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book tv on cspan2 starts now. forty-eight hours of nonfiction authors and books every weekend. television for serious readers. here are some programs look out for. tonight on her weekly author interview program "after words", brad stone reports on the growth and evolution of amazon. in profiles it founders jeff a basis. tomorrow night hoover institution senior fellow neil ferguson argues the u.s. is getting worse at managing disaster. also this weekend we are featuring several books by and about members of congress. including democratic senators mazie hirono of hawaii in amy klobuchar of minnesota per usa today washington bureau chief susan pages reports on the life and career of house speaker nancy placita. five full schedule information online @booktv. or consult your program guide. now, we kick off the weekend with journalists katie englehart's look at the right to die debate.
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>> our interview for tonight is barker, she is the author of strangers and rounding. impossible idealism, drastic choices and the urge to help. she is a staff writer at the near good magazine where she's written about domestic violence, dementia, philosophy, child welfare system, jon ashbury, barack obama, and the falkland islands among other subjects. she'll be speaking with our featured author katie ingle heart. she is a reporter and documentary film producer, she's also a national fellow at new america. she has worked as a correspondent for news in london and nbc news in new york. her new book, the inevitable, as a riveting incisive wide-ranging book about the right to die movement and the doctors, patients and activists at the heart of this increasingly urgent issue. enter viewer larissa
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macfarquhar praises the book is externally moving book that will change forever the way we think about the longing for death. cadiz were to start off with the reading from the book and then shall be talking with larissa and all of you, katie please take it away. >> thank you very much thank you to larissa for joining with this conversation thank you all for joining as well. going to read from chapter two of the book for those of you who haven't or planning to buy it page 61. in the late morning on the day she planned to, in april 2016 henry went to get the poison from the downstairs bathroom. sure passed the mustard yellow curtains in the frosted glass doors of the parler, past the padded docking chair she sometimes sat for hours with her feet tilted above her head to ease then swelling in her ankles she said.
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when she arrived inside she studied yourself against the u countertop before reaching up to the top shelf and feeling around for the glass bottles shesh had hidden there behind the toilet cleaner and the baby powder. two of the bottles were small like jars of cough syrup and a spanish writing on the labels. it contained the drugs. a third daughter a suicide man born barbara thought had a bitter after take and recommended chasing it with the bit of spirits. i got imported weekly of the drug supply it's quite easy to do but very risky. consider home and bransford speak a small village in southwest england with 300 residents, pub called the lazy toad a c church of english parish church and a a town council on which alcohol is served several terms earning reputation as a brilliant and steadfast. sometimes needlessly adversarial. in her 80s, she had a loose all soft beige skin, plastic
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clogs, walking aid, often vaguely silver earrings, sometimes a -- of lipstick. but the time she planted her white hair was so long that it nearly reached her waist. things got stuck in, some's fluff, twig from the guard in the morning took no small effort to pull the hair back from her face and impose a kind of order audit. with bobby pins. late morning there was skate through her restraints and fallen down around her forehead. she she cleanups her slowly as she a always did and clinging to the banister nearly crawling so that she felt she would not fall far. the walker wast waiting at the top of the staircase, but she did notdi need it she was only going as far as the bathroom. it always been her intention to die in her bathtub reclining fully clothed. for work sure that in the throes of dying her bottles would give way to make a mess of herself and the house would smell for weeks.
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by dying in the bathtub she hoped to contain the mess. just in case she t let the bottle of leading fluid under the towel rack for whoever came to mop upp after her. she explained all this then suicide notes are about to take my own life the letter said i am alone the decision is holy mine. this is been planned. when everything was ready she called her internet provided to explain that even though sheow planned to kill her self at 7:00 p.m. she was for accounts and remain active until the executives in her state time to type loose ends around the house. longtime lawyer, william mitchell moore would later agree this was a reckless thing to do all things considered. but by then she already told her friends, or handymen, her caregiver, her gardener and his wife and her acquaintances in the local swimming pool, should read in some online forms it was best to tell people about your death plans in advance. that would there be less traumatized by her suicide. also, that understand that you would not on a very bad day.
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rather you'd really meant to diet and meant to be dead. when apple told her lawyer he was not entirely surprised knowing your personality as well as he did. her mute is fully compromise by the disease which attacked her nervous system, he told me later, as if dignity can something that could broken by a body. most people taken the news well, the few had not one friend a former colleague at the university had even argued with her she considered the effectiveness on your family and he asked? of course a blood he will consider the effect she told him but aches and pains and untreatable condition and about a flagrantly inconstant bowels he was appalled he said i later, delighted i'm glad he was. her handymen, jeff, i have served in this year she spent less time in the garden that she used to in the family conversation bit surreal. told over a capita he did not andbj principal object to her decision. i've no more quorums about this ati all.
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still he asked whether the pain was that bad as if this wasn't a bit drastic. she brushed besides her suicide intentions were serious and find out they're not pretext for sympathy and they were not indications for anyone to try to stop her. >> thank you. i am so delighted to be doing this. this is a really beautiful book and a really important book. i really, really urge anyone who is watching to buy if you have not already. it's hard to read, it's hard to read. also beautiful and funny as you just saw. going to ask him on the first question before this started we started talking and katie told me that there's only one of her major >> to a still
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live. and i asked her reaction to the book. you haven't heard from her yet, but when you think her reaction will be? it's a woman named maya. >> one of my chapters is about a woman around 40 years old. he had multiple sclerosis experiencing a lot of other symptoms and she has plans which, i think over time is further away from she's planned to go to switzerland to end her life. one of the countries that has a suicide clinic paid she's the one person i read about and who i really interviewed over the course of the years is still live. i did send her a copy of the book but have not heard from
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her yet. i think she will find it complicated. i think over the course of speaking with her i had five years of her telling me her suicide was just around the corner she is preparing take her life at any minute and five years had passed and that happened. i think somehow that will surprise her to read. think shall be surprised by her own wavering. spanky said at 1.1 of the many things you worried about and doing this initial reporting was someone might feel obligated in some strange way follow through on their intentions having talked about it with you, obligated to you. how did you think about that? did you feel any whiff of that when you talk to anyone
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somewhat in your book for someone who did not end up being in your book? back in several situations with this book i knew someone had the intention to take their life before they did. in some cases i knew specific sort of when the death would take place, how, who would be there to find the body and i did not intervene. which was obviously a very difficult and loaded decision. i was nervous from the start by the idea that someone would be pushed towards death for the sake of my story. that once they've gotten in a conversation with me they would feel in expectation to move towards death. in fact the fathered said as
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much to me i talked with his daughter for two years before you begin to with me. alvery direct along the lines of i don't want my daughter to die so your book has a good ending. i thought that was a very fair point for him to make. i did have my own rules, i think they were imperfect i begin talking to anyone i really would make it clear i was not writing a book about people who are going to kill themselves press writing a book about people who are thinkingng about it and i had no stake in how the story turned out. i made it clear to people they agreed to speak with me at once, they're not obliged to speak with me again and again.
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i did some people it stopped i chased them a few times i did eventually let them go. i think most importantly i really chose to only talk with people who would let me into their lives who would introduce me to it people around them. i did not want to get into a conversation this is more self protective. i didn't want to get a situation where socko someone nobody plans and knew. gutfeld like too much to me. though in most situations i spoke to a person. , a family member, a friend in the case of the women in the excerpt i just read i spoke to her lawyer, her gardener, her caregiver her former colleagues at the university, that one point i was through airbnb some of her neighbors since spoke to some of them.
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i was able to make sure anyone had the opportunity to tell me to it stop if what i was doing was not helpful. something i did not know to expect is reading your book i need to suspect stores but did not realize was how many different kinds of participants in these plans you would find and talk to. he said at one point you're in a way most fascinated by the exit guide or the death of jewelers or the people who volunteered i think they were volunteers to be with somebody when they were dying the risk of prox and when i was thinkingng of is brian could you tell us about him? this is somebody who not only worked in also volunteered on
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the suicide prevention hotline. which is very interesting. on if you could tell me about him and how you made sense of this two kinds of work? >> one of the groups i write aboutal the final exit network. they are very highly organized, highly structured group. it's based around the united states. the final one registered nonprofit. they guide people who want to end their lives. they have their own criteria for who is eligible but it is much more liberal than any right to die at law that exists in the united states. so anyone can apply to their website, medical records, panel of retired physician volunteers if they are deemed
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worthy how do paradox with an exit guide will see them through their final days, weeks, months. these are volunteers from all sorts of walks of life. what they essentially do is teach someone how to take her life in a way that is less than guaranteed. they use inert gas and plastic bag effectively with a few other bells and whistles. in some cases it will travel across the country, instruct someone how to take their lives and sit with them as they do w it. i had heardar about this network. some of these articles had mentioned a few wood spoken to a couple of guys at the network tend to put forward. i spent months meeting with people associated with the network. either current or former members.
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i think in the end i spoke to around 30 people including the founders. in sort of at the end of my process i met this guy named brian, since mid- 70s he is a retired corporate guy. he works like a very white-collar upper job in portland, oregon, and now volunteers both as an exit guide and at a suicide prevention hotline. that is an interesting contrast they session people towards death and trying to prevent from impulsively taking their lives. he really sees them as two separate kinds of dying. i think in my book i told to hold them i look at what space exists between. on the one hand he sees through suicide. most are fair suicide people
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pray they take their lives because of mental illness or impulse for depression can stop them on the really bad day they probably will not try again. these other kind of person who's much more deliberate and rational. i think in my book i find that the line is not as clear as he makes it to be. philbrick i do pronounce his name? the early right to diet laws particularly in this country are verily narrowlyum circumscribed. they have as you mentioned allow eligible people were going to dine six months anyway.
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which is the same criteria for hospice care. you write about this guy who believes this is just an arbitrary arrogant limit who are doctors, who arema lawmakers to decide when someone should be eligible to take their own life. please tell me little bit more about his beliefs but what did you think of that? do you think there should be limits? if show what should they be? >> he is a hard man for me to it describe. usually as shorthand i will say his modern-day jack kevorkian. he used to be a doctor. in the course of my reporting he lost his medical license. he runs the death seminars all around the world. effectively traveled around and he gave presentations. most the people in the
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audience are in their 70s and 80s. he teaches them all the ways they can take their lives in a way that is peaceful and quick and reliable. and he sees this appeal are going to take their lives enjoy them as we do it well and have access to your there's a philosophical shift in him. when i met him his own eligibility criteria for who should be allowed into his organization initially given his instruction. it's much more liberal than any one country. some had to be 55 to be reasonable they would have life knowledge by then. they should not have mental illness that is obvious to him upon first meeting.
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that's a very vague and imperfect guideline and that should have something that is causing them pain. they should have a reason for wanting to die. over the course of five years he shifted to a point should not be criteria atia all. his argument is really life is not sacred or the only way it sacred if you say it is. if you don't want to live anymore it is your right to die should be helped in the best way possible. life is a gift but if you can't refuse a gift if you cannot decline a gift it is a burden. he will not effectively offer anyone access to his suicide
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manual which again offers information and phone numbers and e-mail addresses for drug dealers in different price parts of the world. philip is a complicated character. in my book i tell the story of a young man in england who had really a long entangled history of mental illnesses. and on a very bad day in the very bad month use philip suicide manual to end his life. his family really believed if the information not been so easily accessible on the other hand i'm sympathetic they give challenging these criteria because they are set by lawmakers and they are enforced by doctors. doctors like a place like california reviewing someone's
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medical records deciding whether they are worthy or not worthy whether t they deserve to die effectively and is a strange position we put ourselves in that we have given that authority to doctors. in may researching and the data shows people arere choosing their death reasons that are not purely physical part they are not choosing to die choosing to die they do not want to be a burden of their loved ones for their choosing to die because it is eexistenial reasons doctors have no special authority in that area. so because there prescribed legal drugs we've given them this power to decide who's worthy and who is not. i'm sympathetic tond the idea
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this is not a role for doctors. think we actually saw some of this debate come up in the early days of covid. there was a lot of fear about ventilators and ventilator rationing. these rules should not be set by doctors. if anything it should be a random panel of americans to decide who deserves ventilator access. ultimately these questions will come down to problems that are not easy to study in ansy anatomy textbook. in talking about it as a privilege to have access to this technology to be able to die in a controlled way. but something that comes up in your book over and over again which is very troubling, i
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think should be troubling to anyone certain people were the right to die will become a duty to die. particularly someone and america where they regulate bankrupt people there is not universal free healthcare. there is a very real danger that people may worry that the emotional and financial burden of taking care of them it's their responsibility to remove that either from their children, or the state, people will worry they areha a burden and will feel obliged to die, when you think about that? think it's a very valid concerns per they are often raised in this context by disability rights organizations. many jon kelly large group that opposes aid in dying laws.
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>> with disabilities doctors clearly think i would be better off dead. that will put that pressure. it will emphasize that pressure. and i think certainly innk the united states context especially i found things like money, and access to healthcarelt did influence that decision. and all sorts of ways. heard of a patient who was going to die in the next year but she chose to die sooner because she had limited savings she wanted to leave the money to her daughter and that was important to her to leave that legacy.
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i heard of a man who was a vietnam war veteran and he hated the idea they go to a nursing home heard what he wanted to do was help victims of agent orange that he could not stop thinking about. soleimani does enter the equation. when the interesting conversations i had in the book was in belgium with a doctor and he sort of a new yorker has written about him before he has a larger than life celebrity doctor is one of the leading champions of euthanasia and assisted dying. he is involved in a huge percentage of cases in belgium. either is a doctor who delivers the injection of the consulting physician. i am talking to him about how the log works the united states he looked completely disgusted and said they should absolutely exist in the united
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states. this is a developing country this were his words for there's no way a country should offer this with if you cannot offer someone access to death before you offer them access to healthcare. and deafly everynd other country has assisted dying laws the pessimistic way of thinking of thingsng. i believe but the situation is what it is. and in other contexts think a lot of americans end up getting older at home. getting sick. being force for reasons by
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family or necessity into nursing homes. they spend their savings and then they have their final days and institutional setting. i think it should beg. otherwis. i understand what people look at that and want to avoid it. but i do think it is an absurd order of things to offer people death before healthcare. speaker sitting there in cannot you can be smug. i agree with you. so in one case of somebody wrote about he said the cut off contact with him at a certain point. tell us a little bit about him and why you stop talking him?
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>>'s run 25 only first connected. started getting a lot of attention in canada arguing that people with mental illnesses but not physical illnesses be eligible for the countries dying laws. had this long history of anxiety and depression and psychosomatic pain and because of that they should be eligible to die under the law. so getting pickup from canadian journalist who would write articles about how he was suffering and how a lot of op-ed writers in the country said he had made a compelling case for the right to die to be extended to developmental illnesses. hehe put himself for this cause.
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i found his story to be a lot less straightforward. so i spoke to adam for i think it was close to a year. was also able to talk quite extensively with both of his parents. one of whom his father supported his campaign and thought he absolute should end his life if he could not handle it anymore. i also talked to his clinicians, his psychiatrist, his therapist. and you know, adam was really young. there were things he had not tried yet. there werere treatments and their kind of behavioral therapies that he had not tested to see iffe there be effective on his condition.
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the reason i stopped talking to adam was i had a sense that, first of all he felt like he was in control of this narrativee. he was playing this role that he really want a journalist to play. he started leaving me voice messages asking me to it call him ask me to it interview him, telling me he was keeping diaries and collected a lot of compelling material is how he put it. really, really moving material. and i felt like whatever was happening was not healthy for him. i am not a psychiatrist i felt narcissistic energy coming from him that really frightens
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me. i know he really, really wanted media coverage and that made me. [inaudible] i'd gone out of my weight even at the beginning to be very careful with adam. so after the first time we spoke i asked if i could speak to his father as well to get his blessing. that was a decision i questioned later. twenty-six years old of agree to speak of massing to speak with his father but i had been very careful. and in the end i told him i thought it was best if we just kind of pause contact for a while. adam did end up taking his life. he used drugs that he procured from the internet. at this very weird experience "after words" of getting in
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touch of one of the therapists he had mentioned a psychologist that he had mentioned in our phone calls. when it got the therapist on the phone he said i have been waiting for a call like this. adam told me journalist to the colony after he died. he said i should speak to them and tell them everything. i don't know if he entailed the therapist tell me what he did by certainly reinforced my decision that i was not being helpful to him by continuing to talk to him. to back yes. it is so difficult. you mentioned and i did not realize this, there is a norm in journalism not to write about suicide or to write about it in a very particular way because it has been known, as you write, for three centuries, it is contagious.
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writing about suicide can produce it. and i wonder, you're so sympathetic and respectful of the people that you described in your book. i wondered if you worried that would have thatt consequence that someone reading your book might take courage from your sympathy and your respects and imitate them? >> i assume some of the prohibitions on reporting. i'm very sympathetic to the idea we want to stop despair suicides. we do not want to trigger someone who's foldable into acting. do think some the guidelines are written before the internet existed when it is quite possible that no one would have heard of eight to the side until they picked up the inevitable by katie ingle
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heart. i don't think that's true anymore. everyone i spoke to a general researchd online. i have 80-year-old who taught himself how to download dark web browsers and go places i don't know how to access. they done the work they had to learn from the newspaper. but i did think a lot about this. it was difficult because i don't feel -- mcafee like many of the people iny spoke to they were killing themselves in despair out of impulse. fellow cows describing something that was a little different. there is one study i'm aware of that looks at whether it reporting on dying like legal assisted dying leads to non- legal suicides. i think an american paper said it might implement suicide in a canadian paper using the same dataset it didn't. i did think about that.
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and it felt like windows describing was different. i'm very adverse to reporting on death and dying that is filled with euphemism. i don't think it is helpful to anyone. becky mentioned to me, he said you deliberately use language in the book that be opposed by the big suicide prevention advocacy groups. you wrote about suicide in detail. i did not exactly what you meant by that. could you tell me about that decision and how you a thought aboutt it? >> i wrote about method for instance. which is interesting. my part of the book there is an excerpt that ran in the guardian last week and they took it all out. there's a lot of back-and-forth with the editors and i said covered this before. this information is not new to anyone who wants it.
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they did not want uses phrases like kill himself which we stopped using. someone died by suicide. the suicidal impulses as a mental illness. the died by suicide this thing shook their life rather than an act that carried out themselves. these months or years preparing so i didn't use it. try to be as specific as possible. there were things i left out. i did not want to be
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gratuitous, although i know in some cases, there's one i mentioned earlier i didid write about more typical a young man who suffering from severe depression who took hisis life. i should've stuck to the rules more what could go into the book and what couldn't. the description of an object in the family asked me to it take it out and i took it out. and ultimately they were very
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using as an example i won't ask you one more question please put questions in the q&a went as katie one more question please put questions there will go to them in a second period we've recently risked and many people as we all know drugs the prospect of advanced dementia and say i would rather be dead than go
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through that. but, some who has advanced dementia may not have any desire to die. may be perfectly happy. then the question is, are these different people and should the one be governed by the person that used to be, who perhaps signed a living will this should be euthanized. what you think about that? >> expect with you something for people at the mention. more than anything else people told me they would rather die than have dementia. people are diagnosed have no options for care they can live for years and it condition the went to be in.
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take this call from canada and the government is right now debating an extension with the federal heating and dying law that would allow people to write the kind of advanced directive. right don't know my husband anymore i don't know my husband anymore i don't know where am i am not verbal i would like to receive a lethal injection. it would not surprise me if this passes, the one pole i've seen that canadians are in favor of it but very difficult. that is legal only in one country in the netherlands. doctors are really so hesitant to participate. a lot of people who write advanced directives in the end their dr. won't do it. and it comes down to the question of suffering as you say. if someone is an advanced state of dementia suffering?
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doctor sometimes feel that question is unclear in the moment. so they are unwilling the lock at theoretically requiring them to inject someone who is smiling, his laughing he was enjoying a different kind of quality of life. on the other hand critics will say that once again this is doctors exerting authority over a decision they know nothing about. they are disrespecting a ptolemy of patients for they would argue that the authentic patient is the patient is listen to before she lost her memory where they would what her wishes were. even the chemist before midnight and still waiting for ten minutes after midnight kind of do-it-yourself before doctors get involved. this is very complicated to in
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belgium someone is an early stage of dementia can get an assisted death. that means they lose time because they have to be cognizant and aware with stating their desires on their day of their death. they do not know when they will lose that. the end up dying sometimes months or years before they really want to. solution.o perfect but hew really can't tell you how many people i have met to set i'll kill myself if i have dementia. i will help my mother, i i will help my grandfather. they may or may not mean it. i went down a strange reportingi rabbit hole and i heard a lot of stories on local news channels about usually couples, elderly couples usually the wife would get dementia and the husband would murder her. out of mercy would say it
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later out of love and sometimes men were prosecuted after the fact or they certainly wrist prosecution for some time. those stores are not uncommon actually. we can continue to come i think it's something that needs to be talked about. again people will do this anyway but how can we make them feel like they are doing something that is dignified and safe? i think it's very complicated. it's incredibly complicated. i want to go to these questions that are in the q&a. some éclairs injure own mental health waiver in this own process? as with the people i write
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about in the book it was really veryy important to me to it maintain the same level of professionalism as they would for anyone else. did not want to be more emotional i felt unfair to them could pour out whatever was in them without worrying about reaction for me. after people died i was sort of surprised by every death. they told me the method and i spoke to the friends whoha agreed it would happen. i never thought that young men adam would take his life even though he told me he would.
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he told me that very clearly was difficult to write a book for so long about decisions that are so serious, so consequential. i found that with a lot of intensity and that was hard to move between assignments were our normal levels of sadness and trauma. >> host: summit name barbara,or please tell smart what you labeled that euthanasia underground. to make a kind of use that term loosely. on activists who are working to educate people and
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activists who help share information, there's this collective for people certain lethal drugs who are particular sought a after. adam hoy spoke about i know someone on the internet i do not know the specific someone on the internet we connected with sent some drugs he did uses take his life at some of the groups like to finalize their network are highly regimented. on the put plastic bags over their heads. to describe the whole group. i was really surprised to find
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a lot of organizing. but i think it was a mistake to be surprised. think when ever medical system falls short people will find a way ultimately require some knowledgeom of people probably know it's happening some in the market says we are about to access for mental disorders with an 18 month -- 24 month sunset clause in canada. i take it you all know what that means. do you think anyone have despair suicide for a request made from someone with a mental disorder? what other than despair would lead to the request.
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from this assisted death. in canada there putting a pause state laws require simply say it usually ten or 15 days between making a request and actually dying. but in this case with mental illnesses much longer waiting. the allowableit kick in later. think when it first started researching i assumed that, i kind of believed what i learned from the critics. so people will say by virtue of having a mental illness
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someone's thought process is disrupted. somebody's ability to make decision to reason is corrupted. and thus they should not be allowed to access like something like aid in dying physicians of said psychiatrist especially participate in assisted death for someone with severe depression is akin to collaborating in a patient suicidal despair. but, medical capacity legal capacity is different from what people expect. when you're capacity is not holistic someone does not have capacity in a general sense capacity is judged at a specific time related to a specific choice. does someone have the capacity to make a specific choice about healthcare about whether or not they wish to die. already people with mental
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disorders i'm also sympathetic to the view from certain mental health other groups that we workeday really hard to prove over the years his mental healthha is serious it's just as bad as a physical illness. someone who suffers from mental illness is not irrational this should have access to personal choice. several european countries someone had tried a certain number of treatments therapeutic methods i read
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about a group of women as young as 29 had been approved to die because of histories of depression. i don't know i guess my impulse was maybe the something left a tribe may begin them falling into the trap of claiming if a patient tries hard enough taking get better. it's not that easy to draw a line. they want to put physical illness here already people with other physical illness the people with depression getip cancer. people with compulsive disorder get heart disease and are qualified to die in that way. already mental illness is playing into the equation.
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they do they change my mind about this at all. [inaudible] i am anxious about how patients will be evaluated. i think going to in that country really see a divide in psychiatry between psychiatrists who think thiss is right and psychiatrists who don't. so then what you have patients a doctor shopping. so hopping around until they find one of several physicians who will sayic yes. if psychiatrists are now involved have specialists and
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i think that is a possibly dangerous. but then again i think people have the right to say enough is enough. and whether they are suffering physically or in other ways. i think the right to life and become a duty to live if we are always working the goal is keeping people live. i guess i'm willing to see the come to pass of the european system. >> on that note, green light suggested we end right on time.
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though i would love to ask you questions for hours more. please, everybody read this book. it stays with you for very long time. and thank you for writing it. >> thank you so much for being in conversation, thank you. >> it's really lovely thoughtful conversation thank you for springtime with us if you miss any part of tonight's event will be up on our youtube channel and a bookstore with the next few days. to keep an eye out there on the social channel. and like larissa said, if you do not arty have a copy of katie's book, you can buy the inevitable from greenlight bookstore at your brooklyn were opened new -- seven for
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>> here is a look at some the best-selling nonfiction books according to the wall street journal. topping the list in morgan history of organized crime in america killing the mob. oh by oprah winfrey and doctor bruce perry's book on childhood trauma titled what happened to you. after that is fox news anchor shannon's profile on women in the bible. : : : some of these authors have appeared on booktv and you can watch their programs anytime at booktv.org.
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>> on sunday june 6th military historian and journalist matt hastings will be on our guest on "in depth". >> humiliation upon the planet's most powerful nation. revolutionaries prevails over the western world, welcome hardware, the stairway of which on the evening of the 20 ninth of april fugitive ascended to a rooftop helicopter securing a place among the symbolic images. for me is for all of my generation of war correspondents the struggle was among the foremost experiences of our careers. i was one of those who flew to the us embassy on that terrifying day. >> the recent book is operation pedestal.
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other books include catastrophe 1914. europe goes to war. chastised:the damn busters story 1943. and overlord, d-day and the battle for normandy. join in the conversation with your phone calls, facebook comments, on "in depth," live at noon eastern sunday june 6th, with matt hastings. tune in sunday july 4th for conversation with harvard university professor and killed a prize-winning historian and it gordon read on booktv on c-span2. >> in these pages are 43 portraits of immigrants i have come to know accompanied by their stories. people who escaped danger in difficulty and came to pursue opportunities that didn't exist in their native countries which i recognize immigration can be an emotional issue i reject the premise that it is a partisan issue. we

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