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>> model and actress emily ratajkowski talked about feminism, and the tree meant of women by men in a recent talk in a recent talk, "my body". >> it is called transaction. if you read that, that is what i am referencing. i was really interested in investigating my own judgment of women and how they navigate systems of power in regards to men specifically i could write a whole book about that. victoria's secret girl, a great character. she's a real life person. i was interested -- i think people kind of do that in their marriage sometimes, friends who marry somebody wealthy. and in the industry very

specific. as an unknown model, there are women sent out to castings to recruit other young models to go out with rich men and stand with them at a table and kind of hoping to have sex with you but they just want you to stand next to them and make them look cool. it is funny but pretty dark. it is a step away from the jeffrey epstein world to be totally honest and living in new york city, i don't go to nightclubs but a few different moments i have watched these groups of underage women, one guy, the wealthy guys join. there's this whole market around this and as an unknown

model you don't get paid but that essentially host a dinner. if you are a working model in la you are not making much money, you are hungry and you go to these things and they know what they are doing, the whole vibe is eat whatever you want, drink whatever you want and a lot of models go because they want a free meal and they got a little drunk and are invited to the club and that is when these wealthy men come into play. i had experiences where i felt uncomfortable as somebody who was always -- clear transactions, those were not very clear and the other part of that essay was an experience i had with a malaysian fugitive who financed the wolf of wall street and was essentially stealing money, pretty horrible

story from the malaysian government, the participant was working to help that happen. if you haven't read it, there is a book called billion-dollar whale or something, really crazy. my manager got a call, and i just moved into an apartment in new york with bedbugs, i was living in the east village and i was new to the world. >> $25,000 is a lot of money. >> he just wants you to come to the super bowl. what do you mean? come to the super bowl? my manager was like trust me, it is cool, jamie foxx will be there, leonardo dicaprio. i would love to know. i do know, there were others

that were seized from these actors homes. >> to show up at the super bowl. >> no idea what is going on. the bizarre thing about these interactions, you don't have to do that. i wasn't told to cheer or anything but what was interesting was watching how other women saw opportunities and this guy wants to have beautiful women around, into something larger. at a certain time i would never do that. i am -- toothpaste owned by the same type of men.

the transaction is more clear and another instance of judging my own internalized misogyny. realizing for the spectrum of compromise. >> watch the full program on c-span.org/booktv, search for emily ratajkowski. .. >> host: it is going to be here today with the dana perino. i hate to say this i think it's been 15 years since we've seen each other in person. >> guest: it is. i feel like it hasn't been that long but yeah, it's been a while for all