find it on the mobile app or wherever you get your podcasts. >>. t >> will get your calls and comments momentarily. start with the first one that happened on monday with the li supreme court, this is associated press headline on that story. the justices to hear challenge to race in college admissions. the conservative dominated

supreme court they write on monday agreed to hear a challenge to the consideration of race in college admissions adding affirmative action to major cases on abortion , guns, religion and covid-19 on the agenda. the court said it would take up lawsuits claiming harvard private ty a institution. the university of north carolina a state school discriminates against asian american applicants. a decision against the schools could mean the end of affirmative action in college admissions. that story, that announcement by the court on monday, here's a story about the sats which was announced yesterday as part of an evolution in where those standard tests are going. .sat is going digital example will be online only. shorter as colleges ditch standardized tests. joint next by eric huber senior writer at the chronicle of higher education to talk about in particular the sat change but the significant stories in college admissions. eric cooper, good morning.

>> let's talk about the change in the sat first. what has prompted the change in these standardized tests by the college sports. >> within the nerdy admissions circles that i report on, this change has been expected for some chtime. popular er standardized tests widely taken all over the world have already gone digital or at least have a digital option so it was just a matter of time.before it was going to be announced that sat takers would put down their number two pencils imminently. this was expected. i do think the pandemic hastened this change on behalf of the college board to go digital in the near future. >> host: what's been their experience in particular? we had 2020 and 2021 for those students taking those sat exams and other exams. i was the handleduring those

years of the pandemic ? >> one thing worth noting is that enhanced placement exams which are also run by the college board which runs the sat went digital during their early months of the pandemic in the spring of 2020. that was kind of a mixed bag. those digital exams at home, that was the only safe place to take them. that went well from many testtakers but not for many others. the digital sat will be taken in school. otherwise, what we're looking at is the college board i think the most generous way to look at this is trying to provide more ease-of-use and better options for the digital age. many students even today have lacked access for easy access to in person testing at traditional testing centers where you sit down and bubble in your answer on the answer

sheet. >> that's the thing i want to ask you. with the change in the sat students will still have to go to a center. this won't be a test you take it home. what about the student who doesn't have a tablet or something they regularly use their schoolwork for? how will that be handled ? >> that's a great question and the answer seems to be if a student doesn't have his or her own laptop and does not have access to a device provided by their schools. many students at the center would probably not have access to a laptop if they didn't own one already. the college board said yesterday that they would in such cases provide a device for students to take the test. how exactly that will work andhow all those devices will be shipped to all the high schools in the country , that remains tbd for the moment. >> host: do you see a time potentially when the standardized tests or most universities will be phased out t?

if so, what are the methods by which university schools are assessing students for for acceptance? >> a great question and two years into the pandemic we see just a range of responses and reactions. if you look out west to california, you have the university of california system as bond test blind or as many people call it test free. thif you send an sat score the admissions folks in those institutions won't even look at it and it seems to california state university system, the largest in the country is poised to go the same route. harvard university and some other big-name private institutions have more or less put off the decision whether or not to correctly go test optional and stop requiring act or satexams. they'll be making this decision in the years to come . >> the short answer is that

any colleges have gone without testing for years if not decades l. and the bulk of what they're looking at has always been and remains. that is what courses did you take in high school, whatwas the rigor of them and what grades ? >> let me ask you about the other story started in the week in terms of admissions to the universities. the supreme court's decision to take up those twocases, the headline from one of your pieces@chronicle.com , the court has upheld race conscious admissions again and again. will this time be different? there are two cases thecourt will consider. harvard university and university of north carolina briefly, what's at stake here for both of those schools and for others who may be affected by the court's decision ? >> there's something at stake here for all colleges, public and private and that in a nutshell is 10 admissions

officers at those two institutions in question and at any other institutions in the country considered to continue to consider race as one of many factors in their individualized ballistic reviews of applicants. can be even look at that at all? that is the bottom line of what's at stake whether that practice can continue or whether it will be banned essentiallythroughout the land . >> that harvard university case in particular has been around a while. it was the court asked to consider that earlier and how far did that get before the court decided to take it up? >> that went through two rounds. harvard one in federal court and then won on appeal. and then the supreme court, then that case was appealed as to the supreme court. the e unc case law suit against unc was filed i believe the same day the lawsuit against harvard a little bit slower routes through the court and

the plaintiff in the case om asked the supreme court to combine the two cases which was the ultimate goal to have these cases considered at the same time and that's what the court decided this week to actuallydo . >> over to senior writer with the chronicle of higher education. you can follow his recording chronicle.com and he's also on twitter. i really appreciate the update on both of those issues this morning. >> thank you for having me. the question on washington journal, to colleges dropped the sat requirement for admissions? send us a comment via text or to and will get to those in a moment but if you're a college student or a high school student or a parent that line is 202-748-8000. for educators that line 202-748-8000 one and for all others the line to use is 202 748 thousand two. eric huber said the word drop your pencils which those of

us who have taken a standardized test know that phrase. that's going away. the headline from the washington post, drop your pencils. the venerable sat is going digital. the college admissions exam will go digital ditching paper booklets and get shorter shrinking from three ce hours to 2. those changes and others announced by the college board on tuesday will take effect at an international test sites next year domestic sites by spring of 2024. the post writes there are no plans to offer the digital test to students at home. the third overhaul within the past 20 years comes amid mounting challenges, unprecedented in modern times to the relevance of standardized testing in college admissions red the post writes further backers say the test uncover and confirm academic potential. critics say that they are biased towards the privilege

and pose an unnecessary fertile and the application process . this options to testing schedules and other aspects of education is the public health crisis emerged in early 2020 allowed in effect a massive experiment to see who's right. from the washington post comments on twitter from the columnist andrew sullivan who says this. the abolishing of objective standards she tweets to enable more aggressive race dissemination or not hard to understand america american education he says is committing suicide. jody tweets the sats we got the ones who do homework, make the grade. dropping satscores to get into college would just continue to buying a diploma. talk about dumbing down of america . that's what happens. this one says the usa has a student loan crisis blooming. democrats should solve by giving tax cuts to those who pay loans, forgiving $10,000 in loans and allowing those who made mistakes to put a student loan on bankruptcy same day wait a risky and

investor can start over after a mistake and one more from derek who says on the supreme court cases, we talked about this supreme court's sole purpose is to maintain white supremacy he says. question for you this morning and should that sat, should the colleges dropped those tender requirements. the sat requirements, let's hear from marilyn in san francisco , good morning. >> good morning. i appreciate the question today and i just want to say i do think that the sats should go away and all standardized tests that have been required for college admissions in the past. i think i'm a good example of why they were really not very helpful. i went to a good high school and then i was not able to afford the college prep that they required in order to get a good score iron either of those tests. so i ended up then going to a pretty good university but i

ended up coming in as the chancellor student to a very prestigious public university and did very well. >> did you find you have other people who had similar experience to yours in terms of your performance on the sats, your inability there? >> know because i ended up going to a prestigious university with very rich kids who had parents who paid for them to get. tutors for the saturday just it's a moneymaking scam to me it's just another intrusion, unnecessary intrusion of corporate america into what somebody becomes in this country because there's no need to have a corporation. i think it's called the college board or something where you have to pay for the test. the paper craft. you have to pay for books, a 40 tutor. for what, to prove you're smart? like the guy said that you interviewed, i think hethe kind

of courses you take which i did take mostly ap courses. and the fact that you do well in them in high school should show that you have the academic skills to do well in college. >> what did you wind up getting a degree in? >> political science. >> 202-748-8000 is the line for students and parents, 2027 48,001 for educators and for all others, 202-748-8000 two. should colleges dropped the sat requirement is our opening question for you this morning. this is from brookings, the brookings institution. sat math scores mirror and maintain racial inequities they say. in 1926, they write the sat was traded to get talented students edregardless of income a chance to compete for college admissions scholarships. nearly 100 years later it often excludes the lower om income students that it was created to help.

the original exam was aimed at economic diversity. part of its stated mission is to increase racial diversity too. with black and hispanic or latino students routinely scorelower on the map section . a likely result of generations of exclusionary housing, education and economic policy which too often means that rather than reducing existing wage gaps using the test in college admissions reinforces them. the brookings says that we investigate sat scores by using the college boards publicly available data for 2.1 2020 high school graduates howith a particular focus onthe math section . in this analysis showing that there's a race gap in sat scores highlighting inequality and hindering upward mobility. also in california on our others line, let's hear from robert, good morning. >> the whole point of the sats is to determine readiness for university

level college abilities.so havie s.a.t. is a good thing for all students. host: before we go to ellicott city, we will show you the headlines from the los angeles times on california. the cal state is poised to drop sat admission requirements as a chance to support scrapping the tests. california state university. largest university system in the nation is poised to drop the sat and act as an admission

requirement, a move that would follow the university of california elimination of the exams and further shake of the standardized testing landscape as hundreds of campuses across the nation shift away from assessments. ellicott city, maryland, good morning. caller: sure. i just want to say i agree with getting rid of the sat test. i am an academic and i teach in the social sciences. i think students come to the university who have scored high and what it does is it gives them an unfair advantage to get all the scholarships and all the resources, but then their heart is not in it or they prepped for the test, but not for the academic life that college will require and then they flunk out. and the other thing, i have seen students who didn't do well on

the s.a.t. or could not take it or whatever, but they come in with a certain level of grid and they turn out to be the star student. i just really think the test should be done away with. host: the previous caller mentioned remedial courses that students are often required to take in universities and colleges. do you find that to be the case? caller: absolutely. i agree with the previous caller. this is about someone making money off of people's aspirations. just get rid of the test. thank you for taking my call. host: this is from jason riley, opinion piece in the wall street journal this morning. a chance to remove race from college admissions, they headlined the opinion piece. he writes that talking about the

supreme court cases, the plaintiffs in the cases against harvard and unc are hoping that the supreme court will finally stop kicking the can on racial preferences which is essentially what it has been doing since the 1978 decision when the work had numerical quotas but said that race would be one of several factors in college admissions. nevertheless, it has become a major factor even while school admissions officers pretend otherwise, and they will continue down this road into the court decides that the constitution and the civil rights act of 1964 mean what they say: that discrimination on the basis of race is illegal. that is the opinion of jason riley, a wall street journal this morning. the line for educators, -- for students and parents is (202) 748-8000. for educators, (202) 748-8001. for all others, (202) 748-8002. here is how those tests are used according to the associated press. the research across the country about 80% of bachelor

degree-operating institutions do not require test scores. nearly 1400 of those, they say, of those extending that policy through fall of 2023 admission cycles, a lot a lot of that do of course to some of the change in the covid-19 pandemic. the numbers here in terms of who took the test, the class of 2020, 2.2 million students took the test. before that, 2021, 1.5 million students. that would have been in the spring of 2020 and that last ooup, the class >> this is combination of the math and expanded writing and verbal to 2 sections. 114 average for white students, 133 the average

black is: 978 and asian c, 1223. roberts inwashington dc. go ahead . >> how are you doing? i'd like to give my take on this sat because i graduated from high school in dc in 83 and so i went to another college and another state. so the sat is taken on the east coast and act is taken on the west coast so i went to the southwest in mexico and i'd already been accepted but what i found out is these are placement exams. they don't know exactly where to place you when you enter into the college and i'd already been accepted into the college . but yet they took that sat but we don't know where to place him so it's not exactly an entrance exam, it's a

placement exam. at the time they say we have to take it on faith and we were in august so the next step is in october but i say i'm sitting here in mexico, trying to find a place to live and i got another school i'm registering in but they say what we do is you got to take the act because we don't know where to place you. it's not exactly an entrance exam because i had already been accepted by two different colleges already so by that time they said we don't know whereto place you . so it's not an entrance exam but it's a placement exam . they're trying to place me at a 100 course when i could have come in at two or 300 's . >> guest: where did you wind up going to school eventually? >> caller: university of

mexico in oxford. >> guest: were you happy with your choice eventually? >> caller: very much so. just at that time it was inconvenient to me but it was inconvenient for the school because they told me i had to takethe easy day . now see since i was there and i'd already been accepted even before i took the sat during the wintertime i think it was by the time that the summertime came they said you are accepted but haven't said anything about the act. so they didn't know exactly where to place me so they had to put me at the bottom rung of the ladder. >> guest: bottom line to our question is do you think the school should drop the act as a requirement ?on >> caller: i don't know about entrance but as far as placement. i'd like to say if you go get the job, you put all of that

on your application and say they're going to review that. tso it's a tough call but it's like saying you can be entered into as long asyou're graduated , that is your entrance into college. it's where to place the student at the time because a lot of studentscome out of high school at a different level . >> host: where welcoming your calls on our morning the sat being r dropped as an entrance requirement. and for parents, 202-748-8000 one. for educators and all others, 202-748-8000 two . also british prime minister boris johnson is in the house of commons. its prime ministers question time and he's facing pressure from the opposing party and others on parties oallegedly held during covid at number 10 downing street.

>> the idea of a new recovery using fines paid by the water companies so we can clean the rivers up properly once and for all. well, mister speaker i've had in memorable swim in those myself. it tasted like nectar. but i understand the problems he raises. it's important that our mutual rivers shed should be clean and we will be visiting the area shortly with or without his swimming trunks and i know the welsh government is taking this matter seriously. >> just to remind you that is thgoing on live now as we do every wednesday that they are in the house of commons. on c-span2 you can follow it

on the c-span app and we will re-air prime minister questions or on our opening question this morning should the sat be dropped as a college admissions requirements? this is back to usa today. as 80 is going digital. it will be shorter as colleges analyzed tests. put down your pencils and grab your laptops, the sat one of the nations most commonly used entrance exams is going digital. the college board, the organization that administers the sat, psat and other standardized tests announce the change tuesday. the shift to online exams won't happen until 2024 for american students, international students will start testing virtually in any 23 they write for decades, psat or its ts competitor the act was required to apply to traditional colleges.

the test ubiquity had faded in recent years as more colleges have ditched the exams as a prerequisite for admissions test optional movement started before the pandemic but rotavirus shutdowns for even more universities to pause or drop their testing requirements. according to fair test the national center for open testing a nonprofit critical of the sat as we pointed out 80 percent of roughly 2300 four year colleges are requiring the exam for high school students. brentwood tennessee, let's hear from an educator. on educators line it's wayne. >> my name is wayne and we home educated for children and they took tests to go into college. i think tests are an equalizer because if if rich people can print their children to take the test, they have enough money to overcome financial obstacles

and get more children into college. and there's no way that their money is going to be an impediment to having more rich children in college and poor children. we were very fortunate. all our children got scholarships and undergraduate degrees for all four of them were very inexpensive. >> how much was the sat score a factor in each of your children's ability to land a scholarship? well, universities use a lot of different things but yes, they did take the sat act which they had very a lot better than i did when i took it but very good.they went to a local university that really wanted students that work in themselves a directed school system where their own

initial lives are they learned early that they had work to get done and it's up to them to do it without a teacher sitting right over them. i have two nurses that got esn's and one that got advanced degrees and it went really well for them. they're all very successful. but it was a big factor and i think it should remain a factor. i think that the advantages that people with money have no matter what color are not going to go away because of standardtesting . i think the argument about standardized testing is a sub argument of are there any standards today, not only in college admissions but do we have behavior standards? do we have the standards that

are character standards? if you want to be judged on character well, you have to have standards in order to judge that character. we don't want to do that. >> in terms of education would you be in favor of a national standard for nations like japan, south korea and others who have a national standard. in terms of the entrances into higher education, would you be in favor of a national standard that have to apply to students regardless of what they come from? >> from a competitive standpoint, china in order to get any advanced education at all, you have to go through rigorous testing. it doesn't matter if you are rich or poor. the parents have the burden of educating their children, making sure that the standards that are set by the government are met by the

children. the people that are successful in education today , the children that are successful have parents that are interested in their education and that's interest does not solely come from teachers they read with their children when their small . library books, math. they really have a handle on reading before they get to school. and that starts very young. if parents aren't involved all children fail. >> host: we will go to john as a parent on ourparents line , good morning. >> thank you for taking my call. >> ..

i felt like many other appellate may not have that chance to prepare and succeed. >> you pointed out the preparation needed as you say, preparing for a test, study just

for the test. what in your mind with other methods by universities and colleges should assess as students potential for success at the university? >> your able to graduate high school. if you have a problem with high school standards across the country is a different thing and i would support the idea of the national standard. everybody to graduate high school would take in national debt. >> but where in the caribbean are you from? >> haiti, i'm from haiti. >> both of those great, you have to take a national exam for the national education, universities no if you graduate high school and you go to college but

everybody has the same chance, everybody doesn't have to spend money, everybody doesn't have to -- is not a barrier in terms of economic forget with everybody going toto school, you study, he be like everybody study, make standardbearer, it doesn't mean you have to spend money, it doesn't have any bearing on how muchto money i have in the bank account or if i can afford it. >> we are going to hear from another parents, emily calling from ashburn virginia. >> the end of the previous caller, i completely agree. a lot of people here spend hundreds of dollars in our for test prep and take the test multiple times and i don't see

that as a fair playing field for someone -- >> to take a test, a tutorial hundreds of dollars an hourfo fr the sat orer act? >> not uncommon here for people to pay -- we do more typically a safety which some people, depending on schools do take the sat -- i mean, act but it's not uncommon for people tos spend hundreds of dollars an hour several sessions to prepare for the test, test points go up a lot by having these tutors to know to teach these kids how to play the game. >> do you know of parents who said i would love to do that but can't afford it? >> yes, even here yes you have parents doing that and originally i thought maybe good

by school or region but i'm sure looking at our school, we don't have a lot of free and reduced lunch even in wealthy schools or whatever, you still have a percentage of population still on free and reduced lunch not in a position to pay that kind of money to answer the question, i do think having it as an option where people who argue really well and want to include that as an option, i think that's fine but a requirement -- i don't see that as a fair metric to measure whatever they are trying to measure with it because so many people are going about it so

differently. >> thank you for calling, some reaction on social media, lizzie tweets from try finding a student who would object to drop the standard sue from new jersey that sat scores shouldn't be the ultimate standard to measure student capacity to learn. too much pressure on testtakers or muscles need to look at the whole picture, not one little piece of it. the purpose of education is to e educate, not just take people's money and we see tweets that aptitude testing should remain as a way to assess a person's rights and weaknesses is important to educators and employers facing somebody effectively. this is the opinion piecece from political magazine, professor at georgetown university hospital, white colleges ditch the sat permanently and she writes that

abolishing is 80s for college missions expand applicant pipeline, brings more racial, ethnic and economic diversity to campuses and raises aspirations of students residing on the top side of american inequality, institutions typically claim in the mission statement educating future citizens leaders to contribute to society, standardized tests are good predictors of such behavior. shet writes they reaffirm existing wealth structural advantages. schools should be encouraging rather than excluding and expelling students who are not wealthy and face barriers. that's politico.com. on our educators line, kevin is in south massachusetts. >> thank you for letting me on the program. while i think from the arguments you've made previously, it's very good against this

particular test. i would also put in for students, most students feel their over tested, you have state proficiency test, they cover the same types of things, reading comprehension and basic math stuff that sat was due. colleges could have requiring another test but most of all i'm an ap teacher, m i would like to substitute, a difference between sat tests, sat tests measure kids who are bright but don't necessarily have a good work ethic. they do well on the test and the college no space have both work ethic and intelligence, that's why i favor these types of tests. sat is not a worthwhile test to use for admissions. i know several colleges have abolished it. >> whichol ap do you teach? >> i've taught five ap

courses -- excuse me, four. social studies ap like geography, u.s. history, world history and those types of horses. >> in general, have you had feedback from your students who do go on to college at that course in particular, that exam was helpful in preparing them college? >> yes, ap is -- i haven't found too many people who objected ap because they are basically college courses.d the smartest kids in the world can't pass an ap test unless they study the kids who have done well have gone on to college and done pretty well. >> thank you for your input, bob is up next in irvine california, go ahead. >> thank you. this is just another example of the dumbing down of america. okay? we're going to go digital, why? it's easier to change the scores

and cheat on the test say johnny did pretty good but if you have an actual physical paper test sheet, you have to go by that. the chinese and russians are laughing at americans. i know for a fact south korea japan have suffered to take the test the quality of what they are getting what they do is higher than what we are. we're just becoming dumbing it down, dumbing it down, why? it will be taken over by marxist economy so if you want to be an american, tough itt up, open the book you your test, read, study and movee ahead. god bless you. >> bob in california talked about the online test, implying it may be easier to cheat. there's a piece in the washington post that says we touched on earlier that talks

about this, they write about. -based testing in article to enable the college board to beef up security. officials said because there will be less, stolen test booklets and variations questions posed to individual students, testing will continue to be proctored at secure sites but digital sat is not envisioned as an at-home test. in south carolina next on our student line. go ahead. >> good morning, thanks for having me. i think it's like a ninja loan for education, we are no longer checking credentials of anyone who wants to get an education and i think that could result in increase in government spending

federal loans from other could be more people taking out loans and with the training and practice responsibility, i heard some people say generally on the parents and i believe more responsibility needs to be put on public schools to train students for the sat and more practice sat exams and also with digitalization of the tests, i think poses an opportunity to actually combine common core testing and reducing standard i tests the students have to take. >> what's been your experience with sat or standardized testing in college admissions? are you student now in high school or in college? >> i am currently in college, i attend university and i had to take my entrance -- i took my

sat and submit it all back and took mine on paper. i took it the traditional way and submitted the information and i also had to take online exams proctored by a live person so i don't think there's going to be huge risk of cheating. >> how big of a factor do you think were sat score was getting you admitted to classes? >> i don't think itni was the mt significant factor, i think they might have been looking at grades more but i do think it played a major role in their decision how they choose who will succeed in their programs. >> all right, appreciate your call. let's go to mary new york, good morning. >> i'm calling because i don't think the sat should be eliminated mainly for two reasons. i am aware wealthier families

have their kids tutored but i think the admissions office are pretty sophisticated. they've been doing it for a while and they know that because when youou apply for your kit applies, most are looking for scholarships so the admissions officers know the family's income. a poor kid from the corn belt gets a high score the same as a rich kid from near washington d.c. admissions officers will understand the kid from the midwest is just as smart as the kid from maryland or wherever, oryou know. i also think -- i'm not sure to explain but for instance, mye father did not take the sats and he's a very bright man but he never got to know how bright he was because he never got to take

the test, he went to a state school where as i got to take the sat and the achievements test and i went to harvard and graduated from there. i got to go because of my sat. a bunch of people get straight a's, there needs to be a further process to help admissions officers distinguish who's really good. >> appreciate the call, this is an opinion piece and inside my professor larry, professor of english at city college of chicago. he's in favor -- against getting rid of the sat, keep the sat and act and rights that such totally irrational irresponsible pushers in the name of helping minority students are leaving american students unprepared for college and drink minority students finishing of education, sending the wrong message about what american institutions learning value destroying america's

fundamental beliefs and harms work and personal accountability and further putting america's national and internationalpu rik interests at risk. you can findri that inside highr ed. will take your calls until 8:00 eastern or so rather college or university's to drop the sat as admission requirement. the lines are for students and parents. for educators, (202)748-8001. for all others, 202-748802. donald in washington on the parents line. go ahead. >> good morning, good morning c-span and everyone else. i would agree with a few of them sounded like responsible parents, it comes back on the parents. we start knocking off tests and requirements, i think we all

know where that goes. we watched, i personally watch that, i'm about 41 and they started doing that in high schools where kids they say don't get left behind, that's exactly what happened, they get left behind because they are not required to do anything. their parents are required there parents. i think it falls back on the parents. i don't believe -- i'm tired about hearing about race and all that. the only think i a think it woud allow his cheating and people who have lots of cash to buy their kids ways in and everyone remembers about a year end half ago the hollywood leaks and whatnot out there in berkeley and whatnot got caught paying for theirwh kids who were out screwing around not doing their stuff the macdonald, i don't know if you heard that parent from virginia talking about the

cost of the preparation, hundreds ofe dollars for tutor for a prep course so how do we make the prep courses more affordable, more accessible to people who don't have that kind of money to get their kids prepped for the exams?e >> i think it falls back with that word, preparation. you have to prepare, you can't just expect to pay your rent on rent day and start working on right day. you want to getve ready for school, start teaching your kids early. you can't just say billy had this from a battery the other and susie had this or that or the other so we are just going to cut all of us across the board, it's not going to turn out well. i don't know paid attention to the stuff coming out of colleges right now, you can be smart but that's not going to get you anywhere in the world. that won't keep food on your

plate.e. i think it just comes back to the parents and i'm sick and tired of hearing about certain different things especially race because we are all on equal playing field in your stacked with cash -- >> we've been talking about the change in the sat and whether colleges and universities should drop the sat requirement and we talked about the two supreme court cases that will come up in the next term for the court on college admissions standards. here's another issue on college campuses written about this morning in washington times what their front page college students uneasy about free speech. u.s. college students place higher value from a high value on first amendment but feel increasinglyl uneasy for different ideological reasons about free speech on campus according to a survey released tuesday. more than half of students responded 59% to the pulsing college campuses let them be

exposed to all types of speech even iff they find it offensive or biased. republicans 71% in white responded 65% or more likely to agree with that statement and independence, 57% democrats 55%. black students 47% of hispanics 45% who said they feel unsafe part of the first amendment. the director of learning and impact of the nonprofit foundation said the pope reflects a trend 2016 august students feeling insecure about campus free speech for racial and political reasons. the parents line, otis is in detroit, good morning. >> good morning, how are you doing? i am here in detroit, even myself, or, almost five college

degrees, the act act didn't reflect on myy ability and my children as i learned from a who are able to send them to a university summer college the cost of prepping them to take the sat, act cost hundreds of dollars from my wife and i had to spend to prepare. later on i learned that children were able especially in families that have the experience nonwhite, their kids take the sats in the ninth grade in the higher the test score as you gos on is the highest score they keep and we put together in our neighborhood who couldn't afford, educated or handicapped to allow them prepare our children in the neighborhood to prep them and let them know they

can take the test and raise money. some families couldn't even rate raise money to even pay for. >> how soon did you have them take the sat test at the ninth grade? >> each one's score went up, we have some kids going to university ofo michigan and others on fulbright scholarship. the sat sent to state schools and things like that and that was -- another thing i want to say, china and japan from the past, their system is a whole lot different and they don't have racial will type the five ethnic people in their country, they have chinese and japanese students, they find a lot of their education because they have a. society almost. blacks especially have

disadvantage since world war ii, no education, baby boomers came along and didn't understand their parents first generation and generation x in the education, i was blessed to have all three of my children on full ride scholarships just because my wife and i hired a tutor. and we are black. >> congrats. >> it cost a lot of money, we stayed in a little small house and spent our money on them, their education and other things instead of buying big homes, we didn't buy new a cars but we set them to kitty college every summer and they would take the sats as ninth graders and it kept going up. >> congratulations on that. monica, next up. good morning. >> good morning. i'm against sats, i took them

myself i don't think i had a fair shot with it. my parents didn't know anything about the sat prepping me. i didn't have access to tutors or anything, i did have access to the test through free and reduced lunch, that's how i was able to take it. i did not -- i don't even know what my scores were to be honest because i had no guidance going into college. i was able to go to college later as an adult on my own i never had to take the sat. i did totally fine in school, i don't think it had any bearing on my performance in school. i also want to touch on one of the callers who said admissions boards are likely looking at incomes and correlating sat scores to potential incomes of students. if admissions boards were not able to know the doctors photo of a different head on a different body for lower, are they looking at each person's income?

no, that's a totally different process, that's not something at the top of your application saying yourha income and what yu are able to afford in terms of whether or not you should have the merit to beer accepted. >> thanks for the call this morning from a comment here on twitter about ourca topic this first hour, like so many other institutions in the country, admissions tests are simply another method is them for corporations to extract in order to allow americans to move on to a desired way of life, higher education. as an educator in arlington virginia. >> good morning. yes and no, we don't really have to get rid of the sats simply so because we have other rigorous curriculum.. we can track students, if they

don't want to text that sat, students into other curriculums such as the ib program which is like a global form of education that deals with indicators that students have to basically take different subject matters that will rate them as students on a global level and around the world. the curriculum, we can start tracking them in gifted and talented programs when they are very young and you have different sectors in society in which students attract at a very young age, as young as four or

five years old and they start tracking for students in programs. >> you may have put y your fingr on something, how do we do a better job of that, of identifying across all sorts of school levels and types and kids of different income levels, those kids showing potential track those kids in addition to other kids losing their ability? >> well, it's a matter of knowledge. the school system is like a maze. you have to have layers of knowledge, navigate the students to a complicated system of stratification's terms of economic and so on and so forth.

it's going to this particular maze, this system. you have to pay for counselors or they understand the education system from a higher level, university to middle school and etc. >> all right, thank you for your opinion, we will go to alan in south carolina. >> good morning. i don't think they should change the sat get rid of it, i graduated apparatus state university in the 80s, i think the question should be more life skills questions. when you are a freshman, you just went to school and nothing on the sat really prepares you for classroom time management, most freshmen take too many classes and get behind in the beginning. they should change the questions

up on the sat. i don't think it's economic, i'm a black man but i don't think that is the issue. i don't think race is the issue. i think it's the questions. >> some good points there, appreciate that. much of the next hour talking about the biden administration energy agenda to help us left christie with the center for american progress, senior vice president energy environment in certain obama white house, white house council on environmental quality managing director during the administration and also joining us, nick lawrencee with the free solutions, public-policy vice president, both of you, welcome to "washington journal". >> thanks for having me. >> thank you, good morning. >> we will start with a question for both of you and goals set by the biden administration. the energy policy priorities announced by the administration last year when they came into

office, u.s. carbon emissions cut by half by 2030 to get to one 100% clean electricity by 2035 internet zero emissions by 2050, how much progress you think administration made for the goals? >> i think some and there's some positive development that will probably have longer-term payoff for instance, has been about $60 billion plus allocated to the department of energy the bipartisan infrastructure bill that will have longer-term payoffs clean energy technologies like hydrogene energy storage and direct care capture in terms of meeting near-term goals, there are setbacks in terms of inability to pass the build back better act andac regulation going to te time to pass and be implement the and i think that's the important question not necessarily targets themselves

but how you get there and there's a much more pragmatic way to get to the targets and open access to investment and innovation and reduce the regulatory roadblocks so we can get the clean energy technologies deployed in a manner that is sensible with the targets that takes input from communities and make sure private property rates are heard for part of the problem we are running into is nimby is him and environmental activism in the deployment of the clean energy technologies we know are cost competitive but the problem is they are having a difficult time getting out and the affordable and revisable energy. >> on the goals of the biden administration ethnic pointed out, they've not been able to pass the build back better, as i pointed b happen in order to mae

the goals? >> certainly a big piece of it. the belt back betterba bill whatever that version will be in 2022 would be a framework that includes a strongt investment in renewable energy. as nick mentioned, that's the backbone reaching these climate goals and how much clean energy we can get onto the grid and how quickly. we know there are multiple regulatory tools and we will need every tool in the toolbox to reach the goals so not only do we need investment in go back better to help spur and incentivize the right energy getting off the grid, we also need to makee sure the regulatoy framework is in place to support that.la they put in stronger roles, clean energy and energy efficiency rules so we've got a

lot of steps they need to take the first year, it spent pretty promising, the largest offshore wind in the history of the united h states and we make a lt of progress for the administrationha and 75% of the regulatory actions the trump administration took and the money in the bipartisan infrastructure bill is incredibly important for laying the foundation for the renewable energy cleaning up the great, hydrogen hubs mentioned and making sure we've got the transmission available to make progress. while permitting is a key piece of getting all of the belt, you have to have g investment in the technologies to get them built as well. permitting is just one piece that requires local state and federal cooperation and key part of thehe job they have ahead to

make sure the right products are built in the 2020 -- as we are getting 20% by renewables, electrical power, 19% by coal and natural gas, 40% so is that still a reasonable goal? >> i to gets going to be challenging especially some states like california decommissioning nuclear power plant even though you had former obama energy secretary urging themve not to, not being able to

maintain clean electricity on the grid will be challenging to meet future targets. i think part of the problem with the way build back better is orchestrated right now, it continues down the path of subsidizing technology that shouldn't need subsidies, extensions of the wind production tax credit solar investment has credit those subsidies have been around for a long time, i think a better path forward would be to get rid of the subsidies and fossil fuel subsidies transition to a more technology neutral tax credit for the technologies based on cost of producing co2 emissions so you have a level playing field, private sector is i investing so we can let the private sector invest in that path forward and it will be a more efficient cost-effective way to meet the targets even or

something like that i think would be a challenge moving forward given availability and affordability on things like clean natural gas. >> is essential to have subsidies in place with clean energy industry to survive? >> as we've seen the cost of wind and solar come down dramatically over the past decade, it is essential for them to reach the goals where they need to go. we can subsidize, that is the earliest and multiple accounts about 20 million. to say let's get rid of subsidies and see how the markeh goes, that's not going to get us where we need to go. it's putting a thumb on the scale, we are right now where we witnessed wildfires in colorado end of december with numbers of congress who came back from their winter recess saying they

had conversations at the dinner table with their younger 20-year-old nieces, nephews and grandchildren, not having children because they don't we will have a livable planet so the idea we should remove the owners for technology is incorrect. >> you can watch the rest of the program if you go to c-span.org. we take you live back to the white house where press secretary jen psaki is holding her daily briefing with reporters. live coverage on c-span2. >> executive orders to make sexual harassment to military justice. this is the uc mj honors, honest the memory and si, experience of severe sexual harassment followed by brutal murder. violence in our military helping advance bipartisan military justice reform in the 2022