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[inaudible conversations] >> we showed should the f the minneapolis "star tribune," the headline community on average as jury deliberates in derek chauvin trial. the case had to jury after closing argument wrapped up yesterday.

>> we have power. we cannot convict the defendant. the judge has power. but he cannot convict the defendant. that power, that power belongs to you. you have that power and only you have the power to convict the defendant of these crimes, and in so doing, and in so doing declare that this use of force was unreasonable. it was excessive. it was grossly disproportionate. it is not an excuse for the shocking abuse that you saw with your own eyes. and you can believe your own eyes. this case is exactly what you thought when you saw it first, when you saw the video. it is exactly that. you can believe your eyes.

it's exactly what you believed. that's exactly what you saw with your eyes, it's exactly what you knew. it's what you felt in your gut. it's what you now know in your heart. this wasn't policing. this was murder. the defendant is guilty of all three counts. all of them. and there's no excuse. >> host: the state yesterday and for derek chauvin it was attorney eric nelson talking about what the state must prove to convict his client. >> no crime is committed if a police officers actions were justified by the police officer's use of reasonable force in the line of duty in effecting a lawful arrest or preventing an escape from custody. that kind and degree of force a

police officer may lawfully use and executing his duties is limited by what a reasonable police officer in the same situation would believe to be necessary. any use of force beyond that is not reasonable. to determine if the actions of the police officer were reasonable, you must look at those facts which a reasonable officer in the same situation would have known at the precise moment the officer acted with force. you must decide whether the officer's actions were objectively reasonable in light of the totality of the facts and circumstances confronting the officer, and without regard to the officers own subjective state of mind, contingent or motivations. the defendant is not guilty of a crime if the use force as authorized by law, and to prove

guilt, the state must prove the prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant's use of force was not authorized by law. so you remember from my opening statements and how i talked about reason and common sense. the reasonable police officer standard. i want to just briefly add one thing here, is the standard is not what should the officer have done -- >> it's not what could the officer have done differently in these circumstances. the standard is what were the facts that were known to this officer at the precise moment he used force, and considering all of the totality of circumstances and facts known to the officer,

would a reasonable police officer -- what would a reasonable police officer have done? >> host: eric nelson, attorney for derek chauvin with his argument near the end of those proceedings yesterday, not soon after the case and the two that 12 member jury. they will remain sequestered until they reach a verdict or become deadlocked. two nuggets about the case yesterday in the arguments throughout the past couple weeks from the "wall street journal" story about it today including closing arguments attorneys at the trial showed about 166 s of video taken from bystanders, please bodycare ms. kuster street cams and convenient store surveillance footage of the course of the trial according to a "wall street journal" analysis. for the first time yesterday during the trial mr. chauvin removed his mask so the jury could see his face as mr. nelson began his closing arguments. getting a reaction to this closing arguments and asking you

do think derek chauvin is guilty, not guilty, unsure? phone lines for each of those thoughts as we hear from james on the line for those who think he's guilty. spring valley, new york, good morning. >> caller: good morning. >> host: go ahead. >> caller: yes. i have digitally i feel like feel like he's guilty. i mean, i'm going to believe what i saw. i don't know that much about court but when i heard the defense attorney tried to put in a little doubt, that sounds like it should be illegal to make up stuff. i mean, like i said, the little i know about court, , i got it from tv. i thought the prosecution did an excellent, excellent job. >> host: how much of the case did you end up watching, james? >> caller: i watched the whole

thing. i watched the whole thing and then i listened to the so-called experts in the evening. i tend to agree with what heard a few of them safe. if the jury don't come back today, you know, today, that it's going to be a problem. >> host: james in new york. harold out of topeka, kansas, of life for those who say not guilty. good morning. >> caller: i apologize upfront i probably should've been on the unsure line. i haven't had the opportunity to watch enough of the case to know. like the previous caller says he watched the people at night talk about it. i don't think you get a straight shot there. what i would like to say is if you look at a lot of these cases they did not follow commands. i'm begging people out there, that's what you need to do when police to get a command, follow it. that's within media narrative needs to be, to teach our young people to follow the command you

are given. not as questions, not try to jump back in your car, not try to resist arrest and hopefully to stay alive. >> host: harold in kansas. also unsure barrel in delaware with us. good morning. >> caller: good morning. i i think i would like to say first of all the reason i'm calling on the not sure line is this isn't proven into guilty i have jury of your peers because the jewish responsibility to ensure -- [inaudible] to the court system will decide if derek chauvin is guilty or innocent. what i'd like to do is ask everybody to imagine, look at what's happened recently with representative waters going to minnesota. she's a representative from california, going to minnesota and telling the crowd that if

they don't get the verdict they want, to get more confrontational. let's go back a few years and flip the script here and let's say we have a white representative from minnesota travel to california and telling a crowd that if we don't get the right verdict in the o.j. simpson trial, that we should get confrontational. everybody take a moment and think about that and understand something, that in this country you are innocent until proven guilty by a jury of your peers. this is the system we have. if you don't like the system, the replacement will be terrifying. we all need to take a step back and appreciate what we have, because we don't take the time to appreciate what we have, once it's gone we will -- the consequences. >> host: congresswoman maxine waters comments getting a lot of attention both in the courtroom, in the media on the floor of

congress yesterday. here's the "new york post" front page found this morning, mad maxine is a headline. judge says children case could be thrown out on the field because of waters threats. your other words that waters said when she went up to minnesota and was talking with protesters about the children case, saying if we don't get a guilty verdict we cannot go away. we got to stay on the streets. we've got to be more active. we've got to be more confrontational. we've got to make sure that they know that we mean business. as the caller noted, that issue is coming up in the courtroom yesterday. it was after the case was given to the jury that derek chauvin said attorney asked the judge about those comments saying that it could be something to consider in throwing out the case. here's that the exchange with the judge and attorney. >> this is the problem, right? and why i have felt that this jury should have been

sequestered from the very beginning. so i had moved based on that again for a mistrial. this id is it is a public trial. i think the court has accomplished that, but the media attention is so profound and as such, i mean, it is such a modern comparison, such a modern problem to have where literally i walked from this courtroom into the courtroom where i have been permitted to stay, during the course of this trout i've received literally thousands and thousands and thousands of e-mails. so much so that i don't even look at that particular e-mail anymore. but my phone gives me alerts on things that just happen. i mean, you can't avoid it and it is so pervasive that it is, i just don't know how this jury,

it can really be said to be that they are free from the taint of this. now that we have u.s. representatives threatening acts of violence in relation to this specific case, it's mind-boggling to me, judge. >> i'll give you that congresswoman waters may have given you something on appeal that may result in the whole trial being a return, but what the states position? >> the states position first and foremost, and this is a concern i raised at the beginning of the proceedings well into jury selection, is that we can't allow statements like this to be considered a part of the record. >> host: hennepin county district judge peter cahill going on to reject the mistrial request saying, quote, a congresswoman safina really doesn't matter a whole lot, but it's getting a lot of attention today as we wait the juries

decision in the trial. this from the "washington times," judge maxine waters protest coal could mean a whole trial overturned. willie annapolis, maryland, on the line for those is a derek chauvin is guilty. good morning. >> caller: yes, i think is most definitely guilty and the reason i think he is guilty as the fact that you can see with this guy was doing when he was choking this guy. is somebody there? >> host: i'm listening to you. >> caller: i think it was obvious to guilty. i heard a couple of callers talking that what we should a bit with officer do. are we and nazi germany our democracy? it sounds like these people are very much, these couples callers are in denial. if somebody else, i hate to say from what you meant it would be a total coverage of black officers did the same think this guy did. yes his guilt and the statement of maxine waters yash is a congresswoman but what about our president citing a right at the nation's capital? i'm afraid if we keep this up we

got enough problems with terrorist. we saw what happened at the capital. you're going to turn these black communities full agenda people into very fertile ground for international terrorists if we're not careful. >> host: that's willie in maryland. this is susan from south dakota. you are next. >> caller: good morning. i wanted to just point out what i feel is the most obvious from the beginning of this, and that is that there are, regardless of what happened before that all ended on the ground, there are three police officers on top of this one man, and mr. chauvin has his hand in his pocket. how nonchalant he is about the whole scenario. i mean, it's not just a police responsibility. it is a human responsibility. we know the famous words i can't breathe. where was the concern on the

other officers that were on top of him? where was there any common sense in any of them it's okay, let's prop him up. it's just absolute commonsense and now this whole appeal or mistrial thing that, we all knew from the beginning this was very publicized, and for them to take this last-ditch effort to say now let's just forget all this information we've all attained through this trial, it's absolutely ridiculous. >> host: susan, the jury is sequestered now, the 12 member jury consisting of two white men, four white white women, free black men, one black women, two jurors of of mixed race sequestered now. do you think they should've been sequestered throughout the trial? >> caller: i do believe that is true. we all know what to expect from this. this is going to be a very

national issue to everyone involved, whether you're black or white, i don't care. this is a white -- i just think at this point it's a little bit late. >> host: susan south dakota. summit new jersey the life of those who are unsure what happened. how much of the trial did you end up watching? joe? are you with us? one more shot, joe. we will go to silvio out of virginia in edmond virginia on dublin life for those who say he's guilty. go ahead. >> caller: yes, i feel he is. he shows no remorse at all, and i feel he has a lawyer gene, dre know so well on tv says some people have lawyer genes, some of them become soldiers and send up in depth in prison. i think he went too far. he did know when to stop and i

think he didn't listen to the crowd and he didn't help him when he wasn't breathing. i watched way too much of it but he should've turned him over and he should've done cpr right away. >> host: why do you think you watched way too much of the trial? >> caller: way too much. it just was so bad. it was nauseating. i feel that, i don't feel -- he had a good lawyer but the lawyer could not give us reasonable doubt that he could get off. i mean, he's guilty. he couldn't even say anything for himself. he had to plead the fifth, you know. it was just horrible turn it was friday derek chauvin declined to testify invoking his fifth amendment right to informed self incrimination as the defense rested its case last week and closing arguments yesterday. getting your thoughts on the "washington journal" as we await a verdict from the jury.

here's how we split up our phone lines this morning. 202-748-8000 if you think he is guilty of murder or manslaughter in the death of george floyd. 202-748-8001 adcs not guilty. >> translator: if you say that you are not sure about where this case goes here as you continue to call in, some sad news this morning from both ends of pennsylvania avenue. palmer vice president walter mondale the liberal icon the associate press rights we lost the most lopsided presidential election after bluntly telling voters to expect a tax increase if you won, died yesterday. he was 93. the death of the former senator come ambassador and minnesota attorney general announced in a statement from his family, no cause was cited. his cry for the widest in 1984 came at the zenith of ronald reagan's popularity. the ap writes his selection of congresswoman geraldine ferraro of new york as his running mate made in the first major party presidential nominee to put a

woman on the ticket. he carried only his home state in the district of columbia. the election vote was 525-13. the biggest landslide in the electoral college since franklin roosevelt defeated landed in 1936 by margin of 523-eight. axios in the reporting as the farewell letter that walter mondale who wrote to ms. former staffers since upon his death on monday thanking them for the years of work. here's what fritz mondale wrote to his staffers. dear team, while my time has, i'm eager to be joining joan and eleanor. before i go i want to let you know how much you mean to me. never has a public servant has a better group of people working at their side. together with accomplished so much and i know you'll keep up the good fight. joe in the white house certainly helps. i always knew would be okay if i arrived someplace and was greeted by one of you. i best to all of you, fritz.

walter mondale dead yesterday aged 93. back to your phone calls this morning asking about the derek chauvin case. i would like for those who think he is guilty, , not guilty, and not sure. ronald says he's not sure out of lawton oklahoma. good morning. how much of the trial did you end up watching? >> caller: for the much watched most of the trial. not all of it. turned away from it a lot but i would get back to it and watch. and then there were other clips that i watched from cbs, cnn and abc. >> host: why do you feel you're still not sure where this should fall? >> caller: the only reason i say that is because i'm not the judge, i'm not the jury, and neither is the jury. the jury is not the judge of this man. god is the judge of this man. there are certain things that

are said that shouldn't be said, especially what maxine waters. maxine waters knew better. she really did. she still opens her mouth, but it's okay. god is going to take care of everything. >> host: that's ronald in oklahoma. this is ray, ithaca, new york, says derek chauvin is not guilty. guilty. go ahead tragic i think not guilty just because i have a reasonable doubt. i'm not saying he's innocent but i do think there's a reasonable doubt in our system when there is reasonable doubt you have to vote not guilty. >> host: more from eric nelson attorney for derek chauvin. his argument for reasonable doubt in that trial in closing arguments yesterday here's eric nelson. >> there's lots of one deaths that could of happened, -- what yes, what should it happen, lots of them and lots of regards. we have to analyze this case on the perspective of the reasonable police officer at the

precise moment with the totality of the circumstances when it comes to use force. we have to look at the cause of death to determine did mr. floyd died exclusively of his six-year, or were there other contributing factors? that were not the natural result of mr. chauvin acts? things that happened it was set in motion before mr. chauvin ever arrived. drug ingestion, right? the bad heart, the diseased heart, the hypertension. all of these things existed before mr. chauvin arrived. the struggle, what role did the struggle play? we know based on a per incident that mr. floyd's heart was beating 219 over 160 in a

situation where he was confronted by police and had ingested drugs. he didn't die that day. all of this, ladies and gentlemen of the jury , all of this, when you take into consideration the presumption of innocence, the presumption of innocence and proof beyond a reasonable doubt, i would submit to you that it is nonsense to suggest that none of these other factors had any role. that is not reasonable. and when you as members of the jury conclude your analysis of the evidence, when you review the entirety of the evidence, when you review the law as written and you conclude all

within this, all within a thorough, honest analysis, the state has failed to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. therefore, mr. chauvin should be found not guilty. of all counts. >> host: derek chauvin attorney eric nelson wrapping up his closing arguments yesterday. derek chauvin facing three charges including second-degree murder also called unintentional murder or felony murder. it means killing someone in the course of committing another felony. in this case prosecutors arguing that mr. chauvin was assaulting mr. floyd. the other charge, third-degree murder, that murder charge, death that occurs when someone is acting extremely dangerous and without regard to human life and second-degree manslaughter is the third charge derek chauvin is facing, death by quote culpable negligence in which the perpetrator knowingly risks causing death or serious

harm. those are the three charges facing derek chauvin, courtesy of the "new york times" wrapping at what those charges are. the jury now in its second day of deliberations after handing, the trial was handed to them late yesterday. we're taking your calls this morning. keith is in fargo, north dakota, the life of those who say guilty. good morning. >> caller: yeah. my nephew when he was young, like i don't know six or seven, whatever, and his karate instructor choked, showed on another guy there is a pressure point on your neck. and the person he put the pressure on the neck and the person passed out. now, if you're holding it too long, to me, the pressure on the

neck from the cops need leaning on him, and i really feel sorry for that cop. he needs to go to jail. that's my opinion. >> host: that's keith and north dakota. some of your comments via facebook and twitter and/or text messaging service. this is john saying if mr. chauvin 30 students of the work why would knowingly? it was on so many cameras. manslaughter at most is what john says. raymond think i watched the trial. i would vote to convict. the video says it all he is guilty of second-degree murder. larry from milford michigan says innocent. the threats from out-of-control mops shouldn't convict an officer just doing his job. take your calls, thoughts this morning as we show you some of what happened yesterday during the closing arguments of the derek chauvin case. if you want to watch it on

chicken watch the case in its entirety at our website at c-span.org. among those who spoke for the state yesterday minnesota special assistant attorney general jerry blackwell. here's some of his remarks from yesterdays closing arguments. >> i'm going to start talking about what i call the 46 witness. you have heard from 45 witnesses understand but there is a 46 witness, this witness was testifying to you before you got her to the courtroom. they testified over everybody else's testament on the stand. it's the only witness that will be talking to you when you're back in the deliberation and that witness is common sense. common sense. we will continue talking with you all the while because while you have heard hours and hours and hours of discussions here in the closing, ultimately it really isn't that complicated and what it is you have to decide with respect to the excessive use of force and the

issue of causation. a fact that is so simple that a child could understand. in fact, a child didn't understand when the nine-year-old girl said, get off of him. that's how simple it was. get off of him. common sense. why is it necessary to continue applying deadly restraint to a man who is defenseless, who is handcuffed, who is not resisting, who was not breathing, who doesn't have a pulse, and are going to do that for another three minutes before the english shows up, and then continue doing it. ..

it's just after 7:30 on the east coast and we're asking you how do you think the jury should decide in the case, rochelle says not guilty, go ahead >> caller: i agree with a couple of colors before that god will be the judge of this and you have to reach the point of reasonable doubt . this police officer was trained and in the tactics that he used and in called somebody. the point of this is this person was on drugs . i know they disclosed some of the amounts but maybe they don't know all the amounts of the drugs he was using and i look at it that you don't know how far this man would have gone and kept fighting and fighting which would have made his heart condition and everything worse it's just like a little baby.

sometimes you have to wrap them real tight with swaddling close to get themto calm down . i look at it the same way. this man brought this on himself. there was drug abuse and his actions and we can'tkeep beating up police officers every day and sending out moms to attack and attack their families . we have law in this country and it needs to be upheld and we need to lift up our officers and pray for them and to continually let mobs in this country rule is not what america is about.see one iris in virginia,this is from usa today . the jury has reached a verdict when it comes, cities bracing for violence as the jury rules in the case and from today's washington times focusing on law enforcement separation for unrest after the chauvin verdict noting that some 3000 national guardsmen are activated in

minnesota, in minneapolis. the washington times focusing on the dc response as well. officials said monday they requested national guard assistance following the outcome of the chauvin trial. the trial restricted officers and put them all in preparation possible unrest in the wake of the verdict that's from the washington times . scylla newburgh new york, using derek chauvin is guilty . >> caller: i do say that mister chauvin is guilty and for the caller from virginia, nobody is going after police officers. we're going after bad police officers. when the crowd went after those police officers, that was wrong . and they should have been, okay? they should be prosecuted to the extent of the law. this officer sat on this man for nine minutes 29 seconds

not fighting. a lot of people struggle with drug abuse in this country. a lot of white people. they do not get killed when a police officer is called. he should never havestayed on. he wasn't worried about crowd because he didn't even look at them . not once. he wasn't worried about traffic was if he was he wouldn't have stayed in traffic for nine minutes 29 seconds. it's a bunch of baloney, okay ? you can't keep killing black people and just getting away with. it's wrong. >> host: james campbell florida, you are next. >> caller: on with the caller from new york. i think he's guilty and i do think his lawyer is doing an okay job but chauvin is guilty. these really guilty. for 9 and a half minutes he

had his knee on the man's neck. common sense, 6 and a half minutes the man was already dead and he still had his knee on the man's neck for three moreminutes . he's guilty as hell. >> host: how much of the trial did you watch? >>caller: i watched almost all of it, i come home in the afternoon . he is guilty. he has no remorse. you see how he had his hands in his pocket, like he just didn't give a damn. it's crazy how people can sit here and think he is not guilty. that officer is guilty. >> host: that's james in tampa. a few more tweets, this of you are saying argument that floyd had previously existing conditions or injected drugs, these are anything an officer would have to assume his potential issue. it underscores negligence rather than the period is from massachusetts, how does a person kill a person by the neck and not leave a mark on

the neck . manslaughter most . bird saying it's very interesting so far more involved the state relying on the jury to decide on initial video multiple murder murder charges don't fit the evidence. any conviction will be on the lower end. and one more from barbara saying kansas city, if the positions were reversed a black top with his knee on the neck of a white george floyd would already be in jail ifyou were still alive . to justice systems, white killer of nine black parishioners was takento burger king on his way to jail because he was hungry . in terms of what happens after this story from nbc news. the president biden expected to deliver remarks after the verdict. the white house has said how they will respond to either for a guilty verdict. yesterday at the white house press briefing was jen psaki was asked about the closing remarks. the closing arguments and

also how the white house was preparing, this is what she had to say. >> what i can say is broadly speaking we are in touch with mayors and governors, local authorities. our objective is to ensure there is space or peaceful protest. that we continue to convey that while this country has gone through an extensive period especially the black community of pain, trauma and exhaustion as we watched these not just the trial but of course additional violence against their community over the pastseveral weeks , we, it's important to acknowledge that and elevate that. at every opportunity we have to. but in terms of your question jonathan, we're in touch with local authorities where in touch with date, governors and mayors. and certainly we will continue to encourage peoples protests but we're not going

to get ahead of the verdict in the trial class are the recommendations in terms of national guardemployments ? >> there's a range of conversations about how to ensure that no matter what the outcome, there is space for peaceful protest. but of course we will let the verdict, the jury don't wait for the verdict to come out. before we say more about our engagement. >> jen psaki in the white house briefing room, this is the front page of usa today. sx officer stays with jury, nation on edge as trial over george floyd step. >> good afternoon. secretary funds would have been impressed with that response this morning. we're all awake. a couple of items for all of you before we get started. this afternoon the president will take a virtual tour of april tara electricbus and