>> ♪ ♪ >> a buckeye broadband along with these television companies support cspan2 as a public service. >> is now on book tv more television for serious readers. >> nice to see everybody today, thank you all for joining us thank you for joining us at the heritage foundation. my name is jessica anderson on the executive director of heritage action which is nation's most effective and largest grassroots organizations in the country but we represent over 2 million activists and 20000 for fighting every single day of our freedom at the local, state level. says why we are so interested in our guest new book which outlines the fight that all

americans currently state in opposing the regime old grassroots agenda for defending america securing our freedom and ensuring policy put america first. sean spicer is a man he will probably do not need introduction to print you here, you know how we really got to know sean i think for really the first time as the first talk with the president work with activists across the country he has found time to pen this new fantastic book which we are going to discuss today. the book is called radical nation, joe bidart inc. kamala harris dangerous plan for america. please help me in joining

welcoming john spicer. [applause] >> take a seat. >> this is a beautiful precooked is a gorgeous day it's great to have this conversation with you this is an absolute fantastic and timely book. i'm able to read it everyone here will take home a copy as well. going to start their what were you thinking going into the book? obviously written a few books before this iss your third period this is everything we are seeing and washington, the biden regime, very, very dangerous agenda. what led you to write this book? was your thinking behind it what made you take pen to paper? >> right after his clear joe biden was become president in

january, hugh mannix which is the publishing divisions that would initiate book out right away. you are in a unique position because of your past experience to do this. they said if we can do it real quick we take a look at these peoplepe and what you think is important that the people need to know? at the time i was like okay we look at the people in these key positions. it was to be a warning and when you write a book you sometimes you don't know the environment that's going to take place. there is a clear landing strip for this because so much of what i write about is a literally happening right now but whether the voting rights, n

people there to chapters in there about thehe media. what is happening now, jessica, and read the "washington post" if you ever saw a lego movie it's like everything is great everything is fine. >> the call afghanistan a success and people said the other day the economy was a success. now if you don't know any different if that's were getting your news from your waking up, go to work, drop the kids off, and you're living your life you like okay but you don't realize there is actual this entire plan taking place in front of her eyes it's frankly changing the fabric and structure of our country. the best part about this essay okay your partisan thoughts i think know joe biden said is going to most progressive president ever thosee are his words not mine. three fridays ago today, he

said if we passed by one point to and 3.5 pieces of legislation will transform the structure and nature of the economy, his words. who votes foror that? i don't member that coming up during the campaign. the structure and nature of our economy? what is wrong with it? i did not realize we had a huge problem that needed fixing. we need to understand that was going on in front of her eyes. and if we don't wake up this i hate to say it's a lot of folks on the right talk about the fact that biden is not in charge and he's not doing, we are minimizing the problem. the problem is whoever's in charge i don't really care but they are going in a direction i don't want to go. i don't think most peoplear realize that once we head there, once government has itsio tentaclesle and things that never let's go. see when you talk a lot in the book. your deep into how biden basically became who he is and

a lot of the advice he is taking. towardsng the end of the book's seat and incredibly pivotal moment in the buy demonstration at the beginning but everybody in the room not that we are available and so you write and going to read this to everybody. in support of this meetingts joe biden has his place in history that is why the hell bent on accomplishing in a bigig hurry. but the story about a secret meeting called the recession how big is too big and how fast is too fast for once-in-a-lifetime historic changea to america this outlined the history marker of the mentality that pervades today.

reported to biden exactly what he wanted to hear. a bipartisanship now is the time including bipartisan niceties as a filibuster. you are on to say historians will big time then there's this part. the really tie this together. they confirm joe biden worst instincts are to them to expand the power of government beyond we south fdr. joe biden loves the narrative that he's older bigger thinking than fdr and president obama. >> exactly. but think about it everything he said, he gets it. i think they get this unlike a lot of previous administrations they have a window and they know you have to get this much and done as quick as possible.

last night he was asked what you consider removing the filibuster for certain things he said yes for voting rights potentially for other things. he gets it. at some point they are just going to do it. especially iff they realize that they're going to lose the house which they will. mark my words a few weeks leading up to it is going to be a flurry. they are going to get as much done as possible. i will give him a politician heci understands he have to submit his legacy. fdr is still fdr but we talk about him he went big and bold of all these government programs because of that. the only way you become the talking point in the future is you know what biden did? he's got to get all the stuff done. one point to join 3.5 join those are numbers we've never heard of, he gets it. and he wants people to be talking about him or member what biden did and replace the talk of the new deal with the number one remembered biden

did the back better that within a talking point for politicians in the future on the left. he gets the fact that barack obama may have been the first black president but he'll be the most progressive president. and he wants to >> that. i don't think it is alarmist to suggest that at his age he is probably a one term president. i think he recognizes that part in both eyes, ears, and a pulse gets that. he's going to do as much as he can asas quick as he can. >> the impact of this will be profound. >> absolutely. i think one of the things that i like to say is you have to understand what i call the big lie. why are they doing all of this? and the thing is, is it in isolation you can explain a one or two fixed it's because of this or that. and itt is not. they are all tied together.

everything is about maintaining permanent politicalpe power, right? think about this. if you have power and it is permanent you can continue to pass your policies. so what you need to do? two things you need to maintain power in those key areas, right so when you pack the court. to you make d.c. a state you make puerto rico say what happens you could potentially for permanent democratic senators the district of columbia votes 95 -- five on a good day. for democrats. it is like a given. you'll have two democrats. in considering the history of the senate will be pretty hard to start overcoming not just to but for definitely that gives you that. it guarantees you will never lose a majority. what you need new voters. yet people came to the southern border you immediately make them eligible for citizenship. i do things like vermont you

now allow citizens to vote in local election to get them driver license if you have a drivers license and you can vote, who's going to check the you cannot vote in a federal election? no one. you start to do that and you ensure you will always have the vote and you've always got the institution in control. >> with the policy agenda were single $5.5 trillion reconciliationon construction package. to all of the policies you worry and read about in this book there is a process agenda of the filibuster with additional states where there's political agenda because they want to win election >> their power. you talk about this in your book. the agenda should cancel conservatives because every aspect of life in the media.

the goingng after news the going after families are going after parents synaptic critical race theory what to do with cancel agenda? like somebody brought up it ties into the first two things. our agenda and are policies that make sense. the second that you expose that, they win. they went and we lose so what are they have toe do? they have to cancel if they don't avoid hazards they call you a racist, a bigot, a misogynist. anytime you challenge anything you are a bad person. i got to be honest if someone is dealt with my fair share of that it does not feel great. and it takes some pretty thick skin. i'll give you an example i was out with a bunch of guys a couple of weeks ago and they were telling a story in virginia were a bunch of parents were getting involved in their school in one of the

women works at verizon. so she was arguing against the changes they were making things she didn't think they made sense or whatever so what did they do? they called verizon they called hr and said your publicly traded company we want to letbl you know this woman has been engaged in racist behavior. and should that come up in the workforce we just wanted to make sure you documented she's doing this in her private life. hurt racist actions were speaking out about changes the schooled board wanted to make. they wanted to make sure it was documented in hr. so what you think the hr person does? maybebo i should call the boss and see what is going on. so immediately what is the reaction?

he wants people in front of their house, who wants their number listed online? they cancel you. they shame you. it takes a lot to get it. i would not want that for my family, my friends. i know my family has had to endure stuff and i would not wish it on anybody. they say i'm going to silent i'm going to shut you up right then you cannot get the fact that you cannot present an alternative. think aboutut this, congress sent a letter to at&t, verizon, explain why you are carrying? what? we meet explain? first but we have tons of yours thank you. secondly what's going on in america were you offering an alternativee view you can have ns nbc on but nobody cares?

it's get rid of any dissenting voices. and i say in an audience that is particularly young today it is not easy but you've got to do it. if youif do not fight back and get your voice out there they win. i do not to jump ahead but there's a chapter that deals with us how to get involved, how to fight back. they make it very difficult for folks to do it. i digress but in every argument if you dissected, we win, they lose. they're afraid of the facts and the logic concerned with principles and ideas. >> their views is to debate us on the facts. >> they support trump, how can you support him? what about the policy? i'll give you my favorite example in the book and i don't i'm just obsessed with this because it's easy. the framers decided the

district of columbia where we are now should be separate from then' state they did not the seat of government in any state in 1790 that took apart from virginia and apart from maryland and had an 1835 they gave back the b part of virginia to virginia because it was not being used i happen to live there now. so the democrats come along as a the district of columbia should be a state. we should allow people to vote. i am for people voting, i am for voting rights that sounds great. but let me think of a different solution when we get back to the part of maryland to maryland if it's not being used. because it is already a state and it would make sense. while they are against that, why? why wouldn't you just give back to maryland which is maryland. which by the way his exact thing we did to virginia to keephe this enclave to the white house to carve that out. that seems to make the most

sense. but again what is the real motive? it's not about letting them vote it's about getting two senators. if we do not scratch the argument sweetness the wheel motive at hand. >> they almost convince you telling you it is water. and that is a huge problem for generations younger than me so were also concerned about preserving freedom and protecting your freedoms. the people that are in their 20s that are just going their first job in graduating college, my 8-year-old sounding four-story masking school this is the world he knows, this is what he knows. what advice do you have for us to think through how do we assign freedom for the next

generation to get to the role of preserving it and handing it down from generation to generation? the first thing is to talk about what you're delving into which to explain having a free exchange of ideas is what the country is all about. it is ironic the group that talks about themselves when the tolerant inclusive group is the leastngou tolerant. i don't have a problem with ns nbc. i think it is awesome. i love the idea much of the dismay of my family when they're watching something i flick around. i actually think it makes me stronger conservative when i can listen to what they say. i think the easiest thing is to go back to logic i think you should hear crazy people. you go wait that is crazy, now i know why were doing what we are y doing.

you should realize there are dissenting opinion, there are a spectrum of opinions. that is what makes this debate healthy. we should encourage it. especially on college campuses. the funny thing about college supposedly that's one of the reasons you are there to be exposed to ideas and different views. and i think what i would say is to push people to say no let that voice in let's have a debate, let's talk about it. secondly i think you should get involved and understand you and i had this discussion a week ago i grew up early in the '90s it was my bible because it had facts and figures in it and it's all available online. when you want to talk about healthcare you can literally debate with facts. theut left wants to talk about

theories in feelings. i want to talk about facts what's going to make your life better? all of that kind of stuff. i think if we make it fact base we win more. >> the book spends a lot of time i think warning about what is to come. one of things it warns about as our american institutions being weaponize against us. i think it's a process that launches an all out offense on all of us. the average americans particularly parents. one of the unique phenomenons is happened around the country we have been able to be on the front road is all ofy these parents coming out of the woodwork, getting involved, having the facts, going to the microphone think brave enough to stand up. all of these parents may not have been conservative voters before, probably not. what can we do to bridge the

gap right now between where they want to go with the conservative america first public policy agenda and tunneling that energy that soap positive from parents right now. >> i think one of the beauty isha in more tools than ever before, right? when i was growing up you had newspapers you can write letters to the editors and that was it. from? but i think one of things we have his inability tweeting out literally fun facts of the day or something. and i think whether it is a tick tock, snap check, there are so many at your disposal now to get involved and lay facts out the way that is not

a silly confrontational. i was walking on pennsylvania avenue this morning on the house side there's a big thing from the pearson's about the national debt is going to tweet out the national debt is now $28 trillion. everyd single american owes 89000 in debt. once he realized that before wewe spend another $5 trillion, you all owe 90 grand, every person. when interest rates go back up which they wille at some point which is a factor going to be really screwed. i think explaining to people what is going on and again we do not have to persuade in the same way they do. we can say do you realize you owe this much money and you're going to owe another 5 trillion what you getting for? it's watching this town hall with biden last night, how many times did he say that? he is like stop it with the no

joke. my dad used to say joey no joke. so i gathered all of the big companies as have got to start operating 24/7. like dude they will come to work right now for eight hours. if you want to work 24/7 get the full hour in and then go for 16. the problem is they think that's a great idea but they can't get be able to work for eight hours a day. and their answer is to make them work 24. two additional shifts, hello? we don't have truck drivers because they are getting paid to stay at home forever not getting people tos make goods, go to ahi restaurant go anywhere they've got signs please bear with this we are short on help. theirr answer is to make people eat more? are you kidding? he defies common sense. i think that is the beauty of what we have going right now. we can walk up to somebody and say let me get this straight,

the new administration solution is to tell people who aren't working to work more? i've got a d in economics and i get this. [laughter] practitioner tells that story. >> what is president trump think about the book? >> if you flip it he endorsed on the back he was very kind. he said that's magna all the way. i appreciate that. it's meant as a compliment in case the president listening. people give the president a lot of credit for what he did when he was in office the one thing donald trump did more than anything is straight common sense. just the idea, ior told a bunch of stories when they were sitting in the roosevelt room it wasas right after he signed an executive order on the xl pipeline to get back going pretty stops in the middlee and says just got were going to

use u.s. steel for this right? as well searches of woe, woe stop you mean were doing all this and were not using u.s. steel? he said no, stop were not doing this until you guys redo this thing were going to make sure it is u.s. steel. it was common sense. why are we doing all of this stuff and not making sure we use a u.s. a product and doing it? there are some challenges in doing that and he understood. how much source material he had et cetera. the point is that it took common sense to say why aren't we making america? lester's visit menstruation were told over and over again enough signed a trade agreement and there's nothing we can do about it. okay, trump came in and said i don't really care it is a bad deal for our workers. why are our workers getting screwed wire wisconsin dairy markets getting skewed wiser technologicaler get screwed were going to tear it up and redo

it. you can't just can't't do that. it's not how it's supposed to work and he goes i don't care. when you think about it, why wouldn't we have done it why not modernize it the mentality in washington, no one can take it out you can look brought common sense and so many issues why would letting china walk all over us when we stand up t them? the heart of thisal is we need more common sense and that is what i think more than anything when i talked to him about it we need to get back to understanding what worked and what didn't. the problem was the last election democrats voting for

biden as i just don't like the tweets not how it works tweets don't hurt you they don't make you better policies do. think we are seeing the consequences of that now. >> i love that. think trump taught us how to fight. >> yes that's the thing you brought this up a minute ago a couple of weeks ago i think it was two or three, i got an e-mail on a wednesday morning. three year term i got an immense and thank you for years service at present biden would like your resignation by 6:00 p.m. today and you terminated.

i wrote back no. [laughter] and then we suited them. and it is not easy but there are 11 people they were on the board of west point naval academy and two of us put her name on a lawsuit is not great but it is the right thing to do. my term ends in a month. i might have been to one more meeting. but it's important to set the precedent. i'm willing to a name on the lawsuit and so the president of the united states is not about me it's whether my future president can do that what's makes the country great is worth fighting for sisters

show up at a school board meeting, run for office engaget online with people put facts out there. that's all to fight for. >> we will be fighting make it harder to vote all across the country and to smear every single one of us that once a safe andne secure election. we talked about critical race theory in the whole school board and actually demanding art schools and not allowing to be indoctrinated with this trillion dollar -- or you see theha next what is next for conservatives? >> it is an interesting question here is how i would answerev this.

the question is what will they fight for? being in power for the sake of being in power is not worth fighting for. that is a great, i'm sure you get a better driver in more stationary and things like that. but at the end ofof the day there is a lot worth fighting for that you just mentioned. and i think that the republican leaders need to say if you give us the honor and opportunity to lead again were going to fight for you will fight for the country. it is not easy. but i will tell you there so much going on and government why are we not looking and finding? there should be more of the value of our tax dollar. how much money is being wasted? if you stop and say can any senator red was in the 3.5 chili dollar bill that should bebe the first question we are spending all of this money we don't even know what's inn it.

and think about this they just started to negotiate the price tag. no, what do you want first? and then tell me how much it costs. not how much are you willing to blow over future generations money? whose refinancing it? china. we went through a pandemic they sent us and said can we buy our ppe or drugs from you? it's like going to the guy who robbed her house and said i will give you alone with my money. it is crazy. and yet there is nothing being done about it. we should have used this opportunity to look in and see what we should do. pete booed a judge called this economy a success and may be as an opportunity for a lot of u.s. companies think about coming back. at the same time the race in the corporate tax, really? think that's what they're going to done getting screwed and i should come home?

again it defies logic. >> spent a lot of time in here outlining everything that we have to fight on, talked about it here today. he dancedd around the things we need to do. it's a very clear incredibly passionate about this. we have to do this we have to be the man in the arena what if we get canceled? what about he lost his job what do we do then? what is d next. >> the hard thing is to stay in the arena if you generally feel generally speaking once a look at your tweets and how many tweets in my surrogate on instagram? sometimes it takes a while it's like a video you put up

in three days later it's 100. some things take while to percolate but be willing to stay in the arena is a said over and over again they win when you give up. so stay in and go to a different platform. there is -- they're losing the ability to do that. they control the ecosystem big tech, hollywood, late-night shows, academia, government, and the '90s it was and suddenly republicans and conservatives are saying we can use twitter and so what are they due? 's and our team has gone out. we need to be willing to go and migrate. i washed my show a year end a

half ago they're probably more people in this room that watch the first episode. and now we are averaging hundreds of thousands of people and night we beat a few of those shows the other night. we don't do a ton of advertising its word of mouth people are coming i like your show. that is because there are alternatives. they don't want you to see anything for what they show you. but i am a big believer whether it's newsmax the blaze,ri heritage, we need to support and get out there, share stuff, encourage other people to get involved. it is a part of our duty as americans to be in this arena. >> america worth fighting for pushback against thes potential radical nation. i've got one last question for you masks. oh my gosh if there was an

image talk to me this picture why you chose it what it means for the cover. >> were back and forth in a lot of different designs. it's like anything else when you find the right one. this is my third book the first to just had me on it. [laughter] but even then you go through and whatt is the image you want to convey? we saw that and we said thatt is it. it spoke to us because that is everything that is there. it is the double standard. it is the freedom. everything. he is looking over her shoulder, looking out. >> how are you feeling today? i love the fact. we cover this last night she walked into her own birthday party and acted surprised. she cannot even do a birthday right. [laughter] we wonder why things are screwed up. if you cannot a birthday surprise right y

do a birthday surprise right you know you are in trouble. :'r : >> we'll talk about some of the notable books of the year with washington post nonfiction book critic. you can watch about books on-line any time at book tv.org.

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planet. you might have a strike during that period of time, and then you mentally transition yourself to return home at the end of the day, so a lot of the people that i interviewed talked about this strange feeling that they often referred to as [inaudible], where you're conducting combat operations from home, and you are doing these transitions on a daily basis. sometimes working 12, 14-hour shifts, with several days a week, so you have these strange, strange, you know, periods of work, where you're mentally deployed, but physically still in the united states, and you may have conducted a strike at some period during the mission, and then you may be home in time

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