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black conservative scare people. that was in 2002. is that still true today? >> guest: absolutely. bennie thompson the chair of the general six committee referred to clarence thomas as an uncle tom. they scare people because we refute the narrative. the narrative is american is going to racist. black people are truly oppressed which is what democrats have doctor black people to routine because that characterize themselves as learn the white hat in these fights and these republicans over there where the black at. >> host: i want to read a quote from march 31, 2022. this is from one of your columns. sorry, i don't consider myself a victim of a systemically racisty country. i don't believe cops engage in institutional racial profiling. i reject critical race theory and climate change alarmism. i believe taxes are too high,

regulations to severe, and government too big. i support secure borders and pro-life.fe god-fearing and advocate school choice. >> guest: that's it. that's exactly it. and i believe elvis is the king. look, this is about police engaging in system present. this not only wrong, it's dangerous. there are many studies showing anything theth police are more hesitant more reluctant to pull the trigger on a black suspect that a white suspect but because of this life the police are pulling back not engaging placing come nothing stop question frisk and as result a bunch of bad guys are on the streetld who otherwise would be behind bars and those bad guys are committing crimes at a killing the very people people on the left fork to care about. >> host: how many books have youut written?>> >> guest: it depends on what you mean by book. i also had a couple of collections of my column for probably about half a dozen. my favorite book by most recent book is the one about my father. the hardcover is called "dear

father, dear son." >> host: tell us about viola and randolph. >> guest: they are my parents picked my mother was born on a farm in huntsville, alabama. my father was born in the back of the house somewhere in athens, georgia. my father doesn't know who his father is. my mother came from a large very prosperous family. our mustering the film is during the great depression members that we never filled with. we sold excess poultry and vegetables to our neighbors. so my mother a father got married in chattanooga, and my dad does not know who his biological father is. i didn't find that out until i was 25. that's what i i wrote the book. i dislike my father going up intensely as did my brothers. i have two brothers.el my father was ill tempered in my opinion. spank us to readily and too harshly in my opinion. and i didn't understand why he was so irritable all the time. unfortunately my dad starts a

café with 910 and now had to work for the s.o.b. i didn't like working for you either. although a café so everybody could hear everything and see everything in my dad would yell at me if you tie did something wrong. i'm 15 now having worked for him for five years and it'll myself the next that this guy yells at me i'm going to take off the apron and walked out. he yelled at me and he didn't have enough nerve. finally 15 i had enough years to do. i took off the apron and i walked out. during rush hour with a restaurant for of people, 15 stools, standing room during rush hour, there may have been 30 people there and we had to handle it all by himself. he was steaming. i was laying on my bed and my dad walked in my bedroom and said why did you leave? i spoke back to my father. i said dad, i got a sick and tired of the way you spoke to me and i am not putting up with the anymore.

he paid me $10 a day plus tips. he threw the money at me and did not say anything to make. we did not say anything for the next 10 years. i graduated from high school and i go to college in new england, and to law school in the midwest. i am 25 years old, i passed the ohio bar, the california bar, i am at a big law firm. i am 25 years old. i should be living large, but i cannot sleep. i know that it has to do with my dad. i know that we were not going to be friends. i called my secretary, i told her to cancel all of my appointments and i was flying in. i do not want my dad to prepare for me. i get to lax and take a cab to the restaurant. i got there at 130 time. walk in with pieces of luggage

and he says should i put my luggage there and said i want to give you the highlights. i will call him and and unfair and that i will call him unfair and he will call me ungrateful. despite my best efforts, i spoke nonstop for about half an hour. i told him everett with income every slight, how embarrassing that was, and everything i could possibly tell him and then i was done. i was spent. my father just took it. when i was done my dad said is that it? you do not speak to me for 10 years because of that? let me tell you about my father. i know nothing about my dad's life.

i know he was an only child. i met him once. i did not even like him so i did not ask about his life. the first time i saw my father cry he said let me tell you about my father. you know your last name? it is not my father's last name. i never met him. elder is a man who was in my life it was the longest, he could neither read or write. elder was an alcoholic who is physically abusive to me and my mother. he would be me -- beat me. my father came home and my mother threw me out of the house. never to return. at the beginning of the great depression during jim crow. for the next 8 hours he told

me about his life. he became and palo alto california. he can walk through the front door of a restaurant and was shocked he would get served. pearl harbor, my dad would the marines. he said anybody out there knows what i'm going to cite, they go where the action is and they love the uniforms. he was stationed in guam, he was a staff sergeant in terms of cooking for the colored soldiers. he went to restaurant to restaurant and they say we do not hire in words. need to go through that door, might i got onto the hall, to the same lady was in him out.

my dad said this is not set, -- nonsense, i am going to light. he has told you not not have any references. he even offered to work for free just for someone to give him a reference. my dad goes to the unemployment office and asks if he has any thing -- anything. he sat there for a whole day and came back the next day and lady calls him up, i have something. it is a job cleaning toilets. my dad did that for 10 years three hook up, he found another janitor job with another bread company cleaning toilets, my network full -- two full jobs. he cooked on the weekends.

that is why he was so cranky, he never slept. not just a after a day or week, year after year. you do that and you walk into a house with great rambunctious boys, what kind of mood are you going to be in? he is getting bigger and bigger and i am getting smaller and smaller. i am crying. at the end of the eight hours, i sit please forgive me for judging you so harshly. he says you are a kid and you did not know. hard work wins. you get out of life what you put into it. you cannot control the outcome, but you are in control of the effort. what could i have done to change the outcome. no matter how hard you work, i think is going to happen, -- bad things are going to happen.

we had a wonderful relationship and that is what the book is all about. >> this is a tough book to read. >> this is a tough write. it was cathartic. while i was writing it, but i was alive. why did you do this, he was asking why i was writing about his life. as soon as the book was over and my dad died. by a lot, tough, smart, had one year of college. she used to tell people that she had two years. i asked my mother why and she got upset. it bothered her she only had model year of education. the way up and out was through education and hard work. it is used to correct my grammar. -- she used to correct my grammar.

she corrected vin scully's grammar. he said tell me where the ball would have gone -- went. mother corrected him. he says, oh my god. every so often my language is bad. i remember this vividly. we at our old house, we had to be seven years or younger, it was a book of illustrated presidents. we went through every single president and when the book was over she closed it and said someday you could be in this book if you want to. i never aspired to run for office, i have always been interested in politics and public patients but never political office. i ran for governor of california, i got 150,000

individual donors. in eight weeks when i got into the race, i was trying to be strategic, that is when arnold schwarzenegger got into the race. i do not know if i wanted to do it. i was approached by a lot of people i admire like dennis prager who got me into radio and my pastor. they all asked me to run. i asked normal people like my barber, like the guy who drives me, his name is ed. they all wanted me to run and i said wow, little by little, if not you, who? i felt a spiritual obligation to do it. i did not want to. i thought i could make a difference in california. in eight weeks we raised $22 million. as a first part is gavin newsom

had to be recalled by 50% plus one. had that happened, however got the most votes on the replacement side got the nomination. i carried 57 counties in california. the reason i am telling you all of that is because after i ran for governor, a lot of people thought i would consider running for president. i am giving it some strong consideration. it is not that i believe i will displace ron desantis or donald trump if they want, but i have some things to say. as a breakdown of the american nuclear family. 70 president of black children entered the world without their father married to mother.

forget about elder, barack obama says a kid who is raised without a father is more likely to go to jail. the welfare state has in my opinion is advise women to marry the government and is a to abandon their financial and moral responsibility. this is a direct line between that and 85% of black eighth graders cannot read or do math at proficiency levels. they are functionally illiterate. it is a direct line between that and crying. i want to talk about the connection between that and the welfare state and i do not feel that either party including my party spent enough time addressing that. >> speaking of which, you wrote

in 2000 in 10 things you cannot say in america, you are talking about these issues back then. you mentioned that the welfare state is tyranny of the status quo. >> again, it is by far the biggest problem we have in america. there is a book called his father's face. he talks about as a prison chaplain who wanted to improve morale at a prison. he says can you give me 500 mother's day cards for free and they thought it would be a good marketing tool and they did. they go to the present and passes them out and morale did improve. father state rolls around. he goes to the same greeting card company and ask for 500 father's day cards, not a single inmate wanted to fill one

out and send it to his father. if you look at crime, breakdown of the family, there is a direct correlation between the two. >> how did you do when you ran against gavin newsom? >> i had my toughest time with black media. i had a great time with asian-american media, hispanic media, gloria romero, the former democrat senate minority leader crossed party lines and supported me because of the issue of school choice. i had a zoom meeting with 8-10 pastors. everything was going ok until i said that as a pup i -- that the police are not mowing down black people because they are black. it is not borne out by the studies. they went ballistic. as a number one problem -- i

said the number one problem in the black community is the breakdown of the family. i said you guys aren't role models and you are telling me that the number one problem is police brutality? it is not true. we had back-to-back black police chiefs. 40% of hispanic, 3% white, and percent black, the rest are asian americans. that is the representation of the police department. when something happens, you have a bunch of people screaming about police brutality. it is nonsense. take baltimore, a man died in police custody. in comes the obama administration to investigate whether baltimore is engaging in systemic racism. a month earlier the obama administration gave the award for their 31st policing.

they celebrated them. in baltimore at the time, freddie gray droit, the mayor was black. the number one and number two people running the police was black. six cops were charged, three of them were black. all city council was democrat, majority black. the united states attorney general was black and so was the president. i am reminded of the joke, wanda sykes says how can you complain about the man when you are the man? many of them have or have had superintendents of public schools, who are black, it is ridiculous. recently in philadelphia, there is a place called sesame place. it is an amusement park, i never heard of it until this incident. one of the muppets is walking

down and she is high-fiving everybody except for these two little black girls. there is a lot of video or either the character or other characters are high-fiving white kids and ignoring the black kids. it appears to be something systemic. i do not know. the video went viral and other people began producing videos and the park apologized. they are accused of engaging in systemic racism and they demand that they hire more black people and undergo systemic training. they put black people on the board of directors. a baltimore family that was there suit the place for $75 million. i do not doubt that there is something going on here. make into world war iii and philadelphia is on track for more homicides than that in their history.

44% of teachers in philadelphia put their own kids in private schools because the schools are so bad. in baltimore, the families who are suing for $35 million, there are 13 private high schools -- 13 public schools where 13% of kids can do math. there is a 0% efficient -- proficient in math or 1%. he writes a letter demanding all of this, it is nonsense. if there was a crime against leadership malpractice, some of these people would be on death row. >> at what point, being raised in south central did you become a conservative or was it after you left? >> there was no moment, my dad was a lifelong republican. my dad's the democrats want to

give you something for nothing. when he tried to get something for nothing you end up getting nothing for something. my mother was a lifelong democrat. there were quarrel in a civil way -- they would quarrel in a civil way when we set down for dinner. they were debate politics. my mother, because he was better educated, would beat him. of the older i got i realized my dad was using common sense. i was never a victim, i never felt i was impressed. i could not do what i needed to do if i worked hard. that is my orientation. when i took college economics, and i learned the downside of the minimum wage, that opened me up a little bit. i began reading ayn rand, i was somebody who never felt like i was a victim.

i believe in america, in hard work. it may be unpopular with some of the kids >>. after law school in cleveland, how did you get into the radio business? >> by accident. i left the law firm after three years, i started a law firm which i did for 14 years. the only thing i wanted to do was to be a writer. i also wanted to eat. i know how difficult it is to earn a living as a writer. i go to law school and when you graduate you may as well do something with the degree. went to a big law firm and i was a travel lawyer. i have fond memories of my law firm. they have emerged and it is a huge law firm. i began writing op-ed pieces for the newspaper when i started my firm. i had enough time i began

writing op-ed pieces. we had things like envelopes with stamps, i would write something and send it. i would get a court of saying thank you but no thank you. i did another one, thank you. finally, they published one. it is about five years ago, over 40 years ago i sent today in america, racism is no longer a major problem. i allowed -- how might my dad's philosophy. i got a call asking if i was black and i said i have been told. he offered for me to come on and talk about it. i was on for a full hour. now that i am in radio, that is a long time to keep somebody on who has never abandoned the. most of the calls were black people.

i was called uncle tom and a coconut and the antichrist at all sorts of names. it was the longest hour of my life. i remember driving back to my office and saying i will never do that again. as a station manager calls and says i was amazing. he says you took difficult positions, you defended them without losing your sense of humor, have you ever thought about doing talk radio? i have a guy going on vacation, or use it in for him? i asked that she asked if i was married and i said yes. he is a talk it over with her and call me if you change your mind. my wife says i would be good at it. i did it and for 20 minutes i heard angels singing. i could give my opinions and

make a living out of this? i met some people, i met dennis prager and he had me on his show. the station manager is still with us, he gave me a two day audition and he said after the first night, do you want this job? have fun and do not speak so quickly. i have been on radio ever since then and now i am on tv. >> in 2009, a new book from you came out, it came out again and now the title is what does rice have to do with it? >> i went to lax to see the book , as i do whatever my books come out, it is a torch to see your book at a lax bookstore. i said you carry stupid black man?

she says no, i do not like the title. we find out a lot of people writing to the title. the reason i titled it that is because there was a book called stupid white men. it was criticizing people for thinking black people were stupid. his was a bestseller but mine has pushed back. he renamed it or does rice have to do with it in order -- we renamed it what does rice have to do with it? >> supports stuff in -- who puts stuff like this in the minds of so many blacks? those who prattle on about the unfinished business of race in america. all claiming to quote keep it real by stirring the pot and

keeping blacks in greece, pessimistic, and less willing to invest in themselves. >> i would put at the top of the list, barack obama. i was in boston in 2004 when he lit up the arena, he gave the introductory speech for john kerry. i sit in my producer, this man will run for president someday. -- i said to my producer, this man will run for president one day. it was not the front runner on the primary side, steve, the correspondent said obama, if you do not win, will it be because of race? i was at home and i said let us

see what this man says. is he going to say the truth? he said no. if i do not win, it will because i have a network articulated a vision that the american people can embrace. i said hallelujah, i am not going to vote for him, but at least he will bring us together racially. he will stop the nonsense. i watched him give a speech at a black church, he was in the senate and he talked about how much racism there was. we have quite a 90% of the way there, my generation has to get us the additional 10%. i thought that was reasonable. 8% of americans believe elvis is still alive.

have to be written off. ii thought it was reasonable, what he said. what happens? he gets into office, he walks in the third week of january, he is at 70% approval. even though he only got 52% of the vote because so many people, in my opinion, said, i did not vote for him but he will bring us together racially. he will stop the nonsense. for the next eight years he did the opposite. if i had a sunday trade bond, there is a place called ferguson. racism in america's dna. he embraced black lives matter. he invited al sharpton to the white house 80 times. he did the opposite of what people thought he was going to do which is why he left, most americans thought race relations would improve but it deteriorated. in his last term there were two police officers executed in new york.

there were three killed execution style in baton rouge. five in dallas by three different black men, all motivated by the lie the police were engaging in systemic racism. the flames of which obama fanned along with his ag. they did damage in this country. when someone like barack obama, raised by a single mother, phd, he goes to harvard for law school, columbia for undergraduate from obscure state like hawaii becomes president and you're still whining about racism? it must be true. the ag, eric holder, he is probably making between $5 million and $10 million a year right now. he talked about pernicious racism. remember when donald sterling lost his team? it was around that time the nba took it away from him because of

the remark he made about blacks. eric holder gave a speech and said, blatant racism, we got that covered. someone like donald sterling? we have got that covered. it is the pernicious racism we have to deal with. i read the speech 100 times. he talked about three things. one was the movement toward voter photo id. majority of black support is for photo id. the supreme court decision written by john paul stevens said there was an interest in election integrity by states passing photo voter id. the majority of blacks support voter photo id. the second example is the fact blacks who commit the same crimes as white people will get a sentence 12.5% longer. he quoted the u.s. sentencing commission and that is true. what he did not say is the same commission said the reason is

because the average black criminal has more convictions, which judges take into consideration. the third thing he said was pernicious racism is that black boys are kicked out of school more often than white boys. also true. he sued the decatur, illinois school district when they kicked out black kids fighting after a football game. turns out they missed 400 days of school. all white school board. the school board points out in the lawsuit that no matter the race of the principal, the race of the school board, black boys are kicked out more often. this is eric holder, the attorney general, giving three examples of pernicious racism. that is all you got? they were all wrong? racism has never been a less important factor in america. i am not saying america does not have bigots. we know that. but we deal with them on a case-by-case basis.

take derek chauvin. there is zero evidence he did that because george floyd was black. he was not charged with a hate crime. let's deal with these things on a case-by-case basis. this is why young black men are not complying. i would not either if i thought the cop was going to do harm. i am told that by eric holder, barack obama, so-called black leaders. why would i not listen? i do not have a father to tell me otherwise. my father told my brothers and me if you are stopped by the cops, say yes sir, no sir, yes ma'am, no ma'am. he was not a biologist but he knew the difference between a man and a woman. make sure your paperwork is in order and if you feel you are mistreated, get the badge number and we will deal with that later. young black kids do not hear that but they hear eric holder talking about racism. it is making things worse and obama did a great deal of damage. i know he watches book notes and

in depth on c-span. i hope you heard this. i have tried to have a cover station because i know he knows what i know. there is a magazine called police mag and they talked about a poll in the magazine and people who were self describing peter as very liberal were asked, in 2019, how many unarmed black men to the police kill? half of the liberal people said 1000. 8% said 10,000. what about regular old liberals? 39% thought the police killed 1000 unarmed black man. 5% thought they killed 10,000. the answer according to the washington post is 12. if you are that wrong about what the police are doing, of course you are going to have fear. this is the level of propaganda that the left has allowed people to feel because they want their vote. how to get 95% of one group of

people voting for the democratic party unless you like to them about race relations? you have black people feeling things are worse than they are and they are not working nearly as hard as they should. look at the poll of who does homework at night. blacks, hispanics, whites, and asians, stairstep. if you do not do your homework, have in the world you expect to come out and do well in the market place? there is a relationship between how hard you work and the results. all too often we are told that the reason you are not where you want to be is because some but he held you back. nonsense. if somebody did not hold my father back, who has every reason to be angry at the world, they could not possibly hold you back. not get off. take advantage of your situation. pick up your cards no matter what they are and play them to the best of your ability. think tanks on the left and right disagree about all source of things, but the most prominent on the left is bookings and on the right the

american enterprise institute. they both say, you need to do the same things to leave poverty to get to the middle class. number one, finish high school. ideally one you can read, right, and compute. two, do not have a kid until your 20. third, get married first. four, keep your job and if it is a minimum wage job, you will get a raise. five, avoid the criminal justice system. do not commit crimes. if you do those things, you will not be poor. if you do not follow that, there is a good chance you will be. >> good afternoon and welcome to book tv's in depth program. this is our monthly author interview. we invite one author on to talk about his or her body of work. this month it is author, talkshow host and gubernatorial candidate larry elder. beginning in 2000, "ten things you can't say in america" came

out. that was followed by "showdown." "what has ray's got to do with it? " came out in 2009. "double standards" a collection of the essays in 2019 and the book we discussed a little bit, "a lot like me," was his most recent in 2018. this is your chance to participate and talk to mr. elder, asking questions. (202)-748-8001 for those in mountain and pacific time zones and if you want to send a text message, include your first name and city. you can send that to (202)-748-8903. we have social media sites. just remember @booktv is our

address if you want to post a comment or question. earlier today, mr. elder, i pulled up a tweet. this is from a gentleman named cory stewart. he asks, ask him real questions, like why does he belong to a party that openly courts white nationalist organizations that would like him dead? larry: nonsense. this is the donald trump used a racist dog whistle to get elected line of thinking. there are 700 counties that voted for obama in 2008, 2012. 200 switched and voted for donald trump in 2016. were they bitten by some radioactive racist spider? the city that most voted for donald trump in 2016 of over

100,000 was abilene, texas. 80%, 85%. after trump got elected guess who voted for the first black mayor in over 140 years? abilene, texas. nonsense. the idea that white people dislike black people to the point they would put a racist in the white house? there is a talkshow host, the one on -- >> chris plante? larry: msnbc. chris matthews. host: of course. larry: left-wing as hall. he wrote a book called "hardball." sharp book. he said most white people would never vote for somebody if they thought they were racist. this is chris wallace. >> chris matthews. larry: chris matthews.

he was longtime democratic speaker of the house. of student observer of politics. most white people would never vote for somebody they thought was racist. nonsense. why would donald trump want to be known as a bigot? this guy, donald trump, four years. best economy ever for black people. he pardoned jack johnson, first heavyweight champion that was black. obama did not pardon him. but trump did. he parted alice johnson, serious drug offense. he put permanent funding for black colleges on a 10 year basis. he did the first step act to allow, by the time he ended term, 5000 black men would have their sentences reconsidered and reduced. he pushed enterprise zones to reduce taxes and regulations in distressed areas to improve the

black economy. he supported school choice, which urban black parents and hispanic parents wanted. he secured the borders in the best ways been done in decades. why is that relevant for black people? the person who has done the more work on immigration is an economist named george warh oss. the big winners are employers who hire people for less money. they can push them around because they fear being deported. losers are unskilled black and brown people in the under city. most of the illegal aliens have high school or less and these are the people they compete against. one of my friends with the civil rights commission, black, he said there are probably a million jobs that would otherwise be held by black people because of the presence of illegal aliens. and they put about $2000 worth of downward pressure on wages every year. donald trump stopped that. as a result, the employment prospects for black and brown

people with high school or less education improved. if this guy is racist, he needs to go to racism school. >> from the l.a. times, september 4, 2021, the election of donald trump in 2016, in my opinion, was divine intervention. it was a miracle. he is almost god sent, larry elder. larry: right. well, who saw that coming? all these pundits, all these experts, including me. when i heard he might run, i said, he is not going to run. if he does, he will get in a few weeks. he will pack up and go back to trump tower. i was shocked at how well he did. i was shocked at the way he got people to start thinking long and hard about fake news. he secured the borders by talking about the wall. even joe biden is completing parts of the wall in arizona. i think what donald trump did it

shake the republican party up and get them to grow cashews and start standing up for their values. i am a huge fan of donald trump and i campaigned with him and for him. can i tell you one quick story? we are in cleveland in 2016 and we are campaigning together at a church. i said to him, there is one thing you need to apologize for. this man does not like to apologize. he said, i know what you're going to say. what i said about john mccain. i said, not at all. you said george w. bush lied us into the iraq war. he did not. there was a commission called the rob silverman commission and the intel was wrong, but there is zero evidence he lied. the d.c. bureau chief of the associated press at the time publicly said george w. bush lied us into the iraq war. democrats believe w either lied

or there is a strong possibility he did. it is not true. he was shooting at the british and american planes patrolling the no-fly zones. he was stealing from the food program. we know he had chemical weapons because he used them on the iranians. he went, [grumbling], but he never said it again. i realized his way of apologizing is never saying the wrong thing twice. >> let's go back to 2021 and here is the current president. [video clip] >> over the last year i got to run against the real donald trump. [booing] well, this year republican

running for governor here is the closest thing i have seen to a trump clone. [laughter] he is leading the other team. he is the clone of donald trump. can you imagine him being governor of the state? >> no! [shouting] >> you can't let that happen. [applause] larry: wow. [laughter] >> i think he was referring to you, mr. elder. larry: i would rather be called the clone of donald trump than the blackface of white supremacy. that is how they won the election. barack obama cut a commercial for gavin newsom. elizabeth warren did, bernie sanders did, kamala harris made comments, nancy pelosi.

they said the same thing -- stop the republican takeover. they never said gavin newsom was doing a great job on crime, because he wasn't. gavin newsom is doing a great job with schools. our schools are ranked near the bottom even though we are spending more than before. gavin newsom is doing great in attracting people to california when people are actually leaving and taking tax dollars with them. i cannot think of anything this man has done right. nobody tried to defend his record. they said, don't let republicans take over because republicans are unpopular in california, outnumbered three to one, and that is how they succeeded. but he would not debate me and i would ask reporters, let's debate the issues. they never did and he never did. when i got into the race the

recall side went into the margin of error. he was scared. he called out the dogs. all this money came in from the unions, hollywood, snoop dogg even tweeted against me even though snoop dogg supports school choice. for one shining moment they were scared to death which is why so many of the heavy lumber came out. >> larry elder, we were talking before the show. you had some flight problems coming out here. you ended up going through des moines which was kind of funny. you said you are going back. larry: i am going back in a couple of weeks for the state fair. it is a rite of passage of you running for higher office. a lot of people have asked me to consider it. this may sound self-serving, it may sound immodest, but i would rather not do it. but for the issues i want to talk about, pro-choice, the breakdown of the family, the connection between the breakdown of family and crime, the importance of securing the borders.

i am not sure there are many people that can speak about these things as persuasively and passionately as i can. i want to do that. i want to do what god wants me to do and i believe god wants this. i had a conversation with ben carson when i was at cpac in dallas days ago. ben said, i am going to do what god wants me to do. i said, that is exactly how i feel. i feel that i have a patriotic and spiritual obligation to do what i think can help the country. if i can do nothing more than tell people of color, knock it off, pick up the cards, play them to the best of your ability and you will be fine, and get back to values. get back with the church. get back to right and wrong. if i can do that and wake up a few people and do what i thought obama was going to do but refused to do, i will assert my purpose. >> have you been to mar-a-lago? larry: i have a couple of times. i was there for the premier of "2000 mules."

all of these people are going to the drop boxes stacks of mail-in ballots. i do not think they were legitimate. places like cleveland, philadelphia, atlanta, detroit. i was also there for another event. i have been a couple of times. >> have you expressed this view point of running to president trump? larry: i have not. since mar-a-lago is when i thought about it but i have not expressed it. i am not afraid to. i think the likelihood obama will be the nominee is quite high. >> biden. larry: what did i say? obama? i think the likelihood of trump getting the nomination is high and i'm fine with that. i would gladly vote for him again. or ron desantis. i have things i want to say. i have my own lane and i am not going to say anything critical. by the way, when i ran for governor, there were half a

dozen major republicans on the replacement side. i did not say a single negative thing about them even though i was not the front runner. i did not want to get with the firing squad. there was crime, hopelessness, the way he shut down the government. not wearing masks, not doing social distancing. kids were already behind in california. we all knew the issues were. but i did not say a negative thing about him, but they did not adhere to the same principle. one of them in particular was the favorite of the republican establishment. the gop did not endorse me. the state party did not endorse me. they wanted kevin faulkner, two time mayor of san diego. kevin mccarthy wanted him. well, i carried san diego county by 31 point. the other favored was a guy named kevin kiley, now running for congress.

i carried his county by 30 points. i galvanized the bay and when they realized that, they many the establishment, they did not endorse anybody officially but they wanted kevin faulkner. my point in telling you that is i am not out there to trash donald trump. i think you did a great job. i thought he got the raw deal on the hunter biden story. 91% of their stories about donald trump are negative even though inflation was low, the economy was great, no new wars. i thought it was a ticketless iran deal and the climate change deal. i thought he did great things. but he was trashed by a two and a half your collusion that turned out to be empty. the man was incredibly mistreated. i am not going to say anything negative about him or ron desantis. i have things i want to talk about, notably the breakdown of the family. >> final question before we go to calls. what about the election deniers

and january 6? larry: well, let me give you a long answer. here is what i find irritating about this whole business of election deniers. there have been numerous election deniers on the democratic side. hillary for four years referred to donald trump as a legitimate and said the election was stolen. 67% of democrats believed russians changed vote tallies to get donald trump elected. there was a 1000 page report looking into the election of 2016. zero evidence a single vote tally was changed. the secretary of homeland security testified under oath, zero evidence a single tally was changed. 67% of democrats believe the russians changed vote tallies to elect donald trump. he also said, we don't know whether or not the russian interference altered the outcome of the election. we don't know. to have a country that was no

interference -- we cannot compare because we do not know. 78% according to gallup, democrats believe russian interference altered the outcome in favor of donald trump. a greater percentage of democrats feel 2016 was stolen. benny johnson, the chair of the house january 6 committee, in 2005, he joined if i democrats to refuse to seat the electors in ohio because the allegation the voting machines have been tampered with. no evidence but here he is denying 2005 election in ohio. al gore to this day believes the election was stolen from him. barbara boxer as did maxine waters as did jones. donald trump does it, he is undermining the election, but these guys do it and it is fun.

stacey abrams says her election was

the state attorney, secretary of state used covid as excuse to send in mail in ballots every single registered voters whether the requested one or not. donald trump filed a lawsuit. he lost. the michigan supreme court didn't take up the case leaving the appellate ruling to do one in force. a judge called a dissent and said what the secretary did was illegal. it means the lawsuit wasn't ridiculous. pennsylvania all sorts of rules and regulations were broken including accepting mail in ballots after the deadline. donald trump filed a lawsuit. two west leaning professors both thought the lawsuit had merit and dershowitz predicted your supreme court would take it up and donald trump would win. he was wrong but it shows you there was something there. wisconsin supreme court voted procedural grounds throwing out the lawsuit but the chief justice of the wisconsin supreme

court said these dropboxes were illegal. since then the supreme court in wisconsin has ruled going forward thesese dropboxes to be illegal. there was some merit in all these lawsuits donald trump filed. all he did was hire lawyers like john eastman a friend of mine, and rudy giuliani to make legal arguments. the same as the democrats did. there's nothing wrong with hiring a lawyer. this business about trump orchestrating an insurrection credibly unfair. on that day he said i want you to go and patriotically and peacefully make your voices heard. what part of peacefully and patriotic or don't you understand? they keep talking but he said fight fight fight. political rhetoric. take back america, the fight to take back america. people say that all the time. trump on that day, two days before that, patel was chief of staff of the acting secretary of defense and he said i was in the room when trump authorize the

use of up to 20,000 national guardsmen and women in the event they are necessary. it's not my job donald trump stopped to deploy them. he asked to have, they have to be requested and that's the job of nancy pelosi and at thed capitol hill police and they did not request the use of these troops but donald trump authorize their availability. who authorize the visibility of 20,000 national guardsmen if he's orchestrating an insurrection? it doesn't make sense. i will bet you, i will bet my house although it's near hollywood, i would bet my house merrick garland the ag is not going to indict donald trump. .. host: let's take some calls for larry elder. first of all, mr. elder, thank you for taking the opportunity to discuss these topics. >> a few things, i grew up in

private school, went to school with lebanese, blacks, puerto rican and believed, my grandfather once told me, he said life is about choices and opportunity. when i was 15 years old-- when i was 15 years old i was on a team program on a deejay program that later propelled me into doing work in radio and high school and college, done real estate radio and adult ed, nascar, and i could go on and on like you and i've listened so much to what you said. you're going to laugh at the next comment and then i'll ask my question. >> okay. >> the only thing i thought donald trump did wrong when he came down the tower, diarrhea at the mouth. if he had cleaned up some of what he said and i voted for him, but i want to know your comment on forces and opportunities and why is it you think that so many people don't want to do that?

they want somebody else to tell them what to do. >> okay, we've got it, bill. >> thank you for that. i think a lot of people are afraid of freedom. freedom means if you don't get what you want, haven't achieved where you want to go, it's on you and that scares a lot of people. regarding life being choices, quick story, bill, i'm on a sailboat in lake erie, i lived in cleveland and one of my buddies had a sailboat and i'm on there with a bunch of other people and one guy happened to be white, 25, 30 years old is complaining to me about his job, his boss, hates his boss, hates his job and after 20 minutes or so, what are you going to do about it? and it looked as if someone hit him in the head with a two by four. are you going to do anything about it? and i completely forget about the conversation. a letter from him, dear larry and reminded me what happened on the boat.

started his own business, 10, 15 people working for him, a multi-millionaire and never been happier, if you had not slapped me in the face and told me i had to take responsibility, who knows with an i would have done. and we all need a push. overcoming laziyness, life is about opportunity. promise of gain and fear of loss is what motivates most people and doing nothing and procrastinating is really, really quite easy for people to do. it's up to us, to pick up our cards and play them again to the best of our ability. >> jim, casper, wyoming, good afternoon. >> hey, good afternoon. larry, i've been enjoying your show today. hey, i just wanted to ask you, i actually had kind of given up on california and left. i was wondering, larry, if you're interested in running again? you did so well in the recall, you didn't win it, but made an impact would you think of running for california governor again. >> before we get that answer.

what is your california experience, where did you live and move and why? >> i was born in tahoe and lived in sacramento and lived there for my entire life and about 55 years old i lived there until 2020 when i got an opportunity to move. and so i-- it was a beautiful state, it's-- met my wife there and a lot of great things, tired of the taxes, for the people raising taxes on themselves. so, i just decided i needed to move somewhere and probably find a little more agreement on things. just curious if larry might do that. >> thank you, jim. >> thank you for that. in 2003, as i mentioned. there was a successful recall of a democratic governor, arnold schwarzenegger game governor, since then until now, there are 5% more registered democrats. 50% more registered independents, independents according to the new york times vote democrat. 33% fewer registered republicans and still i ended

up getting 49% of the replacement vote as did arnold schwarzenegger, but that's daunting. there hasn't been a republican elected in california in 20 years statewide and by the way when the race was over, a lot of the major rivals, john cox, others, grumbled that had larry elder not done this or that, done this or this, he would have won and i told a reporter who interviewed these people and sour grapes how the campaign went. i said let's find out how many of the people run against gavin newsom when he runs for reelection come this november. if they know the secret sauce, i'm sure they're going to jump in and run against him. not a single one did. the person who won the primary, a guy who won the primary, brian daily, and the math is daunting in california. i can understand why people are giving up on california. there's a mag called ceo magazine, it's been around

about 17 years, for 17 years they asked ceo what's the best state to do business and taxes and whether or not they have a friendly atmosphere. >> for 17 years, texas the number one state to do business and 17 years california the worst. elon musk left. shapiro left, dave ruben left. and a lot of people are leaving and taking taxes with them e elon musk alone this year, 2 1/2 billion, and you're losing that money and not this year, but every year that the man is doing business. and sooner or later the state will hit rock bottom and the democrats will rethink the hospitality towards republicans and until it is, it's daunting for any republican to win office statewide. i decided not to do it again.

>> have you considered leaving? >> i have not. i was born and raised there. the dirty little secret if you bought a house in the '80s in california, it's a lot of money and i bought, in the hollywood hills, and i've got a lot of equity in the house. my friend are there, pastor is there and i'd like to fight it take it back and if i can't do it in that level. >> what's the reaction to you in hollywood, since running for governor. >> hollywood is an interesting area, known as left wing as hell, and hollywood, 90% go to the democrats. when it was pretty clear that i was a serious threat to gavin newsom, an article in the hollywood reporter about how gavin newsom called out hollywood to unite against him.

however, underlying people in hollywood, the normal people in hollywood, i go somewhere and they look both ways and they come up to, i can't let anybody know how conservative i am and how it works, but i voted for you. i was at my house one time and got a knock on the door, it was a scout locator shall we're going to do a movie next door to you, we'd like to use your property for a catering service. we negotiated to do that. a movie with annette benning, and antonio bandaras, i'd never seen a movie filmed and the head of catering came over to me and no one could hear the conversation. larry remember me, the guy that came to your house. >> oh, yeah. >> i haven't worked since then. they found out that i knew you, they knew that i liked you, otherwise i wouldn't have come up to you, i haven't worked since then. i can give you story after story after story like that. i had a court show called moral court. a judge show, best judge show

ever, and should have reupped it. the guy that designed my set, million dollar set. so crafty rnc asked them to design the set for the political convention and he did, he told he didn't work for two years, i'm gay, left wing, a democrat, but because i worked on that set they thought i was republican and when i told them i wasn't that i committed a moral sin working for the rnc even though they paid me a lot of money to design the set. that's how intolerant it is. >> and cornelia, please go ahead with comments for larry elder. >> mr. elder, thank book tv and everything. boy, i've been waiting to talk to you, i live in alexandria, louisiana, i don't know if you remember a guy named louis armstrong. >> are you kidding? greatest trumpeter ever.

louis armstrong said it's the racist city he'd ever been in never coming back to alexandria, louisiana and never performed again in alexandria how racist this place can be, but what i want to say to you as an african-american, i left the democratic party a long time ago. i'm 61 years old, and i used to work for the u.s. bureau of prisons at oakdale, they had the riot there with the cubans, i came in right after that riot. and they got saying the n-word and stuff like that and i wasn't going to tolerate that stuff. so they eventually brought a black warden down here and said i threatened to kill the warden and stuff and got rid of me and stuff, you're right, if you go to jail, you can't do anything and so i've been trying to clear my name and stuff. but i want to salute you, like i said. your father, when you told that story about your father being a tough marine and stuff, man, that really sent chills through my bones and stuff.

i was a military police officer, also. >> all right, cornelius, thank you for calling in. mr. elder, any comment for cornelius? >> thank you for the love. it's not fun being called an uncle tom, or called a coconut or oreo. if that's what it takes to wake up people and enjoy the reasons that we have. and a reason that cubans are braving shark infested waters to get here and haitians are coming up here here, and central americans are come here, to a systematically racist country, fine, i was giving a speech once, peter and invited to republican clubs to give a speech, most of the audience is white. sometimes a black person, not that they need a special handshake, there's a black man at the back, and talk and shake his head like this, say

something, schick his head and this guy is going to kill me. the speech is over, he walks up to me, and he says mr. elder, i'm really angry at myself. i had no idea that 70% of kids are born outside of wedlock. a 50% drop-out rate in our urban schools and 25% of black men inner city criminal charges, and the i thought i was well-informed and i've been watching too much -- and he named outlets. now i'm going to look at this, shake me up and wake me up. >> some of the trump convictions, is that fair? >> i thought the war on drug should be a policy issue not a criminal justice issue. it's okay for somebody next door to have a martini and three and four, and that's okay

and you have marijuana. >> you said being called an uncle tom. >> i've gotten used to it. go a couple of days without it. >> and you have a website, uncle tom and we'll show a video of it. ♪♪ >> when you look at these pictures, you get a sense of what black life is like. >> looks pretty prosperous. >> divine providence was nearly operating in the lives of black americans. >> through our history, black folks were honorable, they had integrity, that's what black people were.

>> we were never taught that america was bad and that we were not americans. we were raised to love america. >> protesters topple a statue of christopher columbus. >> hundreds of statues vandalized. >> you see people trying to rewrite history. >> american people know these names have to go. >> why is that? >> whenever you have something to be proud of, people have less of a chance of controlling you. >> racist from top to bottom, from right to left and for black people to become a part of that, coming back anti-black,. >> there's no can't in this world a black person would rather be, unless they grow up in this country. you broke the contract for 400 years. >> and that's most effective. >> black lives matter. black lives matter. >> the reason that that exists

is power. >> there are people who are using the negro in order to establish their power in washington and the negro is merely a pawn in a game that's bigger than he is. >> ♪♪ >> larry elder. >> that is the trailer to the sequel, it's called uncle tom ii, uncle tom i came out on juneteenth in 2020. it cost roughly $500,000 to make the rule of thumb, peter in hollywood, if you can do three times your film's cost you can get a hit. uncle tom did almost 10 times its cost. i executive produced it, a brilliant, brilliant director and co-writer justin malone along with a writer and shadow

jackson helped to write it, as did i, and it's all about the way the left marxism, socialism, collectivism have co-operated the civil rights movement and created legitimate questions for equal rights into equal results and the end game is black lives matter. people that are trained markists and karl marx job, he said was to dethrone god and the civil rights movement for the pastors that believed in judeo christian values and family and what we've done is replace god and family with government and that's what uncle tom i and uncle tom ii are about. you can go to uncle tom.com and see it free, and uncle tom ii is august 26th. i'm enormously proud. just go on this imdb and read the reviews. there are hundreds of reviews.

and the reviews-- it's almost as if i wrote them myself. open up my eyes, i didn't know this about the naacp mlk one time said if there's a city with 30% blacks, the percentage of executives in that company should be 30%. what? so the country's 13% black should be 13% nba players as opposed to 85%? ridiculous. and so, the movie, the first one somebody said is a love letter to america. the second movie, i say, is a dear john letter to marxists, collectivists and people like black lives matter who are manipulating black people for power. as i said earlier, the reason you're able 0 get 95% of black people to vote one way and not talk about crime, not talk about education, not talk about work opportunities, is because of this lie that america is systematically racist and the real cause should be the cause of social justice whatever that means and that's the democrats party has done to black people

and uncle tom i and ii are trying to undo that damage. let's go back to calls, david, tulsa. >> i'd like to ask, what is critical race theory and what does it mean to him? >> what does it mean to you, david? >> i don't know. that's why i'm asking your guest. i really don't know. i'm very confused about that issue. >> thank you, sir. >> it's a really good question. i'm not sure either. i know that the proponents much it, in my opinion, are trying to tell young white people that are opressors, and young white people that they're oppressed. and virtually everything in america that you're not happy with can be explained because of race and racism, unequal outcomes with race and racism. 1940, 87% lived below the defined level of poverty. a 40 point drop in 20 years, greatest 20 year period of

economic expansion before the civil rights movement, before the civil rights act of '64, '65 before brown versus board of education. >> why? strong families belief in god. >> what is it today, do you know offhand, poverty rate. >> poverty rate among blacks, 20%, whites, 10%. always twice as high and the poverty rate was falling steadily and after '65 or so levelled out and been that way since. had government stayed out of it, we'd have much lower poverty right now and we'd have stronger families. >> jim, from california. >> thank you for taking my call and thank you, mr. elder, fascinating listening to you. my question is though, i live in an area that's beautiful. in the southern sierras in the national forest essentially and i love it, but the area and many of the people i know and many of the areas around me are areas of deep, deep poverty.

i'm talking-- i would estimate the lower 10, 15% of the populous and it's mainly white, native american, hispanic-american, some african-american, not very many. it's a very poor area and what i see the problem is that i don't think anybody cares about these people. you talked about just recently just mentioned that since the '60s, the rate hasn't gone down. i'm not sure it has anything to do with party. i live in kevin mccarthy's district, about as conservative a place as you can be and most people vote for him and he hasn't done a bad job in my opinion, but i don't think really that republicans care about the people at the lower end if they can get their votes that's nice, if they don't, they don't really care about them. the democrats don't care about them much either they're more worried making sure that electric car credits and solar panels on houses and i know

people who have no housing and i would call substandard housing and travel trailer. >> tim, we'll get an answer to what you had to say in a second. during the recall election, did you support larry elder? >> i supported the recall of gavin newsom. >> thank you, sir. >> dodged the question. [laughter]. >> yeah. >> on this business about people not really caring about the poor, if by that you mean people don't care about the results of the money that's being spend on anti-poverty programs, he's not wrong. since the mid '60s, we've spent probably $22 trillion on anti-poverty program and poverty has won. but on the caring part, there's a book called "who really cares", arthur c brooks, i think you interviewed him. >> oh, he's been on this program. >> he was at the time i believe a public policy student at syracuse, he wasn't raised as a conservative and found out that nobody had done an academic study on who is more generous

with time and money, he assumed liberals were. he was shocked. conservatives give far more money, more time, more blood than do liberals. for two reasons, one conservatives are more religious than liberals. liberals gave as much as religious conservatives did, fewer of them. and secondly, most conservatives believe that welfare, the poor, should be helped one-on-one, through churches, through organizations, not through government and talk the talk and walk the walk. so isn't it interesting? i'm doing a documentary, the 10 biggest liberal lies and one is that liberals are more generous than conservatives. it's the opposite, not even close, but this is a narrative that he is been pushed by the left and a lot of people believe. if government got out of the welfare business, and allowed individuals to do it, the churches to do it, i think we'd be in a much better place right now. >> i want to read a quote from you in 2001, from showdown,

your book. the republican party professes to support limited government expanding it. at least the democratic party makes no pretense of adhering the founding father's version of a limited government that trusts the people. >> right. and that's why i support a convention of states, so there should be an amendment to the constitution so that government expansion would be limited to a 6 percentage of the gdp, i would prefer less than 10%, war and natural disaster. ronald reagan came in 1980 and campaigned with a promise to shut down the department of education. when he theft the department of ed was bigger than before. under george w. bush, expanded health care for kids, that would be cruel and unusual. and both parties government expanded, even donald trump's campaign in 2016 he said we need to replace obamacare, quote, with something better. so one government program is

better than another government program? the way to replace obamacare is with free market. more competition. competition improves everything, makes everything cheaper, improves the quality and makes it more accessible and half of our health care dollars paid for by the government in my opinion the health care system is not as good as it could be. >> next call for larry elder, comes from demetrius in los angeles. please go ahead. demetrius hung up, i'm sorry. frank, butler, tennessee. >> hello, larry. a pleasure to speak with you, you are a breath of fresh air and my quick question is this, the next book. >> i'm sorry. >> the topic of your next book. >> i think i'm writing one about my mom. a lot of people asked me to write about my mother. >> the secretary of state you call her. >> the chief justice. >> that's it. >> she came on my program every

friday for one hour. and i asked my dad to come on, and he's a man of few words and when he speaks they count. i coaxed him to come on, and he didn't want to and finally he agreed and because i leaned on him. >> he has a series who gives better tips, white people, black people, men, women. and he says the person that tips the best are white men. especially if they're overweight. don't ask me why. the worst tippers of black females and he had the whole thing, he could look at you when you walked in his restaurant and tell what kind of tip you're going to leave and almost always right. i have him on the dad, dad, who is better tippers, blacks or whites? >> my dad goes, oh, you know, i don't think we can generallylize. i said, well, dad who gives better tips, men or women? >> i don't think you can generallylize, it was the longest 15 minutes of my life.

during the commercial break i get on the phone, i said dad, what are you doing to me? i don't want to offend people. i said we're talk radio, and put mom on the phone. and a star was born. my mom would yell about me. and she was a kennedy democrat and voted twice for george w. bush and voted reagan and she wouldn't change her party because it was emotional, but felt that the democrats had gone off the reservation and never could support them. >> when did viola and randolph pass? >> my mom died 15 years ago, and my dad 10 years ago. and my dad was nine years older and assumed my dad before my mom, and it's the second time i saw my dad cry when my mom died. they were wonderful. i once asked-- must have been 10 years before they died i'm at the kitchen table, peter-- >> the picture we're showing right now, i don't know if you can see it over here, do you

see that? >> i don't know what occurred to me to ask them, i said, mom, dad, what did you do on your first date, they were married 54 years. and my mom looked at my dad and my dad looked at my mom and i said you guys don't remember? what was dad wearing? mom looked at dad, and what was mom wearing? i said this is romantic. [laughter] >> you've lost a brother as well. >> i did, my brother died, september 13th, 2019. he was my best friend and he was at his computer at 5:00 in the morning, friday the 13th, had a heart attack and died. he was two weeks before his 70th birthday and he and my sister-in-law theresa planned to go to hawaii for his 70th birthday and died and six or eight months after that, my youngest nephew, eric, was

found face down, heart attack, 38 years old and i believe it was grief for his father. and my sister-in-law lost her husband and her son, and she's in a support group, goes regularly. she's in nursing, works hard and really sweet and i adore her, god, what a one-two punch she suffered. >> leo, you're on with larry elder. >> hi, mr. elder, nice talking to you. my question would be, please correct me at the end of this when i tell you what happened. correct me if i'm right or wrong. prior to the election i started receiving mail for three japanese people. i live alone. i started receiving phone calls, text messages, from democrats asking me to vote for people and they called my name doug. my name is not doug.

then what happened, i found out that a young man in los angeles was pulled over with 300 ballots, a gun, and some booze and money. okay. so that made me wonder what's going on. so i looked into it. i come to find out gavin newsom hired approximately 20,000 ballot harvesters to collect ballots. so then i looked a little further and i called my county board of supervisors, and what i found out was that the entire election for the entire united states was based upon the 2010 census, dead people, the three japanese people that i'm talking about, they're all dead. we found out, they're dead. >> all right, leo, let's see what mr. elder has to say about those. >> well, there are-- >> statements. there are lots of allegations made during the recall election because as i said when i got

into the race, all of a sudden the recall went into the margin of error, 24 points. a lot of people said it was anomaly. i never said that the election was-- the only people should be voting by mail is disabled people and endless voting weeks before the election is zero sense and too much possibility for the possibility of fraud. if we need to make people feel confident. adam kinzinger on the committee, said if half the electorate believes the election is stolen, we can't have a democracy. at least half of the democrats believe that for 2016. and you had to show up on election with i.d. the only way mail-in ballots if

they're disabled or not going to be in town. to make the elections secure enough to have the confidence you should have. you don't have the mail-in ballot stuff in europe for the most part and when they have much more stringent requirements than we have. >> larry elder, you talk about going to iowa to the iowa state fair and potentially exploring the presidential, and if anybody picks up your book, 10 things to say, is there anything, oops, shouldn't have said. >> i reviewed stuff for my interview, wow, it's pretty good, i forgot i said that, i need to start saying that again. no, i'm pretty happy with it. i think i would have emphasized the importance of security borders more when i was, you know, when i wrote 10 things, i don't think i mentioned immigration much at all. but, no, the country has got

ten bigger and bigger in terms of government intrusiveness. i was on fox news once and i said in 1900 at all three levels government took less than 10% of the american people. right now is takes about 35% and when you add a value to unfunded mandates, government takes almost half of what the american people produce. i get a phone call from a fact checker organization, is there a source for your assertion that government at all three levels in 1900 took less than 10%. i gave them a source. is there a source for your assertion for 35%. i gave them a source. unfunded mandates government takes almost half of what the american people produce. >> gave the sources. >> they wrote a piece, elder half right, and meter in the center. and elder was right 9%, and elder was right, 32%. but when you put a value on

unfunded mandates it's almost half, that's subjective. of course it's subjective, but the economists like leo from ucla, if anything elder understated the amount and heritage foundation, put the number also at 50%. the reason it's subjective is assume like george mcgovern, he complained about this one time. when mcgovern left the senate he started a bed and breakfast pan it went bust. this is a democrat candidate in 1972. it went bust and he wrote a piece about it in the wall street journal, i wish i had known how difficult it was to run a business, i would have been a better senator, but all of these rules and regulations you impose make it difficult to make a profit. hello! and one of them is he was forced to put a security system at his bed and breakfast he's going to have one, but wanted one more expensive than the one owe thought he needed. does that add value when it's a mandate and cost the whole thing or cost just the part he

would have gotten versus the part he would have had to pay and there are subjective things that are involved in ti agree with that. i was so angry with the article, i contacted the two fact checkers and asked them to come on my program and to their credit they did. so i said elder was right on this one and that one and wrong on that one. how come i didn't get two-thirds right instead of half right, is that new math? no there's not much i regret having written. >> where can people see your show and when is it on. >> epic tv on ntd, new tang dynasty.com, spectrum, find out where it is in your area and we also put excerpts up on youtube, and epic tv has a website, also, urging all people to go to epic tv, supply for $9 a month, but a lot of programming and documentary january 6th that came out and

powerful for those of you who have been watching the january 6th committee hearings. this is another perspective, another point of view. >> do you still do your daily radio show? >> i don't. i stopped doing it as of may of this year and first time in 30 years i've not done a daily radio show? >> do you miss it? >> i do, i miss the connection, i was on radio three hours a day for almost 30 years, but enjoying my tv show and i have a pac elder for america and flying around the country to help candidates take back the house and senate and campaign for school of choice, and false unclaimed d.a.'s, and need more flexibility to do that and i'm having a good time. busier than before. uncle tom ii on august 26th. a documentary i'm working on called, 10 biggest liberal lies and writing a book about the gubernatorial campaign which i'm hoping will come out sometime next year. >> barry, tampa, good afternoon, you're on with larry

elder. >> how you doing? they had me waiting so long and so many segments, oh, man, let me give me a minute, and i live down south. okay. i'm atheist and not a republican or a democrat. okay. i believe that there's a lot of uninformed voters and to the united states and i don't prescribe to particular party and don't like labors-- labels, because i find that you can do. the uncle tom comment you make about you, you always need somebody on the inside as well as the outside. don't worry about the uncle tom thing. people have a problem with educated black men that know how to articulate and communicate. on that notoriety there, my

problem with california i want to ask you about is the homeless problem. we're one of the richest countries in the world and yet, this homeless problem that's getting out of hand. i'm in the process of writing a book about the failures of capitalism because i believe certain things shouldn't be for profit. those three things are health care, education, and incarceration, i feel like if we want to be the strongest or number one super power in the world, you can't have stupid people, you can't have sick people, and you have no -- any way to-- no type of attitude to reform prisoners if you're making money off of them. >> barry, we got that point. tell us very briefly about yourself. >> like i said, i'm from the north, i live in the south, there was a point when i couldn't understand why black people were republicans, but

once i did my research, if you notice history of the parties and how they switched, i understand why there are black republicans because if you're from the south that the democrats for the party are the slave owners, so, it goes against every fiber of their body to be able to vote democrat. the democrats have used the racial card as that's the only card that they use, you understand what i'm saying and republicans-- >> barry, we're going to leave it there. hoping to find out more biographical information, what kind of work he did. but the homeless and writing the book about no profit for health care, education, and incarceration. >> well, on homeless, you're quite right. this is the wealthiest country in the world and no reason we should have this problem, but most of the people who are homeless have mental problems or are alcoholics or addicted to drugs. and that's a spiritual problem. i talked to dr. ben carson when i was in-- when i was running for

governor, and he talked about a plan that he had and had the trump administration had a second term, they already had this ready to go it was on federal land, didn't have the same regulations and rules that you have on other land, and they were going to build a lot of low cost, small housing, and he told me that the mayor was on board of l.a., even governor gavin newsom was on board, there's plenty of money to treat people and treat people first and then they would be offered opportunities to live on federal property in these houses that would be built and ben carson believes that most of the homeless people would take up people on their offer and then be willingly relocated to these areas where federal property is. we had to do something though. it's gotten worse and worse. when gavin newsom was mayor of san francisco, a two-term mayor he promised to end the homeless problem in san francisco before the end of his term. well, it's worse than ever, and when he was lt. governor for 10

years and pounded the desk and complained he had nothing to do and i suggested maybe, just maybe he might want to fulfill his campaign problem to solve the homeless problem in san francisco, it's gotten worse. it's not a housing first problem, it's a spiritual problem. a direct relationship between the breakdown of the family and the large number of people who are homeless, but we can address this by dealing with mental illness and dealing with alcoholism and low cost housing so they would have somewhere to go. >> roger is in southbury, connecticut, please go ahead, roger, you're on book tv. >> larry, thank you so much. i think you're outstanding. i have a couple of comments to make and then i will ask a question. here is one of my comments, chuck schumer on may 7th made an impassioned plea before concern commemorating the beating of john lewis coming

over the edmund tullis bridge, but he always conveniently forget to mention the fact that they were-- that he was beaten by democrats. the second thing, i have a daughter that she doesn't understand the history and in 1969 when there was forced busing, louisa day hicks and the democrats of boston greeted the children on the buses with bricks and not only threw the bricks at buses, but at the children as well. and the last thing i'm going to say, i'm trying to be brief, but in 1854, henry david thorough wrote an essay, slavery in massachusetts and in the essay he said that the--

he admonished the democrats because they were the slave holders. he admonished the press because the press was sympathetic to the democratic cause and he said that the press with few exceptions is corrupt. and if my math is correct, that's 168 years ago. and my question to you is, and i know you're doing your best and so is vince ellison, how do we communicate the history of what has happened to the black community and to-- >> now what, roger, we're going to have to leave it there. thank you for that. any comments? >> well, roger, that's why i did uncle tom and uncle tom ii and if you watch both the documentaries, you'll have a full course on exactly the history of these two parties and you're quite right. democrats were the party of slavery. and souza once said there were no republican slave owners and

they went nuts and found some republican slave owners out of 400,000 slave owners maybe six or eight might have been republicans and even those started out as democrats. the republican party was a party of jim crowe. democrats, i didn't say the democratic party, but democrats founded the kkk and all of these politicians that stood in front of the school doors, george wallace, segregation now, segregation tomorrow, democrats, and all of a sudden in the '60s, they switched sides a look at all the people that voted against the civil rights act of '64, the democrats who voted against it, soum switched and became republicans? two. most notably strom thurman. most were democrats and died democrats. republicans are party of responsibility, party, family, god and urging all of my fellow blacks to take a good hard look at the history of the republican party and the

history of the democratic party and now what democrats have done with welfare, to essentially attack the black family and replace government with god and family. a different kind of slavery is pushed in my opinion by democrats versus the actual slavery they used to push. >> bruce is in california, democrats line. go ahead, bruce. >> hey, how are you doing, mr. elder. >> bruce. >> why do the republicans treat hillary clinton so bad during the benghazi, what was the deal about biden's son? what was the deal about donald trump's like 22 people in his cabinet were convicted of some kind of conviction? what's up with that? >> we're going to leave it there and let you have a comment. i'm not sure where he was-- >> i have no comment. >> okay, neil, prescott,

arizona. you're on the air. >> howdy, i've got a little bit of a history, economist from high school and then i was at the course at 16 to join the communist party, black panthers, black irish, as a kid didn't understand. i was asked to join the ira and kkk, everybody should know of course they're all democrats. almost beaten to death because my partner was black on a chopper. >> and my grandfather rented the first black family in compton his house, he was an irish cop. people don't understand the history of california and what happened with democrats and the republicans and ever course, i was in the business of firearms and historical artifacts, i sold guns, antique and modern,

the whole idea the first gun laws were against blacks and as mr. elder knows, that everybody is equal under god, so everybody should be under the second amendment equal. but then-- >> and that's something you write about, the gun laws you write about in the 10 things you can't say in america. >> the famous, probably the worst supreme court decision ever was dread scott. and the chief justice ruled if black people are anything other than chatle, then they could get guns and lord knows what they would do to exact revenge on the former slave owners. his evolution from being a communist is not uncommon. thomas was a markist even after he went to university of chicago and studied under the free market guys, he was still a marxist. he didn't change until he began working for the department of labor and he was tasked with doing a study on the impact of the minimum wage and came back and said the minimum wage destroys jobs. milton freedman says the minimum wage is probably the

most anti-black law in the statute books. so he found out they didn't care. and that got him rethinking about his ideology. my good friend, david horowitz of the david horowitz freedom center wrote a book "radical son", i think you interviewed him, too, used to be a marxist and work for the black panthers and realize what was happening and what people were saying and how it was hurting people and did a complete 180 and now a very conservative activist with a think tank. >> well, you mentioned tom sole and we ask every author who comes on the program their favorite book and what they're reading. and larry elder, "the fountain head, bonfire of the vanities, and every book by thomas sole,

what is your relationship, where did you meet him? >> i met him because of you and c-span. i was on years ago, and they said we want to broadcast your show live. i was on four hours and i get a letter tra thomas. we watched four hours and it was magnificent. you explained free market principles, explained the importance of education and family, i am a fan. are you kidding me? that's like getting a letter from elvis or babe ruth and i wrote him back, we became good friends and invited me to spend the weekend with him in the bay area where he lives and i was invited to his 80t this. birthday. >> we're going to show some of that 1996 video that the doctor saw when we played it live on c-span. >> wow. >> maestro, if you would. ♪♪

>> the larry elder, contract with america is as follows, number one, pass a 15% flat tax, no deductions. let's call it the let's make tax lawyers and lobbyists an endangered species act. number two, reduce government by approximately 80%. less than 2% of the americans are farmers, yet the department of agriculture still add more bureaucrats. what exactly does the small business administration do anyway, other than loan money to people who default in far greater numbers than the private sector would have tolerated? number three, end welfare and i'm talking about the welfare with a small w and the welfare with a big w. the small w is we typically think as welfare, the big is mid class entitle programs, end

them. >> right. larry elder, there you are, 26 years later. >> yeah, a little less hair now. [laughter] >> anything you disagree with what you said there? >> i think didn't want people to get the wrong idea about welfare. there's always going to be poor people and the way we help them. we should help in a way that doesn't make them dependent. there's a book that a lot of people read about tokeville, and there's member wores on populism. and he was able to travel the world when there wasn't a lot of travelling and a lot of paupers in england and the first to give no questions asked welfare, as a result, it created more dependency. he says i don't know the formula helping people without making them dependent. doing the way that government does with no questions asked is not the route. it's something that people have been struggling with.

>> currently reading, larry elder, don't burn this country by david ruben, rigged by molly hemingway, and one by steve forbes covered by book tv. david, thanks for holding, st. petersburg, florida, go ahead with your question and comments. >> oh, my gosh, i get to talk to the great larry elder. larry, a good friend of mine joe bell went to michigan with you and he ended up being in a cbs correspondent and major was journalism and one time we were sitting watching you on tv, and he said that you were the same as you were when he was in school with you in the '70s. he said this guy has never changed. you're very articulate and i respect your candor, your christianity. my question is, like what you

just said about welfare, jfk said that welfare was a hand up not a handout, and just different things, i think i believe, and i want to know if you believe this, too, do you think if they didn't talk about racism so much and stoke it, do you think we would be having the subject all the time? i just think it's just so sad that it's common sense, some of the stuff that they do up there is just beyond crazy and how do you get by every day just dealing with that? >> all right, david, we've got the point, thank you, sir. >> yeah, morgan freeman once said we ought not to be obsessing with this so much. he said this years ago. and regarding the welfare, fdr, the father of the new deal even said that welfare was a social narcotic and the idea is to get people independent and self-sufficient and fot to be

dependent-- not to be dependent. there was a poll done in l.a. times, people on poverty, do you believe that welfare programs are a stepping stone towards independence or are they a crutch that creates dependency? 41% of them called an a crute that called it dependency and 30% the other way. and 20 years later. numbers were equal. people on welfare telling you a large number anyway, this has taken away my initiative and caused me to be less self-sufficient. >> larry elder, is there a secret kabul in hollywood, have you spoken with them. >> there is an organization, the name of which i will not cite, conservatives, at nos these non-liberals and it started small and now there are hundreds of people and we get together time to time. there are more people in

hollywood under the radar, and know quite well and if people knew their politics, would not be as popular. that's ow oppressive. my girlfriend of 20 years is a recovering actress and now a designing, nina perry designs.com. does well, but she has friends who are actresses and one of them visited her from michigan, and brought her daughter, her daughter looked like sophia loren, peter, this 13-year-old, gorgeous, gorgeous girl doing a great deal of work in print in michigan, the idea was come to hollywood where the real chances are. they're in the room talking and i was doing something else, and they were going to have a meeting with one of the major agencies in hollywood. you have to be with one of the major agencies if you're going to make it. the hardest part to getting an agency, you get an agent and the rest is pretty much easier.

and i heard the mother say she's going to vote for donald trump in 2016 and i got up in the room and said are you a trump supporter. >> she said yes. >> and i said do not mention this tomorrow at your meeting. >> she said why? you don't know anything about hollywood. she said no. this is one of the most intolerant areas in the world do not mention that you support donald trump and trust me. the girl by the way was hired and the mother thanked me she said for the first 10 minutes the agencies sat around the table saying what an s-o-b donald trump was and they wouldn't have hired her. >> and please your question or comment for larry elder. >> hello, larry, how are you? >> i'm good, christian. >> i was just curious, i've been following you for years and i was just wondering how come you haven't been on any of

the top black american interview shows. >> such as what? >> roland martin, breakfast club, revolt channel news shows i've been looking, i've been watching on youtube, and i can't find one single interview you've done with a black american talk show host that's not conservative and i'm curious why. >> thank you, sir. >> well, i have had a debate with reland martin before the election and been on tavis smiley's show on tbs and interviewed with him with radio show and owns a radio station in l.a. and by and large, i've got to be invited. i have invited jesse jackson to come on my radio show over 50 times in my 30 years, maxine waters won't do it-- and will joy invite me on the show. didn't do it, happen to go on

reland martin's show all he has to do is invite me. >> you spent 25, 30 years on radio where people didn't see your face necessarily and ran for governor of california. what's your anonymity level these days? >> these days i can't go anywhere without somebody recognizing me, airport, hotels, no matter where i was, i was in des moines, as you mentioned, earlier yesterday and someone came up to me, i'm sitting at a counter eating by myself. a gentleman to my left and two people to my right and as i was getting ready to get up, mr. elder, i didn't want to say anything to you, i didn't want to intrude, but i'm a huge fan. he was in the arm army, and a long conversation. and his food came. i said eat your food it's going to get cold. he said talking to larry elder. and the other two, and took

pictures. that's the level of fame. despite that before the election was over, i was just under a skosh under a million followers on twitter, since then i've lost about 30,000 followers on twitter even though my footprint has never been bigger, every day i lose about 100, my channel on youtube, my epic time channel had got about 575 followers, stop, dead stop. i have another one and dead stop. and there's no question that conservative commentators pundits are being shafted by facebook, by instagram and by twitter, i'm an example of that. your question what is your level of anonymity, i don't have a level of anonymity, everywhere i go, people ask about it. often i'm asked about unpleasant people and people who don't like you. in my 30 years of being a public figure, 35 years, i've had maybe 10, 15 encounters with somebody who said something nasty or vicious. by and large you can sense when

people don't like you and give you that look, but most people don't have the cache to come up to you and i can live with that. >> for the past two hours, my guest has been talk show host larry elder. thank you for being on book tv and thank you for being with us as well. >> hello, everyone, and welcome to the national book festival. >> over the past 21 years, and in partnership with the library of congress, book tv provided in depth coverage featuring hundreds of nonfiction authors and guests. and on saturday, book tv returns live and in person to the library of congress national book festival. all day long hear from authors, librarian, writer clint smith and more, the library of

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