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meeting with the governor, members of congress, giving a talk, it's going to be great but the best part is that i will be able to fly without a facemask for the first time in two years. so in recent times, figured out the best way to deal with that is to bring a few lollipops, a tootsie pop can last a good 20 minutes. but anyway it is wonderful to see although i haven't been at one of these meetings and while. had been with heartland for 20 years and to see so many familiar faces and some new faces and looking around here to see a full house, you really lift our spirits, when people are in the building, giving up your free time here on an evening when you could be home doing whatever else, tells us we are having an impact so thank you so much for being here and wonderful to see. i was able to talk with most of you personally before we started and that lifted my

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especially fired up for this talk for quite some time. our speaker just wrote about, "dragonslayers: 6 presidents and their war with the swamp," as much history as governance. i purchased the book, not quite through with it yet. it is a compelling narrative, 1/4 of the speakers, i'm going to turn this over to you for a more formal introduction, wonderful to see you. >> usually i'm so loud, that works, fantastic. i swear we tested all the stuff dozens of times today and it always goes wrong when the cameras go. i want to welcome you, might have noticed a big camera in the back, these are our friends from c-span here to record this for posterity and also on our live stream. thank you everybody watching live stream as well. we will get to it and introduce our fantastic speaker tonight,

the second or third time larry has been here at the heartland institute but he is a native arizonan who graduated with a ba in political science and put the degree to use by going on the road with several rock bands. he switched gears again in 1976, then got a phd from university of california santa barbara and the university of dayton for almost 20 years and actually taught every single grade from seventh through college. that is fantastic. he is the co-author with michael allen of the patriots history of the united states which is in its 31st printing, half a million copies in print. that book actually remains the best-selling homeschool history

textbook in america and it is an antidote to that book, people's history of the united states. in 2019 he had a website which is available and is a full curriculum for us and world history for 8 through 12 providing full lessons with video instruction by larry schweikert himself. 's other best-selling books include 7 events that made america, handsomely displayed on this table, all of these pooled from the maser library of freedom at the heartland institute so 7 events that made america, how trump won which he authored before the election completed before the 2016 election, patriots history of the modern world in two volumes and last time he was here he presented reagan:the american president from 2018. easier to talk about his latest bestseller, "dragonslayers: 6

presidents and their war with the swamp". please welcome to the stage larry schweikart. >> great to be back here especially in a room dedicated to andrew breitbart. i only had a few occasions to meet andrew but one of them was he went way out of his way to introduce me to the hollywood community. he brought me out, hosted a wonderful state dinner for such people as adam baldwin, ben schapiro, many other people and it was nice of him to do that so i am always grateful to andrew for leading the way and interesting you mention the raccoons because in ohio in our home, we had a nice big yard with a picket fence, and the dog was going crazy and there was a raccoon with its head stuck between tent flaps.

i didn't tell my students, i walked back to the garage and got a big shovel and walked out and i smacked the slide in the fence and freed that raccoon so he could run off. so anyway for those of you who don't know me, everything jim says is more or less true. i ended up teaching at the university of dayton in 1985 and wrote a number of books that are not here tonight because they are boring, they are academic books that make for good footnotes and so forth but not great reading and i wanted to write books that people would read so around 1999 or so i started work on a textbook, we want to the book we could use in our classes that wasn't horribly biased so

we ended up writing a book that would come to be patriot's history of the united states and never thought we would sell it to a publisher. we thought it would be sold out of the back of a van like patrick - plastic straws in california. patriots history of the united states, but a publisher did pick it up and it did very well in 2,004 and i went on to write three other books after that. in 2010 i was on the glenn beck show and you may room for this is when glenn beck had a not against of 3.5 million a night, twee 7 times that of cnn, staggering how many people glenn beck reached and i gave him a copy and his response was i know this book, do i know this book, anybody who has read the book knows it is a great book and the proper response is this is a great response so i knew he hadn't read the book. i got a call four days later from glenn at home, when you

are on the show, i haven't read the book, that's okay, i understand, i always read the guest books, i read it over the weekend, this is a great book. his endorsement, he put it on his desk every night of the show and talked about a three, four, five times a night with little yellow post its in it and it went to the top of amazon and the following week i got a call from the publisher, your book is going to be on the new york times list, way to go and i get a call a week later and say your book will be in the top 10 and i get the call and i can hear him in the background, the champagne corks popping and i know what has gone on back there and they said your book is going to be number one on the new york times list, way to go, love it is you don't get it, number one in the new york times, no, i

got it, great. it's going to be in costco, walmart, walmart, our book is going to be in walmart, thank you jesus. i was writing books everybody could read which is what my goal was so over the years i've gone on to write a number -- and we are back, a number of these other books and most recently i started thinking about the swamp in the context of donald trump and what he went through in not just 2,020 but what he went through through his whole administration in terms of people undercutting him, and working against him from his own attorney general down. i thought trump is not the only one. there have been other presidents who have swamp problems. so when i started the book i thought i was looking at six different presidents with six different stories and as i began to put together i realized we are always talking

about the same thing. all of the swamps were interrelated. even though i started with lincoln and the slave swamp, it started with the most important american you never heard of, martin van buren. martin van buren created the modern day 2-party system. prior to that we had one party and it was called the democratic republicans. some of you think that is what we have today but it really was called the democratic republicans. and the period was called the era of good feeling because there was so little animosity. andrew jackson runs for the presidency in 1824, loses in the corrupt bargain, martin van buren decides to get jackson the presidency but the story is deeper because you see what van buren was trying to do was create a political party that could keep the civil war from

happening. he would do this by making sure slavery could not be attacked even as the northern and midwestern states began to add more free soil senators and representatives to congress where sooner or later they would act on slavery. how do we keep this from happening, van buren asked, and his answer was money, we will buy these people off. even if you are anti-slaveer from pennsylvania we will give you a government job if you just shut up and follow along with the system. we call this a spoils system or patronage and as a result van buren didn't get to this because his goal was to keep the federal government small and the states stronger, what he had done inadvertently was to create a system in which the federal government began to grow with every single election because you had to give away

jobs to get elected and the most powerful job in 1830 was the postmaster general of the united states. what kid says i want to be postmaster general? but back then everybody wanted to be postmaster general because you had 8500 jobs you have got to give away. however the president posted postmaster general that guy had a lot of power. here come the whigs and the whig party are on the same playing field as the democrats. i forgot to tell you the name of van buren party is the democrats so the whigs come along on the same playing field, the only way to meet is to give away more jobs. in every election they promised jobs and more jobs so government starts to grow every single election and nobody notices until 1863 because part

of van buren's strategy was to make sure the presidency remained in the hands of someone who was not hostile to slavery. a northern man of southern principles is the way it was worded so you either get a democrat or a northern man of southern principles whig in office from 1828 until 1850 and then in 1860 you got a big problem. .. a northern man of northern principles who does not approve of slavery in office. and even though lincoln says i will not act on slavery. he can't help it. he's going to act on slavery because he's going to appoint federal marshals. he's going to appoint federal judges who will rule in slave runaway slave cases. he's going to appoint customs commissioners who may allow free blacks off the ships that are docking in southern port he's going to appoint postmasters who are going to allow in abolitionist material. so lincoln's election caused the

civil war that van buren had hoped to avoid because of van buren's own system. lincoln comes in and one of the first things he notices he has all these army of job seekers lining up down the street at the time. he ran the government you ready for this with two secretaries. lincoln ran the whole government with two secretaries and literally people could come inside the white house and they just stand there and form a long line all the way down the block waiting to talk to the president about jobs, you know when he wasn't busy and fighting a war, you know. and so lincoln could not deal with the with the spoils swamp because his first job was to deal with the slave swamp. he kind of needed the spoil swamp to defeat the slave swamp, which he did. he was the only of the six presidents took b completely successful in his goal. he did defeat the slave swamp, but the spoiled swamp was still around and it continued to grow it actually got worse after the

civil war because you had all these veterans who were now claiming benefits by writing their congressman saying i was in the civil war, i need all these benefits and you would think that within 10 years after the civil war the number of veterans claiming benefits from the civil war would decline because like they die that didn't happen it grew as more and more people suddenly had magic memory restoration and they remember they were in the civil war and that they got injured or wounded or whatnot and so the roles begin to grow crazy and and so you literally have thousands thousands of these job seekers descending on washington with each new administration one author of the day said the trains going out of dc would be full and the incoming trains would be full with different people all seeking to take the jobs of those who just left right? well grant didn't do a whole lot about this but the next and neither did hayes but the next guy a guy named james garfield

ran on a program of defeating the spoils swamp. and and he was going to do it. when one small problem he got killed. and you know who killed him a spoils swamper? charles goto shot him and said i am a stalwart. that's a guy who favored the swamp. and now arthur is president and see chester arthur was thought to be very favorable to the spoiled swamp, but he's one of those rare people in washington that when he gets in office he has a change of heart to do the right thing. and he actually begins to attack the spoiled swamp. but arthur had another problem bright's disease and bright's disease kept him from serving a second term. so he's out and the mantle falls to the second of my president's grover, cleveland. and i love cleveland. i look at him as as trump the first first guy to win an election lose an election win an election, right? but cleveland won the popular

vote all three times and he comes in and he takes on the spoiled swamp. i mean hammer and tongue he is in there staying up late at night in the white house reviewing all these claims for veterans benefits from people who weren't veterans and throwing them out and vetoing them saying no, i'm not gonna accept this thing. we kick out thousands and thousands of these and so he finally worked with congress to create something called the pendleton civil service act. and this supposedly reformed the spoil system now, you know what happens in washington when they reform anything it gets worse. and so they reform it and they took about 10% of the total federal employees away from the president put it in the hands of a civil service commission where you would take a test and and however you place that test is what job you would be eligible to serve in. but the unseen ramification of this was that now presidents had so many fewer jobs to personally

give away now they had to give away groups of jobs. to lobbyists to different industries, right and so in our time you'll get a candidate going out to wright patterson air force base in ohio saying i believe in a strong defense and everybody goes yay, and it's all the guys from raytheon and lockheed, you know, and they'll go out to colorado to the environmental protection fun though. i believe in protecting the environment. oh, yeah, because they all know it means money coming into their coffers. so what pendleton really did was it moved giving away of government jobs on a very small level into a very gigantic level and that government growth i talked about all of a sudden it started to increase exponentially. meanwhile, there's another swamp raising its ugly head and that was a trust swamp and the trust swamp consisted of big business combinations. i mean very much like twitter and google and and these kinds of giants today facebook.

and teddy roosevelt was determined to do something about this you all know that. but you may not know that one of his main reasons for wanting to do something about it was that he feared the media. he feared the yellow press would create such a firestorm not just against the big businesses, but against all businesses and he thought he believed this in his heart that he was protecting all business from this mob that would be raised to radicalism by the yellow press now. it's interesting. i like teddy in a lot of ways and i don't like him in a lot of ways you can't help but like some guy who is in a cushy government job assistant secretary the navy war breaks out and he resigns and goes to raise a volunteer cavalry unit that wants to get into action and wants to see combat and not only does he do that but he fights and not only does he fight but he wins and not only does he win but he's awarded the

middle of honor. and then as president, he negotiates a peace between japan and russia and as awarded a real nobel peace prize. can you imagine any modern president receiving both a middle of honor and a nobel peace prize? i can't roosevelt's one big failure. he never ran a business. i'm convinced that had teddy roosevelt because he succeeded in everything else. he did if he had just run a business and i'm not talking about his cattle ranch because that was a that was a fantasy land. that was a playground for him. he had other people run it. he didn't meet payrolls. he didn't worry about laying people off. i'm convinced if he had run a business his antitrust activities would have been different. i don't know how but i think they would have been different. the one trust of course, he does not take on is the media trust which at the time wasn't that big but of course over time in our time. it's gotten to be monstrous.

so government continued to grow agencies continue to grow new agencies such as the fbi and cia were added. and so by john kennedy's time in office. he is confronting a cia swamp and kennedy's problem his task is that he needs to get rid of the cia swamp. but he needs the cia too much to get rid of it. he needs it for for cuba. he needs it for laos. he needs it for vietnam or as lyndon johnson would say vietnam. he needs it for vietnam and you know one time when kennedy comes into officers 600 americans in south vietnam and when he's assassinated there were 16,000 americans and so so i do not buy this notion that okay. he's gonna get us out of vietnam funny trend line you have there from 600 to 16,000 that that's not a trend line of getting out.

so kennedy doesn't trust the cia. he feels betrayed by them yet. he still needs to use them on many occasions and that's why i consider him the first failure in our group of six is he doesn't do anything to bring the cia to heal ronald reagan, of course runs on a three-way pledge one to defeat soviet union two to build back the american economy in three to reduce the power and size the government. unfortunately for reagan, he needs the government. he needs the military. he needs big business in order to accomplish the other two and so almost like kennedy he finds that he needs the agencies. he wants to get rid of too much to get rid of them and i'll just share one anecdote in my book reagan the american president david stockman had was true believer in reducing the size of government and they were sending out memos to all of the departments. how are you coming on reducing

the size of your your department? how are you coming on reducing your budget and he gets one letter one memo back that i found in the archives. the guy says well, and this is a guy reagan appointed who believed in reagan's agenda and the guy said well, we already have spent all this year's budget and we spent part of next year's but too so i really don't think we're gonna get around to cutting anything anytime soon. i mean, it was really an amazing admission once you're in the swamp. it's darn your possible to roll back the swamp right? so by 1984 reagan had pretty much given up on the third plank of his platform promises, which was to reduce the size of government and he succeeded in the other two, but he pretty much had to give up on the third one of reducing the bureaucracy. one very important thing happened between kennedy and reagan. congress had been appointing and creating these committees these

bureaus these administrative agencies and empowering them, but once they got in place congress just let him go and basically it's chewed any oversight over any of these bureaucracies or administrative what steve bannon calls the administrative state at all. just let him go. so it then fell to the courts to try to handle these but unfortunately, what started to happen was at the court said well congress has set up this agency congress gave it these powers. who are we to say the congress is wrong. so they basically let the agencies define their own missions and even set up their own private police forces as some you know, epa and some of the other organizations have so that was a major change in the bureaucracy between kennedy and reagan finally we get to trump and trump came in and he basically gets all for the other swamps, you know, he gets spoil swamp. he gets the the media swamp. he gets a cia swamp fbi swamp

the deep state swamp and trump's appointees. don't help him out a whole lot jeff sessions, especially who's probably the worst single appointee in american history. i have to go back a long way to find somebody worse than jeff sessions and so trump finds himself undercut at every point. he will order documents to be declassified. nothing happens amanda milius who is very good on this. she was in a pointy to the trump state department. she said they would send out memos to the embassies and they would get responses back from the embassy as well. you know, we're not going to do that for this reason or that reason and and you could never follow up and fire these people. so in the end i have lincoln cleveland and roosevelt as failed as successes or partial successes in draining their swamps, and i have kennedy and reagan and trump as either

failures or partial failures in draining their swamps. so with that this is always the best part of the night when we do the q&a because i go back to rock and roll larry i go back to the unhinged larry. you know, this is the flaming drum solo where i almost burned down the human convention center. okay. so let's just go ahead and open this up to questions and then i'll just take it as it goes from there, and we have a microphone circulating here. you're not on. there you go. you're on. okay. hi. hi larry. hi. hi larry. hello, we this deep state is a behemoth now huge and we know that personnel is power, right and we know that the top levels those are political. said they're going to do. who are not due what what is

required of them by the by the president what i would like you to comment on is below this starting at the high levels of civil service and going down. there was a certain culture of people who are hired and that fact that they are rewarded for finding new ways to add a little bit of power and find new new things to regulate and control. how does that work? and how bad is it? it's horrible. you know what reagan said was that the closest thing he'd seemed to eternal life on this planet was a government agency. and and you're absolutely right that you can change out the head of these agencies. but how much is that really do to affect the culture down within and we saw this with the fbi? did we not we kept hearing people like sean hannity tell us that it's only a few bad apples at the top but the rank and file fbi, they're fine.

no folks. they are corrupt down to the studs. i mean all the way through if any of them were not corrupt, they would have stood up and said i'm blowing the whistle. i'm going to say. this is wrong. this is not according to our manual is not according to our regulations, and i'm going to call out jim comey and and mccabe and all these other guys know that that didn't happen. so there is a total culture change that is required in addition to changing of personnel and i have some suggestions at the end as to how we might accomplish that i'll hold that off for a minute. well over here. yes, sir. thank you. larry. the thing that amazed me during the four years of trump presidency. is that every single day there was a scandal right they would and they would call them not seeing communists and beheading and everything else. russia russia russia, right? no, russia, so what was the basic premise of these

republicans and democrats that hated trump hating him was it because he didn't pay his dues and he just went from tycoon to president, or was it some people that i talked to our liberals? they can't tell me why they hate trump and always comes down to tweets. yeah, mean tweets. yeah. okay, so that's a great question trump represented and i think by far steve bannon is the best single analyst on on this entire thing other people have written about it the late angelo code avia. i don't know if you know him guys a phenomenal writer, but he represented a clash of the country class versus the ruling class and that is to say of the elites inside dc. there's a book by charles murray after losing ground. it's called coming apart. maybe seen coming apart phenomenal. and in at murray shows that

based on wealth income and based on iq, and he used school of graduation as a proxy for iq. he said you could go through suburbs of washington dc and if you didn't have somebody picking up your laundry for you or getting you the starbucks coffee you would never interact with a single person who wasn't in your income and iq school level he said on a single block every single person on that block had come out of ivy league schools, and that that's got to change. i mean, no asu is is no great shakes and university of montana is nothing fantastic, but gosh ten people from those schools to be better than the idiots. we have up there now, right so you've got this deep culture that that is is a problem now trump hit other buttons and and this button i love to talk about this one. this is why the jonah goldberg's

and the david fringes french fry and the chris hayes is these guys are all so so such trump haters and theory is this never were conservatives. they never were conservatives. what happened was they would assume a conservative position in cocktail parties and in speeches for the heartland institute or young americans or wherever they would go and and they would make these conservative sounding speeches up till trump because they knew nothing was going to change and so at the end of the night they could go back to their liberal buddies at the cocktail party. he said well, you know, we're being nice to provide was overturned, but we know that's never gonna happen. oh, they click glasses and they'd walk off right and here comes trump. he says no, we're gonna actually do the things i campaign on we're gonna change this country and that hit him like a brick wall because all of a sudden the threat was that policies were

actually going to change and they could no longer go in front of these people and pretend to be supporting conservative positions. if it actually meant they're gonna have to defend real conservative change. so i think that was from here um, you know, this there was a really surprising to me a decision in florida that ruled against the cdc and the mandates and if you think about how far the swamp is going i guess to the cdc's now part of it and who knew but it it seems as though this was a significant significant decision against it the the state i mean, so what are your thoughts on the significance of yes that decision, you know, and today is hitler's birthday, but we really need to celebrate yesterday, which was freedom day in america right and ask freedom day, so here's what i would say about

that. i would urge you to watch the podcast of a guy named robert barnes. who is a lawyer on locals viva barnes and he has been predicting these the outcomes of these legal cases almost exactly as they turn out and he said the osha case would be ruled against biden, but he said the military vac's case would not because for so long there was a precedent you go into the military you go overseas you get all these shots and so it's going to be really hard to overturn that so this was huge and you have all these liberals out there screaming today a judge in florida overturn the will of the people i'm in. mean kind of like ruby wade sing so it was it was a massive massive shift. the ground is shifting and not just there across the board to sandisk today my gosh. this guy is a tornado he is taking on disney and they're saying you know what you guys

have existed for months what 67 68 is when disney world was found you guys have existed for 40 years on the largest of florida taxpayers. you don't pay all the taxes. you should you have total autonomy in your little reedy creek development place. we're gonna change all that and boy the heads are just exploding here. so i do think bannon is right. i don't agree that he we're gonna see groundswell, and i just tweeted out. oh walls other that's my twitter walls other. it's a play on my movie other walls to fall walls others. so look me up on on at wall's other and i tweeted an article this afternoon about this groundswell, and it's not just here folks. it's going on across the world people are rising and look what happened in hungry or bond one with 90 percent. i mean, these are saddam hussein level numbers right where the

ballot says saddam hussein kill me in torture my family, you know, these are the 90% like santa who's saying numbers and and but this is occurring everywhere across the world. the people are i know it's a catch phrase, but they are rising up and isn't this fabulous the international rise of all of these people is turning marks on its head because they are rising up for free markets and freedom against the communist overseers. it's astounding we have oh, yeah, sir, please. yourself and don't take too long. okay, mark wire miller hello, larry. they that's too long. i'm sorry you're done. they often hold the microphone. they don't want to give the microphone to a crazy person like me. first of all, you have a new twitter follower. i'm following you if you want to follow me back. thank you so quickly. i was in springfield this morning. i spoke for three minutes at the illinois state board of education and i told him they should get rid of it because it's a wasteful group exactly with that in mind. what do you i was hoping donald

trump would have eliminated the federal department of education instead. he hired betsy devos and nothing really happened. so when you say nothing says when you say nothing happened, that's a win for us. and strange to sound that's a win if you put in a whole bunch of bureaucrats and at the end of four years you could say nothing happened i go. yay. we won that for your exchange. okay, go ahead. so i was hoping he would and i'm a trump supporter. yeah, and i think he's coming back but why i was hoping they would get rid of the department education. and why didn't he get rid of the department education? why didn't he get rid of half a dozen departments. he was he was hamstrung from the beginning. i mean when you come in and amanda melia said that she estimated there were 60 mega people in the entire administration. now a president alone appoints 3,000 3,000 and out of those 3,000 you've only got 60 mega

dedicated people going to be hard to change things that way to actually get rid of a department. you would have to have a department head who was committed to getting rid of that department and there's going to be that's very hard to do. you know, you're gonna have to set up a ceo of ford who's committed to getting rid of ford automobiles, right? that's it that's equivalent of that. i think that would have been even a bridge too far for trump to get rid of a whole cabinet level agency. reagan could have done it, but he didn't have the political clout to do all three of those things, right? when trump comes in again, he's going to have to come in with a flamethrower. a flamethrower and i mean, you know with an exterminator right behind him, terminix right behind him, right because they're gonna because they're only going to get one more shot at this if we do it wrong next time. we probably aren't going to get another shot in any of our lifetimes. yes, sir. thank you. larry for tracking through 200 years of history. how about present day?

how would you describe the power structure in washington who's running the place? i do not believe biden is running anything. and by the way on my twitter, i have all of these nicknames. biden is the rutabaga that demented pervert and nancy pelosi is botoxxic. mitch mcconnell is your little so anyway, i don't think i don't think biden is running anything. i don't think obama is running anything because he's too lazy. i don't think he has the energy the time or he wants to play video games and swim, you know, and and so i think it's a cabal. ron klein is the head of one cabal group. there's some green wackadoodles out there who are in charge of another cabal group and you go through each interest group the education crt group and and they're all vying for biden's mind right and and kind of the last thing that he hears going out the door is kind of what he

mumbles when he repeats his word salad of nonsense. so that's who's running washington. you have a whole bunch of rhino republicans who are committed to keeping the swamp in place and they're all bought off by something most of my big pharma. if you wonder why we had the vaxes and the vaxes and the vaxes for four doses. it's because we got people in washington who are making a ton of money off of big pharma and never once wanted to mention ivermectin or in any of the other things that might mediate the disease. so you've got the rhinos in there and that's why i think the next two elections are absolutely critical if the seven trump endorsed senate candidates all win. it'll be a stretch, but they could do it if they all win that would change the republican makeup by 14% that one election by 14% if you bring those seven

in and they're committed and they actually do what they say they're going to do no, no guarantees there with dr. oz or you know with vance you don't know but they're better than the other guys if they actually do what they say and they come in you could then see the next echelon of the ted cruz's and the rick scotts and and the marshall blackburns moving over hardcore on their side and it's an overton window that begins to pull the whole senate back to the right and then in 2024 now you've got a shot now, you've got seven or eight seats and if the waves big enough folks, there's not a seat in this in this world. that's safe. i mean the democrats are just now figuring this out. there's a peace and political or the hill they kind of alternate the bad news for the democrats this week and they said basically we're looking at a wipe out and and we're looking at potentially in 24 a veto-proof proof majority in both houses. this is the she's saying this so

i personally think we'll get somewhere in the neighborhood of 40 seats, but bite me is decline is sure. it's not going to change. it's going to keep going down. he's in the 30s and at least three poles now. i think you'll be in the high 20s by election time 2024, maybe even lower and that should be sufficient to wipe them out. i mean just crush them. speaking of wiping out larry. you said ivermectin and i thought oh my god. this video is gonna be banned from youtube. oh, there we go, and i remembered well everything you say makes us paying from you. that's right. it's gonna be fine. we have we have a question over here. and then we have a question over here for dahlia. we'll start with you dan. good evening. thank you. my name is dan robin. i was wondering how you might have considered the history of jimmy carter who i think was i consider him to be one of the great deregulators of our time. it wasn't carter that deregulated all that deregulation had been put in place actually back in the late part of the nixon administration

when you look at airlines when you look at trucking when you look at gas in my book reagan the american president, i have a chapter on carter called the worst president ever with an asterisk and then at the bottom of the page i said until barack obama, but now i have to revise it to say until barack obama and joe biden so, you know and my nickname for him is jesus carter. because he's so pompous, you know, he's just so perfect that you know, and i don't consider him to be a very good president all i think he was a disaster and whatever deregulation that was there was not his doing he inherited it from others. hello. i have a question. do you know anybody who tried to reduce bureaucracies reduce human resources by paying top bureaucrats and continuing paying them a bureaucracy remains smaller in the meant aligning consent right what you're saying? this is a actually a suggestion by steve bannon, which is a very

good and so i said give you three three measures for hope here first. what do we do about the swamp? here's one thing you can do. this is band suggestion. you buy these people out. you buy out their their contracts you say i will pay you 20% more of your remaining salary to get out and retire now. now this is going to cost a lot of money, but it's a one-time investment because once that person is out of that job. what do you do close the job? it's no more open for business. you will never staff that job again, and you could believe me you'd get rid a lot of washington if you were to buy out these jobs and then just shut them off. okay, that's suggestion. number one number two. you've got to get the bureaucracy out of dc. you got to get the administrative state out of dc and trump actually started to do this. he began moving some of the bureau of land management and bureau of the interior offices out to omaha, nebraska and you know and and farmington i say put them all in farmington, new

mexico. you'll never hear from him again, right anybody been to farmington. oh, look, it's a uranium mine. all right, that's all you need to know farmington's are uranium mine. so anyway move these offices out get them into the interior of america the very least what that will do is to get them around more ordinary americans more of the time so that they see the impact of their policies. they see nothing back in dc. they're totally insulated in a complete echo chamber and then the third thing we got to do is vote and vote in mega oriented people who are actually going to change the system. we can only we can only you do we can only vote for the people. we're in front of us at the time right? but but do what you can do to replace replace these people with mega candidates. great. i have a question. oh, i'm sorry. go ahead first. yeah, not the trump is a nixon and trumper equivalent. but can you give any insight

into the watergate? yeah, i mean you certainly seem like you had a deep state operation the fbi ran the whole thing against nixon. what was that all about and with respect to what we know now about the trump, you know, what happened with trump. that's a great question on watergate, and i'm going to give you an answer very few historians would ever give you and that is we don't know. the best guess i have is the kalani gitlin explanation that said that john dean. found out that the democrats had a address book of a call girl in their possession. and it was his then girlfriend soon to be his wife maureen dean. her name was in this book. and it was dean who authorized the break-in and it was dean who told them what to look for which is why they're nowhere near the chairman of the democratic party's office. they're over in some yahoo's office back in the back part, which happened to have that

diary they knew exactly where to go. and so i think that and dean then lied to nixon about it and said, this is a national security issue and and nixon. well, we've got to cover it up then right and and so they they went on and and got the cia to intervene with the fbi and say this is national security and then it completely went to heck from there nixon is not innocent. he obstructed justice, you know, he should have gone to jail, but he was not guilty of the original crime that everybody thinks he was guilty of which is ordering the break-in. i don't think that was that's my take them. so it was just because of a personal picadillo had nothing to do with he was trying to get rid of important agencies or anything. well, i've seen picadillos and someone be pretty big. i'm watch out for those big piccadillos. well, that was the first that's right. the second one. that's right. but he apparently had directed both of them as far as the man he was yellow two.

he didn't put together to. right the first one he is perfect they weren't they written out it was hunt the put it together. the question and again if you have another these raise your hand your book. larry is titled dragon slayer 6 presidents and their war with the swamp. i'm going to ask you about the 2020 election. i mean in 2016. nobody thought trump would win right new york times. well, i did well you did. i don't think trump did but i don't even think that's debated and it depends on who you talk to in his inner circles or whether he thought he was going to win right but my point being that you know hillary was going to be the third obama term, right? the swamp is excited. they already had all their plans all the things that were going to do and then trump wins, right and trump is going to oppose the swamp. he does things as you outlined just a minute ago moving bureaucracies out into the hinterlands. so they'll quit lovely. yeah, things like that and so my

my personal feeling and i think this is shared by a lot of people in this room and this is going to be sure to get this thing banned from youtube for sure because never written all i want to make sure the algorithm hits it. all right i could sing i could sing and that would guarantee. yeah, keep it so the 2020 election. it was a little unusual and i would say but after all of that i started to think to myself and i think a lot of people thought themselves. there's no way they're going to allow trump to win. the media was against him. they didn't report on the hunter biden stuff. they suppressed this they did that the time magazine article about how they fortified the election, right? they saved the country nice people think they saved the country for my greetings. they fortified it right because of trump had a second term then really the swamp is in trouble then it could be drained, but they were holding him off keeping him tied up with this russia collusion stuff and all the two impeachments for crying out all this stuff. there and i always thought to myself. there's no way the swamp was going to leave this up to the people. they weren't going to take the chance that he would get

reelected. now. is that a conspiracy theory? is that crazy talk? do you have any time magazine since i mean time magazine came out and laid it all out exactly what they were doing. i wrote in how trump won. i finished the book my part of the book in about october of 2016, and i said trump's gonna win the the election with 306 electoral votes. the final was what 320? 300 300 i saw by six i was off by six. i said he went between 300 and 320 electoral votes he won with 306. that's what it was. and so i was sure based on the voter registration numbers. i was seeing in ohio in florida, north carolina. i was sure he was going to win. i really didn't think they could steal it because i thought that trump was going to get at least 10 million more votes than he got before and guess what he got 13 million more votes than before, right? so what happened? well, i'm from arizona.

they did an audit which nobody wants to talk about in terms of the actual findings. they found i'll just give you one data point 17,000 duplicate ballots. i guarantee you all 17,000 of those were for biden. and but we can't prove it because you can't violate secret ballot and you can't call up somebody say, how did you vote? right so but when you got 17,000 duplicates and and biden wins by 11,000 and that's just one metric and there were dozens of other metrics totaling at least 57,000 more votes just in maricopa county not even in all of arizona and we know that the counting was stopped simultaneously in five big cities. gee, how does that happen? so but i would say it went even further. i think there was a conspiracy early on if you want to use that term i'm going to blame mike pence. i think mike pence was involved in this and i think that he convinced trump now. i'm a i'm a big supporter of federalism trump was the most

federalist president. had since washington. because his first response to every single issue is this is congress's job. they should fix it. second time this is congress's job. they should third time. this is congress's job if they don't fix it, i will but he always tried to get the right department or the right agency to do their job. he foisted as much as he could off on the states to get them to do their job. so here comes the china virus and i refuse to call it covid. here comes the china virus and pence and his chief of staff go to trump and they say you know what mr. president, this would be a great opportunity to practice federalism. why don't you put control of the administration the china virus in the hands of the states? trump said that's his inclination. he said sure that's good idea. unfortunately, you know what this did no state had the

medical wherewithal that the expertise in the medical examiner's office and the department of health office to compete with the cdc or the nih. so what happened all of these state medical officers started looking back to the cdc and ni saying well, what do you say and dr. fallacy was right there to tell him exactly what to think and so i think pence plan this it turned out that the power was handed over to dr. fallacy through playing on trumps federalism and if trump had retained the power himself, i guarantee after two months who this is bologna. this is hogwash. we're not doing we're gonna open the country back up and he would have issued executive orders to that effect. now would they have been overridden? i don't know it would legislate your pass laws. i don't know but i guarantee you that things would not have evolved the way they did and therefore added that layer on to all the other. did you mentioned jim all these horrible things that were going on? which i think is the the thing that really sunk him was the the

downed economy as a result of the the china virus. i think even with the fraud he would have beat the fraud. if not for the china virus. every republican who's residence going to be asked by our corrupt media. do you think the 2020 election was on the up and up? one do you think the 2020 election was on the up and up and two? how should say ron desantis answer the answer that question? no, i do not believe it was on the up-and-up. i think we have abundant evidence of fraud. we don't know who it benefited, but the chances are overwhelming that it benefited joe biden and i do not believe joe biden got 81 million votes in here in rwanda are in the soviet union. they didn't get that many votes. i'm sorry. that would be my answer. and that's what a republican candidate should say. yeah, definitely right and i think that you're going to be surprised at how many times if you just stand up. this is one thing trump taught everybody if you just stand up just stand up and fight back and desantis his internalize this

right carrie lake out in arizona running for governor has internalized this you got to see this woman on the media. she destroys the media you start standing up and they will back down but you got to stand up first. no rock and roll questions so casio and i was going to ask this question before you went into all this. how do we especially in illinois and crook we call it crook county? sure. there's a lot of potential for election fraud. yep. and how do we fight this? i was in election judge at the last election and i think we need more conservative judges to be involved. but what else can we do? it's really very frustrating in a state like, illinois. you're behind enemy lines. so you're just going to have to fight it out, you know one foxhole at a time, but every foxhole is important get as many people in the election boards as you can oversee as many, you know, and you start working your

way back into to cook county before you know, it you're gonna have all the immediate suburbs and before, you know, you're gonna have some of the interior of the city and folks hispanics are coming over to the republican party like you cannot believe and it's one of the most amazing boomerangs in political history that that the democrats who encourage all these illegals even illegals who are coming in according the polling by richard barris are trending conservative because they come from countries like el salvador and guatemala that are hell holes and and they want they want a part of the american life, you know. so what's happening is i think we can take these back. we're already winning over the hispan. vote we are very slowly making inroads into the black vote we can do it, but it's a it's a slog. it's a slog. question right here. sorry. okay, who are you again? >> who are you again? >> i'm james taylor, president of the heartland institute.

>> through fire and rain. you're president through fire and rain. >> that's right. getting back to your book, one thing that fascinated me -- you touched on this in one of your comments -- you said three that you considered successes and three you considered failures. andne sequentially, the first le you examined were successes and the last three for successful. if you flip them around, how successful do you think those first three would have been mt. day and age of the last three, and how successful would the last three be -- so, really, what were the circumstances? was it more circumstance or was it more tactics and battlefield brilliancesome. that's an ahistorical question, okay. so you give the confederates ar-15s, do they win the civil war, right in. [laughter] is so, look, lincoln was going to be a great president in any age you put him in. he had the courage the make the right decisions, the steadfast

ifness tohe fight for hem. and i think if you put him in a war with -- he would have probably have done better even than cleveland. cleveland was a much nay nay row or -- nay narrower man, he's the guyr you want pixing your -- fixing your plumbing. t.r. was very much a man of whatever struck him at the time. and if the swamp that trump faced had struck teddy roosevelt, he would have fought backn probably even harder than trump and gotten very bloody. and he might have been impeached and taken out, removed, right? because he would have bought in a much different way. reagan's style was such that he would have tried conciliation as much as possible, but i think in theng end he would have done the same thing, we're not going to back down the on these essential points of america's freedom. so, you know, you get into these historical questions, i feel like thanos with the time ring,

jumping back and forth. but that's my best shot on ahistorickism. >> do you have more questions? raise your hand. >> o one of my concerns is that the people are so clueless today. after church at the coffee hour, i talk to these people, friends, very successful people. they don't want to talk about anything other thanth their golf game. we live in a retirement village right now of people that are successful. they don't want to talk about anything serious. so i'm really concerned. and and as we mow, universities today only 4% of the faculty are republicans. >> maybe only 2 the % are conservatives. -- 2%. >> and the people that do get newspapers, chicago, the chicago tribune has a turned left. so i'm concerned about how

clueless people are. now, i think the republicans are going to do well, but the only one reason is that when they get gas, inflation. that'snf the key issue -- >>ue that's good. >> -- and that's going to defeat democrats. >> yep. >> that isn't because people are informed -- >> no, they're informed. the pain at the gas pump is a very powerful form of information. so let me take your question way. you're familiar with the declaration of independence, and you're familiar with the line that jefferson said that as long as -- i can't quote it exactly. as long as these evils are tolerable, men will tolerate these evils. in other words, people will not rise out of their comfort levels until it gets extremely uncomfortable. which is why i want biden to stay in office for two more years. because i want to be so incrediblyly uncomfortable these people go, we will never put

another o democrat in office may our entire lives. now, in terms of retirement village and what not, don't forget in 2010 it was the retirees who stormed into the tea party. this is one of the problems, was that the tea party was an older movement and didn't have a lot of youth in it to kind of take over. if so, you know, i'm no spring chicken, and i'm pretty unhappy. >> [inaudible] i'm very concerned, again, i want trump to win again, to get back into the race, but he has such poor advisers went he was in the white house -- >> right. >> and people around him just betrayeded him. is he any better now down in florida? is he seems to be surrounded with people again who might be informing him to do the wrong hinge. he's endorsing some candidates for senate that are really bad. >> well,l, now, i push back on that because i was not a vance

fan when he paris came out, but the -- first came out, but the more i looked at mandel, he's too corrupt. and the same thing with higgins. and dr. oz was far if my favorite candidate, but, you know, it's what hay said about democracy and how democracy's the worst government in the world except for all the others, and dr. oz is the best candidate given the others, right? i am more impressed with people who used to walk the wrong path like carr -- kari lake who voted for obama who now is consistently not only saying the right things, but pushing back. it's not just saying the right things in front of donors, it's are you saying the right thing in front of tv cameras. so i d hope, i think you're goig to see vance and oz and some of these other guys, i hope it's blake masters in arizona, form coterie of maga senators that's going to be very powerful. there's a lotik of things abouta lot of these people i don't like. and the thing j in tennessee wih

what's herg name, morgan orteg, a bad pick. but people who supported robbie starbucks, he had a whole lot of issues. he had abu lot of issues. he was not a voter in that district. so it's always a crap shoot. i could ask my one of you here, and some of you run companies, how many people do you know that a you canan appoint to a positin that you can absolutely trust and who will carry out your goals and objectives? most of us can't point to more than three or four people, right? how many of those are competent? right? of my friends, maybe one or two, right? so you're stuck relying on people's advice whom you don't know all hatch, but, hey, they're in the republican party. supposedly, they have your best interests ato heart. so who's he getting advice from now? i don't know, butut i have a feeling as we get closer to the election, it's going to be two

people, don and eric, and that's the only ones i want him to take advice from other than maybe steve bannon if steve can behave. [laughter] [inaudible conversations] >> roman -- the question i have, larry, is, if trump were president, do you think putin would have invaded ukraine? >> no, not a chance. not a chance. but here's another interesting thought question. maybe, and i know we're enduring some horrible stuff, and i know what biden is doing is just terrible, but maybest better than trump wasn't in -- maybe it's better than trump wasn't in with a lukewarm senate and a lukewarm house. maybe we need to refine these people for another pour years so that when they come through the -- you know the story about and how hehe bible was sent down to fight an army, and he had 30,000 men and god

says, thatt that's too many. you immediate to get rid of them because they're not committed. have s them draw water out of te lake, and, i forget the story, but if they lap it up, they stay. so he went -- gets rid of 27,000. he says you've still got too many. you've got r 3,000. you need to get rid of those. the point is an army of lambs led by a lion is far more powerful than an army of lions head by a lamb, right? so if we can just -- lenin took the soviet union with 20,000 devout followers, a nation of 160 million people. only one-third of the right? so it's not numbers, it's dedication and willingness to go fight and engage the enmy. -- enemy. we get the right people in there,st do ca' able. not saying it's gonna happen, i'm saying it's doable.

>> i don't' like the question im going to ask more -- >> well, i don't like the answer. >> okay. well, a lot of people who i know who are sort of -- [inaudible] who voted for trump and who, and support ised his positions feel that his ability to be elected is diminished by his personality. they're turnedded offth by his nastiness, is thes way they put pit and worse. -- put it and worse. so my question is what are his prospects, or is somebody like desantis orr somebody who is, is a rump follower -- trump follower -- >> a trumplight? -- the trump lite? >> yeah, who's, who can tell you you don't want to throw tomatoes at him because he said nasty

things. >> there's an old saying, right? you can't have jim brown and have him have sprinter's speed. i mean, les a -- every great person and every person who achieves something great usually does so in spite of a handicap, not because of their personal -- i mean, moses had a speech impediment, and this is the guy you're going to choose to lead the jews? really? you know, so i don't think that that aspect of trump is as big a deal as m many, many -- i think it's an excuse for a lot of people. i don't think it's an actual -- and this is why i want the pain toto continue, folks. i want biden to continue in office and ratchet up that pain. i hatee saying that for my fellw americans,o but you need to feel -- you're alcoholics, and you need to get to the bottom before you'r' going to say i am a drunk ando i need to reform. >> [inaudible]

will the democrats put somebody in there who will be a nice guy or gal and win votes on that a basis? >>k. it won't work. it won't work because they are now too saddled with inflation. hair the party of -- they're the party of war, heir the party of covid and masks and vaccines. all of thed bad -- look at, trump is beating desantis in some polls by 50 points. it's not even close. he's beating biden badly, sometimes by 8 or 9 points now. what's hit -- it going to to be like in '4? they know this. they know they're teetering on the brink. and why haven't they removed biden? harris. [laughter] because nobody, even democrats, nobody wants harris many there. and so mark my words, if you see harris go, watch out, the 25th amendment is coming for old joe.

but million harris goes -- until if harris goes, he's safe, and some people think he appointed her just for that reason. but also remember this: the next veep has to be confirmed by both the house and the senate. and so it has to be done quickly if heir going to get rid of her and put in somebody like mayor pete, right? [laughter] no, that's the guy they want. that's the guy they want. if you're black, get back, if you're gay, you're okay. mayor pete is next in line. doesn't have a chance, and they're increasingly painting themselves into this narrower and nay prorower corner as you see with the disneyland stuff. heir willing to go to the mat for pedophiles, for pete's sake. they need to rename splash mountain the groomer or mountain or something like that. >> something triggered a bunch

more questions. >> i'm here as long as you need he -- me, okay? i get paid by the hour. >> thank you, larry. let's go eight time zones to the east. what do you think putin's swamps are, or even further east, what do you thinkre xi's swamps are? >> that's a great question. putin is not stupid. he may be h a murderer, he's lie a mafia boss. he's very smart who he kills. andhe, i think, legitimately saw donbas and some of those other regions in ukraine as threats, especially as the drum beat was coming to bring ukraine into nato. that was just simply not tolerable for him. does he have people who want to take himim out? oh, absolutely. is he going to take them out first? if he can, if he can find hem, he will. now, xi has very big problems, and the mesh media doesn't -- american media doesn't want to talk about this as all. they have huge environmental issues. they have a declining birthrate. we all think that china's just

growing. no, he was a declining birthrate. and one person mentioned to me, how eager do you think they are to send young men off to war when they've spent a generation building up their only sons and their -- are they really going to send them off to be thought arerred on taiwan? they can take the taiwan anytime they want to, but it will not be pleasant. it will cost millions to take taiwan because there's a very marrow landing area. i've read a her -- very thorough analysis of war. it wouldn't be pleasant. near ifly thee semiconductors that taiwan has. taiwan's a semiconductor chip giant in the world. and then what happens if japan, the philippines, other countries decide too chip in and start whittling down china's military? i always apply to china what was always applied to russia, china is never as strong as she looks,

china is never as weak as she looks, right? so those two who both have serious,ue serious issues. and right now we're actually helping the russians by making their oil more value bl. you made putin's oil is the equivalent of cryptocurrency. i mean, it's amazing. >> we have time for a couple more questions. we have one here, one here at least, one here. go ahead, sir. >> hi, i'm commander brown, united states navy, retired. and ire just have a question ab, the ketanji brown confirmation on tv. 57 -- or 53-47, and i've been, i've seen a few elections in my life, and we all mow it's always 49%/51% all the time. when or what is it boeing to take for this country -- going to take for this country to have elections where half the people aren't pissed off at the end?

when are we going to get to that point? i hope i'mu not a saddam hussen ticket, as you mentioned earlier. [laughter] >> no. look at the civil war. lincoln wins with just around 40%9 of the vote. the greatest president next to washington in american history, and you only get 40% of the vote. so it's the nature of a democracy, i think, especially our democracy which is a constitutional republic. and madison said it, he says you can't get rid of this. he called them factions. in federalist, i think it's 10, he said you immediate to have factions. and, of course, washington hated parties. but you need to have parties. you immediate to have one faction checking another because this is the way people get their ideas out into the public. ing and yet it's become significantly corrupted in a lot of ways over time. but,ut still, i like conflict. you only get pearls when you get the chafing, right? you let steel sharpen steel. i don't think we were all meant to stand around in a circle and

sing "kumbaya." i think we were able to get out there, contest our ideas, always be respectful when the other side wins which is what has not happened about the 20 years, really sincece reagan they kindf gave up being respectful if we won. but, you know, ketanji brown and she doesn'' know what a biological woman is, so, you know, that's just, that's great. >> [inaudible] >> yep. >> i've got six of them. well, that's sort of -- i'm polish. ..

>> if he'd asked me, i'd work for him in a minute. i really thought he benefitted from bannon, even though personalities were very much in conflict and you had some problems there. but you need people like that around. you need people who can tell you no and you need people who can stand up to you. i would love to work for trump and i came this close to meeting him two times. one time was right after the election, but before the inauguration, i was at trump tower to meet with bannon about this book and trump had just left maybe 30 minutes before. the next time in 2017 just before bannon retired and i said, is the boss here today? no, he's headed off for new jersey and i missed him twice and missed shaking hands with ronald reagan by this distance. i was doing an event for ronald reagan at the western white house, but it was over the hill, it wasn't-- have any of you been to the

ranch? who's been in the ranch? small, right? the really, really, the whole house is about the size of this room. it's a small house and you can't hold public events there, they don't have the facility for it. so they were holding the event at another guy's ranch over the guy's hill, inconcert at the white house and beverly sills, from the metropolitan opera was the hostess and she would host a different musical and entertainment act and get the beach boys and the quartet and this time it was merle haggard and the outlaws and so, they asked the uscf college republicans for volunteers and i volunteer of course, being an older student at the time because i'd spent so much time in rock and roll and older than most of the students, we're going to give you a special job. we want you to drive the celebrities after they've been screened, up to the venue so i was in a van with beverly sills and merle haggard and the outlaws, right? that was pretty wild.

so i get up there, sitting on a hay bale about here waiting for my next job and in comes ron and nancy, so security, they said, not too long after the event and they said we have snipers on all of these hills and i jumped up, and i thought don't shoot me, and he was gone in a flashy missed my chance to see trump twice and reagan once, but i did get in with president bush to talk about the iraq war. >> does that qualify as the rock and roll story before the end? >> no. >> good, time for one more question and then the rock and roll story. >> followed up with frank ending on a good night. to follow up on a question about the 2024 election and trump. you know, i've talked to a number of people, trump supporters and tell you the

truth, i flipped over when he came out with i'm going to drain the swamp. >> by which he meant the lobbyists and k-street, he never meant the fbi. >> i don't think we now or maybe he didn't know how deep it went. and disappointed, but number of reasons. and i talked to a number of people and thought about it myself, but the 2024, a lot of people that i know that were trump supported on converted trump supporters were disappointed in the 2020 election and the way he handled it and i can point to a couple of things. one i thought the first debate between him and biden, i thought he did horrible job, tactics were horrible and turned off a lot of people who might have been, you know, thinking about do i want this guy in the basement who can't think or can i give trump another chance and he bullied him. then there's january 6th

delayed response. one of the criticisms, why didn't he anticipate what was happening at the election? and all of this-- all the things, maricopa county and all of this. >> why weren't there lawyers around the party and trump is one guy and we do have a thing called the republican national committee and they could have been hiring lawyers. everybody saw this coming, people were talking about it, why weren't they hiring lawyers and starting lawsuits back in january? why is it always on trump in, i mean, he's not superhuman and i think, far too often people blame him when, in fact, we ought to be looking at the rest of the organization, what did you do? what would have happened if every single republican senator and congressman on january 6th had stood up and said, we think the election was a fraud. we want to vet this before we swear in a president and if it's okay, we'll be happy to swear him in, and we'll swear him in unanimously check it out

especially on lack of support for the democrats who have been cowardly throughout this. i call it patriot day by the way, january 6th is patriot day. on january 6th patriot day because a bunch of patriots did what we should have done which is demand a recount and demand these things be checked out. and let me give you another measure of hope here. the judges, trump didn't do this, trump didn't do-- he did incredible, he did more than in four years more than any other president did in four years, not even close and one of the things appointing the judges, one of the things not having masks on the airplane, a judge. what bannon told me was that gorsuch, amy coney barrett and kavanaugh were not necessarily selected for social

conservative views, their litmus test was their approach to the deep state and the administrative state and will they help roll back the administrative state and asked them specifically about the exxon case, and how that was handled. so sometimes if you think kavanaugh isn't voting the right way, remember what he's up there to do is to deconstruct the deep state at least in terms of what trump thought he was bringing them in to do. so i want to-- >> hold on, hold on. >> no, please, no encore. >> did you mean chevron case, not exxon case? >> chevron. so let me leave you with this, you mentioned this, this is very important, do not hang your heads. folks, we are on the precipice of a massive earth-shattering victory and what they want you to do is make you think it's not possible, to think mean tweets, this, that or the other. i'm telling you we're on the verge of an earth-shattering

event and if you just stand up as jordan peterson would say, stick your chest out and we lobsters are going to retake the world in january, 2024. [applause] >> thank you, larry. thank you everyone for being here. with us tonight. if you are inspired by that fantastic talk by larry schweikert, you're free to purchase not just his latest book, but he has some archives at the table over on the table at the side of the room. thank you all for being here, we'll be in touch soon for future events here at the swing and summer at the heartland institute and drive safe. >> thank you. >> ♪♪ . >> american history tv, saturdays on c-span2. exploring the people and events that tell the american story.

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