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>> house armed services panel looked at domestic violence affecting military families. watch this in its entirety 9:00 p.m. eastern here on c-span2. >> reporter with the newspaper joining us now for conversation on state ands local reform efft but on the national level compromised police reform bill we have been tracking, what is the latest on when the bill might be expected and what we know about the sticking points as of today? >> so obviously today is the one year anniversary of george floyd death. that was sort of the self imposed deadline the white house and karen bass architect of the road floyd justice of policing act set for themselves to get to

president biden's desk signed into law. obviously we are in today and that's not going to happen but congressman bass signaled that conversation with senator tim scott were going well but then he had a few more weeks to get finalized and she said she'd trather have the bill be substantive and really drive the change they are trying to seek rather than get a bill passed by a certainrt date. a few more weeks, how much pressure building reform advocates simply trying to move ahead withea the george floyd justice policing act rather than continuing to wait for whatever comes out of this negotiation of course the george floyd act passed in march in the house mostly a partyline vote. >> rightd so when it passed in

the senate, it didn't have any republican support and democrats new they were going to have to work across the aisle in the senate to get the bill passed filibuster. pressure was there from advocates, i think the advocates i've spoken to are these of the progressss, i think it would bea different story and it sounded like disintegrating and not going well but last week when she was talking about the deadlines, congressman bass, it's not going to take months. hopefully in the next couple weeks. >> is there any concern waiting for the bipartisan bill to come together lost momentum from the passage of the house version or any momentum that might have come from the attention on the trial laston month? >> one thing advocates have tried to push following

conviction of derek chauvin george floyd's murder is that this is the end to this that started now a year ago. this is an ongoing talk about what it looks like in america, police interacting with black people in this country, police killing black people in this country looks like, it's an ongoing conversation. a team was killed in columbus, ohio by police, week before the trial wrapped up, minnesota 10 miles away from where chauvin was standing trial, daunte wright was shot and killed at a traffic stop and then andrew junior after the conviction was shot and killed byd police.

>> theit newspaper taking phone calls, your questions on police reform whether it's at the federal or state and local level covering these issues for the newspaper. take us to the stateak level one year anniversary, what changed in minneapolis pacifically when it comes to policing in that city. >> in december, along with unanimously deciding they are going to roll back the police budget and take $8 million from the police budget toward violence prevention of social services in the effort to drive down encounters of police that turned violent, deadly and also minneapolis a couple weeks ago,

merrick garland announced a review, basically that is the department of justice has to look at a police department practices, what is going on, what's wrong and what to be fixed and after that usually goes into another effective tool the federal government has to have oversight demonstrating there is a problem and how they operate. >> what state has taken the most dramatic step on policing reform in the past year? >> i wouldn't say level, i think it's more local level. in your police department acts as its own qualified immunity, there are other states and municipalities have taken that.

i think at the city level, they haveve had repeated instances of police violence, police killings, i think that's where it is the most reformed. >> on this issue of qualified immunity, there has been some comprised effort qualified immunity too settle a limit for what police officers can bevi sd for an individual capacity may be at the department picking up the rest. is that part of the negotiation and that bill? we know qualified immunity, that's one of the major sticking points, is there a middle ground there? >> the idea of having police department for the municipality andd operating and taking that liability on with these misconductt cases. it is unclear what the final

bill would look like if they are going to find an agreement on qualified immunity or if it is completely taken out of the bill. >> plenty of topics to discuss, marty johnson is here toho take your phone call in jamaica new york. good morning. >> good morning. it sounds good, the congressional police reform effort but you are going to have conservative states, let's say arizona, florida, the very conservative ag's will be fighting against something of this sort. we are having difficulty you can see on the federal double so how is it you're going to come back and try to have reform when you have this in those conservative states? thank you for taking my call. >> sure, so the bill works in a couple of ways when it comes to

reform. passing qualified immunity does a lot, it bans chokehold at the federal level. federal agents can't use that in their policing. it creates a database so if an officer is fired for misconduct, the person can't then go to another police department down the street in another city to get a job. it creates a database, you don't have a lot of information on it and the information you do have isn't as robust as we like it. as far as implementing state and local level, it ties into federal aid. federal aid is all national

police across the country to be in their money coming from federal government. tying back to those standards, we need to see these changes and keep money from the federal government. >> how often are no knock warrant used? >> a no knock warrant is a warrant that police officers can get from a judge that basically gives those officers, there is worse activity going on, a lot of times very common and drug raids that we don't want to let them know they are coming, basically they answer without stating who they are and their presence they usually have.

>> to gilbert, republican. good morning. >> good morning. i just had to points. the first one is university of chicago came out with a study on major police currency in the u.s. and theyts found just on policing policies alone on how police interact with what they can get away with, they didn't even meet basic minimal human rights standards by the united ustates signed in the 70s. that obviously needs to be solved because we see what happens when you violate human rights andhu china, afghanistan let alone here so that needs to be solved. second, what about having the police department stop being unaccountable, unelected officials and have sheriff's ari often, which are elected by the people? and have to answer to the people every two years and that's it.

>> obviously as far as stopping civil rights violations that's one thing in this bill called the court of law statute, title 18 section 232. police officer or law enforcement personnel cannot intentionally deprive someone of their civil rights. you cases, what we have seen with the chauvin case, chauvin and other officers in that case a few weekswe ago were indictedn that federal charge of violating mr. boyd's civil rights. it's a really high bar to clear and the statute, can't be proven which is a really hard thing to prove in any court and this country so democrats are below

that standard fromm intentionaly willfully, to open up the ability to deal with conduct be held accountable. >> jay, independent. good morning. >> good morning and thank you for having this discussion. my question is, why is it that there's major -- [inaudible] great division high-profile cases, when you got a lot that can bring these people together -- [inaudible] you got video of the officers having a good time -- [inaudible] situation going on right now

we've got years, crazy inconsistency in the story. you touched on the breonna taylor situation, a lot of people will look at that and say there's a lot so i do understand, why is it that we cannot come to the consensus that this has to get better something done about the impact it's having on people. >> appreciate the question, i want to let marty johnson take thatik up, it sounds like your multitasking. >> i have to do a good job of keeping up with the kids. >> mr. johnson, go ahead. >> i think what he brought up good, the bottom line, it's how around policing and with this

george floyd, the crux is, how do you hold police more accountable for their actions it is really hard for police misconduct, with all other trials with chauvin trial, a jury conviction is extremely rare and the documented cases we have a police being arrested for police misconduct and excessive force using deadly force on the job so all of that, when you talk about the no knock warrant is. >> shelley in louisiana, republican, good morning. >> good morning. i would like to say that i don't think it's so much holding police accountable as it is holding america and the media and the politicians accountable. until we decide that everything

is going to be reported, if you talk about just as many whites are killed and officers but yet you're going to show going to the street when a black person is killed when you can see their actions he took, that accelerated any attempts of police would have made on him and his arrest. i'm not saying they are all right but i am not saying we can't glorify people for doing wrong and make them a hero when we got to look at the full picture. >> so here is a full picture of the country, white population about 63%, the black population about 13% this is from usa today. in terms of all killings by police, although the black population is 13%, they

represent 27% of all police killings in this country of white represent 48% and when it comes to unarmed killings by police, the black population in this country, even more representative in that group, 35% of all unarmed killings by police, white is just 31% of that group does numbers from police violence.com on today's usa today's anniversary section when it comes to george floyd, did you want to add any thoughts? >> i'll add one thing you talk to civil rights advocates police reform advocates, and this idea of why are you talking about the other deadly force that happens with police, they do. they don't want that but we know the history of police in this

country, we know the legacy and patterns of seen black people getting killed by police and not ever being held accountable for so that's where that conversation is going. police and advocates, they want it all to stop. >> ten minutes are left this morning coming up 8:30 p.m. eastern. we know president biden will be meeting with the floyd's family, do you have more information whether he will make public remarks or what to expect after that meeting. >> yesterday jen psaki said president biden will meet with the family of george floyd at the white house, she said remarks will be private, he has a relationship with a family member during the campaign last year when it happened, biden reached out to the family almost

immediately after so they have kept that relationship going so i would say there might be some sort of journal but i wouldn't be surprised if we don't have any insight to that conversation today. >> this is mike, and independent. good morning. >> good morning i agree with the last caller, i believe criminals want to fight withhe the police, they are being made into martyrs, it could be a lot of these black people we are talking about that were shot. all they had to do was get in the police car, theyy would be alive today, truly. just get in the police car, take the ride and stay alive, that's what i've got to i say. >> mr. johnson. >> i think some advocates, civil justice, civil rights advocates with times we have seen in the

past five, ten years has body camera footage and bystander video with cell phones and things like that have grown more common and we have better insight how these encounters go, we see what happens when people do comply and when they have put their hands up or have reached for their insurance and license and registration and they have anbeen shot and they have done e right thing and they were still shot. i think the conversation around that is deeper than just this person did something wrong and they need to comply. >> bring it back to the negotiations on perhaps this bipartisan proposal and when it does come out, what we know about the role of police unions and civil rights groups, how much influence they have had on not only then members but this

debate as well. >> groups like lawyers can be civil rights under the law, naacp, urban league have all been very active in reform, we did a bipartisan network that's helped with opportunity. it definitely has had a hand in it. as far as police reform, some of the things okay with, they are okay with some sort of standard of force but of the things are staunchly against it. >> you talk about the lawyers committee for civil rights, explain who kristin clark is and what role she may soon have in the administration. >> kristin clark has had a lot

of hats over the years but most recently she was the head of the lawyers committee does a lot of activism work and programs in nonprofit work surrounding, taking up against that they believe pass laws that violate people civil rights and other social justice issues. she has been the head of that and now she is biden's nominee to be the head of the civil rights division at d.o.j. which under the trump administration had a largely scaled-down role especially when it came to having degrees and talking to police departments and overseeing what they are doing on the ground. she is mind pushing her vote and that is supposed to happen. >> expected to happen today at 2:30 p.m. is what we are hearing

the senate 10:00 a.m. today, that vote is expected at 2:30 p.m. on a simple majority needed for her confirmation. attorney general for civil rights, you can watch that live on c-span2. don, republican, good morning. you are next. >> good morning, thank you forr taking my call. >> me a favor and turn down your television because it makes it easier to hear youis if you do that. >> it's on mute. >> all right, go ahead. >> the problem in this country today is white people, black people do not obey the law. the laws are made, we don't have to reform the laws, we have to get people to abide by the law. all you keep talking about is the police, the police.bo the police have the interaction with the people breaking the law. i say the police should use different tactics when they are

approaching someone, they have two or three cops there, they should be able to apprehend the perpetrator without having to use deadly force but again, you have to remind the people that if you run, that's what you have to settle for. >> for some of these issues brought up in the george place justice and policing act, would you agree with banning chokehold? is one of the things in the act, is that something you think would be -- >> you don't need chokehold but again, you have to remember thee condition of the man. >> what about the issue of requiring the use of body cameras, a federal effort to promote that and police department? would you support that? >> body cameras, i agree with. >> to the one, limiting the transfer of military grade equipment to police departments.

>> no, let's not get far off, my points are that the police have to use different tactics but the people who are criminals and black or white, green or yellow, whatever, they have to pay the price. >> john in florida, mr. johnson. >> i think when you look around, when we talk about police reform, right along that, criminal justice reform and what that looks like what our justice system looks like. what justice looks like and what happens when you areed arrested and stuff like that, i think the people a advocating for police reformrm also want to see crimil justice reform. >> sarah, independent.

>> i want to start with mr. johnson. far too long, this is what i don't understand. you talk about police, mr. johnson, have you ever been out cop and seenn a the street like george floyd? he had all that in his system and i know about all of that. >> did you want to talk about your background? >> for sure, i've talked about law professors, officers used to be, a deep understanding of the justice system, a former police chief and former police officers about reforms they want to see, it's not just one side of the coin, people who work in law enforcement say needs to be

different. in the chauvin trial, one of the first times we saw on the national stage were not only did police officers, and testify against chauvin and other police officers, very much against the grain but the police chief of minneapolis got up on the stand andol said they condemned what chauvin did to mr. floyd. >> how are you going to cover this anniversary of the death of george floyd? >> i think there's definitely going to be, as far as negotiation goes, i don't think there's going to be any crazy breakthrough today. i might be wrong but i think there's going to be a lot of statements from a lot of different people. >> the hill newspaper, on twitter you can follow him at marjorie tweet, easy enough to find. also his work at the hill.com.

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