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black conservatives scare people. that was in 2002. >> guest: that's right. >> host: is that still true today? >> guest: absolutely. bennie thompson, the chair of the january 6th committee, referred to clarence thomas as an uncle tom. they scare people because we refute the narrative. the narrative is white people are eternally oppressed. they characterize themselves as wearing a white hat in that fight, and these dastardly republicans over there, they wear the black hats. >> host: i do want to read a quote from if march 31 is, 2022. this is from one of your columns. sorry, i don't consider myself a victim of a systemically racist country. d i don't believe cops engage in institutional racial profiling. i are eject -- i reject critical race c theory and climate change alarmism. i believe taxes are too high,

regulations too severe and government too big. i support secure borders and pro-life, god-fearing and advocate school choice. >> guest: that that's it. that's exactly it. and i believe elvis is the king. [laughter] look, business about the police engaging in systemic racism is not only wrong, peter, it's dangerous. there are many studies showing, if anything, the police are more hesitant, more reluctant to pull the trigger on a black suspect than a white suspect. but because of lie, the police are pulling back, not doing stop, questionpo and frisk, ands a result, a bunch of bad guys are on the streets, and those bad guys arehi committing crimes and killing the very people that people on the left purport to care about. >> host: how many books have you written? >> guest: well, it depends on what you mean by book. i also had a couple of collections of my column, so probably about half a dozen. my favorite book, my most recent book, is the one about my father. the hardy cover is called dear

father, dear son: two lyes, eight hours. -- two lives, eight hours. >> host: tell us about viola and randolph. >> guest: they are my parents. my mother was born on a farm in huntsville, alaska. my father was born -- alabama. my father was born somewhere in georgia. my father does not know who his father is. finish are depression, they never felt it. they sold chickens and vegetables to their neighbors. they got married in chattanooga and my dad is not biological father is -- does not know who his biological father is. i disliked my father growing up intensely. he was ill tempered, he spanked us too readily in my opinion and i do not understand why he was so irritable all of the time.

unfortunately, my dad started at cafe and i had to work for him. i do not like working for him either. everybody could hear everything and see everything and my dad would yell at me if i do something wrong. i told myself the next time i i would work out. -- walkout. the waitress had called in sick so my dad was there during rush hour with a restaurant for of people, 15 stools, standing room during rush hour, there may have been 30 people there and we had to handle it all by himself. he was steaming. i was laying on my bed and my dad walked in my bedroom and said why did you leave? i spoke back to my father. i said dad, i got a sick and tired of the way you spoke to me

and i am not putting up with the anymore. he paid me $10 a day plus tips. he threw the money at me and did not say anything to make. we did not say anything for the next 10 years. i graduated from high school and i go to college in new england, and to law school in the midwest. i am 25 years old, i passed the ohio bar, the california bar, i am at a big law firm. i am 25 years old. i should be living large, but i cannot sleep. i know that it has to do with my dad. i know that we were not going to be friends. i called my secretary, i told her to cancel all of my appointments and i was flying in. i do not want my dad to prepare for me. i get to lax and take a cab to the restaurant.

i got there at 130 time. walk in with pieces of luggage and he says should i put my luggage there and said i want to give you the highlights. i will call him and and unfair and that i will call him unfair and he will call me ungrateful. despite my best efforts, i spoke nonstop for about half an hour. i told him everett with income every slight, how embarrassing that was, and everything i could possibly tell him and then i was done. i was spent. my father just took it. when i was done my dad said is that it? you do not speak to me for 10 years because of that? let me tell you about my father. i know nothing about my dad's

life. i know he was an only child. i met him once. i did not even like him so i did not ask about his life. the first time i saw my father cry he said let me tell you about my father. you know your last name? it is not my father's last name. i never met him. elder is a man who was in my life it was the longest, he could neither read or write. elder was an alcoholic who is physically abusive to me and my mother. he would be me -- beat me. my father came home and my mother threw me out of the house. never to return. at the beginning of the great

depression during jim crow. for the next 8 hours he told me about his life. he became and palo alto california. he can walk through the front door of a restaurant and was shocked he would get served. pearl harbor, my dad would the marines. he said anybody out there knows what i'm going to cite, they go where the action is and they love the uniforms. he was stationed in guam, he was a staff sergeant in terms of cooking for the colored soldiers. he went to restaurant to restaurant and they say we do not hire in words. need to go through that door,

might i got onto the hall, to the same lady was in him out. my dad said this is not set, -- nonsense, i am going to light. he has told you not not have any references. he even offered to work for free just for someone to give him a reference. my dad goes to the unemployment office and asks if he has any thing -- anything. he sat there for a whole day and came back the next day and lady calls him up, i have something. it is a job cleaning toilets. my dad did that for 10 years three hook up, he found another janitor job with another bread company cleaning toilets, my network full -- two full jobs. he cooked on the weekends.

that is why he was so cranky, he never slept. not just a after a day or week, year after year. you do that and you walk into a house with great rambunctious boys, what kind of mood are you going to be in? he is getting bigger and bigger and i am getting smaller and smaller. i am crying. at the end of the eight hours, i sit please forgive me for judging you so harshly. he says you are a kid and you did not know. hard work wins. you get out of life what you put into it. you cannot control the outcome, but you are in control of the effort. what could i have done to change the outcome. no matter how hard you work, i think is going to happen, -- bad

things are going to happen. we had a wonderful relationship and that is what the book is all about. >> this is a tough book to read. >> this is a tough write. it was cathartic. while i was writing it, but i was alive. why did you do this, he was asking why i was writing about his life. as soon as the book was over and my dad died. by a lot, tough, smart, had one year of college. she used to tell people that she had two years. i asked my mother why and she got upset. it bothered her she only had model year of education. the way up and out was through education and hard work. it is used to correct my grammar.

-- she used to correct my grammar. she corrected vin scully's grammar. he said tell me where the ball would have gone -- went. mother corrected him. he says, oh my god. every so often my language is bad. i remember this vividly. we at our old house, we had to be seven years or younger, it was a book of illustrated presidents. we went through every single president and when the book was over she closed it and said someday you could be in this book if you want to. i never aspired to run for office, i have always been interested in politics and public patients but never political office. i ran for governor of california, i got 150,000

individual donors. in eight weeks when i got into the race, i was trying to be strategic, that is when arnold schwarzenegger got into the race. i do not know if i wanted to do it. i was approached by a lot of people i admire like dennis prager who got me into radio and my pastor. they all asked me to run. i asked normal people like my barber, like the guy who drives me, his name is ed. they all wanted me to run and i said wow, little by little, if not you, who? i felt a spiritual obligation to do it. i did not want to. i thought i could make a difference in california. in eight weeks we raised $22 million.

as a first part is gavin newsom had to be recalled by 50% plus one. had that happened, however got the most votes on the replacement side got the nomination. i carried 57 counties in california. the reason i am telling you all of that is because after i ran for governor, a lot of people thought i would consider running for president. i am giving it some strong consideration. it is not that i believe i will displace ron desantis or donald trump if they want, but i have some things to say. as a breakdown of the american nuclear family. 70 president of black children entered the world without their father married to mother.

forget about elder, barack obama says a kid who is raised without a father is more likely to go to jail. the welfare state has in my opinion is advise women to marry the government and is a to abandon their financial and moral responsibility. this is a direct line between that and 85% of black eighth graders cannot read or do math at proficiency levels. they are functionally illiterate. it is a direct line between that and crying. i want to talk about the connection between that and the welfare state and i do not feel that either party including my party spent enough time addressing that.

>> speaking of which, you wrote in 2000 in 10 things you cannot say in america, you are talking about these issues back then. you mentioned that the welfare state is tyranny of the status quo. >> again, it is by far the biggest problem we have in america. there is a book called his father's face. he talks about as a prison chaplain who wanted to improve morale at a prison. he says can you give me 500 mother's day cards for free and they thought it would be a good marketing tool and they did. they go to the present and passes them out and morale did improve. father state rolls around. he goes to the same greeting card company and ask for 500 father's day cards, not a

single inmate wanted to fill one out and send it to his father. if you look at crime, breakdown of the family, there is a direct correlation between the two. >> how did you do when you ran against gavin newsom? >> i had my toughest time with black media. i had a great time with asian-american media, hispanic media, gloria romero, the former democrat senate minority leader crossed party lines and supported me because of the issue of school choice. i had a zoom meeting with 8-10 pastors. everything was going ok until i said that as a pup i -- that the police are not mowing down black people because they are black. it is not borne out by the studies. they went ballistic. as a number one problem -- i

said the number one problem in the black community is the breakdown of the family. i said you guys aren't role models and you are telling me that the number one problem is police brutality? it is not true. we had back-to-back black police chiefs. 40% of hispanic, 3% white, and percent black, the rest are asian americans. that is the representation of the police department. and yet when something happens, you have a bunch of activists out in the streets yelling and screaming about police brutality. it's nonsense. take baltimore where a few years ago freddie gray died in police custody. he was in the van. and in comes the obama administration to investigation investigate whether or not baltimore's engaging in systemic racism. this is the same department that about two months earlier obama administration gave an award for their 21st policing, avant-garde

policing. they celebrated them. and in baltimore at the time freddie gray died the mayor was black. the number one and number two running the police department were black. state attorney who brought the charges were black. there were six cops charged, three of them were black. two of themed had -- them chose to have their cases charged in front ofra a black judge. the united states attorney general at the time, loretta lynch, was black. and i'm reminded of the joke wanda can sykes once said, how. >> howsa are you going to compln about the man when you are a ma? many of them have or have had black police chiefs, superintendents of public schools who are black and we're talking about this? it's ridiculous. recently in philadelphia there's a place called sesame place, i'm sure you heard about this, it's an amusement park. i never heard of it until this

incident happened, and one of the muppets' characters is walking down and and high-fiving everybody except for these little black girls. and turns out there's a lot of videoeo where either that character or other characters are high-fiving the white kids but not the black kids. anyway,, the video went viral, other people began producing video, and the park, of course, apologize. jesse jackson writes them a letter and demands they hire more black are people, undergo sensitivity training, that hay put black people on the board of direct directors. a baltimore family that was there sued the place for $25 the million. i don't doubt that maybe there's something going on here, but make it to world war iii? and philadelphia is on track for more homicides in hair history -- their history. of the mix schoolteachers in philadelphia, concern public schoolst teachers, 44% of them t

their own kids in private schools as opposed to 10% nationwide. because the schools are sod bad. did jesse jackson say anything about that? inre baltimore there are 13 pubc high schools in baltimore, 13, where 0% of the kids can do math at grade level are. can -- level. that's almost half the skills in baltimore where the kids are either 0% proficient in math or 1%, yet vast she jackson, to my knowledge, has not said a word about that. but you let some muppet disrespect some 4-year-old girl, and he writes a letter demanding this, that and all the other. that's nonsense. some of these people like jesse jackson, a.m. sharpton, in my opinion, would be on death row. >> host: at what point being raised in south central did you become a conservative? >> guest: you know, there was no moment. my dad was a lifelong

republican. my dadd always said democrats want to give you something for nothing. and when you try and get something for nothing, you almost getting nothing for something. favorite expression. my mother was a lifelong democrat. they would quarrel in a civil way when we would get together for dinner. when we did, they would debate politics. and my mother, because she was better educated, would, in my ,opinion, beat him. but the older i got, the more i realized that my dad the was just using common sense, and i began siding with my dad. so i was never a victim. i never felt that i was oppressed, that i couldn't do whatever i needed to do if i worked hard. so that's kind of my orientation. and so i think when i took college economics 101 and i learned the downside of minimum wage, that kind of opened me up a little bit. i began reading ayn rand, watching thomas sowell when i was 13 years old. so i was always somebody who

never if felt like i was a victim. i always believed in america, i always believed in hard work. so it made me kind of unpopular with some of the kids in high school. ofhost: after university michigan law school, law firm many cleveland. how did you get into the radio business? >> guest: quite by accident. i left the law firm after about three years and started a little head hunting firm. i did that for 14 years. peter, thehe only thing i've evr wanted to do in my life was to be a writer, but i also wanted to eat, and and i mow how difficult it is to earn a living as a writer. so d going to law school was a y of me figuring out what i wanted to do. when you graduate from law school, you might as well do something with the degree. i was a trial lawyer, very successful, in my opinion. i havee fond memories of my law firm.fo they've merged and merged and now it's a huge, huge law firm. and i began writing op-ed pieces for the newspaper when i started my little firm.

i was able to do well enough, i had enough time, i began writing op-ed pieces. didn't have a deal. in those days for young people, we had things like envelopes and stamps. i would write something, send it to the largest newspaper in cleveland and in ohio, and i'd get back a little card saying thank you,et but no thank you. i did another, i must have written half a dozen. finally, they published one. and this was about 35 years ago, almost 40 years ago when i said today in america racism is no longer a major problem. basically, i outlined my dad's philosophy. hay published it. i get a phone call from the producer of a radio show. he said, are you black? i said, i've been told. he said i'm producing a radio show, and i read your column. i'd like you to come on and talk about it. i said, sure. i'd never been on aid owe before. i was on for a whole hour. now that i'm in radio, that's a long time to keep somebody on who's never been there. cleveland isba about 50% black,o

most of the calls were black people. i was called an uncle tom and an oreo and a coconut and theantichrist and all sorts of things. and it was the longest hour of my rife. i remember -- my life. i remember driving back to my office or, and i said i'll never do that again. the stationas manager called. he said, you were amazing today. i was in you defended without losing your temper or sense of humor. have you ever thought about doing talk radio? i said, no. he said, i've got a guy going on vacation next week, will you sit in for him? i said, no. why not? i don't like being yell at. are you married? [laughter] at the i'm i was. he said, think it over and call me back. i mentioned it to cindy, it seems shallow, glib and stupid. she said, it is, you'd be good at it. i did it, and after 20 minutes, peter, i heard angels singing.

i said, oh, my god, i could give my opinion and make a living out of this? so i met, ultimately, dennis prager, and he had me on his show, and the station managers, his name is george green, he's still with us, liked me, gave me a two-day audition, and after the first night he said, do you wantni job? i i said, i think so. go out, don't speak so damn quickly. so i've been on radio ever since then, and now i'm doing tv. >> host: in 2009 the book stupid black men: how to place the race card and lose, came out. that book is now called what's race got to do with it. why the change? >> guest: because so many booksellers were offended by the titleto and didn't carry it. i went to lax to see the book, as i do whenever my books come out, it's really quite a charge to see your book at lax bookstore. and the lady happened to be asian-american. i said, do you car cannily stupid black men?

she said, no, i was offended by the title. i said, did you read the book? no. i said, i wrote it. and if she didn't care can. so we found out that a lot of people reacted to the title. now, the reason i called it that is because michael moore had a bestseller called stupid white men. book doesn't criticize black men, it criticizes people for thinking back people are stupid, and the argument is don't buy into the emotional pull. i figured i could get away with the title as he did. but mine had such pushback, we renamed it what's race got to do with it in order for people like the asian-american bookseller to take the book. >>s well, from that book you write, quote: who puts stuff like in the minds of so many blacks? the sharptons, jacksons, clintons, liberals who prattle about o the unfinished businessf racism in america. the other public figures including some sports figures and entertainers all claiming to, quote, keep it real by

stirring the pot and keeping blacks angry, pessimistic, less productive, less proactive and less willing to invest in themselves. as hay fail to see a hopeful future. >> guest: you know, i wrote that some years ago, and if i were to write that today, i would put at the top of that list barack obama. i'm telling you, i was in boston in 2004 when he lit up the arena, gave that introductory speech for john kerry. there's no blue america, there's no red america, there's just the united states. yeah. there' no liberal -- it was a great speech well delivered. and if i said to my producer, thisis man's going to run for president someday. i was surprised it happened so quickly. the first time i saw him interviewed on "60 minutes" he was not the front-runner yet on the primary side, hillary was still the front-runner, but he was gaining. and steve croft, the correspondent,ve said, senator obama, if you don't win, will it be because of race?

and i was at home and i leaned back and i said let's see what this man says. is he s going to give an answer the way jesse city jackson does? the way al sharpton does? or is he going to say the truth? and what obama said was, no. i don't with win, it will be because i have not articulated the vision that the american people can embrace. and i said to myself, hallelujah. i'm not going to vote for him. i can't vote for a tax, spend, regulate, health care takeover democrat, but at least it will bring us together racially. at least i'll stop the nonsense. and i watched him give a speech at a black church. again, he was in the senate. and he a talked about how much racism there was. and he said the moses generation, referring to the generation of martin luther king, the mosts generation has gotten us 90% of the way there. my generation, he says, the josh joshuadd generation, has to gets the other 10%.

8% of people believe that el elvis is still alive, so 8% of the people have to be written off. so i thought it was reasonable. what happens? he walks into the oval office in 2009 with, he is at 70% approval. even though he only got a little more than 52% of the vote. because so many people, in my p said, okay, i didn't vote for him, but at least he'll bring us together arablely. racially. stop theop monosense. forr the next eight years, he dd the opposite. if i had a son, he looked like tray von. there's a -- trayvon. racism is in america's dna. he invited al sharpton to the white house over 80 times. he did the opposite of what most people thought he was going to do which is why when he left, even though most americans thought race relations would improve, blacks and whites deteriorated under barack obama because of that b ridiculous relate rhetoric. and in his last term, second term, learn two police officers who were murdered execution

style in new york. there were three killed excuse style in baton rouge, five in dallas. all by three different black men, all of whom were note sated by this lie that the police were enganged in systemic racism -- engaged in systemic racism. they did incall rabble damage, in my opinion, to the to this country. when somebody like barack obama, raised by a single mom, ph.d., she had a patient d, she goes to harvard to law school, becomes president of the united states and you're still going, whining about racism? i guess it must be true. eric holder, the a.g., i think he's -- [inaudible] right now probably making minimum between $5-10 million a year. racein card, race card, race ca. he gave a speech where he talk about pernicious racism. remember when donald sterling lost his amendment? okay,na it was around that same

time the nba took it away from him because the the marks he -- remarks he made about blacks. and eric holder gave a speech and he said, you know, blatant racism, we have got that covered. somebody like donald sterling, we've got that covered. it's the pernicious racism we haveve to deal with. i read the speech maybe a hundred times. he talked about three things. number one was the movement towards voter photo id. majority of black blacks support photo id. and the supreme court ruled 6-# 3 with the supreme court opinion written by john paul stevens, the most libbal justice, that there was an interest in election integrity by stays passing voter photo id. the majority of blacks support photo s id. the second example he gave is blacks who mitt commit the same crime as a white person will get a longer sentence, about 12.5% longer. and it's true. what he didn't say is the same

sentencing commission said the reason for this is that the average black criminal has more convictions than the average white criminal which judges take into consideration when they they do sentencing. and the third thing he said is black boys are kicked out of school more often than white boys. also true. he sued the decatur, illinois, school district years ago when they kicked out a bunch of black kids who were fighting after a football game. school board. finish and the school board points out in their lawsuit that no matter the race of the principal, the race of the schoolce board, black boys are kicked out more often than white boys. now, this is eric holder, the attorney general, giving three examples of pernicious if racism, and that's all you've got? and he were all lame, they're all wrong? racism has never been a less important factor many america. i'm not saying america doesn't have bigots. we know that. we deal with hem on a case by

case basis. take derek chauvin. there is zero evidence that he did it because george floyd is black. the lead prosecutor never argued that he had a racial motive, and he wasn't charged with a hate crime. so let's deal with these things on a case-by-case basis. and this is one of the reasons why a lot of young black men aren't complying. i wouldn'tt comply either if i thought the white cop that pulled me over were going to do harm and i'm told that by so-called black leaders. why wouldn't i listen to that? i don't have a father at home to tell me otherwise. my father told me and my brothers if you're stopped by a cop, say, yes, sir, no, sir, yes, ma'am, no, ma'am. make sure your paperwork is in order. you peelma you're mistreated, gt a badge number and we'll deal with it hate arer on. a lot of young black kids don't have someone telling them that, but they hear barack obama and eric holder talking about systemic racism, and why wouldn't i believe it? obama did a great deal of

damage. and i know that he watches book notes and in depth on c-span. i've tried to reach out to him and have a conversation with him because i know he knows what i know. there's a magazine called police mag, and they talked about a poll in the magazine, and people who were self-described, peter, aste very liberal were asked in 2019 how many unarmed black men did the police kill? half of the very liberal people said 1,000. 8% at 10 powrkz. -- 10,000. what about regular old liberals? 39% thought the police in 2019 killed 1,000 unarmed black men. 5% thought hay killed 10,000. the answer is 12. now, if you're that wrong headed about what theha police are doi, of course you're going to have this fear of them. why would you want to listen to them? this is level of propaganda that the left has allowed people to feel because they want their votes. how do you get 95% of one group

of people voting for the democratic party millions you lie v to them about a race relations? so you have a lot of black people feeling things are much, much worse than things are, and heir not working as hard as they should. blacks, hispanics, whites and asians. if you don't do your homework at night, how in the world do you expect to come out and do well in the marketplace? there's a relationship between how hard you work and what the results are goinge to be, and al too often we're told that the reason you're not where you want to be is because somebody held you back. nonsense. if somebody didn't hold my father back who had every reason to be angry at the world, they couldn't possibly hold you back. so knock it off, ache advantage of your situation. pick up your cards and play them to the best oftt your ability, d you can be successful. think tanks on the left and the right disagree about all sorts of things, but the most prominent on the left is the --

brookings. and on the right you have the american enterprise institute. but they both say you immediate to do to do the same handful of things to leave poverty and get to the middle class. number one, finish high school. ideally, one where you can read and write at grade level. number two, don't have a kid until you're 20. number three, get married first. numberir four, get a job, keep e job, don't quit until you get anotherll job. and finally, avoid the criminal justice system. don't commit crimes. you do those things, you will not be poor. if you don't y follow that formula, there's a very good chance you will be. >> host: good afternoon and welcome to booktv's "in depth" program. this is our monthly hour interview and call-in program. we invite one author on to to talk about his or her body of work. this month it's author, talk show host and gubernatorial candidate larry eller. larry elder. here's a list of his books. beginning in 2000, "ten things

you can't say in america" came out. that was follow by "showdown: confronting bias, lies and the special interests that divide america." "what's race got to do with it" came out in 2009, originally published as stupid. black men. "double standards," a collection of his essays, came out in 2017. and the book we discussed a little bit, "a lot like me: a father and son's journey to reconciliation," was his most recent in 2018. this is your chance to participate, talk to mr. elder, can ask him questions about his books, etc. 202 is the area code, 748-8200 if you live in the east and value time zones. 202-748-8201 for those of you in the mountain and pacific time zones. and if you want to send a text message,e, please include your paris name and city, if all. send that to 20 202-748-8903. plus, we have some social media

sites. just remember @booktv is our, is our address for the social media sites many case you want to post a comment or a question there. and earlier today, mr. elder, i pulled up a tweet, and this is from a gentleman named corey stewart. and mr. stewart asks, ask him real questions like why does he belong to a party that openly courts white nationalist organizations that would like him dead? >> guest: nonsense. this is the donald trump used a racist dog whistle to get elected line of d thinking. ..

roughly 80 percent, 85 percent. shortly after trumpgot elected just what town voted for its first black mayor in 140 years ? abilene texas . it's absolutenonsense . the idea that white people dislike black people to the point where they will the white racist in the white house, there's atalkshow host . the one that was on ... msnbc >> host: chris clothes. i'll give you two. chris matthews. >> guest: left-wing as hell. he wrote a book called hardball, we talk about political campaigns . a chart book. he said most white people would never goor somebody they thought were racist . this is chris wallace. used to be the presssecretary

for colonial, longtime democrats . t speaker of the house. he's a very astute observer of politics. most white people would never vote for somebody they thought were racist. it's just nonsense. while adults up what to be known as a bigot and this guy got, donald trump for four years that got the economy together for black people. he pardoned jack johnson. 15 year effort led by tim burns, the documentarian and disylvester stallone. obama didn't pardon him, george bush didn't pardon him but trump did. he pardoned alice johnson, nonviolent serious drug offense. he put permanent funding for black colleges on a 10 year basis. he did something called the first step to allow every time the end it has turned 00about 5000 black men had their sentences reduced.

he pushed enterprise zones to reduce taxes and regulations in distressed areas to improve the black economy. he supported school choice which urban black parents and his fellow hispanic parents want and he secure the borders and the best way it's been done in decades . what is that relevance for black people? the person is done the most work on illegal immigration and anybody else in the country is an economist named george warhawks. the big winners are employers who hire people with less money. can push them around because they have to fear ofbeing deported . the biggest losers are unskilled black and brown workers because most of the illegal aliens high school or less and these are the people they compete against and one of my friends with the civil rights commission said there are probably 1 million jobs that would otherwise be held aby black people because of the presence of illegal aliens and they put about $2000 worth of pressure on their wages every single

year. donald trump stopped that and as a result he appointed prospects for black and brown people with less education improved. if this guy is a racist he needsto go back to races in school . >> from the la times september 4, 2021. quote, the election of donald trump in 2016 in my opinion was divine intervention. it was a miracle. he is almost a godsend. .arry elder >> guest: well, who saw that coming? all these rdpundits, all these expertsincluding me when i first heard run , if he does again for a few weeks the media will slaughter him and he will pack up and go back to trump tower. i was shocked at how well he did. i was shocked the way hegot people to start thinking long and hard about the news . and he secure the bordersas i said , talking about the wall when there that was

considered to be racist. now even july is competing parts of the wall in arizona. what trump did is to shake the republican party up and get them to stop sending standing up for their values. i am a huge fan of donald trump and i campaigned with him and for him. one quick story about him, we're in cleveland in 2016 and we're campaigning together at church and i said to him there's one thing you need to apologize for. this is a man who does not kelike to apologize and he said i know what you're going to say, what i said about john mccain and i said not at all. you said george w. bush lied us into the iraq war. i said he did not. it was a commission called the robert silverman commission and it's true the intel was wrong but wthere's no evidence you live.ron fortier was the dc bar bureau chief and he publicly said george w. bush lied us into the iraqwar .

democrats to this day believe that w lied us into the war or there's a strong possibility that he did. it's become an article of faith. it's not true. he was shooting at the british and american planes patrolling the no-fly zones. we know he had chemical weapons, use them on the iranians, they went down the whole list of reasons why we went to war and trump went but he never said it again and i learned donald trump later apologized so maybe he did it but ihaven't heard him say it . >> let's go back to 2021 again and here's the current president . >> all of you know last yeari got to run against the real donald trump . well, this year the leading

republican running for governor is a the closest thing to a trump clone i've ever seen. and i really mean it. and he's leading the other team. he's a clone of donald trump. can you imagine him being governor of the state? you can't let that happen. >> i think he was referring to you, mister elder. >> i'd rather be called a clone of donald trump than the black face of white supremacyas i was called by an la times columnist . another one said my views were whitesupremacist . that's how they won the election. and pulled out and campaign with gavin newsom, barack obama cut a commercial for gavin newsom . bernie sanders did, harris

made comments, nancy pelosi did and they all said the same thing. stop the republican takeover. they never said gavin newsom is doing a great job on crying because he wasn't . gavin newsom was doing a great job with schools, our schools are ranked near olthe bottom. gavin newsom is doing a great job in retaining people in california, went for the first time in our hundred 70 your people history people are taking their tax dollars with them. i can't think of anything this man has done well and nobody tried to defend his record . they said don't let republicans take over because republicans are unpopular in california. we're outnumbered 3 to 1 and that's how they succeeded. but you wouldn't donate me and i talked to mister

newsom, have themsit down and said let's do the issue and they never did and he never did . when i got into the race the recall died, went to the bureau and he was scared and called out the dogs, allthis money came in from the unions, from hollywood , snoop dogg even came against me even though he supports school choice and it turned the thing around for one shining moment they were scared to death. >> larry elder, it's funny we were talking before the show and you had some slight problems coming out here. you said you end up going through des moines which was a bit funny but you said you're going back there. >> i'm going back in a couple of weeks for the des moines state fair. and i'm giving it some thought. a lot of people as i said asked me to consider it and this may sound self serving. it may soundimmodest . i would rather not do it but for the issues i want to talk about, school choice, the

breakdown of the family, the connections between the breakdown of family and crime. the importance of securing the borders. i'm not sure there are many people i can speak about these things as persuasively and passionately as i can so i'm going to do that so i'm going to do what god wants me to do . i had a conversation with ben carson and i was at cpac in dallas and ben said i'm going to do what god wants me to do and i said that's exactly how i feel and i feel again i have a patriotic and a spiritual obligation to do what i think can help the country. if i can do nothing more but tell people of color knocked it off, pick up the cards, play them to the best of your ability and you'll be just fine . and get back to value. get back to the church, get back to right and wrong. if i can wake up a few people and do what i thought obama was going to do but refused to to do that i will have served my purpose. >> have you been to

mar-a-lago. >> guest: i was therefore 2000 mules, a documentary that transcended with people with bags of mail. i was there for that and i was also there for another event i'vebeen there a couple of times . >> expressed this viewpoint about running to president trump? >> i have not. since mar-a-lago was when i thought about doing it but i have not expressed it but i'm not afraid to and i frankly feel that the likelihood that obama will be nominee, i'm sorry. what did i say, obama? i think thelikelihood of adtrump getting the nomination is quite high and i'm fine with that . i vote for him again or ron an

desantis. i have my only and i'm not going to say anything critical about him. when i ran for governor half a dozen major republicans, i didn't say a negative thing about a single one of them and it wasn't because i was a front runner although i became a front runner right away because i didn't want to get into a firing squad . there was homelessness, the way he shut down the government or sitting out there at such a restaurant not engaging with social distancing . kids were already behind in california, they lost all other year. we all knew what the issues were but i didn't say a negative thing about them . they didn't hear that same principle and one of them in particular was the favorite of the republican establishment. the gop did not endorse me. they wanted kevin falconer, two-term mayor of san diego and kevin mccarthy wanted him. well, i carried san diego county by 30 points. the other one was in favor was a guy named kevin kiley, he's now running for congress

. sacramento area. i carried his county by 30 points. i galvanized the base and when they realized that, they didn't endorse anybody officially but the one they wanted was kevin falconer. so the point i'm telling you is i'm not out here just to trash donald trump. i thought you got a raw deal with the suppression of the hunter biden story the way nbc cbs, 91 percent of the tistories donald trump were negativeeven though inflation was low . got us out of that climate change deal. i thought you did great things but he was trapped by a 2 and a half year collusion investigation that turned out to be empty . the man was incredibly misuse so i'm not going to say anything negative about him or ron desantis. i have things to say, notably the breakdown. >> what about the election

deniers and january 6? >> let me give you a long answer about that. here's what i find irritating about the whole business of election deniers. there have been numerous election deniers on the democrat side. for four years referred to donald trump as the legitimate. to the point where 67 percent of democrats believe that russians changed vote tallies to get donald trump elected. there was a 1000 page report looking into the election of 2016. hero evidence of a single vote tally was changed. j johnson, secretary of tihomeland security testified evidence a single vote tally was changed. 67 percent of democrats believe 67the russians changed vote tallies to elect donald trump. jay johnson also testified and said we don't know whether or not the russian

interference altered the outcome of the election, we don't know. there was no interference and then we can compare this but we can't do that because we don't know. 78 percent according to gallup believe that russian interference altered the outcome of the election in favor of donald trump saw a greater percentage of democrats believe 2016 was stolen , republicans feel the same about 2020. betty johnson, the chair of the house january 6 committee in 2005 joined with 85 ,democrats and refused to see the electors in ohio because of the allegation the voting machines have been tempered with . no evidence but here he is denying 22,005 election in ohio. al gore to this day believes the election was stolen from him.and barbara boxer as did maxine waters, as did jones, one of the electors so donald trump is undermining

the integrity of our republic but these guys do it is not a problem and stacy abrams still says her election was stolen from her, no evidence whatsoever. terry mcauliffe when he ran for governor referred to her as a legitimate governor of georgia . and jimmy carter for crying out loud, publicly said he believes the russians put trump into the white house in 2016. so these guys are election deniers, they get past. they never shut down even though she pushed the big lie about 2016 so it's incredibly unfair. about donald trump. i mentioned the hunter biden story in the press. 16 percent of joe biden voters say they known about that story theywould not have voted for biden, trump wins . not a problem. steve contacted the election got at msnbc is 30,000 votes in three states would have changed the election to donald trump. let's take three of them,

michigan. the state attorney, secretary of state used covid as an excuse to send in mail and balance to every voter, donald trump might have lost. he lost a lawsuit on procedural grounds. the michigan supreme court did take up the case leaving the appellate ruling to the one in force. a judge filed a dissent and said what the secretary of state did was illegal to the one. means the lawsuit wasn't ridiculous. .pennsylvania, also to rules and revelations were broken including accepting mail and balance after the deadline . donald trump filed a lawsuit. two left-wing professors, jonathan turley voted for obama and alan dershowitz both lawsuit had merit and dershowitz predicted the us supreme court would take up and donald trump would win. he was wrong but it does show you there was something there. wisconsin supreme court voted 43 on procedural grounds but

the chief justice of wisconsin supreme court filed a dissent and said among other things these lockboxes were illegal and since then the supreme court in wisconsin have rules going itforward these drop boxes to be illegal. so there was merit in all these lawsuits donald trump filed and all he did was hire lawyers like johnny england, a friend of mine and rudy giuliani to make legal arguments is what the democrats did and there's nothing wrong with hiring a lawyer and making legal arguments so this isn't about donald trump orchestrating an insurrection. incredibly unfair and on that day he said i want you to go in patriotically and peacefully make your voices heard. what part of patriotically and peacefully to understand what they talk about he said fine, fight. take back america, fight to save the country. people say that stuff all the time and donald trump on that day or two days before that i interviewed casper carol, he

was the chief of staff of the acting secretary of defense and he said i was in the room when donald trump authorized the use of 20,000 national guardsmen and women in the event they are necessary. it's not my job job to deploy them. they have to be requested and that's the job of nancy pelosi and of the capital hill police and they did not request the use of these troops but donald trump authorized their availability . who authorizes the availability of 20,000 national guardsmen if he's orchestrating a coup ? it doesn't make sense and i'll bet my house although you may not want itbecause it's near where there's lots of homeless people . all that my house that merrick garland is not going to indict donald trump and if he does my cousin vinny could get himacquitted . >>. >> host: bill in palmetto florida, thanks for holding on, go ahead with your question. >> caller: first of all mister elder thanks so much for taking the opportunity to

discuss these very topics and i've got to tell you, i grew up in private school, i went to school withlebanese, blacks, puerto ricans . i graduated and i can tell you that. i've always believed my grandfather once told me , he said life is about choices and opportunities. when i was 15 years old, i was on a team program on a dj program and it later propelled me into doing some work in radio. i saw high school college and real estate, nascar. i could go on and on like you would not believe and i've listened to so much and you'll laugh at this next comment. the only thing ithought donald trump did wrong when he came down the tower , it's like diarrhea of the mouth. if he had cleaned up some of what he said and i voted for him but i want to know your comments on opportunities and

why did you think so many people don't want to do that? they want somebody else to tell them what to do. >> 90 for that. i think a lot of people are afraid offreedom. freedom means if you don't get what you want , it's on you. look in the mirror and that scares a lot of people. regarding go about life being choices. quick story though. i'm on the sailboat in lake erie. and i'm on there with a bunch of other people and one that happened to be white, he cases boss. it's his job and i could listen to him for20 minutes or so and i said what are you going to do about ? he looked like somebody hit him on the head with a two by four. are you going to do something about it? i completely forgot about the conversation. 20 years later i get a letter from him. you may not remember this but

you reminded me of what happened, he started his own business. he now has 10 or 15 people working for him. never been happier and he said do not slap me in the face and told me i needed to take responsibility who knows what i would have done so we all need a push. overcoming laziness is one of the hardest things in life but life is all about as you said opportunity. regardless of gain and fear of loss what motivates most people and doing nothing and procrastinating is easy for people to do. it's up to us to pick up our cards and play them again. >> jim, casper wyoming, good morning. >> good afternoon. we've been enjoying your show today. i just wanted to ask you, i actually had kind of given up on california and left. i was wondering if you're interested in running again you did so well in the recall . you didn't win it but you sure made a big impact so did

you think about running for california governor again. >> host: give us your california experience, where did you live and why did you move and why ? before i was born in tahoe but i live in sacramento. lived there for my entire life about 55 years old when i lived there until 2020 when i got an opportunity to move. so it's a beautiful state. met my wife there. tired of the taxes, tired of the people raising the taxes on themselves so i just decided i needed to somewhere , i was going to apply a ntlittle more agreement so i'm curious. >> guest: thank you for that. in 2003 as i mentionedthere was a successful recall of the democratic governor .al since then until now, there are five percent more registered democrats. 50 percent more registered independents and independents

according to the new york times in california democrat. 33 percent fewer registered republicans and still i ended up getting three percent of the vote as did arnold schwarzenegger but that's just daunting. there hasn't been a republican elected in california in 20 years statewide by the way when the race was over a lot of the major rivals, john cox and others grumble that had larry elder not done this, or had he done this he would have one and i told the reporter who told me he interviewed all these people and that they were all sour grapes. i said let's find out how many of these people run against gavin newsom when he runs for reelection this november . if they know what the secret sauce is, what larry did i'm sure they're going to run against him. not a single one day. the person who won the primary is a guy named brian jolly, no name recognition, no money . i got 3.5 million as i said before but the math is

daunting. i can understand why people are giving up on california. there's a magazine called ceo magazine. it's been around about 17 years. 17 years past ceos what the best state is to do business and what's the worst. whether the state has a business friendly atmosphere and 417 consecutive years texas has been voted the number one state to do business. california has been voted the worst. eli must left, ben shapiro left. dave rubin left. a lot of people are leaving and they are taking their taxes with them. leave eli must alone. this year is going to pay 2 and a half billion dollars in taxes and california 13.3 percent income tax losing all that money not just one year every year this man is in business so sooner or later the state will hit rock bottom and then and only then do i think the democrats will rethink their hostility

towards republicans and until and unless that happens is going to be daunting for any republican to win statewide so i decided not to do it again. >> have you considered leaving? >> i have not. born and raised there. the dirty secret is if you bought a house in the 80s in california you've got a lot of money in equity and i've houses, the first house i bought was in 1986 and since then i another in the hollywood hills so i got alot of equity in my house . i went to school there, my friends are there. my pastoris there and want them to take me out of the state . i'd like to day there and iffight to take back and if i can do it at that level maybe i can do it at the national level. >> what's the reaction to you in hollywood these days? >> hollywood is an interesting area. it's left-wing as hell. of the contributions for politics, 90 percent of them go to the democrats. when it was pretty clear that i was a serious threat to gavin newsom there was an article in the hollywood

reporterabout how gavin newsom called out hollywood to unite against me . so underlying people in hollywood, the normal people in hollywood i go somewhere, i can't let anybody know how conservative i have but i voted for you. i was at my house one time, got a knock on the door and it was a scout locator. we're going to do a movie next door to you, we'd liketo use your property for catering services . they negotiated a deal to do that so it was a movie with antonio banderas. so i'm sitting watching them as well. i have a catering service comes over to me and we start having a conversation. we're so far away no one could possibly hear the conversation. six months later because my radio show. six i haven't worked since then. they found out that i knew you, they knew that i'll like you otherwise i wouldn't have come up to you . i haven't worked instead.

i could give you story after story like that. i had ashow called moral courts. they should have reacted after the first year, they didn't . the guy that designed my set, it was amillion-dollar set, itbeautiful set . it was so gifted the rnc asked him to design their set for their convention that year. he did. they told him he didn't work for two years. he said i'm gay, i'm left-wing, i'm a democrat because i butbecause i work on that set . i was republican and when i told him i wasn't there but i had somehow committed some sort of moral sin working for the rnc. that's how intolerant the community of hollywood is. >> cornelius, alexandria louisiana, please go ahead with your question or comment for larry elder . >> caller: thanks to td and everything. i've been waiting to talk to youbut i live here in alexandria louisiana . i don't know if you remember a guy named louis armstrong.

>> are you kidding? >> there you go. :louis armstrong said this is the most racist city he's ever been in and he was never coming back to alexandria so he never performed again in alexandria, that shows you how racist this place would be what i want to say to you as an african-american, i left the democratic party a long time ago. i'm 61 years old and we had this prison at oakdale, they had that right with the cubans. they got a word and i told him i was going to tolerate that stop so they eventually brought gordon down here and said i'd threatened to kill the wharton and you're right, if you go to jail you can't do anything and so i've been trying to clear my name and stuff. but i want to salute you. like i said, your father when

you told that story about your father being a marine , that really sent chills through my bones. i was amilitary police officer . >> thank you for calling in. mister elder, any commentsfor cornelius . >> thank you for the love. it's not a lot of fun being called an uncle tom or a coconut and oreo but if that's what it takes in order orfor to wake up a few people a can begin to appreciate the freedoms that we have and the reason that humans are braving shark inspected waters to get here and people from central america are coming up here to a systemic racist country, if that's what it takes, fine but little bylittle i can tell i'm making a difference . i'm invited to republican clubs to give a speech most of the audience is white. every now and then a handful of black people and it's not like a secret handshake will get you there, they just don't come. i'm giving a speech and a black man at the back, told

the guy and i saysomething he shakes his head.i'd say something else, he changed his head . as soon as it's over he walks wh up to me. i said he said mister elder i'm angry. i had no idea there was a 50 percent dropout rate. i had no idea 25 percent have criminal records. i had no idea the percentage of abortions. i had no idea about the level of educational achievement. he said i was well informed. i've been watching too much and he named a couple of outlets and now i'm going to start putting mymind and reading more of your material. thank you for waking me up and he walked away . >> of those convictions, drug convictions, are these fair? >> i've always felt the war on drugs should be fought as a public policy issue, not a

criminal justice issue. it's okay for somebody next-door to have a martini or two or three or more but if you have a joint and you commit a crime i've alwayshad a problem with that so i've always tried to approach this different way . >> you mentioned that it stuff to becalled an uncle tom as you said . >> i've gotten so used to it now. i go a few days without being call that i say what have i done wrong ? >> you have a website, uncle tom.com and we want to show a video from that website . >> when you look at these pictures, you get a sense of what black life was like. >> divine providence was clearly operating in the lives ofblack americans . >> throughout history black folks were powerful.

they had integrity. >> we were never taught that america was bad and that we were not american. we were raised to love america. >> you see people trying to rewrite history. >> these men have to go. >> why is that? >> whenever you havesomething to be proud of , people have less of a chanceof controlling . >> the country is racist from top to bottom. and for that them to becalled anti-black and themselves . >> there is no country in this world a black person would rather be unless of course they grow upin this country . >> you broke the contract for 400 years. >> then there's a lot of so destructive.

the reason that that life exists is power. >> there are certain people who are giving in order to establish that tolerance and it's the game is bigger than him. >> host: larry elder. >> guest: that is the trailer to the sql, uncle tom to came out in june 2020. it cost roughly $500,000 to make. the rule of here in hollywood , you can do three times your film costs. uncle tom did almost 10times its cost. executive produced it . brilliant director and cowriter along with writer

ansell and shadow jackson helped write it. and it's all about the ways that the left, marxism, socialism, collectivism have co-opted the civil rights movement and created a legitimate class work for equal results and it's all about the endgame for black lives matter. these are people who are trained marxists and carl ximarx's job was to be their own god. the reason for the civil rights movement were all these pastors believed in judeo-christian values and believe in family and what we've done over the years as we've replaced god and family with government and that's what uncle tom wanted and uncle tom tomorrow all about. you can see uncle tomone for free . go to uncle tom .com and watch it for free and you can preorder it on august 26. i am enormously proud of that work and for all the people out there, just go on imdb

and read the review. there are hundreds of reviews and it's almost as if i've broken myself. open my eyes, i didn't know d this about mlk. one time he said that if there's a city with 30percent lacks , the percentage of executives in the company should be 30 percent. what? so the company's 13 percent black there should be13 percent nba players ridiculous . so the movie, the first one somebody said is the love letter to america. ethe second movie i say is a dear john letter marxists, collectivists and people like black lives matter formulating blackpeople with power . i said earlier the reason they're able to get 95 percent of black people to vote one way and not talk about crime, not talk about education, not talk about work opportunities is because of this lie that america is racist and the real cause

should be the cause of social justice whatever that means and that's what the party has done for black people and uncle tom wanted to will try to undo that damage. >> let's go back to calls, david in tulsa, go ahead. >> what is critical race theory and what does it mean to him? >> host: what does it mean to you, david? >> guest: i don't know, that's what i'm asking your guest . i'm confused about that issue . i'm not sure either. i know that the proponents of f it in my opinion are trying to tell young white people that they are oppressors and young black people that they are oppressed and virtually everything in america you find that you're not happy with and he explained because of race or racism. unequal outcomes can be explained because of racism when 87 percent of blacks list below the level of poverty.

87 percent. 20 years later 40 percent, a 40 point drop. that's the greatest 20 year period of expansion but before the civil rights movements, before the civil rights act of 55 , brown versus board of education strong families, believe in god. >> and what is it s, the poverty rate among african-americans? >> among 20 percent, among whites is 10 percent. it'salways been twice as high and the poverty rate was falling steadily and after 65 or so it began leveling out oand it's been that way ever since. and the government stay out of it we be having a much lower poverty rates right now and a stronger family . >> jim, caliente california, good afternoon. >> thank you for taking my call and thank you mister elder. it's fascinating listening to you. my question is i live in an area that's very beautiful. n i live in the southern sssierras and i love it. but the area and many of the people i know and many of the

areas around me are areas of the poverty. i'm talking i would estimate the lower 10, 15 percent of the populace and is mainly white, native american hispanic american. some african-american, not very many . but it is a very poor area. and what i see the problem is that i don't think anybody cares about these people. he talked about just recently since the 60s the rate has asgone down. i'm not sure it has anything to do with party. i live in kevin mccarthy's district. about as conservative as a place you can be and most people vote for him and he has done a bad job in my heopinion but i don't think republicans care about the people at the lower end if they can get their votes, that's nice. if they don't really care about them. the democrats don't care about them much either. they're morally worried about making sure we have electric car credits and things like

this and solar panels on houses where i know a lot of people,i know some people have no housing. i know a lot of people that are in what i would call substandard housing . >> you'll get an answer to that, what you had to say in just a second but during the recall election did you support larry elder? >> i supported the recall of gavin newsom. >> dodged the question. on this business about people not really caring about the poor, if by that you mean people don't care about the results of money being spent on anti-poverty programs is not wrong. since the mid-60s we see $22 million on anti-poverty programs. but on the karen part there's a bookcalled who really cares . and he's been on this program. he was at the time i believe a public-policy student at syracuse . he was raised as a

conservative and he found that nobody had ever done an academic study on who's more generous with their time and money. he just assumed levels were. he was shocked. he found out it wasn't even close. conservatives s give far more money, for more blood than do liberals. for two reasons, one re conservatives are more religious than liberals. if they gave more than liberals did there are just fewer of them. must believe that welfare, portion of the health one-on-one through churches and organizations, not the government and they talk the talk and walk the walk so it's interesting. i'm doing a documentary an called the 10 biggest social lives and one is that more liberals are more generous than conservatives . it turns out the opposite is but this is a narrative that has been pushed by the left and a lot of people believe. if government got out of the welfare business and allowed individuals, churches to do it i think we be in a much better place so.

>> i'm going to read a quote from you in 2001. this is from showdown the republican party professes to support limited government while expanding it. at least the democratic party makes no pretense of adhering to the founding fathers version of a limited government that trusts people . >> that is why i support a conventional state so there should be an amendment to the constitution so that government expansion would be limited toa six percent adjudicating the . that's with exceptions for war and natural disaster because governments republican and democrat, ronald reagan came in 1980 and campaign with the promise to shut down the departmentof education . when he left the department was as bad as it was before. under george w. bush we get the expanded program because after all you need care for kids. so under both parties, even during donald trump's campaign in 2016 he said we

need to replace obamacare with something better so one government program is better than another government program customer the way to replace obamacare's with free markets. more competition, competition --improves everything. makes everything cheaper, makes it more accessible and half of our care dollars paid for my government which is inefficient which is myand my health care system is not as good as it could be . >> next call for larry elder comes from demetrius in los angeles, please go ahead . >> demetrius, i'm sorry. frank, butler tennessee. >> hello larry. pleasure to speak with you. you are abreath of fresh air and my quick question is this . who would be the subject of your next book? >> host: the topic of your next book.

>> guest: a lot of people have asked me to write about my mom. i called her the chief justice. she came on my program every friday for coone hour and it's a story about that. i asked my dad when i talk was coming up in radio and my dad is a man of few words but when he speaks, they count and i coached him coached him to come on and he didn't want to do it but finally he agreed. my dad, his whole theory about who gets better text, what people, black people, men or women and he said the person that tips the best are white men. especially if there overweight. the worst tippers are black females. and he had this whole thing. he could look at you walking in his restaurant and tell you what were tipping so i had them on the first day and i said dad, who's better tippers, blacks are white and my dad goes you know, i don't think we can generalize. i said who gives better text, men or women?

i don't think you can generalize. it was the longest 15 minutes of my life. during commercial break i get on the phone and i said dad what are you doing to me? i don't want to offend people. put mom on the phone. mom, would you do this? my mom is a democrat, he would yell at me about that. this is a country woman who had good common sense. she was a kennedy democrat and voted twice for george w. bush, 44 reagan, wouldn't change the party because it was emotional but she felt that the democrats had gone off the reservation and she could no longer support them. >> when did viola and randolph die? >> guest: my dad died about 10 years ago. my dad was 10 years older and we assumed my dad would die before my mom and it wasthe opposite . they were wonderful. i once asked ... it must've been four years before they died.

>> host: there's a picture we're showing right now. >>. >> guest: i don't know why it occurred to me to ask them but i said what did you do in your first date? and my mom looked at my dad and dad looked at my mom. you guys don't remember? what was dad wearing? mom looked at dad. what was mom wearing? >> host: you lost a brother as well. >> guest: mybrother died 2013 . he was my best friend and he was at a computer 5:00 in the morning, friday the 13th, had a heart attack and died. he was two weeks before his 70th birthday. planned to go to hawaii for his birthday and he died. and about six or eight months after that their youngest son , my nephew named eric had a heart attack.

i believe it was grief from the death of his father. my sister-in-law lost her husband. and she still is having difficulty with it, she's in a support group for people who have lost lovedones and she goes regularly .she's in nursing. unfortunately for her, she's sweet, i adore her but what a one-two punchshe suffered . >> leo, you are on with larry elder. >> caller: hi mister elder. nice talking with you. my question would be please correct me when i tell you, correct me if i'm right or wrong. prior to the election i started receiving mail for three japanese people and i live alone . i started receiving phone calls, text messages from democrats asking me to vote

for people and they called my name doug.my name is not doug. then what happened, i found out that a young man in los angeles was pulled over with 300 balance, a gun and some booze and money. so that made me wonder what's going on. so i looked into it. and i come to find out asgavin newsom hired approximately 20,000 ballot harvesters to collect ballots. so then i looked a little further andi called mike county board of supervisors . and what i found out was that the entire election for the entire united states was based upon the 2010 census. dead people, the three japanese peopletalking about, they're all dead. we found out their dead . lo>> let's see what mister

elder has to say about those. >> there were lots of allegations made during the election . when i got into the race all of a sudden the recall went into a margin of error. a lot of people thought that that was an anomaly. i neversaid the election was stolen, i've never made that argument but i do say this . we need to get back to voting on the day of the election. and the only people that should be voting in my opinion are male in our people that are disabled and this endless voting, weeks before the election makes zero sense and there's too much possibility of fraud will want to get back to making people feel confident about the election. adam kinsinger, one of the republicans on the january 6 committee recently said if happy electorate believes that 2020 election was stolen we can't have democracy . as i said earlier at least that many democrats believe that in 2016 so i think the p way to get back is to make sure you have your id when you show up and you show up and you both in person the

way we did when i was a kid and the only reason people have mail-in ballots that are not going to be in town that oiday or their disabled that's the only way in my opinion to make our election enough to give people the confidence. you don't have this mail-in ballot stuff in europe . and when they do have much more stringent requirements than we have you talked about going to iowa to the iowa state fair. potentially exploring the presidential world. if somebody picks up your book, the 10 things you can't say in america or showdown or what's race got to do with it, is there anything that you've written that you're like oops, i wish i had written that or i disagree with that today. >> i can't think of anything. i'm, in fact i would use some of my stuff in preparation for your interview and i said wow, it's pretty well. i need to start playing again. i'm pretty happy with it. i think i would have to empathize the importance of secure borders more when i

wrote 10 things, i don't think i mentioned inflation very much at all. but number the country has gotten bigger and bigger in terms of government intrusiveness. i was on fox news and i said in 1900 all three levels governor government took less than 10 percent of the american people and right now it takes 35 percent and when you add value to unfunded mandates it's almost half of the fuel produced. is there a sort is there a source for your assertion that government, and i gave him a source. is there a source for your assertion that right now government takes the two percent, i gave him a source. is there a source for your assertion that if you put a value to unfundedmandates the government takeshalf ? i gave him several sources. they wrote a piece . elder half right. and had the indicator right

in the center. they said elder was right that government at all three levels less than 10 percent elder was right . but when elder says that you put a value on unfunded mandates it's almost half the cost that's subjective. it's subjective but economists leo heaney from ucla said others elder understated the amount. other heritage foundation the number at 30 percent. the reason it's subjective is assume your george mcgovern n. you complained about this one time. when the government governor left the senate he started a bed-and-breakfast and it went bust. this is a democrat candidate. it went bust. a piece about the wall street journal and said i wish i had known how difficult it was to run a business all these rules and relations make it difficult to make a profit. hello. and one of them is he was forced to put a security system at his bed-and-breakfast. he was going to have one that wanted him to put one on that was more extensive than the one he thought he needed so does that add value to the

business and you say that it's a mandate? you got the whole thing cost just the party would have gotten versus the part they have to pay the difference between mexico there are subjective things that are involved in it, i agree with that. i was so angry go with the article. i contacted the two fact checkers and i asked them to come on my program and to their credit they did. they you said elder was right on this one wrong on that one. how come i didn't get two thirds rightversus half writes, was that new math ? oh no, there's not very much i regret. >> where can people hear your show? >> i'm on tv now it's on cable , on mtv. that stands for new tank dynasty.com and in la it's on spectrum you need to look on mtv.com to find out where it is in your area . we also plate surface up on youtube and tv has a website. i'm encouraging all people to go to tv and to

subscribers like nine bucks a month but it's a lot of programming. a documentary on january 6 and it came out that i thought was a pretty powerful documentary for those of you rithat have been watching the january 6 committee hearings. this is another perspective . >> do you still do your daily radio show. >> i stopped doing it as of may. of this year. and first time in 30 years i'venot done a daily radio show .>> host: do you miss it? >> guest: i do miss it. i was on the radio three hours a day for 30 years but i'm enjoying my tv show and i've been flying around the country to help candidates take back the house, campaign for school choice. and they support initiatives for strong families. i need a little more flexibly and being on radio 30 hours they would not have allowed me. i'm busier than ever before, uncle tom to as i mentioned comes up august 26. something i'm working on pulling 10 biggest liberal

lives in a book about the gubernatorial campaign. >> berry, tampa, good afternoon. you're on withlarry elder . >> may have been waiting so long and in so many segments. so just give me a minute. i live down south. i'm atheist and i'm not a republican or a democrat. i believe that there's a lot of uninformed voters and citizens of the united states . i don't ascribe to one particular party. i really don't like labels because i find that you can be all of these things given a particular topic. the uncle tom comment they make about you, you say you going to meet somebody on the inside as well as the outside so don't worry aboutthe uncle tom thing . people have a problem with educated black men who know

how to connect it. so on that note right there, my problem with california i want to ask you about is the homeless problem. we're one of the ierichest countries in the world and yet dust this homeless problem is getting out of hand. i'm in the process of writing a book and it's about the failures of capitalism because i believe certain things shouldn't be for profit . those three thingsare healthcare, education and incarceration . as you if we want to be the number one superpower in the world can't have stupid people, you can't have six people and you have no type of attitude to reform prisoners if you're making money off of them. >> we got that point. tell us briefly about yourself. >> i live in the south.

there was a point where i couldn't understand why black people were republican once i did my research if you know anthe history of the party and how they switched, i understand why there are black republicans because if you're from the south that the democrats for the party, it goes against every fiber of your body to be able to vote democrats.the democrats have used the race card and it's the only card they use. and then the republicans ... >> host: where going to leave it there. we need to find out although more biographical information what kind of work he did but the homeless and writing the book about no profit for healthcare education and incarceration. >> rights, where the wealthiest country in the world and there's no reason we should have this kind of problem but most people that are homeless have mental problems or alcoholic or they

are addicted to drugs. and that's a spiritual problem. i talked to doctor ben carson when i was running for governor . we talked about a plan that thhe had and the trumpet administration had he had a second term he had this ready to go. on federal land where you have the same regulations and rules as you have on other lands and they were going to build a lot of low-cost housing. he told me that the mayor was on board in la. even the governor was on n board. and there was money to treat people. they would treat people first and then they would be offered opportunities to live on federal property irin these houses that would be built and then carson believes that both of the homeless people would take up people on their offer and would then be willingly relocated to these areas where federal property is. we have to do something up. it's got worse and worse. when gavin newsom was mayor of san francisco, two-term

mayor he promised to end the homeless problem in san francisco before the end of his term. it's worsethan ever and when he was attacked governor for eight years he pounded the desk andclaimed he had nothing to do and i suggested maybe you might want to sell your campaign promise to solve the homeless problem in san francisco . it's only gotten worse is not housing first problem , it's a spiritual problem and the direct relationship between the breakdown of the family and the large number of people who are homeless but we can address this by dealing with their mental illness and withtheir alcoholism and then doing low-cost housing . >> rogers and south. connecticut, please go ahead. you're on book tv. >> thank you so much. i think you're outstanding. i have a couple of comments to make and then i will ask the question. here's one of my comments. chuck schumer on may 7 made an impassioned plea before congress commemorating the

beating of john lewis coming over the edmund pettis bridge. but they always conveniently forget to mention the fact that he was beaten by democrats. the second thing, i have a daughter. she doesn't understand the history. and in 1969, when there was forced bunching, louisa may hicks and the democrats of boston greeted the childrenon the buses with bricks . >> .. au

he said he admonished the democrats because they were the slaveholders. he admonished the press because they were sympathetic to the democratic class and he said th, trust with few exceptions is corrupt. if my math is correct, that's 168 years ago. my question to you is, and i know you are doing your best and so is allison, how do we communicate the history of what happened for t the blac community? >> roger, we are going to have to leave it there. thank you for that. comments? >> that's what i did with tom t and uncle tom tw. if you watch these documentaries, he will have exactly the history of these two parties. democrats were the partf slavery.

it was one said there were no repugnant slaveowners. -- there were no republican slaveowners. out of the 400,000 owners, maybe six or eight of them have been republican and even those started out as democrats. the republican party was the party of jim crow, democrats not the democratic party, founded the kkk. all of the politicians who stood in front of school doors born, raised and died democrats. all of a sudden in the 60s they switched sides. if you look s at the people votd against them before, how many of them switched and became publicans? two. they were born democrat died democrat. it's an individual responsibly, hard work, family, god. urging fellow blacks to look at

the history of the republican party and the history of the democratic party and not what democrats have done with welfare to essentially attack the black family and replace government with god and family. a different kind of slavery is being pushed by democrats versus the actual slavery they used to push. host: bruce is in california, democrats line. caller: mr. elder, why did the republicans cheat hillary -- treat hillary clinton so bad during benghazi? what was the deal with biden's son? what was with donald trump, 22 people in his cabinet under some kind of conviction. what is all of that? host: we leave it there and let you have a comment. guest: i have no comment.

host: neil in prescott, arizona, you are on the air. caller: i have a you little -- i have a little bit of history and then at 16 i was asked to join the communist party and the black panthers. the whole idea that i was asked to join the ira and the kkk and everyone should know they were democrats. i was almost beaten to death by gang members on motorcycles because my partner was a black guy on a harley chopper. i was almost beaten to death by a crypt by a cane. people don't understand the people -- history of california and what happened with democrats . i was in the business of

firearms and i sold guns, antique and modern. in the whole idea that the gun laws were against blacks, as mr. elder knows, everybody is equal under god, so everybody should be under the second amendment equal. host: and that is something you write about, the gun laws. guest: the worst supreme court decision was talked about come if we ruled that black people are anything other than chattel, than they can get guns and lord knows what they would do on their former slave owners. we were talking about him and even after he studied under the free market, he was still a marxist peer he didn't change until he started working with a department of labor and was tasked with doing the study and the impact of the minimum wage and he said the minimum wage destroys jobs.

milton friedman said it was the most anti-black law on the statute books. he found out they didn't care. that got him rethinking about his ideology. my good friend, david horwitz, wrote a book and i interviewed him. used to work for the black panthers and began to realize what was happening and what people were saying how he was hurting people and he did a complete 180 and is now a very conservative activist with a think tank. host: you mentioned counsel -- tom soul and we ask everyone what their favorite books and what you are reading and here's what larry elder told us, the fountainhead, jd salinger, of human bondage, bonfire of the vanities, free to choose, milton friedman, and every book by

thomas sole. what is your relationship? guest: i met him because of the c-span period was on c-span when i had a four hour radio show. c-span commitments that we want to broadcast your show live or die was on for four hours. i get a letter from thomas, dear larry, my wife and i watched the entire four hours. you explained in a clear way, you talk about the importance here and i am a fan. that is like getting a letter from baby ruth. i want him back and we became good friends and he invited me to state with him and we have been good friends since. host: we are going to show some of the 1996 video that he saw and we played it live. [video clip] >> maestro, if you would.

♪ the larry elder contract with america is as follows -- number one, has a 50% flat tax, no deductions. let's call it the lex makes lowers -- let's call it number two, reduce by 80% or the department of agriculture still as more euro credits. what exactly does small business administration do other than loan money to people who default in far greater numbers than the private sector would have tolerated. number three, in welfare, and i am talking about the welfare with a small w and a big w. the small w is what we typically think of as welfare. the big stuff is middle-class entitlement programs.

end them. host: larry elder, there you are 26 years ago. guest: i have less hair now. host: anything you disagree with? guest: i didn't want people to get the wrong idea about welfare. there will always be poor people but we need to help them in other ways. there was a book called democracy and america and he was able to travel around the world when people didn't do a lot of traveling in the from the greatest amount of poppers were in england. he found out that england was the first state to give no questions asked welfare and create a more dependency. he said i don't know the formula behind helping people without making them dependent, but doing it the way government does with no questions asked is not the route. this is what people have been

asking for 100 years. host: larry elder is bringing -- reading don't burn this country by david rubin. david, st. petersburg, florida, thanks for holding your go ahead. caller: oh, my gosh, i get to talk to the great larry elder. a good friend of mine, joe bell, went to michigan with you and he ended up in a cbs correspondent. his major was journalism. when time we were sitting there watching you on tv and he said you were at the same as you were when he was in school with you in the 1970's. he said this guy has never changed. you are very articulate. i respect your candor, your christianity. my question is -- like what you

decide about welfare -- jfk said that welfare was at hand up, not a handout. i believe, and i want to know if you believe this too, do you believe that they -- if they didn't talk about racism so much, do you think we would having the subject all of the time russian market is just so sad -- it is common sense. some of the stuff they do is just beyond crazy. how do you get by every day dealing with that? host: we get the point. thank you. guest: morgan freeman said this years ago and regarding the welfare, fdr, the father of the new deal, even said that welfare was a social narcotic and the idea is to get people to be independent and self-sufficient

and not get them to be dependent. there was a poll in l.a. in 1986 and people in poverty were asked -- do you believe welfare logons are a stepping -- welfare programs are a stepping stone or do they create dependency. 41 percent said it was a crutch that created dependency. these are people on welfare, a large number of them telling you that this is taking away my initiative. host: very elder, is there a secret cabal of conservatives in hollywood and have you ever spoken with them? is that just a rumor? guest: there is an organization, the name of which i will not cite, of conservatives or niece -- or at least non-liberals. it started small and there are hundreds of people and we get together on time to time and talk. there are more people in

hollywood that are conservative under the radar that you know. a lot of them are popular and if you know the politics they wouldn't be as popular pre-that is how oppressive this atmosphere is. my girlfriend of 20 years is a recovering actress. now she is an interior designer. she does very well. she has friends who are actresses. one of them visited her from michigan and brought her daughter. her daughter look like sophia loren, this 13-year-old gorgeous deal who had -- girl who had done a lot of work in michigan the idea was she had to come to hollywood. they are in the room talking and i was doing something else. there were going to have a meeting with a major agency in hollywood. you have to be with one of the major agencies to make it. the hardest part is to get an agent and after that the rest is

easier. i overheard the mother say that she is going to vote for donald trump in 2016 during the election. i got up and went into the room and said are you a trump supporter? she said yes. i said do not mention this tomorrow at your meeting. she said why? i said you don't know anything about hollywood, and she said no. i said this is one of the most intolerant areas in the world. do not mention that you support donald trump. she called me and the girl was hired and she thanked me and she said for the first 10 minutes the agents sat around completing their own sentences of what an s ob donald trump was and if i had said i supported him she would not have been hired. host: from las vegas, please go ahead with your comment. caller: i was just curious -- i have been following you for years and i was just wondering

how come you have not been on any of the top black shows for reviews? host: such as what #caller: -- such as what? caller: i have been watching on youtube and i can't find one single interview you have done with the black american talkshow host that is not conservative and i am just curious why. guest: i have had a debate with roland martin before the election. i've been on tbs and interviewed on the radio show pretty owns a radio station in l.a. and i was on show. but by and large, i have to be invited. i have invited jesse jackson to gollum -- to come on my show 50 times they won't do it. has joy read invited me on her show? i think during the campaign she did come up with the reason we didn't do it was i had too many

other things to do. i would be happy. all they have to do is invite me. host: very elder, he spent 25, 30 years on radio where people didn't see her face necessarily. he ran for governor of california. what is your anonymity level these days? guest: these days i can't go anywhere without some of you recognizing me, airport, hotels. i was in des moines earlier yesterday and someone came up to me, and i'm sitting at the counter eating myself, a gentleman to my left and two people to my right, the one to my left said, mr. elder, i didn't want to say anything because i didn't want to intrude but i am a big fan. he is -- was in the army and we had a long conversation. his food came and i said, eat your food it is going to get cold and he said how often will i get to talk to larry elder. the couple next to me also knew me and they didn't say anything

because they didn't want to be rude and we all took pictures. that is the level of fame. despite that, right before the election was over, i was a scotia under one million followers on twitter. -- i was a scosh under one million followers and i have lost many. i have another social media that came to a dead stop. there is no question that conservative commentators and pundits are being shafted by facebook, instagram, and by twitter, and i am an example of that. but the question is what is your level of anonymity? i don't have any anymore. i've also been asked about unpleasant people, people who don't like you. in my 30 to 35 years of being a public figure, i have had 10 to 15 encounters were someone said

something very nasty or vicious. you can sense when people don't like you but most people don't come up and insult you or are too polite to do that. i can with that. host: for the past two hours, our guest has been author and talkshow host larry elder. we appreciate your time here on book tv. guest: thank you for having me. host: hello and welcome to the. >> to one years partnership with the library of congress provided in-depth uninterrupted coverage of the national but hundreds of nonfiction on the saturday tv shows live in present national book festival. all day long he will hear from and interact the librarian of congress writer clint smith and

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