court. follow this is our process, march with coverage of the confirmation hearing starting monday 11:00 a.m. eastern on c-span, c-span.. reporter: download the free c-span now video app. >> a hearing on new advancements in wireless technology continued rollout of 5g. this iss from the house energy and commerce subcommittee on communications and technology.

>> good morning, everyone. to give our digital teams -- my subcommittee on communications and technology -- today the subcommittee on communication technology is holding a hearing

title 5g and we are exploring wireless midtier. the covid-19 public health emergency, members can participate either in person or online videoconferencing with the guidance issued by this position and members of the hearing room are not mask all members participating, your microphone will be on mute for the purpose of limiting inadvertent background noise. it is abating remotely, unmute your microphone each time you wish to speak. once you unmute your microphone anything set will be heard over the loudspeakers in the committee room and subject to be heard by live stream c-span.

in today's hearing off recognition of members such as in the order of subcommittee order. documents can be sent to the e-mail address we provided. all documents will be entered into the record at the conclusion meeting -- not. >> if your muted -- >> welcome and thank you all for being here today, special welcome to our witnesses and thank them for their contributions discussion. i'm glad to gorgas hearing on such an important issue is the subcommittee with jurisdiction over doctor and final commercial spectrum management, thee technology subcommittee has shown bipartisan leadership

interest on the issue. spectrum policy is not on the top of the average consumer's mind but it affects everyday lives. the average u.s. household has 25 connected devices, smart phone penetration is 80% and wireless device subscriptions outnumber the u.s. population. we use baby monitors garage door openers, listen to the radio and watch tv using mobile devices in fauci's, farms and transportation systems are ever more connected, any of them wirelessly. all of these users were depend on spectrum and american economy is dependent on spectrum. as we push pork one 100% broadband conductivity at home, spectrum will be necessary for homes regardless if they have a wired ory fixed wire connection.

it's our job as members of the subcommittee to make sure spectrum policy continues to enable these and opens newit opportunity for the next generation technology innovations. fundamentally we need to use our nations airways sufficiently as possible. with an eye on the exponential growth of wireless data used, we know spectrum will be available for consumer use. this means the federal government which still holds a majority of the countries spectrum needs to use spectrum allocations were efficiently recognized spectrum is a viable opportunity to work cooperatively neighboring spectrum users. for congress we should record risk the federal government agencies the tools they need in the process. without commercial spectrum we must achieve a balance of both license and unlicensed spectrum. it's important to make spectrum available to sustain deployment

of 5g and paperweight 6g. at the same time we need to identify spectrum for unlicensed use, sustain the traffic we've seen in wi-fi and fuel the next generation of wi-fi, wi-fi seven. i believe the lower three gigahertz bandhe presents enorms opportunity making additional consumer oriented spectrum available. spectrum innovation act strikes the right balance between federal users need and importance of mission and maximize spectrum for consumer use. click additional spectrum allocated to the private sector, new opportunities will arise for additional cutest in both licensed and unlicensed bands. i want to take a moment to thank him and his staff for what they've been doing to find a bipartisan passport for this belt. i'm looking forward to filling it with their support. another item that needs action

by congress is extension by the fcc's ability to conduct spectrum options. i think would be a mistake for congress to let this lapse. in addition to housing usufruct we must look spectrum allocations decisions are made it's imperative we reevaluate our spectrum management policies. congress is taking steps such as with spectrum ordination act and fcc acting ashe well, their announcement on increased cooperation demonstrates with ranking member lata, i laid out principles that should help guide us. if tia must continue to be recognized dropped the federal government is the entity tasked with balancing needs and concerns of federal government. clear rules and expectations for all spectrum users will lead to better outcomes. these processes should be based on client and engineering. last, the federal government needs to speak with a clear

unified voice when making spectrum decisions. committing ourselves to these principles will lead to better management policies and ultimately better outcomes for both the federal and nonfederal users. while these aree meeting topics, how we approach sample contract are how our economy can grow. i look forward to hearing the witnesses expert testimony and thoughts and concerns of my colleagues. thank you to our panelists. i am now yielding to my friend for his opening statement. >> thank you for voting in the hearing and i want to thank our witnesses, it is great to see all of your smiling faces, it's wonderful we are all in the same room together. for decades the u.s. is finding

ofovative ways to manage one our nation's most valuable resources. decisions on how best to utilize airways to maximizeax potentialn wi-fi, multiple generations of mobile technology from tucci to 5g, after economy and so much more. the benefits the technologies have had is truly transformational to our economy and way of life.re our recent report estimate unlicensed spectrum generates over 95 billion a year in the connected technology market. i am a cochair of the wi-fi caucus and went wi-fi was first created, no one could have impact predicted the impact it would have on our economy. same is true for spectrum use. congress provided fcc authority to auction off licenses and use a portion of the airways. since then, they've held over 100 auctions for various licensed and airway to power everything from 3g to radio.

in addition to a new way to harness the efficiency ofhe the free market, f authority played a critical role paving the way for new innovative services. by optioning licenses for certain portions of the airways, a certainty they can invest in the tens of billions of dollars in the infrastructure necessary to use the airways. the last two auctions alone have noted 100 billing for the u.s. treasury. as more and more is being used, it's more complex. as new commercial uses are introduced, the possibility of both cases raising the potential for harmful interference places a spotlight on how they have made such this decision. these concerns are magnified when agencies use a new commercial user. over the years we've seenl challenges with have agencies coordinate plans for introducing new services and study potential

for harmful interference. as the energy and commerce committee continues to vote on their work to improve the hprocess, we should look at how the t decisions will build trust in the engineering certainty in this process. when a decision is made, not to further undermine it. but the fcc's authority at the end of the year conducting an option in the review what has worked and what has not and provide necessary direction to the fcccc of commission to becoe more difficult. i look forward to hearing from witnesses today on the opportunity and challenge as they lay ahead for smartly managing our resources. i want to thank our witnesses for being with us and my friendf the chairman for holding this hearing but i would like to yield the remaining balance of my time for my card friend from

louisiana. >> thank you mr. mr. latta for holding this hearing. when you look over the years, congress and especially this subcommittee and energy commerce committee led the way bring forth bipartisan action to assert u.s. global leadership and wireless innovation. a time where we do come together to get things done and it starts here in this room. under the leadership with president trump, auctioning off several fans for commercial use leading to great consumer benefits and strides in innovation additionally, these options have generated billions of private sector investment. with the most recent auction generating a record of more than 80 billing dollars in revenue. that 80.9 billion generated far exceeded the congressional budget office estimates of

2,235,000,000,000 so they thought i5 would generate 20 to 35 billion with the private sector stepping up putting forth their own capitol over 80 billing was generated, we want to see that continue such critical our nation spectrum management process work efficiently. congresst reauthorizes spectrum authority action, it's important to allow fcc to complete pending options and you look at the 2.5 gigahertz band is one aircraft but also continue in the private sector even more opportunity to build out the networks. moving forward into the weekend, needless to lay deployment, we need to allow providers to operate in the spectrum they pay for further investments -- [inaudible] while also heading off --

[inaudible]wa thank you again, mr. chairman. i yield back the remainder of my time. >> chair recognizes the chairman of the full committee for his opening statement. >> thank you, this committee has a long tradition of working together in a bipartisan fashion to lay thexp groundwork for technological innovation in this country and this hearing is no exception. today we began exploring the next frontier technology and it's more important thans a evee lay the foundation for our nation to continue to lead thehe world in critical technological advance. there's no question donations airways are thhn technological growth. we would not have privacy emergency alert, smart phones, messaging services and drones. imagine for a moment so much because technology everyday simply would not exist.

our past success dictates the present or future. in providing consumers access to 4g wireless technology in wi-fi, not guaranteed to result in 5g or next-generation wireless technology such as exegete and wi-fi seven. stakes could not be higher replenish the commercial spectrum pipeline risk the united states falling behind counterparts across the globe including china and producing cutting edge consumerr innovatin and enhancing national security capability. since transitioning airways to allow for new users to take time, we have to put the necessary pieces together now so the u.s. can be ready for the wireless technology for tomorrow. this is important because china has reportedly made three times as much spectrum available for 5g compared to the united statet

for both worlds when it comes to wireless broadband, faster speeds, less buffering. these are the airways or telehealth services, manufacturing and supply chain management but it's not enough to simply make it available for commercial use and must have the ability to place these radiogo waves in the hands of innovators who can put them to good use for the public. since 1994, the federal communications commission has accomplished this to spectrum auction program and remarkable innovative unlicensed spectrum policy in the auction program has been a resounding success raising 200 billing and federal revenue. now the spectrum auction authority must be extended or expire in about six months and without extension, the fcc may not be able to complete auctions

that have not been able to properly close. for these reasons, i urge my colleagues vote in a bipartisan way to extend this arthritic once again, we must do this before they begin the planned auction of the 2.5 gigahertz in july otherwise the auction will be disrupted. congress would be able to put auction proceeds to use by funding priorities like promoting digital equity, next-generation 911 for the replacement of communications, we must trust the federalalov government speaks with one voice when it comes to our airways and that's why chairman doyle and ranking member and innovation act, it will help clarify how important auctions are on the horizon to operate to keep our processes streamlined. i'm pleased to see the new leaders affect telecommunications and information it fcc has started making headway to ensure the two

agencies speak with one voice. both agencies announced new spectrum coordination initiative that aligns with legislation and the committed according to the house in november. this will produce the spectrum strategy which i strongly support in creatingro this position and tia and fcc to meet the current and future spectrum man's of consumers commercial carriers and federal agencies are like. we have a lot to discuss today as we explore the next wireless frontier and welcome our panelists and look forward to hearing from them. i yieldld back. >> the gentleman you expect. missus rogers, ranking member of the full committee for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. we heard from president zelenskyy strong courageouss leader of a freedom loving people of ukraine. america must stand in support ukraine for freedom and self-determination including countering putin's evil unjust

attacks ending his ability to use energy to fund the war by flipping the switch on for energy dominance in f america ad our allies. this committee has opportunity to lead and answer president zelenskyy called to do more and i continue to urge us to do that. now the topic up today, the success of our nations wireless future. it depends on good management of our spectrum resources, the united states is a world leader in wireless technology. we let and l deploy this and are witnesses wireless carriers are making sure we lead and fifth-generation technology. i climbed a 180-foot tower commissioner clark roth the first 5g call in eastern washington, 5g will be a game changer for rural communities. we must continue to make action

available, promote innovation and keep up with demand for new and improved technology. efficient use of spectrum resources will be essential to keep up with demand for wireless devices. fcc made unprecedented amount of spectrum available for commercial use including over 3400 megahertz unlicensed military spectrum, 280 megahertz of licensed spectrum in the secret and unconditional megahertz of spectrum in the 345023550 megahertz. this brought an over 100 billion. wireless carriers work closely with incumbent in the end tia on developing technology in the three.five gigahertz band known as the citizens broadband radio service, cb rf which accident licensed spectrum while protecting raters using frequencies. fcc make 1200 megahertz of

unlicensed available the gigahertz band. we are seeing next-generation technology to utilize the spectrum. we must build on this success providing certainty to industry and government agencies for spectrum reallocations and options is a top priority including addressing expiring auction authority to ensure options such as three.45 and two.five gigahertz are successful and able to be complete. making sure ashley bites like with pat between the fcc, and tia, faa and industry does not become the norm. without that, we can't expect industry to success. brilliant needed too clear spectrum bands in the future. maintain u.s. leadership in wireless technology, we need a national spectrum strategy that outlines full actions by federal

agencies and industries to ensure the most efficient use of spectrum. even with national strategy, repurposed spectrum is more difficult. crucial the federal agencies and wireless stakeholders work together. federal agencies have legitimate needs for the system. the timeline for upgrading the systems to be more efficient is not keep commercial technology. spectrum repurposing has become more difficult, any federal agencies resorted to fear mongering of heaven work through established management progress. during recent high-profile disputes, loosing agencies, the department of transportation attempt to assert authority over commercial spectrum bands orrt agencies do not hold licenses. these interagency battles threaten our ability to lead the world in nexgen communications. we must have trust in the expertise and tia and fcc and

confidence in the established process as we continue to push for stable spectrum pipeline. meanwhile, adversaries like china and russia are trying to undermine our leadership from china is actively trying to infuse standards and institutions and standards in their technology over ours. we must work together to enhance participation by u.s.. companies and international standards. my colleagues mr. wahlberg is leading legislation requiring to do just that. strongly support martin's candidacyy to become secretary general of the international telecommunications union, running against a candidate from the russianan federation given recent atrocities by russia, it's essential we stand behind during and help keep the internet open and safe. i lookk forward to hearing from

all of our witnesses. >> the chair would like to remind members pursuant to committee roles, all members running opening statements shall be made part of the record. great pleasure to introduce our witnesses for today's hearing starting with greg giese, government affairs public knowledge, chief executive corporate strategy and analytics htc inc. director of the competitive carriers association board of directors. global executive director product and digital infrastructure policy with intel senior vice president regulatory affairs cpi inc. as you all know, you have five minutes for opening statements from your box in front of you, one minute left. at the end of five minutes it will turn red interview speak

longer than that, a trapdoor opens under your chair and you are whisked down to the rayburn subway and out of here so let's try to stay with the five-minute roles. i want to thank everyone and now you are recognized for five minutes. >> ranking member latta and r rogers, thank you very much for inviting me to testify here today. we appreciate it. i'm director of government affairsir of public knowledge dedicated to promoting freedom of expression and access to affordable communications. as numbers of the committee are well aware, we are in the midst of a revolution, more devices and services from demand spectrum resources and policy to satisfy that demand is increasingly challenging. to meet that challenge, we must

first use the tools in the toolbox to provide access, licensed, unlicensed, open access, sharing. as the committee recognized, we have to insist on expert coordination led by the fcc and tia. third, we need to emphasize public interest first and foremost in our spectrum policy. supporting the structural components to allow policy makers to address spectrum needs and secure opportunities for all americans and maintain collective global competitiveness. ranking member rogers noted, demand and efforts to meet demand means therece are few opportunities remaining. everyone has to work to enhance efficient use of spectrum and policymakers need to focus on issues such as spectrum utilization, increments and tightening of technical fparameters including receivers. in addition, we need to use the

tools in the toolbox when it comes to access. in 2009 at 2010 when i was honored to serve as counsel on thisd committee under chairman waxman, representative doyle and a number of other folks on the committee made the case we do not need to bring spectrum policies in terms of a fight between license and unlicensed, rather they were calling them for what we now know as the founder framing, six of access regimes promoting spectrum efficiency and healthy fiber wireless sector. an example that brings that in two focus is the fcc's proceeding. there the fcc through rate coordination shows a three-tiered access regime that balanced the needs of protecting ongoing income use while creating opportunities for commercial license services as well as open access spectrum youth. it's all without interference. other successful sharing efforts

share policymakers when they do focus should focus on remaining open to the idea of exploring full speed of access regimes considering many spectrum band. as members of the committee, you are well aware of the importance of spectrum coordination and interagency process. as chairman doyle and ranking member latta wrote last week, it is essential interagency coordination process be followed and made clear and tia the agency and concerns for federal agencies and agencies meant to address the concerns. fcc and tia are working on spectrum coordination update and reestablished high-level meetings and updating memoranda, promoting evidence-based spectrum compatibility analysis and developing a national

spectrum policy. all is critical to restore interagency process. is this committee and fcc explore opportunities, we must ensure every allocation serves the public interest, convenience and necessity. this is more i than making it available forma service. it ensures, includes ensuring members of our society, all members including rural communities, low-income commuters and communities of color enjoy the benefits of these technologies both as consumers and creators and innovators. simply put, spectrum policy should serve the public interest as congress directed. i wanted to spend time this morning discussing access regime, interagency coordination need to focus on public interest because those elements are key to the next phase of exploring the wireless frontier. environ testimony, i go over five opportunities in detail but

briefly mentioning it m here soi don't fall through the trap, to advance public interest need, renew auction authority and support public interest needs with the option revenues. this could advance subjective successors equities and public knowledge and public interest groups joint and coalition support as part of our airwaves for equity campaign. that doesn't mean ng 911, dedicated wireless on this can't be satisfied as well. sharing opportunities, the committee should look at the lower gigahertzmi band, a great opportunity to do that and we look forward to working with you and the committee. we also hope the committee will encourage fcc to think about opening up the 12 gigahertz band for a variety of uses that

protect satellite opportunities but also greater mixed used to fully utilize that. finally, i think the committee can support sensing technologies and advances in forming capabilities that promote sharing as well. thank you for your consideration. sorry to go over time. >> i was going to say, your chair was looking lower as you are speaking. you are recognized for five minutess. >> republican leader latta and members of the subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity to testify. i'm pleased to represent htc and serve on the board of directors for the competitive cares association. hdc is information sluggish telecommunications cooperative. local subscribers and owners, we call them our members. for over 70 years, the leading communications provider for coastal south carolina.

i'm excited about the role future andace in our the efforts to bring the latest communication services to our members. the potential of wireless leservices including 5g and beyd is limitless, the key input needed to make that a reality spatial. sustainable predictable access, a finite resource. congress can support efforts to ensure all americans have access to the latest wireless services in three ways. first, extending spectrum authority. second, bringing additional plans of spectrum for license commercial use. third, making sure winning options can swiftly and efficiently with the resources to use to serve consumers. hdc was formed in 1952 and has

over 700 employees working to provide the latest services, over 100,000 local members would support local economic development and community and educational programs, even further hdc returns revenues earned back to members and cap credit, 153 million today. we work hard to meet the needs and provide high level ofan service to all of our members serving geographically and demographically stretching from urban destinations to rural firms. covid highlighted emergency access to broadband andht as a cooperative, made efforts to have conductivity and part of the response from installing communities and participating in the program, affordable productivity program. i think thiss committee for maintaining the importance generating for more communities.

[inaudible] while productivity is an important tool in our portfolio accessing spectrum. services -- [inaudible] especially where largerhe communities that provide services as well as more urban areas for larger companies with a lockdown. the spectrum needed to provide reliable wireless productivity is only available through license from the federal government typically obtained through spectrum options and secondary market transaction. options allow for things like smaller licenses which is critical for smaller companies like ours. continue to bring latest services in the market, we need to know additional spectrum will be made available and congress extends the spectrum auction authority.

this year's 2.5 gigahertz option or make special available in gaming access to this would provide interest confidence in our ability to make-- future daa needs of our subscribers and enhance our ability to compete. expansion of auction authority will ensure will have what's needed in the upcoming gigahertz option. we strongly encourage congress and fcc to maintain predictable sufficient supply to meet growing wireless demand including low, mid and high. any ways that allow smaller carriers. finally, while the fecho should make spectrum fans available for use, interagency special formation process should be improved. i think members of the committee for working to enhance and restore faith in the process including efforts of a

memorandum of understanding. in closing, 5g and other wireless technologies rapidly expanding improve access of everyday life. to ensure networks can expand and meet the demands of the next wireless frontier, greater access to spectrum is essential. thank you and i welcome. >> members of the subcommittee, thank you for inviting me toyo i provide a global perspective on spectrum policies to enable 5g next-generationm wi-fi and 60. i am responsible for intel's global policy efforts related to digital infrastructure including conductivity, 5g, wi-fi and 6g. a.i., ev and.b iot including smt cities and healthcare. i have extensive experience

working at the national regional and global level including the itu and radiocommunication conferences. intel is one of only three semiconductor manufacturers in the world using advanced mode. semiconductor products foundational to personal, cloud, quantum and high performance computing, a.i., iot, av is most important in today's hearing, 5g and wi-fi. 5g runs on intel, a leading silicon provider for infrastructure, intel is a leader in bluetooth technology solutions for the pc market. intel plays an active role throughout the wireless technology lifecycle developing wireless standards to enable infrastructure and use devices. in respect to pipelineor considerations, it is crucial to replenish the u.s. spectrum pipeline for mobile advanced

technologies, low, mid and high band to meet near-term and long-term deployment goals for consumers and a wide range of businesses. chairwoman rosen marshall recently stated for 6g we need to start planning now to identify spectrum in the 715 gigahertz range. high band and pans above 95 gigahertz as well as low fans. replenishing the pipeline requires not just deciding which to study but ensuring the timelv result of study and commercial availability of the spectrum including plants such as lower three gigahertz. making decisions on spectrum in a timely manner is crucial to enabling u.s. leadership role in wireless globally. for example, fec's decision to open the six gigahertz spectrum for wi-fi has been transformative with over 60 countries following the u.s. so what is a timely matter? to provide perspective, the itu

targeted completion of 5g high band spectrum process in november 2019. to enable commercialization, the intel team pleaded internal analysis of the status of availability as well as technical characteristics four years prior to that in september of 2015. fcc issued first report in order ssof making spectrum available over three years before the target date. ...st >> looking back at the previous

timeline the question i have is do we think the u.s. is on track to make spectrum available for 6g by around mid-2016? 26, sorry. you will get an extra ten t. unless we move rapidly now u.s. will not be in a position to take a leadership role to help define whichge spectrum ranges will be utilized globally for 6g. moving onto to the importance of interagency cooperation, coordination, ntia must be empowered to represent there federal agencies to ensure together with the sec that the nation's spectrum resources are managed in the public interest. additionally, extension of the fcc's spectrum auction authority will be important for continued u.s. broadband appointment efforts. finally, despite the crucial nature of semiconductors underpinning all of this technology, america's lost significant share of semiconductor production to asia over the last 30 years creating a 30% cost disadvantage for

chipmaking in the u.s. federal investment is urgently neededrt to reverse this erosin by leveling the playing field for america's semiconductor industry. congress took the first step by authorizing the chips for america act early last year and while intel is doing its part to invest in american technology leadership, congress must finish the job by conferencing the bills containing chips act funding essence possible. this investment will bolster ths u.s. semiconductor capacity that underpins the deployment of 5g g and other digital infrastructure. thank you for holding the hearing on this important topicn and look forward to working with the committee, the fcc, ntia and other federal agencies to ensure spectrum pipeline continues to flow to support u.s. broadband development and deployment. >> thank you very much. mr. bergmann, you are recognized for five minutes. >> chairman doyle, ranking member latta, members of the committee thank you for the opportunity to be with you and testify today. i'm scott bergmann and a map of

ctia and wireless industry i want to thank f you for your fos on creating smart spectrum policies 5g and our country future. in particular we commend the committee for its long-standing practice of identifying specific bands for the fcc to auction. for example, in the 2020 be china for 5g act and the rate bonds act of 2018, fueled by a remarkable record of investment, 5g wireless broadband networks are transforming the way that we live in work. 5g is helping to protect our planet. according to recent study, 5g will enable a 20% contribution towards carnations carbon emission reduction targets. helping the country to meet our climate change goals. now fixed wireless 5g with its expanded capabilities is helping to bridge the digital divide and bring competitive choice to the home broadband market. of course every benefit that we are experiencing with 5g b in te

u.s., expanding digital inclusion, job creation, smart cities and improvements in public safety, health care and ourt environment is predicated n the visibility of spectrum. with demand forty fixed and mobe 5g services increasing exponentially we need to free up additional spectrum especially licensed mid band. fcc chairwoman rosenworcel should be commended for moving quickly on the 3.45 gigahertz auction last year as directed by this committee and recent announcement of the 2.5 gigahertz auction is welcome sign. after this auction, spectrum pipeline goes into. in the meantime other nations understand that global leadership in wireless hinges on access to spectrum. leading nations are making available on average approximately 650 megahertz of license mid band more than twice what we have in the u.s. today. we are playing catch-up but with the right policies we can maintain our global wireless leadership. we offer to the committee today four recommendations to keep the u.s. as the global leader in wireless.

first, the fcc's auction authority is slated to expire in september. congressional congro ensure the agency auction and i licensed spectrum i will deliver 5g to u.s. consumers and businesses. auctions have proven to be the bedrock of 5g and u.s. mobile wireless networks. since 1993 when congress established our first in the world spectrum auction authority it has never allow that authority to lapse. on five occasions congress granted broad auction authority and in all but one a short-term one year extension it is used these opportunities to direct auctions a specific bands. ctia urges congress to do the same this year. it's in our national interest identify spectrum pipeline of bands that can be auction for exclusive license use. the lower three gigahertz band is a top priority. this band is adjacent to existing for our commercial spectrumum and offers the abiliy to provide large channels making it an ideal fit for congress.

for 5g. congress cannot take steps to streamline this access and we support the specter of innovation act which would enhance the process to bring that critical band auction. congress should take steps to identifyul and six are deadlines for future access to other mid band spectrum as well as low and high bands at the same time it extends auction authority. congress is longco leverage congressionally directed spectrum options account auctions to that of the key national priorities including deficit reduction and firstnet there we defer to the committee on an auction procedure be spent and welcome the opportunity to collaborate. we would note chairwoman rosenworcel risa propose using proceeds for in g 9/11 purposes. that's an important goal and worthy of all our support. prepared without clear pipeline, such an approach to provide a much-needed boost your nations 911 system and our wireless leadership. third, cgi support calls for national spectrum strategy which

can help to meet this challenge and provide guideposts for advancing u.s. 5g leadership. finally, there's much that we can do to revitalize unified government voice on spectrum management. while the us government spectrum process generally works well it broke down in the seabed debate. we commend the recent fcc ntia spectrum cornet initiative as an important first step. as a nation we can't and must do better. thank you again for the opportunity to testify and i ani look forward to t your question. >> thank you very much. ms. brown from your regular. >> thank you, chairman ranking member latta and members of the subcommittee. i'm here to provide you with our views on a future of wireless. thank you for the invitation to testify. cisco systems is a $49 billion global provider of ip-based networkingg equipment, , solutis and services located in san jose california. our customer base spans

enterprise customers, governments and service providers. in wireless cisco offersom wi-fi and private 5g solutions. spectrum is vital to all our customers. thanks to the leadership from congress, united states finds itself in thelf enviable positin of being a technology leader in both unlicensed and licensed technology. not only does this mean that u.s. consumers getet the best ad get it first but companies the mexican foreign see the u.s. as a place where advanced technologies are developed and deployed. wi-fi is a prime example of a a technology that has benefited from congressional and fcc leadership and here are three reasons that prove it. annual u.s. revenues for the sale of unlicensed devices f are approaching $100 billion annually while the total economic valley of wi-fi in the united states reach as much as 1.6 trillion by 25.

the dollars are baked with a number of devices is even larger. comcast reported last fall its customers are connecting delhi 1 billion devices on its network alone. in the 2018 mobile now act congress declared as matter of federal policy the fcc must revise or unlicensed spectrum. in 2020 the fcc opened 1200 megahertz of unlicensed spectrum in the six gigahertz band paving band paving the way for new six gigahertz generation of wi-fi. as broadband networks increase in speed, whether 5g, fixed or mobile, cable, fiber or satellite so too must wi-fi that operates at the edge. wi-fi is the most widely deployed spectrum technology in american business.s. 5g will soon become part of that enterprise story, and a cisco we are looking forward to enabling a convergence of wi-fi and 5g for our enterprise customers. for 6g the alliance for telecommunications industry solutions, the north american

standards organizationn has launched the next g alliance enabling the u.s. to develop a consensus vision of what it hopes 6g will uniquely accomplished. turning to the question of spectrum coordination, on government agency disagreements there is probably one unfortunate issue upon which we can all w agree. we have not found that happy place in spectrum policy decision-making where collaboration reigns over confrontation. while my written testimony contained several suggestions, here are two points that are most important first congress should make clear to ntia and to the executive branch generally that a once ntia to be the lead agency on spectrum matters. second, the recently revised fcc into a memorandum of understanding is an important development that we should all celebrate underscoring the importance of agencies working together. auction reauthorization congress has maintained fcc auction

authority since it was first adopted in 1993 and it should renew that authority this year as congress and the fcc continue to work on more spectrum for 5g and ultimately 6g. many continue to think of auctions as simply a budget reconciliation tool. it is true that over the decades auctions have amassed over $175 billion enabling spending on a variety of important public interest programs. however, thinking about auctions nailed it as a vehicle that puts cash into the federal budget atm misses the mark. far more important is the economic value measurable and hundreds of billions of dollars of contributions to the gdp created by the networks that have been billed as a result of auction. auction served other important purposes. in 2012 congress authorized the first and senate auction. this new form of auction provide a much-needed tool to the fcc as it he began its work of

transitioning spectrum s allocations from 20th century technologies to 21st century. in conclusion, , renewing auctin authority remains highly relevant to 5g and 60 networks. and senate auction authority is important to help us transition efficiently from old allocations to new ones. ntia needs to be deemed the lead agency on spectrum within the executive branch and spectrum policy should continue to enable the advanced of both unlicensed and licensed radio technology. thank you for the opportunity to testify. i look forward to your question. >> thank you very much. we have concluded opening statements. we'rein now going to move to member questions. each member will have five minutes to ask questions of our witnesses, and i would ask all my colleagues who i love dearly to adhere to the five-minute rule. lest you hear my gavel. i will start by recognizing myself for five minutes and try to set a good example. as we've heard from our witnesses today and as demonstrated by the strong

demand and recent auctions for wireless licenses, mid-band spectrum is vitally important for wireless connectivity. our bill, the spectrum innovation act, seeks to maximize the amount of spectrum available for consumer use in the 3.1-3.45 3.45 mid, primed spectrum. mr. guice, as an advocate for innovative and competitive spectrum usage, can you discuss how you see the spectrum innovation act producing greater utilization of theti band? >> i think it's a great question and act itself sort of sets out, like there are opportunities for licensing in this band and their opportunities for sharing. as we learned in the cprs process, if we engage with dod, we engage with ntia and the fcc we can structure a path forward that will result in more spectrum coming online for utilization than if we sort of lock ourselves into a camp on the spectrum. >> mr. bergmann t believe this legislation can help provide

consumers with greater access to 5g and other next-generation wireless technologies? >> chairman, thanks for the question. thank you for your focus on this legislation.n. absolutely. for 5g it's all about mid band and a lower three gigahertz band is an absolutely critical band. we appreciate your leadership with the spectrum innovation act which would speed access to this band, focus on having ntia and the fcc in the room. it's focus unlicensed spectrum, it's focus on a timeline for auction are all critical to moving this internationally harmonized key banta mark esper as spectrum usage increases and/or and we've become more crowded we are increasingly seeing confrontations between incumbents and new users including even new users in the neighboring spectrum bands. i'm glad to thers witnesses reinforce the importance of having federal government engaged in a coordinated spectrum management process. ms. brown, you discuss any testimony how we manage the

impact of new spectrum users on adjacent incumbent systems. could you expound on that and how that would shape the end-user and consumer experience? >> yes. thank you for the question. i think the way in which we have equipped our agencies to resolve new band adjacencies is not lending itself to a successful resolutionle of issues at this time. my observation about these issues, and it goes to see bands but also to transportation spectrum and elsewhere, is that the decisions are often challenged by userte communities who fear interference and who do not perceive that there's a voice in the decision-making process that addresses their concerns from their perspectives. so to be clear that user communities know a lot about their systems but the don't know a lot about spectrum sharing or adjacency. so we seen them striking a confrontational pose or a bit of a clavicle one. we need to think about new ways to put new dynamics into the

process that helps build consensus. in my testimony i suggested a a couple of things to explore. one is to put the ntia is boulder lab more front and center in the middle of these issues to help build engineering consent to do what the right answers are. another might be to give the fcc the authority to conduct independent engineering research which it doesn't really do today but with which other regulars in other parts of the world do. the payout of course is enormous because byut sharpening the toos that the regulars have and build a consensus, we can reduce the friction and we can get better use out of a our airwaves, which is a matter of interest to consumers but it's also a matter of nationalco competitiveness. n has been about domestic spectrum policy. what happens at the international level certainly can have a direct impact on what happens here at home.

for this reason i'd like to take the opportunity to mention the upcoming leadership election at the one international telecommunications union. i want to second what ranking member rodgers said the u.s. has nominated a well-qualified candidate as important as congress ended administration continue to advocate for her to be the next secretary-general. with these important considerations in mind and recognizing your experience within the international forum ms. stancavage i want to know how that impacts consumers and companies so we please share your thoughts with us and 10 seconds? or for i'm in big trouble with my colleagues. [laughter] thing that gets absolutely crucial mr. chairman. >> that's the right answer.

i yield back my time and recognize my good friend mr. latta for five minutes. >> thank you mr. chairman. mr. bergmann you point at your general authority to grant more licenses for the suspect from on september 30 this year however the fcc were gained authority to lower to a three gigahertz band in the jobs act. what's spectrum bands are in the pipeline how should we continue to make spectrum available for commercial use? >> thank you ranking member for that question. you hit onto the most important things for us which is authority and having a spectrum pipeline. her 30 years it's never been tried before so this is new ground and wing congress does

that they are really important tenets. the lower gigahertz band is critical for congress can work to get access to that band. there are other bands that are important as well. seven gigahertz band is something that ntia looked and we this committee to look at that in four gigahertz as the band is internationally. the focus really is high band right now. >> ms. brown as you may know i'm cochair of the wi-fi caucus. recently the ftc made a commitment in making spectrum available for wi-fi use. could you speak to how americans

use licensed and unlicensed spectrum and would expect to see in terms of licensed and unlicensed spectrum? and thank you for the question. the demand for anywhere less techality whether it's wi-fi or 5g continues to rise. wi-fi today and unlicensed spectrum represents more than half of all internet traffic because we are consuming most wireless traffic traffic and we are indoors wether it work or at home. that is not to say that 5g isn't important. it's vitally important and we are going to be using a lot more effort in the future. from a consumer that what we are going to see is more of an urgency of the two ecosystems as we go forward in one example of that would be the 6g offerings

that are in the marketplace where the traffic is the tua base station. in the home the connection to the devices are wi-fi. there are more examples coming in is more urgent and will benefit the american people. >> thank you very much. eight tc commercial serves -- could you speak about how you identify your >> from needs with the tube went five gigahertz >> from auction? >> thank you for the question. hdv made band spectrum is critical for us for propagation of speed unimportant for scalability for both rural in urban areas. the increase for broadband

continues to grow across the service area. >> ms. stancavage if energy credits the u.s. may not need taming 6g. >> thank you or question before you start i'd like to say we expected a good reception in ohio. we far exceeded that. >> we appreciate it. >> in terms of 6g it is really important or that describe the five-year gap where we intercept that with product development caps. when we look out to the 6g horizon i don't see the urgency that i think we need to have to

make sure we are in a position so anything we can do to initiate those discussions to make sure they happen in timely manner to make sure when we have those discussions the u.s. position to taken into account to coalesce with other countries around our position. >> the chair now recognizes the chairman of the full committee for five minutes. >> thank you chairman doyle. our airways should be used to advance fundamental free speech association and democracy. they use it to spread disinformation shut down free speech. it's important that the u.s. unlike in the country lead in the development of these technologies so that are public and just is at the center of any technological progress.

i want to ask you mr. guice how can we keep the public interest at the forefront of our spectrum policy? >> thank you chairman for that question. it is a critical aspect who we need to pursue the public interest has been the driver underneath our spectrum policy for decades focusing on ensuring that communities low-income communities and conducive color have the opportunity to get access and ensuring that technology is open so that we all have a right in the an ability to -- as we look forward to how we do that making certainly addressed digital equity concerns that you raised in your opening statement as important using auction revenues to advance that is important and it doesn't have to compete. i know number of numbers -- >> thank you and i wanted to ask

ms. stancavage coordination is the key so ntia and fcc spectrum coordination certainly helps improve things and we require legislation out of committee. my question to you is why a spectrum coordination important globally and how can we as a lead-in to box in the world leader in this effort and how will would having a spectrum strategy in place help? >> thank you for the question. in terms of making sure we are available in continuing those discussions the components that you need to do that are not readily available. and when you need those components if the u.s. doesn't

have bandwidth and the manufacturers are not aware of those would end up happening is what go into the boy and put the band of higher priority. if the u.s. wants to be a leader early action allows us to start that process. >> thank you and ms. brown and licensees of our airways are benefits and unlicensed airwaves help complete the homework as well as health care and other things. a recent report found that unlicensed spectrum contributes over $79 billion per year in economic value so with these benefits in mind what is the impact to consumers and innovators to free up additional

airways for unlicensed use? question and thank you for the question. let me elaborate on what my colleague said. consumers benefit when we can lead in spectrum allocation and lead in product development. for example in the recent band we were the ers country to adopt that unlicensed band and we now have over 200 pieces of equipment that have reviewed the certification process ranging from television sets access to laptop smartphones etc.. all of that is happening here first so we get the access to equipment and the innovation and innovative new uses of unlicensed and as we move forward we expecting to see a lot more deployment of augmented reality and virtual reality types of devices and not an

because we now have the room to spectrally support those new technologies so tremendously important. thank you. >> thank you for the yield back mr. chair. it the gentleman yields back for the chair recognizes the ranking member for five minutes. thank you mr. chairman. at our last hearing the nti administrator was concerned with the faa circumventing the management process and pressuring wireless carriers on their spectrum licenses after the auction had concluded that congress doesn't the fcc as an expert agency to make spectrum management decisions in the public interest and with the necessary authority to work through these types of concerns. mr. sub -- mr. bergmann how can we rebuild trust in this

process? >> thank you for the question. your focus is critical. a nearly universal if -- and it's really unfortunate because the fcc in ntia are experts and for an auction investing $80 billion to purchase the rights to use the spectrum and in the 13 tower rejections to that. that's a tremendous challenge that undermines that auction authority and our spectrum framework for making spectrum available. some of the things we think about our improving coordination and i've flawed chairwoman rosen will serve for their initiative. we had taken a group positive step in where courage coordination will has improved

and gotten more engineering focused. we need to make sure we returned to the race early and we plan for those concerned. the things we think about is as a whole of government approach where we don't just identify concerns that plan. they know 5g is a priority and we want to plan for that and of course it's all about making sure we benefit with 5g. $1.5 trillion new jobs so i think you and appreciate your focus on this and dashed this issue. >> ms. round for the last several years the committee is taking action to ensure communication networks are secure and to continue american leadership in the wireless industry. the united states has been the leader in identifying what

>> drum is coming down the pipeline. countries like china want to disrupt the leadership and offer different vision of their their spectrum in mind. what can we do to lead ashley? >> thank you for the question. i think we are a doing a way to keep doing more of it. this thing is a. example. we need to identify the spectrum pipeline to continue to advance our spectrum allocation in support of our largest technology ecosystem in wi-fi and 5g and leading into six g. and as result of that by taking action and building consensus here, we have enormous weight when we turn to face the international community. the. >> and i unlicensed unlicensed

space with the 680-hertz decision that the fcc made in 2020 where we have dozens and dozens of countries following the fcc lead. so moving quickly and paying attention to it getting to work done is very important and we need to keep doing more of it. >> thank you. ms. -- ms. stancavage reestablih america's mid-and initiative to identify and make me and spectrum than spectrum for 5g. as u.s. compared international counterparts in terms of spectrum availability and what areas are we thinking about mystically to better position the united states? >> thank you for the question. i would characterize it as different use cases and that's

happening -- it started leading markets and countries want to play a leadership role moving forward in the u.s. was the first in terms of the high band spread trombley made available. we then saw the international community at the world radio conference come together on which bands were going to be targeted globally and they are following the u.s. leads do we are expecting to see a lot more 5g deployment in countries. from a look at the bigger picture we have to also -- 5g is not a point in time. the standard was created and that will continue to evolve as we move towards 6gn that happens once make sure we have spectrum available in the near term so domestically we should be thinking about what we can put into the spectrum pipeline for the near term and also be

looking out over the longer term for 6gn how are we going to make sure that we have identified which spectrum may be viable in the u.s. and which ones are on the international international market so it's a near-term making sure we have the pipeline longer term. >> thank you and i yield back. senate the gentlelady yields back or the chair recognizes mr. mcnerney for five minutes. >> thank you chairman. this is important. i think the witnesses and ranking member in by cochair the wi-fi caucus and long advocated the strategy. how do we ensure the unlicensed spectrum is not overlooked and there's more availability >> thank you mr. mcnerney for the question. the main way to do it is to

recognize the successful way to it actually their spectrum policy is to make the right of access to regimes available as we look at spectrum bands. as as been noted here the seven gigahertz band is a. opportunity to expand on our unlicensed work until opening that hand up particular dalo for 125 megahertz could resend opportunities to advance not only wi-fi six. wi-fi seven keeping that access regime available is critical. >> this question goes to ms. brown. using ai has been identified by the alliance of the telecommunications industry.

how does that availability of licensed and unlicensed spectrum effect the united states ability to compete with other nations in ai? >> thank you for the question. it is widely expected that ai will be used in 60 networks to a far greater extent than it is today. it's artie is in the networks today but to a far greater extent. i think by leading and 60 in paying attention to the spectrum allocations and getting that work done in the prompt way is going to ensure that u.s. innovation will be first in these new 60 networks to come. this is another benefit of

paying attention to the spectrum allocation process and getting that work done as quickly as possible. thank you. >> thank you. ms. stancavage can ai be used to advance the term? >> most of the ai we see right now in terms of network performance to make sure the network is operating as well as it can be and we continue to improve it. to move forward towards edge computing and pushing the computer aspect of the end-user we will see increased ai applications and allowing the benefit of the connect to the width compute and ai to maximize the overall benefit.

>> what are some of the problems that ai can help address? >> mostly upon the network performance in the near term. i would not underscore what the applications will enable. when you can look at ai being able to for instance look at machine welds on the factory floor to make sure that the welds have been done correctly in a way that no person can see the images of the end-user application that ai will and courage when you buy connectivity and for the near term it's mostly in terms of network or formants and enhancing that overall performance. >> thank you. that's a viewpoint haven't thought of on parts on the factory floor. mr. bergmann china has implemented a -- mid-to upper

frequencies. how will american consumers and businesses be affected as other countries continued to innovate their spectrum while the u.s. lags? >> thank you so much for that question. 5g provides new extend capabilities from higher capacity to lower latency and what that enables is benefits enables us to address concerns about the digital divide. new services like 5g for homes. it enables us to address our nation's climate change tools as we integrate 5g into the highest emitting sectors in our economy. enables us to be a home for innovation by bringing topics like the one you are raising ai or virtual reality and innovation in those industries so that's why it's critical that we have from.

>> the omens -- the gentleman's time has expired for the chair now recognizes mr. top three for five minutes. >> thank you mr. chair. i appreciate the recognition i appreciate everybody being here today. we are pushing against the september 30 deadline and i'm the cochair with ms. matsui of the spectrum conference and i believe making more spectrum available is critical especially as 5g and other wireless to colleges are being deployed in the united states. my first question mr. todd how is making more spectrum available through commercial use altered their effort to close the digital divide? >> thank you for the question. as a corporative hdc is focused on serving all of our members equally in providing equal access. broadband expansion has allowed us to be of the expanded markets where larger tiers may not have

made broadband available so we've been able to see first-hand how urging the digital divide can improve opportunities in rural communities. we have seen old of hotspot in 20 centers to allow households without access to have access to broadband to come together and connect. for us it's all about the availability and usability of the spectrum to make sure as we continued to expand out folks have access as soon as they can to broadband. we have co-ops that extend broadband areas that are underserved as well. if your focus mostly on areas that are underserved by the population have the ability to go and recover their investment in our new -- are you focused on area student haven't necessarily been able to -- they leave them

unable to participate in different programs with the state federal funding programs to have access to grant an expanded in those areas and they have been very beneficial for us. >> thank you and then ms. round we have been working on legislation to reauthorize the fcc's outcome authorization authority and beyond the three gigahertz band in the five gigahertz band we continue to do our due diligence to determine what the national bands they be like for auction so my question is whether what are the benefits for congress preserving its authority to direct the fcc to conduct certain auctions? >> congress has played a leadership role for 30 years in identifying spectrum band and providing direction to the fcc about what should happen next. that is an invaluable policy

direction that really helps drive consensus across the fcc, ntia and other agencies. .. that bands spectrum. one of the o one of the early mid that auctions was cprs auction which as you know granted part of access to licenses to commercial users with coordination on the

department department of defense. we seen the 3.45 gigahertz auction that granted flexible use licenses. spectrum coordination is key for successful operations sharing regimes. i've introduced this part spectrum at which will require ntia to establish incumbent in forming capability system for sharing spectrum between federal and nonfederal users. what are some lessons learned from the previous auctions like cprs and 3.45 gigahertz that we need to take a defect as a look at the next spectrum? >> thank you, congressman guthrie. it's important we be thinking about all tools, that we have available to us to make more spectrum available and so we appreciate the focus there. i think for us when we think about spectrum access it's about certainty. our companies make investment os about $30 billion per year in

license access spectrum. having that certainty is critical. when we look at different spectrum sharing arrangements, one of the challenges the cprs framework is a complexity. it's more complex. we think about things like the power level second be used. and so for us i think the market tells the story. if you look at theou cbrs auctin and compare, in comparison to the sea been auction by above it are the 3.45 band right below you see the market valued that greater certainty that you had exclusive use spectrum. to a value of about four to one when you're just for the amount of spectrum. the reason is -- >> i think by time has expired so i yield back. he was about to gavel me. i heard him. >> thank you, mr. guthrie.

before we go h to the next question i want to recognize former chairman that just walked into the room, joe barton from the great state of texas and more important the republican manager of the congressional baseball team. still, to see you. [inaudible] >> that's why i love you so much, joe. [laughing] glad to have you here, mr. chairman. [inaudible] >> thank you. ms. clarke, you'll recognize for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman, and i think our ranking member for convening this importanthi here. thank you to our witnesses for the testimony and for joining us today. greetings to everyone. as that covid-19 pandemic has laid bare the need for successful connectivity in both urban and rural areas is critical for underserved and marginalized populations to stay connected to essential online

resources like education, remote learning, and employment, remote work, healthcare services, telehealth as well as narrowing the digital divide. many in the communities use devices to participate in the online activities such as virtual learning that often requires high-speed connections that are not always accessible and or available. the first question for mr. giese you've noted that the public interest need is necessary to fulfill the growing demand of the spectrum resources. when competing ideas for the interest are at play, how can we ensure the spectrum policy decisions made in the public interest do not further entrench an equitable spectrum access for historically underserved communities? >> representative, it's a great question and thank you for your

leadership now that we worked together on a number of efforts to ensure the communities get served. it's critical that we focus our policies on ensuring that we don't leave folks behind and we know the traditional get left behind. to advance the initiative, we suggested additional literacy as one way to reach those communities making certain that they have the skills and the tools necessary to get that access. we are looking at all the money the congress has put forth on a bipartisan basis to drive investment into these lower income communities and our rural and urban areas as a way to address that, and we are also looking at the authority that the fcc and congress gave on a bipartisan basis to look at the past digital discrimination to make sure that we bridge the gaps. >> quick question how do we create a maintenance of effort because often times we do these

one-shot deals then it wanes over time and these communities have been systemically discriminated against. how do we create within the dynamic before us the maintenance of effort? >> that is a great question as well. in the one context we have a universal service program that provides continued funding and in this context we should look at the option revenues. this is a source of funding that is pretty substantial where we could and now a foundation with some of these revenues, a portion and say to them here is your mission. make sure the community's needs are addressed and we focus the efforts. so we would love to work with your office on trying to bridge that. >> as a follow-up in the testimony you explain the revenue generated code to support public interest needs. that being said, should we also be looking at how we might spectrum reallocation and the

options themselves be constructed to promote the digital conclusion and increase access to the affordability of the 5g connectivity for unserved and underserved communities? >> yes. absolutely. that is the game here we need to make sure we are getting everybody, all americans connected in figuring out the tools that are most critical. as the world goes wireless, the use for the conductivity of the spectrum continue to increase rapidly. in recent years the u.s. has made enormous progress unleashing spectrum which has been allocated for both licensed and unlicensed use. in your testimony, you stated that the united states finds itself in the inevitable to the niv enviable in both licensed and unlicensed technology. as we replenish the pipeline is it critical that we use available spectrum bands as efficiently as possible,

recognizing that what considerations should the policy recognizing this what considerations should to the the policymakers take into account when evaluating the best method for allowing the new uses in the spectrum band. >> the short answer to the question is yes, we should. and i would point out by way of example the flexible spectrum licensing program, which allows the operators to continually upgrade and change out the technology they are using in the licensed spectrum that they have. that's a huge advantage that the united states has globally. not all regulators do it and we should encourage it. the chair recognizes mr. kinsinger for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chair man. i wish i could be there with you all soon and i appreciate all the witnesses for being here. we can all agree as most of us

have stated that the united states has a vested interest in being the world leader in 5g tech and service but it's safe to say the coordination of the spectrum policy which is absolutely vital to the efforts we have seen numerous disputes in the governmental and industrial and government to industry disputes and they've been embarrassing frankly. how can the u.s. expect to lead when it has to grapple with turf wars and government to work together to overcome the challenges and reauthorize spectrum.

first question with the demand for the spectrum reaching all-time highs, what does congress need to do to direct spectrum to 5g and 6g and what are the spectrum needs of the industry going to look like? >> thank you so much for the question, congressman. i think if i can answer both of your questions with one answer which is to say the key for the committee to focus on extending the fcc's authority is to find the set of spectrum bands because that's what is critical for advancing 5g and for addressing the coordination issues that you referenced. i mentioned earlier the fcc and the spectrum regulator experts this committee is the nations spectrum expert and we look for this committee to lead in terms of defining those options that plays a tremendous advantage in terms of moving quickly and also helps reduce some of those backend problems of coordination we've seen more recently.

>> adam, are you still with us? there he is. are you able to hear us? the wonders of modern technology. are you there? >> if you can hear me i yield back. >> the gentle man yields backend

of the chair recognizes for five minutes. >> mr. chair man, thank you very much. and as many of you know, like the rest of the country in the the areais experiencing a huge h and we want to make sure we are working to ensure the communities and communities of color across the points that we like to call it can benefit from these economic opportunities made possible as we explore the next wireless frontier and that brings me to my next question. can you elaborate how using a mix of regime's for the spectrum opportunities benefits low income communities and communities of color as new technology and conservatism emerge? >> thank you very much. a mix of access regime, what it

does is ensure that entrepreneurs, minority businesses have the opportunity to explore getting access to spectrum and spectrum technologies on unlicensed networks without a huge upfront payment on the acquisition. so it creates those kind of opportunities. in addition, here we have a policy given to it by this congress under section 309 that it should structure in a way that encourages the businesses to participate and as they look at structuring the options, we encourage them to think about how particularly in terms of spectrum service areas may hinder that capability or opportunity for women and minority owned businesses. so, we kind of pushed them and hope that you will push them but it is that a mix of access that entrepreneurs and innovators and the unlicensed space can obtain without having to go through the spectrum acquisition cost and

within the women-owned businesses that can't pursue opportunities in spectrum, the fcc should structure to encourage that participation. >> what can congress do to help prioritize that to make sure everyone who wants and needs to be connected has access to the next generation technology? >> congress took a substantial step in bringing connectivity to the communities. the end tia as it rolls the program out needs to be rigorous and ensure that the states are pursuing those opportunities where there are urban and rural divides that needed to be bridged. this is a once in a generation investment, and we are certainly encouraging them to make certain that through the mapping and other efforts they are targeting the communities with those investments.

>> as the government and industries work together to secure the next generation deployment, we should be very intentional about advocating in the public and creating a robust workforce pipeline. i wanted to ask you about the end -- in detail and the other cutting edge technology but also to recruit high school students and college students with diverse backgrounds to join the technology workforce. >> thank you for the question, congressman. so, intel take the workforce development very seriously. we have a variety of programs. in ohio for instance, we are as a part of our initiative making sure that we are doing the work

force development as a part of our ohio rollout, but in addition one of my colleagues is very active with ai where we are making sure that for the use it is really explaining the technology in helping. we also have programs at the community college level that we use and i believe that the first lady biden was just at one of the sites to look at that as well in arizona to see what we are doing in that perspective as well. so, we do have for college students and younger students and what we're doing with workforce because that is critical to make sure we are prepared now and over the longer term. >> thank you very much and with that, i will yield back. >> the gentle man yields back and now five minutes to my fellow pittsburgh pirates fan and a friend. >> thank you. we have the number three farm system in baseball there's no

question, and it's a bright future. i guarantee it, mr. chair man. in 2019, they unveiled of the idea of a national five-year spectrum plan. at that time i said this was a good idea to ensure the strategy among all agencies and federal partners to understand and achieve the goal. since then, there've been well-publicized instances that prove federal agencies are not on the same page when it comes to the strategy and in some ways this harmony is an embarrassment for the functioning government. in my research i found that the country of australia has maintained a five-year spectrum grandsons at >> at least 2017, the plan is updated annual biannually with

their successes, and a status report, which are then rolled into an updated five-year plan, the question is for mr. bergman, what would you say if the status of unified american strategy, whatme a minimum or what a minim or at minimum, should be included in the u.s. strategy spectrum and should be used australia spectrum plan as a model. >> thank you, your description on spectrum options and planning is critical that is definitely something that we canhi benefit from and incorporate here a national spectrum strategy the way to do that is to plan for options to have a pipeline of the spectrum is you can make sure that your to humorous relief valued as i talked a lot about this that when we look at the portfolio and that spectrum,

we see that government isd overrated, and access to two thirds of the spectrum and also the allocations between licensing andbe unlicensed about 1900 megahertz spectrum on the license and anywhere between 270 - 450, today for license spectrum. i thank you so really important that you make those kind of decision so that we have enough of the right assess coming to market and also get i would encourage the committee as our experts, you all can help with that spectrum pipeline when you guys consider the option authority provide some of thatt direction as well. >> thank you very much added one issue that have been pending the desk on, and i won't have the desk on this and just getting, but getting the m tia and the fcc to the memorandum of

understanding on this special coordination, this committee unanimously passed a bill, spectrum ordination act, he would do just that i appreciated, putting that on the agenda and i would love too see it get on the floor of the house of representatives. and prior to our last hearing, these two agencies let out a press release that they would be working on their own and mr. bergman, again, anything beyond the press release on the status of the update on francis going to bee have a timeline and updated agreement and we know what they are seeking to address to make this process better as a follow-up, again, we all know that intimately problems surrounding federal agencies the license and so let's go ahead and get the response from you

first. >> thank you so if you are absolutely right the coordination that we want them to attempt to certainly we support the legislation ever some of the mou forwarded thank you so critical that all agencies appreciate and recognize the goal that you talked about with the national spectrum strategy that we have both the mti and the fcc leading in the other agencies think about how do we support those goals we identify the concerns really we can plan for them not thank you so is there a better way to incorporate any federal agencies this year spectrum with adjacent spectrum as a pre- auction process and avoid these wonders without that as well what he thinks. >> i think that you have the processes intergovernmental coordination and if they were broke down this evening and i

need to have the recommitment to those ordination policies for the concerns and concerns are addressed a early and how quicky can we bring 5g home and into the rural areas and connecting them and pushing innovation in the u.s. i thank you so critical that we get up spectrum online in july and definitely encourage the oversight roll making sure the agencies are getting the feedback in as soon as possible. >> my time and i yield back and the next person is recognized for five minutes. >> thanknk you chairman i think you for convening today's hearing. i would like to start off with you and note that wire broadband services in rural communities, we found that it was critical to

ensure that we know what areas are served and what areas are not and that is why the house robinn did act would help improe how we collected data while our providers put up thean broad bad and as you know, the wireless providers and we want to make sure that we have an accurate map which areas and why is it important to get it right. >> thank you congressman and think you for the question and think you for your leadership on trying to secure support for t headlines so that we can get folks on low income communities connected and will continue the work of mapping questions are really good question went up when we talk about wireless mapping and is more difficult than a wire line map. unfortunately too often on maps have relied on sort of the theoretical propagation characteristics which leaves a

lot of communities and serve unserved about reported as her look at that grow out of 5g is also technology that is relying on cummings would be critical that we get that information correct because the opportunities to miss communities and urban sectors as well as communities in rural sectors, are just vastly increased swastika look at the actual technical opportunities but let's make certain that the crowdsourcing data that we present has an opportunity to challenge a map is available to the consumers as well two can be just a statewide effort and it can't be just a professional effort we need true crowdsourcing because the opportunity for these technology in these communities are great. >> tthank you, mr. bergman, i would like to talk to you aboutl the so-called last mile,

wouldn't they stand currently in terms of the assessment of wireless his last mile option for the rural communities and how do we ensure that they remain available as move forward with the options. >> thank you so much, was meant for the question and as we think about trying to meet our biggest challenges like connecting 100 percent of the population, is the right goal for this committee and i think is particularly well suited to make the connections so proud of the committee for the focus on technological neutrality and program and you all have adopted and we seen this programs like the emergency broadband benefit andd critical that two out of three consumers are choosing wireless my really excited because we think about six wireless per home broadband and we see already nationwide providers and regional providers

investing is six wireless and neck and tens of millions of people already in the right spectrum, they have plans to connect together over 200 million homes and is a critical part of the equation particularly that it would be deployed quickly in many cases deployed more affordably and it is going to bring choice into the home broadband market so we are very excited about 5g home for wireless and the priest that focus on making sure that we got the right spectrum to do that. >> thank you i think all of the witnesses and i'm going to give you a moment left and i yield back. >> thank you and the chair now recognizes my good friend bill johnson for five minutes. >> thank you mr. chairman, mr. todd, as cochair of the 5g caucus i am focus on finding additional spectrum opportunities or nationshe 5g

network can be swiftly deployed any pleased that fcc chair, recently announced that the fcc plans to start an auction for the 2.5 gigahertz band this july, this option will make your spectrum available for the 5g expansion,n, especially the rurl parts of the country but unfortunately, the fcc auction authority is set to u expire september 30, something like that has never happened to the fcc auction authority first enacted in the mid- 90s, please walk us through how this looming expiration by impact the expiration of the smaller carriers. >> thank you the question from a small. perspective not continuing with dinner our participation because we don't have the resources that the larger regional national providers have. >> okay mr. bergman, recently

the technical disagreement in the see man spectrum may national news and we all heard about it spectrum repurposing is becoming more difficult we need to ensure spectrum licensin systems provides certainty technology because we need to make sure the communicating and collaborating and fully cooperating to ensure safety issues are addressed without disrupting the auction process this event spectrum that it was option is nonfederal banning can you explain how the faa inserted itself into thent procs and whether they had a formal roll in the relocation process. >> thank you for the question and focus on the issue i think we can all agree that the process broke down this e-mail discussions cause unnecessary

frictions. we saw that when we see the rest of the world using it safely and well 5g and save my sense of i think that critical that we learn from this lesson and we have hundreds willing to invest tens of millions of dollars to all of the digital divide rig jobs, it's absolutely critical process happens smoothly anything the keys are making sure that there through agency input and they do have a process with a share proposed decisions and circulate those and challenge here is that some of those aviation s equipment it is outside of his band and 5g world, we stay in our lane and we were very focused on providing service in our lane and it's outside of his band so when i think about early - not

just raising concerns but how do we plan for the future so the technology upgrades happens more efficiently with this by comes back to the corporate, communicate and collaborate to cross agency to make sure that we address these questions up front and continuing with you mr. bergmann, the fcc was established by congress to be the authoritative it technical experts when it matters. >> and while the stakeholders did not like the outcome of that proceeding, with long-term impact in the public's trust in american see the federal agencies raising last-minute concerns after the auction and the concerns were already addressed by so-called expert agencies predict company market people trust overdoing if we miss something this big. >> i absolutely agree with you we saw unnecessary friction in the aviation industry and consumers and certainly in the

wireless world as well and we know that every six months delay in the 5g, cost us $25 billion in defense systems that we hope to achieve that's absolutely critical. >> you bad in my last question for you mr. bergmann alaska quickly, one of the biggest actions has ever conducted is the option of the event spectrum 100 megahertz of the 280 full has been made available to the remaining 180 megahertz, of the spectrum will made available in phase two of the transition tennis congress examines whether and how to extend the authority come the issue permits and what licenses, will be the impact to your industry unable to complete theo processing to the phase to licenses. >> is critical that we bring the spectrum, for space available july critical we move forward to

face to me now that is key to all of those benefits that 5g will bring to us. >> so you are awarere of and thk you. >> chairr now recognizes the net person for five minutes. >> thank you in central florida and throughout the nation americans rely on spectrum for the self-service internet social lmedia gps, and health and music that's why i'm so excited about the 5g rollout in this is a tremendous accomplishment, we know there was bouncing that had happened between sylvia and aviation those issues will continue to be resolved is key that we work together both of the cellular aviation and other areas as we go forward on see man concerns that's been around for four years especially represent central florida, tourism capitol with mature traffic. we have a to be able to do this because we work together public private partnerships and

government as well as private industries. that's why it's okay for us to do the same thing as we open up new spectrum for options is why we are here today to make sure that we educate the market people white a is key to extend the fcc option authority currently sent to expire on symptom or 30, this year and what is a state particular ismitment spectrum which good signal ranged i'm better endorse the helps with increase faster speeds so many things that are key to make sure that we have that crisp cell phone connection. so we continue to work togetherw as we marched hundred march through 6g next, for those who are discussing up with 5g, artificial intelligence virtual reality machine learning and other technological advances, critical on the right economy

national security finance entertainment and so many others and i'm glad o it was brought before about the american meat act that's included in their, all of this together without the supply for the cell phone under found its only other technological advances and we will be able to let this happen. so i'm hopeful with infrastructure on the budget this committee and the congress will come together to pass the american meat act which is putting it we are excited to bring the microbes in florida under florida and we will keep going on that i'm also concerned about commercial spaceflight and streamlining telling medications with regards to a rocket to go up literally every week multipla times by space x and others and finance of course and that is something that we look forward to the longer discussion on the future but for now, we do is critical for the fcc and mca to

work together to t develop and position on international spectrum issues. one global organization and best position to capitalize the next generation of wireless technology offers and three, timely commercialization of the product for the u.s. market and why is it important to u.s. economic and security interest the leadership roll in engaging in the national community spectrum policy. >> thank you for the question, it is absolutely critical as i described, we have to be in the process to make sure that we have a component around it so that we are able to intercept the product investment cycle to make sure there is timely action if ministry for licensing unlicensed technology in the u.s. does quickly what we see is u.s. - equipment to support

those that were able to provide that equipment and then able to capitalize on the economy scale when other countries do as well so rather waiting at the back of the queue, b we are at the front of the queue in the we are able to make sure we have the equipment anymore cost-effective manner. >> if iec can so many issues is critical for americans to leave and i appreciate that mr. bergen, much of that man to spectrum whether government agenciesnm and obviously will he a careful balance of your regulations on how we can determine if what spectrum the government needs and what can be reallocated. >> thank you and you're absolutely right, federal government is overrated and spectrum portfolio absolutely important issues that the key is to ways to be more efficient and spectrum use in the commercial wireless, we have strong incentives, constantly new generations of technology in a more efficient especially when

we increase it by 42 times the last ten years and the efficiency in the center no voice exists so we need to find a way to make them work and more efficient so they can do their important missions and the spectrum for commercial use. >> my time has expired the chair now wreck a lot and recognizes the next person for five minutes. >> all right really got around here come up hey hey beautiful day for nokia and you all know that it never rains when an auction it, cool breeze about 4e today selling the food gigahertz and we had credit preapproved and everything so everyone is free to bid out well, authorized 25 million hit 25 and everybody get 15 and $10 billion, five giga come on now, and $6 million

level pretty 13,000,014,000,000. [inaudible]. to the chairman, b at 13 billio, you will pay your bill at the door before you leave, that would be greatly appreciated it and folks, i have 31 year career as an auctioneer before coming to congress so i know a little bit about auctions and this is the place where things happen is transparent it is fair and all equal to everyone and everyone is free to be an auctioneer expected benefits the american taxpayer and federal government infected has the potential to raise significant funds you just witnessed, 13 billion for the van is u.s. treasury and for the congressional priority such as rural broadband prize like my district in southwest missouri. it's important for for the fcc option authority tohe be extendd with languageut required some fc

auctions even for a short term now switching gears, mismanagement like to ask you an implication by federal agency the fcc, is required to option spectrum in the lower three gigahertz band within the next sevenn years as needy and cia looks to predict will relocated the federal systems or to find a technical solution it to sherry what is the viability visibility the broadband range spectrum assignments and their use and how important it is and him cia gets his information. >> thank you for the question is critically important that they get the information up about federal use that man because three gigahertz is the most important 5g and not just to the united states but in the world because you get put to work immediately to deliver 5g services had so i think that one of the things that the spectrum

nation act as well, is it does give a timeline for them to make up the risein but also gives thm flexibility in the decision-making depending upon what they find a man whether i can i be moved or changed or modified or whether it needs to stay put. i think congress is on the right track. >> and i will go to the next person and tenure, the fcc started the spectrum horizons seedings to say, and how to unleash nations on new technology about 95 nick entered how do you envision the future of these frequencies being used and how doesei the rest of the world look at possible uses for this spectrum. >> thank you for the question so basically, when we look at this without the capabilities enabled is when you look at 40 which very human centric what you did

on your phone, with meiji, we have added reliable computing and also for maximum machine brought oit in this extra capabilities are enabling the businesses to get the same types of benefits now as we move into 60, there is research and development going on for some of those that would require very very large bandwidth at a very short range which consistent with man's things like positioning and very high accurate positioning and uses and so when to take advantage of the capabilities of the technology that printed is able to be deployed so there is definite interest in a lot of different research areas look at those. >> okay i think it i just want to make it out that if it is up bringing less than 13 billion, they should hire me as her auctioneer next time it to be auctioneer did by five minutes of two half minutes so i yield

back. >> i think the gentleman and i'm going to need an installment plan. [laughter] now the chernow recognizes the next person for five minutes. >> thank you mr. chairman and i appreciate that in this the future of the nation spectrum and allocation in the market leadership in this frontier, i want to recognize this while making morean of this spectrum available is important for american leadership in 5g deployments, and also critical for closing this divided by entered in rural america in the spectrum decisions made hopefully it ise done by september, and in december, made here in dc, have potential to invest improve the conductivity in arizona and across rural america.

spectrum, unlocking the potential of a broadband in rural america and indian country brought a it's the lifeblood of the 21st century. and it critical to an economic development to help telehealth and education in rural areas and entering a rural and tribal communities and providers of serving them access to the spectrum necessary is essential to closing the digital divide and making sure the rural schools, are not the behind in these past options most recent 2.5 gigahertz, the fcc created a tribal priority window so that the spectrum can be allocated to ensure eligible federally recognized federal government as well as tribal communications dividers pretty we were able to their communities. this presented in mock opportunity to the tribal

nations to gain access to spectrum and to better serve their communities. i know you're working with tribal nations including the indian communities in southern part of my district and can you discuss what else should be considering to make sure these communities can get these services. >> thank you congressman for the question and it was an honor to serve for the years in which i did and what it did give me was an awareness that was just how difficult the challenges bridging the divide and our tribal communities. congress can do is what you did, promote the opportunity for the tribal windows when spectrum becomes available to make certain there is sufficient time for those travel communities to apply for that window so we appreciate your leadership of that so as congress looks at

spectrum opportunities, to recognize the sovereignty of our bible nations and that means that they should have some input into the destiny of the spectrum the rents over their lands so that sort of what their window is in its created and as we move forward, we think that is a good policy for the fcc to look through and in addition they look at tribal opening credits and how to reform those to better utilize them as well as the segregation of spectrumio license areas of the tribal communities to build a network the land for a date where the provider has the area of the will to build. so look forward to working with your office on these issues and advocate for tribal communities to make sure that they have affordable access because as you know, some of the least served communities in the country. >> thank you in the fcc brought

broadband radio service more than 200 to bidders and went over 20000 licenses including many like wireless internet service providers and the tribes and so why are so many bidders were able to have the options what lessons can we learn from it and how can we ensure the rural providers are able to be meaningful to reduce and participate in the auctions. >> thank you for the question. >> is a provider and having access to smaller - is critical for small providers to be able to participate in the auction is a mentioned earlier, i'm is a small provider we have the resources i would expect it to be a similar situation further providers as well and where we don't have the resources that larger providers have, to participate on a larger scale as well as larger sizes of spectrum

it's over us, having usable that's available and the equipment that we can roll out, additional with any competition in those areas. >> your time is expired chernow recognizes mr. carter for five minutes. >> thank you chairman and thank you to all of the witnesses were being here today, i'm going to start with you, through the pandemic it, as we although, america's rely on wi-fi work school and many other things and in fact will bring i was reading about the other day this is the average teenager is on the internet five hours a day more during the pandemic than they were before, is unbelievable to me that is true. the work on the internet so much

what iin wanted to ask you is it plays a crucial roll enabling wi-fi technology and under the last administration the fcc that the unlicensed spectrum available to the commercial use to think it will be enough to keep up with all of the new data risk applications that americans use today. all is on the internets, we as a virtually and you think that will be enough to accommodate all of us. >> thank you for the question predict long term, probably full be enough but i think for the immediate term, industry is rolling out new technology on the six gigahertz band and we are looking forward in a couple of years to second-generation technology technology coming ofinto those - wi-fi seven, will

be coming our way in about two years. and without setting, then amanda continues to go up and we expect it will with the technologies, and overtime we do need to look for other opportunities including perhaps spectrum of the very low end of the seven gigahertz range or the places where we could expand wi-fi technology. >> okay let me ask you another question, little-known research and engineering and cia a boulder colorado i believe this is been under unified given the level of expertise they have and so recently entered and introducedi a bill for tele- communications and scientists act pretty in this bill would give the statutory authority to continue his work with the focus on the staff initiative to

support the development of emergency communication and tracking technologies with conventional communications is limited and would you elaborate on what makes the people in boulder so uniquely positioned in the spectrum technology. >> yes and thank you, the boulder lab is national treasure and it is the place where radioe was invented in world war ii in a long and distinguished career in spectrum sciences. and i think as innovations like yorkville, that would enable the lab to work on commercial issues around sharing and adjacencies wouldnd be welcomed and it struk me as astonishing that we got so far down the road in the see man state and without actually having facts on the ground about what the good it could not do in the degree to which interference

might arise and was not actually until this fall thatn' we startd to see facts pop out and that and i know this week there was an article nor the national magazines or newspapers about boulder getting involved in measurements using funding deity funding so yes, more flexibility and more funding for that lab when i think really help us with mitigating it the kinds of issues we haveum seen in spectrm elevations. >> thank you and appreciate it had the privilege of - it includes and also includes a lot of rural areas getting broadband in those parts ofof the state is important to recognition for number of reasons, learning entertainment whatever and understand the of 5g is more than just local, there wille be a fixed component to that that is

remembers will have the broadband services with 5g and would you tell me what it mean for rural americans, will they have access broadband services. >> yes and thank youou for the focus on six wireless for the 5g homes, they can actually key growth area in our companyat national regional are all investing in this new see them covering tens of millions of homes today and together they will cover over 200 million homes for the next couple of years. you all just made an enormous investment to make sure that everybody is connected to $40 million to the infrastructure legislation is six wireless can pay and play a key roll in going faster providing the full complement of services. and they can provide 100 megabits down and up and really key for connecting everyone faster more cheaply and be

competitive choice to the broadband market. >> thank youd mr. bennett chair and i yield back. >> the chair recognizes congresswoman rice, for five minutes. >> thank you, i want to thank my colleague raising the issue of the importance of the fcc in - i think it's important that everybody is acknowledge that maybe it is not what needs to be and i think that's important to the government and industry working together has led the u.s. to be the global leader in new and emerging wireless technology we were the first nation with widespread 40 coverage leading to callous innovations here in theea u.s. including the development of the app economy now with the emergence of 5g next generation of wi-fi capabilities the u.s. can build obvious leadership and

grow our economy and be in the forefront of technological innovation for the good of the communities everywhere and you mentioned the importance of coordinated efforts and it seems that we have the dispute involved in the parties in question the finality of the fcc's decisions and how can congress ensure that parties interested in this band are able to have their voices heard early in the process of the same time allow fcc to reach a final decision that everyone can count on making investments in developingha these decisions. >> thank you so much, that is a great question and you know is is committee and chairman and ranking member highlighted reinforcing that inner agency process and insisting on having followed is the best step in the oversight of this committee on the process, is extremely helpful in producing that finality so encourages committee

to stay active on that with membersti around congress there quite often approached by private entities on behalf of so that federal agencies that they regulate to get involved in this process. so was a difficult one to fix and that said it is a public process thatre is run these entities and the government agencies, they should all participate fully in bringingha fellows information as to the record so that we can make an evidence-based decision and i think she testified that it is a sad fact that at the end of the process, in fact after the process was done, we learned that they we these concerns in the c-band and that is just inexcusable there was an opportunity for the public record and for data to be submitted to take into account those concerns and soon that sot of how we fix it, we have to insist on not i only that public participation in but at the endh when the decision has been made

with coordination of the spectrum auctions, that that finality is insistent upon there's given no quarter for those voices they come in after the fact to try to stop it. >> misprint can you explain how this use over spectrum of delay of new technology. >> yes and probably the principal case of the delay involves the transportation spectrum at the top end of the five gigahertz band which has lingered now some years in the fcc a few years ago, couple of years ago had decided that some of the spectrum should be made available for wi-fi and cut back the amount of transportation spectrum that continues to be disputed by the transportation industry which would like more spectrum available for

communication networking of vehicles on the road for safety purposes etc. in this prime case with the user community the transportation sector and the fcc, had different visions for the same spectrum that were around for a case that will be resolved soon that will tell us what the future of that band is and i certainly hope that once that's resolved in the fcc's favor, that the fcc can probably go forward the dot can probably go forward with implementing transportation solutions in the spectrum that is left for the its. >> thank you and thank you to all the witnesses and i yield back. >> the chair recognizes congresswoman for five minutes.

>> thank you rolling this hearing. let me begin by addressing something to mr. bergmann, i thought that mr. carter asked a very good question and i was very anxious to hear your answer but i did not hear it and the most recent annual test that verizon and at&t 5g speeds and several cities are comparable for sometimes even slower than a four g and to make matters worse, consumer sometimes have to pay more for 5g by upgrading their devices to the plans and i do understand it there are reasons that the speeds are not optimal yet relative to 5g but is practiced, the faster speeds

and yes i did watch the super bowl along with millions of others and one ad after another about complete 5g across the country. and all of thathe advertisement, they charge you for it while delivering speeds, it seems to me like a highly misleading practice to me so my question is simple, why are americans paying more for slower wireless speeds and if you could just you know condenser answer. >> absolutely, i think you for the question congresswoman and glenn had a chance to answer it. >> thank you for saying thank questions. >> so i would highlight a couple of things, one will continue to see the wireless speeds go up year after year and there are any five times is 2010, three or 60 percent since 2018.

>> 2010, that was 12 years2 ago so i don't know, will did you ask this, did you read this article. >> i've not seen this article but i know the fees go up year after year after year. andea so, it is critical that consumers get accurate information about whether getting and i would agree with you so were incredibly excited about advancements and speed that we see from competition and increasing value received for the consumers. >> i appreciate your words about they really don't well not answering the question that i posed, heavy advertising but was being advertised is not sold and

it can be documented that is not so and consumers are being told that well we have are times he is misleading and i understand what you do not want to acknowledge it because it's uncomfortable to but i think that the problem remains and going to the next person, i appreciate your view that congress should ensure that spectrum proceeds are obviously using the public interest one of the issues that have been on for, oh my goodness, decade and a half, is next june 911, and is there anyone in the panel to thinkk that 911, should not be part of the proceeds of future

options, is there anyone it is nothing that. >> and just to remind everyone, this is our public safety system pretty and i think that once and for all, we really need to address this and make sure to make sure that every community whether they are rural, suburban, urban, that we have a solid system for law enforcement and for firefighters and we owe that to the american people, the dial 911 and they needed some answers so i really look forward to making sure these funds are parts of those funds actually go to 911 and it's a nice to meet with so many members and witnesses talking about the advices in for a long long time.

i just want to highlight that is a delight that everyone knows especially the members of the value unlicensed because it is the innovation. >> the gentle ladies time has expired and i think the gentle lady and mr. curtis, welcome and you have five minutes. >> thank you i'm just going to climb up on it so boxer have a second then i will ask questions in dealing with a roll out of c-band and the concerns and i think we all understand the stakeholders need to be involved and doing that up in the front end, it just feels like were really going to feed our competitors and we got be better game than that and help let me climb off the soapbox and talk about my district for just a little bit, limited very rural district i like to let my

calling to say they have rural, you would like to see real roll coming up to have three hours without seeing a structure is my definition in a semi- district he semi vast amount of rural parts w of utah navajo indian reservation end i just want to touch that for a second that currently indian tribes has been given priority in that spectrum, the roll out hand i'm glad, would god help these good people imagine have some people without running water or electricity than loan broadband and parse my district we all know i think the intention is to eventually auction and we talked about this and how important the options are animal little concerned that this issues that gotta be a delay the tribal nations and then separately delay the arches so mr. bruggeman, the supply chain issues, do we expect these

to build out in the tribal lands and what challenges do you see. >> thank you and you're absolutely right on the challenge i think are unique and incredibly difficult and it's part of that and i would encourage the committee to move forward with extending the auction authority and prettily when you think about the challenges certainly the supply chain issues are felt broadly and i encourage you to think about things that we can do their. we need to be creative in the funding this committee made available through the infrastructure, played a key roll and we need to think about things like how do we make sure we go faster on federal land is held tribes move more quickly so it really is and all above approach to the tribal areas. >> could you comment on the delay of the options and if that happens, will expire move that

do. >> about 30 years of fcc auction authority we've never had that so it's really critical to have auction authority and were heading into auction because we want the citizens to have certainty so they know they'll be able to use those licenses that they are stepping up to invest in. >> so you're telling me don't wait. >> with we definitely make sure that that option is our. >> okay so the me ask you about national spectrum strategy, good option and if so, how do we or which agencies and things like that and walk us through how we do that successfully. >> absolutely and i think they play a key roll you heard today the challenges of spectrum coordinations recently. we need to have agencies coordinating and sharing data we need the fcc and the ci mci a in front of it and this committee to take a roll as well because you will recognize the

importance of spectrum in helping make sure there spectrum policies reflect our national priorities. >> can you touch on balancing commercial government interest. >> absolutely, prettily with the spectrum, the key ingredient for 5g, port folio with the spectrums overweighted towards government and we know that the u.s. government is a primary user of advanced spectrum, two thirds of the frequencies and need to find ways to be more efficient to get those federal government missions done making more spectrum available for 5g. >> this been incredible the innovation that is come about how spectrum man investments. >> tens of billions of dollars are invested every year and new generations of technology to be more efficient we need to make sure doing the same thing on the government side as well. >> thank you predict the u.s. prepares for the next radio commission's conference will congress be supportive or how can they be and how do we

continue to show american leadership. >> thank you for the question and i think the most important thing that the u.s. is early identifying early, and then following through into the commercialization process so that it isci very clear where we are going with this and anything the congress can do to support in terms of identifying spectrum early, and opportunities in making sure that it follows through his work on the. >> i yieldxp back. >> the next person is recognized for five minutes. >> thank you very much mr. chairman and as cochair of the congressional caucus along with others i want to thank you for holiness important hearing. in spectrum governments fundamental price of getting competitive edge in the 21st century and in the five

districts and other broadband is important in the federal government moving us forward. i'm a question regarding spectrums pipeline to ensure that the united states remains global better and the technology and that's a viable pipeline that spectrum is needed so we have an opportunity coming up in the band and beyond that, it becomes clear and i believe seven gigahertz, presents a meaningful opportunity to keep her pipeline strong however, giving the next users an event we need to do this carefully with the whole of government approach and that is why is necessary for the administrative is urging him to commit to finishing the study with the seven gigahertz.

can you describe the characteristics of the seven gigahertz and to the core commercial issues. >> thank you for your leadership on this victim issues, you have really been a great asset for everybody to have on these issues. i would say this is another example where the mixed regimes will be beneficial to the outcome and what we learn in cprs was that based on the coordination of our period of years, four - five years, of coordination and hearing the agencies out and working through the dia in the fcc interagency process and only after that predict hearing folks and really taking in thero perspective if e get to a situation where we could utilize most of that band seven gigahertz very sensitive military systems and real need the dod to have this was hard

through the mti a process handling by doing that can we really utilize the full potential and like i indicated i think the lower seven gigahertz, is a real opportunity for unlicensed step but we did see there might be licensed opportunities but i think it only by going in without sort of open mind for a variety of access regimes, and get the federal agencies really focus on what the realm of the possible is for that bad. >> mr. bruggeman do you have more comments on that. >> thank you and we appreciate your leadership and thank you for your letter today on focusing on the seven gigahertz band and we have talked a lot about the importance of this man and seven gigahertz band is important, 1300 megahertz as you rdheard, there's important systs there but also opportunities to be more efficient with howie we use that spectrum and we would

certainly encourage and follow your lead in terms of asking our federal government policymakers to look at how we can make some of the spectrum available and we know that spectrum has been understudy since 2019 and their real opportunities there for license spectrums sopp thank you for your leadership and that we would have to continue working with you to see that it is spectrum pipeline. >> certainly a thank you in september of this year the option is set to expire pretty and say with the other countries in five tv on this authority can and should be bipartisan would indicate the next two . five gigahertz option and to have a this as soon as possible. do you believe, the auction

revenue by tying it to the investments, after 911, would be 911 in useful ways to help modernize americans communications infrastructure. >> yes, over the last decade, what we have seen is that auction revenues can be substantial and they should be put to use commands or public interest needs and 911, that is a critical need and congress has look at providing the funding as part of the eye gia printed fortunately did not get there so if the medias auction revenues to do that let's do it and also equity digital equity.nk >> okay at how can we expand auction authority quickly and successfully to . five option anything about a time but maybe you could talk for the 52nd. >> also quickly options are the bedrock of our mobile network including 5g and bidders

nocturnes need to have certainty about getting access to this become so getting that auction authority is critical. >> your time is expired and the gentleman in the chair recognizes congressman welch for five minutes. >> peter, can you hear us. i can see his video but i don't think he can hear us. >> hi. >> okay peter you have five minutes. >> thank you, i am sketchy in and out internet so if i go off, you know what to do. i would question similar, i would ask, do you agree with chairwoman proposal to use the

auction proceeds to find the energy of 911 deployment deployment is a rush precedents for allocating options proceeds to fund the public-interest projects like that. >> thank you we do supportive i think that it could be a nice complement to our drive to make sure the auction revenues are being used for public interest needs as opposed to to the general treasury and leaving the sector and so yes 911 for sure there is under back in 2012, the congress designated auction revenues to come from that network. >> can you hear us peter. >> i can mr. chairman benedict is sketchy so i am going to i

yield back there is constant video issues on my behalf. >> okay, the gentleman yields back in the chair recognizes congressman for five minutes. >> thank you very much and ranking member and for holding this important and i thank you so really important for people to understand that what we are talking about is what's invisible to the american people but at the same time, as you hear these experts today, is incredibly critical for not only the education and the health of people across america, and so with that i would like to ask,ik wi-fi is most heavily used technology the world has more the u.s. consumers and businesses relyy on it both more now than ever before and what

actions can congress and the administration take to continue advancing the development of wi-fi here in the united states. >> thank you. it is important that we continue to provide spectrum opportunities or wi-fi and it is thank youou connection point as ms. brown recognizes and whether you are on a 5g network were six network, if you are in your home, likely going through wi-fi network. .. what's the next that the fcc should consider?

>> thank you, i think the opportunity is in the seven gigahertz band, adjacent to what's going on six and give us the opportunity to take 180 gigahertz channel and increase 360 megahertz which will be critical for wi-fi seven we look forward to that is a real opportunity. >> what should we expect to do to make sure rural communities and communities of color, travel plans and etc. don't fall behind on current and future wi-fi technologies as they become available? >> it's a great opportunity for the committee to look at a mix of policies to promote. we can talk about digital literacy make certain low income and communities of color have

the skills and tools necessary to make the connection to broadband the wireless. i think for travel communities and priority windows is a critical step in recognition of their sovereignty. making certainly understand where service is and is not available is critical. in 5g space, making certainly have crowd sourced data to ensure the cells operating in 5g are delivering 5g technology deliver to rural and urban corridors so the communities have opportunity for the access. >> a true public-private partnership to make sure we don't leave people behind. >> absolutely. that will be critical, communities that are portable and highly dependent on government making certain their

needs are represented policy. they don't have the capability for larger companies so it's incumbent upon members like you to represent. >> is there a battle of the bands going on when it comes to public safety and etc.? i know it was mentioned more than once in the department of defense having a large segment within their purview. >> the government needs the spectrum it needs and we want to be respectful of that but we believe with others on the panel that there can be more efficient spectrum for keith will be working through collaborative process for agencies in the direction of the committee, certain fans of spectrums that a need to be sought is coming online for commercialization and opportunities but if we approach it in the cooperative spirit and

listen to their concerns, i think we have realn opportunity to more efficient to accommodate needs. license or a government agency needs to stay, sharing, open access spectrum opportunity, that needs to be on the table and feel comfortable and they will be respected. >> thank you and i yield back. >> i think we've gone through our committee members and i see my good fellow and pennsylvania is waiting on. i guilty of five minutes. >> thank you, another pennsylvania. thank you for allowing me to wait onto this important communication technology subcommittee hearing. thanks to the witnesses working here with us today. spectrum is vital ensuring productivity for all americans especially constituents in my district in pennsylvania. how would you have a national

spectrum strategy or certainty about what sec construction help increase participation by regional providers like htc. >> thank you for the question. for acc having a plan allows us to better procure and understanding what spectrum would be allowed to support the areas we serve. faster expansion of access to areas that meets this. that expansion to access is so important within my district, my constituent look forward to this being present. wireless carriers utilize low, mid and high fan spectrum in different ways but recent focus placed on making mid band spectrum available, should congress think about various spectrum bands as we consider how best to keep it full?

>> thank you, that is exactly right. 5g on the spectrum from a fleet urged the committee to move forward with directed auction to create a pipeline for 5g and 6g. there bands with talked about a little bit, seven gigahertz, all of these provide the capacity and coverage we need to make surean we can connect everyone d continue to lead in innovation. how do they utilize spectrum across various bands to serve constituents like mine and rural america and out of gettysburg, bedford and fulton and huntington county, how does it look to achieve that. >> i definitely can't speak to the areas of pennsylvania who serve but in rural communities

in our service area we look at additional spectrum that needs to be able to expand access specifically for us, hotspots and mobility are essential. we have areas where technicians are unable to connect wirelessly in certain areas using wired fiber facilities to complete orders but we needs mobility to access and communicate back to ensure sufficient operation. moving forward, it allows us to provide reliable access and serve more. >> chair announced fcc corporation against option of additional plants this summer, what benefits specifically for rural american produced additional auctions made available? >> thank you again. first, essential for this to be

rolled out. in our opinion, having availability and capacity for additional bandwidth is essential to achieve this. >> again, i'd like to think the witnesses for your participation here today. i'd like to thank sheriff doyle for allowing me to waive on to this important hearing. thank you and i yelled. >> thank you. gentlemen yelled back. we do g have one more committee member whose come on. i yelled five minutes into congresswoman kelly. doylenk you, chairman fourth think of parents that i. as we have seen recently, they suddenly are top of mind and it's my hope the renewed commitment of cooperation including of the upcoming and tia ftc will help ensure around spectrum usage in the future. if 5g continues for 6g and

beyond, it's important u.s. maintains leadership in deploying advanced technology the government and private sector must work closely to align specifications and investments quick and robust options nationwide. your testimony you spoke on switch spectrum bands might be available across the leadership, can you walk us through this is a need to be made at the national so company like intel can't invest to support future generations of wi-fi, 5g and wireless technology? >> thank you for thehe question. when we look through the process, we look at determining spectrum band coming online, we

need the components available as well, radios and filters and etc. what we try to do is make sure we understand the international environment, where markets are, typically the u.s. has been in the front of that of identifying spectrum bands and we are able to take it and determine when we would need to intercept on the type line. when we lookel back at 5g, we completed our analysis and starting to intercept product timelines in september 2015 for decision the international community did not make until november of 2019. it gives you a sense of how long it takes to make sure have everything in place to support what will be needed for our global economy at scale and we look forward to making sure the u.s. is able to be in a place to do something similar.

>> thank you. ms. brown, do you have anything to add on personal consistent u.s. leadership on spectrum issues to a company like this? >> thank you very much. having spoke about the importance of identifying spectrum plans early so industry can plan and have equipment available from outside of this process, for example and unlicensed spectrum, u.s. leadership plays a crucial role in we've seen the last two years since ftc opened up gigahertz band encompasses direction from the global now act, countries are following suit self this is due to thehe fact the ftc was te first mover and peoplee are paying attention and wanting the same innovation and their

economies we are getting here so an important issue to pay attention to and thank you for the question. >> it safe to assume, thank you, consumers and businesses will only connect work devices and use more data in the future so we need to prepare now for that so the network can support this dramatic increase in demand. understand we need to make more spectrum available for licensed and unlicensed for the anticipated network demands. what you believe are the spectrum bands to allow for rapid deployment of this technology. >> thank you, this is getting for 2.5 action across the finish line so we need auction reauthorization to get back done. the panel is in agreement the lower three gigahertz band needs to be carefully examined of the constituent federal agencies to

determine what can be done. i cannot emphasize enough how important spectrum is in the 5g network globally so anything we can do there is good. there are other bands and play potentially for the future. mr. bergman were up four gigahertz band, it's used by 5g, who might want to look at that seven gigahertz pending on what is in their could be of interest as well either for unlicensed or licensed or both. >> thank you so much and my time is up. >> gentlemen yelled back. i can't tell you how happy we are that you are able to join us by last-minute.

>> that's exactly why i came back. i don't think it would take so long and cause disruption, rutrying not to do that here. educate members in congress of staff about the opportunities of future generations. 5g and successors are not just placing download speeds to urban centers, key players in connecting rural communities like mine deploying precision agriculture, better telehealth services and more. this is why i've directed staff to reach out to stakeholders to ensure we as a caucus in congress continue to march toward 5g and beyond. it is imperative we stay on top of these issues both at home and abroad interpersonally whether we understand it or not, it's

something coming and we need it. mr. bergman, at home, a major factor wireless leadership is ensuring spectrum pipeline does not run dry after the upcoming 2.5 gigahertz option. i'm sorry i missed billy's option that went on here. have you identified spectrum bands that would be good candidates fortr future 5g use? second, click in congress to identify these additional bands? >> thank you for your focus on spectrum, it is critical, i'd highlight the lower band is absolutely critical for 5g. this is a place where thousands of countries around the world are using spectrum, it is key to put this at play and certainly commend the committee to look at that. c there are others i a would encourage you to look at, seven gigahertz is an enormous and,

federal users today, important missions, we think they are opportunities to be more efficient and make that available for commercial license used in also look at other countriesiase internationally. four gigahertz is being used in asia for 5g services so we are to look at these different candidate, looking at the rest of the world and also leading since we did with 600 megahertz, we can meet here in the u.s., i would encourage you all and each time it's extended in this auction. we do need to lead, we can't just get out of the way, we need to lead. thank you for looking beyond our borders, leadership in a national standard setting to allow the u.s. to shape 5g policies that benefit american companies and consumers if not both of the deployment

adversaries. ms. brown, your organizations have been active in standard-setting representative the world. how can u.s. participation and international regulatory be improved to help us take the lead for 5g going into 6g? >> thank you for the question. i want to differentiate between two standards bodies, 3g pp is industry led, the intel representatives, we are active there and others, those are industry led and when you look at those, send the ones where drink the technical interactions and the ones with the expertise in wireless networks and how to best increase the stability supposed going forward. in the regulatory arena, we happy communications union, a

place i have gone in the policy expert, it's looking more at which spectrum ban is the most applicable and it is important we as the u.s. understand where we are going, what we have in the pipeline in the near term but also longer-term we make those priorities apparent and try to get other countries to coalesce around this so i wanted to differentiate between the two different types of standards. >> thank you. >> i don't have much to add the excellent information, i will say the standards internationally play out in a number of venues and u.s. leadership critical. in the wi-fi world we have an industry led triple that does most of sanitation work.

it turns out one of the key entities that does standards for wi-fi is the european tele- communication standard agency and they are important because significant part of the world follows the standards here. by leading in this, we've been able to lead in this state. being first mover is important. >> seeing no more members, the chair request the following recordss and other information into the record. a letter from a broad range of 20 carriers and members of the wireless ecosystem to extend fcc spectrum auction authority letter from digital liberty to the house subcommittee on communication and technology. without objection, that is so ordered. i want to thank our witnesses

for participation in today's hearing, i would remind disbursement to committee close, they have ten business days to submit additional questions for the record answered by the witnesses appeared and are asked the witnesses to please respond promptly to any such questions you may receive. at this time, the committee is adjourned.

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