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england historical genealogical society and producer a literary program is special collections the library messages sure she will you are a horse trying. even michaelis is a local boy, he is trained before our books were existed and the author of award-winning biographies of charles schultz and cys and i have no will add to his words. it is also aloneness margaret and the wall street journal calls this book super, the new york times it was a terrific resource out so you my own personal collection with eleanor roosevelt which is my home was in junior high in the late 40s mrs. roosevelt came to visit her swollen across was a student chosen to escort her through the auditorium stage. experience level talked about for the rest ofher life . please without further do and welcoming margaret and.

>> you. you just actually proved the point that i wanted to here to start this wonderful evening is alot for having me . everybody turns out had some connection to eleanor roosevelt. i grew up in cambridge where you are aware that george washington had been other common george washington slept here you go around the country george washington slept here as always been this joke of the 30s. it's not just eleanor's left ear, eleanor register deeply on every single person she those memories just as your mother's was were lifelong estate people i grew up in a household in which i thought eleanor was relayed to me. i thought she was arelative . it was such a sense of her presence . the reason was because my mother worked for eleanor

roosevelt at wgbh . wgbh was in its infancy. a television was in its infancy . national television was the person wearing the story one half generation even away from or actually maybe five years away from another very powerful arriving fashion on educational television named julia child from cambridge massachusetts right now is 1959. eleanor roosevelt decided she would have a one hour per month seminar like show that would be filled brandeis brandeis was a place that she cared a great deal about. she was on board. it was a perfect primitive tv studio and there were tables and plywood platforms running all through in the theater part of the auditorium at the

show we shopped there, my mother's job was to go down to new york and prepare with mrs. roosevelt from her closet one of five identical not particularly broadway like dresses, morelike wash day dresses . he was very simple in her presentation on the show and my mother's job was to pick which dress was going to be this month to go over the scripted, the script she had prepared with all noble, the other professor and the other executive producer . in this training, i was about four years old when i went one day to the studio and her among my very earliest memories the impression i had was of extremely, of a giantess. in motion, walking to down a corridor or across tables and

all i remember was that somehow i was able to set my foot in one spot and another in another spot and move towards this figure and say two words. she looked down at me and clearly was fresh out of juicy fruit, and no stick of chewing gum for diana michaelis's young son but she had for me who i think she met four people in this way, her eyes beamed out like as if there was light from within. her smile was brought and she was full of a sort of sardonic mirth i think at a child asking her for a stick of gum and expecting it. was the main thing and she told me she didn't have to and i don't remember what else she said. memory is of a sense i was close to this. goodness was pouring out a human being in the form of light . this happened to be one or

two other times in my life. one very movingly when nelson mandela came up broadway soon after his release from rhode island and his arrival in the united states. i by chance found myself downtown and as i walked towards broadway realizing something was happening just as i arrived at broadway there was mandela old car in the parade and his glance fell to the left of me but i felt i could see there was the same phenomenon of goodness, of goodness appearing as light. i saw it once in an artist when he was looking at something, the same kind of attention when it was given as a sort of pure attention, a pure love of the subject. the same thing and then strangely what connected me back to mrs. roosevelt and what began this book for me was coincidence i only realized some of the coincidences later around

2001 i was given access to a basement on madison avenue to go down into the basement under the office building to look for the records from 1950 of the beginning of peanuts, of the peanuts cartoon strip of charles schultz. our cartoonist from minnesota and trying for a number of years to get his cartoon started united feature syndicate was the national, international syndicate that schultz was accepted by and his papers were down there and as i found schultz at the as part of the bankers boxes there to the right where they are alphabetical boxes, the first one i saw to my left was roosevelt's my day. i just picked up a and it sort of magical dust flew

into the air and left it out along galley and at first i remembered the first description . i had an impression at eleanor roosevelt and written column, didn't know anything about it at that moment so as i began reading the description of starlight from a sleeping porch in a fall morning, early fall morning and the great hopefulness that this site of the morningstar from mrs. roosevelt sleeping porch brought into this first paragraph of this daily column, i felt the same sort of sense of wonder and attention and joy and love and kind of thought why don't i keep reading this? i had a lot to do to discover schultz but i have a strong feeling that this was something that needed to be continued i needed to look morecarefully . that was the beginning strangely on the same spot it turned out i later learned as

i began my research, and 200 madison avenue the basement where i was then franklin smothers house in new york city. the house that she had moved from when altman arrived in the neighborhood and eleanor roosevelt went commercial, when the commercial things began to move further uptown that was her moment of escape from 200 madison out to 47, 49 e. where she lived with franklin, that's another story. back to cambridge briefly, i wanted to say before i turn it over to margaret and beth and we continue our conversation i want to give a shout out to everybody square books today, thank you. i want to give a shout out to one of your digital and my greek assistanteleanor parker . i wanted to shout out also my train commuting by who i grew

up with in cambridge massachusetts she and i used to run for the train at railroad ran out to concorde and back it wasalways , we were always a bit odd jumping on the train where there was very few people and we certified our awfulness and our cambridge this we were taking this train from porter square to concorde, nobody else was doing so is very vivid porter square and other limits to me strangely in my childhood. i was very far away from life as i sort of knew early on and then i began to order square in my teenage years so it's always very romantic literary, highly literary locus that i'm always so proud tobe at tonight . margaret. >> that was fascinating. i love your connection to boston and you are very much in your personnel understand but the cambridge diehards in

all us. but it was fascinating to hear and appreciate your thorough connection to wgbh, a partner of ours in this series that we do. and as i said, i'm margaret talcott on one of my favorites is porter square books so it's rare to be with them in the library. as many of you know, we american ancestors run this series american inspirations and i can't think of a better person to be part of this series eleanor roosevelt. she and her family, they are such willingly large figures in american history eleanor particularly is such an inspiration so particularly at this time for inclusion, diversey, for our country she is such a role model and truly inspiring. one particularly big fan of eleanor roosevelt's death

carol of the state library of massachusetts, tell us about your fandom and why don't you start offwith the first question ? >> let me just apologize for being a little late to join you . my computer shut down. i am carol and i had a special collection of the state library where we're in the massachusetts state house in downtown boston and many other things in massachusetts history but we are very glad to be part of this group tonight. so margaret and i have written some questions for david and we've also compiled questions that came from people when they registered and we will be watching for actions that come in during the talk tonight so i'm going to start with one question that's mostly mine because i am a huge fan of a horse. it also includes questions that came in from other people. so here is my first question.

my favorite line of the whole book and there were many, many favorite lines was right after the dedication page but before the table of contents it's a quote from eleanor. it says i felt obliged to notice everything. to me, that sentence can apply to everything that happened to her in the book and everything that she her life.so i wondered if you could give us some context for that quote and tell us if you agree with my thoughts about it i'm so touched by your thoughts about it because that as an epigraph what ihoped that would sell , almost as an overture for the life. i used two, i was: appalachianspring when i began work . it had some of the sound of

eleanor's great expansion . from her own life, her own personal life to the country being part of the whole country . her ability. >> her life when she was very young something of the survival, coping mechanism when she was young. it became something that i almost was shocked how many people left records feeling her almost staring sometimes at them. looking so carefully, sometimes when she didn't think someone was noticing her, she would look very carefully at them. i think in one of democracies great principles which is reciprocity which is that really counts and everybody's life and rights are to be equally judge and deeply taken into account, i think eleanor's noticing was extremely democratic and equal opportunity and

far-reaching. i think one of the things you me her or came in contact with her self seen. and i think being seen as someone who comes from the center of the government or center of democracy or the center of washington dc was a veryunusual experience in those days . i think it would be unusual to feel that our mass world full of pain, i think to be cleansed by someone like eleanor roosevelt was to feel as if you're very humanity. that was one of her gifts. automatic natural to her. you couldn't fake it. it was an authentic wish to understand others. i think she felt after a certain point that there wasn't anybody she could learn from. everybody she met was

somebody who she understood them carefully and on their own terms began to get a sense of what they were about . she would learn something and take it back, sometimes back to the present, back to the government, sometimes back to some agency that might help or simply to her own, which she used reflect those thoughts and the things she had seen inothers . so noticing, i have an entire file called simply noticing. it was such a part of the job description where she changed what being first lady was. she changed what being a human being was. her job was to notice people notice what they were going through . >> the quote even more after i finishedthe book when i first started so thank you for that . >> also part of that sentence is the word of life. and i was very struck by how obligated he felt to so many

people through her life. starting with her father, you say she developed a fundamental capacity to oblige to live subject to other people's control. in 14 years, in her boarding school in england she looked after the girls that were there. she looked after her young brother paul and endlessly and she lookedafter fdr . and she had very hard to please mother-in-law there was a lot of stepping back and obliging she did. which she just, what you born for this typeof service ? >> i think that in someone, i used to think of eleanor when i was younger as perhaps the greatest do-gooder of all time where there was perhaps a do-gooder qualityabout her .

began to appear more subtly to me as i was beginning research and beginning to understand her was that the wish to do good and be good was, had a great deal to do with needing to reshape people's ideas about her father had died in such disgrace as a drunk, as a junkie, ask someone who was absolutely dragged through the mud ultimately in his final years and then afterwards by people in his own world and by people that she then came across. i think her wish to do good became something that translated into a need to be useful. and if she could be useful she felt she could be loved. that someone would take the care that she was giving them and get back to her. it became a mission for her really to be the kind of person who usefulness was illuminating or enlightening or would open somebody up or almost create a kind of

awakening i think that never stopped her and it just became her transaction. it became the way she connected. >> we've got a number of questions about why she listed certain things. fdr's infidelity, was she in's perspective sort, didshe have feelings ? in this service that you're talking about it becomes his capacity to forbear. >> i think the willingness to be tolerant became something that she first worked on to understand in herself and accepting the parts of herself she knew she could not fulfill in others was an acceptance allowed her to be tolerant and to be tolerant of herself for and others. it was a novel, a struggleand i think she conquered . he had to conquer whatever failings that she understood in herself was she didn't really have a broad range of

translate wasn't allowed to express anger. a child she was shut down. if she had resentment, if she had even a mild peak let alone a full-blown right knee full-blown angry, she was told to go into the bathroom, anger had over the past try it out all by herself. she was very constrained and i think learning how to respond to people who had hurt her, she first new only the self, she knew to turn to the wall and turn it on herself and that kind of self immolation was very much a part of her early responses i think it's the transcendence of allowed her to finally become obviously independent woman she later became in step-by-step, one of the reasons the i felt that the roosevelt marriage didn't

work out in the long run as a partnership was that she had learned early how to befriend somebody who for instance in the case of not so much lucy mercer was arrival and that was not someone she was going to be friends with later people came to help franklin and became part of their lives and replaced her almost as a surrogate with franklin, she learned to love and tolerate and become our family there are parallel lives. >> thank you. >> okay. of the people who attend our author talks very interested about authors do their work. this eleanor roosevelt on the seemed to me like thousands. many with very similar names. thank you by way for that

list of characters in the beginning of the book. that was very helpful, especially the nicknames. so could you tell us how you managed your research and especially how you keep so many details so well-documented? i'm asking this partly as a librarian to. >> i had a couple of drinks and a couple of really fails but the trick was learned with mc wyeth and i continue to present his ideas color so that franklin was always blue area every blue index card was, every green index card is eleanor, every red index card is mama ortheodore roosevelt , tr insult or an oyster baycall . yellow is any woman: love with or manage a door lock with. it's a love interest, like a works and why is quotations from other sources that need

to be saved, a white index card. those are miraculously useful and helpful in terms of keeping things to beginning and you can expand the colors. miss you and the somerville was eleanor surrogate with franklin became one of the purples. and purple is for people who are franklin and eleanor people, people who were go-betweens. and folders, all in chronological order. the main principle, i learned from buckminster fuller years ago when i was doing profile on him about his friendship with dominic lucci. every single came into buckminster fuller's life and it was a complicated life free internet, he sort of globally and much of his work was global. he realized the only way to keep things straight was to

file everything in chronological order so that every time you get a piece of information, if you do put it chronologically into a chronological file of where it came into your own life, 2010 and 2012, you remember it better. it also went into a chronological file eleanor's. it started in 1884 also earlier. every year of eleanor's life is in chronological order and i would always put things in her life where they happened. and often in that way when you go back to that year you discover that two things you put next to each other suddenly reveal something. quite often the case. there's a sort of surprised bumping up against each other of information that wasn't there in the first place. >> this first answer to the question then is index cards .

>> i have to have it in my handin the beginning . it does go into great digital soup. when small things now, and all things will go and i have a space in and out of her and strangely enough because of my mother but i know i'm going to end up in a digital rolling stones concert. that's where somehow my spirit is going to endlessly be alive. >> @soundslike fun. >> auburn is fun. >> i love mount auburn. i was fortunate in my early publishing career to work for alfred not junior. otherwise known as not and would do the same thing with my chronology, he kept the chronology of everything as is sort of administrative person, every letter he wrote went into a folder that which chronological and he had years and years chronological photos, all these letters he

ever wrote all these famous people and he would back to them, he said give me 1990. >> every person gets a file to and that b has its own stuff of files and that's like the people it's very important to keepthem . each of them separate and very clear. >> one thing i delighted in and horrified in doing in reading your book was 20 all the gilded age families. in order, the roosevelt you talk about the roosevelt's, their marriage and you have fdr and eleanor in the merging of the roosevelt and the hyde park would come from the futile bounty and that the families upon the valley were a remarkable collection of landed gentry. anna hall, eleanor's mother, she was emerging with both of

those calls, they hung out in new york with the other high society sorts. it's an endless, amazing collection of names. of new york. in many ways i think of eleanorroosevelt , your book is sort of a trick of new york and of course it goes down to washington but it's a new york, she's a new york girl. she moves among new york and then as much as she tries to get away from that old age, she's stuck in brownstone society. >> fdr went and got a library and it was an exercise library that he shifts home from your area that these names and histories come back into their lives and sort of on us.

>> they were very much the ones in charge at that point. ashley ballroom and in general where the older version of great wealth that, what struck me about new york and i'm so glad you saw the portrait, it is a port city and there was so much left on the cutting room floor and helpfully so i think. thank you billy parker again who helped me cut out a lot of the early new york it was a city, the seizure was born into was a one like we are in now where it was a city absolutely polarized between unimaginable wealth imaginable poverty. as each new wave of immigrants arrived, at castle garden and came into the city, the world eleanor was going to finally transcend was also the world she was going to be in some ways committed to reshaping and saving. so many of the things that were performed at thousand first and then eleanor herself franklin roosevelt

and the reforms of the new deal were reforms that help save people who were sick and that's a. who didn't have representation. you got off the boat and the guys from tammy hall came over and started bringing you ice and started bringing you services so that you would do their bidding politically you would vote the way they told you to vote they brought you ice or your little icebox where they brought you something . eleanor and franklin were, they came to ultimately represent the government replaced correct machine city of bosses and people coming and giving you special favors to get everybody equal measure in the american dream but also essentially the prosperity that was created with all of that wealth that overtook families like eleanor's, the paul family and the roosevelt room new york and she was from old new york and she actually i think

that it's in pieces of all thatall her life . it was strange to me and said that where you saw the statue of eleanor roosevelt in the great roosevelt monument in washington dc next to the reflecting, next to the silo basin there, the new roosevelt monument of the 2000 or late 90s i guess. eleanor was deliberately shown in that statue without first. she wore first everywhere. she carried her handbag everywhere and she arrived with violence, she always had something for you. her courtesies were the currencies of a civilized last time. she never gave. and she didn't ever worry about being identified or labeled accordingly. she simply was she was in that kind of freedom i think is was a triumph for her,

ultimately. allow her to beherself . in ways that i think other people similar like her were uncomfortable with. she never became uncomfortable with being a woman of her time and place. >> iq, that's a wonderful answer. one more before we take off to the realm of other questions? >> the question i have actually, is a amalgam of from other people as well that have come inalready . in the section that covers first years after fdr's election to the presidency, i was struck by how similar this was something you mentioned minutes ago, how many of the conditions that we're going through right now for financial crisis, losing homes, limited federal aid, presidential elections, climate disaster and many more things, theyare very

similar to what we're going through right now . so the question is what you learned from an eleanor and how she reacted to all these things to help us through these, what we're going through right now. >> two good answers off the top of my head and one is she made listening part of the job description and i think her listening was very deep and sincere. it was a profound listening to what somebody was thinking and how that might affect the other people in their lives. i think she was like a doctor the way she listened. she listened with her back leaning forward. when doctors in the old days used today diagrams of the rest of the family to understand what kind of bonuses you may have inherited when they were diagnosed, she was a diagnostician and she was wide open, you had to say. i think without question, the

ability to listen is the most important thing today that she would say i think. the other part is hatred is upon us and has been upon us for a while now. in a public way, in a way that was unleashed and it takes people by surprise. eleanor, it took me by surprise and shock to me to find kinds of hatred that she was subjected to her public life starting in her public life as a womanbut particularly her public life as a first lady . she was absolutely reviled because she, people realized in the south where jim crow was in the ascendancy and ku klux klan put a bounty on her head at one point. she experienced the kind of hatred that you heard a bit about and heard during the obama years but that is now out in the street and is part

of the discourse. her ability to let that go, to never react directly to find a way around or away over and a way under sometimes through but i think she was never committed to winning. never committed to making her point be the point that stuck . she was always moving past that and i think movement itself and letting go, moving forward and letting go over the two things she did most often that you don't see much of, enough of now. i think people get stuck. >> thank you. so we're going to turn to some questions that came in from our viewers. >> i gathered three of them together that were sent in

early and i'll get through all three of them asked them myself . it was eleanor college grad, what was eleanor's early education. who influenced eleanor the most. and i you know, i would love you to talk a little about her remarkable experience education. david also fdr's approach to education. he was clearly hunted by doctor nativity and groton school and in a good way. both of them greatly formed by their education. tell us more. >> eleanor was told by her grandmother that if she were to go to college, she would never attract a man area it was that world of thinking that the point of college was to get your mrf degree were simply a few more find tunings for of a debutante if at all that women didn't go

to college in her class. they were not encouraged to. very few did in eleanor's generation although you see law school, there were lawyers ultimately from her generation and women didn't go to college not the women that she came of age with. she went to a boarding school in england that her aunt, her roosevelt aunt anna, anna roosevelt, the sister of theodore roosevelt and gone and become the it girl that you're up under madame cvs read madame sue best is a charismatic frenchwoman who was progressive in her politics. but emphasized one thing above all other witches that a woman needed to learn to think for herself. women were, the idea of education at the time, was thought to actually be harmful eventually to women's health, to a lot of young woman might get ideas. she might get influenced i things she might be, you

might need to send her away to someplace if she got to carry away with this education stuff so this was almost radical in the sense that marie was taking these young women of the aristocracy international and american but particularly international girls who were not being told at home to think for themselves or to say much of anything and she told them not only must they think for themselves but learn how to speak their minds to carry an argument through to defend their part of the argument. skills that today i think our natural, natural to a sixth grader were denied and disapproved up and for young women 15 and older. eleanor went up 15. she stayed with nancy beck who she became, whose favorite she became and that was more of a sense of position almost of a and sort

of a graduate student. it was sort of a almost assistant professor role where she had things to teach younger girls. she hadresponsibilities . she was what she became all her life which was an intermediary. going between the authority and others. she defended various classmates against madame sue that and defended madame sue that to her classmates. she took education as a gift and what she learned there, she brought back and it became a template for her whole life . one of the things she learned there, she blamed herself for later was that nonsuit that standards, high standards declared, she had to learn at the table, at the school how to converse with a grown-up on subjects she knewnothing about . that was a madame approach,

listening to what was being said. picking up details and then coming back with that later in the conversation as if she now knew better or new more than she really did. it's not exactly be asking as we would call it today or, but it was a way of projecting things, projecting herself that she learned later to curtail. she then went back to the books later on and said i'm going to learn from the ground up not just simply take this sort of more diplomatic version. she went back to the united states in 1901 and unfortunately was subjected by her grandmother to the whole range of debutante coming out in society girl rituals and rights. there was horrific to her in large part because of her own parents, she was orphaned by then.

her parents had died and her mother had been in the ascendancy socially among the in new york society. she had lost her father in this scandalous way so that every room she went into she was whispered about either eleanor roosevelt or daughter were and are roosevelt's less attractive daughter. it was, she was shamed. it was a public shaming and also the rituals of that world were really all geared towards matrons are and where you going to play the game of catch and spend . and be involved in all of the dangerous liaisons and edith wharton age of innocence kind of rituals. tribal rituals and rights. she was such an outsider her own life had now created i think the great theme of do i belong and i connected where do i fit in so that when she

met franklin she discovered another outsider and oddball because although franklin came from the roosevelt of hyde park and of the hudson river and have lived a quite magnificent childhood there, it was still princely isolated childhood. he was an only child and his mother sent them to the school late meeting he had lost the years that his peers already had bonding at that very male school the world that he then had to catch up in was a world where he was considered an outsider. when they met eleanor and franklin, i always thought of as the meeting of the oddballs because they were cousins but they were both odd in their among their peers. they were charismatic each of the different way. and could be quite dynamic magnetic but in the world at that time they were both the outsiders in a way. was part of their early attraction, i think. >> i was going to say about

her influence , i think this is bears reading in the book but it also needs that cast of characters but there were in her life when she was an orphan these amps and uncles, in this grand if you've ever seen the magnificent emersons which is a story about a family like balls, turnout was magnificent, now falling down as industrialism and the new world overtakes. she lived in this house orphan on the hudson river looked with an empire and it looks as if it's right out of the magnificent anderson's. and it had in it these ads and uncles were falling down. uncles were quite astonishingly, the tennis champions of their day. when tennis was just starting , they were the earliest champions odds were dazzling beauties of the moment in all

the magazines. they would. >>. >> valentine senior and valentine junior. >> valentine was an amateur actor doubles. when uncle allie and uncle eddie won the doubles championship on the east coast in 1880, they then moved on to the national championship several years later by 1888 i think they were doubles champions but the house was full of their trophies. it was full of all this old passing glory and eleanor was the young responsible one among a group of now quite feckless alcoholic, out-of-control quite kooky, zany, fun. it was not a gothic or horrifying orphan hood. it was more that she saw people falling apart and

learn how to be the almost proxy trustee. she was the one who showed up in court. she was the one who showed up at the police station when uncle valley was one more time had gone on a bender in new york in the tenderloin district and showed up at the station house and officer cookie was on the blower calling tivoli saying you've got to come, someone's got to comeand get them out of here . he was the bane of eleanor's life later on when she was first lady. he was still carrying on their and uncle eddie and his life, also went to see. she was loyal to those aunt and uncles. the ants did so much better than uncles but it was the beginning of her taking what would, they were displaced people that they were displaced people. they didn't know where to go or what to do ultimately and

it was eleanor's job to take care of them and she buried them, each of them. she saw them throughterrible tragedies . shetook care of their children .>> she made sure everyone, the numbers of people and things eleanor would be writing checks for her adult life and the christmas lists. the numbers of individuals thatshe was constantly , she had a sense of responsibility towards was extraordinary. and that was just personal, let alone all the people that applied to in her political world. >> thank you, go ahead. >> we are getting a little bit close to the end. do you want to ask the main question and we will do our final one ? >> you go ahead with one more and i'll do the final. >> we have people who were

named eleanor after eleanor. >> any comment on naming and eleanor? >> keep talking because i got to look for this quickly . >> you might be surprised how many people made that comment when they register. >> i am eleanor because of eleanor. >> and on one second. just one second. >> i kind of keep almanacs. on certain things. i began keeping an almanac of the things that were named for her or after her and here it goes. a rose. in midseason. the holds its pals as it, and alberta, lily. clark, kate, a strawberry.

all bull in a traveling wild west rodeo plane to segregated audiences is. $10 to anyone who can ride eleanor roosevelt for 10 seconds in the 50s. she blew. phantom conspiracy, eleanor club. a spaghetti strap wedding. hard rock, a milwaukee restaurant. and vocational schools. a college in the university ofcalifornia san diego . an honorary delphi for distinguished educators, multiple college buildings including dormitory at rhode island state college. world war ii warplanes is an account roosevelt, blake, the board in a trailer every june 19, 1939, north wellington massachusetts. the american pop music singer ellie greenwich born 1940.

eleanor april 19, 1938. myriad pets including a female basset hound and rhodesian ridge. for fellowships in political science, 80, three miles from san juan puerto rico, almost an abiding the last syllables of her first and last name. the sun downtown whites only in west virginia. only in yosemite national park she held stock with rainbow trout. buildings and us embassies, housing projects, golf courses, golf course hazards including teaching bunkers and especially 360 yard are 416 hole at a suburban chicago country club and the fourth hole at the rhine new york which were called eleanor's teeth. where the bunkers were spread out. a white dolly clock. i think i mentioned the clock

because it's always on the go . that's my naming almanac of eleanor's. >> list will probably grow. the light we do the last question which again as many of them have been is a combination of questions that came in from people and that is was eleanor appreciated by the public during her lifetime or was a great impact only realized after her death and the second half of that question is is her legacy still relevant in today's world? >> i think there's so much pain in the world right now that eleanor is a figure now greater than ever because she was a person who saw pain in others and did try to heal it

could. i think she had the ability to do that. so i think her legacy in the world today, her ability to look into you and for you to see her, connection which sadly isn't, we're not able to do that in real time and still there for people with her when they do connect to and to her spirit is global which became global because it's universal, it's about human beings not seeing that you met somebody else and taking it into yourself. so i think when she was alive , two things happened. it's the strangeness that she was nominated for the nobel peace prize several times but never given. if anyone as the creator, as the chairman, as the supervisor of the universal declaration of human rights document that attempts to bring basic rights to people

in all nations across the globe and serve as an instrument for, those rights going forward, she should have been awarded that honor but life was so full of others, i don't think it mattered to her at all at that never took place, i think she actually would have been the first to say she didn't , it was for her husband's policies or her readout of her husband's policies. in her lifetime, she felt loved i think by people. i think she communicated their love and admiration to her in public. i think people stopped her frequently on the street and where she was and she connected frequently with people. she always gave it over to franklin, her husband.

franklin d roosevelt as president of the united states as the great war leader who did not see the end of the war. gave her an endless decades of widowhood in which she could sidestep what attention might be brought to her by saying she was totally carrying out her husband's legacy. wasn't true. she would deflect when she needed to deflect i think but i think that what she wanted always was connection and what she wanted was belonging and what she wanted was love. i think that she found that in part and yet never wholly and i think that her struggles with that in her ability to finally see herself whole manifested as at the very end of her life where i think she accepted that what she had done was enough and that in her final struggles with tuberculosis, she was able to save herself it's just not who i am to

languish and fade away in an invalid world. i would rather go now and i think that she in recognizing that she had done what she had been put on earth to do, i think she expressed the kind of, there's a my favorite monuments, not that auburn isn't full of great monuments but the author arthur schlesinger's gravestone now there appears there's a bowtie and grape on stone. there are two stones on the other, husband and wife is still in something like that's the love and her son says she tried. and i think eleanor, i think eleanor tried and i think she tried succeeded.

i think she did finally love and i think she was love. i think i need that for herself primarily was a great struggle but i do think that today when you even just rifled through the digital world of eleanor roosevelt both of the inspiration she brings to people even by saying no one can make you inferior without your consent . the future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams . these quotes these ideas are active for people and i think are brought forward by times like the one we're living in where authority is confused as to its role as to how to help and how to bring people into the process that they are alienated from eleanor's main goal i think and her great legacy is to say that your government does belong to you. you do have a role to play it's not just given to you,

it's something you need to get stuck please vote. >> i do. i love eleanor roosevelt my entire life and after reading your book i loved her even more so thank you for that. and i think foursquare books is going tocome back on . >> dd, that was really a pleasure. >> thank you both. i want to extend my thanks all three of you for beth and margaret for coming up with these good questions and for fielding ones, i'm sorry we didn't get to the ones we didn't get to talk about but i'm sure all of us have been happy talking about eleanor roosevelt and david, to you for giving us tremendous work of scholarship and archival work i think any of us who are around our age or even older than us, younger than us, she remains the quintessential first lady when we think of what the

presidents spouse should be like. the one you measure up against as eleanor roosevelt i think this book makes clear why she got to that place and i appreciate your insights into what her history might be able to tell us for the times that we're in now going on 100 years after the beginning of her husband's presidency. i'll remind everyone again that if you click on the bottom you will get the book will be signed by david and thanks everyone again. i'm sorry some people have problems with the platform but this is wonderful and thanks all for joining us. >> every weekend with the latest nonfiction books and authors.tv on c-span2, created by america's cable television companies.

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