aw and a limited world. i would rather go now and i thinthat she and recognizing th, that she hadone what shehad been put on eth to do .i think she exessed a kind of, ere's a my favorite monuments, not

so much it's full of great monuments but i contract thinking about my butt the arthur's licensors greystone now there appears his bowtie, there's a bowtie and great on the stone. there are two stones anhis stone says something like best-loved and her stone says she tried. i think eleanor, i think elear tried. i think she tried and i think she did finally love and i think she wasloved . i think finding out om herself primarily was a great stggle but i do think that today when we even just ripple through the world of eleanor roosevelt the inspiration she brings the peop, even by saying no one can make you inferior about yo without your consent.

the future belongs to ose who believe inhe beauty of their dreams. these ques and these ideas are active for people and think that brought forward by times like thene we're living in where authority confused as to his role. as to how to help and how to bring people into the process that they're alienated from. eleanor's main goal i think and her great lecy is to say that your government does belong to you, that you do have a role to play and it's not just given to you. it's something you need to give to and step up and vote. >> thank you, i love eleanor roosevelt my entire life and after reading your book i love her even more so thank you for that . >> i thk cornerstone books is goingocome back on . >> david, that was a pleasure. >> thank you so much both.

>> i wanto extend my thanks to all three of you for, or that and margaret for coming up with this good question and for fielding the ones. i'm sorry if we didn't get to the ones we didn't talk about but i'm sure all of us would have been happy talking about eleanor further and vid , for giving us this tremendous worker scholarship and archival work . i thk any of us who are around our ageor even older than us, younger than us, she remains the quintessential first lady when we think of what the presidents spouse should be ke. the one we measure up against his roosevelt and i think that this book makes it clear why she got to that place and i appreciate what h history might be able to tell us for the times that we're in now, going on under the years

after the beginning of her husbands presidency. i'll remind everyone again that if you click on the bottom, you'll get the book will be sied by david. thanks everyone again. i'm sorry so people have some problems with a platform this is wonderful and asked all for doing it. >> you're watching tv on this holiday weekend. television for serious readers . your programs to watch for, tonight political scientist deborah stone argues numbers are subjective. that's followed by a look back at many of the authorswe shared our monthly program in depth . for the past 20 years. and then law professor john gave it away examines the relationship between public health guidelines. find a complete schedule@tv.org or on your program guide . >> there are some of the current best-selling nonfiction books according to

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