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they scare people because we refute the narrative. the native is america systemically racist, black people are oppressed which is what might be the democrats have an dock and blacks to bleed so they were to mr. paul democratic party because they characterize insults is wearing a white hat in that fight and these republics of their where the black cat. >> host: i do want to read a quote from march 31, 2022. this is from one of your columns. sorry, i don't consider myself a victim of a systemically racist country. i don't bieve cops engage in institutional racia profiling. i reject criticalace there he and climate change alarmism. i believe taxes are too high, regulations to severe and government too big. i support secure borders, and pro-life, god-fearing and advocate school choice. >> guest: that's it. that's exactly it. and i believe elvis is the king.

look, this is about the police engaging systemic racism. if that only long, it's dangerous. -- wrong. there are many studies showing if anything the police are hesitant more reluctant to pull the trigger on a black suspect that he might suspect. because of this light the police are holding back not engaging in proactive policing, nothing stop and frisk. of the case would be behind bars and those guys are killing the very people the people on the left purport to care about. >> host: comic books have you written? >> guest: well, it depends on what you mean by book. i also had a couple of collections of my columns so probably about half a dozen. my favorite book, my most recent book is one of my father. the hardcover is called your father to son. the paperback is called a lot like me but it is a simple. >> host: tell us about viola and randolph tragedy they are my parents that my mother was born on a farm in huntsville, alabama. my father was born in the back

of the house somewhere in athens, georgia. my father doesn't know his father is. my mother came from a large family, very prosperous family. the farmers in the family serving the great depression by mother said we never felt it resold excess poultry and vegetables to our neighbors. so my mother and my father got married and chattanooga and my dad does not knows who his biological father is. i can find out until i was 25. thus i'm i wrote the book the i dislike my father going up intensely as did my two brothers that i have two brothers. my father was ill tempered in my opinion. he spanked us to readily and harshly in my opinion. i didn't understand why he was so irritable all the time. and so unfortunately my dad starts a café when i'm ten. i had to work for the s.o.b. i didn't like working for him either. a little café so everybody could do everything in civic and my dad would yell at me and say i did something wrong. i'm 15 now having worked for him for five years and told myself

the next time this guy yells and i'm going to take off the apron and walk out. he yelled at me i didn't have the nerve to do. yelled at me and i didn't have enough nerve to do. find the 15th i had the nerve to do a took off the apron and i walked out. that day the waitress had called in sick so my dad was there during rush hour with the restaurant for people when i see full of people you're talking 15 stools a standing room during rush hour. the might of been 30 people there. my dad had to handle it all by himself. he comes home that night and he was steaming. i'm laying on my bed and my dad walked in my bedroom and said why did you leave? for the first time i spoke back to my father. i said dad, i get sick and tired of the way he spoke to me and i'm not putting up with it anymore. my father looked at me. he paid me ten dollars a day plus tips. he threw the money at me and walked out of my bedroom and he didn't have another conversation for ten years. my dad lives in the single house. i knew he worked long hours. i for any kind interaction

within. i graduate from high school and go to college in new england, i go to law school in the midwest. i come to visit my mom of course but i would make sure my dad and i were not in the same room. now i'm 25. i passed the ohio bar, the california bar, i made a big law firm making will be the eqf about 150 k. i'm 25. i should. i should be living large but i can't sleep. i knew it has to do with my dad. i never thought would be friends but i called my secretary, i'm leaving in cleveland, ohio, been at a city council on my opponents i'm flying in l.a. but back in three days. i didn't tell my parents were, because to do on a debt to prepare for this. quick ten minute summer i thought we would have. i get to lax, i take a cab to the restaurant. i knew they closed at 2:30. i walked in with to make pieces of luggage that my densities become he shot. he said shall put your luggage and backwards no, i'm going to be here for five or ten minutes. my dad said wait into a close pic i sat and i said i married, don't tr for me. you now i can go. just given the highlights of

things that bothered you. i'm going to call him an unfair and georgia politics he's going to come and i'm grateful son. maybe i'll be able to sleep. my dad sat down and despite my best efforts, i teed off on him. i spoke nonstop for about a a hf hour. i told every spanking, every time spent in with my cousin came from cleveland and how embarrassing that was. and a tone everything i could possibly tell them and then i was done, i was spent. my father just took it. every now then he leaned over and replenishes coffee but you just took it. when asked in my dad said is that it? you didn't speak to me for ten years because of that? let me tell you about my father. now, peter, i need to take i knew nothing about my dad's like i needed was an only child because my brothers and i never got any christmas presents. and i met his mom one type or outside of that i never knew anything about this man. i didn't care. .. you know your last name?

it is not my father's last name. i never met him. what? who is elder? some man who was in my life three or four years, couldn't read or write, was an alcoholic, physically abusive to me and my mother he would beat me. my dad set i came home when i was 13 years old, elder was long gone and she sided with the boyfriend and threw me out of the house. athens, georgia, 13 years old, eighth-grade drop out at the beginning of the great depression during jim crow. for the next week hours, he told me about his life. i said then what did you do? he came on the largest private

employers and travel to california. he could walk through the front door of a restaurant and was shocked. made a mental note to relocate to california. why the marines? he said anybody in the marines knows what i'm going to say, they go where the action is. my dad was a marine and was stationed in guam, was a staff sergeant in charge of cooking for colored soldiers, then married my mom to get him a job as a cook. went from restaurant to restaurant to restaurant. my dad goes to an unemployment office and the lady says you are using the wrong door, go through that door, this is colored only, the same lady sending him out. my dad came home and said this was nonsense, i'm going to la and getting a job as a cook, he walks around and is told you

don't have any references. i need references to make ham and eggs? i offered to work for free for two weeks. my dad goes the unappointed office in la, one door, ask do you have anything? what time do you open? 9. my dad said i will be in that chair, sat there for a whole day, sat for half a day, the lady calls him up and i got something, don't know if you will want it. i have a family, what is it? a job cleaning toilets. my dad did that for 10 years. throw hook up he found another janitor job, cleaning toilets. he worked two full-time jobs, went to night school to get his ged, cooked for a family on the weekend to make additional money and raise 3 boys. that is why he was so cranky. he never slept. 15 minutes here, 45 minutes here, not just day after day but month after month, year after year, walk into a house

of rambunctious boys yelling and screaming what mood are you going to be in? as he tells this, he's getting bigger and bigger and i'm getting smaller and smaller and i am crying. at the end of 8 hours, forgive me for judging you so harshly, he said don't worry about it, you were a kid, didn't know. you follow the advice i have always given you, hard work wins. you get out of life what you put into it. you can't control the outcome but you are in control of the effort. before you moan and groan about what study did you or said to you, say to yourself what could i have done to change the outcome. my dad said no matter how hard you worked bad things will happen. how you deal with those things, if we raise demand. from that point on, we were best of friends with a wonderful relationship and that's what the book is all about. >> host: it is a tough book to read. was a tough to write? >> guest: it wrote itself, the easiest book i've ever written,

it was cathartic writing it. i said what happened here? why did you do this and he would answer and say why are you writing a book about my little life? your life is epic, you don't know it. as soon as the book was over my dad died. tough, tough, smart, had one year of college. i was going through a yearbook and all of a sudden stopped after one year and i asked my mother why she got upset. only one year of education. my mother always said the way up and out was through education and hard work. she corrected solly's grammar one time. my mother and i met him at a black tie affair and we were sitting and talking and scully said no telling where the ball would have gone, don't ask me why.

he goes on my god, every now and then my language is bad but back to my mom i remember vividly, 7 years or younger, 1959 to los angeles in la, and book of george washington to the incumbent, dwight eisenhower, through every president and when the book was over, someday you could be in this book if you want to. i never aspired to running for office, always interested in politics and politicians but never political office but that is what she said. i got 150,000 individual donors from outside california and we ate -- and 8 weeks, i was not trying to be strategic when he ran into thousand 3. i didn't know if i wanted to do

it. i was approached by people i admire. the guy that ultimately came, chairman of my campaign, asked me to run and my barber, like the guy that drives, and little by little i felt if not you, who, if not now, when. i had a moral patriotic, spiritual obligation. i felt i could make a difference in california. in 8 weeks, on the replacement side, a 2-step deal, gavin newsom had to be recalled, had that happen, whoever got the most vote on a replacement side there were 45 people on a replacement side. i got 31/2 million votes.

almost 45 combined, 58 in california, i carried 57. only when i last was san francisco and one hundred 49 votes, we didn't spend one dime campaigning because we thought it was a lost cause. i am telling you that because i ran for governor. a lot of people asked me to consider running for president. i'm giving it strong consideration. it isn't that i believe i will displace donald trump or ron santos if they run but i have things to say and the major thing is the breakdown of the american nuclear family. 70% of black children, father married to the mother, 40% of all american kids do, half of hispanic kids do, forget about elder. barack obama said a kid raised by her father would like to be poor and commit crime.

25% of black kids out of wedlock, 65% to 70% today, answer is the welfare state. it is incentivized women to marry the government and incentivize men to abandon moral and financial responsibilities, the biggest problem we face domestically in america, direct line between that and 85% % of black eighth graders nationwide cannot read or do math at proficiency level, 85% of black eighth graders are functionally illiterate, the lack of values in the house, direct line between that and crime. i want to talk about the connection between that and the welfare state and i don't feel either party including the republican party spends time addressing that. speaking of which. >> host: you wrote in 2000, in "10 things you can't say in america," talking about these issues back then. the welfare state is the

tyranny of the status quo. >> guest: it is by far the biggest problem in america. there's a book called his father's face. talk about a prison chaplain who wanted to improve morale, went to one of the big greeting card companies into give me 500 mother's day cards for free, thought it would be a good marketing tool. they passed them out and morale improved to. you know where i'm going with this? go to the same greeting card company, not a single one wanted to fill one out and send it to his father, not one. if you look at crime, breakdown of the family there to direct correlation. >> how do you do in south-central when you ran against gavin newsom?

>> guest: on the recall side i had my toughest time with black media. a great time with asian american media and hispanic media. gloria romero, former senate majority leader, still a democrat, supported me because of the issue of school choice but i had a zoom meeting with a or 10 pastors, everything was okay until i said police were not engaging in systemic racism, they are not perfect, there are bad cops, you deal with them on a case-by-case basis, the idea police are mowing down black people like they are black, does not go with the study. if they went forward, i said the number one problem facing the black community is the breakdown of the black family and they didn't agree with me. they are role models. you guys are opinion shapers and you' re telling me the number one problem is police brutality? it is not true.

i'm in la and la had a black police chief including o.j. simpson case, la is 40% of hispanic, 30% white, 10% black, the rest are asian americans. that's the representation of the police department exactly and something happens, bunch of people yelling and screaming about police brutality. take baltimore where a few years ago freddie gray died. in comes the obama administration to investigate whether baltimore is engaging in systemic racism, the same department the 2 months earlier the obama administration gave an award for their 21st avent guard policing and in baltimore at the time freddie gray died, the mayor was black, number one and number 2 people in the police department black, state attorney who brought the charges was black, 6 cops were charged, 3 of them were black,

2 of them chose to have their cases tried before a black a judge who found them not guilty. all city council was democrat, majority black. the united states attorney general loretta lynch was black as was the president. i remember the joke, how do you complain about the man when you are the man? it is ridiculous, every major city has or has had a black mayor, many have or have had black police chiefs, many of them have or have had superintendents of public schools who are black and we are talking about this. it is ridiculous. in philadelphia, place called sesame place. it is an amusement park. one of the muppets characters is walking down high fiveing everyone except the black girls. the video where that character or other characters are

ignoring the black kids, it appears to be something systemic. i don't know. it went viral. other people began producing video in the park apologize, jesse jackson writes them a letter it accuses them of systemic racism and demands they hire more black people, undergo sensitivity training, put black people on the board of directors, baltimore family sued for $25 million. i'm looking at this. i don't doubt there is something going on here, but make it to world war iii, philadelphia is on track for more homicides in their history, the public school teachers in philadelphia 44% are school age kids with their own kids in private school, 10% nationwide, 6% of families nationwide, jesse jackson say anything about that? baltimore at 13 public high

schools in baltimore, 13 people, 0% of the kids at grade level and half a dozen, only one% can, half the schools in baltimore where they are 0% proficient in math but jesse jackson has not said a word about that but a muffet just some 4-year-old girl whose parents determine how she reacts that and writes a letter demanding this, it is nonsense. if there was a crime against leadership, people like jesse jackson or that would be death row. >> host: at what point you were raised in south-central did you become a conservative or was it after you left? >> guest: there was no moment. my dad was a lifelong republican. he said democrats want to give you something for nothing and when you try to get something for nothing you get nothing for something. favorite expression. my mother was a lifelong democrat. they would quarrel in a civil

way when we would get together for dinner, my dad worked long hours and then debate politics and my mother because she was better educated would in my opinion beat him but the older i got the more i realized my dad was using common sense. irritated my mom. i was never a victim. i never felt i was oprah store couldn't do whatever i needed to do if i worked hard. that's my orientation. when i took college economics 101 and learned the downside of the minimum wage, that opened me up a little bit, began reading ayn rand. i never felt i was a victim. i always believed in america, hard work. may be unpopular with some of the kids in high school. >> host: after university of michigan law school law firm in cleveland, how did you get into the radio business?

>> guest: by accident. i left the law firm and started that in 14 years. the only thing i ever wanted to do in my life was be a writer but i also wanted to eat and i know how difficult it is to earn a living as a writer. going to law school was a way to figure out what i wanted to do. you want to graduate you might as well do something with a degree. there were tests on my opinion. i had fond memories of my law firm and they merged and it is a huge law firm. in the newspaper i started my firm, i had enough time and began writing, didn't have a deal, young people had things like envelopes and stamps. i would write something, send it to cleveland and ohio and no

thank you. they publish one. it is 35 years ago where i said today racism is a not a major problem, you work hard, i can outline my dad's philosophy, i get a phone call from a producer of a radio show, didn't have my picture, he -- i have been told, he said i'm a producer of a radio show, i read your column and i would like you to talk about it. i had never been on radio before. in radio, a long time to keep somebody on who has never been there. cleveland is 50% black. most of the calls were black people. i called -- uncle tom and oreo and coconut and the antichrist and all sorts of names. it was the longest hour of my life. i drove back to my office

saying i will never do that again in the station manager called, you were amazing today. i was? of my god. a good speaking voice, you took difficult positions, defended them. have you thought about doing talk radio? i said no. i have a guy going on vacation, we'll fill in for him? i said no. i don't like yelling at people, don't like being yelled at. he said are you married? at the time i was. talk it over with your wife, call me tomorrow. i mentioned it to cindy. what do you know about talk radio? nothing. it is shallow and stupid. it is. you would be good at it. i did it and after 20 minutes i heard angels singing. i could give my opinion and make a living of this? i met some people, dennis prager had me on the show in the station manager gave me a 2

day audition and after the first night he said you want this job? don't speak so quickly. i've been on radio ever since and now i am doing tv. >> host: in 2,009 the book stupid black men, how to play the race card and lose came out, that is now called "what's race got to do with it?: why it's time to stop the stupidest argument in america". why the change? >> guest: booksellers were offended by the title and didn't carry it. whenever my books come out it is a charge to see your book in the bookstore and the lady happened to be asian american. i said do you carry stupid black men, she said no. i was offended by the title. i said did you read the book? no. why what i read the book, she didn't care. i found out a lot of people reacted to the title. i called it that because

michael moore had a bestseller called stupid white men where he criticized white men, this book doesn't criticize black men, it criticizes people for thinking black people are stupid and the message is don't buy into the emotional pool. i figured i could get away with the title. it is a bestseller. mine had such pushback we renamed it "what's race got to do with it?: why it's time to stop the stupidest argument in america" so people likely asian american bookseller to take the book. scott keer >> you right who put stuff like this in the minds of so many blacks? liberals who prattle about the unfinished business of racism in america. the otherublic figures including sports figures and entertairslaiming to, quote, keep it real by keeping blacks angry, pessimistic and less productive, less proactive, less willing to invest in themselves since they fail to see a hopeful future.

>> guest: i wrote that some years ago and i would write it today. i put the top of that list barack obama. i am telling you i was in boston in 2004 when he lit up the arena. there is no blue america, no red america. there is no liberal, no conservative, it was a great speech well delivered and i said to my producer this man will run for president someday. i was surprised it happened so quickly. the first time i signed interviewed on 60 minutes he was not front runner yet on the primary side but he was gaining. the correspondent said senator obama, if you don't win, will it be because of race? i said let's see what this man said. will he give the answer the way jesse jackson does? or is he going to say the truth?

what obama said was no if i don't win, it will be because i'm not articulating a vision the american people can embrace and i said hallelujah. i'm not going to vote for him, can't vote for tax, spend, regular 8, healthcare democrat but he will bring us together racially, stop the nonsense. i watched him give a speech at a black church, he was in the senate, talked about how much racism there was. he said the generation of martin luther king has gotten us 90% of the way there. my generation, he said, the joshua, generation, gets 10%. a fox opinion polling 2,002, 8% of americans believe elvis is still alive, some number believe you sent him a letter you get it. i thought it was reasonable what he said. what happened? he gets into office, walks into the oval office into thousand

9, he' s at 70% approval even though he only got 52% of the vote. so many people in my opinion said i didn't vote for him but he will bring us together racially will stop the nonsense. for the next we 8 years he did the opposite. if i had a son that looked like trave on --trayvon he embraced the black lives matter movement, invited out sharpton 80 times, he was the opposite of what people thought he was going to do which is why he left even though most americans thought race relations would improve, blacks and whites deteriorated under barack obama because of that ridiculous rhetoric. his last term, second term, two police officers were murdered execution style in new york. 5 in dallas, all but 3 black men all of whom motivated by this lie that police were engaging in systemic racism,

the claims of which obama spent along with a g eric holder. they did incalculable damage. when somebody like barack obama, raised by a single mom, he goes to harvard, to law school, columbia for undergraduates, a state like hawaii and becomes president of the united states and whining about racism? it must be true. eric holder, the ag, making 5 to $10 million a year, race card race card race card. gave a speech where he talked about pernicious racism. when donald sterling, around the same time the nba took it from him because of remarks he made about blacks. eric holder gave a speech and he said blatant racism, we've got that covered. donald sterling got that covered, the pernicious racism we have to deal with and i read

the speech one hundred times. he talked about 3 things, pernicious racism, number one the movement towards voter photo id. majority of blacks support photo id. the supreme court ruled 63 with supreme court opinion by john paul stevens, most liberal justice, 6-3, there was interest in election integrity by states passing photo voter id. majority of blacks support photo voter id. second example he gave, blacks who commit the same crime as a white person will get along 12.5% longer and quoted the sentencing commission as his source. what he didn't say is the reason for this is the average black, has more convictions than the average white criminal which judges take into consideration when they do sentencing. the third thing, black boys are kicked out of school more often

than white boys. also true. he sued the decatur, illinois, school district when picked up a bunch of black kids after a football game, turns out they missed 400 days of school, kicked them out, all white school board. the school board points out in their lawsuit no matter the race of the principal, the race of the school board to the race of the principal, black boys are kicked out more often than white boys. this is eric holder, the attorney general giving 3 examples and that is all you got? they are all wrong? racism has never been a less important fact in america. i'm not saying america doesn't have bigots. we deal with them on a case-by-case basis. take derek shoaf and --chsuvin there is no evidence he had a racial motive. let's deal with these things on

a case-by-case basis. this is why a lot of young black men aren't complying can. i whipped comply if i thought the cop pulling me over was going to do harm. told that by barack obama and black leaders, why wouldn't i listen to them. my father told my brothers and me if you are stopped by the cops say yes, sir, no, sir, he wasn't a biologist but he knew the difference between a man and a woman. make sure your left hand is at 2:00, make sure your paperwork is in order. and a badge number we will deal with later on. a lot of young black kids don't have people telling them that but they hear obama talking systemic racism and eric holder, why wouldn't i believe it? it is making things worse and obama did a great deal of damage and i know he watches book notes and "in depth," i hope he heard this which i tried to reach out to him and have a conversation because he knows what i know. there's a magazine that talked about a pole in the magazine

and people were self described as very liberal, how many unarmed black men did the police killed? half of the liberal people said 1000. 8% said 10,000. what about regular old liberals? 39% but police killed one thousand unarmed black men. 9% thought they killed 10,000. the answer in the washington post database, 12. if you are that wrongheaded about what police are doing you have this fear of them. why listen to them? this is the level of propaganda the west has allowed people to feel because they want their votes? how do you get 95% voting for the democratic party unless you lie about racial issues? a lot of black people feeling things are worse than they are and as a result not working hard as they should. look at the poll, who does homework at night?

lacks, hispanics, white and asian. if you don't need your homework at night how do you expect to come out and do well in the marketplace? there's a relationship between how hard you work and all too often we are told the reason you are not where you want to be is somebody held you back. if somebody didn't hold my father back who had every reason to be angry at the world, couldn't possibly hold you back, knock it off, take advantage of your situation, pick up your cards and play them to the best of your ability and you can be successful. think tanks on the left and right disagree about all sorts of things, the most prominent one on the left is brookings and on the right you have the american enterprise institute but they both say you need to do the same handful of things to get to the middle class. finish high school.

ideally one where you can read and write at a therapeutic level. don't have a kid until you're 20. get married first. get a job, keep a job, don't quit the job, until you get another job and if it is minimum wage, avoid the criminal justice system. don't commit crimes. you do those things you will not be poor. if you don't follow that formula there's a chance you will be. >> host: good afternoon and welcome to booktv's "in depth" program. our monthly interview and call in program. we want invite one offered to talk about his or her body of work, this month is author and talkshow host and gubernatorial candidate larry elder. here's a list of his books. beginning in beginning in 2000 you can't say in america" special interests that divide america," "what's race got to do with it?: why it's time to

stop the stupidest argument in america" came out in 2009 originally published as stupid black men, "double standards: the selection outrage of the left," a collection of his essays came out in 2017 in the book we discussed a little bit, "a lot like me: a father and son's journey to reconciliation". was his most recent in 2018. this is your chance to participate, talk to larry elder, ask him questions about his books, 202-seven forty eight-eighty two hundred. in east and central time zones, 202-748-820 one in the mountain at pacific time zones and if you want to send a text message please include your first name and your city, you can send that to 202-748-8903. plus social media sites, remember@booktv is our address for the social media sites. earlier today, larry elder

pulled up a tweet, this is from a gentleman named cory stewart. mr. stewart asks, ask him real questions like why does he belong to a party that openly courts white nationalist organizations that would like him dead? >> this is the donald trump racist dog wessel to be elected line of thinking. there are several in hundred countries that voted for obama in 2,008-two thousand twelve. 200 of them switched to vote for donald trump in 2016, written by a racist radioactive fighter and realized they were racist? the city that most voted for donald trump in 2016, 100,000 population, 80%, 85%. shortly after trump got elected guess who voted for the first mayor in 140 years, abilene, texas.

it is absolute and honest. white people, disliked black people, put a white racist in the white house, there's a talkshow host, the one that -- >> host: chris plante? chris cuomo? i've given you two. that's all i've got. >> guest: a book called hardball, sharp book, he said most white people would never vote for somebody if they thought they were racist. this is chris wallace. he used to be the press secretary for tip o'neill, chris matthews, longtime democrat speaker of the house, very astute observer of politics. most white people would never vote for somebody they thought were racist. it's nonsense. why would donald trump want to be known as a big it?

this guy donald trump, for four years. he pardoned jack johnson, heavyweight champion, 15 year effort by ken burns, the documentarian and sylvester stallone. obama didn't pardon him, george w. bush didn't pardon him but trump did. a very long nonviolent but serious drug offense. he put permanent funding for black colleges on a 10 year basis, something called the first step act to allow by the time he ended his term, 5000 mostly black men, 270 month. he pushed enterprise zones to reduce taxes and regulations in distressed areas to improve the black economy, supported school choice, and secured the borders and the best way it has been

done, why's it relevant for black people? the person who's done more work on the impact of legal and illegal, the george warehouse started. the big winners are employers who hire people with less money, they fear the end of court, the biggest losers are living in the inner-city. most of the illegal aliens, and the civil rights commission, probably one million jobs that would otherwise be held by black people because of the presence of illegal aliens and put $2000 of downward pressure on wages every year. donald trump stop that and as a result employment prospects for black and brown people improved. if this guy is a racist he needs to go back to racism school. >> host: the los angeles times, september 4th, 2020, one,

quote, the election of donald trump in 2016 was divine intervention. it was a miracle. he is almost a godsend. >> guest: who saw that coming? all these pundits, all these experts including me when i heard he might run, not going to run and if he does, for a few weeks, the media will slaughter him and he will pack up and go back to trump tower. i was shocked at how well he did, shocked the way he got people to think long and hard about fake news and secured the borders as i said, talking about the wall, even president biden, the wall in arizona, i think what donald trump did is to shake the republican party up and get them to grow some cashews and stand up for their values. i am a huge fan of donald trump

and i campaigned with him and for him. one quick story about him. we were in cleveland in 2016 campaigning together at a church and i said to him one thing you need to apologize for. this man does not like to apologize. he said i know what you are going to say, what i said about john mccain. i said not at all. you said george w. bush lied us into the iraqi war. he did not. there was a commission called the rob silverman commission and it is true the intel was wrong. the dc bureau chief at the time publicly said george w. bush, quote, lied us into the iraq war, kennedy said it, democrats to this day believe he lied us into the war or a strong possibility he did. it has become an article of faith. it's not true. he was shooting at the british and american plans of the no fly zone.

he had chemical weapons because he used them on the irani and this, went down a list of reasons we went to war and he went -- never said it again. i learned donald trump's way of apologizing is not to say the same wrongheaded thing again. maybe he did it. >> host: the current president in 2021. >> president biden: you know the last year i got to run against the real donald trump. well, this year, this year we -- republicans running for governor, the closest thing to a trump clone that i have seen. i really mean it.

he is leading the other team. he's a clone of donald trump. can you imagine him being governor of this state? you can't let that happen. >> host: i think he was referring to you. >> guest: i would rather be called a clone of donald trump than the blackface of white a premise as i was called buyer radio station. that how they won the election. biden flew out a campaign with gavin newsom. barack obama cut a commercial for gavin newsom. elizabeth warren cut a commercial for him, harris made comments, nancy pelosi did. they all said the same thing. stop republican takeover. never said gavin newsom is doing a great job on crime or a

great job holding down the state in are cody and way, gavin newsom is doing a great job with schools that rank at the bottom. gavin newsom is doing a great job tracking people to california when for the first time people are leaving california and taking tax dollars with him. can think of anything he has done right and nobody tried to defend his record. they said don't let republicans take over because republicans are unpopular in california, outnumbered 3 to one and that is how they succeeded. he wouldn't the bait me. i would ask reporters to talk to him and let's debate the issues and they never did and he never did. when i got into the race, recall side, he was scared and called out the dogs, all this money came from the unions, from hollywood, snoop dogg even tweeted against me though he

support school choice and turned the thing around but for one shining moment they were scared to death, so much heavy lumber came out. >> host: we were talking before the show. you had some flight problems coming out here and you ended up going through des moines which is kind of funny but you are going back there. >> going back to the des moines state fair which is a rite of passage, running for higher office and giving it some thought. a lot of people asked me to consider it. this may sound self-serving, i would rather not do it but for the issues i want to talk about, school choice, breakdown of the family, connection between breakdown of the family and crime, securing the borders. i'm not sure many people speak about these things as persuasively and passionately as i can so i want to do that. i want to do what god wants me to do and i believe god wants me to do this which i have

conversations with ben carson when i was at cpac and he said i'm going to do what god wants me to do and that is how i feel and i feel i have a patriotic and spiritual obligation to do what i think and help the country. if i can do nothing more than tell people of color and knock it off, pick up your cards and play them to the best of ability and you will be fine in america and get back to values, get back to the church, get back to right and wrong, if i can do that and wake up a few people and do what i thought obama was going to do but refused to do i will have served my purpose. >> host: have you been to mar-a-lago. >> i was there for the premier of a documentary that talked about all the people going to box offices with stacks of mail in ballots, don't think they wrote legitimate mail in ballots influence philadelphia, atlanta, detroit.

i was there for another event. >> host: have you expressed the viewpoint? >> guest: i have not. since mar-a-lago is when i've thought about doing it but i'm not afraid to and frankly i feel the likelihood that obama will be the nominee is quite high. i'm sorry. obama? i think the likelihood of trump getting the nomination is quite high and i'm fine with that. i would gladly vote for him or ron desantis. i have things i want to say, in my own lane and i won't say anything critical about him. when i ran for governor half a dozen major republicans on the replacement side, i didn't say a negative thing about a single one of them not because i was front runner though i became front runner right away. i didn't want to get into a circular firing squad, they

were crime, homelessness, the way he shut down the government at the french laundry restaurant not wearing a mask or social distancing, kids were already behind, last another year, we knew what the issues were but i didn't say a negative thing but they did not adhere to the same principal and one of them in particular was the favorite of the republican establishment. the gop did not endorse me. they wanted kevin faulkner, a 2-term mayor of san diego. and kevin mccarthy wanted him. i carried san diego county by 31 points. the other one that was favored was an assembly man, republican now running for congress. sacramento area. i carried it by 30 points. i galvanized the base and when they realized it they didn't endorse anybody officially but

number one was kevin faulkner. my point in telling you that, i'm not out there to trash donald trump, i thought he got a raw deal with the suppression of the hunter biden story, quoted a media research center, 90 one% of stories about donald trump were negative even though inflation was low, the economy was great, no new mores, got us out of the iran deal and the climate change deal and thought he did great than, but he was trashed by a 2-year collusion investigation that turned out to be empty. the man was incredibly mistreated. i'm not going to say anything negative about him or ron desantis. i have things i want to talk about notably the breakdown of the family. >> host: final question before we go to calls, what about the election deniers and january 6th? >> guest: let me give you a long answer. here's what i find irritating about the whole business of election deniers. there have been numerous

election deniers on the democrat side. hillary for four years referred to donald trump as illegitimate and said the election was stolen to the point where 57% of democrats according to a poll believed russians changed vote tallies to get donald trump elected. 1000 change senate report looking at the election of 2016. a single vote tally, jay johnson, secretary of homeland security testified under oath 0 evidence a single vote tally was changed, 67% of democrats believe the russians changed vote tallies to elect donald trump. they testified under oath and said we don't know whether or not the russian interference altered the outcome of the election, we don't know. a country where there was no interference, one that was worse and we could compare the two, we don't know. 78% according to gallup believe russian interference altered the outcome of the election in favor of donald trump.

greater percentage of democrats. 2016 was stolen than republicans who feel the same way about 2020. benny johnson, the chair of the january 6th committee in 2005 joined 85 democrats, refused to seek the electors in ohio because the allegation that voting machines have been tampered with, no evidence but here he is in the 2005 election in ohio. al gore believes the election was stolen from him. barbara boxer, as did maxine waters, one of the elections challenged the electors, donald trump does and is undermining the integrity of the republic of these guys do it it is not a problem and stacy abrams still says her election was stolen from her, no evidence whatsoever, fact check left-wing one, no evidence, chair mcauliffe when he ran to governor referred to her as legitimate governor of georgia,

makes him an election deniers and jimmy carter for crying out loud publicly said he believed the russians put trump into the white house in 2016. these guys are election deniers. the media platforms never shut down even though she pushed the big lie about 2016. incredibly unfair. i mentioned the hunter biden story, incredibly unfair, 16% of biden voters say had they known about the story they would not have voted for biden, trump wins, not a problem. the election guy at msnbc says 30,000 votes in 3 states would have changed the election to donald trump. the state attorney secretary of state used covid as an excuse -- an excuse to send ballots whether they requested one or not. donald trump lost a lawsuit on procedural grounds, michigan supreme court didn't take up

the case leaving the appellate ruling to to one. a judge filed a to send and said it was illegal to to one meaning the lawsuit wasn't ridiculous. pennsylvania, rules and regulations were broken including accepting mail in ballots after the deadline, donald trump filed a lawsuit, two left-wing professors, jonathan turley who voted for obama and alan dershowitz both fought the lawsuit had merit and dershowitz predicted the supreme court would take it up and donald trump would win it. he was wrong but it shows that there was something there. wisconsin supreme court voted 4-3 procedural grounds on the lawsuit but the chief justice of the supreme court filed dissent and said these drop boxes were illegal and since then the supreme court in wisconsin ruled going forward to be illegal. there was merit in all these lawsuits donald trump filed. all he did was hire lawyers

like john eastman, a friend of mine, to make legal arguments, same with the democrats. nothing wrong with hiring a lawyer and making legal arguments. this thing about orchestrating an insurrection, incredibly unfair and on the day, he said i want you to go patriotically and peacefully make your voices heard. what part of peacefully and patriotically don't you understand? political rhetoric, democrats say i am going to fight, take back america, take back the country, they say that all the time and donald trump on that day, i interviewed the chief of staff, i was in the floor room, and national guardsmen, that they are necessary. not my job to deploy them. the job of nancy pelosi and the capitol hill police.

donald trump authorized the ability, who authorize the ability of 20,000 national guardsmen orchestrating insurrection? doesn't make sense and i will bet you something. i will bet my house, you may not want it because there are a lot of homeless people, i would bet my house merrick garland is not going to indict donald trump and if he does my cousin vinny could get an acquittal. >> host: let's take calls for larry elder. please go and with your question, bill. >> caller: thanks for taking the opportunity to discuss these topics and a few things. i grew up in private schools. i graduated and always believed my grandfather once told me he said life is about choices and

opportunity. when i was 15 years old, i was doing a team program that later propelled me into doing some work in radio. in high school and college and real estate, radio, nascar, i could go on and on and i have listened to what you said. you will laugh at this next comment and i will ask my question. the only thing donald trump did wrong when he came down the tower, diarrhea of the mouth. if he had cleaned up what he said, i voted for him. i want to know your comments on opportunities, why is it you think so many people don't want to do that, they want somebody else to tell them what to do. >> host: we got it. >> guest: a lot of people are afraid of freedom. if you don't get what you want, achieve where you want to go it

is on you. look in the mirror and that scares a lot of people. regarding life being choices quick story. i am on a sailboat in lake erie and a bunch of other people, one guy happened to be white, 25, 30 years old, hates his boss, hates his job, after 20 minutes i said what are you going to do about it? he look like someone hit him in the head with a 2 by 4, are you going to sit the rest of your life and complain about your job or do something about it? 20 years later i get a letter from him, you may not remember this, you reminded me what happened on the boat, he started his own business, had 10 or 15 people working for him, became a multimillionaire, never been happier, had you not slapped me in the face and told me to take respond to billy, who knows what i would have done. we all need a push. overcoming laziness is one of the hardest things in life.

life is all about opportunity. promise of gain and fear of loss motivates most people and doing nothing and procrastinating is quite easy. it is up to us to play our cards again. >> host: jim, casper, wyoming. >> caller: i'm enjoying your show. i wanted to ask you, i had given up on california, i wonder if you're interested in running again seeing you did so well in the recall, you didn't win it but you made a big impact. would you think about running for governor again? >> guest: give us your california experience, where did you live and where did you move to? >> i was born in tahoe but lived in sacramento and lived there for my entire life, 55

years old until 2020 when i got an opportunity to move. it is a beautiful state. tired of the taxes, tired of people raising taxes on themselves. i decided i needed to move, find a little more agreement on things. just curious if larry might do that. >> guest: there was a successful recall of a democrat governor, arnold schwarzenegger became governor. since then until now there are 5% more registered democrats, 50% more registered independents, in california, vote democrat, 32% fewer registered republicans and i ended up getting 49% as did arnold schwarzenegger but that is daunting, there hasn't been a republican elected in california in 20 years

statewide. when the race was over a lot of the major rivals, john cox and others grumbled that had larry not done this or that or had he done this he would have won. i told a reporter who interviewed these people and they were all celebrating how the campaign went, let's find out how many run against gavin newsom when he runs for reelection this november? if they know what the secret sauce is i'm sure they will jump in again and run again. not a single one did. the person who won the primary, no name recognition, no money, 1.1 million votes, i got 3. 5 million. the math is daunting in california. i understand why people are giving up on california. there's a magazine called ceo magazine, 17 years they asked ceos, the best day and the worst, taxes, regulation, whether or not the state has a business friendly atmosphere. for 17 consecutive years texas

was voted number one, for 17 consecutive years california was voted the worst. elon musk left, dave ruben left. a lot of people are living and taking taxes with them. take elon musk alone. this year he will paying 2. $5 billion in taxes. in california 13. 3% of income tax. you are losing all that money not just one year but every year. sooner or later the state will hit rock bottom and only then do i think democrats will rethink their hostility toward republicans and until and unless that happens it will be daunting for any republican to win statewide. i decided not to do anything. >> host: >> guest: have you considered it? >> guest: i was born and raised their. the dirty secret is if you bought a house in the 80s in california you've got a lot of money. my first house was in 1986.

i bought another one in the hollywood hills. i have a lot of equity in my house. i was born and raised here, there's a school there, my friends are there, my pastor is there. i don't want them to take me out of the state. i want to stay and fight to take it back. if i can't do it at that level maybe the next. >> host: what is the reaction to you in hollywood these days, running for governor et cetera? >> guest: hollywood is an interesting area. 's left-wing hell of the contributions for politics and hollywood, 90% of the democrats, when it was pretty clear that i was a serious threat to gavin newsom an article in the hollywood reporter about how gavin newsom called out hollywood to unite against me. the underlying people in hollywood, i go somewhere they look both ways, i can't let anybody know how conservative i am because it wouldn't work, but i voted for you.

i was at my house one time, got a knock on the door, scout locator, we will do a movie next door to you, would like to use your property for catering service. we negotiated a deal to do that. a movie with ann at benning and antonio banderas. i'd never seen a movie films before. the catering service came to me and we started having a conversation. 6 months later he called my radio show, remember me? i came to your house? yes. i haven't worked since then. they found out that i knew you, that i liked you, otherwise i wouldn't have come up to you, i haven't worked since then. i can give you story after story after story like that. i had a court show, best judge show ever, they should have redone it after the first year. .. designed my set, it was a beautiful set. he was so gifted the rnc asked him to design their set for their convention that year. and he did.

he told me he didn't work for two years. he said i am gay, left i'm a democrat but because i worked on that set, i thought as republican and what i said it wasn't they felt i somehow committed some moral sin by working for the rnc even though they paid me a lot of money to design their set. that's how intolerant the tolerant community of hollywood is. >> host: cornelius, alexandria, louisiana, please go ahead with your question or comment for larry elder. >> caller: thanks to booktv and everything. boy, i been waiting to talk to you. i later in alexandria, louisiana. i don't know if a member of a guy louis armstrong. >> guest: are you kidding? yes. >> caller: there you go. louis armstrong said this a racist city he'd ever been in and he would never come back to alexandria so we never desha he never performed again in alexandria. that should how racist this place can be. what i want to say to you as an

african-american i left the democratic party a long time ago. i'm 61 and i used to work for the u.s. bureau of prisons at oakdale. they had the right there with the cubans. i can right after that riot. they got saying the inward and stuff like that i was going to tolerate that stuff. they eventually brought a blackboard and under and said i threatened to kill the warden so to get rid of me. you might come to go to jail you can't do anything and so i been to clear my name and stuff but i want to salute you. like a said your father when you told that story about your father being a tough marine and stuff, man, that really sent chills through my bones and stuff. i was a military police officer also. >> host: thank you for calling in. mr. elder, any comment? >> guest: thank you for the love. it's not a lot of fun being called an uncle tom. not fun being called a coconut

or oreo. if that's what it takes her to wake up if you people so they can begin to appreciate the freedoms that we have, there's a reason cubans are -- people from central america are coming appear to assist him look a racist country, it's nonsense. if it takes fine. little by little i can tell we can make a difference. when i'm invited to republican clubs to give a speech most of the audience is white. every now and then a handful of black people. not because there's a secret handshake or initiation dues, they just don't come. i'm giving the speech and a black man at the back call bigeye and i'd say something he could shake his hand like this. i see something else each shake his head. i say something, this guys would kill me. speed up to me. he said mr. elder i really angry at myself. i had no idea 70% black kids are both outside test i did know

there's a 50% dropout rate. i did not 20% young black men of inner cities have criminal records. i don't idea percentage of abortion performed a black semester i've no idea about the level of education achievement. he said i thought i was well informed. i've been watching too much and in the couple of outlet. and now i'm going to start opening my mind and remarkably true. thank you so much for shaking yet been waking up, and walked away. >> host: some of those convictions, drug convictions, although sarah? >> guest: i've always felt the war on drugs should be fought as a public policy issue not a criminal justice issue. it's okay for someone next-door to have a martini or two or three or four you have joint and you committed a crime. i've had a problem with that. i've thought we should approach this differently. >> host: you mention it's tough to be called an uncle tom as you said. >> guest: not a lot of fun. i got so used to it now. if i go a few days desperate

what if i done wrong? drama you have a website oco,.com and want to show a video from the website. tell us what this is. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> when you look at these pictures, we'll get a sense of what black life was like. >> it was in the lives of black americans. >> throughout history black folks were honorable. they had integrity. that's what black people were. >> we were never taught that america was bad and that we were not americans. >> we were raised to love america. >> hundreds of statue.

>> people trying to rewrite history. >> the american people know these names have to go. >> why is that? >> whenever you have something to be proud of, people have less of a chance to control you. >> races from top to bottom, from right to left. for black people to be a part of that, that's only becoming, anti-black. helping ourselves. -- hating ourselves. >> there's no country in this world a black person would rather be unless they grew up in this country. >> you broke the contract. >> there is a lie that is so deceptive. the reason that life exists is power. >> there are certain people who are using the negro in order to establish that power in washington and the negro is merely a pawn in a game that is bigger than he is.

>> guest: that is the trailer to the sequel called uncle tom two. uncle tom one came out on juneteenth in 2020. 2020. cost roughly $500,000 to make your the rule of thumb in hollywood is if you can't do three times your films cost you got a hit. uncle found it almost ten times its cost. i executive produced it. brilliant, brilliant director and co-writers along with a writer and it's all about the way the left marxism, socialism, collectivism have co-opted the civil rights movement and created legitimate quest for

equal rights into one for equal results. and it's all about the end game is black lives matter. these are people who are trained marxists and karl marx job he said was to dethrone god. the reason for all these pastors who believed in judeo-christian values and believe in family, what we've done is we've replaced god and family with government. that's what uncle tom one in two are all about. you can see uncle tom one for free. we want anybody anybody to watch it. go to all tom.com and you can watch a free. you can preorder uncle tom two on august 26. i'm proud of that work and for all the people out there just do this. go on imdb and read the reviews. there are hundreds of reviews and the reviews it samosas if i were to myself. i did know this about the naacp, i did know this about mokv mokv one-time said that if there's a city with a 30% blacks, the

percentage of executives in the cover should be 30%. so the country is 13% black and they should be 13% nba players as opposed 85%? ridiculous. so the movie, the first one so miss it is a love letter to america. the second movie i say is a dear letter to marxists, collectivists and people like black lives matter for manipulating black people for power. as i said the reason you're able to get 95% of black people to vote one way and not talk about crime, not talked with education, not talk about what opportunities is because of this lie that america is systemic races in the real cause should be because of social justice whatever that means. the democratic party stand black people an uncle tom one into trying to undo that damage. >> host: let's go back to calls. david, tulsa. please go ahead. >> caller: i would like to ask him what is critical race theory

and what does it mean to him? drama what does it mean to you, david? >> caller: i don't know. that's why i'm asking your guess. i really don't know. very confused about that issue. >> host: thank you, sir. >> guest: that's a very good question. i'm not sure either. i know the proponents of it in my opinion are trying to tell young white people that they are oppressors and young black people that they are oppressed and virtually everything in america that you find that you're not happy with can be explained because of race and racism. unequal outcomes can be explained by race and racism. 1940, 87% 87% of blacks lived before the poverty line. 87%. 20 years later, 1960, a 40-point drop in 20 years, that's the greatest twenty-year period of economic expansion for blacks in american history. this was before the civil rights movement before the civil rights act of '64 and 65 come before brown v. board of education. strong families, police and god. >> host: what is it today, the

poverty rate among african americans? >> guest: around 20%. it's always been about twice as i high. by the way poverty rate was falling steadily and then after 65 or so it begins leveling out and it is been that way%. ever since. had government not done anything government stayed out of it will be having much lower poverty and much start a family. >> host: gym, caliente, california. good afternoon. >> caller: thank you for taking my call. thank you mr. elder. it's infested listen to you. my question is no i live in areas that is very beautiful, i live in the southern sierras international force essentially. i love it. the area and many of the people i know and many of the areas around me are areas of deep, deep poverty. i'm talking i would estimate the lower ten, 15% of the populist. it's mainly white, native american, hispanic american come some african-american, not very many, but it is a very poor

area. what i see the problem is that i don't think anybody cares about these people. you talked about, just mention that since the '60s the rate as in content. i'm not sure it is anything to do with party. i live in kevin mccarthy district, about as conservative places you can be and most people vote for him. he hasn't been a bad job in my opinion but i don't think republicans care about the people at the lower end, if they can get the votes that's nice come if they can't they don't really care about them. the democrats don't care about the much either. they are more worried about making sure we have electric car trips and things like this and solar panels on houses. whereas i know a lot of people i know some people that have no housing, know a lot of people out of what i would call substandard housing. >> host: will get an answer to that which had to sit in just a second but during the recall election you support larry

elder? , i supported the gavin newsom, thank you. >> guest: he dodged the question. on this business about people not caring about the poor, if by that you don't mean people don't get a result of the money being spent on antipoverty programs, he's not wrong. since the '60s we have spent probably 20 to on antipoverty programs and poverty has one. on the caring part there's a book called who really cares by arthur c brooks. >> host: he's been on this program. >> guest: right. he was a public policy student at syracuse, he wasn't race as a conservative, and he found out nobody had ever done an academic study on who's more generous with the time and money, conservatives or liberals. he assumed liberals. he was shocked went over research sometimes unfounded wasn't close. conservatives give farmer money and time, far more blood than do

liberals. for two reasons. one conservatives are more religious than liberals. liberals give get just as y as religious conservatives did what few of them. secondly, most conservatives believe welfare, the poor should be help one on one of their church, organizations not to government at the talk the talk and walk the walk. i'm doing a document called the biggest ten liberal lies. terms of opposite, not even close. this is a narrative pushed by the left and a lot of people believe. if government got out of the welfare business and a lot in the village and churches to do and i think would be in a much better place now. >> host: i want to read a quote from you in 2001, this is from "showdown," the republican party tasha alisa democratic party makes no pretense of adhering to the founding fathers version of aimited government that trust the people. >> guest: right.

that is why i i support the convention of states. there should be an amendment to the constitution so government expansion would be limited to 6% of gdp. i would prefer no more than 10%. with exception for war and natural disaster. government is going bigger under president. republican and democratic ronald reagan came in 1980, campaigned with a promise to shut that the department of education. when he left the department was bigger than it was before. under george w. bush we get the schip program and expand that because after all you need health care for kids. that would be cruel and unusual. under both parties to find government expanding, even during donald trump campaign in 2016 did we need to replace obamacare quote with something better. someone government program is better than another government program? the weight replace obamacare is with free markets. more competition, competition presented income makes every thing cheaper, empress quality makes it more accessible. about half of her healthcare dollars paid for by the

government which is inherently inefficient which is why my healthcare system is not as good as it could be. >> host: next call for larry elder comes from demetrios in los angeles. please go ahead. demetrios hung up. i'm sorry. frank, but the tennessee. >> caller: hello, larry. as you speak with you. you are a breath of fresh air and my quick question is this. what is a a topic of your next book? >> guest: i think i'm writing one about my mom. people that speak to write about my mother. >> host: the secretary of state you caller. >> guest: i called her the chief justice. she came on my program every friday for one hour and it's a story about that. i asked my dad when i first t untreated, and reader. my dad is a the few words but when he speaks they count. i coached him, coaxed into come on and he didn't want to do it

but finally agreed to do it because i leaned on him. my dad, his whole theory, peter, about who gives better tips, white people, black people, men, women. and he said the person that tips the best are white men, especially if they are overweight. don't ask them why. the worst tippers are black females. he had this whole thing take a look at you when you walk in his restaurant and tell you what type of typically. he almost right. i said, who's a better typical lacks a white? my dad goes, you know, i do, i don't think we can generalize. i said, dad can think is better tips, men or women? , i don't think you can generalize. it was the longest 15 minutes of my life. during the commercial break i get on the phone and said what are you doing to be? he said i don't want to offend people. i set a montauk reader. put mom on the phone. mom, would you do this? she said you should ask me in first place, and a a star was

born. my mom would kill me about this and that but she was a country woman who had good common sense. she was akin to democrat and you voted twice for george w. bush, voted for reagan can wouldn't change the party because it was emotional but she felt the democrats have gone off the reservation and she could no longer support them. >> host: wended viola and randolph past? >> guest: my mom died about 15 years ago. my dad died of tenure to go. my dad was nine years old or so resumed my dad is going to die before them up and it was a opposite. it was a second time i saw my father cry when my mom died. they were wonderful. i once asked, must've been ten years before the died at the kitchen table, peter, -- >> host: this picture we're showing right now. you see it? >> guest: i don't know what occurred to me as them but i said mom, dad, what did you guys do on your first day? they were married 54 years. my mom looked at my dad, my dad looked at my mom, you guys don't remember?

i said what was dad wearing? mom looked at dad. what was mom wearing? i said will, this is romantic. >> host: you've lost a brother as a. >> guest: i did. my brother died september 13, 2019. he he was my best friend, and he was at his computer at 5:00 in the morning friday the 13th had heart attack and died. he was two weeks before the 70th birthday. he and my official plan to go hawaii for 70th birthday and he died. about six or eight months after that, the youngest son, my nephew named eric was found a step in his apartment had a heart attack, 388 years old. i believe it was agreed from the death of his father to my poor sister-in-law lost her husband of 37 years and her younger son in a span of about eight or nine months. she still is having difficulty with it. she's done a support group of people of lost loved ones and she goes regularly she's in

nursing, works really hard. she's really sweet. i adore her at my god what a one-two punch she suffered. >> host: leo is in san diego. you were on with larry elder. >> caller: nice talking to you. my question would be, please correct me, correct me if i'm right or wrong. prior to the election i started receiving mail for three japanese people. i live alone. i started receiving phone calls, text messages from democrats asking me to vote for people and they called my name doug. my name is not doug. then what happened, i found out that young man in los angeles was pulled over with 300 ballots, a gun, and some booze and money.

okay, so that maybe wonder what's going on i looked into it. come to find out gavin newsom hired approximately 20,000 ballot harvesters to collect ballots. so then i looked a little further and i called my county board of supervisors. what i found out was that the entire election for the entire united states was based upon the 2010 census. dead people -- the three japanese people that i'm talking about, they are all dead, we found out they are dead. >> host: let's see what mr. elder has to say about those. >> guest: there were lots of allegations that were made during the recall election. as i said when i got in the race all of a sudden the recall went into the margin of error but he ended up winning by 24 points. people thought that was an annulment. i've never said the election was stolen. i never made that argument by reducing this. we need to get back to voting on the day of the election and the

only people who should be voting in my opinion mail-in voting our people are disabled. in this voting, voting weeks before the election to me makes zero sense and is too much possibility of fraud. we want to get back to making people feel confident about election we need to do that. add and configure one of the republicans of the jenna six committee recently said if half the electorate believe that the 2020 like pistol we can have democracy. referring to 2020. as i said at least that many of democrats believe that about 2016. so i think the way to get back is to make sure your voter id when you show up and shook and you vote in person the way you did when i was a kid and the only reason people would have mail-in ballots is it they are not going to be in town that day or they are disabled. that's the only way to make our elections secure enough to get people the confidence they should have. you have this mail-in ballot stuff in europe for the most part. when you do have much more stringent requirements that we

have. >> host: you talked about going to iowa to the iowa state fair, potentially exploring the presidential world. if someone picks up your book, the "ten things you can't say in america" or "showdown" are what's race got to do with it is anything given that you like i wish i hadn't written that i disagree with that today? >> guest: i can't think of anything. no, i, i reviewed some of my stuff in preparation for your interview, peter, and i said good, this is pretty well, i forgot us of that. i need to start saying that again. no, i'm pretty happy with it. i think i would've emphasize the importance of secure borders more when i wrote ten things. i don't think i mentioned immigration much at all. but no, the country has gotten bigger and bigger in terms of government intrusiveness. i i was on fox news once and sit in 1900 and all three levels government took less than 10% of the american people. right now takes up 35%.

when you add a value to unfunded mandates have it takes about half of what the american people produced or i get a phone call from a fact check association. is there a source? i gave them a source that is a resource or your assertion right now, takes up 35%? i gave them a source. it's resource for your assertion if you put a value to unfunded mandates government take several staff with the american people can produce what i gave him several sources. they they wrote a piece, elder half right. had a little meter and indicator right in the center. they said elder was right that government at all three levels in 1900 took less than 10%. elder was right, right now, takes about 32%. but when notices you put a value on unfunded mandates is almost half because that's subjective. of course it's subjective but economists, if anything they say elder understood the matter other foundations like heritage foundation put the number also

at 50%. 50%. the reason its objective is assume like you are george mcgovern, he complained about this one time. when mcgovern left the senate he started a bed-and-breakfast and it went bust. this is a democrat candidate in 1972. it went bust and you wrote about and in the will suit you and he said i wish i had known how difficult it was to run a business, i would've been a better syndicate. all these rules and regulations you impose negative cycle o make a profit. hello. one of them is he was forced to put a skinny system at his bed-and-breakfast. he's going to have one other one had to put one on that was more extensive than one he thought he needed. so does that add value to the business when you say that it's a mandate? you cost will think or do cost to support would've gotten person sport he had the faith and the difference between that? there are some subjective things that are involved in it i agree. i was so angry felt with the article, i contacted the fact checkers and asked him to come on the program, to their credit

they did. i said you said elder was right on this one. elder was right on that one but on the ballot. how come i didn't get two-thirds right instead of half right? is that new math? no, , there's nothing much i regret having written. >> host: working people hear your show? >> guest: i am on epic tv now, epic tv.com. it's an cable and in out its own spectrum. you need to look on ntd.com to find it where is in your area. we also put excerpts up on youtube. ntd has a website also i'm urging all people to go to epic tv and supply like nine bucks a month, a lot of program, the also the document container six they came out a thought was a pretty powerful documentary for those of you who have been watching the january 6 committee hearings. this is another perspective, another point of view. >> host: do you still do your daily ratio? >> guest: i i stop doing it as of may of this year and first

time in 30 years i've not done a daily radio show. >> host: do you miss it? >> guest: i do. i do miss the connection. i was in radio for three hours a day for almost 30 years but i'm enjoying my tv show and have it pac called elder for america flying around the country up candidates take back the house, take back the senate, cap one for school choice, get rid of the soft on crime deas and support initiatives for strong families. i need more flexibility to do that and being on radio thrills and they would not allow me to do that. i'm having a good time. i'm busier than ever before. uncle tom two comes out of doxxed y6. i've a document i'm working on called ten biggest liberal lies and writing writing a book about the gubernatorial campaign which hopefully will come up sometime early next year. >> host: tampa, good afternoon. you on with larry elder, how are you doing? they had me waiting so long and there were so many segments, man, , give me a minute, okay? i live down south, okay? i'm an atheist and not a

republican or a democrat, okay? i believe that there's a lot of uninformed voters and citizens of the united states. and i don't described one to a particular party really don't like labels because i find that you can be all of these things given a particular topic. the uncle tom comment they make about you, you can strictly say your you get somebody on the inside as well as outside, so don't worry about the uncle tom thing. people have probably educated black men, they know how to articulate and communicate. so on that note right there, my problem with california i would ask you about is the homeless problem. we are one of the richest countries in the world and yet this homeless problem is getting out of hand. i'm in a process of writing a

book and it's about the failures of capitalism because i believe certain things shouldn't be for profit. those three things are healthcare, education and incarceration. i feel like if we want to be the strongest our number one superpower in the world, we can't of stupid people, we can't of sick people and we have any way, no type of attitude to re-informed prisoners if you're making money off of them. >> host: we got that point make tell us very briefly about yourself. >> caller: like i said i'm from the north. i live in the south. there was a time when i couldn't understand what black people were republican but once i did my research, if you know the history of the party and have switched, i understand why there are black republicans because if you're from the south, that the democrats for the party of the

slaveowners. so it goes against every fiber of their body to be able to vote democrat. i think the democrats have used the racial card, that's the only card they use. understand what i'm saying? and republicans -- >> host: we're going to leave it there. i was hoping to find out more biographical information what kind of work you did but the homeless and then writing the book about no profit for healthcare, education and incarceration. >> guest: on homeless you're quite right this is a wealth this country in the world and there's a reason why we should have this kind of problem. most of the people who are homeless have mental problems, or alcoholics or their addicted to drugs. that's a spiritual problem. i talked to dr. ben carson when i was running for governor, and he talked about a plant that he had, have the top administration had a second term. he always had this ready to go. on federal land didn't have the same regulations and rules that you have on other land and going

to build a lot of low-cost small housing. he told me that the mayor was on board of l.a., even governor gavin newsom was on board and get plenty of money to treat people and they would treat people first and then they would be offered opportunity to live on federal property in these houses that would be built. ben carson believe most of the homeless people would take up the offer and then be willingly be relocated to these areas where federal property is. we have to do something though. it's gotten worse and worse when gavin newsom was mayor of san francisco, two-term mayor, he promised to in the homeless problem in san francisco before the end of history. it's worse than ever and when he was governor, lieutenant governor he pounded the desk and complaint yet nothing to do. i suggested maybe you may want to the very campaign promise to solve the homeless problem in san francisco. it's only gotten worse. it's not a housing first problem. it's a spiritual problem.

it's and regulation ship between the breakdown of the family and the larger of the people who are homeless but we can address this by deed in with their mental illness and with alcohol, alcoholism and building low-cost housing for people at somewhere to go. >> host: roger is in connecticut. please go ahead. you are on booktv. >> caller: larry, thank you so much. i i think you are outstanding. i've a couple of comments to make and then i will ask a question. here's one of my comments. chuck schumer on may 7 made an impassioned plea for congress commemorating the beating of john lewis, over the edmund pettus bridge. but they always conveniently forget to mention the fact that he was beaten by democrats. the second thing, i have a

daughter that, she doesn't understand the history. and in 1969 when there was forced busing, louisa day hicks and the democrats of boston greeted the children on the buses with bricks and not only through the bricks at the buses that have the children as well. and the last thing i'm going to say, i'm trying to be brief, but in 1854, henry david thoreau wrote an essay slavery in massachusetts. in the essay he said that, he admonished the democrats because they were the slaveholders. he admonished the press because the press was sympathetic to the democratic cause, and he said that the press with few

exceptions is corrupt. and if my math is correct that's 168 years ago. and my question to you is, and i know you're doing your best and so was vince allison, how do we communicate the history of what has happened to the black community? and -- >> host: we will have to leave it there. thank you for that. any comments. >> guest: that is what i did uncle tom and uncle tom two. and if you watch both of these documentaries you will have a full course on exactly the history of these two parties. you are quite right democrats are the party of slavery. there were no republican slaveowners and recommendations and whatnots found some republican slaveowners. out of the 400,000 slaveowners in 1860 census, maybe six or eight might have been republicans. even though started out as democrats.

the republican party was the party of jim crow. democrats, i didn't say democratic party, the democrats out of the kkk. all these politicians that stood in front of the school doors like george wallace segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever were all democrats board race and i democrats. all of a sudden in the '60s they switch sides. if you look at all of the people to vote against the civil rights act of 64, all of the democrats, how many of them switched and became republicans? two. most notably strom thurmond. republican party is part of individual responsibility, hard work, family, god here and i and purging all of my fellow blacks to take a good hard look at the history of the republican party and history of the democratic party and not what democrats have done with welfare to essentially attack the black family and replace government with god and with family. a different kind of slavery is being pushed by democrats versus

the actual slavery they used to push. >> host: bruce is in del monte california. democrats like. go ahead. >> caller: why did the republicans cheat hillary clinton so bad during benghazi? what was the deal about biden's signs? what was the deal about donald trump's like 22 people in his cabinet work convicted of some kind of conviction? what's up with that? >> host: we will leave it there and much of a comet. >> guest: i have no comment. >> host: neil, prescott, arizona,, you are on the air. >> caller: howdy. i've got a little bit of the history was a communist in high school and it is asked of course at 16 to join the commons party, the black panthers, black irish.

the whole idea i was asked to join the ira and they kkk, like it when he should know they're all democrats. i was almost beaten to death by gang members on motorcycles because my partner was a black guy on a harley chopper. i was almost beaten to death by a crypt in 75 by by a cane. my grandfather rented the first black family in compton his big house. he was an irish cop. what people don't understand the history of california and what happened with democrats and the republicans and, of course, i was in the business of firearms and historical artifacts. i sold guns, antiques. the whole idea that the first gun laws were against blacks. as mr. elder knows everybody is equal under god, so everybody should be under the second amendment equal. >> host: that something you write about the gun laws, you're

right about that in the top "ten things you can't say in america." >> guest: the famous by the worst supreme court decision ever was dred scott. justice tony talked about if we will black people anything other than chattel, they could get guns. lord knows what to do to exact revenge on her former slave owners. evolution from the economist is not uncommon. we would talk about thomas salter, so was a marxist. even after which what unid studied under these free-market guys he was still a marxist. he didn't change until he began working for the department of labor and he was tasked with doing a study on the impact of the minimum wage and he came back and said the minimum wage destroys jobs. milton friedman said the minimum wage is probably the most anti-black law in the statute books. thomas so presents evidence he found out they didn't care. that cutting thinking rethinking that his ideology. my good friend david horowitz of the david horowitz freedom

center, road book called radical son. i think you've interviewed him, too. used to be a marxist can use to work for the black panthers and begin to realize what was happening and what people are saying and i was hurting people and he did a complete 180 now he's a very conservative activist with a think tank. >> host: you mentioned tom soul, and we ask every author who comes on this program their favorite books and what they are currently reading. here's what larry elder told us, the fountainhead by ayn rand, "catcher in the rye," j. d. salinger of human bondage, somerset lawn, bonfires by tom wolf, free to choose, milton friedman and book by thomas soul. what is relationship to him? >> guest: mating because of you. i met him because of c-span. i was a secret about 2530 years ago almost when he had a four hour hour a day radio show. c-span cayman s and want to your show live. i was on for four hours.

i i get a letter from thomas sowell, dear larry, my wife and i watch the entire four hours, you are magnificent. you explain free-market principles in a clear persuasive way. you type in a point of education importance of family. i am a fan. are you kidding me? that's like getting a letter from elvis or babe ruth. i wrote him back. we became very good friends but he invited me to spend the weekend where he lives and we've been good friends ever since. i was invited to his 80th birthday. >> host: we're going to show some of that 1996 video that mr. soul, doctor saul saw when we played live on c-span. >> maestro, if you would. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> the larry elder contract with america is as follows. number one has a 50% flat tax, no deduction. let's call it the let's make tax lawyers and lobbyists and

endangered species act. number two, reduce government by approximately 80%. lesson 2% of americans are pharmacy at the department of agriculture still add more bureaucrats. what exactly does the small business administration to anyone other than loan money to people who default in far greater numbers than the private sector would have tolerated? number three, and welfare. i'm talking about the welfare with a small w and welfare with a big w. the small w is what you typically think of welfare. the big w is middle-class entitlement programs. in the them. -- into them. >> host: larry elder, there you are 26 years later. >> guest: a little less hair now. >> host: anything to disagree with what you said? >> guest: i think i'd want

people to get the wrong idea about welfare. there will always be poor people. the questions how to help and help them in a way that doesn't make them dependent. there's a book a lot of people read called democracy in america. he also but when called memoirs on populace and he is able to travel around the world when people didn't to travel and found that there with the greatest number were in england even include was a wealthiest state. he found that income was a first aid together no questions asked welfare. as result to create more dependency. he said i don't know the formula of helping people without making them dependent but doing it the way government does the questions asked, it's not the route. this is something you've been struggling with for hundreds of years. >> host: currently reading, larry elder is don't run bris country by dave rubin. ked by molly hemenway and inflation by steve forbes. all of which have been covered on booktv. david, thanks for holding.

st. petersburg, florida, please go ahead with your question or comment, oh, my gosh. i get to talk to a great larry elder. larry, a good friend of mine joe bell went to michigan with you, and he ended up being the cbs correspondent and his major was journalism. one time were sitting there watching you on tv and he said that you were the same as you were when he was in school with you in the '70s. '70s. he said this guy has never changed. you are very articulate. i respect your candor, your christianity. my question is, like what you just said about welfare. jfk said that welfare was a hand up, not handout. just different things. i think, i believe and want to know if you believe this, too. do you think if they didn't talk

about racism so much and stoke l it, do you think we would be having this subject all the time? i just think it's so sad that it's common sense some of the stuff they do up there is just beyond crazy. how do you get by everyday dealing with that? >> guest: morgan freeman once said we ought not be obsessive with it so much. he said this year's ago. and regarding the welfare, fdr, the father of the new deal even said that welfare was a social narcotic and the idea is to get people to be independent and self-sufficient and that getting to be dependent. there was a poll done in the "l.a. l.a. times i think 1986, people and in poverty were asked do you believe welfare programs are a stepping stone towards independents or are they a crutch that creates dependency?

41% called it a crutch that create dependency and 31% said the other way. 20 years later the same question asked at the numbers are pretty equal. these are people on welfare hotel you a large number that this is taken with my initiative causing me to be less self-sufficient. >> host: larry elder, is or the secret cabal of conservatives in hollywood, and i've ever spoken within? ru member of the oars that just a rumor try to do is an organization the name of which i will not site of conservatives or at least non-liberals and hollywood. it started out very small. now there are literally hundreds of people and we get together from time to time and talk. so there are more people in hollywood who are conservative under the radar than you know. a lot of them are people that you know quite well and who if people knew their politics they might not be as popular. that is how oppressive this atmosphere is. argued a quick example example. my girlfriend of 20 years nina

is recovering actress. she knows a lot of people in the field. she's an interior designer, does very well. she does very well. one of them visited from michigan and brought her daughter, , her daughter looked like sophia lorraine. this 13-year-old gorgeous, gorgeous girl who'd done a great deal of work in michigan but the idea was you need to come to hollywood where there are real chances. they are in the room talking. i was doing something else. they were going to have a meeting with one of the major agencies in hollywood. you have to be with one of the major agencies if you're going to make it. the hardest part, if you get an agent the rest of it is pretty much easier. i overheard the mother say that she's going to vote for donald trump in 2016. right during the election. i got up and within them and i said i overheard you. are you a trump supporter? she suggested i said do not mention this tomorrow after meeting. she said why?

i said you know anything about hollywood, do you? she's a doctor i said this is one of the most intolerant areas of the world. do not mention that you support donald trump. trust me. next day she comes over. the go by the way was hired and the mother thanked me. she said for the first ten minutes he's taken saturn of the table completing each other sentences on what an asshole donald trump was. they would not have hired me. >> host: christopher las vegas here please go ahead with your question or comment for larry elder, hello, larry. how are you? >> guest: i'm good. >> caller: i was just curious. i've been following you for years and i was just wondering how come you have been on any of the top black american political shows for interviews? traded such as what? >> caller: roland martin, breakfast club. i've been looking, been watching you, than watching you on youtube. i can't find one single interview you've done with the

black american talkshow hosts that's not conservative and i'm just curious why? >> guest: i've had a debate with roland martin before the election. i have been on tavis smiley shall couple times when he's on tbs and did an interview with him on his way to show. he on the radio station in l.a. i was on that show. but by and large i've got to be invited. i have invited for example, jesse jackson to come on my radio show over 50 times in my 30 years, what do it. maxine waters what. louis farrakhan won't do it. joy-ann reid invited me on her show you think during the campaign she did but the reason we didn't do it because i too many other things to do. she hasn't since then. i be happy to go on roland martin show. all he has to do is invite me. >> host: you spent 25, 30 years on radio where people didn't see your face necessarily. ran for governor of california. what is your anonymity level

these days? >> guest: these days i can go anywhere without somebody recognizing me, airports, hotels, the matter why was there i was in des moines as you mentioned earlier yesterday and some came up to me, sitting at the counter eating by myself. gemma toilet and to make people to my right, and as i went to get up get the winter by the said i did want to say anything to you but i am a huge fan. he was in the army. we had a long conversation. his food came and as her talking ice at the gifford is going to get called. he said forget about food. how often am i going to have a chance to talk to larry elder? the couple next to me also knew i was. they didn't say anything because i didn't want to be rude. we all took pictures and so that's the level of fame right now. despite that though, right before the election was over i was under just a skosh under 1 million followers on twitter. since then i've lost about 30,000 on twitter even though my footprints have been bigger. everyday others about 100.

my channel on youtube got about 575 followers, stop dead stop. i have i have another one and dead stop. there's no question that conservative commentators conservative pundits are being shafted by facebook, instagram and by twitter and i'm an example of that. but your question was what you love of anonymity. i do have a level of anonymity anymore. everywhere i go someone says something. often i been asked what about unpleasant people? what about people who don't like you, what do they say? in my 30 years as being a public figure, 35 years i've had maybe ten, 15 encounters were so much has really vicious. by and large you can sense when people don't like you, the dv that look but most people don't come up and assault you are most people are too polite to do that and i can live with that. >> host: for the past two hours our guest has been offered and talkshow host larry elder

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