time as one road initiative that spent hundreds of millions of dollars the infrastructure of the countries around the world. that starts now on book tv. find more information booktv.org or consult your program guide. >> we are very happy to welcome grace homestead, to talk about her new book called uprooted it's coming out in a couple weeks but you can preorder from amazon. you should front light out, it's an amazing book. this is written for a number of publications including the book of the physical, it's focused on themes deflected in this and also has a remarkable wonderful newsletter, i'm too old to know

exactly but it's wonderful content and circulating around. today we are going to speak about and other little questions, which i think comes up with the core issue for the american character combined with human nature, lay down roots to know what tradition is in a country sometimes the doesn't care about that how they interact and how she comes to where she is so we are going to let you tell us about this book. if you have comments or questions, put it in the chat box to weed out, the initial

presentation and other questions to get us started. we'll go through any questions put in the chat and then we will and with this. grace, if i could leave it off with you, tell us where this book comes from, what kept you going and as you read it, what themes or topics should we be looking at as we read through? >> thank you so much, it's an honor to be with you all to talk to you about this book and i hope if you read it, he will enjoy it and come away themes and ideas that matter so much as i was putting this together. this is a book about an inspired by gratitude.

it's a book written in particular for my late grandfather who we finally called grandpa died. he was in his 90s when i was a child in my fondest childhood memories are of the times i spent with him, listening to his stories, helping shuck corn he grew on his farm for helping old gospel hymns on the piano and he was in his 90s but his mind was incredibly sharp and he loved to tell us stories about his wife, his members of farming pre-tractors, movies he watched as a boy. he lived and died in the same community where he was born and he spent all 90 plus years of his life caring for the same acreage outside of town and

going to the same church and although i knew other young people in our time get out of small rural towns, i find it remarkable grandpa dad shows and blesses the people. in addition to the work he did volunteering in local communities, including local businesses, teaching sunday school and working with the leaders, he always blessed communities with the proxy group. i'd also call him his crop up first group in accordance with proverbs three which commands readers to honor the lord with the firstfruits of all by increase. grandpa dad.just to give it away. he wanted to bless his neighbors, members of the local church and after he harvested, he bring it and we would shuck and cook the corn together. it was a crop he grew for that.

in college, getting away from everything to refresh my mind, one october day in the fall of my junior year, i was jogging along the path and i remember catching the smell of smoke in the air. i remember reading in my tracks because all of a sudden i remembered grandpa dad but it was inappropriate to say i felt grandpa dad because i could feel his presence as if you were standing next to me and i remember his laughter, his voice, his hands and i could hear them saying my name the way he would. it felt as if i had been visited by a ghost almost, the presence

intensely but not seen. i often wondered, the master of those stories that have convinced me i didn't only feel the presence of ghost but regardless, ideal feel his joy in that moment and as i thought about that day, i realized everything i am and have achieved is rooted in his determination to bless future generations of his family in the small farm communities and i began to ask whether i might go something because of grandpa dad's life and his firstfruits. uprooted came to be, the results of the years of reading that follows, the book has personal notes the role it can play

nothing the past into place. i asked for our world might be haunted by the absence of presence is. it begins and ends with the question of what we owe to the past and where we will be. these concepts within the soil of my great grandpa's farm town, it looks to the past and considers history and culture traces legacies of brokenness in his past. the books turns the present generation considers farmers and town people living there, the larger cultural political pressures urging them to either stick place or leave it behind. i think it is important to consider all this because our society has a long history of cultivating and promoting business.

models will be less to populations and argued our country has since been populated, torn apart and rebuilt repeatedly by these groups in various sizes. even while this has played a vital part of our history, he feels as if they have held our cultural megaphone. they settled down and extracted from that place and then leave it behind another way to understand to think of these as consumers for their own gains in our larger throwaway culture. to be and cultivate this in place for future generations, they don't believe in the west the lands we grew up in, it's

exception rather than the rule. many of the people who establish them work for polluters. look at this in places like idaho many aspects of the natural landscape, these are populations, gemstones, timber, soil, silver and gold, just to name a few have been decimated by these cycles throughout decades and centuries. for as long as idaho has been settled, people have come and gone and demand more love than we are able to give. the cycles accomplished and depletion has gone on for so long they often seem normal and accepted this time. he argues in his book why,

liberalism is largely responsible for this destruction as well as the individual incentivize. he writes in his book strategies of the past and obligations for the future are replaced by a nearly universal media gratification. culture rather than imparting wisdom and expanses of the past becomes anonymous with distraction all oriented toward promoting consumption, appetite. it seems this tracks one's ability to leave a place behind. the american dream is about economic transients, the ability to move from poverty and wealth to abundance and american economists, politicians, celebrities and even teachers with mobility and progression and set of mentality.

promising young people, he will go far. our cultural touchstones from disney movies to pop songs generally suggests separation and departure are inherent. they are usually the most transient of us all. the longer true allegiance to a community but rather achieved in isolation by individuals. grow wealth often. we abandon if we are able to. success stories of our own world, i think are generally coast-to-coast or country to country, the last road, it's important to understand that fully conscious of his past, it's difficult to imagine a community that reaches to both the past and the future and has an awareness of inter- general

obligation. a better definition to be a conservative, i think that might be what it is. sadly he wrote most people understand the migratory way of life is the price of getting ahead. richness in the forms of community stewardship beliefs are indispensable, especially in rural communities because in rural towns, and ecological level, soil, plants and animals and most often possible by rooted mutual communities. people and associations who care about permanence, democracy of the dead and unborn that make up our past, present and future. in the middle ages, he notes in his book, a town is more than a simple place of residence, it

was a close association and its members were bound to live up to articles customs. they kept alive sacred obligations of mutual aid, religious space and political responsibility but argues in our own society and capitalism as quantity for quality, process for function, bigness or smallness and transforms intense communities of purpose into these relationships of the marketplace. i think americans compounds are enforced, virtues of these longer than most but they have not disappeared in recent decades especially probably since 1980 farm crisis urging farmers to get back or get out. even during world war ii and after, farmers were told international trade should take

precedence over cultivation of local markets sales, farming no longer was understood as a primarily regional enterprise but rather a global and heavily political enterprise. we created a political and economic disincentive for rural communities not by how well they conserve their own, but by the prophet. when i was working on journalism fellowship, struggles family farming and farm town, i remember i saw a lot of people on this idea of explaining why forms matter for national security or global traders alike. it was weird to find people who believe in rural america or farmers for their own sake, that's how often felt. co-author of the book hollowing out the middle rural americans, she told me she ran into this

problem while working on her book, publisher asked her, what is rural america died? places like new york city and major cities may be so iconic and important, viewed as intrinsically valuable for many considered expendable, valuable not for their own sake but they have resources exported to other places by corporations. rural or small towns or lack thereof, confusion of other states offer them and it's something that's been referred to as economic colonization of rural america. people and cultures are exploited to increase investors.

industrial agriculture is the primary means of rural america colonization because it's extracted emphasizes profit over long-term health. fewer, larger and specialized forms and local markets and input, you can see many rural communities have lost their purpose. from towns increasingly seen in the middle of nowhere, practically nonexistent in the eyes of the larger world that i hope my book will help shine light on the degree to which we have undergone the small farm villages, cultivated in their lifetime and for choose that matter deeply. small farmers built a culture and beliefs values and practices that emphasize responsibility.

his community worked hard to build up job opportunities so kids who grew up there and did their best keep the soil. when a farm community works, it will be neighborly in multi generational, training the next generation with her sons or daughters completely unrelated who want to get a start on the land. he prefers conditions in place, it carries it forward into the future. it's a membership in which i think conservation innovation in which we preserve and protect. the turn-of-the-century to study agriculture in india and suggested soil regenerates through this lifecycle of death and regrowth. suggested we might have as much or more as we take from it. if we deplete the grounds

resources future generations pay the price. my own ancestors were not rich when they first arrived in idaho along with other relatives from kansas who had the idaho beaver, my great-great-grandfather around the turn-of-the-century, he began developing bigger farms outside, a few miles away. the hardships of seed, travel, billing members of the family, they became discouraged. everyone moves back to the heartland except my great great-great-grandparents. staying in place was not easy but they were proud of what they built and while the great depression rolls around, indiana, they open up homes and families in need of shelter.

they didn't have a lot but they had enough to share and serve others in the community when called upon to do so. i think my grandpa dad saw the importance of rootedness in the community just as i learned from him. and down along with virtues kept them strong. farmers can and do abuse the land and exploit natural resources and people surrounding them. they industrialize aquaculture in our day, continued subjugating workers, animal, soil and water's, a desire for larger crops and the soil often are still traces of arsenic and other chemicals the soil. chemicals from past generations continue but there are farmers

currently working in their lifetime to restore that pleaded soil. in my book i asked the reader and myself whether we also ought to think of our lives as nourishing or depleting our own soil, rootedness can reap benefits for future generations or whether consumer and if it is gone lack long after we are gone. ... into either do the money in the opportunity or the desire to leave. people of behind in aging rural towns often see few opportunities for their future

to interact with both social and economic securities. in a place with a brother fight the assumption that they're not enough to do something more with their lives. but i believe these communities can and should of the lives of its inhabitants printed evidence is testament for any incentive of the community members like anyone who has survived generations of hardship, they can be troubled in various places. needs to be in our communities need to be left not for anything that might do for sections of the world but for what they can different down community members. i believe is the only way we can begin to find out the exhortation and that he is there been in the rural homelands unit in a way we can begin to begin to build places that drop newcomers in and the children of the land in place. valuing the local locations just as the people and by keeping the

location at these places to serve others in the population. enter lands have always stewards people who will state attorney feel the broken ground who restore. [inaudible]. and for these future generations. thank you so perhaps less acknowledged to combat that we need to our own sites as well as actually good for us to be rooted in the soil and that are craving the sort of deep embeddedness in place and in the community who they once best rooted in perhaps the most important at least recognize of the soul. and by virtue that we are acting in a natural participation in the life of the community which could certain particular treasures of the past in certain particular vocations for the future printed pope francis in

the speech that he gave in 2002 noted that there is no worse and be in the nation for the feel of rooted longing to know one. fruitful and his people bear fruit and give birth to the future. only to be in fostering a sense of belonging among its members and create bonds of innovations between generations in different communities. and avoid all that and sensitive to others and lead to further institutions. [inaudible]. we cannot view ourselves apart from the communities for that even while obvious distinctions can be made between our body and other bodies and our body in the world is all these things that appear to be hard nevertheless and network of mutual dependence and influence that is the substantiation of the community to such a beautiful box for

anybody so community and world are also susceptible to each other's influence and conductors have each other's influence. our health is inseparable from health of our's others. in the work of being held back to these communities would be a consent difficult work that will be probably require several generations needed to reestablish the local cultures, restrengthen our sense of communal memories and reanimate traditions. in bringing back males often require the part of both conservative and progressive over the social political and economic atmosphere we have created in our country and how does operate the difficult to land a good life. [inaudible]. should grapple with rather this argument that capitalism is especially prone to fostering the vision of the hit thomas movement of individuals per unit hereof that capitalism great

system is each individually energy and production rather than members of a society party place. mother does mean that we both a lot of wealth over the course of our history, as a means to be ignoring deeper spiritual and communal needs and broken down social class and so often support communal help. and for their partners that affected individually, this self-actualization is not enough to foster happiness and well-being on their own. federal government means of its citizens and human create membership within those localities and associations and rather than building a cultural or political environment that would foster this sort of belonging liberalism has historically done the opposite. and i think we can do a lot in rural america might much of the investing in the individuals like francis giving subsidies to individual farmers particular

farming families but also by looking to generations and groups and networks that support them that could involve protecting farmers and agricultural providing helping generations to the next. revitalizing struggling downtowns, and countless other measures that are also dysfunction for connecting members of the local community and enabling them to help and support each other. i think reform can also happen by investing our capitals and stewardship long-term care rather than temporary process. if francis the usda for private actors invest the majority of the funds in regenerative programs rather than cash flows subsidies. it would make a massive statement about her priorities as a country whether we want to invest in short-term profit or long-term fidelity. it would also require people to stay in place and cultivate something for the long haul. and also i think we have an

incredibly difficult work ahead of us we need to reanimate people's love the place. we need to make root great again. and convinced him people it's a good to live in a quiet provincial place. and this is any ways but they have done his entire life in his essays novels and poems printed he suggests to me that it is perhaps and foremost the work of poetry and art and drawing the souls of men and women towards homecoming by animating their imaginations when they are allowed. and i think that these examples can awful say big or play big part in the story and the career is not for his example devotion of space i would not have written this book. so i think that each of us can it would to service industries inspiration to others to love places well. in my mind former speaking of the importance should not be

about nostalgia. there is a place for nostalgia and he can be a good thing. but i think that in some ways, it can also be formative and distraction from the actual things that we should be forming in with think that i know in my book is the loving place for loving it for what it is and all of its brokenness and seeking to address to reform those things rather than to ignore them. anything less is not love. an affair that would just create something that would prevent them from truly knowing and serving a living landscape as well. and as for me around like, don't yet whether the opportunity to move i hope to someday. is my job and circumstances allow the most committed to as well is unlabeled as a transplant to hopefully tempt stewardship and love in virginia while my time here. i hope it's a helpful message to all those people who perhaps

cannot have a home to return to. but all of us are called to homecoming but i think all of us can live a more rooted life. >> thank you that was wonderful. i do want to catch up on a couple things you said which as an example going back home. at one point in time people relatively famously article that assumed that you agree the free market model. so that is what happens. if it's an intention to scantily. but that is a human design system for certain purposes, certain common goods it's just sort of happened. and destroyed town this a buddy like on my favorites bill - he

said a lot of large part of his life outside of his hometown and he grew up in in upstate new york. as i know i'm going back rated in that town is just as rich and moving on important stories they can write about but i can rewrite point on children hundred here with the premarket models are supposed to say. i'm going back. sunny side of that story and what questions about what was the governmental institutions teach and it reminded me of an island to go to sometimes in the summer in maine. in one point, then high school principal come in and basically said, you don't need to leave this island. high school graduates. you go find another job somewhere. in the families were like, you

should not be paying him to teach them to leave us. and then people said in a friend of mine expect me that sometimes there's a rotation if you feel like you need to be a medical doctor in certain time, it can only be done in certain cities or whatever. if you feel you either your skills or your gift or whatever it is that we have to go. that is something. but just to give them a lesson that you don't belong here, is too small or whatever. that is not or that is a lesson that someone can change and say no, were going to teach you have to survive and maintain in this community. i didn't see it in your book make talk about this, there is a governmental driver in addition to the corporate markets. they were together in this way. to say that we want you away from your community and part of the reason is that then we have

more control of you. we can turn you into a consumer and to the point where you're making report entry can join our community near big town but maybe maybe they only agree with that you can't go to a place is less virtuous for love is good and bad. [inaudible]. do you think those obstacles are you semi- take time and there's the kinds of messages on the progressive about the small communities and one small community should be. those are things that still have to be surmounted. grace: absolutely and it's interesting. sarah marsh is a writer from kansas has written a memoir called heartland and written a lot about her own experiences as

someone who grew up on a farm in kansas and stayed in kansas is a native of that place one of the things she argues as we all too often defined value of living in a place only by economic profit. support for the measure will be arguing that small town behind if you're not going to be able to proceed up the ladder to greater economic success. or perhaps within whatever realm of your profession. if not able to gather your prestige as you write on your arm work and writings. that could also be an argument. but she said what are we measuring and valuing by are we able to include image. to look at the night sky and live in close proximity to one's family. there's all of these other

fundamentals and they're just not getting taken into account. perhaps they're not because you can't measure them very well. but generally. and on the things that you can measure its quantitative rather than quality. so in terms of the way the government often times impacted the communities, one thing that i talk a lot about my book is the way the farm bill the u.s. department of agriculture really tries to get more people off of the land. in the early 20th century up until 1970s and 80s and beyond. there is a message that were too any people farming they wanted to consolidate land. in any instances, the farm villages and communities and made it so that instead of being able to rely on each other for support, farmers increasingly had to look to the state and

federal government and only enter an order to give them the emergency up and they needed whether through crop insurance or subsidies or the beginning of crops to market because there were no longer being grown for local industries that were selling them to then the consumers everything was then at a scale model. and that left out the village. and we stray from individual farmers to the states. i these interesting how kind of first a lot of this runabout it in his quest for community and other bridge down into the intermediary institutions and associations. where individuals are completely reliant on the state for all of their goodness that they need in order to have this but it is a growth. it does not have the community solidarity and support in the beauty of the village that they have.

sue and i think that's exactly right. not only should you depend on the government, it does separate you out of all of your natural connections the dark to the government and do think that is a very maybe at the time was well-intentioned or whatever but at the end of the day, resulted in a lot of people having little to rely on rated at the farm level and people as you said, you should be farmers anymore, now scattered everywhere else. and shouldn't the government policy at least take that into account and not just a one international farming community that we have see the world and you do that we want to see where constituents want to meet. that analysis and a lot of your book, it struck very deeply to me even though i am not that person from the midwest. he grew up in brooklyn which

although no one believes this but in 1970, and the 80s a lot of tiny communities. who stuck together forever. and there was something in the 70s and 80s 90s, there was some ruminative baking things more expensive free to new york's city was doing the same thing and even bigger attraction to the capitol. people started to leave because they cannot afford to live there anymore. and were breaking up those communities that have been there for a long time. and one reason why you said little bit of this in the book, people sometimes choose careers and jobs even if it's a place is not so attracted to them, so that they can stay near their families.

i could be when i was 26, i wanted to be a professor. but that was not going to keep me in new york. which is where i wanted to be. and so had to try to do something else in new york city, to be better or worse, the city that informs a lot of opportunities. mostly for the worse but when i was here before, my family was here and at least for me is how it was. so the other question that i was thinking of asking is a new invention mentioned to this enterococcus that do you think that wanting to maintain the community habits, no matter where you might be, is that specifically in result of your experience or is that something that you think that if you talk to them that is mostly what people want for even if they know they can't go back home.

most of them don't really want to come to a big city forever. the ring told us what they should do. the quantum tainted measures. so do you think it really depends on when they have grown up what is a matter matches when people what they care about and that's what they need to be encouraged to do. grace: that's an interesting question. i think families come from the place and you live and probably make that inner voice stronger or weaker. and i do think is right is probably in their longing just to be rooted. if you have perhaps in a situation we've been constantly thinking back on curious whether that would make it much more difficult to the steward to hear that longing into express it because of what the examples i

draw upon in order to make it real. you don't have that in your experiences. for a lot of people, if they have the examples to draw on relative to which they had the rooted this happened in some of it was actually an enjoyable life for them. and it makes it feel more possible. think the average american lives in the realm of 11 - 20 times in their lifetime. so we've had a culture to move about quite a bit. where's a lot of our historically did not have those same inclinations whether because they was in the land it was kept in place for longer. as part of their inheritance. i think actually americans in part because we don't have the same aristocratic nature that

are european people had predeceased greater wealth and were used to moving about and were very discontent with infarctions then not always lasting but i think when you look at the actual health of our towns and are landscapes, you can see the toll and that is taking. gerald: and i think all of that is true. i would say the general but although not always the americans to come and move around to be different than some of what you described in this book which is a government agency is telling you not to do this. this is what the corporate organizations are telling you the consumer should be and why you shouldn't move around. or stay at home. also what is going on the desire but tends to have more of a detrimental effect. because they are together. i think that is exactly right.

the me ask a question has come in of how do you think or hope or expect people who live will in this book for you talk about this. was the challenge about writing about maybe not your great-grandfather but other people in town. and do you think or what you think the reactions might be. grace: i hope that it will be positive. i tried to do a very careful job of writing this respectfully of every person that i wrote about. i speak from their experience of using their own words for unit talking to people multiple times. so i wasn't just showing up in the story than just leaving. but is much as i was able to keep in touch and cultivating

the relationship and having the view of the life and what they're going through. so i'm sure they will disagree with me on some things. but that's inevitable. and assure that any time that i am available perhaps that's under animal. but to the utmost of my ability i tried to write a picture that was loving and compassionate and they took into account the experiences of people as a whole rather than just giving a snapshot of the moment in time that that whatever my point was going to be. so i really do hope that shines through. i've also been able to share the entire book with my family members and i was really busting their feedback and help. so that is wonderful as well. my grandpa wally is responsible for a lot of this historical

family information so i'm really grateful to him for sharing all of that time with me. gerald: that is great. and someone else is written in saying that they are watching for living in vermont. that's gone through consolidation of school districts because the population is getting small. there's a lot of concern of how the move the organization and causing loss of community identity. and now places are being absorbed pretty can you tell us either emmett or the state organization what it looks like printed the things consolidating it these bigger places. will they have to travel further whatever the sample might be. and do those communities still have their own specific community schools are they getting bigger to accommodate and if your kids to get involved in one spot.

grace: i know they have a high schools middle schools and one interesting thing that is happening the cover later on in my book is that this area is actually suburban i think because they're incredibly incredibly popular to move to right now. so kind of a mixed lesson there in the sense that missing people but farmland itself is being a key builder and an astronomical rate. and i think the specific say that somewhere of upwards of 60 percent of its farmland can be gonna in several decades. that's a problem that we need to grapple with in terms of thinking about the land that we been given and had a steward and build well. so that even as we welcome these people and, were not losing the land is that we been given. but in terms of the school districts, and they struggle to

get on past the improvements from the local schools in one of my favorites things which didn't actually make it into the book mainly because his local telling me about the school houses. how back in the day, he remembers how they would walk to school and is much more of a village atmosphere in which the town itself of breaking it down into these very minute regions. in these families interconnected by the school houses and where they were on the bench outside of town or nearby be curious places now they each have their own character because of that very dense school system. so i know that some of that has been lost for sure. gerald: new passage about taking of the land and they got closer to emmett is heartbreaking. as i was reading it. so a couple or another question

so, if you can provide more details about between the desire for that may be some level of capitalism or liberalism or not necessarily is the question can be maintained in good of what capitalism can do. it is in handmade people for more able to live. and at the same time, ball fostering a place of community for one or the other. >> is a very difficult question. let's be honest and say i don't feel entirely qualified to answer that freighted i really appreciated the work of people to look at what it would be like

to look at our situation in terms of a monopoly. it any of which are fed by capitalism. there is a situation in which the government in any ways enables the growth. these large monopolies and they feed off each other. that's something that we could be finding better and if they were to happen, we might actually be more open and free market in which smaller players local industry clusters would be allowed to hopefully rise back up to the service. and i that would be interesting to explore and i was recently talking to somebody who grew up in pennsylvania on a farm and at my next book are should write should be about how actually capitalism and the help of small family farms are compatible. is our opinion. [laughter]

i have to do a lot more research before unable to come to any sort of thing on that. gerald: i was just thinking about in light of the question, don't think there are necessarily incompatible but you have to prioritize the goods that you want and if people want to live in a capitalistic life, they committed chicago but don't impose it on anybody else printed with those communities live out the way they want. it's a big country. what i drew from the book was that this, a lot questions a lot but a certain amount of driving factors were basically policies and perspectives that these people wanted impose of the whole country rated in your comment about people knew the farm and about who cares about the farms or whatever. it's a perspective, they should

then say, were going to have fewer farm owners. there will be our policy. i think that there may be some ability for that but it's unclear. so i'm to ask you a question before you leave. you do have a comment in an interview in the coalition . [inaudible]. at the end i would like to hear how you found him and what you thought about his writing or if you remember. grace: i searched for his work in college and it immediately resonated with me and i got level. i think often times certain work can through their printed word do this printed one of my favorite books from him is he found himself a conservative and began to reflect on this.

i can relate to that very deeply because i think because of my of of's upbringing and by what i think one of the very things at one point by osmosis these cultural traditions that we often times on a spiritual or subconscious level before the wood become fully clear our heads. but then as i began to begin to extract those thoughts, verbally for on the page, began to see how much they had informed by character my view of the world. the importance of order and avert years of modesty and prudence and the importance of distributed him. there's so much that he has written in these various essays and written word that has continued to form what i think about the world. and i think he's continued to be

vitally important to restoring and reforming conservatism today. i think it would be wonderful advice to go ahead and spend another book talking about the words of russell kirk. and very thankful for the work he does. just making sure the more people reading him in understanding the importance of this. gerald: thank you and it's you should say that. we come from different background, as a city kid, i read is working to his me exactly who i wanted to read because of what he was saying as part of my lived experience but nobody was talking about it. not in new york city. i first learned of him in college and same thing that this makes much sense to me. so if i continue to read him, and i got to hear him speak a

couple of times. he is really great. so want to make sure that we have time and do you want to say something towards the end. grace: yes. thank you for covering so any different topics. i just wanted to say a couple of things for those of you are new to the park center. the center continues the work and russell kirk center. and so any books that he is written. consensually transmit and adhere to the guiding of learning. and then in that way to aid in the cultural renewal. i just will let you know that we have a regular print just twice year actually, it's called permanent thanks and is sign up for it on the website or if you just send me an e-mail at kirk center .org and give me your

mailing address you will get that out to you. i wanted to mention that the kirk center is in michigan. anybody is been there, my dad calls in a romantic ghost town. a lot of empty stars and abandoned the family farms are needed and somehow is romantic and my grandfather's eyes. full-time, he travels for c and and speaking engagements and things like that. but something said struck me because i can't actually call it the middle of nowhere. it's actually essentially in the center of michigan. so they affectionately call it that. so i can understand the connection with the various

places in the rural area and kind of a lot of us towns that when my dad settled there, a lot of people had a boom and bust cycle. and they force the trees in my dad said that his ancestors were finding some of those trees that area. he working in the time when he was young, even trying there but unfortunately there's a lot of passing away there and that was contributing factor to the fact that there's not really a lot of, which i say, not but things happening there in a global way. there is some traffic there. but there is a lovely bookstore there, new book start. and i'm happy to say my brother-in-law and my sister felicia had just bought the old what used to be snow queens in our town. this spring it will reopen.

it's mostly ice cream. a small coffee shop and things like that so were hoping to bring people back in. so when you come in there income to the russell kirk center, that's actually the home and library of my parents, my mother is still there. and he keeps that since a rooted unit so my dad, obviously was a very important person for both in terms of intellectual history of the idea of cultural inheritance that way as well as the actual physicality of locality of it. i went on longer than i expected. but there are so any different things and i just wanted to pull out as well. so thank you. grace: thank you printed. gerald: thank you very much and thank you for coming in and talking to us.

i think you should rush right out and get them up. thank you again for spending the time with us and talking about this book and the importance of the things he put in here. >> speech of thank you all so much for coming in listening and thank you so much for the work you do cecelia for including me tonight. gerald: thank you. bye-bye. >> fight. you're watching book tv, on c-span to predict every weekend it with the latest nonfiction books and authors. hope tv on "c-span2", created by america's cable television company. today brought to you by the television company, to provide book tv to viewers is a public service. here are some programs to look out for this weekend it on the tv. tonight on her author interview

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