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>> or congressman tom emmer cole of oklahoma is with us a key member of the appropriation committee ranking member of the torules committee congressman welcome back to "washington journal". >> built great to be with you. >> it seems like a lot of unity tuesday night with the issue of the war in ukraine. what is your view on how the u.s. and nato are handling the war so far? could we be doing more? >> i think we can be doing more and be happy to talk about that. i've been pleasantly surprised at the unity of nato the esaggressiveness and forward leaning of the number of the countries particularr germany. it needs a 2% obligation to nato. has sent weapons which is a big change in the policies to a country involved in the conflict. it hasas also suspended the nord

stream2. those are big steps. i could go on and a lot of other countries as well. i think the data response across the board is in pretty good. i think the america responses been pretty good. i think the administration has earned some points and credibility on that. there's a couple areas i wish they would go further on number one, almost incomprehensible to me we are importing almost six of the thousand barrels a day of russiann crude and petro producs spread that is something we can do without. it would take us a bit and cause a bit of heartburn but we do not it. that basically feeding the beast. we are giving money to the russians and helping indirectly to finance their efforts against ukraine. we need to stop that immediately. >> go ahead. the president may be missed a

little of an opportunity on this, his original budget he submitted was far too low in terms of defense 1.7% increase actually inflation adjusted cut. with the house and the senate armed services committees authorize considerably higher number than that i think 25 billion more those are democrat-controlled committee state to secure the president as well. i now i think he should have come out. we need a long and strong commitment on defense spending front. not only to deal the short term with russia and ukraine, but much longer-term of china and the pacific. i wish would see that those two things would send a very important message to putin. in indirectly to president xi and china. >> why do you think they additionally have not stopped russian oil exports what you think the economic effect the

impact would be on americans? >> think verse will be trying to minimize the pain of confrontini russia. and obviously we are caught in an inflationary spiral right now. inflation i must say i would attribute largely to the bided policies. and i am not alone in that. larry summers was a prominent democratic colonists secretary treasurer for bill clinton, said the same thing with the american rescue plan was passed. this is going to be inflationary if got to feel it. so now if we all the sudden push russian oil products off the market and probably run the risk of the short term of more inflation. i acknowledge that prey on the other hand i would say compared to financing the russian war effort which you can turn on your television on any stationro and see the horror of what is going on in ukraine, i think most americans would say flip to make a temporary sacrifice we will do it.

we're not going to underwrite the war effort every war criminal for that is what putin is pre- >> who talked about defense spending a chock specific house your quest for ukraine the white house has asked for so far three and a half billion for the defense department. nearly $3 billion for the state department and usaid for this liheadline for the wall street journal says this about that proposal, the 82 ukraine throws a wrench into the government funding talks. congressman cole, what can you tell us about that? short-term funding measure is expiring next friday. >> look i read the wall street journal i very much disagree with that assessment. i do not see ukraine finding a problem. as a matter fact this morning looks like the administration made up their request to $10 billion for ukraine, both for lethal aid in for humanitarian relief. i would be very supportive of

that i think most republicans would be. we are in a conflict we are not directly involved in terms of our troops think goodness big nose to nose with the russians. we have a stake in the outcome and the struggle. these are free people defend their own country gets on provoked aggression forst they have not asked us for troops we have no obligation to send them. they have asked us for moral and material support we ought to provide it. and so i would be happy to work with the administration on that. again that is a broad bipartisan position. ukraine funding iss certainly nt an obstacle to getting to a larger budget deal. >> welcome our viewers and listeners for comments and questions with congressman tom emmer cole delights (202)748-8000 for democrats. (202)748-8001 for republicans. in (202)748-8002 for independence and others. congressman you mentioned working with the president, is

there u anything from tuesday's state of the union on the domestic side of things for you see some potential for compromise? >> a couple. frankly i support the presidents effort on the national institute of hell. they mentioned specifically with a sort of very special agency connected with our defense operation which is finding a high risk, high reward breakthrough technologies the president has proposed doingid something similar in a biomedical research. i fully support that brady got to debate the amount of money and what have you. but particularly since we are later in the fiscal year than his original proposal. this are certainly areas i can b work with. and other areas though, i saw him double down on build back a

better he did not use the term but he certainly tried to resurrect bits and pieces ofre e policy we are going to disagree pretty strongly of that. we just need to get the government funded that basically gets on the four things defensive budget has to go up over its original proposal i think most democrats recognize that. domestic spending proposal has to come down increase domestic spending by 18% adding 40% to the department of education. i certainly can help in education but not 40% increase in a single year for an apartment. we are going to have to put theh protections back and the democrats chose to strip them out. as her pro life protections to keep taxpayer dollars for underwriting abortions except in cases of rape, incest and life of the mother. finally there's a lot of climate change, poison pills as we would put them in the republican perspective and the appropriations bill print look, if they them to the authorizing committees good enough. we are not going to put them on

appropriations bills which are must pass bills and allow democrats to sneak through a lot of things we don't agree with on the back door. those of the kinds of issues that are being ironed i out in e negotiations right now. >> live calls for congressman tom emmer cole let's go first to joel on the democrat line in michigan. x good morning. i have a difficult time believing republicans but i want to backup my statements. in 1999 mitch mcconnell said i am completely and utterly perplexed that perjury are not high crimes and m misdemeanors. trump was charged with the same thing and was guilty of the same thing. in 1998's, lindsey graham set a present has theirs not comply with congressional request for information is subject to impeachment. trumpam did not do the same thi.

also mike pence said a man who commits adultery for the president must move on. well mike you actually started working for a guy who committed adultery. on the other thing i would like to say is that with all of these voting changes that were proposed by republican states, these changes only came in because of the fact that trump lost. there is nothing that separated republicans and democrats that made it biased from one department to the other. from one party to the other by the only thing they did not like was the fact that the republicans or the democrats took advantage of these changes and was able to vote easier. republicans could have but they chose not too. >> will hear from our guest.

>> obviously we have different point of views. i respect his opinion. as a partisan overview of everything back to 1998 or 1999 was just going to put us in a debate but nothing gets done. in terms of not believing anything republican ranking member of the most contentious domestic spending program which we pass. the bill six times in a row. for what i was chairman we know how to work together we passed it under democratic presidents, republican presidents and democrat congressman is an republican congressman's let's fund the entire government for the united states are working

hard with our democratic colleagues right now to find common ground appeared were going to do that i'm not going to rehash history or tried to respond to it other people said 20 or 25 years ago. i can give you a litany of republicans they go back to fdr. i don't think it is part equally productive. not sure either price is historically very accurate. >> to akron ohio james go-ahead. >> yes i have two questions for congressman cole. one of them i keep hearing the keystone pipeline is the reason the oil prices have increased. and yesterday it was due to russia helping to increase the price of oil that is one thing. the other thing was this from the keystone pipeline, my understanding is that that when

him sued and won the case wants to be denied access anyway. that is what i am trying to find out. i'm hearing three or four different things. if this was illegal's width of reservation for the pipeline, we have to reroute the pipeline route oklahoma comment to get it to texas where we want to go. if that is indeed the case. then the other thing i would like to know about why can i go around oklahoma for your information i am native america, member of the chickasaw nation. the keystone pipeline actually in oklahoma there's not that any

controversy at all in oklahoma for the controversy you are wasrring to is around called standing rock reservation which is a sioux reservation and the dakotas. you are exactly right. if indians do not want a pipeline built to the reservation, they have every right to prohibit it. this case it was not built through the reservation but it was close. it was a few hundred feet. that needs to be addressed. that needs to be changed. your questionn about whether or not this is what caused the increase in prices i would say it is a factor but not the main factor. the main factor number one the president, when he stopped the keystone which would by the way deliver over 800,000 barrels a day into the united states some would stay here some would be exported to other markets. and beyond that make a point candidate was very much in favor of doing this.

we ran a pipeline the entire length of canada called the alaskan pipeline which brings american crude from alaska down to the lower 48. the canadians have been wonderful friends and partners of ours. and stopping the keystone pipeline was an affront to them and economic damage them. theyey did not deserve that. again, they have been good partners to the united states of america. firm allies and ferment friends we can work to the keystone this was a concession not that native american movement but the environmental movement that is not when she is fossil fuel. in terms of driving a prius, when the president decide to stop new leasing and exploration on federal land it's probably a bigger factor in the short term. federal lands constitute about 20% of the surface area of the united states in the west in particular their extraordinarily narrow ridge full of oil and gas

deposit. it also stopped new offshore drilling and exploration. rumor gas and oil prices were going up before they went into ukraine went up dramatically. we canen thank the biden administration for that but we had an economy 3.5% unemployment rates were roaring along pre-covid and nobody was complaining about the price at the pump because it was over a dollar less than it is today. this is a policy driven shortage. the president with the more disappointing aspect of the state of the union address he is reversing his own policies. this was announced on day one the most important thing in america was too stop the keystoe pipeline was to stop oil and gas exploration on federal lands, those are shortsighted and silly policies and quite frankly they enhance the power of vladimir putin. they enhance the power of other had talker sees in opec where they put america which was

energy independent at foreign suppliers that is bad energy policy and it is bad national security policy. your sinks and the consequences of it play out right now in ukraine. in right now frankly the prices you pay every time you go fill up your vehicle. >> question on domestic oil production from linda from texas on twitter to ask this, oklahoma is the fifth largest producer 522,000 barrels of oil per calendar day. will the state to increase their? >> they absolutely will. we are doing everything we can to develop the reserves we have. like our friends in texas have done that from well over 100 years we've exported energy, wl beyond around the world. we are a believer and that. does it need to be done responsibly? yes. can we do it in ways that lower

natural gas is done more to thcurtail the carbon output fosl fuels than any other thing. we are proud of our energy industry. we are also by the way a big a wind power state we are number two in the country. over 40% of our electric grid is winded generated. which contribute to americans energy independence and frankly make sure democratic countries are the small all over the world not held hostage by vladimir putin and the russians. this considerable energy producer in their own right a much bigger exporter ring produce the united states break let us hear from michael and texarkana, arkansas independent line. >> good morning c-span good morning representatives it's a pleasure to speak to you. i am an independent i've never

voted for republican my life. [laughter] i am a disabled veteran that's homebound so i watch c-span and i watched congress and senate in session is boring as all get out. the va entry point for treatment west is a joke break and watch my grass grow sitting on my porch i can watch c-span and legislature i choose to watch c-span and the legislature. and i have seen you try to cross the aisle and i respect you for that. you're the only republican he seen the congress that seems to have his head on anywhere near straight. what i would ask you to do is the other ridiculous people put a band-aid on it. if you're going to bring this country together you have to grit both sides of the aisle do not set their and talk or how bad the other side is that's what happens your morning speeches that's all they say. he's an idiot. you entering this country together set an example go be together.

stop putting the other side if you disagree with them, disagree but do not make them morons because you disagree with them but if you entering this country together set an example come together at your selves. there's my statement appreciate the opportunity. >> i appreciate your statement you expressed the sentiments of a whole lot not only are all but most people refer we work together. let me give you an example of what we do in a sort of gets lost in the turmoil. and 2020 was a pretty tough your red covid hit in february we had all economically of that to the springng and whelmed to the summer. and obviously we're in the middle of a very divisive and bitter presidential campaign part yet congress passed five covid relief bills $4 trillion overwhelming majority on both sides of the aisle supported it and negotiated it. all of the appropriations bill,

$4.5 trillion. we hear that now which i'm a potential government shutdown.n. all of them got done within the calendar year. if you go back and look at the boat mostly bipartisan. congress on a bipartisan basis overrode the national defense authorization act because he wanted to attach something to it which by the way most republicans and some democrats agreed with on reining in the high-tech companies reducing their liability. in the present was right on the issue. but we did not want to pardon denies the defense bill we passed for 60 straight years and we did that we rejected the president and went ahead and pass the bill. so congress can work together. i think your point about notbo vilifying the other side there are some democrats i disagree with on many issues. in fact i was a republican and conservative for a reason. i try not to vilify anyone personally.

and quite frankly there's a lot of folks i disagree seven or eight times out of ten but on the ninth and tenth time i can work with and. we get something done for think of makee good friend because he chairwoman of the full committee one democrat called this the odd couple. [laughter] she is theatrical she is hellishly dressed and flamboyant she's got purple hair a while day for me is like today my gosh i got a striped shirt on. on the other hand we passed six of the most contentious and bills each voted for final passage all six times. we did not agree initially we marked down our positions. but we worked together and got all six of cross are in that process right now. she is now chairwoman of my subcommittee but also chairwoman of the full committee. she and kate grangers are our ranking republicans are both fantastic appropriators.. tough-minded they know how to

cut a deal. even recently big pipe bipartisan votes not binding them to arbitration my salsa most conservatives and get it passed at a bipartisan fashion. both of those bills are the united states senate right now. i predicted both of them will pass their major, major pieces of legislation. sometimes though what's covered covid conflict you don't cover consensus. my work together, sometimes you don't see it very much. we are at odds with one another, then there is more interesting and more coverage.

but your basic point about being civil in debate i could not agree with more. i serve on the rules committee which is by nature very contentious committee on the top republic at my friend james mcgovern from massachusetts is the chairman of the full committee. we disagree venomously. >> all vote differently if you watch that to me i think you'd see it's one of the most civil escommittees in congress because it chairman mcgovern sets an example i think for the entire committee and i support that. he is right. we can disagree without throwing rocks at one another or verbally denigrating one another. your point about that is important. but again that attracts attention what people do it whether it is on the left or the right. and i am sorry for that part i do not think it is helpful to the process. but most members honestly are quite respectful of the other members on the other side, just probably does not come through

as clearly as obviously i wish it would to anybody looking at the media break lectures a few minutes left of the congress met the house coming in at 9:00 o'clock eastern for it we go into chesterfield, virginia good morning. >> good morning how are youou doing? a circle, why are we building alaskan pipeline? how many barrels are coming out a day? you all built this and told us it was going to nobody talks about that no more. i had an gentleman earlier sayt was you that said the alaskan pipeline. but to me it seems like it is a waste of money. if you're putting out 600,000 barrels a day from a russia and canada and with in

texas, louisiana, what is the purpose? that's not helping the people in this country. the people in alaska get a check every month. where is all that oil going? >> glad congressman for. >> thank you very much. first of all people in alaska are americans. they structure their natural resources the way they think is appropriate i have no problem with that. if you don't think it's important to stop alaska oil from coming to the united states you will see your gasoline bill go through the roof it. i am very grateful for the people in alaska and what they do and reduce energy for the rest of america. in terms of the pipeline was think our friends in canada for letting us run a pipeline the length of their country that contributes to our energy security and keeps prices reasonable in america. they ought to have the same

privilege of building a pipeline through our country. by the way, most of which is completed. most people don't realize president obama went to oklahoma to celebrate the completion of the first leg of the alaskan pipeline which is pushing oklahoma all the way down to the gulf and louisiana. so lots of this pipeline is don is a critical link going into canadian oilfields that president biden decides to spend and cost is 10,000 jobs and 800,000 barrels of oil aba day. the other thing you say where is this all gone? look around. americans have the cheapest energies in the world we all compare complain about our prices go by in a gas of an england, france, israel or other places. you will begin to see how lucky we are pretty have the cheapest electricity in the world. and by the way, any of you are looking to locate your business come to oklahoma we have the cheapest electricity in america.

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