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and certainly the most significant ones that thet committee will upheld in public, correct. >> that is right and this ines the first one that they've done since they've conducted their investigation actually has some findings to share the american people. >> what do you think the format of this hearing will be coming to haveri findings to share, will have witnesses on thursday night as well. .. they haven't announced any witnesses. they have cap details close to their vest. i think they want to have maximum impact, which is why they're trying to keep it somewhat mysterious as long as they can. i do suspect we will see different topic areas at each of the hearings that will break down the different leanings of their investigations. ho that is what i would be watchful right now. >> do you have idea on the numbers of people the committee has interviewed? obviously in private ahead of this hearing? and does that give us an

indication of where they are headed in this investigation? >> yes. they have interviewed over 1000 people. i think we only know of maybe a couple hundred of a who those people are based on tracking the committee, talking to some of them, their lawyers and some about. we do know they've got very distinct lines of what was donald trump doing in the preceding january 6 intending to overturn the election. those involved in the violence of the capitol. some of the money trail. i think we will see it broken out. >> we mention this iss a select committee this is not a permanent standing committee selected by the leaders in this case, the speaker. tell us about the genesis of the committee and particularly the choice of the american members of the select committee? >> sure this committee was never supposed to exist.

after the attack there is bipartisan outrage at what happened. over the republican party go for a bipartisan commission the 911h commission that independently investigates and comes up with finding the republicans ended up thinking that we can't have no one we have to have some investigation were going to appoint a committee. what happened there in five republican appointees was the breakdown or maybe seven and five. vetoed two of them which is in her power to do present jim

jordan jim banks don't belong on this committee. and because of that leader mccarthy went to withdraw all five of my pics and boycott the committee altogether. a committee appointed entirely by speaker pelosi. >> kyle cheney with the senior legal affairs. we are talking about the hearing this week of the general six committee paid welcome your calls and comments (202)748-8001 is a line for republicans. (202)748-8000 for democrats and independents and others (202)748-8002. the timeline of this select committee hold the hearing on thursday more expected and when did they want to wrap up their work and publish their findings? >> we are anticipating around six hearings maybe eight. that will remain in flux depending on how it goes which witnesses can confirm.

again we still don't really know much about who they are going too. we expect high-profile names eventually. one thing that is very important as this is not the end of the road for them. it involves releasing the actual report in september. again that could change to everything very fluid for them. certain things that extend quicker go into october maybe even into the midterm elections for. >> as thursday's hearing comes up who are some the members will be watching most closely? >> the obvious ones and cheney i would say even more so because as one of two republicans on the committee and r the most promint leadership role on this committee, spreadsheet messages the results here and tries to connect with republicans at home who may or may not be tuning

into these hearings at all. she pulled no punches about her own colleagues in their complicity leading up to generally six and how she talked about involvement in this is very importantge message. connects differently than the democrats. >> what about other members on the committee? would you do expect the toughest questions to come from? >> think janie rask and trent jamie raskin he sat led the second impeachment of donald trump related to january 6. his involvement here. adam schiff led the first impeachment donalde trump. these two have a long history of pursuing i think lofgren is another one multiple

impeachments through the career including the nixon impeachment as a staffer. she has seen the whole gamut of high profile investigations like this. >> jamie raskin is written inha his book he is furious with earliest leaks that came out ofo that group and tried to shut down the leaks. t he has been just the opposite with this committee there been regular leaks of information who is testifying, some of the information they are gathering in this committee. you think that has been part of a strategy?ha >> somewhat. think it's hard to tell for this investigation is massive. more than 1000 witnesses we still cannot identify where the intuit or 50 of them. some of that is the witnesses themselvesth the committee declaring on people watching who is coming into the building. the leaks that have come out again but don't necessarily know the source of a lot of them. sometimes it could be from the

committee. there's different motivations involved. i think what we see in the text messages from mark meadows for example the former chief of staff has been a consistent source of drip drip of leaks. that is not so the most important information and in fact the committee has released strategically somee of its own's information and court filings freight that has been away them to signal to the public where the investigation has gone apart what they have uncovered. some of it is very intentional. >> will go to college for kyle cheney 20274800 for democrats. and for all othersn (202)748-8002. tom is in harrisburg, pennsylvania independent line. >> caller: yes good morning. i'm a part of the group still very neutral. the january 6 issue has pulled so low. the issue of other polls higher

than january 6 is number one. number two what our poll is finding its having a boomerang. it's helping people the democrats are trying to hurt which is evident here in pennsylvania where republican nominee was at the capitol january 6. and he won in a landslide. spiritually cared a lot. this issue is not one connected necessary the average voter sitting at home for they look at january 6 is a thing of the past but something that happens not good at the time. a real visceral outrage over it has faded pretty think that committee knows that. t when you ask them what their goal is they get a different answer. we need to do this for history, would you document the truth of what happened. that's an important thing for the historian. think what they wanted to do through the hearing is change that somewhat at the very least.

they think they can convince people what happened was yes but it is not over. it is on going for their still attempts to cede backed actors in positions of power over elections that could create a crisis in the future. and they want to show people who are conflicted in that last time it may be preparing to do something better orchestrated next time. i think they feel like they could potentially move some of those numbers per think they felt they did that during the first over in ukraine which was far more complicated and evenon less connected than january 6. they want to remind people what they felt like on january 7. >> next up is lynn on the democrat side in elmore ohio. lynn, make sheet mutual television andou make your commt or question for kyle cheney. >> lynn you are on the line go ahead.

>> caller: good morning. >> host: good morning go ahead. >> caller: good morning to you guys. this has been an interesting morning. i have one question when we are investigating why is it that nobody has brought in the fact that all of the mail -- make shooters are mail not female paid can you answer that question? excellent i think you're referring to her previous segment on gun violence but let me ask you kyle cheney is there in thee indication the witness may include some of the actual participants of the generous six attack? speech i think it's possible but we know at least five in my camp the people who have been charged and pled guilty to participating in the breach of the capitol, interviewed with the committee and probably more than that.

all the ones have testified have expressed remorse duped into their behavior by donald trump has lied about the electionec results and want to discuss that. want to discuss it with thecu committee. the spotlight of the committee will bring. but i do think it's very likely we will hear or see some video testimony from those people about why they did what they did on january 6 pickwick speaking the former president donald trump indicated he will be watching commenting on the hearings when they get underway on thursday? >> i don't if he said he would be watching. the commentary has been we will push back on this. we're going to use our media organs to essentially counter message the hearings. kind of downplay the significance of january 6 and treated as a partisan affair.

and not this moment for bipartisan resolve but the kid committee wants to present. there be a major push back from him and his people and their friendly media outlets to try to undercut the impact of the committee. >> host: getting it likable that testimony by some former vice president pence staff? >> think that's also very possible. i think we know the vice president the former vice president staff was very cooperative with the select committee. the chief of staff's chief lawyer, two of their most important witnesses we have seen some snippets of their testimony but we know how crucial that is been for them. the vice president himself is not necessarily cooperated there is no way his people would have without his blessing. whether we see them again in w public it would be among the group i would consider the highest profile. >> calls with scott and sherwood, arkansas republican line. >> caller: yes, good morning.

mr. cheney please, if you could explain to the listeners that speaker pelosi has some authority over security of the capitol? andit also, explain why she is f limits withth that committee? thank you. >> this is something of a misconception to the committee paid first of all speaker pelosi does have a role in capitol security for this is the same role as leader mcconnell had on january 6. mthey both oversee the appoints of the s capitol police which ix or group that had responsibility for security in the campus. that board appoints the police chief while a lot of these briefings and decision-making. and so while speaker pelosi certainly has a role she is emphatic she has no day-to-day operational role in security.

she has delegated that to the house sgt at arm's on the senate side it's the senate sgt at arms pretty heavy architect of the capitol has a role and of course the capitol police. now the one thing people don't fully appreciate is the select committee is a pretty intensive investigation of the security dynamics of the capitol pretty purred a lot of counterer messaging from republicans why are we looking at what went wrong and generally sick security? i think the committee may have more intensive findings on that than people have appreciated per they have brought in all of the security officials plus their predecessors who were in charge on january 6 and have been relieved of the rules. when they talko to intelligence officials, secret service officials. i am curious tom see what they have come up with there, it is not going to be what the independent like charles from new jersey good morning pre- >> good morning bird i am a long-term listener.

i listen to the senate, the house, the committees in the hearing. i believe if the committee was serious they would not be holding what i believe is going to be a reality show. everyone knows what a reality show is. everything is prescript of the audience will be standing up on their feet yelling and screaming we didn't know that. so i would like to hear response on whether or not this particular way of showing it. >> guest: they have seen reports in the past that have had explosive and important findings in them that have landed with a thud. they look at the mueller report is probably the best example of this that is been sort of their guide but they don't want to see happen is that as a report an intense amount of information --

important information what russian interference in the 2016 election. and the involvement of potential contact between russians and donald trump's campaign and his orbit. i think the committee solve that report came out. it was very dense, it was very text heavy there was nothing visual aboutab it. certain findings were manipulated encountered message very effectively. that report amounted to very little. i think what they want to do is avoid the fate of the mueller report. they know the reality of capturing viewers attention and capturing the public's attention means or has to be a bit of a showmanship element to this. that may be unsavory when you're dealing with something as serious and important as government investigation. they are treating it as that's the reality and that's the way focus on something that might otherwise make their eyesak glae over. >> are coming at this in a different environment than the 1970s and watergate and iran

contra in the 80s with just a few cable networks covering. as an era of immediate people are changing channels and streaming they have to capture people's attention when this hearing that gets underway thursday night. >> as i mentioned before the be a very extensive counter messaging push from conservative media from protracted media gets a lot off eyeballs. to contend with that they're going to have to do some that draws the gaze back to them and not allow other people to drown them out. >> or minor viewers and radio listeners complete uninhibitedag coverage beginning at 8:00 p.m. eastern the select committee on january 6, 8:00 o'clock eastern c-span stimulate c-span.org are mobile app at c-span now charlotte north carolina is

michelle next up on the democrat line good morning. >> hello? >> make sure you mute your with your comment. >> i am not looking at polling on this matter and looking at accountability. this is been swept under the rug. it was never to do a hearing on thisnd matter. >> guest: i think that is right. i think the committee views part of their mission or their role as again laying out the truth of what happened for american so it doesn't get swept under the rug you can't have a violent attack on the capitol one that was sort of seated for a week stinnett and attempt to overthrow the legitimate result of the 2020 election and not do a full investigation of the very least

for history if not as a warning for theon future. i think that is in one sense how they viewed their role here.th i think they also know the justiceis department is investigating various aspects of this in a way that seems to be growing and encompassing people at higher and higher levels. nki think they're hopeful that even when they are done the justice department continues pursuing accountability on their end as well. >> to think the justice department will pursue legal action in the cases of steven bannon and now peter navarro for refusing to testify before the committee? >> yes, they have both been charged with contempt of congress but steve bennett is supposed to trial g in july ando navarro probably much later in the year. or maybe even next year. but the bottom line it's is ver. rare to see charges of contemptn of congress and number two raising of a single investigation. that is not happen in a very longic time. the justice department has shown

that will stand up for the prerogative of the committee in some circumstances they did not do so in cases of mark meadows and dan the others the committee want to see charge. but it is still rare enough you get to out of it. wetlands are from gerry in new jersey, republican line. >> hello good morning. >> good morning. i went to the fbi cite it said there is not an insurrection because there's not at single n confiscated. my question is, with 40000 hours of tapes, why can we not see any of it? they showed ten minutes up with 40000 hours of tapes, something isn't right and there is sure no transparency if they won't show the tapes. the only four people were killed were bystanders at the capitol.

so why would they keep saying it insurrection when the fbi said itit wasn't? not one gun was confiscated. so it okay will hear from our guest. >> guest: there's a couple misconception there. at least six or seven people have been charged with having firearms with them at the capitol. numbers probably much higher than that but because people were not arrested for the most part in real time at the capitol will probably never know the full answer to that. the first jury trial was of amand from texas who was convicted of having a gun with him when he stormed the edge of the capitol grounds there. there is a bit of a misconception about where rioters armed it seems like for the most part they were not armed with a firearm and other weapons there were a number of

firearms that were seen in footage and people have been charged for carrying. on the hours of tape in fact many, many hours have come out busted by the court cases hundreds and hundreds of people charge the government typically released hundreds and hundreds of hours of footage connected to those cases that have come out publicly. that is among the trove i think it's about 14000 hours of total surveillance footage but even more hours on people's cell phones and other devices andra body worn camera put a lot of that has come out parts of the full collection will probably never see the full collection. but members of congress have seen a lot of it. it's accessible and viewable and will be in all of the cases that have emerged. >> obviously creating committee like this there's many more additional staffers paid lots of extra hours on research and investigation and interviewing. do we have an idea of the cost

of the select committee? >> not the complete cost. i want to say they'd just released f their first three months of the year statement of disbursement which is where they talk about the spending part i would say it's in the 2 million-dollar range the first three monthsye of the year. i don't look that captures the entire universe of their spending? they've got about 50 staffers, a lot of our investigators. former justice department people who have come to the committee using their expertise for other committees of congress to shore this up with extremism experts. then you have the house a legal officeel the legal counsel that have done a lot of litigation for the committee against donald trump.ru >> let's go to mike who is in hobart indiana, independent llline. >> thanks for taking my call i appreciate it. this cannot be considered an

independent investigation if it was i believe we would look into the riots from that left for two years i'm an independent i vote both ways i don't think it's fair right wing riot is singled out. especially the movie 2000 meals something to this illegal activity of voting hi fraud.co thank you for your time i don't think politicos the greatest independent source to be able to dictate if it's a fair process or not. thank you very much. >> leslie kyle cheney what are you looking for again on that first night of hearings this thursday? what you think the take away from that might be? >> i think primarily it's going to be setting the table i mentioned the committee is cap their cards are pretty close they want to have some surprises for the showmanship element to keep viewers interested in tuning in. think we will learn some new information of what they have uncovered. i think we will hear a w lot abt

they view this as a pre-meditated carefully organized and coordinated attack on the capitol not necessarily a random occurrence or spontaneoue event. i think were going to learn a lot about how they broadly view the front to democracy and they will break down how they're going to organize the rest of their hearing for it again i don't have other witnesses could be it could change it's all very fluid. >> senior legal affairs reporter for politico. you can follow him on twitter@kyle cheney three thank you so much for being with us this morning. >> thanks for having me. [background noises] >> after months of closed-door investigations the house and generate sixth committee is set to go public tune and as community entering what

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