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support in person for those who join to heartland institute but your money to good use. we keep doing more forin you. i am a student of history, ih love history. as much as our sessions here discuss policy sometimes politics in today's world i've been especially fired up for this talk for quite some time. our speaker i just wrote a book dragonslayer's. it is as much history as a policy and governance. i purchased a book i i am not o quite through that yet. i have read much of it. it is a compelling narrative. as he is a supporter of the speakers he is a writer were not treat tonight bring going to turn over to for more formal introduction. thank you for obeying your tonight it's wonderful to see you. [applause] cooks usually i am so loud -- mckay that works fantastic.

i swear we tested all the stuff dozens of times today. it always goes g wrong when the camera goes great speakingi of cameras i want to welcome britt bynum is a big camera on the back these arean friends from c-span for their here to record this for f posterity. it's also on her own lifestream welcome everyone who is watching on lifestream as well. we'll get right to introduce our fantastic speaker tonight but i think this is a secondhe type my be the third time larry has given us a presentation. he is a native arizona graduated from arizona state university at ba in political science. but that degree to use right work with several different rock bands opens for 60s and 70 acts such as stefan wolf. he switched gears again in 1976 got an ma from asu a in history than a phd university of california santa barbara. he also tied at the dayton for almost 20 years. he's taught every single grade

from seventh through college. that is fantastic. he is a co-author with michael allen bestseller patriots history of the united states which is now in its 31st printing. a half a billion copies in print. [applause] that book remains the best selling homeschool history textbook in america. you might note from the title it is supposed be an anecdote that book. i 2019 he found a wide world of history website it's now available full curriculum eight through 12 writing full lessons with videode instruction is othr best songbook of seven events that made america right here on this handsomely displayed on the staple. all of these are pulled from the library of freedom how trump won

which she authored before the election. patriots history of the modern world into volumes. again right here. and then the last time he was he present on the book ragan the american president from 2018 points here tonight to talk to us about his latest best seller dragonslayer's part six president and there or the swamp. please welcome to the stage larry. [applause] are i think it's great to be back here. especially in a room dedicated to andrew. i only had a few occasions to meet andrew. but one of them was he went way out of his way to introduce had brought me hosted a nice wonderful steak dinner many

other people it's really nice of him to do that. i am always grateful to andrew for leading the way. it's interesting you mentioned because in ohio and our home we had a nice big yard of the picket fence. one day the dog was at the going crazy butut there is a raccoon with its head stuck between the fence slats. i used to tell my students i walked back to the garage and i got my big trouble. and i walked out. i >> that fence and freed that reckons we could run off. don't tell me use bash the raccoon. so anyway for those of you who do not know me, everything's jim said is more or less trooper end up teaching at the university of dayton in 1985 printer were a number of books that are not

here tonight their academic books. and again they make for good footnotes and so forth. but they do not make for great reading. i wanted to write books that people would read it. surrender 1999 or so we started work on a textbook. we wanted a book we could use in our classes that was not horribly biased. he ended up writing a book and we never thought would sell it to a publisher. in fact we thought it would be sold out of the back of the van california. [laughter] but i publisher did pick it up and it did very wellin 2004. went on to write three other books after that. and then in 2010 i was on the glenn >> show party may remember this this is when glenn had an audience of 3.5 million a night.

seven g times that of cnn. staggering how many people he reached. i gavest a copy of patriots history, going know this book? anyone has read the book knows is a great buckley proper response is is a great book. i know he had not read the book. [laughter] i got a call four days later from glenn atnn home. he said larry weiner on the show i didn't read the book and it's it that's okay and he said he read of the weekend. he said this is a great book. his endorsement, he put it on his desk every night of the show and talk about three, four, five times a night with little yellow post- its and it. immediately the top of amazon. in the following week i got a call from the publisher and said to hate lear your book is going to be in thes "new york times" book list this week. way to go.

i get a call a week later in your book is going be the top ten of the "new york times" unlike way to go. and then i get the call i can hear him in the background all partying i can hear the champagne corks popping and i know it's going on back there right? i said they were your books going to be number one on the "new york times" way to go out love it. it's going to be 100 times great. going to be target, costco, walmart, my books going to be in at walmart? thank you jesus. i met i was writing but that everybody could read. which is what my goal is. over the years have gone out to write another of these now we are back. a number of these other books. most recently i started thinking about the ttr swamp obviously ie context of donald trump and what he went through not just 2020 but what he went through, through his whole administration

in terms of people undercutting him, subverting him and including his own attorney general. about trump is not the only one. there have been other presidents who have had swamp problems. so when i started the book i thought is looking at six different presidents with six different stories. as i began to push together were always some of the same thing. all of these swamps were interrelated. nice start with lincoln the story starts a little bit before him of the most important american you probably never heard of and that is martin van buren. martin van buren the two-party system approach that 91 party party. it was called the democratic y republican. it really was called the republican. in june with the previous call? the era of good feelings in the

correct bargain. martin van buren decides isks going to in the presidency. story is a lot deeper. you see what van buren was really trying to do was to create a political party that can keep a civil war from happening. he would do this by making sure slavery could not be attacked. even as the northern and midwestern states began to have more and more representatives to congress. how do we keep this from happening? ndhis answer was money. we will buy these people off. even if you are an antislavery from pennsylvania we will give you a government job if you just shut up and follow along

protocol the spoils system. and as a result, van buren did not get this because his goal was to keep theed federal small the state stronger. but he had that inadvertently is create a system which the federal government began to grow with every single election because you had to give away jobs to get elected. by the way the most powerful job. this is when to shock you, in 1830 was a postmaster general of the uniteday states. mommy i would be postmaster general. no way paid back that everybodyo wanted to postmaster general because you had 8500 jobs you got to give away. however the president appointed as postmaster general back i had a lot of power. come the whigs the whig party or no on the same playing field as a democrat for i forgot to tie the name of van buren's party

the whigs come along here on the same playing field all way is to give away more jobs. in every election they promised jobs and they promised more jobs. and so government starts to grow every single election. nobody notices until 1860. part of van buren's strategy was to make sure the presidency remained in the hands of someone who is not hostile to slavery. a northern man of southern principles is the way it was worded. so you get a democrat or a northern man of southern principlesfi and office from 188 until 1860.0. in 1860 you've got a big problem because you got a northern man northern principal who does not approve of slavery. even though lincoln says i will not act on slavery he can't help

it priest going to act on slavery because he is going to appoint federal marshal parades going to appoint federal judges who will rule and a runaway slave cases. find out customs commissioners who allow free blacks off the ships that are docking ande' southern port. he's going to appoint postmasters who are going to allow in abolitionist material. so lincoln's election because the civil war that van buren had hoped to avoid because of van buren's own system. lincoln comes in and when the first things he notices she is these army of jobseekers lining up down the street. at the time he ran the government get this with two secretaries. lincoln ran the whole government to secretaries and literally people to come inside the white house and stand there and form a long line all the way down the block waiting to talk to the press about jobs, when he wasn't

busy fighting a war. lincoln could not deal the swamp because first job you need the spoils swamp to defeat the slave swamp which he did. he was the only of the six presidents to be completely successful he didn't defeat the slave swamps the spoils swamp was still around and continue to grow. i'd actually got worse after the civil war because you had all of these veterans who are now claiming the benefits by writing their congressman think i was in the civil war i need all these benefits. within ten years after the civil war the number of veterans claiming benefits from the civil war when declined because they died, that did not happen it grew as more and more people suddenly had a magic memory restoration they remember they were in the civil ward got injured, wounded or whatnot.

it began to grow crazy. and so you literally have thousands and thousands of jobseekers descending on washington with each new administration. went to the trains going out of d.c. would be full and incoming trying to be full of different people all seeking to take the jobs those who just left. grant did not do a whole lot about this. neither did hayes. the next guy a guy named james garfield ran on a program of defeating the spoiled swamp. then he was going to do it with one small problem, he got killed. june who killed him? i spoiled swamp approach shot him and tries to favor the swamp and now arthur is president great sea chester arthur was thought to be very favorable to the spoiled swamp is one of the rare people in washington when

it gets into office he is a change of heart to do the right thing. and he actually begins to attack the spoiled swamp. but arthur had another problem, bright's disease kept him from serving a second term but he is out at all to the second line president grover cleveland. i love cleveland i look at him is trump the first and first guy to win election, lose an election, when election very cleveland won the popular vote all three times. he comes in and takes on the spoiled swamp. he is in there staying up late at night in the white house reviewing all of these claims are veterans that if it's from those who wereo, not veterans throwing them out vetoing them saying not going to accept this he kicked out thousands and thousands of these. until he finally worked up congress to create something called the pendleton civil service act. this supposedly reformed the spoiled system.

you know what happens in washington when they perform anything. it gets worse. and so that they were foreman and take% of total federal employees away for the president. put in the hands of the civil viservice commission you would take a test however you place in that test is what job you're eligible to serve in. but the unseen ramification was now president had so many fewer jobs to personally give away, now they had to give groups of jobs. i believe in a strong defense and solid guys some raytheon and they got the call about the environmental protection. i believe in protecting the

environment. so what pendleton really did giving way government job at a very small level into a very gigantic level. the government growth i talked about all the sudden it started to increase exponentially. meanwhile there's another swamp raising its ugly head. just like twitter and google. and teddylt roosevelt determined to do something about it you may not know he feared the media. he feared the yellow press would create such a firestorm. not for us against the big businesses but against all businesses. he believed this in his heart i

like him in some ways i don't like him in some ways. you can't help but like a got a cushy government job assistant secretary of the navy, war n breaks out and he resigns and goes to raise a volunteer cavalry unit that wants to get into action and want to see combat. not only does he do that but he fights. and he wins. as presley negotiates a piece between japan and russia and is awarded a real nobel peace prize. he mentioned any b modern president receiving a medal off honor and peace prize? i'm convinced had teddy roosevelt succeeded everything else and did not meet payroll i

don'tth know how i think they would have been different than one trustee doesn't take on over time to the cia were added. so by john kennedy's time in office he need to the cia too much to get rid of it. he needs it for cuba.

he needs it for allow support he needs it for vietnam or ason lyndon johnson say vietnam. and one time in canada comes into officer 600 americans in south vietnam. when he is assassinated there 16000 americans but i do not by this notion candies would get us out of vietnam. any00 trim when you had from 1600 -- 16000 yet he. >> fortunately for reagan, he needs a government and he needs

a military any needs big business in order to accomplish the other two,en and so almost like editing he finds that he ns these agencies that he wantso to get rid of, too much to get rid of them and i will share one anecdote in myy book, reagan the american presidency, and david stockman, was a true believer in reducing the size of government and they were sitting on memos sending them out to all the department how are you coming in reducing the size of your department how are you coming on reducing your budget and he gets one letter in one memo back that i found in the archives, and this is the guy the reagan apointed to believe in reagan's agenda like i said well we spoke this year's budget we spent next pictures budget as well so i really don't like will get around to getting anything anytime soon, once you're in the swamp, it is darn near impossible to rollback the swamp

okay, and so 1984, regular pretty much given up on the third plank oftf this platform which was to reduce the size of government any pretty much having give up on the third one, the bureaucracy and one thing that happened between kennedy and reagan, congress had been appointing and creating the committee bureaus in the administrative agencies and empowering them but once they got in place, congress just let them know and basically, any oversight over any of these bureaucracies in the administrative a state, at all d just let them go, and so it insults to the courts to try to handle this but unfortunately, what started to happen was that the court said well, congress has set of this agency, risk

given the powers and who are we to say the congress is wrong as of the basically that the owncies defining their missions that even set up their own private police forces and some of the other organizations what they have and so that was a major change in the bureaucracy between kennedy and reagan. finally we get to trump internal communityy basically gets all four of the other swamps in his the media solve any gets a cia swamp of the fbi swamp, many state swamp and trump's to help him out a whole lot and just the worst thing that pointy in american history i had to go back a long ways to find some and worse and some trump is himself undercut, and every point, he would order documents, classifieds and nothing would avenue and dramatically t very good, new pointy to the trump state department, and she said

they would send out memos to the embassy and they would get responses back and they say we would not do that for this reason without reason and he can never follow-up in he and farley's people's with andy, i have lincoln, cleveland, and roosevelt as successes or partial successes in training are swamps made kennedy and as either failures a partial failure and draining there swamp is over that, this is always the best part of the night when we do the command day because i go back to rock 'n' roll larry, i feel is not unhinged larry and this b is the solo where i almot burned on the human condition center and so let's go ahead and open this up to questions in the i will take it is a goes from there and we have a microphone circulating.

you are not on. there you go, you are on an okay. >> hi larry, this deep state is huge now and we know that his power and we know that top levels, they would do or not do, what is required of them by the president, what i would like you to comment on is below and sorting of the high levels of civil service and going down, there's a certain culture of people who were hired in the fact they are reported, for finding new ways to have a little bit of power and find new things to regulate and control, how does that work and help that is it. >> it is horrible and you know,

regular and the closest thing that he came to eternal right on this plan was a government agency and you're absolutely right, you can change other heads that the agency but helmet doesn't really affect the cauldron we saw this with the fbi, do not, we kept hearing people that said, that is only a few bad apples at the top of the rank-and-file fbi, there find, no folks, they are corrupted down to the stud and, i mean, all of the way through, and if any of them were not correct, they would've set up and said, i am going whistle and i was a this is wrong this is not according to our manual and according to our regulation had i'm going toca call out and call me in the cave all these other guys know, that did not happen and so, there is a total culture change that is required in addition to changing the personnel that i have some suggestions as tote how we might

accomplish that. >> thank you larry, the thing that amazed me during the four years of trump presidency is that every single day there was aig scandal, and they would go p communist and ossian beheaded and everything, and russia russia russia, right, more russia and so, what was thehe basic premise of these republicans and democrats the hated, hitting him,be was becaue he did not pay his dues and he just went from thai going to president, or was it that some people that w i talk to liberal, they can't tell me whether he trump, just comes down to the tweets mean tweets. >> an okay, that's a great question, truck represented i think by far, steve manning is the best single analyst on this entire thing and of the people written about it,od the late - i

don't know if you know him, the guy is a phenomenal writer but if he representative a clash of the country class versus the ruling class and that is to say, that the elites inside of dc, is a book by charles murray, after losing ground, calling hundred coming apart and phenomenal and in it murray shows, the base on 12 and income, and iq in the school of graduation for iq, he said you could go through suburbs of washington dc if you didn't have 70 picking up your laundry for your or giving you the starbucks, you would never interact with a single person who is not in your income and iq school level and he said on a single block that everything a person on the block would come out of ivy league school and

that's gotta change and no asu, that's no greater shape from university of montana is nothing that testing the gosh, ten people from those schools will be better than the adeas we have up there now and so you have this deep culture that is a problem and now, trump hit of the buttons, and this button, i love to talk about this one, this is why the david french's and the french fries had the chris - they are also such trump haters my theory is this, they were never conservatives, what happened was they would assume a conservative position at a cocktail party and his speeches the heartland institute a a youg america's whatever they would go and make these conservative speeches until trump because they knew that nothing was going

to change and so at the end of the night, they can go back to the liberal buddies at the top hundred cocktail parties able you know, will be nice if roe versus wade would be overturned that will never happen. [laughter] [laughter] and they would walkk off right new construct, he said no, we will do these things and we will change this country and that hit them like a brick wall because all of a sudden, the threat was that the policies were actually going to change the can no longer go to these people and pretend to besi supporting conservative positions they would have to do it and defended real conservative conservative change so i think that was an issue as well. >> you know, there is a really surprising to me a decision in florida, the ruled against the cdc and the mandates and if you think about how far the swamp is

going against cdc is now part of well who knew and it seems as though this is a significant decision i against the state as towner your thoughts on the significance of the legislation. >> and today, hitler's birthday we really need to celebrate yesterday which was freedom day in america. here is what i would say about that, i would urge you to watch the broadcast of the guy named robert barnes, lawyer on locals, these hundred any has been predicting the outcomes of these legalas cases to almost exactlys they turn out and he said the osha case, would be really guest biden but he said the military case would not because for so long, there was a presidents, you would go into the military than overseas and you get all of the shots and so is going to be really hard to overturn that and

so thiss was huge and have all f these liberals out there screaming today, the judge, in florida,m overturned the end is that kind of like roe v. wade and so, it was a massive massive shift, that the ground is shifting and not just their come across the board and he sent us today, my gosh, this guy is a tornado, he has taking on disney nursing you know what, you guys have existed for what 67 or 68 years with, well for 40 years ol the large florida taxpayers and you don't of the taxes you should in the total economy in your little predevelopment and we are going to change all of that and boy that had this are exploding here. so i do that is right, i don't s agree that will have a hundred seat turnover but i do believe that we are on the verge of a groundswell i just tweeted out walls other, that is my twitter,

is a plane my movie other walls to fall is a look me up walls other a tweeted an article this afternoon about this groundswell and is notit just here folks, is going on across the world of people are rising up and look what happened in hungary, 90 percent, insane levels with allison, that of using coming kill me and torture my family, these are while 90 percent insane numbers as the occurring everywhere personal to people and i know is a catchphrase with a are rising up and even in business fabulously international rise of all of these people is turning marks on the head because they are rising up for free markets and freedom against the communist and is astounding. >> ove' here.

>> market, hello larry, they often hold the microphone andcr they don't want to give the microphone to a crazy person like me personally avenue twitter follower god i'm following you you want m to folw me back and so, quickly i was in sprinkle this morning i spoke for three minutes at the illinois state board of education and told them to get rid of it because it is a m wasteful group and with that in mind, i was hoping that donald trump would've eliminated the department of education and instead he hired betsy devos, and nothing really happened and so, - t-mac when you say nothing happened, that is h a wn for us as strange to say but if you been a whole bunch of bureaucrats and at the end of four years coming as a the nothing on, i was a yeah, we wot for years okay go ahead. >> and so i was only trump supporter and i thank you so coming back i but, i was hoping

that he would get rid of the department of education and why did he gety rid of the departmet of education. >> why didn't he get rid of a have a doesn't do was sandstone from the beginning, when you come in and amanda, she said that she estimated there were 60 - people in the entire administration of president alona points 3000 and out of the 3000 coming of only got 60 mega dedicated people, would be hard to change thingss that way and t will actually get rid of the department, you would have to have a department head who is committed to getting rid of that department and that is very hard to do you know you going to have to set about seo is committed to getting rid of for automobile, the is the equivalent of that and i think that would've been a bridge too far for trump to get rid of a wall cabinet level agency and reagan done it but he did not have the political clout

to do all three of those things right and whens trump comes and again, he's going to have to come in with the flamethrower, and i mean, with an exterminator right be behind him term next behind because they're only going to get one more shot at this wrong, next time we probably aren't going to get another shot in any of our lifetimes. >> thank you larry for f trackig through 200 years of history and how about present-day how would you describe thee power structue in washington who is running the place b. >> i do not believed the biden s running anything and by the way my twitter, have all of these nicknames, biden is that rutabaga - herbert had nancy pelosi is both toxic. [laughter] [laughter] image mcconnell and so anyway, and i don't think the biden is running anything and i don't think that obama is running

anything because he is too lazy and i don't think that he has energy of the time and he was play video games swim you know and so i think it is a - and run calling us that if one cabal group and simpering marketing tools out there in charge and you go through each interest group of the education and they are all vying for bidens undivided is wide andnd kind of passing that he hears going out the door his credit what he mumbles with heat repurchases under three pieces word salad of nonsense and so that is who is running washington you have a whole bunch off rino republicane who are committed to keeping the swampce in place and they're all bought off by someone the most of them by big pharma and if you want to what we have the vaccines and the vaccines and the fortis is a vaccine, we have people in washington were making it funny off of big pharma and never mentioned any of the other

things that might mediate and so you have at the rino's and that is why i think it in the next two elections are absolutely a critical, and if the seven trump endorsed senate candidates all win it, it'll be a stretch but they could do it if they all went from that would change the republican makeup by 14 percent in the one election by 14 percent, if you bring those seven at in their committed and they actually do what they say they're going to w do, no guarantees there with doctor oz or that you don't know but they are better than the other guys and of the actually do what they say, and the command and new condensate the next echelon of the ted cruises and eric scott's in the marsha blackburn's, moving over hard-core on their side and is in over window the begins of pull the whole senate back to the right and then in 2024, now you've got a shot and

i have seven or eight and is a wave is if is big enough, there's not a seat in the world that, will the democrats are just now figuring this out, the leases political help alternate the bad news for the democrats this week andnd they said that basically were looking at a wipe out and we are looking at potentially 24, if you don't improved majority of both houses that this is the left sink us ander so, i personally think wil get somewhere in the neighborhood of 40 seat biden declined to sure, not going to change, he's want to keep going down he is in the 30s and at least three poles now to think it be of the high 20s by election time in 2024, maybe even lower and that should be sufficient to wipe him out, just crush him. >> speak of liking and her wiping a knife and emma got this video be banned from youtube and then i remembered everything you say, so it will be fine we've a

question of a here then we have a question here so will start with you dan. >> good evening and thank you i was wondering how you might've considered the history of judy carter, so i think was will i consider him to be one of the great deed regulators of our time. >> wasn't carter carter who deregulated all that heat regulation have been put in place actually back in the late part of the nixon administration when you look at the airlines and trucking and gas, and in my book reagan the american presidency, i had a chapter on particle the worst president aever within asterix and then t the bottom the pages and until barack obama now i had to revise it to say, until barack obama and joe biden so you know, my nickname for him is jesus carter because he is so pompous and so perfect it and you know, i don't consider him to be a very good resident at all i think it was a

disaster and a d regulation was there was not his doing and he inherited it. >> hello, i have a question, do you know bureaucracy by popular. [inaudible]. and if the bureaucracies remain smaller. >> i given what you are saying this is actually a suggestion abide steve bannon which is good is so three measures for help year, first what we do about here's one thing that you can do with this dance suggestion, you by these people out coming to buy out their contracts and you say that i will pay you, 20 percent more of your remaining salary to get out and retire now and this will cost a lot of money but, it is a one-time investment because once a person is out of the job, what you do, you close a job, is no more open and it will never be stopped again and believe you could get rid of a lot of

washington it if you were to buy out these jobs and then just shut them off, that's suggestion number one and number two, you g have to get the bureaucracy out of the sea, you've got get the administrative state, out of dc and trump actually started to do this and he began moving some of the bureau of land management handed the interior offices to omaha, nebraska, and it farming and i think put them all in - in new mexico you'll never hear from them again. hello, it's a uranium mine, that's all you need to know, and so anyway, move these offices out to get them into the interior of america at the very least, what that will do is to get them around more ordinary americans are more of the time so that they see the impact of the policy and they see nothing back in dc,at they're totally insulated in a complete echo

chamber and then three a good thing we gotta do is vote and vote in mega oriented people who are actually going to change the system and we can only do what we do, early vote for the people in front of us at the time but do what you d can do to replace these people. >> i have a question and go-ahead. >> not that trump is an accident trump or equivalent to but, can you give insight into the watergate and certainly you seem like you have a deep state operation and the fbi and the holding against accident what was that all about and with respect what we know now that trump and what happened with trump. >> that is a great question watergate hand i'm going to give an answer very few historians would ever give you and that is we don't know, the best yes that i have is the explanation for john dean, found out the democrats had an address book of

a call girl in their possession and it was his then girlfriend assume to be his wife marine and her name was in this book it was authorize the reagan did indeed hold them what to look for so there nowhere near the chairman of the democratic party office, there over in some au's office back in the back part which happen to have that diary they knew exactly where to go and sod i think that he was blind to nixon that this was national securityov issue and nixon said will we've got to cover it up then and so they went on and they got the cia to intervene with the fbi and say this national security and completely would have from there. andte nixon is not in us incomee obstructed justice and he should've gone to jail but he was not guilty of the original crime that everybody thinks he's guilty of which is ordering the

break-in i don't think so that is my take w on it. [inaudible]. >> i've seen peccadilloes some of them can b' pretty big and watch out for the big peccadilloes. >> will that was a secondgh break-in at. >> that is right but he apparently had directed at both of them. >> he was the go to guy but he did not put to get under putting together, the first one he did. >> it was hunt the put it together. >> i am a question. >> your book larry is dragon layers in the more the swab and i'm going to ask you about the 2020 election and in 2016, nobody thought trump would waited new york times what you did pretty don't think printed.

[laughter] >> that is debated and it depends upon who you talk to my point being that hillary is going to be the third obama term and this law was excited and they already have the plans and all the theirru people and then trump winds and trump is going to go closing swab and as you outlined just a minute ago, so the quit probably and things like that. my personal feeling and i think it was sure about a lot of people in this room and this is going to be sure to get this banned from youtube for sure it will make sure the algorithm guess it all. >> will like it saying, that would guarantee it. >> so theti 2020, election was a little unusual i would say so after all that i started to think too myself, i think a lot of people thought this was no way to bring about trump to win the media was against him, they did not report on the hunter biden's of the suppressed and

they did that in the time magazine article about how theyr fortified election and they saved the country these people think they saved the country they fortified it because that trump had a second term, then really swap is in trouble they could be drained but o in their been holding involvement to keeping him tied up to impeachment for crying out loud hello the seven i know and i thought to myself, there's no way the swamp is going to lead this up to the people they were not going to take a chance he would get reelected and now, is that a conspiracy theories that crazy. >> not at all, time magazine laid it all out exactly what they were doing and i wrote and how trump one i finished the book, my part of the book in about october of 2016 and i said trump will win the election with 306 electoral votes in the final was what 320, 300 okay i was off by six and is in the he would

win. andti so i'm sure based on the voter registration numbers, that i was seeing in ohio and in florida north carolina and i was sure that he was going to win and i really do nothing they could steal it because i thought that trump was going to get at least 10 million more votes in the god before guess what coming up 13 million more votes than before and so what happened along from arizona come they did an audit nobody wants to talk about in terms of the actual findings of the found just give you one data point, 17000 duplicate that an imbalance and i guarantee you all 17000 of those were for bided but we cannot prove it because you can't violate secret ballots and you can't collect the money is a adage about and so when you have 17000 duplicates biden wins by 11000, and that is just one metric and there were dozens of other metrics totaling at least

57000 more votes justin maricopa county is not even in all of arizona we know the county was stopped simultaneously in five big cities, how does that happen but i would say that it will further, and i think there was a conspiracy early on if you want to use that term, and i'm going tto blame mike pence think he s involved in this and i think that the convincing trump, number big supporter of federalism and trump with most federalist president we have had since washington to because his first response to every single issue is, this is congresses job,b, they should fix it. .. don't fix it, i will but he always tried to get the right department or the right agency to do their job. he foisted as much as he could off on the states to get them to do their job. so here comes the china virus and i refuse to call it covid. here comes the china virus and

and here comes a china virus. they refuse to call covid. here comes a china virus and penance and his chief of staff go to trump and said you know what mr. president, this would be a great opportunity to practice the federalist why don't you put control of the administration of the china virus in the hands of the state that is his inclination he said sure, that's a good idea for k t unfortunately you with this de dead? ino state had the medical wherewithal, the expertise in the medical examiner's office and the department of health to compete with the cdc or the nih. so what happened? all the state medical officer started looking back at the cdc and i think what you say? doctor alice seat was right there to tell them right with the thing. and so i think pens plan this. i turned out the power was turned over to doctor fauci

playing on trump's federalism bread if trump had retained the power himself i can guarantee after two months this is baloney, this is hogwash work on open the country backup haywood issued executive orders. no way they've been overridden? i don't know. legislature passed lawsng i dont know. but a guarantee you things would not have evolved the way they did. and therefore added that layer on to all the other things you mentioned all these horrible things going on. which i think is a thing they're down economy as aus result of this. even with fraud if it was not for the china virus. reporter: do think the 2020 election on the up and up? one, do you think it was on the up and up number two answer that question. >> no i don't think is on the up and up anything of abundance of evidence of fraud.

we don't know who it benefited but the chances are overwhelming that it benefited joei b biden. i do not believe joe biden got 81 million votes here, rwanda or the soviet union. that would be my answer. hugs i thinku you are going to e surprised at how many times just stand up this is one thing trump taught everybody. if you just stand up or just thed up and fight back sanchez is internalizes carry lake out in arizona running for governor. he internalized it you got toisn see this woman on the media print she destroys the media for you start standing up and they will back down. but you've got to stand up folks. no rock 'n' roll questions. >> i was going to assess question before you went into all of this, especially in illinois because her county

there's a lot of potential for anelection fraud. how do we fight this? i was an election judge of the last election. we need more conservative judges to be involved. but what else can we do? it's very frustrating. >> and silk illinois are behind reading lineup fight it out one foxhole to time. but every foxholes important. it is many people in the election boards as you can you start working yourt way back ino cook county before you know what you're going have all of the immediate suburbs and then before you know it you'll have some of the interior of the city.ik folks, hispanics are coming over to the republican party like you cannot believe it. two of the most amazing boomerangs andy political histoy that the democrats have encouraged these illegals even illegals wereg coming in, are trending conservative because they come from countries like el salvador and guatemala that are

hellholes. they want a part of the american life. so what is happening i think we can take these back. we are already winning over thes hispanic vote. beverly slowly making inroads into the black vote. we can do it. >> who are you again? >> i am james taylor present of the heartland institute. getting back one thing that fast and immediately touched on this in one of your comments, use of the three of considered successes and three are considered failures. sequentially the first of three you examined were successes. the last three or failures. if you flip them around how successful do you think those first three would have been in the day and age of the last three? and how successful with the last

3b if they hady the circumstancs of the first three? what were the circumstances wasn't more circumstance or more tactics and battlefield of brilliance? quickset than a historicalo question. as you give the confederates ar-15 so that when the civil war? [laughter] look at lincoln was going to be a great president in any age you put him in. in the current to make the right decision for the steadfast and fight for them pretty think if you put them in a worth the smallnd who would have done betr than even cleveland. i think cleveland puts a much narrower man was not a good thinker. he was actually focus on the task at hand. you want grover cleveland fixing your plumbing. tr was very much a man whatever struck him at thehe time. if the swamp would have struck teddy roosevelt would've fought back even harder than trump he

might have been impeached and taken out, removed he would've fought in different favorite reconcile is such that he would have tried conciliation is much as possible with the south with nick in the end heot would've ended up doing the same thing. we're not going to back down on its potential point of america. i feel like time ring jumping back forth in time. that's my best thought. >> have more questions you can raise your hand we have more one right here. >> one of my concerns as people are so clueless today after church of the coffee hour i talked to friends very successful people. they do not want to talk about anything other than their golf game. we live in a retirement village right now.

people who are successful but they don't want to talk about anything serious. so i am really concerned. as we knowul universities today only 4% of the faculty are republicans. >> and only 2% are conservatives. >> and he will do get newspapers the chicago tribune has turned (i am concerned by think the republicans are going to do well. only one reason is because we get gas with inflation that is the key k issue. i'm not going to defeat democrat is not because people are informed they just don't like to pay. >> paint at the gas f up as a fm of is a very powerful form. coming to your question this way. you are familiar with the declaration of independence in her familiar with the line jefferson said i can't quote

exactly as long as the evils all are tolerable the end will tolerate then evil. in other words people will not rise out of their comfort level until they get extremely uncomfortable. which is why i want biden to stay in office for two more years. i want to be so incredibly uncomfortable these people go we will never put another democrat in office in her i entire life. now in terms of retirement village and whatnot, don't forget in 2010 it was the retirees who stormed into the tea party. where the problem was the tea party it was an older movement and did not have a lot of youth in it to take over. i am no string chicken and i am pretty active. >> hello i'm very concerned want trump to win again and get back

into the race he has such poor advisors when he was in the white house people around him would degrade him. has he improved is he any better now? he seems to be surrounded again the people informing him to do the wrong things. he is endorsing some candidates for senate are really bad. >> i push back on that. i was not a vance fan when he first came out but the more i began to look at mandel i realize he is to corrupt you just cannot let him is part of the swamp. the same thing with s higgins. doctor oz was far from my favorite candidate. what they said about democracy and how democracy is the worst government in the world except for all of the others. doctor oz is the best candidate given the others, right? i'm more impressed with people who used to walk the wrong path like barry lake who voted for

obama who is now consistently not leasing the right things are pushingns back. not just saying the right things in front of donors it's are using the right thing in front of the tv stand? and so i hope, i think you're going to seat vance and awes and some these other guys form this maggot senators that it's going to be very powerful. there are a lot of things about a lot of these people i don't liketh. nothing in tennessee with morgan ortega's was a bad pick. people who supported robby starbucks he had was not a boater in that district. it is always a crab shoot. i can ask any one of you here until you have run companies, how many people do you know you can appoint the position that you can absolutely trust on who will carry out your goals and objectives? most of his cannot point to

three or four people, right? how many of those are competent? right? my friends may be one or two. unsaved are stuck relying on people's advice for you do not know all that much but hey they are in the republican party. supposedly have your best interest at heart. who is he getting advice from now? i don't know i'm a feeling as close to the election it's going to be two people don and eric those are the only ones that one night want them taken by some of the maybe steve bannon. so i have to say about that. question over here? roman goal ashford the question i have is if trump were president do you think putin would have invaded ukraine? chance.ot a here's another interesting thought note biden is doing is

terrible. maybe it is better that trump was not in with a luke warm senate and eight luke warm house. maybe we need to refine these people for another four years so that when they come to the fire units are by getting in the bible he was sente down to fight an army andnd he had 30,000 men and god said that is too many you need to get rid of them they are not committed. i'm a go draw water out of the s lake and if they slap it up i can't murmur the story they put in their hands they go i forget. he gets rid of 27000 of them. he says you still got too many. you got 3000 you need to get rid of those. an army of lambs led by a lien is far more powerful than an army of lions led by a lamb, right? when and took the soviet union

with 20000 devout followers a nation of 160 million people. only one third of the americans believe in the cause of the american revolution look at what they did. as dedication to fight and engage the enemy. if we have the right people on there it is doable pronouncing is going to happen it's doable. >> i do not like the question i'm going to ask. >> i don't like the answer. ask a lot of people who i know we were sort of hidden in this area who voted for trump and to supported his position feel that his ability to be elected is diminished by his personality. they are turned off by his nastiness is the way they put it

and worse. so my question is, what are his prospects? or is someone who is a trump follower who is telegenic who can tell you you don't want to third tomatoes at him because he said nasty things. >> is an old saying you can't have jim brown there is every great person and every person achieve something great usually does so in spite of a handicap not because of their personal. i mean moses had a speech impediment this is a guy you're going to choose to lead the jews? really? i don't think that aspect of trump is as big a deal.

i think it iss an excuse for a lot of people. this is why want the pain to continue. on biden to continue in office. i hate saying that for myel felw americans you are alcoholics. you need to get to the bottom floor you're going to say i am a drunk and i need to reform. [inaudible] will the democrats put somebodye in there who will be a nice guy or gal and win votes based on that basis? >> that won't work there now to sound with inflation. they are the party of war. they are the party of covid, masks and vaccine. look at bears his polling trump is beating to santos composed by 50 points, 50 it's not even close. he is beating them biden badly

sometimes by eight or nine points. f that's not what's a quench bike and 24? they know what folks they know they are teetering on b the brik and why haven't they removed biden? harris. because nobody even the democrats, nobody wants harris in there. so for mark words if you see harris go, watch out the 25th amendment is coming for old throat. but until harris goes he is safe. some people think he appointed her dress for that reason. but also member this, the next has to be confirmed by both the house and the senate. that has to be done quickly if they're going to getet rid of hr and put in some like mayor pete that's the guy they want. that is the guy they want to because if you're black get back if you are gay okay.

gate tromso black. mayor pete is next in line doesn't have a chance against trump. they are increasingly painting themselves into narrower and narrower corner as you see with the disneyland staff. they are willing to go to the map for pedophiles for pete's sake for the need to rename/mountain groomer mountain or something like that. click something you said it triggered something he it with a bunch more questions. >> i am here as long as you need me i get paid by the hour. >> thank you larry this is fascinating. what you think putin swamps are even further east what you think president she's swamps are? >> that's a great question. putin is not stupid. he may be a murderer but he is like a mafia boss he's very smart and who he kills. he legitimately saw donbas and some other regions in ukraine as

threats. special is the drumbeat was coming to bring ukraine into nato. that was simply not tolerable for him. does he have people want to take him out? absolutely. is going to take them out first? if you can find them he will. now jinping has a very big america does not want talk abou, this at all. i have huge environmental issues for a decliningwe birthrate, noe they have a declining birthrate one person mentioned this to me, eager to think they are to send young men off to war when they spent a generation building up their only son are they going to send them off to's get slaughtered? they will take time want anytime they want to but it will not be pleasant. it will cost millions to take taiwan for this a very narrow landing area i read a thorough analysis on war between in china. it would not be pleasant.

they do not have nearly the semi conductors were talk about this today that taiwan has. taiwan is a semiconductor chip giant in the world. what happens if japan, the philippines, other countries decide to c chip in and start willing down china's military? i always apply to china but was always applied to russia. china is never as strong as she looks. china is never as weak as she looks. those who both have serious, serious issues. right now we are actually helping the russians by making their oil more valuable. crypto currency is amazing. >> of questions one here, one here. >> i am commander brown of the nine states navy retired. i just have a question.

i watched for example the confirmation on tv. .9% what is it going to take fo this country to have elections where half the people are not pissed off at the end. i hope i'm not a tucson hussein. look at the civil war. lincoln wins with just around 40% of the vote. the greatest president next to washington and american history and he only gets 40% of the ocvote. that's the nature of a democracy that i think. a constitutional republic in madison said you cannot you need

to have factions. of course washington hatedpa h pardon. who do have one faction checking a nether per this is the way people get their ideas out into the public. and yes it has become significantly corrupt a lot of ways over time. oustill i like conflicts. you only get pearls when you get the chafing, right? you let steel sharpens steel. don't think we are all meant to stand around in a circle andut thank him by. berman to get out there, can test our ideas. always be respectful when the other side wins which is not cap in the last 20 years really since reagan they gave up being respectful. but brown does not know what a biological woman is. that is a great.

>> helicopter fan precooked snow i am polish. anyway i want to thank you for writing' the book i'm an old man and got a young son and daughter. i have been pretty depressed. hknowing that we've gone through crab like this before makes me feel we can go through this crab also. that is the one thing for the second thing is are you going to work for trump? a guy with your knowledge is got to work for trump. don't leave it on don and eric. >> if you'd asked me i'd work for him in a minute they really thought he benefited from bannon even other personalities are very much in conflict and he had some problems there. you need people like thatt around. you need people who can tell you now. and you need people who can stand up to you. i would love to work for trump. and i came this close to meeting him two times. w one time was right after the election but before the inauguration i was at trump tower to meet with bannon about

this book. trump had just left maybe 30 minutes before by the next time was in 2017 just before bannon retired and this is the boss or did he said no he just took off so i missed twice. i miss shaking hands with doctor ronald reagan. i was doing an event for ronald reagan at the western white house but it wasch over the hil. many of you been to the ranch? who is been to the ranch? small, right? the whole house is about the size of this room. it's a really small house. you cannot hold a public event said they just don't have the facility for it. they were holding an event at another guys ranch over the hill in concert at the white house. it would have beverly sills of the metropolitan opera was the host. she would host once a month a different musical entertainment act. get the quartet and then this time it wasas merle haggard and

the outlaws. and so they asked the collegers republicans for volunteers and night volunteer course and being an older student at the time i spent the most time in rock 'n' roll i was older than most other students as it were going to give you special job we want you to drive these celebrities after they have been screened up to the venue. so i was in a van with beverly sills and merle haggard andl the outlaws. i get up there and sitting on a hay bale right about here waiting for my next assignment incomes ron and nancy no secret service. i start to get up and i just froze. it's not too long after the assassination attempt. they said we have snipers on all of these hills. i jumped up and they think i'm going to shoot him they will shoot me and he was gone in a flash. i missed my chance to see trump twice and jesse ragan once bragged to get into the white house with president bush theted me into talk about

iraq war and history for an hour and a half that was kinda cool. >> is that qualifies iraq and elsewhere will get to before the end? looks good in the meantime from a question in the rock 'n' roll story. click to follow-up with frank. you end on a good note. like to follow up on a question about the 2024 election with trump. i spoke to a number of people trump supports to tie the truth i flipped over when he came out why michie meant the lobbyists in case we never meant the fbi precooked i don't think we knew how deep it was. i was a little bit disappointed as a number of reasons. i talked to people and i thought about it myself. a lot of people i know of trump supporters or converted trump supporters were disappointed in

the 2020 election and the way he handled it. i can point a couple of things. when he had a first debate between him and biden. i thought he did a horrible job his tactics were verbal and it turned off a lot of people might've been thinking do i want this guy in the basement who can think or do i give trump another chance he just bullied him. and there's january 6 delayed response. one other criticism is, why didn't he anticipate what was happening at then, w election? all of the things. >> moment their lawyers all around the country why did the republican party, trump is one guy. we do have this thing called the republican national committee. they could have been hiring lawyers but everybody saw this coming, people were talking about it. why don't they hiring lawyers and started losses back in january? why is it always on trump heum s

not superhuman. far too often people blame him when in fact we ought to be looking at the rest of the organization what would have happened if every single republican senator and congressman on january 6 had stood up and said we think the election was a fraud.or we went to the vet this before we swear in a president. it is okay will be happy to swear than men. the man unanimously. to check out the fraud. we have had as a lack of support especially on the part of the congressional and senate democrats who have been cowardly throughout this i called patriot date by the way january 6 is patriot dan january 6 patriot day because a bunch of patriots did we all should have done which is demand a recount and demand these things be checked out. let me give youe another measure of hope here. trump didn't do this, trump did

an incredible, he did more in four years than any president in history has done. not even close. one of things he did was appoint all these judges which you can thank for having not having masks on the airplanes yesterday were trump judge. what bannon told me was gorsuch, amy coney barrett and kavanaugh were not necessarily selected for social conservative views. their litmus test was their approach to the deep state and the administrative state and will they help or rollback the administrative state? they asked specifically about the exxon case and how t that ws handled. so time to be think kavanaugh is not voting the right way remember what he is up there to do is to deconstruct the deep state at least in termsg of what trump thought he was bring them into do.

did you mean chevron not exxon? >> chevron. let me leave youom with this. you mention this. do not hang your head. folks we are on the precipice of a massive earth shattering victory. what they want you to do is think it's not possible and think nothing is going to happen. to think mean tweets to think this, that or the other. i am telling you we are on the verge of an earth shattering event. stick your chest out, walk with byour shoulders back we lobstes are going to retake the world january 2024. [applause] [applause] >> thank you larry thank you everyone for being here with us tonight. if you are inspired by that fantastic talk by leary are free to purchase not just as leaders

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