>> here's a a look at some ofe best-selling nonfiction books according to the strand bookstore in new york city. >> some of these authors have appeared on booktv and you can watch the programs anytime at booktv.org. >> i am rory martorana, adult services librarian here at the new haven free public library.

for we begin i would like to thank my department for your support, especially adult services supervisor seth godfrey in my programming partner isaac shop is also doing tests support force behind the scenes today. as well as gina being him our public service administrator for her constant support and mentoring. today we're joined by two incredible authors and activists, jenara nerenberg and melody moezzi. jenara is the founder of the neurodiversity project and also a journalist, producer andny speaker and author of the book that we are here for today which is "divergent mind." if you can see it. my cam is a little blurry. our special guest host today is melody moezzi, and activist, attorney, professor and award-winning author. melody is also written a series

of -- her latest book the ring prescription, how agent poet changed my manic life. you should pick up, that's a good one. to arzu viewers if you have questions during today's r discussion feel free to enter them in the chat if you can also put them in the q&a button at the bottom of your screen to ensure they don't get lost in the fold. if you're watching us on the live stream on facebook today just leave us a comment with your questions and will try to get those answered as well. without further ado, melody, i will let you take it away. away. >> of course i am a mean muted. [laughter] thank you so much for having us. i am so excited to be here to talk about this amazing book divergent mines surviving in a world that is not designed for

you. i'm a person who is thriving in a world is not designed for may. my saw this but what i learned about this bucket screened out of your head bipolar disorder and living in america during what is now thankfully over known as the trump era. and that is when this book came out i was in the middle of all of that during the pandemic. just want to start off saying how are you doing? someone who put a book out during the pandemic it has been tough how is that going for you? >> guest: thank you melody and so happy to be here talking with you. thank you to the library for having us. yes, i think i'm doing okay. now we are kind of sort of emerging out of the whole pandemic phase. we still have a ways to go obviously. it was an interesting year think for many divergent people the year was mixed,

right? kind of this quiet solitude with an interesting time for many of us. i am really glad the book reach so many readers. today were celebrating the paperback it came out in hardcover a year ago in march which was bizarre timing. the book is making its way and i am so glad. >> me to it. i think you work you do with the diversity and that interracial proctors is something i want to start off or those who might not be knowledgeable might be very interested in the work you are doing can you tell us a little bit about the project and how the readers can connect with that as well? back the project started about four years ago i started

getting small groups together to talk about nerd diversity. and it grew so we have san francisco, and we had a conference and now are doing a lot of it on instagram actually for anyone and laster at the before the incident with george floyd, we are in interracial family and i grew up in interracial family. in our neighborhood and school.

life love intimacy really isn't get examined so i started reaching out to other writers again who should we talk about this during on instagram as well just on packing interracial life, something does not get talked about as much. we are kind of at the beginning of that as well. for anyone you want to check out that work, instagram is the place right now. >> we spoke a little bit in preparation for this. we talked they immediate representation around disability and diversions as you well know they're pretty notoriously garbage.

do you see that changing? and if so who is leading that change and how do you see it getting better? it's still pretty bad. >> i am so intrigued by this topic of immediate representation how mental illness, neuro- divergent, how bradley gets portrayed in the media. i have not lost any interest in film and theater in things like this. i think you see this with many different groups. like marginalized groups. what happens is there are stereotypes that are in the public imagination that have to do with social norms. and then you see the same stereotypes depicted on screen. it is a constant conversation, this dynamic between what is happening on the ground and what is happening in the

media. and so something like neuro- divergences disability is no exception. i been digging into this research turns out close-up ten to be much more in tents on characters that have mental illness people who are depicted as mentally ill are way more likely to be depicted as violence rather than actual occurrences in life. something we need to work against. melody your work at such an amazing contradiction to all of this. i did not get into that too much in the book. all about reframing the conception by polar, how can

we take ownership and ultimately change the conversation. initially the book on kyndell and 61 highlights this moment where you talk about the field of medicine needs an overhaul. with the number of people experiencing loneliness on the rise, more people become ill put in that position of needing to figure out people's social lives. the doctors are getting burned out and also need support. in the list goes on. without people being to open up, share and connect with others about their internal lives nothing will change. you go on the importance of

that. in terms of you did not know this was coming out having read it during this initially that i found really comforting in terms of the reminders. found a lot of this that is not virtually spiritual or spiritually connected. i know that comes from somewhere. we are healthier the more connected we are. how we are seeing that revolving. >> you mean how are we going to emerge from the pandemic they've been good at this in terms of being familiar with a kind of disconnection that may

be people who do not have that kind of makeup are not quite so familiar with being that disconnected. : : : >> it wasn't great for you but

so a lot of people t when into this loneliness andnd disconnectedness inadvertently and had no control over that. >> such interesting point you are making. of people may be thy have read regarding the diversity it's interesting i don't know the pandemic allows more people because like you said so many people live this way anyway and are outside all the time like yourself i am a

writer and i am home. i'm in my head and always thinking and that is normal for me. so yes. i do know what you are saying about people that are finding much more understanding of their family members, colleagues, kids and parents. i hear from a lot of people who say tears streaming down their faces because in hindsight they realize one of their parents are no longer alive had xyz. it's healing experience to put a name to that. and then in terms of how we

emerge of this whole pandemic. , i really do hope that all of us take some of those lessons that we have learned around what it means not to rush around all the time which i think many actually wrote something in the book and i really could not believe how much it captured this moment i am going to paraphrase my own quote but i look forward to the day when it is considered. let me grab it. obviously we did not anticipate this happening that

hoping that the one day the world would quiet down here it is i look forward to the day when it is currently a hidden sensory world for many people becomes the global norm. what are labeled as sensory elements are more common in that faction to dramatize world that is a desperate need of repair. so yes i was medicating these topics so perhaps it has people thinking. >> we know how you need to start reconsidering what it means when you talk about it

makes up 20 percent of the population for that disorder or mentally ill with humanity as a whole given that so many people go undiagnosed looking at a different concept. because i feel you are speaking for so many people. because it is understanding the different concept. what door does that open for people who have been shot out? >> yes. i have been thinking about this a lot lately.

i think it's interesting because the deeper you get into narrow diversity research or interviewing people, i don't know if it's just me because that's my world and i see everything through that lens and that color but it actually becomes more difficult to see nero legality to be honest the more we talk to people in the more they open up and take off their mask and remove the layers, you start to realize some of these things are very universal so that's important for people to now and the reason why we don't currently see the world in that way is we have a culture to be closed often people are not encouraged to be with their emotional health or challenges or to see a doctor for

something that imagine if it was more open. would we be added a point where we would even need this terminology of have normal lower nor moral that is the direction we're headed in it will get there someday. a lot of us who are activist and writers in some ways route the early helm of this thinking. >> thinking of the labeling to give the name that is healing and liberating then you say the identifications with family friends and colleagues on board, once i learned

about them and now i have thriving life knockdowns and all. but this idea that's exactly of my experience to find the labels incredibly liberating at first but then what does this mean? wondering what it has been like for you that you are providing a different outlet for other people not just to your own experience but the incredible research you have put together like i am so grateful for your ability to put all this material together that was also entertaining so

i'm curious about the idea of labels when does it start being liberating and when is it no longer necessary and that's in terms of how the readers have responded. >> thank you so much for finding that thread and it's cool to hear how it resonates through you and those watching. i tend to describe this the labels are entry ways. they are entry points to empowerment, liberation to be informed and i talked about that in the book the importance of this knowledge and for me i find that so healing and then you absorb it. so i think for many neuronal divergent people who are discovering aspects of themselves with that advocacy

and activism it is something that is very exciting and very important work so then went to gets integrated into all aspects of your life like your family and your work and sense of identity, it's just something that doesn't even need to be set as much it is a part of you and again the word is integration but not to say they are not important everyone has their own journey with this they just need to do what works for them. some people continue to find a new line out of work around this label or diagnosis. for other people to be

integrated and continue living their lives at the different perspective of how they see themselves. so for me personally come it was a journey of learning about narrow diversity on - - narrow diversity so that was exciting and then how within left out of research on autism and the sensitivity and how it was so prevalent for people no matter your diagnosis and then i talk about anesthesia and then the senses being cropped and in the process that if i

worked with and those in the community and then certainly the book coming out was very healing. it was a release. now it has been one year. it is awesome to see how people respond for themselves or their parents or siblings. i've heard from a lot of therapist how much it impacts their practice and they recommend it to their clients to see change in the therapeutics industry. and then it also allowed me to move on to other things. i am a journalist i have the interracial project going so no matter what's in my life

with that narrow diversity work is such a huge part but it is integrated into what i do next. so that is exciting for people to know and in your own life you have different periods of discovery and integration. and that is okay. it is okay for this to be, part of your larger story. if you like sometimes people feel they have to keep sticking with the one movement. >> i feel >> i feel that way completely, that your stock in that definition of what you initially saw that diagnosis as that label and what it means later on once that shame ande stigma is no longer with it. once you write about it you are public. it's out there.

no one can doubt you, do you know what i mean? you're already out and owning it in helping other people. like we don't share the same diagnosis but i but i sawn this book so much and i'm so grateful for what you did because it wasn't just this is the best book i read all 2020, it was, the best book and am so grateful to you for it because it wasn't just that book. it's are going to his side in the book, every other book i read because of the book. joyful, i love that book. other books you site and the other writers often women like to of written really important work and you dig into that research in a way that is much easier for me to get a broad sense of what's happening within this movement that i've been in for so long and yet have never seen a book like this. that's partly why i was so grateful for it. i'm going to ask some of the

questions. what are some ways narrowed of urgent people can engage with practices that are how overwhelming tuning into the internal sensory experiences interception can be? i recall you naming a lot of traditional awareness are not often veryy accessible to neurodivergent folks and answers about new s a approaches. >> that's a great question. i don't focus on meditation a lott in the book and honestly in my own life i am a movement person. i think you are, too, melody. the type of meditation i've been drawn to her like ties she -- tai chi, i love to dance and run and so for me all about is far more healing than just typing myself and sitting. i do this all the time -- hear

this all the time from other neurodivergent people like straight up my meditation does not work for them. how to totally answer the question but butd just say i would encourage people to not feel like there to stay inside i thought process for weightlifting meditation is supposed to be. we know so many mainstream things don't work for us and so that's the answer. >> that's a great answer. i'm not staying still at all for sure. another question if this is a lot of teachers like psych professionals and parents tend to tell me i am wrong when you speak about my own autistic experience because they learned it a different way or that the research does something else. how would you suggest responding in those situations? how can i make people understand all the research in the world

doesn't match another persons experience? that sometimes feel like my self advocacy falls on deaf ears. >> that makes a lot of sense and here that all the time. again we are in the beginning of this inspection terms of representation of women and girls,f and so this is why it's important to take the narrative into your own hands, for one. the second thing is i don't believe formal diagnosis is necessary or even important to be i honest. if we are working with a medical industry that is based on research that is literally 30 years old because it takes about 20 to 30 years for the research to get integrated into practice, then how can you let those people tell you who you are or who you aren't?

i think that's really huge and you will find many people out there who are self-identified. as a write in the book i did that go the formal diagnostic route because of what i'm talking about. that being said for some people it's usually important and it makes sense comes you need for accommodations in the classroom and works so it depends on your particular individual situation. again we are just at the beginning but the person who asked the question to know there are so many people out there like us. >> great answer. another question for both of us. what helps you integrate your label? do you have a recommendation for supporting someone who is beginning the process of integrating the different aspects of neurodivergent? >> do you want to go first? >> what helped me is people just

saying you are the same person. there was ae moment where i was told my husband like you can leave. if i can leave me right now i would leave me, him being able to say you were crazy on day one, this is not a new development for you. now you have a label for what you are not a different person. that was one of the things that was most helpful to me. how about you? >> that's interesting. what help me integrate it? .. so for me i remember i did the research of how women were being left out and then i read these things there is those initial moments of all my gosh.

then, just being a very serious person, being a journalist, you've got . let me dive into this. what's it all about? i need to learn more and more. there's sort of that initial period of discovery and its gradual. i think i took it one step at a time . this absorbing information and slowly opening up to family and friends, then getting more serious about it . that's how the book wasborn . my urgent mind came out of thiswhole process of discovery . then you get more and more comfortable and as you're more open likewe were seeing a few minutes ago it becomes integrated einto your life . so the more that you can be grounded in your own knowledge of you are and you

know, present that face to the world and to people around you, it will naturally get integrated >> there's a question here from adrian who says what skills do you have for gaining accommodation at work and i would say more importantly we need to educate our doctors on what neuro-diversity is like . it's not one page out of their textbooks but it's more complex than what they learned in their textbooksfor instance . >> yes . i think accommodation is an interesting topic. in the book i still pick on the topic of work a lot because i think it's just such an important place agency. you're in the world, you're interacting with a lot iof people. there's you take care of yourself and your family. so margo who is at verizon

now and everyone should look her up. in the book we talk about things, the usual things like where wto sit in the office and having text phones and things like that but more important it's the communication that happens. making sure that your boss and colleagues understand you and where you can share what you need or what you can't do . that to me seems like the really important piece. because then you will feel able to be yourself and ask for what you need. and another thing i talk about in the book and elsewhere is the importance of acceptance. when people who are autistic or neuro- divergent feel accepted both by themselves

and for the people around them, there are levels of discussion and anxiety go way down. that means you will be able to do your work better. i think that indication piece is important. i would love to see pools and universities and workplaces have really introductory neuro- diversity training. i don't think it requires thatmuch . people need to be educated and the information needs to be out there. so i definitely recommend that and some places are doing that. some of the bigger companies but it needs to be more commonplace. >> i think more of us that are in different industries, the better that becomes. i provide accommodations for my students and sometimes they don't want to be going to the disability resource center.

there's a stigma surrounding whatever that disability is i think they find that other professors are willing to provide accommodations, they don't have to go that specific route to get those accommodations. so there's another discussion here from tara who asks what is this business of providing support for the neuro- divergent community. >> everyone probably knows that the word treatment is a little tricky because we don't want to get into things like that so if we're talking about practices that just support well-being, that's an important conversation to have so in terms of the evolution of where that's all going, iinterviewed a lot of therapist for the book . so grace melancholy whose here in california, she's great.

she makes sure that there are no -- like, there's no food in the office so people's senses aren't getting overwhelmed. she keeps the lights very low. she makes sure the fan and ventilation are not too loud. she keeps soft materials. so she's very attentive to what would feel therapeutic for an adult which is important. love in their conversation about kids and also around boys. it's so encouraging that we have practitioners who are seeing the adultpopulation . so yes, and then honestly i feel there's a lot of neuro- divergent people who find their own hodgepodge of like wellness or they have to put some things together.

like for you and i it sounds like we both love dance and movement that helps us feel grounded and regulated and that kind of thing. for me, i spent a lot of time in nature. i'm always going on walks and hikes. and certainly a sort of classic therapist can be helpful but again if the therapist is not formed around sensory stuff and neuro- diversity stuff, then you know, i'm intrigued by some of the somatic practitioners out there but i feel like a lot of somatic practitioners don't know that much about the whole neuro- diversity perspective and something i'm cautious about that i want everyone to know is there is an element in the kind of dramatic world where

people want to pin everything to trauma and where they just want to say you're having this because of x and this thing needs to be looked at. i just really disagree with that and i think that's quite horrible and there's kind of a resistance in some of that therapeutic community because they've been trained to only see things through the lens of trauma. i think that's dangerous, i really do so i want to macaution people. if you encounter that to know that that is a bit extremist and that's something we want to push against and in the book divergent mind i start off by looking at the history of psychiatry and all the errors were made when people did become fundamentalist and wanting to pin everything on one aspect of one's life or existence and that's the kind of thing that we really want

to getaway from . and it's also why i feel so strongly that individuals can put together their own narrative or pieces that they truly utfind helpful and not to just admit to one. i hope this all makessense . >> it makes so much sense and would you say the book is about you creating that narrative or yourself ? i atsense some people benefit from cognitive behavioral therapy.i was one that didn't as you noted but now it's actually researched, the stuff that is so frequently apologized. the things we do to learn t about ourselves and i hear doctors say things like don't google it and i know google isn't the best place but read a book e. this book was so therapeutic

and i think people forget that so one of the books is with you being the right, as part of planning that narrative for yourself as well? >> i. visa the other day people know is the neuro- price and we were talking about my journey i was saying how writing this was kind of like an investigative journey. i'm so this was my chance to divein . it very much was this simultaneous process of time on this journey of discovery. i'm going to figure out what i need to know and what empowering for me and yes, what is the story i need to reclaim . then how can all this information help everyone out there the same journey because there are so many of us out there. yes, so that's what came out

was this personal story. a real hope for other people to find our own sort of healing journey y. >> if i could jump in andthis is a question for both of you . you have a type of neuro- trend which has been on the books for a while. do you guys have any other recommendation of books that people can see that are up-to-date and reflect more accurately the experience of being neuro- divergent that isn't necessarily like a psychological textbook or something more scientific ? >> you can go to jerana neurenberg's twitter feed and usyou will find a list together and i'm not just saying that because my latest book is offered but jenara has put

together a stellar list which i willretweet right now . >> it's true, on twitter i often do shout out other books and on the top of my twitter put together a list of people seem to appreciate it. these are books that came out in 2020 all written by neuro- divergent authors in different fields. that's what we love to see. we want this information. it needs to be in the realm of psychology but there's a chef on there,there's an academic on their . there's a virtual-reality expert on their. that's what we want to see. we want to see expertise integrated into the wider world. so in terms of my recommendations on top of what i shared on twitter, i actually think some of my, she wrote the book doing harm and her book is all about

gender bias that arfocuses more on autoimmune issues. but it's just a really important work . and i always recommend nick walker and nick has done a lot of blog pieces actually around neuro- diversity terminology and sort of like changing our perspective within psychology. and then i always recommend neuro- tribes and yes, i do list several in this book as well. >> thank you rory. there's not going to be enough time to go to all the questions but could you pick some or do you want me to -- >> emily is muted but you can pick one to start and then i

will look through i haven't read through all of them but there's one about being bilingual including others. however, it feels like i'm coming more of a target at work. it doesn't help that my psychiatrists believes in increasing drugs as a fix. how do i avoid becoming a target? >> that's very interesting and i don't have all the information to know exactly what it means to be a target. i don't know if you're talking about workplace bullying or someone using a neuro- divergent person as a scapegoat which is horrible. so yes. i mean, if you're able to try different psychiatrists, that's made all the difference . and again, unfortunately a

lot of this information is so new and it's not integrated it can be helpful to do your own research and a lot of even medical papers are available online and i know people who literally have to do that. it can actually also be helpful to literally lltake divergent minds with you to your therapist or to your psychiatrist office which i've heard of people doing. to be like look, there's research behind all of this and you need to know what this is about. so yes, it's kind of a hard and tricky question to answer without having all the information but check out different psychiatrists if possible and in terms of the workplace question,bringing the book to work . >> i don't know if pro-public and keeps it out but they have a list where you can put in different psychiatrists and see how much money they

take from big pharma. you can see how much money they're getting from big pharma thanks to propublica. there's a question about whether your offering training sessions or if you have a group you would recommend in terms of formal neuro- diversity training. >> there's different kinds of neuro- diversity training so it depends on thespecifics . i certainly will give talks and do events like this and i've authored a few classes in the past and yes, it depends but people can reach me. my website is divergent lift .com and i have a contact there. i heard from someone this morning who wants me to share some of the perspectives of a

more academic conference which is exciting. i love this information to be able to penetrate different fields. so feel free to reach out to me on my website. >> i'm chasing jenara's list right now. i see your question. you said you're not on twitter- pasted the media piece i was referring to into the chat. >> there's so many questions. going to get to it once. one is melanie and jenara, any plans on creating a workbook to go of your will you be pdf resources? >> i'll answer that one real quick audio is available. i haven't thought about

putting pdf to get resources. the resources that here also appears in the e-book so that a easy option. you can download it on kindle books and google books. so all the resources are out there. it's just a matter of finding the rightformat . in terms of publishing a workbook along, divergent minds is an interesting mix. his journalistic investigated also a lot of things that. for divergent minds, it's probably on his own not you, melody ? >> my latest book, i'm not planning a workbook but we're

translating it into rc. the original from the transition on my website but that's the closest thing to. i love you someone to do those trainings and conferences all the time but my screen you you you first. using like official training and identity training is diversity training is i, okay with that people doing this way, frequently is one thing to be well-versed in something. they race or 30 have mine in

his community and you rent a lot, you listed and divergent my a. you can read you textbooks. one you just don't open the sourcebook do you call that in one place you just don't recognizing and. you are a leader in life too so that is something you figured out later and was legitimate anger. why part of this in terms of a just being apologize as hysterical. there's not this space to be maybe interpret the world. maybe he hasn't yet now the world.

i saw you doing that or over again that's what next this book so special things is your perspective. your side. >> we were saying before, representation is huge. also left a liar issue. i love to see more divergent creators revealed. a lot see you so stories on wider screens. that's really. >> you guys said earlier you are cool with saying a little later. is that still the case? maybe you want more questions . >> i you are, melody, are you okay?

>> is know you said. i agree that we talk about this before we went live i love this book. it might be my favorite books of all time now. i've never felt so understood as knowledge so validated work and i have this says i'm not alone which so often, now . so often it happens. you read these books written by professionals in the field experience. does have the background is so different hearing from another woman who was diagnosed way, knows what this is. it's something when you're divergent you don't know that your neuro- divergent, there's a tendency to feel very lost misunderstood and you don't understand what's going on so i'm glad that you wrote this book and you frame it in such a way that we can

knowledge that is not a deficiency, isa gift . i was diagnosed 31 and i had a hard time accepting it first read and why was something deficit. now i'm very proud of my autism but i'm so proud that you wrote this book so hopefully other women that experienced don't have a hard time accepting things and can realize it makes them were beautiful. >> thank you for sharing that and it's so important and i'm so glad to hear that it resonated so much. >> i have a question here. this is from anonymous. have you heard about the autism fundraiser colors of the spectrum with jimmy kimmel celebrities.

is blowing up autistic twitter with the organization like autism speaks problematic in a lot of ways. so many nonprofits for neuro- divergent communities is seems how problems at the most well-known ones . you have advice or allies to which organizations are informed by divergence versus those are as harmful as. >> like the question asked her said, this tends to happen a lot. , a cause will be taken up. and then it gets a little controversial around who was at the helm of this cause. a fundraising effort or an organization or field so it goes back to what melody and i were talking about. representation is so huge.

i think people in a wider world need to take that really seriously. and so yes, i don't have specific recommendations around certain organizations that. i have seen a little bit of this on twitter is a. but again, i think it speaks you needing to shift the conversation as possible you the efforts into the hands of people with less experience. and that's just the time. i think the twitter community divergence community bars is very good at being vocal and really expressing the issues well. and so yes. i think a lot about this kind

of thing in terms of history looking at how things eventually come together and get integrated into the world and it does with these individual actions and action hoand so i think we will see soon. . it's been exciting. melanie and i see a lot of other neuro- divergent writers and readers and filmmakers and producers so it's just going to keep sort of pushing where it more or less yes to kind of design these things i would encourage everyone to keep going. >> go ahead. >> i was going to go into another question. >> you write a bunch about masking how i was interested

in it as an unconscious reaction to patriarchy and white supremacy that happens, neuro- divergent or not. i think it happens all the time especially with. i love how much farther out you can take that? >> i think that's a great question. for everyone watching or listening, masking is this term we use a lot in the neuro- divergent community where it's like, what does a person have to do in order to kind of get on in the world and what kinds of things you have to hide to kind of computer normal? it can really take a toll on someone after a while that pressure builds up a lot of people and not falling apart or melting down, shutting down in just recently okay

not going to do this anymore. it's not working for me. and i totally agree. i think that's something i put a little bit and afterward of the paper of divergence my is the way that neuro- normatively and whiteness intersect so what we think of as normal is often predicated by whiteness and so this excessively proper, detached, closed off, not real energy and way of interacting with people. there's many different words this but i find it really important and critical to those two because i feel like collectively, our country is

designing with this. then we have these so it's like the neuro- diversity community are also talking about this. there is this energy of a, what is this? why do we expect people to a certain way or act a certain way and desires was normal and was not normal? is it patriarchy, when supremacy ? so i think that's a really conversation and say that the more. and yes. again, i'm excited to see where we go with it artists are the important in this process. the more that really created people integrate these kinds of shifts in perspective and there were again inland phil, media, exhibits. even social media. i think the more that these

expectations get unpacked, the sooner they will kind of dissolve. >> on that note, shiloh had a question and i'm not sure since you are not necessarily a filmmaker if you'll be able to answer this one but shiloh asks jenara, i love your book. i agree with you about social media presentation. only individuals have beautiful ideas around their future or humanity. how would a person translate that row neuro- diversity is correct? >> that's a great question, thank you for asking . i actually am thinking of this a lot. i have a friend who are

mostly friends of color who are collaborating in hollywood to change the narrative around race and media representation. which is so awesome so we've been in conversation around how to do the same for something like disability representation or mental illness representation, neuro- divergent representation so that's something i'm thinking about 82 on. i had to be a gradual process . it's getting to know the industry better, learning life shiloh was saying. i finding people where we all are still together, put our heads together around what is ? when we had dinner or lines basically. pipeline creators.

i'll be way easier for people to go from story ideas to being in room onset? so for people who arewatching or listening , reach out that's something you have experienced in this industry and would like to avlook into that. it's something i'mthinking about a lot . and for anyone who's ready to jump in right now, there's always fellowships and it's not like incubators. they're so extremely competitive and usually have to know someone or someone in a recommendation so be tricky . so we'll see. we'll see if we can build something. >> i want to be respectful of your time even though you did say you can stay a little later . maybe one more question i'll

let melanie and max yes this is the last question. >> no pressure. >> here is one. i'm not particularly interested in the diagnosis but i do want to learn more about myself. i don't think i fit in one of these labels but your box help me realize my experience with anxiety social confusion wants to mine rhode island version but i'm not sure about the next. need work accommodations. i have a great work set up but what is your house my neuro- to urgency? >> that's a good question. i think the question is what do you need to do, but is ?here anything to do

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