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database take foundation, if you will. a couple of years ago the foundation decided to bring the idea of state having more control over the destiny to washington d.c. and bring the common sense state oriented policy to washington d.c. so they stood up organization vice president federal affairs and state trust and we are dealing with a wide variety of issues including healthcare policy, election integrity policy and immigration energy and environment and the like but the moment front and center for us is the border, especially texas and mexico border. >> you are recently down there on the bar, what is the common sense solution to this search we've been seeing over 180,000 interactions between border agents and migrants just last

month? >> common sense approach is simply to return to the policy that was in place before january 20 this year. january 20 of this year, the biden administration department of homeland security on the first half day of the new administration terminated enrollment in a program called migrant protection protocols otherwise known as remain in mexico policy and what that policy said was if you come into the united states and put stepped foot on this soil and make a claim for asylum and not a mexican national, he will be returned to mexico while your claim here is being processed so that took a spike of 2019 over 140,000 apprehensions of the border to a a little over 23000 less than a year later so that

protection protocols remain in mexico policy has been the most successful at reducing the crisis at the border that was in place under the trump administration, the trump administration put that in place and what we see today as a result of effectively terminating that policy because if you're not into new people in the program the program is essentially not existent heard from folks from del rio migrant protection protocols remain in mexico has been the most successful programs of other experienced and they want it back. >> explain the part of the border you saw. >> in del rio, texas the sector of therd border has historically been one of the lowest areas in regard to experiencing illegal encounters, illegal alien encounters at that border but year over year 2020 -- may 2021,

there's been over four 100% increase in the important thing is the relatively small city, it's not the size where the rgb sector headquarters or el paso the el paso sector headquarters, it's historically sickly at the center of the southern border between texas and mexico so it has not seen this unprecedented crush of illegal migration across the border. in fact, only in 2019 did del rio have their first ngo nongovernmental organization to deal with this crisis that started at that strike in 2019 so this is something there unfamiliar with and understandably, unprepared for and it crushing the county and the area. >> a lot of discussion and questions this week about kamala

harris and her efforts on migration and whether she should go to the border or when that will happen. if you were advising her, where would you tell her she needs to go? >> i tell her to go to del rio because it was eye-opening. we had a a town hall meeting hosted by local officials there and we are able to hear firsthand from people living in the area and how it is affecting them. there businesses, their personal lives and families, their branches and properties and one of the things i now regret, i wish i could have taken a pool, i've been out of office several years now some little rusty on these things but secretary mayorkas has said the border is closed multiple times. i wish i could have asked the town hall meeting folks if they

believe the border was closed. i think i knowed with the unanimous opinion would have been. >> the vice president traveling to guatemala addressing root causes of migration. a news conference on monday about the message to migrants, this is what she had to say. >> i want to possess the goal of our work is help find help at home. at the same time, i want to be clear to folks in this region thinking about making that dangerous trek to the us-mexico border, do not come. do not come. united states will continue to enforce our laws and secure our border.

there are legal methods by which migration can and should occur but we, as one of our priorities, will discourage illegal migration and i believe if you come to our border, you will be turned back. so let's discourage our friends, neighbors, family members from embarking on what otherwise is an extremely dangerous journey. in large part, the people who only benefit our coyotes. >> vice president in guatemala monday, did she send the right message? >> she sent the right message in words but i can tell from firsthand experience from what i've heard from local officials, people in del rio especially, that is if she believes, as she said they will be turned back,

that is not a very strong belief because it's not happening and i can tell you first hand it's not happening because we saws people had come to the border the very day they were going to be released into the interior and was idea of telling the people of the northern triangle country and elsewhere in the world not to come is something president biden did in an interview with george stephanopoulos in the middle of march and honestly on the first day of the president administration and they issued, the department of homeland security issued that notice remain in mexico policy, they had on the same announcement, for people not to come to the southwest border to try to cross illegally because the immigration bill the president would send to capitol hill would not cover them so they will not

done so january first of this year. from the beginning, literally from the beginning of this administration first half day, they've known this is going to be the result of these policies they put in place and p they should realize actions speak louder than words so it doesn't matter how many times you admonish foreign nationals not to come, they will come, they are coming and is nothing that says they want to stop them. >> served in congress six terms in the late 90s an early 2000 now with the policy foundation and here with us on the "washington journal", 8:45 p.m. eastern taking your phone calls as we talk about border security and immigration issues 2,027,481,000. democrats independent 2,027,488,002. plenty of calls already. this is springfield gardens, new york.

independent. good morning. are you with us? >> yes, good morning. i am appalled by the congressman's comments. over six years, why didn't you do something when the majority in congress to actually fix the problemto? >> we took several measures in the 12 years i was in congress in 1996, we passed the illegal immigration reform act to put in place many provisions that strengthen, at that time, what was i and as and 2006 and the department of homeland security was created where we consolidated the immigration customs under the department of homeland securitynt and in 2006e

enacted the defense act which would have established i think about 7150 miles of the southern border so we did take measures in that 12 years i was in congress but it has been a problem for decades, previous administrations on the reportn inside and democrat side have been slow to aggressively enforce the border and it's something we are still dealing with today. >> greg, ohio, republican. >> good morning. >> you're on with john. >> talking about impeachment, the biden administration because

my best friends home down in texas, they killed the family. you don't hear nothing about that they are covering it up and i'm tired of fighting -- >> impeachment would be a measure to potentially address this but unfortunately, what we need to do is put a policy in place now that will provide for the border now. if you look at the makeup of congress at this time, it's highly unlikely even articles of impeachment would be considered in the democrat controlled house much less try and the democrat-controlled senate so what we are concentrating is more reinstating policy that we

know has worked in putting in place new policies we believe will even enhance even further the situation on thehe board. >> arlington, washington. jeff. democrat. good morning. >> good morning. it needs to be pointed out that nobody in the biden administration has talked about we have open borders and the only people saying that our idiots on fox news and trumpet tears were saying we have open borders. how much of the stuff is caused people, immigrants to wind? so-called illegal immigration and that's not my only question. >> what you take your second question and we will take them both. what's your second motion? we will take them both when you're done.

>> that's the other thing, i've aboutheard anybody talk this, my comments how much of the influx of people coming across the border -- >> all right, we will take the question. >> earlier, actions speak much louder than words so whether it's the biden administration saying borders are closed or fox news, as you say might be saying the borders are open or whoever says what, the simple fact is that the processes and policy in place will determine the search at the border. good policy will frustrate and cause people to stay home, out of the united states, bad policy or no policy in the case of the biden administration will simply invite more people into the country. >> a couple questions from

social media.qu jan wants to know specifically whether you are advocating impeaching biden over the border policy. >> no, i'm not advocating impeaching the president over border policy. >> from florida, how could four years of republicans not have fixed this problem? >> four yearsua of republicans d fix this problem, president donald trump, obviously. the trump administration put in place policies whether they were made in mexico policy for asylum claims dealing with mexico or asylum cooperative agreements signed by el salvador, honduras and guatemala. the trump administration put in place policies some of them ultimately overturned many of the strongg ones were in place and significantly reduced

illegal encounters of the border so for years of republican to make a difference. >> the encounters reported by customs and border patrol last month, the numbers including less unaccompanied children but more single adult the majority of those were expelled under title 42 which allows for explosion to prevent the spread long title 42 around four? we know about something that can be rescinded especially the united states moving out of the covered crisis? how long do you expect that to be around? >> i expect title 42 broached probably not to be around any longer as the rest of the world continues to get vaccinated and i think this administration will have the excuse to relax as they arty have in regard to unaccompanied alien children so

i think they are desiring to terminate title for -- 42 altogether and i will say while that will cause a significant increase in illegal reentry into the u.s., there is the other side which the folks in del rio talked about, because of title 42 and those restrictions, individuals from mexico are legally allowed and have legal initial augmentation to come into the u.s. being prohibited from doing so some of them are finding it easier to come into the u.s. illegally so there's all kinds of problems with seen and unseen with this biden

administration policy. >> it's texas felt policy foundation, i wonder if you canx talk about this and explain texas news today, greg abbott building a barrier along the border with mexico details about the offer but said texas will arrest those try to breach the barrier, construction starting immediately. >> building, continuing the building of a will and texas has been something the toxic policy foundation, our ceo has been putting in place, talking about fourou a long time so this is something we think needs to take place so we've admonished the governor to do this. unfortunately likely going to have to happen state dollars because as you probably know the

federall government has completely stopped construction which left little holes in fencing for individuals, we saw in the del rio sector has been able to get under temporary fencing and get over temporary fencing as a a result of holes n the fencing so texas is doing what texas does and that is, they will fix their own problems and we think it's a good place to go to the governor also said he's going to look into individualss and essentially tae applications from individuals who have had property damage and try to obtain reimbursement from the federal government as al result of the biden administration not physically executing the laws of the u.s.,h creating a task force of officials in texas to address the border crisis so we think

these are t all very good measus the governor is putting forward. >> the texas legislature budget that ramps up spending on corporate security to more than $1 billion over the coming two years, it remains to be seen one of the funding is part of this new initiative, dallas news.com. california, independent. good morning. >> good morning. but i can't understand, all of this is going on, i 75, i'm in my apartment 21 years there's only three residents have been here since i've been here. everybody else is many people in one or two bedroom apartments. all of this is going on and it happened during the trump administration and they are

still coming in and they will keep coming in but what i'm saying is, what is better than i video other than words, if you can see it and touch it will take videos of what's going on in texas at thehe border in california, we've got everything on video. everybody coming in like last night, they come in 11:30 p.m. and i said who's there i would open my door. >> i think we are hearing much of the frustration all along the border to take video if it falls on deaf ears with the biden administration which it seems to be the case, at least the rest of the american people will know and see what their own eyes was happening as a result of this lack of policy on the part of the biden administration but

another part, the folks del rio talking about, i served in the house of representatives from indiana and what's happening in del rio is a transient situation, the one ngo i mentioned thatie there does not have capacity authorization and overnight accommodations for the people they serve so coming in through del rio quickly and they are coming into the country, the volunteers who talked to us from the coalition said they are going to florida, utah, indiana, know i was probably from indiana but indiana and all over the country so what begins on the border doesn't end up on the border, is coming to the rest of the country and that's why we need for policy at the bordere .

>> people were relieved of the laskos, showing what's happening. you know if customs border patrol agents, where body cameras and ifdy so, if media organizations can get access to that? >> that's a great question, i am not sure about. but that is something we need to ask. we will look into. >> richard in maryland. democrat. good morning. >> good morning. a couple callers referenced the performance republicans have the opportunity to something about migration policy, i want to expand on that slightly. this influx of illegal immigrants started under the george bush administration. he met with fox five or more times, they were not talking about what will it. after that, they came over the border and it was national

policy and corporate interest for cheap employment and another given opportunity plant the largest minority groups jobs and housing and everything else by allowing them to come over and work for cheap labor, food service and the whole so the only time republicans get involved, when they can weaponize to distract or possibly use it to get back into power, they were the genesis poor immigration policy and george bush is a great story, a young reporter wants to get out the minute george bush and fox five meetings over the phone or even in person. >> all right, congressman. >> was happening now is probably more purpose, the books living

now but i will respond to that in 2006, republican-controlled senate did pass an amnesty and it was -- if you think something now, you have to understand the first amnesty passed in 1986 created the way that would ultimately come to us 20 years later in 26 -- excuse me. republican-controlled house of representatives that did not pass the amnesty in 2006 so publicans have been somewhat to mind on this issue but as i mentioned earlier, and i know you probably don't want to talk about the trump administration but we know the remain in mexico policy, a solemn cooperative agreements with the northernnt triangle, hundreds in guatemala

showed demonstrable results, significant reductions in encounters at the southern border so if you want to fix this and not talk about history, which i am all in favor of history but if you want us to sell the today, we need to return to the policies we know have worked. >> on our social media page, steve in florida saying still not enforced crews instructing. >> you verify enforced but to a great extent, it's voluntary on the part of employers and for several years when i was in congress and my colleague from texas was there, the author of the verify system was there, we work to try to get mandatory but as is the case, there a lot of us of interest in u.s. that

didn't want it to happen. >> who specifically? >> well, employers. not all employers but various, there a lot of industries did not want to take this on. >> because of cost or concern they would have to lose workers? >> they would lose workers and have to pay higher wages to obtain workers to replace them so when i was in congress, we attempted to make that mandatory on several occasions, multiple occasions but we were not able to so that in a very important program that likewise works. >> industries don't get a vote in congress so wasn't republicans that pushed back against you making that mandatory are the democrats?

where, in terms ofas moving it o the floor, where wasas the pushback? >> the pushback was across the board and it was bipartisan when the democrats had control of both chambers of congress and the whitead house, they could he verified as mandatory, they could do it today. they haven't done it today so and republicans didn't make it, we created it but we didn't make it mandatory so like i said, there are both sides to blame. >> tactics public policy foundation, works on the state trust initiative there and you can check them out at state trust.com. tony in connecticut, democrat. your next. >> goodt. morning. i'm a lifelong democrat a blue

state and my senators and aoc a couple of years ago went down and showed dying kids in the water, they showed in the cages and etc. and i don't see them anymore and i'm sorry tired of seeing poor people dying in these rivers and the other thing that concerns me, it seems to be a divide, certain party, certain sides will call this a crisis and others don't like cnn does not call it a crisis "washington journal" c-span, i watch the last few weeks or so, you have the border crisis and all the stuff going on, you do not use the word crisis yet. i heard the other day it was called an issue. i is this a crisis or not? please, sir making it a partisan

thing. where are these people? the silence is deafening. >> lifelong democrat, did you vote for joe biden? >> yes, i did and i'm very disappointed my gas has gone up, my food has gone up, it's craziness. >> did you think joe biden has a stronger border policy donald trump? >> you know what concerns me? we paid for the law and biden stopped the border wall, he left holes in the wall. people are coming through. >> i guess my question is, why did you vote for joe biden? >> i voted because i thought we needed a change. i thought we needed to change. the country was divided. i didn't mind trump's policy what i saw on tv, including this, there is too much hatred.

you get the people on tv. there's hatred. people in the street, you see this on the g7 summit, these people are meeting with joe biden, they didn't give him the time of day. the goal of his unnamed sources and controversy started. all this stuff, he couldn't get anything done. >> that's tony in connecticut. >> there is an issue of the border and in my opinion, as a result of visiting dell real recently and during all the other stories the border as well as potentially critical i believe there is a crisis and i think it is important for folks like tony to know that everything that's going on under the biden administration, the candidate joe biden said, in a very lengthy campaign website

dissertation on what was going to happen, all of this we knew and texas public policy foundation after the election november 2020, basically working joe biden doing what he said he would do during the campaign and we predicted this at the border so it's not really news, it's newsworthy as it is today but what's happening is not news as such. i will address a troubling aspect of our visit to the border and that was the sheriff mentioned in 2020, they unfortunately pulled three or four individuals from the water drowned as a result of trying to cross illegally.

this year they've already taken nine individuals out of various bodies of water and tried to cross including a woman expecting twins and the sheriff said they claim all three tools in their statistics which is appropriate so this lack of a policy, these factors growing hundreds of thousands and likely will be millions by the end of the calendar year to the border, causingg widespread catastrophe upon immunity in various aspects of this endeavor and i hope the biden administration will take another look at policy. >> talked about your trip to del rio several times, but on the

other side? >> that's a great question, a communion is the namee of the city, i think about that right it is a much larger city than del rio, it's about five to six times of del rio and a lot of the people in del rio can cross into mexico to work there and we had one tragic account from one of the attendees of our town hall meeting and says she has a friend that lives in mexico she iworks with that was raped by, they believe she alleged illegal alien making their way through mexico into the united states so the tragedy is being played out on. the of the border. are at least as frustrated and furious about what's happening on the work as the folks in del rio.

just the reason this was happening is because of lack of policy changes in policy by the biden administration. >> a few more calls from less than ten minutes left. blake has been waiting in mississippi. independent. e good morning. >> good morning, i want to let the congress know and tired of them playing around when black oupeople are the foundation of everything this country is built on. you can't help people in masses why you literally got your book on my neck. jimm crow banking laws, it's discrimination on every and to help these people come in, they

come out of the black man's mouth. they don't upset right people until a generation. they have to have housing, b-schools, they have to have a job the first, there's no immigration unemployment double illegal immigration. african americans because it makes no sense that one has 30 times the wealth of another in the country. >> congressman. >> when i was chairman on border security and claims, we dealt with this issue and the impact of illegal migration into the u.s.il on the black community ad is a significant issue, a significant problem and sent issue lost in many situations. we've got to address it and

what's happening in this country and it's going to be hard to do as long aso there is this mass influx of illegals coming in and earlier you mentioned this idea of turning folks back on title 42, we just learned of last month that while the biden administration has been saying this for their entire ten years that they are turning people away, in february, march and april they released 61000 individuals into the interior so much of what we are being told happening, we are learning through reports after the fact probably not thehe case. >> carol in royal oak michigan. republican. good morning. >> good morning. i have two comments. one, you think our cultural will

ever have the courage to do away with the anchor law number two, i live in michigan and i can't imagine an influx from canada which borders like what you're putting up with in texas, i can't imagine what that's like. i'll hang up and listen for your answer. thank you very much. >> the so-called anchor baby situation is a situation as a result of the 14th amendment section oneam say one in the u.. and naturalized there shall be citizens of the united states so that'sas been interpreted since ratification of that amendment, if an individual is born in u.s. they a citizen of the u.s. so

there is ongoing debate, especially with an conservative circles and think tanks as to whether that is actually the case, if the wording of that amendment ratified and i think it was 1868, is that still true today and is applied today or freed slaves as an extension, if you will of the 13thio amendment so it's an ongoing debate select the results, being held in h the court saying that person is born in the u.s. they are a citizen of the u.s. >> 1868 is the correct year for the moment, did you personally want to do away with birthright citizenship? >> the texas policy foundation

has taken no position onit this and we are concentrated on the policy borders so john, i'd love to return to you sometime in the future to talk to you more about the citizenship in the 14th amendment. >> we will have you back on down the road. a couple of minutes here this morning and a couple more colors. cheryl has been waiting in kansas, independent. good morning. >> question is, i want to know, what are we doing really for the border? and the economy, is it really getting back on track? >> to questions. final twoon minutes. >> with regards to the border, i can tell you and i should have said this at the outset, border patrol cvp dozens and border protection arehe stretched to their limit. they are true heroes in this crisis and literally people are

being kept alive, they are saving lives of theer border. they are executing the policy this administration has put in place as agents of the executive branch and i can tell you without reservation that i believe they are frustrated because they see what is happening and understand they are essentially 51000 released over three months, that we know of officially reported and it's very different from the previous administration so what's happening at the border is effectively open border to a large section of those have come to the border so i will say that is the situation we have. the second question i can't quite remember.

>> you have a final minute to wrap up the go-ahead. >> border security coalition of texas public policy foundation, we have about 12 to 14 membersat going to del rio recently and what we learned from there is that the border is stressed, as i mentioned border patrol and customs and borderor patrol are stretched to the limit, they are doing the best job they can under the policy constraintsat they've been put under and what's happening at the border is really going to come to the places ime mentioned the folks t the ngo said at the border and that is, they are going to come to utah, florida, indiana, we know of one particular group of migrant going to oregon as a result of personal interaction we have with looks at an airport

so this crisis at the border is going to come to the rest of the country in a matter of time in fact why we need to return to the policies that have worked in the past demonstrated they are working. >> john with the texas public policy foundation where he worked on trust initiatives, states trust.com. appreciate your time. come back and talk to us again. >> look forward to it. ♪♪ >> everyday we take your calls live on the air on the news of the day and discussed policy issues that impact you. coming up wednesday morning, oklahoma republican congressman kevin, member of the committee commenting on president biden's economic proposals and congressional news of the day. then illinois democratic congressman jesus garcia, member of the transportation and infrastructure committee talking about congressional development on president biden's economic and infrastructure plan.

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