you again at another heritage event. >> helen raleigh is the epitome of the americant: dream. in commerce turn into came to the u.s. as a college student. she is less than $100 in her pocket. and streams were rich. their combination of hard work and scholarship talent earned her master's degree in business economics from the state university of new york and the university of wyoming. she's the author of several books including her first book

confucius never said which if you haven't read it i highly recommend it which describes a family struggle to survive under china's socialist regime kuchis ao senior contributor to the federal center writings have appeared in "the wall street journal" "fox news" national review "newsweek" and other national media. helen has served on commissions and match of denver where she lives with her husband mike and those include the colorado state advisory committee to the u.s. commission on civil rights. what impresses me the most about and it's her courage and her love of america and our precious freedom. helen became a u.s. citizen in 2013 and she takes her oath to protect and defend the united

states of america very seriously. by publishingck her latest book which is of course for sale at the lobby and she will be signing after tonight's event or book "backlash" how china's aggression has backfired helen is shining a spotlight on the repressive tactics of the chinese communist party and is providing, what to call to americans to embrace those used -- social ideologies like she and her family endured in china. for this display of courage helen has been ruthlessly attacked on social media and regularly receives hate mail in our inbox even including death threats get helen says in "backlash" i can't remain silent on things that matter because as martin luther king jr. once said our allies begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter. let's give a warm welcome to

helen raleigh. [applause] >> good evening everyone. can you hear me okay? it's so nice to be back here in at the steamboat visited and thank you jennifer. i'm a great admire of the work of the steamboat institute and what they have done over the years and for those of you who are here who is a supporter of this great institute thank you and for those of you who are not yet an especially those of you who will watch the sunday on internet and social media i encourage you to check this great institution not to help them continue events for freedom of all americans. i want to keep my remarks short because one thing i love about

the steamboat institute is steamboat institute always attracts the most educated audience. every time i speak here i get the most interesting and thoughtful questions so essentially after we have all been shut up in our homes i want to keep my remarks brief. i want to take some questions and i want to know what's on wyour mind related to our china policy to what you think we should do. i'm going to focus on three questions. the three questions will be why did i write this book and the second question will be this book talks about china's aggressions so water the aggressions i'm talking about and also the title of the book is called "backlash" i get a lot of questions about "backlash" i

don't see it. the first question is why did i read this book lacks the short answer is like all of you i couldn't go anywhere for more than a year. the real serious question is i wrote this book mostly out of frustration. i was frustrated because for sefour decades president nixon visited china. for four decades the u.s. foreign-policy the misunderstanding is as long as we economically and gave to communist party that people will change. for the longest time it's not just the united states it's for almost all democracy. it's the illusion that the more

we and gauge with the party economically eventually it's going to become more like us. they are going to embrace democracy. by now they have realized that not all of us have realized it and it's part of my frustration. not all are decision-makers and not all are politicians. some have the policy. i'm not saying economic and gaetz is a bad idea because i myself am an beneficiary of that economic engagement.t. i've remember everything was rationed. my parents had to get up at three or 4:00 in the morning to go to the grocery store in order to get cooking oil or sugar. the first time i went to mcdonald's thanks to economic

engagement the first mcdonald's opened in beijing the first i that was an apple pie. took me 20 minutes. the reason is i savored every bite. i never had something so sweet and tasty. now i stay away from because i want to stay fit. to me it was not liberty. someday want to go to the places where you can eat as much sugar as you want. i'm a beneficiary of that economic engagement so economic engagement itself is not a wrong policy. what is wrong is we assume that

economic in gaetz we assume that unconditioned economic engagement will somehow change behaviors. we forgot who we were dealing with, the true character of the communist party. let me explain a little bit about the true character of the communist party. the communist party is a party that believes in raw power. they'll do anything to obtain power and will do anything to remain in power. power is the only justification for what they will do. that's why the communist party has been deeply to democratic values since 1949 because what

they embrace such as free and open elections rule of law and opposition parties open debate of ideas they see all these democratic values of the challenge to the party's ability to take power and to stay in power. that's why the communist party has never been friendly. it will neveri change. they will never embrace democracy so neat to treat them as who they really are not who we wish them to be. i wrote this book. i wrote it's not earth policymakers although there is a welcome to read it. when i wrote this book i kept all of you in mind because i think we do people need to become educated. their incentive is how they will get elected. we need to be smart.

when we look at a candidate when we check out their policies and what they stand for because of our republic we elect people to make rules laws and policy decisions. i think it's time that we educate ourselves to say here are the issues that we should care about when it comes to foreign-policy beginning with china and then we can say okay let's look past the rhetoric to ask what is the foreign-policy there you advocate? is that the right policy for america? a and we need to do that to we didn't take national security and also to to compromise or

democratic values. we are just making this compromise and eventually it will change. that was especially obvious in her 1989 after the massacre. back in 1989 china was still a very communist state in the gdp per-capita was about $4. person. we have a lot of economic and political leverage to press for political change in some concessions. we didn't do that. instead our allies look past it to pretend we didn't see them in continuing engagement and something will change. guess what four decades later because of our unconditional economic and gaetz now we are dealing with an authoritarian state that is enriched and empowered by technology and our

investment at the expense of our own economic decline and now d they challenge us on every frt and they are seeking power just reaching power in asia. also the domination and how can they receive world order and that's different than the world order that we enjoy a peace and prosperity since world war ii. even though there's a lot of -- it's very easy to understand. that's the first question, why did i write this book like the second question is what are the aggressions were talking about? >> way or and i can describe it as peeling is peeling an onion so they are different layers for the first layer of aggression i focus on domestic aggression. i focused on the human rights

violations against the uyghur muslim and the persecution of the christians and the mass surveillance systems. it's a digital fortress. i call it a digital prison. keeping 1.4 billion people under tight control. might book gives a lot of cuhistorical context about why d the communist party decide to target the uyghur muslims and how did they build this digital fortress. i want you to focus on the softer tactic because too often we are focusedes on the hard tactics and it's true there a lot of hard tactics like imprisonmentnt forced abortion d

even organ harvesting in some instances. i also want to focus on the soft tactic and when i say solved tact tickets about this social contract. basically the social contract in today's communist party to chinese people as long as i can guarantee that your standard of living is going to go up and you have material wealth than you should have demand for political wealth. is that really enough? this interview i read of the tibetan businessman, this businessman is pretty wealthy. he told the foreign journalists he said yes my standard of living has improved. i have two cars made several houses and i do not anything. he said here's the challenge. i am not allowed to display a

picture of the dalai lama. my children don't know how to speak tibetan because the schools don't teach the tibetan culture and he also said i applied for a passport and i've been rejected multiple times. he said i have everything except freedom. that's why i'm saying it's important that we in the west besides caring about what's going on with the hard tactics we should focus on the soft tactics. they describe those soft tactics it's basically they sedate you to think just be happy that you have a roof over your head and you have food on the table and don't think about anything else. that's not who we are as human beings. we want more. we want to be able to make decisions. we need to focus on hard tactics

as well as the soft patch x. domestically. so that's layer one. layer two is hot spots in mainline china. was at taiwan in the south china sea.o shuey good to see what's going on. it is true. is a new tactic. because we invent new tactics of aggression aggression and we are just trying to catch a game. what's happening in the south china sea is it a trial run of what we call breezing tactics. what are tactics.

it means it's about a territorial expansion by using the military. basically it's enabling a country to expand its territory without having to fight a traditional war. this is how it worked in it self china sea. it shall -- south china sea is the body of water in southeast asia. some major trade routes of 90% of the trade through china goes through them and china in several countries including malaysia philippines and vietnam share claims of this body of water. sometimes their claims overlap. it's yours versus mine and this is an area of huge minerals as well as oil and gas deposits.

you can understand why the country share this body of water. there's a u huge economic intert as well as the national security interest to maintain their claim. what china did was under the first obama administration china came up with this genius idea. they built an artificial island and use the reefs in the south china sea and the united states did not object. in the countries nearby they weren't sure what china was doing in china just said we want to make sure we can have a station here so when fishermen get into trouble or have trouble in shipping lanes. people are like zero go. china reclaimed 3000 acres of

land and building artificial island. once they built this island they had runways and hangers b on rar and china was declared -- it. the surrounding waters are now china's territory. by doing that china expanded its claim of the south china sea to 90%. it's supposed to be a shared international body of water and now it's in china's own backyard. and now any country that wants to access it for oil exploration china will send its coast guard,

very aggressive coast guard and sometimes china's navy to drive them out in the name of protecting china's territory. it's if i build that it's mine strategy. and it's important we understand that because based on the success in the south china sea china seizing that same strategy on the land ended border disputes with other countries so the magazine foreign policy last month published a stunning discovery. basically china was trying to build villages inside the border of the pond a small country with shared borders with china. even though it's a disputed order a starkly and for the longest time even in the 80s

china claimed those lands belonged to bataan. once they build of its barest and the reason china did that. basically baton has been adjacent to india. china is planned along came the congress party is playing along game. they want to usee those three villages strategically in an area in the holy land. china wants to use this to make a land exchange. it's their own land basically saying if you give me this other area right next to india china is eyeing that other area so so far baton is a small country and

all they can do is pretend they didn't know was happening. the foreign policies investigation report was totally shocking. the fact that this whole chinese continues expanding this tactic has so far received no objections from the western democracies and that adds to the frustration and so those are things we need to know. we don't have a good strategy to push back. so that's the second layer. hotspots in china's mainland. the other layer that's close to us about china's global expansion. this is a big area. it has covered so many things. there's economics, from an economic standpoint. china launched this huge massive

infrastructure plan called one belt one road. the chinese bank will finance if a structure like building roads and building airports in other countries using china's own suppliers and china's own workers. the hosting country just borrows money from the chinese bank at a rate. for many of them if they couldn't pay it back it's a death trap. if they couldn't pay it back they'd have to try to lease their land or lose their resources. it's really a genius idea and this idea the obama administration thought about it not in that aggressive way. like so many other things we thought about it and we came up with t an idea and we would shit their attention and put huge resources behind it.

that's the economic front and there's thepr education front where we are familiar with the confucius institute researchersd technology areas. i'm going to pay you, give you tenure in the research institute or university. all you have to do is bring your research that you are currently doing, share that but keep it quiet from your employers. and so, last year if you read "the wall street journal" for the first time the department charged a chemistry professor with the chinese university and without letting his employers know. by the way he's researching not only founded by harvard but also by the department of defense so he's basically using our tax

dollars to do his research and sharing the result with the university so that's something we do not know very well. also, there's the information front. information that happens especially over social media and about a 50% as well as the chinese diplomats favorable to china and the spread of misinformation. about 50% came from troll accounts. but the thing is our company has

been very slow to respond to that so even though they are gradually finding what comes out and closing them, but before they close them, all of these give the impression that this may be something you will be influenced by the misinformation you don't know because twitter doesn't always identify the account owners and affiliated with the states, the chinese states. so especially they see the misinformation through the last year of the pandemic. that is especially huge in terms of that information between the united states and china. so that is the third layer. a segway obviously you cannot write a book in the pandemic without a chapter about the

pandemic. it is a wake-up call not for all of us, but a lot of us and it's more so kind of the icing on the cake of the aggression together to explain why we should care about the chinese aggression especially its aggression in the domestic audience because when we look at the pandemic we look at the parties in the pandemic there was a lot of cover-up in the early days. now we knew that they suppressed the scientists and the doctors, whistleblowers and to prevent the media from reporting about it and journalists from interviewing citizens to talk about what's going on. and so, the university basically

had a study last year that showed first of all, for a pandemic, the early days of the pandemic was the most crucial time. the sooner you can take action in the early days, the sooner you can prevent the spread and limit the scope. ..

>> so china actually because

of the pandemic we had a jolt at 75 percent without political isolation because of the pandemic and the impact so for me that is the biggest backlash that those that are not familiar with the trump administration we have to give him credit the form policy was one of his brightest spots he did not talk about it as often

was a failure of his campaign for reelection because i mention in my book the first american administration you will have secretary pompeo to talk at the freedom conference and he is my favorite from the trump administration. it was the first american administration with the true nature of the communist party. you heard secretary pompeo talk many times treated the communist party to be --. it was the first of administrations that should bear the cost to challenge china's aggression because today china

has the second-largest economy and the cost touch anything in china's very high. the cost of confronting anything on china is very high. so there are to many of our governments and u.s. demonstrations as well as our allies that are so afraid to confront china because it are one of bear the cost. they were waiting to bear the cost and letting them know their willing to bear that cost. i don't see. they signed a human right act for the uyghurs and they backed chinese h companies and the chinese military and they sanctioned senior communist

party officials. this is has never happened before, never happened before. not only is that backlash from a u.s. standpoint you've probably heard a lot from the media that the trump foreign-policy, he didn't care nobody followed him and he was being her allies. that's not entirely true. let me give you an example. many of you heard about 5g network something that they were pushing with her so there's a big chinese company called huawei. even though it's a private company it's not really private. they have very deep ties with the chinese military and the government. while way was supported by the chinese government and they wanted to see huawei's build 5g

networks throughout the world. the trump administration had been warning us since our allies do not use the 5g network because it presents a huge security risk and by the way the security risk has been approved this year by several of our allies especially australia. so the challenge had to be telling our allies not to use 5g. our closest allies is the united kingdom and under the conservative and john cena administration boris johnson even last january said we are going with huawei because it's. it was fraternize by the government and as a business person i can tell you the price was unreasonable.

johnson was headstrong we are going with huawei because their chief and even after mike pompeo said you do this we are going to stop sharing with you because we don't go comfortable. johnson was like no we are going to do this because it's something we can afford. and guess what?? the chinese company increased its crackdown on hong kong. what is happening in hong kong is really tragic. anyway by may the johnson administration announced they will not use huawei t. build its 5g network so again the pandemic was a wake-up call and is the backlash continued the biden administration as well as the united kingdom as well as canada joined together to launch a

targeted sanctions against chinese officials and their human rights violations in xinjiang. you see the backlash continue. it has not become a big wave yet. that's where you come in. because the administration and i'll make a view comments about the biden administration. the biden administration come as the biden administration came in their general approach was if they see the administration fall their against. the biden administration continue with the policies such as the targeted sanctions against communist party officials as well as blacklisting chinese companies affiliated with the chinese military.

the biden administration might dig his concern as the biden administration demonstrates concern. one is just like the previous obama administration the biden administration there's u a gap u do you know what they say versus what they do. trump had the same problem but it was opposite. he made us cringe when he spoke about it. putinll is great. he is not your friend. he surrounded himself with people who are really strong on national security. trump's policies work tough on russia and really tough on china. the biden administration was exactly opposite. the biden administration will make tough talk about china and

russia. their policies are exactly the opposite. the policies have been very soft so even though the biden administration continues policy on china i think a revealing event was what happened between diplomatic meetings between chinese diplomats and american diplomats in alaska. keep in mind alaska was on our soil. they came at our invitation. i don't know if you've read any reports about what happened. basically the chinese diplomat used the talking points out of "the new york times" and scolded our diplomats on u.s. soil saying we were the children in talking about americans have no rights no positions to talk to china about any values because your own failures and your

racial injustice. that's not surprising for a chinese diplomat to use our media talking points that against us. what was disappointing was the biden administration's diplomats could not mount a strong powerful defense of our country to cause they wanted to use those as talking points during campaigns and for years or that's how they talked about america too. because that's how they talk about america when the chinese diplomats school did them in the same language because our diplomats have the same balance of values and whether america's truly great or not they could

have mounted a a strong and powerful defense. if they couldn't do that on the diplomatic front how could they do it on any other front? that's what really troubles me the most. i don't want to leave here depressed. i'm going to end with that quote from winstone churchill. winston churchill said americans always know -- america will always do the right thing after they have tried everything else. so we are trying everything out. i hope we educate ourselves enough we go back to doing the right thing so thank you. [applause]

>> weaver siege some good questions so let's dive right in. earlier this year helen to china foreign ministry announced china is providing free vaccines for 69 countries and a commercially exporting them to 28 more. china's competitors are concerned that for china's covid-19 vaccines influence will follow. what are your thoughts on china's vaccine diplomacy efforts? >> that's a really good question and that's what it china wanted to do was use of vaccine to rebuild its reputation or a china's reputation dropped last year. i can tell you the good news is so far the vaccination diplomats say it's not very successful because the chinese vaccines efficacy, the efficiency is only about 60% and we don't even know accurate. even china's own cdc like our

cdc announced they would use the american vaccine maker pfizer or moderna as a booster shot for their own citizens in china to increase the efficiency of the vaccine. so far the vaccine diplomacy is not successful but it does show the relentless communist party that it's willing to do anything and it has the powers was the resources to help advance its geopolitical influence. >> you think it's accurate to say that china has used the covid crisis to gain and flex its influence across the globe? >> i think china tried and the communist party tried to do that. that's why you see all this misinformation especially on social media by china's

diplomats as well as because china has control. there was an investigation in china and this whole fact-finding about the origin of the coronavirus was not very successful and they basically came back with nothing. china tried to blame its u.s. military who brought it and we have done enough research in china and they destroyed all the evidence. .. it is truly amazing story. and with that scientific establishment they actually censor and

scientists who want to talk about it. she is a free market. the power of individual, the power of free market. it's a group of individuals who are a wonderful piece at a newsweek a couple of weeks ago. there's a group of individuals who organize themselves. they basically research all research information because none of them have access. it's open source information, they post everything they find online. through their research they were able to find to show it was very likely the virus. and some scientists within the scientific establishment given the credibility back to life. this is a group of individuals brought it back to life.

and because of that i don't think of china is winning the pr war. now even countries hesitate to challenge china. now even he said we need to do more investigation to find the origin of the coronavirus. china is not winning the pr war on that. it's doing okay thank you. what you think the u.s. should be doing diplomatically on vaccine distribution to reinforce our allies encounter china? >> i think the issue the announced i am so glad president biden decided the donation force or drug companies to me not only

violated the property rights it wasy very difficult to make a vaccine. so many other countries simply do not have the facilities to make a vaccine. forms are drug companies, gus was going to happen is going to have it for free they're going to use it to their vacciner diplomacy. i think it's a much better option i'm so glad president biden hopefully somebody talks them out of it make a donation i think that is the right thing to do. we have extra we should donate to make sure especially to a country like india with a very important ally in the puerto rico conflict with china especially in asia as many as you have heard india's

effacing of very serious challenge from covid. we should help our allies and maker extras available to other countries. >> as you know the chinese communist party are made up of a number of factions were the two major factions controlled the party between 2000, 2012. each faction has a different agenda. what group now controls the party today and why? >> guest: because again, going back to the true nature of the communist party, even the liberal ultimate goal is about power how to remain in power and do anything it takes. they may be more liberal there may be more waiting to open up the markets they may be more tolerance at the bottom line

is they're never going to embrace democracy again because it prevents a serious communistto the party survival. there is a hole in power. but i do have to say before he came to power in 2012, the previous two leaders of the communist party the president of china we were relatively tolerant movement less ambitious ambitious that way. the group that followed was a paramount leader ate lunch and economic reform it was much more problematic. i had strategic guidance

basically said we need western technology right for their time and do not be aggressive against the united states. success is pretty much filed that guidance. that is given china the time to not only deal economic but the experience of relatively open. politically in china. that has all changed and came into power in 2012. paint modeled himself. if you go to china now his portraits are everywhere. his book is the best seller.

people to buy a copy he controls all of the power he is the chairman of everything because he controls everything gunder him. so china was going back to more totalitarian the honeymoon of that period was p more critical. and because it's only in his 60s he's going to be there for life is going to be there for a long time. china is not going back to openness at the essentially going the other way is much more totalitarian compared to the past. >> host: this is a nice segue to the next question. there may be 2 million communist party members out of one and a half billion people.

is there a backlash against any of these programs from their own citizens? >> think there was unofficial especially during the pandemic there was a lot of anger about wider than communist party member. basically the communist party members their small in population there less than 7% of the total population. they don't just take anyone so basically really groom and my own book confucius never said that has been selected and that young pioneer program between six -- 1400 come from

good family and then remove from that this other program for teenagers and young people. then you had to demonstrate you really understand you had to have good grades, you had to be smart and come from a good family. and in the party put into key positions in the economy, education, i mean key positions throughout the country. you are really groomed to be that leaders, these successors to move them forward. there are certain communist party members during the pandemic there is a story about one of them in shanghai

is overrun by patients the chief doctors were really mad about the communist party it's very rare to speak up in china he was self rested with this doctor he spoke up in the press conference said we are communist party members because right now anyone can train patients about the front line. that's taken down quickly elsa's document that anymore. it's definitely fun it just does not get reported people are generally afraid to talk to joe was out of china for that purpose to talk to people so to get the information out

of china. >> how can we expect to control china when they control renewable energy and we don't want that supply? >> i'm so glad someone asked about that. short answer is it can be done. except we don't have the wheels to do it. i'm willing to bear the cost. how many of you heard a lot of you heard about that. it's a group of 17 minerals that are crucial to the digital economy. battery, electronic cars, crucial, crucial. we, the united states choose

the deposits of the rare earth minerals. we were the ones who know we have the technology. so we should go to china it's cheaper to produce over there. basically tell the chinese how to process the minerals and let them have it. then here back home because of environmental laws and becomes very expensive until we graduated out of that industry. china has 90% i should sit not now but in recent years china controlled 90% of the rare earth minerals supplied not

because china has the biggest deposits, becausebe china has the monopoly of the technology and how to extract the minerals. so china is using its control plays an important role in the digital economy. china began to coerce other countries they do that to australia as well as japan as you know japan is very short the economy doesn't have many, many resources. i wrote this article as an example. china uses a monopoly of rare minerals threatens japan, japan realizes it could not depend on china for a supply of rare earth minerals. so they things one the japanese government formed the

task force they spend their supply sources also to china. many other countries about half have mineral deposits they didn't have the technology or money to extractt it. there is a task force in the other country to extract minerals and bring them to market. that's one thinghas we did spend the suppliers. another was a true innovation there are car companies, through innovation to reduce the dependency on rare earth minerals find an alternative you can use. at the true effort that's

painful but it is an effort because of this effort china controls the 75% of worldwide market. this shows you that can be done. the thing is our businesses are so shortsighted that simple lack of will to state we need to do this we need to take some financial pain as well as maybe change it into law or whatever it takes to the national security issue for our dependency that ideological is so different, opposite from us. >> again it takes all of us to select a representative to put their foot down and say that is what we are going to do and

say welcome to do this national security issue. >> of what you think has to happen to have corporations, sports leagues like the nba and immediate during the backlash? can that even happen? >> i do not know. [laughter] i'm very frustrated with them. we all understand the hypocrisies of our companies on one hand they are all for social justice. today the biden administration made juneteenth a federal holiday that's great celebrate the freedom of slaves. at the same time many suppliers from china was by

slave laborers of the uighurs how could an influence of chinese or coerce the chinese people when they do nothing to support it, right? our corporation behavior only have been two things one is from the power of the regime and asks when the time comes that's one thing. the kind is in to say look, why should we embrace this? i do not know if the messages i write and aren't lot of articles criticizing this.

because our business is dominated both countries for difficult for me too ask you. i think because they live and die on social media think it is important that it comes with hypocrisy. try alternative problem and trite not to support them. try not to let our daughters is really the only thing i can think of to let them know we are not happy with this

hypocrisy. >> describe if you can on the chinese communists controls the average chinese citizen and monitoring essentially all of theirty activities and literally applying a personal score that determines what a person can do. >> i talk about how china hasn't digital fortress or digital prison to control and watch over people. this is digital one of them is a facial recognition technology official recognition camera throughout the country. as you can't tell who you are when you're wearing a mask is nowhere you can hide. i can tell you who you are. that is the one components. another is the question refers

to assistance the social assistance and think about crowded here much that i carry it's like part of the system. assigned by the datapoint to reach chinese citizens and it manages everything. it measures your shopping activities it measures if your trash out correctly yet internet competence and try to feed into the system there is a lot of good about you. some of this so maybe it is not so bad it if you cross a read the time you shouldn't is probably not a good idea.

your view about the chinese communist party to say something about the coronavirus list different from the familyy government narrative so what are the consequences? if your behaviors good and what they like you can probably get a promotion. going to get a better rate, past mortgage kids might be able to coach a better school. but ift your behaviors bad, again without it depends upon the government's definition. maybe you are an american and the promotions because you are the best employee. or when you go to apply for a loan the worst part is you are not going to be able to try it anywhere. you cannot buy airline tickets

, the license plate that you drive you are going to be stopped. you just cannot go anywhere you lack the ability to travel and that happens to many dissidents found out they cannot go attending or meeting fetheir comments because they're not allowed to travel. so the social credit system is really 1984 this only description bringing brought to reality. the really sad part is a lot of technology, checked all right china is using now are provided the company our technology companies. our technology companies help china build this digital surveillance system. now to other countries.

again it is coming back to why have we done? just like the coronavirus, right? we actually funded the wuhan lab to do this research. where is the accountability? we complain the communist party but we have all of these problems it's like every time traces back to us. so again we need to educate ourselves. we need to know what is going on. we need to know who is telling the truth we need to demand transparency and accountability from her own before we point our fingers to the other side. >> final question is to be a good one to wrap up on, you were just alluding to our own culpability in some of this

with doctor taji in the funding of gain of function research. it appears there has been a cover-up. do you believe the world, country, united states, allies, other countries eventually come together for some type of effective response, backlash if you want to call it that. where you see the ultimatena endgame of the truth finally comes out because hopefully it will. >> first of all i am pessimistic that the truth will come out. especially go to the origin of the coronavirus. the chinese government has destroyed all evidence they told the scientist in the lab to take it down the database and information. when the team was in china they were in china for two weeks. they spent one week quarantine another couple days of

sightseeing. we were reading the report from the lab they did not get a look at the database or work around the lab. but longer time elapsed between when this first happened versus a research investigation now, the longer the gap is the harder it is to find out what truly happened. i am pessimistic about what we really findso out? what has truly happened? i do think this is a wake-up call. it has to become a wake-up call for all of us. i hate to say this we deserve the next crisis in our government it is going to happen all over again. many of us are going to surrender our leadership again

for safety. it will be a big call for all of us. they keep pressure to continue investigate the country will hold them accountable for apple in the coronavirus. again it's a worldwide event. very few people can claim they walked out of the sun scratched. there is pressure to keep this up from the news to give the investigation going. we need to keep that going we cannot write it off. even a politician our country go wait we don't want to investigate we come back to the investigator comes back to pointed us. we have to keep the pressure to demand with uncertainty, we have too. the g-7 community the g-7's had there is a commandment

about the a coronavirus origin or they demand an answer from china. the problem including g-7 clear on government as the gap between what they say versus what they do. are they really going to put actions behind those? againn they only do it because all of us demand it. my take away from the coronavirus is the take away is we should have never, never, surrendered our liberty, our freedom for men for truth seeking answers. as a founding father i forgot who those like exchange-rate liberty for safety you are going to end up with neither, right? you do not get those either.

it is notr a fair trade. i think of the last 12 months this whole experience of how the lab leak series were brought back to life. again the power of the individual. you can also see how many of our emperors i've been working in art more closer and do not really know more than we do pray they pretend to know more than we do. they lied to us are never, never surrender. again the next crisis hit. we have to take responsibility and keep the focus. >> host: great nodes and on good we have a round of applause for helen? [applause] i like to remind all of you helen's book backlash is for sale out in the foyer she will be sending copies of her book. please also watch for

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