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memoir about his relationship with his mother. >> larry elder, he wrote in your book showdown, black conservatives. continue our conversation until we get that video ready. i do want to read a quote from 3/31/2022. this is from one of your columns. sorry, i don't consider myself a victim of systemically racist, i do believe cops engage in

institutional racial profiling, i reject critical race theory and climatece change. i believe taxes are too high, regulations to severe and government to big. i support secure borders and advocate. >> that's exactly it. this is noe engaging in systemic racism, it is dangerous. there are studies showing that police are more hesitant and reluctant to pull the trigger on a black suspect than a white suspect. the police are not engaging in positive policing. a bunch of bad guys on the street who would be behind bars and those bad guys are committing crimes and killing the people that the people on the left purport to care about. >> have many -- how many books have you written? >> about half a dozen.

my favorite book, my most recent book is about my father. the hardcover is called dear father, dear son. it is the same book. >> tell us about your parents? >> my mother was born on a farm in huntsville, alabama, my father was born in athens, georgia. my father does not know who his father is. my mother came from a prosperous family. during the great depression, they never felt it. they sold chickens and vegetables to their neighbors. they got married in chattanooga and my dad is not biological father is -- does not know who his biological father is. i disliked my father growing up intensely. he was ill tempered, he spanked

us too readily in my opinion and i do not understand why he was so irritable all of the time. unfortunately, my dad started at cafe and i had to work for him. i do not like working for him either. everybody could hear everything and see everything and my dad would yell at me if i do something wrong. i told myself the next time i i would work out. -- walkout. the waitress had called in sick so my dad was there during rush hour with a restaurant for of people, 15 stools, standing room during rush hour, there may have been 30 people there and we had to handle it all by himself. he was steaming. i was laying on my bed and my dad walked in my bedroom and said why did you leave?

i spoke back to my father. i said dad, i got a sick and tired of the way you spoke to me and i am not putting up with the anymore. he paid me $10 a day plus tips. he threw the money at me and did not say anything to make. we did not say anything for the next 10 years. i graduated from high school and i go to college in new england, and to law school in the midwest. i am 25 years old, i passed the ohio bar, the california bar, i am at a big law firm. i am 25 years old. i should be living large, but i cannot sleep. i know that it has to do with my dad. i know that we were not going to be friends. i called my secretary, i told her to cancel all of my appointments and i was flying in. i do not want my dad to prepare for me.

i get to lax and take a cab to the restaurant. i got there at 130 time. walk in with pieces of luggage and he says should i put my luggage there and said i want to give you the highlights. i will call him and and unfair and that i will call him unfair and he will call me ungrateful. despite my best efforts, i spoke nonstop for about half an hour. i told him everett with income every slight, how embarrassing that was, and everything i could possibly tell him and then i was done. i was spent. my father just took it. when i was done my dad said is that it? you do not speak to me for 10

years because of that? let me tell you about my father. i know nothing about my dad's life. i know he was an only child. i met him once. i did not even like him so i did not ask about his life. the first time i saw my father cry he said let me tell you about my father. you know your last name? it is not my father's last name. i never met him. elder is a man who was in my life it was the longest, he could neither read or write. elder was an alcoholic who is physically abusive to me and my mother. he would be me -- beat me. my father came home and my mother threw me out of the house. never to return.

at the beginning of the great depression during jim crow. for the next 8 hours he told me about his life. he became and palo alto california. he can walk through the front door of a restaurant and was shocked he would get served. pearl harbor, my dad would the marines. he said anybody out there knows what i'm going to cite, they go where the action is and they love the uniforms. he was stationed in guam, he was a staff sergeant in terms of cooking for the colored soldiers. he went to restaurant to restaurant and they say we do not hire in words.

need to go through that door, might i got onto the hall, to the same lady was in him out. my dad said this is not set, -- nonsense, i am going to light. he has told you not not have any references. he even offered to work for free just for someone to give him a reference. my dad goes to the unemployment office and asks if he has any thing -- anything. he sat there for a whole day and came back the next day and lady calls him up, i have something. it is a job cleaning toilets. my dad did that for 10 years three hook up, he found another janitor job with another bread company cleaning toilets, my network full -- two full jobs.

he cooked on the weekends. that is why he was so cranky, he never slept. not just a after a day or week, year after year. you do that and you walk into a house with great rambunctious boys, what kind of mood are you going to be in? he is getting bigger and bigger and i am getting smaller and smaller. i am crying. at the end of the eight hours, i sit please forgive me for judging you so harshly. he says you are a kid and you did not know. hard work wins. you get out of life what you put into it. you cannot control the outcome, but you are in control of the effort. what could i have done to change the outcome.

no matter how hard you work, i think is going to happen, -- bad things are going to happen. we had a wonderful relationship and that is what the book is all about. >> this is a tough book to read. >> this is a tough write. it was cathartic. while i was writing it, but i was alive. why did you do this, he was asking why i was writing about his life. as soon as the book was over and my dad died. by a lot, tough, smart, had one year of college. she used to tell people that she had two years. i asked my mother why and she got upset. it bothered her she only had model year of education.

the way up and out was through education and hard work. it is used to correct my grammar. -- she used to correct my grammar. she corrected vin scully's grammar. he said tell me where the ball would have gone -- went. mother corrected him. he says, oh my god. every so often my language is bad. i remember this vividly. we at our old house, we had to be seven years or younger, it was a book of illustrated presidents. we went through every single president and when the book was over she closed it and said someday you could be in this book if you want to. i never aspired to run for office, i have always been interested in politics and public patients but never

political office. i ran for governor of california, i got 150,000 individual donors. in eight weeks when i got into the race, i was trying to be strategic, that is when arnold schwarzenegger got into the race. i do not know if i wanted to do it. i was approached by a lot of people i admire like dennis prager who got me into radio and my pastor. they all asked me to run. i asked normal people like my barber, like the guy who drives me, his name is ed. they all wanted me to run and i said wow, little by little, if not you, who? i felt a spiritual obligation to do it. i did not want to. i thought i could make a difference in california.

in eight weeks we raised $22 million. as a first part is gavin newsom had to be recalled by 50% plus one. had that happened, however got the most votes on the replacement side got the nomination. i carried 57 counties in california. the reason i am telling you all of that is because after i ran for governor, a lot of people thought i would consider running for president. i am giving it some strong consideration. it is not that i believe i will displace ron desantis or donald trump if they want, but i have some things to say. as a breakdown of the american nuclear family.

70 president of black children entered the world without their father married to mother. forget about elder, barack obama says a kid who is raised without a father is more likely to go to jail. the welfare state has in my opinion is advise women to marry the government and is a to abandon their financial and moral responsibility. this is a direct line between that and 85% of black eighth graders cannot read or do math at proficiency levels. they are functionally illiterate. it is a direct line between that and crying. i want to talk about the connection between that and the

welfare state and i do not feel that either party including my party spent enough time addressing that. >> speaking of which, you wrote in 2000 in 10 things you cannot say in america, you are talking about these issues back then. you mentioned that the welfare state is tyranny of the status quo. >> again, it is by far the biggest problem we have in america. there is a book called his father's face. he talks about as a prison chaplain who wanted to improve morale at a prison. he says can you give me 500 mother's day cards for free and they thought it would be a good marketing tool and they did. they go to the present and passes them out and morale did improve. father state rolls around. he goes to the same greeting

card company and ask for 500 father's day cards, not a single inmate wanted to fill one out and send it to his father. if you look at crime, breakdown of the family, there is a direct correlation between the two. >> how did you do when you ran against gavin newsom? >> i had my toughest time with black media. i had a great time with asian-american media, hispanic media, gloria romero, the former democrat senate minority leader crossed party lines and supported me because of the issue of school choice. i had a zoom meeting with 8-10 pastors. everything was going ok until i said that as a pup i -- that the police are not mowing down black people because they are black.

it is not borne out by the studies. they went ballistic. as a number one problem -- i said the number one problem in the black community is the breakdown of the family. i said you guys aren't role models and you are telling me that the number one problem is police brutality? it is not true. we had back-to-back black police chiefs. 40% of hispanic, 3% white, and percent black, the rest are asian americans. that is the representation of the police department. when something happens, you have a bunch of people screaming about police brutality. it is nonsense. take baltimore, a man died in police custody. in comes the obama administration to investigate whether baltimore is engaging in systemic racism.

a month earlier the obama administration gave the award for their 31st policing. they celebrated them. in baltimore at the time, freddie gray droit, the mayor was black. in baltimore, the mayor was black. number one and two people, the state attorney got them. two of them chose to have their cases tried before a black judge, not guilty. united states general at the time was black as was the president. she said how do you complain about the man when you are the man? it's ridiculous, virtually every major city has had a black mayor and black police chiefs, many have or have had superintendent of public schools were black and we are talking about this? it is ridiculous. recently and for love you,

sesame place, i'm sure you've heard about this, an amusementus park. i never heard of it until this happened. one of the muppets charactersts was walking down and high-fiving everybody except these black girls and it turns out there's a lot of times when they high-five white kids and ignoring the black kids and it appears to be something systemic, i don't know. the video went viral and other people began producing video in the park apologized. write a letter and accuses him of systemic racism and demands they hire more black people, undergo activity training they put black t people on the boarde directors, a baltimore family there suit the place for $25 million. i don't doubt maybe there's something going on here but make it to world war iii's thought of

you on track for more homicides in their history. of the public school teachers in philadelphia, 24% are school-aged kids and put the kids in private school. jesse jackson say anything about that there were 13 public high schools in baltimore. 0% of the kids can do math at grade level. only 1% can, that's almost half the schools in baltimore for the kids are 0% get jesse jackson has not said a word about that. some 4-year-old girl whose parents will determine how she reacts to that and write a letter demanding all of this. it's nonsense. if there is a crime against leadership and malpractice, some of these people, my opinion he would be on jack death row.t, >> at what time did you become a

conservative or was it after you left? >> there was no moment. my dad was a lifelong republican. my dad said democrat will give you something or nothing and when you try to get something for nothing, you almost end up getting nothing for something. favorite expression. my mother was a lifelong democrat.ervi when we would get together for ho my dad worked long hours, they would debate politics and my mother because she was better educated but in my opinion, beat him but the older i got, the more i realized my dad was just using common sense and began siding with him so i was never a victim, never felt i was depressed or couldn't do whatever i needed to if i worked hard so that's kind of my orientation so i think when i took college, economics 101 and learned the downside of minimum-wage, it opened me up a

little bit and began reading and watching thomas when i was 13 years old so i was always somebody who never felt like i was a victim but believed in america and hard work but maybes unpopular with some of the kids in high school. >> after university of michigan law school law firm in cleveland, how did you get into the radio business? >> quite by accident, i left thr law firm after about three years and started hunting for law firms which i did for 14 years. the only thing i ever want to do was to be a writer. but i also wanted to eat and i know how difficult it is to earn a living as a writer. law school was a way of figuring out what i wanted to do so i went too law school and when you graduate, he might as well to pray, i went with a big law firm. has very successful in my opinion, i have fond memories of my law firm. it's merged and now it's a huge

law firm. i began writing pieces for the newspaper when i started my firm, is. able to do well enough and had time, i wrote op-ed pieces. i didn't have a deal. in those days young people we have things like envelopes and stamps. i write something and put it in an envelope and send it to the largest newspaper. thank you but no thank you. i must have written a half a dozen. finally theyy published one its about 35 years ago or 40 years ago is it today in america racism is a major problem. he worked hard in the outline my dad's philosophy. they published it and i get a phone call from a producer of a radio show, couldn't have my picture. they said your black? is that i've been told? he said i'm a producer of the radio show and i would like you to talk about it. and i said sure, i've never been on the radio before.i i was on for a whole hour.

now that i'm on radio, that's a long time for somebody who's ever been on. most of the calls were black people and i was called tom boot licking uncle tom and antichrist and all sorts of names. it was the longest hour of my life. i remember driving back to my office and saying i would never do that again. the station actually called and said you were amazing today. i said i was? and he said you have a good speaking voice andoo you defendt with your sense of humor and he said have you ever thought about doing radio? he said i have a guy leaving for vacation. we use it in for him? he said are you married? at the time i was and he said talk it over with your wife and call me tomorrow. i said i will but i won't change my mind. i went home and i told her and she said well, what do you know

about talk radio? i said nothing. they seem shallow and stupid. she said itif is, you'd be goodt it. and after 20 minutes i did, and they heard angels singing. i met some people and dennis prager had me on his show the station manager, george green, he's still with us, he gave me a two day audition and said after the first night he said do you want the job? ... that book is now called what race not to do with it. the next so many sellers were offended by the title and did not carry it. i went to lax to see the book.

the lady, happen to be an asian american lady, i said do you carry stupid black man? she said, no, i was offended by the title. i said i wrote it. she did not care. the reason i called it that was because michel moore had a best seller called stupid white men. this man does not -- this book does not criticize them. don't let them think you are stupid. don't buy into the emotional pool. i thought i could get away with the title. mine had such pushback we renamed it what does race got to do with it. >> you write "who put stuff like this in the minds of so many blacks." sharpton's, clinton's that talk about the unfinished business of

racism in america. the other public figures including sports figures and entertainers all claiming to "keep it real" by stirring the pot, less productive, less proactive and less willing to invest in themselves since they failed to see a hopeful future. >> i wrote that some years ago. if i were to write it today, i would put up the top of the list barack obama. i was in boston 2004 when he was in the arena. there is no blue america, no red america, yeah. it was a great speech, well delivered. i said this man will run for president someday. i was surprised it happened so quickly.ai the first time i saw him interview on 60 minutes, he was not the front runner get on the primary side. he was gaining otherwise they

would not have had them on. steve croft said, senator obama, if you do not win, will it be because of race? i leaned back and thought let's see what this man will say. will you give an answer the way al sharpton does or will he say the truth? what obama said was, no. if i do not when it will because i have not articulated a vision the american people can embrace. i said, hallelujah. i will not vote for him, but at least he will bring us together racially. at least he will stop the nonsense. i watch him give a speech at a black church. again, he was in the senate. he talked about how much racism there was. the generation has gotten us 90% of the way they are. my generation he said, the

joshua generation has to get us 10%. very reasonable. 8% of americans leave elvis is still alive. 8% of the people have to be kind of written off. i thought it was reasonable what he said. what happened. he gets into office, he walks into the oval office, he is at 70% approval even though we only got a little more than 52% of the vote because so many peoplef said okay i did not vote for him, but at least he will bring us together racially. he will stop the nonsense. for the next eight years, he did the opposite. there is a place called ferguson he embrace a black lives matter movement. he invited all started to the s white house over 80 times. he did the opposite of what most people thought he was going to do. when he left, blacks and whites thought they deteriorated under

barackde obama because of that ridiculous rhetoric. last term, second term, two police officers murdered execution style in new york. three killed execution style in baton rouge, five in dallas. all by three different black men. motivated by this live. a light come out the flames of which obama failed along with his ag eric holder. when someone like barack obama, raised by single mom, phd, he goes to harvard for law school, columbia for undergraduate, you are still going, whining about racism, i guess it must be true. eric holder. the ag. probably making minimum 25 and $10 million a year. race card, race card, race card.

he gave a spit untreated -- he gave a speech. ericic holder gave a speech ande said blatant racism, we've got that covered. it is the pernicious racism that we've got to deal with. i read the speech may be one times. he talked about three things. number one was the movement towards voter photo id. majority of blacks support photo id. the supreme court ruled six-three with the supreme court written byec liberal justice. there was an interest by states passing photo voter id. majority of lack support photo voter id. the second example he gave his blacks do commit the same crime

as a white person will give a longer sentence. he quoted the u.s. sentencing commission as a source. what he did not say was the reason for this is the average black criminal has more convictions in the whiteco criminal which judges take into consideration. the third thingai was lack boys are kicked out of schools more often than white boys. also true. he sued the decatur illinois school district years ago when they kickedac out a bunch of blk kids fighting after a football game. they m missed 400 days where thy kicked him out. all white school board. the school board points out inat the lawsuit no matter the race of the principal, the race of the school board, the race of the principal black boys are kicked out more often than white boys.r, this is eric holder, the attorney general giving three examples and that is all you've got? they are all wrong? never been a less important fact

america. i am not saying that they don't have bigots, we know that. however you feel about what derek schober did, zero evidence they did it because george floyd is lack. they never argued he had a racial motive any was not charged with a hate crime. this is one of the reasons why a lot of young black men are notd complying. i would not comply either if i thought the cop pulled me over was going to do me harm. rai am told that by so-called black leaders. i don't have a father in the home to tell me otherwise. my father told my brothers and me that if you are stopped by the cops say yes or no, sir, say yes, ma'am no man. he knew the difference between a man and woman. left hand that 10:00 o'clock left hand at 2:00 o'clock. make sure your paper is in order. you get mistreated, we will deal with it later on. they do hear obama talking about

systemic racism and eric holder talking about systemic racism so why would i not believe it. it made a things worse. i know that he watches notes in depth on c-span. i hope he has heard this. i reached out and tried to have a conversation with him. there is a magazine and they talked about a poll in this magazine where people were self describing peter as very liberal in 2019 how many unarmed lachman do the police kill? half of the very liberal people said 1000. 8% said 10,000. what about regular old liberals? 39% thought the police killed 1000 unarmed black men. 5000% thought 5000. if you are that long headed about what the police are doing, of course you will have a fear of them. why wouldth you want to listen o

them?? a level of propaganda that the left has allowed people to feel because they want their votes. how do you get 95% of people voting the democratic party unless you lie about race relation. a lot of black people feeling things are much worse than they really are. not working as hard as they really are. blacks, hispanics, whites and asians. if you do not do your homework at night, how in the world doe you expect to come out and do well in the marketplace.tw a relationship between how hard you work and what the results will be. all too often, we are told that the reason you are not where you want to be is because someone held you back. nonsense. if someone did not hold myac father back who has every reason to be angry at the world they could not possibly hold you back. knock it off take advantage of your situation. pick up your cards no matter what they are played them to the best of your ability and you can

be successful. the most prominent one on the left, brookings, on the right you had the american enterprise institute, they both say you need to do the same handful of things to leave poverty to get to the middle class. number one, finish high school. one way you can read, write and compete at grade level. don't have a kid until your 20. get married first. get a job, keep a job and if it is a minimum wage job, you will get a raise in six months. avoid the criminal justice system. do not commit crimes. you do those things, you will not beil poor. if you don't follow the formula, there is a very good chance you will be. >> good afternoon and welcome to book tv in-depth program. this is our monthly author : program. we invite one author on to talk about his or her body of work. this month it is author,

talkshow host and gubernatorial candidatel larry elder. beginning in 2000, 10 things you cannot say in america came out. that was followed by showdown confronting bias, lies and interest of the biden america. what race got to do and they came out into thousand nine. originally published as stupid lachman. doubleec standards came out in 2017 in the book we discussed a little bit, a lot like me, a father and son's journey to reconciliation was his most recent in 2018. this is your chance to participate. talk to mr. elder. asking questions about his book, et cetera. if you live in the east and central time zone (202)748-8201. if you want to send a text s message please include your first name and your city if you

would. you can send that to (202)748-8903. plus, we have some social media sites. just remember at tv is our address for the social media sites in case you want to post a comment or question their. earlier today, mr. elder, i pulled up a tweet and this is from a gentleman named cory stewart. mr. stewart asks, ask him real questions like why does he belong to a party that openly courts white nationalist organizations that would like him dead? >> nonsense. this is the donald trump used a racist dog whistle to get elected kind of thinking. 200 switched to votive for donald trump in 2016.

where they attend by some sort of radioactive spider and all of a sudden realized they were racist? the city most voted for trump in 2016, texas. roughly 80%. 85%. shortly after, guess what town voted for its first black mayor in 140 years. texas. it is absolute nonsense. the idea that white people dislike black people to the point where they would put a racist in the white house, there is aks talkshow host, the one tt -- >> chris -- >> no, msnbc. >> i've given you to. [laughter] >> chris matthews. >> left-wing as hell. he wrote a book called hardball where he talked about legal campaigns. sharpp look. he said most white people would never vote for somebody if theyf

thought that they were racist. this is chris wallace. he is to be the press secretary for chip o'neill. >> chris matthews. >> chris matthews. he has a very astute observer of politics. most white people would never vote for somebody if they thought they were racist. it is nonsense. why would donald trump want to be known as a bigot. this guy had known donald trump for four years. he parted jack johnson, the firstt heavyweight champion. fifteen year effort by the documentarian and sylvester stallone. obama did not pardon him. george w. bush did not pardon him trumpeted. a very long sentence for a nonviolent but serious drug offense. he put permanent funding for black colleges on a 10 year basis. he did something called the firststep act. about 1000 wealthy black men had

their sentenced considered and reduced. he pushed enterprise zones to reduce taxes and regulations in these areas to improve the black economy. heup supported school choice whh urban black parent and hispanic enparents want anti-secured the borders in the best way it has been done in decades. why is that relevant for black people? the person doing the more work than anybody else in the country is with harvard. there are winners and losers. big winners are employers who hire people with less money. can push them around because they fear being deported. vegas losers are unskilled black workers living in the city. high school are less and these are people to compete against. one of my friends named peter, black, he said that they are probably 1 million jobs that would otherwise be held by black peoplee because of the presence

of illegal aliens and they put about $2000 worth of downward pressure on their wages every year. donald trump stopped that. the employment prospects fork black and brown people improved. if this guy is a racist, he needs to go back to racism school. >> from the los angeles times, september 4, 2021 "the election of donald trump in 2016, in my opinion, was divine intervention. it was a miracle. he is almost god sent. >> well, who saw that coming? all of these pundits, all of these experts, including me. i said he would not run, if he does, he will get in for a few weeks. the media will slaughter him and he will go back to trump tower. i was shocked at how well he did. i was shocked at the wake he got people to start thinking long and hard about fake news. he secured the borders, as i

said, by talking about the wall when that was considered to be racist. now joe biden is completing parts of the wall in arizona. i think what donald trump did was shake the party up and get themhe to grow some cashews and start standing up for their values. i am a huge fan of donald trump and i campaigned with him and for him. one quick story about him. we are in cleveland in 2016, we are campaigning together at a church. i said to him there's one thing you need to apologize for. this man does not like to apologize. he said i know what you are going to say. what i said about john mccain. i said not at all. you said that george w bush lied us into the iraq war. i said, he did not. there was the commission and the intel waste wrong. zero evidenceo that he lied. the d.c. bureau chief of the

associated press at the time and he publicly said that george w bush lied about the iraqi war. democrats to this day believe he lied us into the war or strong possibility that he did. it is not true. he was shooting at the british and american planes that were patrolled the no-fly zone spirit we know he has chemical weapons because he used them on thehe iranians. i went out a whole list of reasons why we went to war. he never said it again. i learned that donald trump's way ofn. apologizing is to not y the same thing twice. i will take credit for that. >> let's go back to 2021 again and here is the currentth president. >> the last year i got to run against the real donald trump. [cheering and applause]

well, this year, the republican running for governor is the closest thing to a trump clone that i have ever seen in your state. i really meanes it. he is a clone of donald trump. can you imagine him being governor of this state? >> you cannot let that happen. [cheering and applause] >> i think he was referring to you, mr. elder. >> i rather be called the clone of donald trump then the face of white supremacy. another one said my views were white supremacist. biden flew out a campaign with gavin newsom. barack obama cut occurredab

hundred commercial for gavin newsom. bernie sanders did. kamala harris made comments. nancy pelosi did. they all said the same thing. stop the republican takeover. they neverer said gavin newsom s doing a great job on crime because he was not. doing a great job encoding down the state because of covid than any of the other governors. gavin newsom is doing a great job with schools. our schools are ranked near the bottom even though we are spending more than ever before. doing a great job retaining and attracting people to californiae the first time people are leaving california taking their thtax dollars with them.nk i cannot think of anything this man has done well or right and no one even tried to defend their record. don't let republicans take over because republicans are unpopular in california. we are outnumbered three-one. that is how they succeeded. he would not debate me.

i would ask reporters, talk to mr. newsom, have them sit downr and debate the issue. they never did and he never did. when we got into the race, the recall side went into the margin of error. he called out the dogs. all this money came in from the unions, from hollywood, snoop dogg even tweeted against me even though he approves school choice.in they turned the thing around. or oneed shining moment they wee scaredou. >> we were talking before the show, you had some problems coming out here. you ended up going through des moines which was kind of funny. you said you are going back there. >> i'm going back there in a couple weeks for the des moines state they are. a rite of passage. running for higher office. i am giving it a lot of thought. a lot of people have asked me to consider it and it may sound self serving, i would rather not

do it, but for the issues that i want to talk about, school choice, the connection between the breakdown the family and crime, the importance of securing the borders, i am not sure that they are very many people that can speak about these things as passionately as i can. so i want to do that. i believe god wants me to do this. i do conversation with ann carson when i was at cpac a few days ago. he said that i will do what god wants med to do. that is exactly how i see it. that is exactly how i feel.an either patriotic and spiritual want to help the country. if i can do nothing more than tell people of color, knock it off, pick up the cards and play them to the best of your ability and youwi will be just fine in america.e get back to the church. get back to right and wrong. if i could do what i thought obama was going to do but

refused to do, then i will have served my purpose. >> have you been to mar-a-lago? >> i was there for the premiere of a documentary. she talked about all these people going to these drop boxei with stacks of mail in ballots. to influence the election and cleveland, philadelphia, atlanta, detroit, i was there for that and i was therefore another event. i have been there a couple of times. >> have you expressed a viewpoint about running to president trump? >> i have not. since mar-a-lago is when i thought about doing it. i am not afraid to. i frankly feel that the likelihood that obama will be is quite high. what did i say, obama? >> the likelihood of trump getting the nomination is quite high and i am fine with that. i would loudly vote for him or

ron desantis. i have some things i want to say. i have my own lane and i will not say anything critical about him. when i ran for governor, about half a dozen major republicans on the replacement side it i did not say negative thing about a single one of them. i became the front runner right away. we all knew what the issues were. crime, homelessness, the way he shut downn the government for sitting up there at that restaurant not wearing a mask, his own kid was enjoying in person private education. we all knew what the issues were. but i did not say negative thing about them. they did not adhere to that same principle. one of them in particular was a favorite of the republican establishment. the gop did not endorse me. they wanted kevin faulkner. kevin mccarthy wanted him. well, i carried san diego county

by 31 points. the other one that was favored was a guy named kevin and assembly republican, now running for congress. sacramento area. i galvanized the base. when they realize that, the establishment, they did not endorse anyone officially. the guy they wanted was kevin faulkner. my point of telling you that is i'm not out there to trash donald trump. i thought he did a great job as president. he got a raw deal with the hunter biden story. 91% of their stories about donald trump were negative even though inflation was low, the economy was great. no new wars. got us out of the ridiculous iran deal in climate change issue. i thought he did great things. the investigations turned out to be empty. the man was incredibly mistreated. i will not say anything negative about him or ron desantis.

i have some things i want to talk about. most notably the breakout between the family. >> what about the election deniers and january 6? >> well, let me give you a long answer about that. here is what i find here at stating about that whole business of election deniers. there've been numerous election deniers on the democratic side. hillary for four years referred to donald trump as a legitimate and that the election was stolen 57% of democrats believed that russians changed vote tallies to get donald trump elected. a 1000 page senate report looking into the election of 2016. zero evidence that a single vote tally was changed. secretary of homeland security testified under oath. 67% of democrats believed the russians changed vote tallies to

elect donald trump. we do not know whether or not it altered the outcome of the election. we just do not know. a country where there was no interference in a country that was. 78% according to gallup, 78% believe the russian interference altered the election. a greater percentage of democrats believed 2016 was stolen, republicans feel the same way about 2020. the chair of the house january 6 committee, in 2005 he joined with 85,000 democrats because of the allegation thatbe the voting newas tampered with. no evidence, but here he is denying the election in ohio. al gore still to this day believes that the election was stolen from him. as did maxine waters as did

deputy jones. he is undermining the integrity of the public these guys do it and it is not a problem. stacy abrams still says it was stolen from her. terry mccullen when he ran for governor refer to her as a governor of georgia. jimmy carter for crying out loud said he believed the russians put trump into the white house in 2016. former president of the united states same this. they get a pass. never shut down even though she pushed a big lie about 2016. incredibly unfair. now, about donald trump. i mentioned the hunter biden story. 60% of voters they had they known about that story they would not have voted for biden trump wins, not a problem. steve, the election guy at msnbc

says 30,000 votes in three states would've changed the election to donald trump. michigan. the state attorney, secretary of state used covid as an excuse to send it mala ballots to every voter whether they requested one or not. the michigan supreme court did not take up the case leaving the appellate ruling two-one. aa judge filed and said what the secretary of state did was illegal. two-one. the lawsuitna was ridiculous. pennsylvania, all sorts of rules and regulations were broken. including accepting mail-in ballots after the deadline. donald trump filed a lawsuit. voting for obama and allen both thought the lawsuit had merit. he was wrong, but it does show you that there was something there.

wisconsin. voting four-three. the chief justice filed a dissent and among other things they were legal. since then, the supreme court and wisconsin has ruled going forward these drop boxes to be illegal. there was some merit in all of these lawsuits that donald trump filed. rudy giuliani making arguments. famous with what the democrats did. nothing wrong with hiring a lawyer and making a legal argument.sa incredibly unfair. on that day he said i want you to go and peacefully make your voices heard. what part of peacefully and patriotically do you not understand? it plays the rhetoric. fight tofi take back america. fight to take back the country. people say that all the time.

donald trump two days before that, i interviewed the chief of staff of the acting secretary of defense. he said i was in the room when donald trump authorize the use of 20 national guards men and women in the event that they are necessary. it is not my job to deploy them. they have to be requested. that is the job of nancy pelosi in the capitol hill police and they did not request the use of these troops. donald trump authorized their availability. who does that if he is orchestrating a coup, and insurrection. it does not make any sense. i would bet my house that garland, dag, not indict donald trump. if he does, i cousin vinny could get an acquittal. >> let's take some calls for larry elder. bill in florida. tanks for holding on. go ahead with your question.

>> first of all, mr. elder, thank you for taking the opportunity to discuss the very topics. i grew up in private schools. i went with blacks, puerto ricans, graduated with 48 people. i have always believed, my grandfather once told me, he said life is about choices and opportunity. when i was 15 years old, i was on a team program, a dj program and it later propelled me to do work in radio. i could go on and on. i have listened to so much of what you said that you will laugh at this next comment and then i will ask my question. the only thing i thought donald trump did wrong when he came down the tower, diarrhea of the mouth. if he had cleaned up some of what he said, and i voted for

him, i want to know your comments on horses and opportunities and why is it that you think so many people do not want to do that. they want somebody else to tell him what to do. >> all right. we've got it will. >> i think that a lot of people are afraid of freedom. if you do not get what you want, it is on you. look in the mirror. that scares a lot of people. regarding choices, quick story, bill, i am on a sailboat in lake erie. one of my buddies had a sailboat. i am on there with a bunch of other people. one guy, happen to be white, 25-30 years old is complaining to me about his job. hated hisan boss, hates his job. i said, what are you going to do about it. he looked like somebody hit them in the head by a two by four. are you going to complain about your job are you going to do something about it.

twenty years later i get a letter from him. dear larry you may not remember this and then he provided me with what m happened on the boa. he started his own business. he became a multimillionaire. never been happier. had you not slap me in the face and told me i needed to take responsibility, who knows what i would have done. life is all about opportunity. promise of gain and fear of loss is whatwh motivates most people. doing nothing and procrastinating is quite easy for people to deal. it is up to us to pick up our cards and place them again to the best of our abilities. >> jim in wyoming. good afternoon. >> i have been enjoying your show today. i just wanted to ask you, i actually had given up on california and left. i was wondering, larry, if you are interested in running again

seeing you did so well in the recall. you sure made a big impact. >> before we get that answer, give us your california experience. where did you live and why did you move and why. >> i was born in tahoe but i lived in sacramento. lived there my entire life. i lived there until 2020 when i got an opportunity to move. it is a beautiful state. i met my wife there, a lot of great things. tired of the taxes, tired of the people raising the taxes on themselves. i justnd decided i needed to moe somewhere else. just curious. >> thank you. >> thank you for that. in 2003 there was a successful recall of a democrat governor. arnold schwarzenegger became governor. now 5% more registered democrats

50% more registered independents in california vote democrat. 33% viewer registered republicans. steel i ended up getting 49% of the replacement vote as did arnold schwarzenegger. that is daunting. twenty years statewide. by the way, when the race was over, a lot of the major rivals grumbled that had larry not done this or done that or had he done this or done this he would've one. i told a reporter, they were all sour grapes about how the campaign went i said let's find out how many people run against gavin newsom when he runs for reelection come this november. if they know what the secret sauces, i am sure that they will jump in and run against him. not a r single one did it the person that won the primaries, no name recognition, no money, i

got 2.5 million as i said before. the math is daunting in california. i can understand why people are giving up on california. a magazine that's been around for 17 years. asking ceo what is the best data what is the worst. based on taxes and regulations and whether the state has business friendly. voted the number one state for 17 consecutive years. california being voted the worst. elon musk left. then schapiro left. dave rubin left. a lot of people are leaving and they are taking the taxes within. leave elon musk alone. telling you about two and a half alien dollars in taxes. in california 13.3% state income tax. not just one year, but every single year this man is in business. sooner or later the state will hit rock bottom and then and only then do i think they will rethink their hostility towards

republicans. it will be very daunting for any republican to land office statewide. >> have you considered leaving? >> i have not. i was born and raised there. if you bought a house in the 80s in california, you've got a lot of money in equity. my first house i bought was in 1986. i bought another one in hollywood hills.ty i've got a lot of equity in my house. i was born and raised there. b into school there. dsmy pastor is there. i don't want them to chase me out of the state. t.i would like to stay there and fight to take it back. if i can't do it at that level may be a national level. >> what is a reaction to you in hollywood these days since running for governor and et cetera. >> hollywood is an interesting area. left-wing held.ho 90% go to democrats. it was pretty clear that i was a

serious write to gavin newsom, an article in the hollywood reporter about how gavin newsom called out hollywood. the underlying people in hollywood, the normal people in hollywood, i go somewhere and they look both ways. i cannot let anybody know how conservative i am otherwise it would not work that i voted for you. i wasfo at my house one time, hd a knock on the door. it was a scout locator. we would like to use your property for catering services. we negotiated a deal to do that. a movie with annette benning. i was sitting on my porch watching this be filmed. nobody could possibly hear the conversation did six months later he calls my radio show. you remember me come on the guy that came to your house. i have not worked since then. they found out that i knew you, they knew that i'd like to otherwise i would not have come up to you.

i have not worked since it. i can give you story after story like that. i had a judge show. best judge show. they should every update after the first year, they did not. the guy that designed my set, he was so gifted the rnc asked him to design their set for the convention that year. heve did it told me he did not work for two years. he said i'm yay, left-wing, a democrat but because i worked on that set, they thought i was republican and when i told him that i was not they thought i'd somehow committed some sort of moral scent by working on the rnc. that is how intolerant the tolerant community of hollywood is. >> enter your question or comment for larry elder. >> thank you to book tv -- everything. i have been waiting to talk to

you. i live here in louisiana. i don't know if your member guy named louis armstrong. >> are you kidding? greatest trumpeter ever. >> louis armstrong said this is a racist city he had ever been and he was never coming back. he never performed again and that shows how racist this places. what i want to shy hundred say to you as an african-american, i left the democratic party a long time ago. i am 67 years old. i used to work with oakdale. high came in after the riot. i told them i wasn't going to tolerate that stuff. they eventually brought aou blackboard and down here and said i threatened to kill a warden. you are right, if you go to jail, you cannot do anything. i've been trying to clear my name and stuff.

i want to salute you. when you told that story about your father being a tough marine and stuff, that really sent chills through my bones. i was a military police officer also. >> thank you for calling in. mr. elder, any comments? >> thank you for the love. it's not being fun being called a coconut or oreo. if that's what it takes so people can appreciate the freedom that we have, there is a reason why cubans are facing shark infested waters to get here. it is nonsense. if that is what it takes, find. little by little i can tell i'm making a difference. i was giving a speech once, often when i'm invited to give speeches most of the audience is white. every now and then a handful of black people. not because of a secret handshake, they just do not

come. i'm giving the speech in the black man in the back, i would say something and he would shake his hand like this. i'd say something and he would shake his head. i thought this guy's going to kill me. it's over and he walks up to me. he says i'm really angry at myself. i had no idea 70% of black kids were born out of wedlock. i had no idea there was a 50% dropout. i had no idea that they have criminal records. the percentage of abortions being performed. i had no idea about the level education achievement. i thought i was well-informed. he named a couple of outlets. now i will start opening my mind and start reading your material. uthank you for waking me up. >> some of those convictions, drug convictions, are those fair? >> i always felt that the warm

drug should be fought not as a criminal justice issue. it's okay for somebody next-door to have a martini but you have a joint nu committed a crime, i've always had a problem with that. i always thought that we should approach it a different way. >> mr. elder you mentioned it's tough to be called uncle tom, as you said. >> i've gotten so used to it now i go a few days without being called that in i wonder what i did wrong. >> you have a website. we want to show a little video lfrom that website. table ♪ >> when you look at these pictures, you get a sense of what black life is like. >> clearly operating the lives

of black americans. >> black folks had integrity. >> we were never taught that we were not americans. we were raised with love for america. >> people trying to rewrite history. >> the american people know that these names have to go. >> whenever you have something to be proud of, people have less of a chance of controlling you. >> top to bottom or right to left. anti-blacks. there is no country in this world that a black earth and would rather be unless of course they grew up in this country.

then it feels like a live. the reason that that light exists is power. >> there are people that are using the negro in order to establish that power in washington. the negro is nearly upon in a game that is bigger than them. ♪♪ >> larry elder. that is the trailer to the sequel. uncle tom to. uncle tom one came out in 2020. the rule of thumb here in hollywood, three-time your films cost you got hit.

eyes i could have produced it. brilliant director and cowriter. along with writer and shadow jackson helped to write it as did i. all about the way the left, socialism, civil rights movement and created a legitimate quest for equal rights and equal results. it is all about the endgame black lives matter. these are people that are trained marxists. their reason for the civil rights movement for all these pastors that believed in these values. what we have done over the years as we have replaced god and family with government. that is what uncle tom one and two are all about. you can see uncle tom one for free. you can preorder uncle tom to which comes out on august 26.

i am enormously proud of the work. for all the people out there, just do this. just go read the reviews. hundreds of reviews. it sounds as if i wrote them myself. open myst eyes. i did not know this. one time said if there is a city withth 30% blacks, the percentae of executives in that company should be 30%. what? 13% black, 13% nba players. ridiculous. the movie, the first one somebody said is a love letter to america. the second movie is a dear john letter. people like black lives matter who are manipulating black people for power. the way you are able to get that many people to vote one way and not talk about crime, not talk about education, not talk about

work opportunities is because of this lie that america's systemically racist. that is the democrat party. uncle tom one and two are trying to undo that damage. >> let's go back to calls. david, please go ahead. >> what is critical race theory and what does it mean to him? >> what does it mean to you, david? >> i don't know. that is why i am asking you again. >> that's a very good question. i am not sure either. i know the opponents are trying to tell young white people that they are oppressors. everything in america that you find you are not happy with can be explained because of race and racism. unequal outcomes can be blamed because of race and racism. 87% of blacks lived below

poverty. 87%. twenty years later 47 presented. forty points in 20 years. before the civil rights movement , 64, 65. why, strong families believe inw god. >> what is it today? do you know offhand? >> around 20%. it 2 is always been about twices high. it was falling steadily. then it began leveling out and it's been that way since. the government has not done anything. the government stayed out of it. >> jim out of california. good afternoon. >> good afternoon. thank you for taking my call. fascinating listening to you. i live in an area that is very beautiful. i live in the southern crs.

i love it. the area and many of the people that i know many of the areas around me are areas of deep deep poverty. i would estimate lower 10-15% of the populace. mainly white, native american, hispanic american. it is a very poor area. what i see the problem is that i don't think anybody cares about these people. since the 60s, the rate has not gone down. i'm not sure it has anything to do with party. i live in kevin mccarthy's district. he has not done a bad job, in my opinion. i don't really think that republicans care about people at the lower in. the democrats don't care about them much either. there more worried about making

sure we have credits and things liker this and solar panels on houses. i know a lot of people, i know some people that have no housing. i know a lot of people that are in substandard housing. >> jim, we will get an answer to that, what you had to say in just a second. the recall election, did you support larry elder? >> i supported the recall of gavin newsom. >> thank you, sir. >> dodged the question. [laughter] >> if i that you mean that people don't care about the results of the money being spent on antipoverty programs, he is not wrong. $22 trillion on anti-poverty programs. on the caring part, a guy named arthur seabrook's. you interviewed him. >> he's been on this program.

>> he was at the time a student at syracuse. he was not raised as a conservative. no one has ever done a study. we just assumed liberals were. he was shocked. researched several times and found out that it was not even close.mo far more money, far more time, far more blood than liberals. religious liberals gave as much money as conservatives did just fewer of them. welfare, the poor should be helped one-on-one through organizations, not through government. they talk the talk and walk the walk. >> i'm doing a documentary. liberals are more generous than conservatives. turns out the opposite. not even close. this is a narrative that has been pushed by the left and a lot of people believe. if government got out of thet

welfare business and allowed individuals to do it, i think we would be in a much better place now. >> i am reading a quote from you in 2001. the republican party professes to support limited government while expandingng it. at least the democratic party makes no pretense of adhering to the founding fathers version of a limited government. >> that is why i support a convention of states. there should be a limited constitution so that government, expansion would be limited to a percentage of the gdp. exception for war and finance. the government gone bigger under president republican and democrat. ronald reagan came in campaigned with the promise to shut down the department of education. when he left it was bigger than it was before. under george w. bush we have a program because you need healthcare for kids. under both parties, even during

donald trump's campaign. in 2016 he said we need to replace obamacare with something better. one government program is better than another government program. the way to replace obamacare is with free markets. more competition. competition improves everything. improves the quality and makes it more successful. this is inherently inefficient. that is why our healthcare system is not as good as it could be. >> next call for larry elder. demetrius and los angeles. go ahead. demetrius hung up. i am sorry. frank butler tennessee. >> hello, larry. you are a breath of fresh air. mike quick question would be this. who would be the quick pick of your next book? >> the topic of your next book. >> i'm thinking about writing

one about my mom. i call her the chief justice. she camete on the program every friday for one hour. i asked my dad to come on the radio. my dad is a man of few words. utwhen he speaks, they count. i coaxed him to come on. he did not want to do about finally he agreed to do it because i leaned on him. my dad's whole theory about who gives better tips. white people, black people, men, women. he says the person that tips the best are white men.ic especially if they are overweight. don't ask me why. the worst tippers are black females. he could look at you when you walk into his restaurant to tels what kind of tip you are going to leave. dad, who is better tippers? blacks or whites. my dad goes, you know, i don't

think we can generalize. i said, dad, who gives better tips, and or women? >> i don't think you can generalize. the longest 15 minutes of my life it i get on the phone and say what are you doing to me? he said i don't want to offend people. put mom on the phone. and she said you should've asked me in the first place. she was a country woman who had good common sense. a kennedy democrat. she voted twice for george w bush. would not change the party. but she felt that the democrats had gone off the reservation and she could no longer support them >> when did viola and randolph pass? >> my mom died about 15 years ago and my dad died 10. the second time i saw my father cry was when my mother died. they were wonderful.

i once asked, must've been 10 years before they died. i was at the kitchen table. >> i don't know if you can see it over here.w. larry, can you see that? >> i said, mom, dad, what did you guys do on your first date. my mom looked at my dad and my dad looked m at my mom, i said u guys don't remember. what was dad wearing? >> what was mom wearing? [laughter] >> you have lost a brother as well. >> i did. september 13, 2019. he was my best friend. he was at his computer at 5:00 o'clock in the morning. friday the 13th. had a heart attack and died. he and my sister-in-law plan to go to hawaii for his birthday and he died. about sixou or eight months aftr

that, their youngest son, my nephew named eric was found face dead in his apartment had a heart attack. i believe that it was grief from the death of his father. my poor sister-in-law lost her husband and her youngest son. and she is still having difficulty with it. h she is in a support group of people that up lost loved ones. she goes regularly. she is in nursing. works really hard. she is reallyal sweet. i adore a her. what a one-two punch. >> leo is in san diego. you are on with larry elder. >> hi, mr. elder. nice talking with you. my question would be, please correct me at the end of this, correct me if i'm right or wrong. prior to the election i started receiving mail for three japanese people. i live alone.

i started receiving phone calls, textfr messages from democrats asking me to vote for people and they called my name delta. my name is not doug. and then i found out that a young man in los angeles was pulled over with the hundred dallas, a gun and some booze and money. that made me wonder what is going on. so i looked into it. i come to find out that gavin newsom hired approximately 20,000 ballot harvesters to collect ballots. so then i looked a little farther and i called my county board of supervisors. what i found out was that the entire election for the entire united states was based on the 2010 census. dead people, the three japanese people that i'm talking about, they are all dead. we found out that they are dead.

>> let's see what mr. elder has to say about those. >> there were a lot of allegations made during the recall election. all of a sudden the recall, a lot of people thought that that was an anomaly. i never said that the election was stolen. i never made that argument. we need to get back to voting on the dayay of the election. the only people that should be voting with mail and are those that are disabled. it makes $0.00. too much possibility of fraud. we want to get back to people feeling confident about the elections. one of the republicans on the january 6 committee recently said if half the electorate believes -- we cannot have a democracy. >> as i said earlier, any democrats believe that about 2016. the way to get that back is make sure you have voter id.

vote in person the way you did when i was a kid. the only reason people would have mail imbalances if they will not be in town that day. that is the only way, in my opinion to make them secure enough to give people the confidence they should have. you don't have this mail in ballot stuff in europe. >> larry elder, you talked about going to iowa to the iowa state fair. potentially exploring the presidentialte world. if somebody picks up your book the 10 things you cannot say in america or show down or gracein got to do with it, is there anything you have written where you are like, oops, i wish i would notsa have written that. >> i cannot inc. of anything. i have reviewed some of my stuff in preparation for your interview here. i forgot i said that. i need to start saying that again. no, i am pretty happy with it.

i think i would have emphasized the importance of secure orders more. but, no, the country has gotten bigger and bigger in terms of government intrusiveness. i was on fox news once. the government took less than 10%. takes about 35%. when you add a value, the government takes half. i get a phone call from a fact check organization. government at all three levels held less than 10%. is there a source for your assertion that right now they take about 35%. i gave my source. is there a source that if you put a value to unfunded mandates the government takes almost half of what the american people produce. >> i had a little meter right in the center. elder was right.

government is all three levels. less than 10% elder was right. about 32%. w when elder says we put a value mandated is almost half. of course it is objective. comments from ucla, he said elder understated the amount. other foundation put the number of 50%. assume, complaining about this one time, leaving the senate he started a bed and breakfast. it went bust. this is a democrat candidate in 1972. it went bust. he wrote of peace about it any set i wish i would've known how difficult it was to run a business. i would have been a senator. it makes it difficult to make a profit. hello. h one of them was he was forced to put a security system at his bed-and-breakfast. they wanted him to put one on

that was more expensive than the one he needed. does that add value to the business when you say that it is a mandate? it cost us the party would have gotten versus the party had to take.er there are some objective things that are involved in it. i agree with that. i was so angry with the article that i contacted the two fact checkers. i said you said elder was right on this one, i was right on that one, i was wrong on this one. how come i did not get two thirds right. is it new math? not that much i regret. >> where can people hear your show? >> epic tv.com. it is on cable. and in l.a. it is on spectrum. you can find out where it is in your area. we also put up x her on youtube. i am urging all people to go

online. it is like $9 a month. a lot of programming. a documentary on january 6 that came out that i thought was pretty powerful for those of you that have been watching for january 6 committee hearings. this is another perspective, another point of view. >> you still do your daily radio show? >> i don't. first time in 30 years i've not done a daily radio show. >> do you miss it? >> i do. i am really enjoying my tv show. i have been flying around the country to help candidates take back the house. campaign for school choice. support initiatives for strong families. i needed a little bit more flexibility to do that. being on the radio would not have allowed me to do that. i'm having a good time. uncle tom to comes out on january 6.gu i have a documentary i'm working

on the and i am writing a bookto about the gubernatorial campaign. coming out sometime next year. >> barry. tampa. good afternoon. you are bond with mr. elder. >> how are you doing. so many segments. just give me a minute. okay. i live down south. okay. i am an atheist. neither a republican or democrat. okay. i believe that there is a lot of uninformed voters and citizens of the united states. i do not prescribe to one particular party. i really don't like labels. i find that you can be all of these things on a particular topic. the uncle tom comments that they make about you, strictly saying you always need someone on the inside as well as the outside.

don't worry about the uncle tom thing. people have a problem with educated black men did not know how to communicate. on that note right there, my problem with california is the homeless problem. one of the richest countries in the world and yet the homeless problem is getting out of hand. i am in the process of writing a book. the failures of capitalism. i believe certain things should' not be for profit. healthcare, education and incarceration. being the number one superpower in the world. you cannot have stupid people. you cannot have sick people. you don't have a way, no type of attitude to real form prisoners if you make the money off of them. >> barry, we got that point.

tell us very briefly about yourself. >> like i said, i am from the north. i live in the south. there was a point where could not understand why black people were republican. once i did my research, if you notice history of the parties i and how they switched, i understand whyar they are black republicans because if you are from the south democrats for the potty hundred party are slave owners. i think the democrats have used the card. the republicans -- >> barry, we are going to leave it there. i was hoping to find out more biographic information the homeless and then writing a book about no profit for healthcare education and incarceration. >> you are quite right. the wealthiest country in the world. most of the people that are

homeless have until problems. are alcoholics or they are addicted to drugs. i talked to doctor ben carson when i was running for governor. he talked about a plan that he had in the trump administration had a second term. they already had it ready to go. on federal land, the same regulations and rules you had another land.es able to cut a deal with a lot of low cost and low housing. they told me that the bear was on board of l.a. even governor gavin newsom was on board. plenty of money to treat people. they would treat people first and then they would be offered opportunities to live on federal property in these houses that would be built. ben carson belief that most of the homeless people would take up people on their offer and then be willingly relocated to these areasea where federal property is. we had to do something, though.w it has gotten worse and worse.

two-term mayor. he promised to end the homeless problem in san francisco before the end of his term. it is worse than ever. he pounded the desk and complaint he had nothing to do. i suggested that maybe he just wanted to fulfill his campaign promise. it is only gotten worse. it is a spiritual problem. a direct relationship betweenns the family and the large number of people that are homeless. we can address this by dealing with their mental illness, alcohol and giving them a place to go.og >> south barry connecticut. please go ahead, roger. you are on book tv. >> thank you so much. i think that you are outstanding. i have a couple of comments to make and then i will ask a question. here is one of my comments. chuck schumer on may 7 stated a

passionate plea before congress commemorating the beating of john lewis coming over the bridge. they always conveniently forget to mention the fact that he was beaten by democrats. the second thing, i have a daughter, she does not understand the history. in 1969, luisa day hicks and the democrats of boston greeted the children on buses with bricks. they threw them at the buses and children as well. the last thing that i'm going to say, i am trying to be brief. in 1854 writing an essay,

slavery in massachusetts. then dsa, he said he admonished the democrats because they were the slaveholders. he admonished the press because they were sympathetic to the democratic clause. he said that the press with few exceptions is corrupt. if my math is correct that is 168 years ago. my question to you is, and i know you are doing your best and so iso vince allison, how do we communicate the history of what has happened to the black community. >> you know what, roger, we are going to have to leave it there. thank you for that. >> that's why did uncle tom and

uncle tom to.rt you are quite right. there was no republican slaveowners. they went nuts. they found some republican slaveowners. out of the 400,000 in the census m, maybe six or eight of them may have been republicans. even though it started out as democrats. the republican party was a party of jim crow. i did not say the democratic ready but the democratic found the kkk. george wallace segregation now, segregation tomorrow, these were all democrats. born, raised and died democrats. all of a sudden in the 60s they switched sides. all of the democrats that voted against it, how many of them switched and became republicans. two. outside of that they were born democrats and they died democrats.

a party of individual responsibility, hardware, family and god. i am urging all of the blacks to take a good hard look at the history of the democratic party. what they have done with welfare to essentially attack the black family and replace the government with god and family. a different kind of slavery is being pushed by democrats versus the actual slavery that they used to push. >> bruce's in almonte california. go ahead, bruce. >> hi. how are you doing. mr. elder, why did the republicans treat hillary clinton so bad? what was the deal about biden'sh son? what was the deal about donald trump's -- 22 people in his cabinet convicted of some kind of conviction. what is up with that?

>> we are going to leave it there unless you have a comment. >> i have no comment. >> yeah. okay. neal, prescott, arizona. you are on the air. >> i try to be an economist in high school. when i was asked to join the black panthers, the kid did not understand what that meant. i was asked to join the ira and the kkk. everyone should know of course that they are all democrats. almost the into death because my partner was a black guy on the harley chopper. almost beat to death. my grandfather rented the first black family in compton his big house. he was an irish cop. people don't understand the history of california and what happened with democrats and

republicans and of course i was in the business of firearms. i sold guns. the whole idea that the first laws were against wax. as mr. elder knows, everyone is equal under god so everyone should be under the second amendment equal. >> that is something you write about. the gun laws. >> the worst supreme court decision ever -- chief justiceal talked about if we ruled that black people are anything other, they could get guns. lord knows what they would do as revenge on their former slaveowners. being the economist is not uncommon. even after the university of chicago and stun -- studied under these guys.

the impact of the minimum wage. he came back and said it destroys jobs. milton friedman said probablynt the most anti-black law in the statue books. he found out that they did not care. that got him rethinking about his ideology. my good friend david hurwitz wrote a book called radical son. used to work for black panthers. began to realize what was happening and what people were saying and how it was hurting people. he did a complete 180 and now is a very conservative activist with a think tank. >> you mentioned tom soul. -we ask every author that comes on this program their favorite book and what they are currently reading. here is what larry elder told us. the fountainhead, catcher in the rye, of human bondage, somerset mom, all parts of the hundred

vanities, free to choose and every book by thomas soul. what is your relationship to him. >> i met him because of you. i met him because of c-span. i had a four hour a day radio show. c-span came in and said we want to broadcast your show live. i was on for four hours. i get a letter. dear larry. my wife and i watch the entire four hours. you were magnificent. you claimed free-market principles. you talked about the importance of education and family. i am a fan. are you kidding me. that's like getting a letter from elvis or babe ruth. i wrote him back. we became very good friends. we have been good friends ever since then. i was invited to his 80th birthday. >> we will show some of that

1996 video when we played it live. >> if you would. ♪♪ the larry elder contract with america is as follows. number one, 15%, no deduction. let's call it the let's make tax lawyers and lobbyists endangered species act. reduce government by approximately 80%. less than 2% of americans are farmers yet the department of agriculture still adds more bureaucrats. what exactly does the small business administration do anyway other than loan money that default far greater numbers than the sector would have to tolerate it.t. and welfare. i am talking about the welfare with the small w and welfare with a big w.

the small w the one that we typically think as welfare. middle-class entitlement program and them. >> larry elder, there you are 26 yyears later. >> a little less hair now. >> i don't want people to get the wrong idea about welfare. we should help them in a way that doesn't make them h dependent. there is a book that a lot of people read called democracy in america. we also wrote one called memoirs. he was able to travel around the world when people did not do a lot of traveling. the greatest number were in england even though england is the wealthiest state. even with the first date no questions asked welfare. creating more dependency. he said i don't know the formula. helping people without making

them dependent. doing itit the way government ds no questions asked is not the route. this is something people have been struggling with for hundreds of years. >> larry elder is reading don't turn this country by dave rubin. inflation by steve "forbes". all of which have been covered on book tv. david, thanks for holding. st. petersburg florida. please go ahead with your question or comment. >> oh my gosh. i get to talk with the great larry elder. a good friend of mine went to michigan with you. he ended up being a cbs correspondent. his major was journalism. one time we were sitting there watching you on tv. he said that you were the same as youou were when he was in school with you in the 70s. this guy has never changed. you are very articulate.

i respect your candor. your christianity. my question is, like what you just said about welfare. jfk said j that welfare was a handout, not take handout. just different things. i want to know if you believe this, too. if they did not talk about racism so much and stoke it, do you think we would be having thisng subject all the time? i just think that it is so sad that it is common sense some of the stuff that they do up there is just beyond crazy. how do you get by every day dealing withha that? >> all right, david, we got the point. tank you, sir. >> he said this years ago regarding the welfare. fdr, the father of the new deal

even said welfare was a social narcotic. the ideasas to get to people toe independent and self-sufficient. there was a poll done in the l.a. times. people on poverty were asked, do you believe that welfare programs are a stepping stone towards independence or are they a crutch that create the pendency? 41% called it a crutch. 39% said it the other way. the same question was asked. these are people on welfare telling you a large number has taken away the initiative. causing them to be less self sufficient. >> conservatives in hollywood. heavy ever spoken with them? >> there is an organization. the name of which i will not cite of conservatives in hollywood. it started out very small. now there are literally hundreds

of people we get together from time to time and talk. there are more people in hollywood that are conservative under the radar than you know. a lot of them are people that you know quite well if people knew their politics they may not be as popular. >> that is how oppressive this is. i will give you a quick example. my girlfriend of around 20 years as a recovering act as. she knows a lot of people in the field. now she is an interior designer. she does very well. one of them visitor from michigan and brought her daughter. this 13-year-old gorgeous gorgeous girl. done a great deal of work. the idea what you need to come to hollywood where there are real chances. they are in the room talking. i was doing something else. they were going to have a meeting with one of the other major agencies in hollywood.

you have to be with one of the major agencies if you are going to make it. i overheard the mother say she would vote for donald trump 2016. i got up and i went to the room and i said i overheard you. are. are you a trump supporter. she said yes. do not mention this. she said why.i you don't know anything about hollywood, do you. one of the most intolerant areas in the t world. do not mention that you support donald trump. trust me. the girl, by the way was hired. the mother thanked me. the0 first 10 minutes they completed each other's sentence on how much of an sop donald trump was. if he had not told me i would've said the wrong thing at the wrong time. they would not have hired her. >> please go ahead with your questions or comments. >> hello, larry. how are you.

listen. i was just curious. i have been following you for years. i was just wondering why you have not been any top -- >> such as what? >> breakfast club. both channel news shows. i have been watching you on youtube. i cannot find one single interview you have done with the black american talkshow host that is not conservative and i am just curious why. >> ind had a debate with martin before the election. i've been on the show a couple of times. i also interviewed with him on his radio show. he owns a radio station in l.a. i was on that show. by and large, i have to be invited. i have invited jesse jackson to come on my radio show 50 times. al sharpton won't do it.

joy reed, has she invited me on her show? i think during the campaign she did, but recently did not do it because of too many other things. i would be happy. all they have to do is invite me. >> larry elder you spent 25-30 years on radio where people did not see your face necessarily. what is your anonymity level? >> these days i cannot go anywhere without someone recognizing me. airport, hotel. i was in des moines as you mentioned earlier yesterday and someone came up to me. i am sitting at a counter eating by myself. a gentleman to my left, two people to my right. the one to my left said mr. elder i did not want to say something to you, but i am a huge fan. he was in the army. we had a long conversation. eat your food, it's going to get cold. how often will have a chance to talk to larry elder.

the couple next to me also knew who i was. they did not say anything m because they did not want to be rude. we all took textures. that is a level right now. despite that, though, right before the election was over i was under 1 million followers on twitter. since then i've lost about 30,000 followers even though my footprint has never been bigger. my channel on youtube, got about 575 followers. i have another one and it stopped. there is no question that conservative commentators, conservative pundits are being shafted by facebook, instagram and twitter. i am an example of that. your question is what is your level, i don't have a level anymore. everywhere i go, somebody says something. often i've been asked about unpleasant people.

in my 30 years of being a public figure i have had maybe 10-15 encounters where someone says something really nasty and vicious. .... .... and insult you or are too polite to do that. i can with that. host: for the past two hours, our guest has been author and talkshow host larry elder. we appreciate your time here on book tv. guest: thank you for having me. host: welcome, dr. burks.

i'm going to call you debbie. just you know, i've known you for you know, many decades. we've all known you in in the public health field and it's a real, you know privilege for me to. be here with you to you know to talk about your brilliant new book. i want to just you know start simply. you know explain the title silent