host: larry elder, you wrote in your book show down, black conservatives scare people. that was in 2002. guest: that's right. host: is that still true today? guest: absolutely. benny thompson, the chair of january 6 committee referred to

clarence thomas as an uncle tom. they scare people because we refute the narrative, an area that hits america being systemically racist and america is eternally oppressed and they've indoctrinated americans to believe that and pulled that lever from the party and wearing a white hat in the party and republicans over there, they wear the black hat. host: i want to read a quote from march 31st, 2022. this is from one of your columns. sorry, i don't consider melf a victim of a systemically racist country. i don't believe cops engage in institutional racial profili, i reject crical race theory tiand climate change alarmism. i believe taxes are too high, liregulations too severe and government too big. i support secure boarders and pro life god fearing and advocate school choice. guest: that's it. that's exactly it.

and i believe ellis is the king. this isn't -- elvis is the king. it's not only wrong, it's dangerous. the police are pulling back and not engaging in proactive policing and stop questioning and as a result a bunch of bad guys on the streets or otherwise behind bars and they're committing crimes and are killing the very people that people must report to care about. host: how many books have you written? guest: it depends on what you mean by book. hi a couple collections of my columns to about half a dozen. my favorite book and most recent is the one about my father called dear father, dear son, two lives, two hours and it's the same book. host: tell us about viola and randolph elder. elder.

guest: they are my panters. my mother was born on a farm in alabama and my father was born inin the house in georgia and he does not who his father is. my mother came from a large and prosperous family and the farm was in the family and during the great depression, my mother said we never felt it. we sold excess poultry and vegetables to our neighbors. my mother and father got married in chattanooga, and as i mentioned my dad does not know who his biological father is. i didn't find that out until i was 25 years old and that's why i wrote the book. i disliked my father growing up intensity as did my two brothers. mymy father was ill tempered iny opinion. spanked us too readily and usharshly in my opinion, and i didn't understand why hed was o irritable all the time. so unfortunately my dad started a cafe when i'm 10 years old and hnow i have to work for the so. i didn't like working for him either. it was a little cafe and people

could hear and see everything. my dad yelled when he thought i did something wrong. i'm 15 years scold i worked for five years and said the next time he yelled at me i'm talking off the apron and walking out. he kept yelling and i didn't have thehe nerve. at 15, i took off the apron and walked out. that day the waitress called in sick and my dad was there during rush hour with a restaurant full of people, talking about 15 stools but standing room during rush hour so all the people my dad had tohe handle by himself. he comes home that night and he's steaming. i'm laying on my bed and my dad walked in my bedroom and said why did you leave? for the first time i spoke back to my fare and i said, dad, i got sick and tired of the way you spoke to me and i'm not putting up with it anymore. my father looked at me and paid me $10 a day plus tips and balled up the $10 and threw it at mend and walked out and we didn't have a conversation for the next ten years.

my dad lived in the same house and worked long hours and i avoided anyxt interaction with him. i graduate high school and go to college in new england and go to law school in the midwest and come home to visit my mom and make sure my dad and i are not in the same room. i'm 25 years old and pass the ohio bar, the california bar and at a big law firm making the equivalent of about $150k. i'm 25 years old and i should be living large and can't sleep. i know it has to do with my dad. i call my friends and say -- call my secretary and say i'm flying to la and i'll be back in three days. i didn't tell my parents i was coming and didn't want my dad to prepare for the quick 10 minutes summit. i took the cab to the restaurant and get there at 1:30 and knew they closed in at 2:30. he was shocked. i said i'm here for five or ten minutes and he said, wait till

we close. i said, larry, don't t off on the guy and give him a highlight of things that bothered you and i'll call him an unfair and too harsh of a father and he'll call me an un-grateful son and maybe i'll be able to sleep. my dad sat down and despite my efforts ited off on him and spoke nonstop for about a half hour and told him the whipping and spanking and slight and when he whipped me in front of my cousin elaine from cleveland and how embarrassing it was. i was disown and spent in 30 minutes and he just took it. my dad said, is that it? you didn't speak to me for ten years because of that. let me tell you about my father. now, peter, i need to tell you i knew nothing about my dade's life but -- dad's life but he was an only child and got no christmas prints. i didn't like him and i didn't ask him about his life. for the first time i saw my

father cry. he said let me tell you about my father. he said your last name elder, it's not my father's last name. i don't know my father's last name. never met him. ... planned parenthood ...

they were the largest private employers are by people than in trouble to california. and he could walk through the front of a restaurant and he'd get served. maybe someday i'll relocate to california. i said dad why the marines? you said anybody out there in marines two reasons one to go with the action is and they wear uniform. my dad was a montford point marine and he was stationed in qualm a staff sergeant in charge of cooking for the soldiers. my mom got him a job as a cook anywhere from restaurant to restaurant and they said we don't hire the n word. my dad goes to the unemployment office lady said he went to the wrong door. you need to go through that door. >> that was the same lady is in the. my mother said this is nonsense. i'll get you a job as a cook. walks around in these told you

don't have any references. my dad said i need references to make ham and eggs and a offered to t work free for two weeks if someone would give him a reference. they wouldn't do that. my dad said i'll be in there and sat there for holds a came back the next day sat for half a day lady calls them up i've got something and i don't know whether he will want to. my dad said of course i wanted. she said a job cleaning. my dad did that for 10 years through a hookup he found another janitor job with another great company. my dad worked two full-time jobs cleaning went to night school to get his ged cooked for a family on thehe weekends to make additional money so they'd have a stay at home life to raise three boys. that's why he was so. he never slept. 15 minutes here, half-hour there, 45 minutes there.

year after year if you do that and you walk into into a house with aano three room brunches bs what kind of weather -- three rambunctious boys what kind of mood are youou going to be in? now i'm crying. i said please forgive me for judging you so harshly my death so don't worry about it. you were a kid and you didn't know. hard work wins. you get out of life what you put into it. you can't control the outcome. you aren't 100% control of the effort and before you moan and about what someone did to you think what could i have done to change outcome in my dad said no matter how hard you work and how good you are bad things will happen and how you deal with those bad things will tell my mother in me if we raised a man. o he and i were the best of friends and for the next 35 years we had a wonderful relationship and that's what the book is about. >> host: it was a tough book

to read. >> guest: it was cathartic writing it and i was writing it i get was a life in every now and then i'd say dad what happened here and he would answer and say why are you bribing a book about my little life? as soon as the book was over my utdad died. one year of college and choose to tell people she had two gears and she came out with the your book she had and it stopped after one year. asked my mother why and she got upset. it bothered her she only had one year of education. my mother told my brothers and me the way up and out with their education and hard work. she corrected vin scully's grandma one time. my mother and i met vin scully at a black-tie affair and we were sitting and talking and i remember driving one time in the car and vin scully said no telling whered the ball would

have gone. no telling where the ball would have went. getting back to my mom i remember this vividly. we are at our old house and i was seven years younger and removed in 1959 to south central los angeles. it was a book of illustrated presidents from george washington to the congress at the time. he listed every single president and when the book was over she said larry someday you could be in this book ifis you want to. i never aspired to running for office and i thought always been interested in politics and politicians. that's what she said. fast-forward i ran for governor of california. i got 150,000 individual votes. when i got into the race i wasn't trying to be strategic.

that's a marginal -- arnold schwarzenegger got into the race. i was approached by a lot of people that i admire through the radio and my pastor and the guy that ultimately became the chairman of my campaign a longtime filmmaker. and i asked normal people like the guy that drove me. his name was added in civil service and they all wanted me to run. i said wow so little by little i felt if not now when and ahead a spiritual obligation. i felt i could make a difference in california. in eight weeks we raised $22 million on their placement side. it is a two-step deal for the first part was gavin newsom had to be recalled. had that happen whoever got the most votes on their placement side would become governor so 45

people ran and i got 3.5 million votes and all the 45 combined i carried 57 out of 68 in only one i lost to san francisco. i lost up by 149 votes. we didn't campaign there because the thought of as a lost cause. the reason i'm telling you that is because i ran for governor and a lot of people thought -- asked me to consider running for president and i'm now giving a strong consideration. it's not that i believe i will displace donald trump or ron desantis if they run. i've got things to say. a major thing is the breakdown of the american nuclear family. 70% of black children, 40% of all american kids have and 20% of kids do. barack obama was raised without a father nine times elected.

how did he go from having 25% of black kids in 1995 to 75% now? the welfare state. you incentivize a man to abandon your moral responsibilities far and away the biggest problem in america. there's a line between data that and the fact that 85% of eighth-graders nationwide cannot read or do math. 85% of black children are functionally because of the lack of supervision and values in the house. there's a direct flight between having crying. i want to talk about the connection between that -- and not feel either party including my party the republican party spend enough time addressing that. >> host: speaking of which you wrote in 2000 in "the ten things

you can't say in america" he mentioned the welfare sta is the tyranny of the status quo. >> guest: yeah it is by far the biggest problem we have in america. there's a book called his father's face by a writer named george roberson. it talks about a prison chaplain who want to improve morale and prison and went to a big reading company and said can you give me 500 mother's day cards for free? htand they did. he passes them out and the morale did improve. father's day rolls around and you know where i'm going with the story. the same greeting card company 500 cards and not a single wanted to fill one out. not one.wa if you look at crime and the breakdown of the family there's a direct correlation between tht

two. >> host: larry elder how did you do in your old stomping grounds with the recall? >> guest: i carried l.a. county on the recall side. i had a great time with asian-american media and media and the former democrats in the majority leader still democrats crossed party lines and supported me because the issue of pro-choice but i had assumed beating with vader temple pastors and everything was going okay until i said the police were not engaging -- and they were bad and you deal with them on a case-by-case basis. and they went ballistic. i said the number one problem facing the black community as they write down of the black family. i said you guys are pastors. you guys are role models. you guys are opinion shapers and in your telling me the number

one problem is police brutality? it is not sure and i'm in l.a.. l.a. had back-to-back -- including the o.j. simpson case. l.a. is 40% 30% and 10% black and the rest are asian-americans. it's exactly the representation of the police department, a exactly. you have activists in the streets yelling and screaming about police brutality. take baltimore were a few years ago freddie gray died. incomes the obama administration to investigate whether c not baltimore has systemic racism the same department that two months earlier the obama administration gave anhe award r their 21st policing all guard policing toel celebrate them and the mayor was black. the number one and number two

people were black. the state attorney who brought the charges were black. there were three and three were black and two were tried before a black judge. all city council was democrat majority black. the united united states attorney general of the time was black as was the president. i'm reminded of the how are you going to complain about the man when you are the man? so it's ridiculous virtually every one has have or have had a black mayor in black police chiefs and -- in public school and talking about this? it's ridiculous. recently in philadelphia this place called sesame place, it's an amusement park and i never heard aboutne it. rosie does high-fiving everyone and it turns out there's a lot of video where that character

other characters were high eight -- high-fiving kids in ignoring black kids. it appears to be something systemic i don't know of something systemic i don't know of. the video went viral and other people looked at the video and the park apologized and jesse jackson writes jesse jackson writes them a letter and accuses them of systemic racism. the man -- they demanded that they hire more black people undergo sensitivity training up black people on the board of directors. a baltimore family that was there sued it for $25 million. i don't doubt that maybe there's something going on here but to make it to world war iii in philadelphia is on track for more homicides than in history? of the public-school teachers in philadelphia 44% of them are school-age kids are in private schools and 10% nationwide because the schools are so bad.

and baltimore have 13 public high schools public high schools and baltimore were 0% of kids are at grade level. that's almost half the childrenn of baltimore where the kids are 0% proficient in math or 1%. to my knowledge there hasn't been a word about that but you let some 4-year-old girl whose parents will determine how she reacts to that and you demand this, that and the other. it's a crime against leadership and some these people like jesse jackson and al sharpton. >> host: larry elder at what point being raised in south central did you become a conservative? >> guest: my dad was a lifelong republican. my dad said you don't get something for nothing.up you almost getting the -- almost always get nothing for something.

my mother is a lifelong democrat and they would quarrel in a similar way -- my dad worked long hours and we sit down to table and a debate politics of my mother to could she was very educated would in my opinion beat him but the older i got the more i realized my dad was using common sense and i began siding with myze dad. so i was never a victim. i never felt i was oppressed and couldn't do what i needed to do if i worked hard. that's my orientation. i took economics 101 and i learned the downside of minimum wage and that opened meed up a little bit and i began reading ayn rand and thomas soul when i was 13 years old. i was somebody who never felt like i wasas a victim and i believed in america and hard work. may be unpopular with some of the kids in high school. >> host: after university of

michigan law school a law firm in cleveland how did you get into the -- >> i left a laffer or three years started a law firm which i did for 14 years. it was the only thing i wanted toto do in my life. i also wanted to eat and i know how difficult it is as a writer law school was a way of figuring out what i wanted to do. so i go to law school and i graduate from law school with a degree. i'm a trial lawyer very successful in my opinion. i have fond memories of my law firm. note the huge law firm and i begin writing of bids for the newspaper when i started my firm. i began writing op-ed pieces. in those days are you young people with things like envelopes and stamps. i would write something put it

in an envelope and send it to the largest newspaper in ohio and i i get a little card saying thank you. no thank you. i must have written half a dozen and finally they publish one. it was 35 years ago where said today in america racism is no longer a major problem. if you workk hard basically i cn outline my philosophy. they publish it and i got a phonecall from a producer radio show. he said are you black? and i said i've been told. he said i'm producing a radio show and i'd like you to come on and talk about it. i had been on the radio before. i was on for a whole hour. that's a long time to keep somebody on his never been there. most of the calls were byre blak people and they would call us all go tom and oreo and the and it was the longest hour

of my life. i remember driving back to my office i said i'll never do that again in the station manager called and said you were amazing today. i was? you have a good speaking voice in you to difficult positions without losing your temper and have you ever thought about doing talk radio? i said i don't like yelling at people and i don't like yelling and he said are you married? at the time i was in use to talk over with your wife. i went home and mentioned it and she said what do you know about talk radio and i said nothing i'm shallow glib and. and she said it is and you'd be good at it. i did it and i heard angels singing. i can give my opinion and make a living out of this so i met some people ultimately dennis kreger and he had me on the show and the station manager likes me and

gave me a two-day audition and after the first night he said do you want this job? he said go out and have fun and don't speak so quickly. i've been been on a been on regular person so now i'm giving tv. >> host: 2009 the book men how to play the race card and when. >> guest: so many booksellers didn't carry a i went to lax to see the book. it's quite a chart to see your book at lax and the lady and african-american lady said do you carry black men and she said no eyes offended by the title. i so did you read the book and she said no. so we found out a lot of people

reacted to the title and the bruce mccaul that is because michel moore had a book called men. this book doesn't criticize lachman it criticizes people for thinking black people are. so i figured i could get away with the title. it was a bestseller but i had such pushback we renamed it "what's race got to do with it?." >> host: from that book you write quote who put stuff like this in the minds of so many acks? the clintonswh jackson's liberas about the unfinished business of racism in america and the of wh plic figures including sports figures and entertainers all aing to quote keep it real by stirring the pot than keeping blacks angry making for a less productive and less practice in being less willing to invest in their cells --

themselves. >> guest: i wrote that some years ago if i were to read that today. at the top of the list barack obama. i was in boston in 2004 when he lit up the arena and gave that speech for john kerry. there's no blue america there's no red america. there is no liberal. it was a great speech and i said to my producer this man will run for president someday. i was surprised it happened so quickly. the first time i saw an interview he was not the front-runner yet on the primary side. hillary was still the front-runner. otherwise i would have had them on. and i asked if you don't when will up because of race and i leaned back and said let's see what this man will say.

what obama said was no. if i don't win it will because i didn't articulate this or that. and i said to myself hallelujah. i'm not going to vote for him. i can't vote for a tax then regulate takeover health care democrat but it will bring us together racially at least it will stop thee nonsense and i watched him give a speech at a black church and he was in the senate and he talked about how much racism there was and he said the generation of martin luther king got 90% of the way there. my generatione he said has to give us an additional 10%. a fox opinion poll in 2000 to 8% of americans have to be written off. i thought it was useful what he said. he gets into office and he walks into the oval office of

january 2009s and he's said 70% approval even though he got more than 52%. so many people in my opinion is that okay didn't vote for him. maybe it will bring us together racially. for the next eight years he did the opposite. if i had a son that look like trayvon there's a place b called ferguson.am racism in america is dna and embrace the black lives matter movement and he did the opposite of what most people thought he was going to do which is why when he left americans and black thought race relations would improve both a interior -- deteriorated under barack obama because of that rhetoric in his second term there were two police officers murdered in new york. there were three killed execution style in baton rouge five in dallas all but three different black men all by whom

are motivatedti by the slymack. the flames of which obama is spanned and they did incalculable damage. someone like barack obama raised by single mom ph.d. he goes to harvard law school columbia for undergraduate from an obscure state like a way to become president of the nice if any still whining about racism? then i guess it must be chirped. eric holder the a.g. thinking is a firm and probably in making between five and $10 million a year. race card, race card, race card. he gave a speech where he talked about pernicious -- the nba took it away from him because of --la and eric holder gave a speech and he said blatantly we have that covered.

donald sterling we have got the cover. so pernicious racism have to deal with. i read the speech may be ahe hundred times. number one was the movement toward voter photo i.d.. the majority of blacks supported photo i.d. and the supreme court ruled with the opinion written by john paul stevens the most liberal justice 6-3 that there was an interest in states passing photo i.d.. the majority of blacks don't want photo i.d. in the second example he gave his blacks who commit the same crime as a person will get a longer a so as -- sentence and he quoted the commission as his source and it's true butruru what he didn'y was the reason for this is that the average black criminal had more conviction than the average criminal which doesn't take into consideration -- and the third thing he said is the fact that

black boys are kicked out of school more often than boys. also true. he sued the decatur illinois school district years ago in a kicked out a bunch of black kids who were fighting after football game. turns out they were kicked out for four days. the school board point out in their lawsuit the matter the race of the principal the race of the school board the race of the prince of black boys are picked up more often than boys. this is eric holder the attorney general giving three examples and that's all you've got? and they were all lame and they were all wrong? racism has never been a less important thing thanes now. i'm not saying america doesn't have. we know that. take derek chauvin however you feel about what derek chauvin. bears did zero evidence he did it because george floyd is black. the lead prosecutor never argued that he had a racial motive.

let's deal with these things on a case-by-case basis. this is one of the reasons young black men are complying. i wouldn't comply either if someone pulled me over and was going to do harm. i'm toldma that by eric holder d brac obama and other black leaders. my father told my brothers and me if you get stopped by the say yes sir no sir. make sure your left hand is a 10:00 and your right hand is ats 2:00 and make sure your paperwork is in order and get a badge number and we'll will deal with the later onst could a lotf young black kids don't have somebody telling them that but you hear about barack obama talking about systemic racism. obama w did a great deal of dame and i know he watches "in depth" on c-span. i try to reach out to him and have a conversation with him.

there's a magazine that talks about a poll in the magazine and people who weren't so described as very liberal or asked in 2019 how many unarmed lachman were killed? half of the liberal people said 1000. 8% said 10,000. what about regular old liberals? 39% of the police in 2019 killed 1000 unarmed black man. 5% thought they kill 10,000. the answer was 12. if you're that about what the police are doing it for so have fear of them. why would you want to listen to them? this is the level of propaganda the left has allowed people to feel the cuts they want their vote. how do you get 95% of one group of people in the democratic party must you lie to them.

as a result they are working as hard as they should. if you don't do your homework at night how in the world do you expect to come out and do well in the marketplace? there's a relationship betweenee how hard you work in the results are going to get an all too often we are told the reason you are where you want to be is because somebody help you back. nonsense. if my father had every reason to be angry at the world that couldn't possibly hold you back so knock it off and take advantage of your situation pick up your cards and rhetoric they are in the play them to the best of your ability and you can be successful. the thinkt tanks on the left ad the right the most prominent one on the left brookings and on the right the american enterprise institute. they both say you need to do the same handful of things. number one finish high school.

ideally when you can read and write at grade level and number twot don't have a kid and they were 20 number three get married first ever forget a job and keep a job and don't quit your job and to get another job and finally avoid the criminal justice system. don't commit a crime. you will not be poor. if youno don't follow that forma there's a good chance youfo wil. >> host: good afternoon and welcome to booktv's "in depth" program and this is our monthly author interview program. we invite one of her to talk about his or her body for it. this month it's author talk-show host and gubernatorial candidate larry elder. here's a list of his books. beginning in 2000 "the ten things you can't say in america" came out followed by "showdown" confronting bias lies and special-interest and america.

"what's race got to do with it?" in 2009 originally published as men and "double standards" a collection of his essays and the book we discussed a little bit "a lot like me" a father and son's journey to reconciliation his most recent in 2018. this is your chance to participate. talk to mr. elder and asking questions about his books etc.. (202)748-8200 in eastern and central timezones (202)748-8201 for those of you in the pacificp timezone so and if you want to send a text message please include your first name and your city if you would and you can send that to (202)748-8903. plus we have some social media sites. just remember @booktv is their address for social media sites in case you want to post your comments or questions.

earlier today mr. elder i pulled up between synthesis from the gentleman named cory stewart. mr. stewart asked, ask him real questions like why does he belong to a party that openly quotes nationalist organizations that would like him dead? >> guest: this is the donald trump racist dog whistle to get elected. there are 700 counties that voted for obama in 2,002,012. 200 of them switched to vote for donald trump in 2016. did they all of a sudden realize they were racist? most voted for donald trumpr and 2016 was in abilene texas roughly 85%. shortly after trump got elected guess who the town voted for its

first black mayor, abilene texas. it's absolute nonsense and the idea that why people dislike black people to the point where they would put a racist and white house? there'se a talkshow host the one -- on "msnbc." chris matthews. he wrote a book called hardball where he talked about political campaigns. a short book. he saidbo most people would nevr vote for somebody if they thought they were racist. chris wallace used to be the secretary for tip o'neill a long time democrat. >> host: chris matthews. >> guest: chris matthews. an astute observer of politics and most people would never vote for personally thought were racist. it's just nonsense but why would

donald trump want to be known as a racist and this guy donald trump for four years best economy ever for black people. he pardon jack johnson a 15 year effort led by tim burns the documentarian and sylvester stallone. obama didn't pardon him and george w. bush didn't pardon him. trump did. he had a long sentence for a long violent serious offense. a put permanent funding on the tenure bases and did something called the first step act so by the time unit is -- he pushed enterprise zones to reduce taxes and regulations in distressed areas to improve the black economy. he supported school choice which black and parents wanted and he

secured the borders in the best way it's been done in decades but why that relevant for black people? the person has done more work on legal and illegal immigration was george warhol is with harvard. the big winners are employers who hire people and they caney push them around if they fear being deported. most of the illegal aliens are high school or lessen these are the ones they compete against. he said they are probably a million jobs which would otherwise be held by black people because of the presence of illegal aliens and put $2000 worth of downward pressure on the race every year. donald trump stop that and resulted in the employment aspects for black and people -- black and white people -- if this guy is a racist you need to go back to racism school. >> host: from the "l.a. times"ro

september 4, 2021 quote the election of donald trump in 2015 in my opinion was divine intervention. it was a miracle. he was almost got sent. >> guest: well who saw that coming? all these pundits and experts including me when i first heard that he might run a city's not going to run in defeat does so get in for a few him weeks in the media will slaughter him and he'll pack up and go back to trump tower. i was shocked at how well he did and shocked at the way he got people thinking long and hard about fake news and he secured the borders by talking about the wall. now even joe biden is leaving parts of the wall in arizona. i think what donald trump did is to shake the republican party up and get them to stand up for their values. i'm a huge fan of donald trump

and i can't talk with him or for him. with one quick story about him in cleveland in 2050 we are campaigned together in a church and i said to him there's one thing you need to apologize for. this man does not like to apologize. he said i know you're going to say what i said about john mccain i said not at all? he said george w. bush us into the iraq war. he did not. there was a commission called the rob silverman commission and the intel was wrong but there is zero evidence thatise he. the bureau chief of the "associated press" at the time publicly said george w. bush quote about the iraq war. democrats to this day believe he either us into the war or there was a strong possibility it was a mistake. it is not true. hehe was shooting at the british

and american planes and stealing from the food program. he used them on a rainy instead use them on the. but he never said it again and i learned donald trump apologized. maybe he did but i haven't heard anybody say that. >> host: let's go back to 2021 and here's the current president. >> olivine over the last check-up check up to run against the real donald trump. this year, this here a republican running for governor is the closest thing to a trump clone that i've ever seen in this country and i really mean it.

he's leading the other team. he's a clone of donald trump. can you imagine him being the governor of this state? you can't let that happen. guess i think he was her fern to you mr. elder. >> guest: i got a call by an "l.a. times" columnist and that's how they won the election peter. he campaigned with gavin newsom barack obama cut a commercial for him. elizabeth warren cut a commercial form and nancy pelosi did and they all said the same thing. stop the republican takeover. they never said gavin newsom is doing a great job on crime

because he wasn't. gavin newsom is doing a great with schools and schools are ranked near the bottom. gavin newsom is doing a great job bringing people the california and the first time in 170 years people were leaving california taking their tax dollars with them. i can't think of anything this mando is done right and no one defended him. they all said don't let republicans take over because republicans are unpopular in california andal outnumbered 3-. that's how they succeeded but he wouldn't debate me and i was asked routinely do is sit down and debate the issues. they never did and he never did. when i got into the race to recall side went into a margin of error and he was scared sleepless. all this money came in from the union from hollywood and snoop

dogg pleaded against me even those snoop dogg was for school choice and a turned around. it's why so much of their heavy lumber came out. >> host: "in depth" -- larry elder we are talking to further show to further shown you have a little troubleup getting out he. you were in des moines. >> guest: i was at the state fair. a lot of people have asked me to consider running for higher office and it may sound self-serving but i would rather not do it. for the issues i want to talk about school choice the breakdown of the family the connection between the breakdown of the family crime and the breakdown of the borders and i'm not sure there many people who can speak so persuasively and passionately as i can so want to do that.

i believe wants to do this but i had a conversation with dan carson in dallas few days ago. hed, said i'm going to do what wants me to do and i said that's exactly how i feel. i have the patriotic and spiritual obligation to do what i think can help the country. if i can did nothing more that help people of color pick up the cards and play them to the best of your ability and will be just fine in america and get back to values. give back to the church, get back to right and wrong. if i can just raise of the few people and do what i thought obama was going to do then i will have served my purpose. >> host: have you've been to mar-a-lago? >> guest: i'vee been there a couple times or is there for the premiere of the documentary where they talk about all these people who were going to drop boxes with stacks of mail and ballots and they didn't think

they were legitimate ballots to influence elections in places like cleveland philadelphia plan that detroit and i was there for another reason. >> host: have expressed this view point about running with president trump? >> guest: i have not. since mar-a-lago i talked about doing it. i'm not afraid to and i franklyy feel the likelihood that obama will be the nominee -- i'm sorry did i say obama? the likelihood of trump getting the nomination is quite high and i'm fine with that. or ron desantis. i have some things i want to say. i'm not going to say anything critical and by the way when i ran for governor there were half a dozen major republicans on the replacement side. i didn't say negative thing about a single one of them.

i became the front-runner right away because i didn't want to get into the firing squad. we know with what the issues were, crime homelessness and kids were behind in california and they lost the home of fear between what the issues were. i didn't say a thing about them. one of them in particular was the favorite of the republican establishment the gop did not endorse me. the state board did not endorse me day one kevin faulconer to term mayor kevin mccarthy wanted him. i carried the county by 31 points. the other one that was favored was a guy named kevin kylie and assemblyman who's now running for congress in the sacramento area. i carried his county by 31 points but i galvanize the base and when theyhe realized i was establishment they didn't

endorse anyone officially. kevin faulconer. my point in tolling you that i wasn't out there to donald trump. he did a great job as president i think he got a raw deal with the suppression of them hunter biden story. 91% of their stories about donald trump are negatives. no new wars and the economy was great. a iran deal he got us other than the climate changee deal. he was by an investigation that turned about to be empty. the man was critically mistreated so i'm not going to rosay anything negative about h. i've some things i want to talk about most notably. >> host: final question before you go to calls what about the election deniers -- >> guest: i'll give you a long answer about that. here's what i find irritating about this whole business of

election deniers. there have been numerous election deniers on the democratic side. hillaryy for four years said the election was stolen. 57% of democrats on do you go. poll said -- a 1000 page senate report looking into the election of 2160 evidence of a single vote tally was change. jay jones and the secretary of homeland security testified under oath zero evidence a single vote tally was change through 67% democrats believe russia and changed vote tallies to elect donald trump. they testified under oath and saidls we don't know whether or not the russian interference alter the outcome of the election. we have att country where there was no interference and we could compare the two and we can't do that if we don't know. 70% according to gallup 70% of

americans say they altered the election in favor of donald trump. republicans have the same way about 2020. the chair of the house the january 6 committee in 2005 he joined with 85 democrats who refuse to see collectors in ohio because the allegations of voting machines had been tampered with. no evidence. here he is denying of the election in ohio. al gore still to this day believes the election was stolen from him. and barbara boxer as maxine waters and jones challenge the electors. donald trump does it and he's undermining the integrity of our government but they aren't a problem? a fact check organization said

there was no evidence. and jimmy carter for crying out loud publicly said he believed the russians put trump in the white house in 2016. donald -- a former president of the united states saying this but they get a pass. hillary's platform never shut down even though she pushed the big juan: which was incredibly unfair. i mentioned the hunter biden story. incredibly unfair 16% of joe biden's voters that have been known about the story they would have not voted for biden. trump wins, not a problem. steve kornacki the election guy on "msnbc" says 30,000 votes could change the election to donald trump. michigan the status -- secretary of state used covid's and excuse to send mail-in ballots to every single person in the state.

donald trump lost a lawsuit. the michigan supreme court to take up the case leavingsa the appellate vote 2-1 in place but a judge said that the secretary of state do is illegal to--1. hest said the lawsuit was and pennsylvania all sorts of rules and regulations were broken including accepting mail-in ballots after the deadline. two left-wing professors jonathan turley and alan dershowitz both of lawsuit had married and dershowitz predicted the u.s. supreme court would take it up and donald trump would win it. he was wrong. shows you there was something there. wisconsin wisconsin supreme court voted 4-3 on the donald trump lost it but the chief justice of the supreme court dissented. he said among other things the drop boxes were illegal and since then the supreme court in wisconsin had rules going forward for these drop boxes to

be illegal. there was a merit in all these lawsuits of donald trump filed. all he did was higher lawyers like john eastman a friend of mine and rudy giuliani to make legal arguments for the same as the democrats did. there's nothing wrong with hiring a lawyer in making a legal arguments of this business about donald trump creating an interest -- insurrection incredibly unfair but on that day heg said i want you to patriotically and peacefully make your voices be heard. what part of patriotically and peacefully don't understand? democrats say i'm going to fight and take back the country. donald trump on that day i interviewed kash patel and kash patel was the chief of staff ofw the acting secretary and he said i was in the room. he authorized 20,000 from the --

they have to be requested and that's the job of nancy pelosi and the police and they did not request the use of these troops. donald trump offers their availability. who authorizes the availability of 20,000 guardsmen for a coup or an answer action? the does make sense. i would bet my house and you may not want it but i would bet my house merrick garland a.g. is not going to indict donald trump and if he does he'll he will get an acquittal. hustle is take your call for author and talk-show host larry elder. thank you for holding on. cold >> caller: first of all mr. elder thank you for discussing these very topics in c-span i grew up in private schools and i went to schools with blacks puerto ricans and i've always believed might grandfather once told me he said

life is about choices and opportunity. when i was 15 years old i was on a teen program and later propelled me into doing some work in radio. it took me to real state radio nascar. i could go on and on. i've listened to so muchu of wht you said and you will laugh at his neck, tanenhaus my question big only thing i thought donald trump did wrong when he came down the tower, it was the mound feared cleaned up some of what he said and i voted for him but i want to know your comments on opportunities and why is it that you think so many people don't want to do that? they want somebody else to tell them what to do? >> host: we got it, bill. >> guest: thank you for that.

a lot of people are afraid of freedom. freedom means if you don't get what you want and you don't get where you want to go it's on you. look in the mirror and that scares a lot of people. regarding choices at quick story bill i'm on the sailboat in cleveland and one of my but he's had a sailboat and i was on there with a bunch of other people and one guy was complaining to me about his job. he his job and i spoke with him for 20 minutes or so and i said and what are you going to do about it? he looks at me like i was a 2 x 4. 20 years later i get a letter from him dear larry you may not. remember me. he started his own business now he has 10 to 15 people working for him and became a multimillionaire never been happier and he said if you hadn't slept in the face and told me to take responsibility for knows what i would have

done? overcoming laziness is one of the hardest things in life. life is all about as you said opportunity a promise of gain in fear of loss motivates more people and doing nothing am procrastinating is quite easy for people to do. we have to pick up our cards and play them again. >> host: jim and casper, wyoming, good afternoon. >> caller: good afternoon. larry i've been enjoying your show today. i just wanted to ask you i had given up on california and left and i was wondering if you are interested in running again seeing that you did so well in the recall. he didn't win it but you sure made a big impact. >> host: before we get that answer give us your california experience. where did youe live? >> i was born in tahoe but i lived in sacramento and lived

there for my entire life until i was 55 years old when i lived there until 2021 i got an aopportunity to move. it's a beautiful state and i have my wife there and grandkids. tired of taxes and tired of people raising taxes on themselves so i decided i needed to move somewhere where i could agree on things. >> host: thank you, jim. >> guest: 2000 through's i mentioned a recall of the democrat governor -- became governor. since then until now their 5% more registered democrats, 50% more registered independent according to their times in california and 33% fewer registered republicans and still i ended up getting 49% of the vote over arnold schwarzenegger.

there hasn't been a republicann elected in california in 20 years and by the way when the race waswi over a lot of the mar rivals john cox and others grumbled that he had larry elder not done this or done better had he done this or that he would. have won. he interviewed all these people and they were sour grapes about the campaign. i said let's find out how many people ran against gavin newsom when he ranst it for re-election and if they knew what the secret sauce was i'm sure they'd jump in and run again. not a single one did. the person who won the primary no name recognition no money got 1.1 million votes and i got 3.5 million. i can understand why people are giving up on california. there's a magazine called ceo magazine that's been out for 17 years in 17 years that asked ceo what the best thing owned

business what's the worst in a friendly atmosphere quick 17 consecutive years california has -- elon musk left dave rubin left. a lot of people are leaving and taking their businesses with them. elon musk alone about $2.5 billion in taxes than in california 13.3% was income tax. you are losing all that money not just one year but every single year this man is the business is sooner or later the state will hit rock bottom and only then will democrats will rethink their hostility towards republicans couldn't tell that happens i think it will be hard for any republican to win statewide. >> host: have you considered considered -- >> guest: i have not. i was born and raised there. if you bought a house in the 80s in california you've got a

lot of y money and the first hoe i bought was in 1986 and i bought one in hollywood hills. i have a lot of equity in my house. i was born or raised there and i went to school there my friends are there and my pastors there. i'd like to stay there and fight and take it back in if back in if they can't do it at that level maybe i can do it at the next level. what's the reaction to you in hollywood these days? >> guest: hollywood is an interesting area. contributions for politics and hollywood 99% voted democrat. when it was pretty clear i was a serious risk to a serious wrist togetherness and there's an article in the hollywood reporter about how gavin newsom called on hollywood to unite against the. so the normal people in hollywood.re they come up to me and they say i work in hollywood tonight

can't let anybody know how conservative imr wouldn't get any work. i was at my house one time and got a knock on the door scout locator is going to do a movie. we'd like to move -- use your movie for catering service of a negotiated deal to do that. i had never seen the film before some watching the film and they come over to me and we start having a conversation. six months later he called my radio show larry on the guy they came to your house. i haven't worked since then. they found out i knew you and i like to and i haven't worked since then. i can give you story after story like that. i have a court show a judge of the best judge show ever. the guy that designed my set a million-dollar set of beautiful set he was so classy the rnc

asked him to design their set that year. he did. he didn't work for two years. he said i'm and left-wing and a democrat. because i worked on that set and i thought i was a public and when i told him i was andwa they said they -- that's how the tolerant community of hollywood is. >> host: cornelius, alexandria, louisiana go ahead with your question or comment for larry elder. >> caller: mr. elder thank you and thank you for booktv. i live here in alexander louisiana and don't know of remember a guy named louis armstrong? >> guest: are you kidding? >> caller: louis armstrong said this is the most racist city he'd ever been and he was never coming back to alexandria so they never performed again in

alexandria. what i want to say to you as an african-american i left the democratic party a long time ago. 61 years old and i used to work for the u.s. bureau of prisons in oakdale. they have the rights with the cubans. i came in right after that riot and they got to say in the n word and stuff like that and i said i wouldn't tolerate that stuff. there's a black warden down here and -- you are ready to go to jail you can't do anything so i've been trying to clear my name and stuff but i want to salute you. you told thatt story about your father being a tough marine and stuff that sent chills through my bones. i was a military police officer. >> host: thank you for calling in. mr. elder in aor comment? >> guest: thank you.

not a lot of fun being called a coconut or an oreo that if that's what it takes to wake up a few people so they can begin to appreciate the freedom we have in the recent cubans and are coming here and people from central america are coming here. if that's what it takes fine. little by little i can tell i'm making a difference but he gave a speech once peter. most of the audience is. they are a handful of black people. there was the secret handshake required or anything but they just don't come. et al.. i and i said something when i shook his hand and i said something. the speeches speech is over and he walks up to me he said

mr. elder i'm really mad at myself. i had no idea there was a 50% dropout rate in our urban schools. i had no idea the abortions of abortions being performed on black women. i thought it was well informed. and now i'm going to start opening my mind in reading more of your material. thank you so much for shaking me up and waking me up. >> host: some of those convictions drug convict since. are those fair? >> guest: i've always felt the war on drugs should be fought as a public policy issue and not a criminal justice issue. it's okay for somebody next-door to have two or three or four we have a joint i've always had a problem with that. >> host: he said it's tough to

be called an oreo. you have a web site uncle tom -dot, we want to show video. ♪♪ >> when you look at these pictures you get a sense of what black life was like he >> divine providence operates in the lives of black americans. >> throughout history black folks were honorable. they have integrity. that's what black people were. >> were never taught that we were not american.

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establish that -- and is near -- merely upon. ♪♪ let's go larry elder? >> guest: that's the trailer to thet sequel called uncle tom too. uncle, one came out juneteenth of 2020. it costs roughly five at thousand dollars to make. the rule in hollywood is if you can do three times your films y cost you got a hit. uncle tom was three times its cost but a executive, brilliant director and cowriter along with writer and sell an shadow jackson helped to write it and it's all about the way the left

marxism socialism and collectivism have co-opted the civil rights movement and created a legitimate equal rights for equal results and it's abouts the income -- andnd game of black rights matter. the reason for the civil rights movement for all these pastors who believed in judeo-christian values and belief in family. what we have done over the years as we have replaced with government and that's what uncle tom won an uncle tom to her all about and you can see uncle tom one for free. we want anybody and everybody to watch it. go to uncle,.com to watch it and it comes out on august 26. i'm very proud of this work and for all the people out there just go on imdb and breathe for you. there hundreds ofe reviews. it's almost as if i wrote to myself. i didn't know this about the

naacp. mlk said if there's a city with 30% blacks the percentage of a company should bed 30%. the country's 13% black and they should be 13% nba players as opposed to 35%? the first 11 somebody said is a love letter to america and the second is that your john letter to marxist collectivist people like black lives matter who are manipulating black people for power. the reason you are able to get 95% of black people to go away and not talk about crime or education and work opportunity is because the lie that america systemically racist in the real cause ofse social justice whater that means. and it's trying to undo that damage. host the let's go back to calls david and tulsa please go ahead.

>> caller: what is critical race. what does it mean to him? >> guest: what does it mean to you, david? >> caller: i don't know. that's why i'm asking your guests. i'm very confused about that issue. >> guest: is a very good question. i'm not sure either. i know the components of it and in my opinion telling young people that their oppressors and virtually everything in america that you find you're not happy with can be explained or racism. unequal outcomes can be explained her race and racism when attacked in 1940, 80% of -- both in poverty in 20 years later a 40-point drop in 20 years. that's the greatest twenty-year period offo economic expansion r in history before the so far it's movement before brown

versus board of education board of education. strong families and belief eti . let's go what is it today the poverty. among african-americans? >> guest: the poverty. for blacks is 20% for is 19%. that was declining steadily and it began leveling out and it's been that way ever since. the government has done nothing. the government stayed out of it we'd have much more --. >> host: jim in california good afternoon. >> caller: thank you for taking my call and thank you mr. elder. my question is though i live in an area that is very beautiful and the southern sierra's in the national forests essentially and i love it. the area and many of the people i know and many of the areas aroundee me are in deep deep poverty. i would estimate the lower 10 to 15% of the populace.

it's native american american in some african-american, not very many but it's a very poor area. what i see with the problem is that i don't think anybody cares about these people. you recently mentioned since the 60s the rate hasn't gone down. i'm not sure it has anything to do with -- i live in kevin mccarthy's district. most people vote for him and he hasn't done a bad job in my opinion but i don't really think republicans care about the people at the lower end if they can get their votes that's nice and if they don't they don't care about them. democrats don't care about them and they are more worried about me can sure we have an electric car in credits and things like this and solar panels on our houses. i know a lot of people and some people that have no housing and i know a lot of people that have substandard housing. >> host: jim will get an

answer to that what you had to say just a second that during the recall election did you support larry elder? >> caller: i supported the recall of gavin newsom. >> host: >> guest: on this business of p not people caring about the poor you mean the money that's being. >> for the poor he is notot run. $22 billion was on antipoverty programs in poverty one but on the security part there's a book called who really cares and i interviewed the author. he was at the time of public policy student at syracuse and he did a survey and he found out no one had done a study on who was word generous with their time and money?

he was shocked. conservatives give far more money and far more time far more blood than do liberals. two reasons conservatives are more religious than liberals and liberals gave just as much money as conservatives but they were -- and secondly conservatives believe the poor should be helped one on one or charitable organizations and they talk the talk and walk the walk. it's interesting i wrote a documentary called the 10 biggest liberal lies and it this is a narrative pushed by the left that a lot of people believe. if government got out of the wall for business and allowed individuals to figure it out to be. >> host: want to read a "from you 2001 from your book "showdown". elisa democratic party makes no.

of adhering to the founding fathers version of limited government. >> guest: that's why he supported convention of state. it should be an amendment in the constitution so government expansion would be 6% of gdp. war and natural disaster. ronald reagan came in 1980 campaign with a promise to shut down -- when he left the department was bigger than it was before. under george w. bush we got the schip program and expanded that because after all you need health care for kids. under both parties government expanded even during donald trump's campaign in 2016 he said we need to replace obamacare for something better. one government program is better than another government program? the way to replace obamacare's

with free markets and more competition. competition improves everything a makes every thing cheaper improves quality and makes it more accessibleth and half of or health care dollars are paid for by thehe government which is inefficient which is my opinion or health care system is. >> host: the next call for larry elder comes from demetrius in los angeles. please go ahead. demetrius hung up. i'm sorry. frank in tennessee. >> caller: hello larry. it's a pleasure to speak with you. you are a breath of fresh air in my quick question is this. what would be your next book? >> host: the topic of your next book? >> i think i'm writing one about mymy mom. >> host: secretary of state. >> guest: i asked my dad and my dad is a man of few words but when he speaks a count and make

coaxed him to come on and he didn't want to do. finally he agreed to do it. i leaned on him. my dad's theory about who gets better -- why people black people men, women can set the person who gets the best or ministers that they are overweight in the worst tippers are black females. he can look you when you walk into a restaurant and tell you what tipped they will leave. i had them on the first and is a dad who's a better tip for blacks or and my dad goes well i don't think we can generalize. i said dad who gives better tips men orid women? i don't think you can generalize the longest 15 minutes of my life. during a commercial break i get on the phone i go dad would you doing to make? i don't want to offend people.

i'm in the offending business. mom on the phone. my mom is a democrat and she'd yell at me about this and yell at me about that was was a a countrywoman thread good a countrywoman fled good commonsense bridges a kennedy democrat issue voted twice for george w. bush that she didn't change her party because it was emotional but she felt the democrats had gone off the reservation and she could no thlonger support them. >> host: when did they pass? >> guest: my mom died 15 years ago my dad died 10 years ago. my dad was nine years older than we assumed my mom that my dad was going to die before my mom. they were wonderful. i once asked it must have been 10 years before they died and where the kitchen table. posted this picture we are showing right now? guess i don't know what occurred to me to ask some basic mom dad what did you do on your first

date? they were married for 544 years in my moments of my dad dad and my dad looked at my mom. you guys don't remember? what was dad wearing? mom looked at dad, what was mom wearing? while this is romantic. those who you've lost a brother as well. >> guest: my brother died and 2019 produced by best friend and he was at his computer at 5:00 in the morning "friday the 13th" had a heart attack and died. it was two weeks before his 70th birthday. he and my sister-in-law had planned to go to hawaii for his 70th birthday. six or eight months after that their youngest son my nephew was found face dead in his apartment and had a heart attack at 38 years old. i believe it was grief from the death of his father. my poor sister-in-law lost her husband of 37 years and her

youngest son. she still is having difficulty with it. she is inn the support group for people who have lost loved ones in she goes regularly. she's a nursing and she's really sweet and i adore her. what a 1-2 punch she suffered. >> host:un leo in san diego you were on with larry elder. >> caller: hi mr. elder. nice talking to you. my question would be please correct me when i tell you what happened and correct me if i'm right or wrong. prior to the election i started receiving mail for three japanese people. i started receiving phonecalls and text messages from democrats asking me to vote for people and they called my name doug. my name is not dug. then what happened i found out a young man in los angeles was

pulled over with 300 ballots, a gun and some boos and money. that made me wonder what's going on. i looked into it and i come to find out gavin newsom hired approximately 20,000 ballot harvesters to collect ballots. then i looked a little further and i called my county board of supervisors and what i found out was the entire election for the entire united states was based upon the 2010 census, dead people and the three japanese people i'm talking about, they are all dead. >> host: leo let's see what mr. elder has to say about that. >> guest: there were lots of allegations made during the recall election and the recall went into the margin of error.

a lot of people thought it was an anomaly. i've never said the election was stolen and never made that argument but i do say this. we need to get back to voting on the day of the election and the only people that should be voting in my opinion are the people that -- and this endless voting weeks before the election makes zero sense and there's too much of a possibility of fraud. we want to get back to making people feel comfort found the election. atom can secure one of the republicans on the january 6 committee recently o said if you believe the 2020 election is the one -- at least that many democrats believe that in 2015 sop the way is to make sure you have voter i.d. when you show up and vote in person the way to one of the kid. the only reason for mail-in ballots is that they are going to g be in town that day. that's the only way in my opinion to make our election secure enough to get people the

confidence they should have. they don't have this mail-in ballot stuff in europe and they have many more requirements we have. >> host: larry elder you talked about going to iowa for the iowa state fair potentially exploring the presidential world. if somebody picks up your book "the ten things you can't say in america" or "showdown" or "what's race got to do with it?" is there anything written that woyou are like oops i wish i wod have written that or i disagree about today? >> guest: i can't think of anything. i reviewed some of my stuff before your interview peter and i said well it's pretty good. i need to reframe that again. i'm pretty happy with it think i would haveve emphasized the importance of securing the borders more and i don't think i mentioned immigration much at all. but the country has gotten bigger and bigger in terms of government intrusiveness. i was on "foxox news" wants andn

1900 government took less than 10% from the american people and now takes 35% when you add the value of unfunded mandates its half. i get a phonecall from an organization. is it your assertion that government took less than 10%? is there a source for your assertion that the government take out 35%? is there a source for your assertion you put a value to unfunded mandates the government takes halfal of what the americn people can and i gave them several sources. albert is half right a leader in the indicator right in the center. they said elder was right that government all three levels took less than 10%. elder was right. but one elder says they put a value onon unfunded mandates its half because of subjective.ti

of course it's objective. anacondas from east l.a. he said elder understated it and another put they numbered 50%. the reason it's objective, he complained about this when the governor left this as a democrat candidate in 1972. it went bust and he wrote a piece in "wall street journal" thing of which i don't how difficult it was to run a business i would have been a better senator. all the rules you impose make it difficult to make a profit hello? one of them was he was ait force of -- forced to put a security system in his bed and breakfasts. they want him to put one on that was more expensive than the one he thought he needed to do that ad value to the business when you say it's a mandate? so there is objective things that are involved and i agree with that.

i was so angry that with the article i contacted the two fact checkers and i asked him to come on my program. they said you said elder was right on this one and wrong on that one. how come i didn't get two-thirds right instead of half right? is a new mask? there's not much i regret. >> host: where can people hear your show? >> guest: cable on ntb and in l.a. atoned spectrum. you need to look on npd.com to find out where it is in your area. we also put excerpt excerpts up on youtube and we have a web site. i want all people to goo to epic tv and to subscribe its nine bucks a month. it's not a program. it's a documentary on january 6p coming out that i thought was a powerful documentary for people watching the january 6 committee hearings.

this is another perspective and point of view. >> host: do you still have your daily radio show? >> guest: i don't to stop doing it as of it as of may of this year in the first time in 30 years i haven't had a daily radio show. >> host: do you miss that? >> guest: i do miss it. i was on the radio for three hoursmi a day from 30 years. i'm enjoying my tv show and i have eight -- flying around the country campaigning for school choice and support initiatives for strongce families. i need more flexibility to do that and beingav a radio for the hours didn't allow me to do that. am having a good time. uncle tom twowo comes out on august 26 and a documentary called -- and the book about the gubernatorial campaign which will come out sometime early next year. >> host: berrien tampa good afternoon uber owned with very

elder. >> caller: i waited so long as there were so many segments and give me a minute. i live down south. i'm atheist and i'm not a republican or democrat. i believe there are a lot of uninformed voters and citizens of the united states and i don't subscribe to one particular party. i find you can be all of these things of a particular topic. uncle tom the book ui state somebody on the inside as well as outside so don't worry aboutd the uncle tom thing. my problem with california's the homelessss problem.

we are the richest country in the world get this homeless problem is getting out of hand. i'm in the process of writing a book and it's about capitalism. those three things are health care education and incarceration. i feel like if you want to be the number one superpower in the world you can't have people and you can't have sick people. you who don't have any type of attitude to reform prisoners if you're making money off of them. >> host: barry they got that point to tell us briefly about yourself. >> caller: like i said i'm from the north. i live in the south but there

was a point where i couldn't understand why black people were republicans. once i did my research if you look at the history of parties and how they switch to thunderstand why there are black republicans because if you are from thehe south the democrats were the party of the. i think the democrats have used the race card and that's the only card that they have used. do you understand what i'm saying? >> host: barry we are going to leave it there. we got the biographical information about the work he did and the homeless and no profit t for health care educatn and incarcerated. >> guest: we are the wealthiest country in the world and there's no reason we should have the homeless problem. most the people that are homeless have problem with alcohol or are addicted to drugs and that's a spiritual problem. talk to dr. ben carson when i was running for governor he talked about a plan he had and the trump administration had a second term he had this ready to

go. .. and there was auntie of money to treat people and they would treat people first and they would be offered opportunities to live on federal property in these houses th in these houses that were being built to. ben carson believes both of the homeless people would take up people on their offer and be willingly relocated to these areas were federal propertyte i. we have to do something though. it has gotten worse and worse. when gavin newsom was mayor of san francisco, two-term mayor, he promised to end of the homeless problem in san francisco before the end of his term. it is worse than ever. when he was lieutenant governor for eight years he pounded the desk and complaint had nothing to do but i suggested maybe just maybe you might want to fulfill

his campaign promise to solve the homeless problem in canton san francisco. it is only gotten worse. it's not a housing first it is a spiritual promise a direct relationship to the breakdown of the family is large and people who are homeless. but we can address this by dealing with her mental illness holism and low-cost housing. g chris rogers in southbury, connecticut please go-ahead your on book tv. depape thank you so s much. i think you are outstanding. i have a couple of comments to make and then i'll ask a question. here is one of my comments. chuck schumer on may 7 made an impassioned plea before congress, commemorating the beating of john lewis coming over the admin fed us a bridge. but they always conveniently

mention the fact he was beaten by democrats. the second thing, i have a daughter she does not understand the history. and in 1969 when there was forced busing democrats of boston graded the children on the buses with books and not only to the bricks at the buses with the children as well. i am trying to be brief, in 1854 wrote an essay in massachusetts. and in the essay he said he had admonished the democrats because they were this labeled holders of trade he admonished the press

because the press was sympathetic to the democratic cause. when he said that the press with few exceptions is corrupt. and if my math is correct that is 168 years ago. my question to you is, i know you are doing your best and so is vince ellison. how do we communicate the history of what has happened to the black community? rex rogers were going to have to leave it there. thank you for that in a comic? >> that's why did uncle tom and uncle tom to review watch both of thesewa documentaries you'll have a full course on exactly the history of these two parties. you are quite right democrats are the party of slavery. once there were no republican slave owners. they found some republican slave owners algae form the thousand slave owners in 18 the census six or eight might've been

republican. another started out as democrat was a party of jim crow democrats agency democratic party but democrats found the kkk. i have these politicians that have stood in front of school boards george wallace, warren, rick all the sudden in the 60s they switch sides. if you look at all the people to vote against the civil rights all the democrats that voted against it how many of them switched and became most obese they were born democrat and they died democrat. publican party supportive individual responsibility. hard work, family, god. i'm urging all of my fellow black to take a good hard look at the history of the republican party in the history of the democratic party.nd

to attack the black family and replace government with god and family. it's a different kind of savers being pushed by democrats versus the actual flavor they used to push. they went bruce is in california democrats line, go ahead bruce. >> caller: hi how are you doing? why did the republican street hillary clinton so bad? what was the deal about biden's sons? what was the deal about donald trump's 22 people in his cabinet have some kind of conviction? what is up withl that? were going to leave it there unless you want to leave a comments. >> guest: i have no comments. sue and nel in arizona you are on thehe air. >> caller: i've got a little bit of a history i've tried to be a

communist and high school for the nurse asked of course at 16 to join the communist party, the black panthers, black irish. the kidid did not understand wha it meant for the whole idea i was asked to join the ira in the kkk everybody should know of course they are all democrats. it's almost beaten to death by gang members on motorcycles because my partner was aus black guy on a harley chopper prism was beaten to death in with aan cane. my grandfather was he was an irish cop. people do not understand the history of california meant what happened with democrats and republicans. and of course i was in the business of firearms in historic artifacts but i sold guns antique and modern read they did the first gun laws were against blacks. and as mr. elder knows everyone is equal under god so everybody

should be under the second amendment equal. wel. wentt then something you we about the gun laws you write about that in the top ten things you cannot say in america. >> for the worst supreme court decision ever justice tawny talked about to rule other than chattel they can get guns. lord knows whatat they would doo exact revenge on the former slave owners for the evolution for maya communist is not uncommon. she was a marxist. even after which the university of chicago and studied under the free market guys he was still a marxist. he did not change until he became working for the s department of later when it came back and said the minimum wage destroys jobs. milton freedman said it's by the most antiblack law in the statute books. and so presents the evidence and found out they don't care. that got him rethinking.

my good friend david horwitz wrote a book called radical gun. used to work with black panthers. and began to realize what was happening and what people were saying and how it was hurting people. he is now a very conservative activists with a think tank. >> you mentioned tom soul and we ask every author comes on this program their favorite books and what they are currently reading. here is what larry elder tells the fountainhead catcher in the rit by jd salinger. of human bondage, bonfire of the vanities b wolfe, free to choosen freedman and every book by thomas soul. what is your relationship to him? >> i met him because of you. men and because of c-span. i was on m cpn 25, 30 years ago

when i had a radio show c-span came in that went to broadcaster show alive. f i was on for four hours break get a letter from thomas, dear larry my wife and i watch the entire four hours you were magnificent. you claim free market principles and a clear persuasive way. you talk about the importance of education the importance of family i am a fan are you kidding me? that's like getting a letter from elvis or babe ruth. i wrote him back we became very good friends. he invited me too spend the weekend up with him in the bay area where he lives been good friends ever since i was invited to his 80th birthday. we are going to show some the 1996 video that he saw when we played it live on c-span. >> maestro if you would. ♪ the larry elder contract with america is as follows ♪ ♪ number one, passed a 15% flat

tax, no deductions. let's call it make it tax lawyers and lobbyists and endangered species act. ♪ number two, reduce government by approximately 80%. less than 2% of americans are farmers the department of agriculture still adds more bureaucrats. what exactly does a small business and mr. should do anyway other than loan money to people who default in far greater numbers in the private sector would have tolerated? number three, and welfare and i am talk about wealth or the small w and welfare with a big w of the small w we typically think of as welfare. middle-class entitlement program. in them. >> host: larry elder that you are 26 years later.

we see a little less hair now. >> host: anything or disagree with what you said there? >> guest: i do not want people to get the wrong idea about welfare for this i was going to be poor people it's how we help them. we should help them in a way that does not make them dependent. there's a book a lot of people read by tocqueville called democracy in america but they also wrote one code memoirs on pauperism but he was able to travel around the world, found at this greatestea number of poppers were in england even england was the wealthiest state. found that england wasto the fit state have no questions at test welfare. he said i don't know help the formula at helping people without making them dependent between the base government does with no questions asked is not the route for the something people been struggling with for hundreds of years. it went currently reading larry elder is reading don't r this country by david rubin. rigged by mollie hemingway, and

inflation by steve forbes. all of which have been covered on book tv. david, thanks for holding st. petersburg, florida what is a question or comment. thirty-three oh my gosh i get to talk to the great larry elder. a good friend of mine, joe bell, went to michigan with you. he ended up being a cbs correspondent. his major was journalism. one time we were sitting there watching you on tv and he said you were the same as you were when he was in school in the 70s. he said this guy has never changed. you are very articulate. i respect your candor, your christianity. my question is, what you just said about welfare jfk said welfare was a hand up not a

handout. just different things in. i believe i and i want to know f you believe in this too, do you think it they did not talk about racism - so much, do you think e would be having this subject all the time? i think it is just so sad. it is common sense some the stuff they do up there is beyond crazy. how do you get by every day to dealing with that? >> host: alright david we got the point thank you sir. >> guest: morgan freeman said we ought not be successful at this so much. he said this years ago. and regarding the welfare, fdr the father of the new deal even said that welfare was a social narcotic. the idea is to get people to be independent and self-sufficient get them to be dependent. there is a poll done in the los angeles times i think was 1986.- people in poverty whereas julie

stwelfare programs are a steppig some toward independence or are they a crutch that creates dependency? 41% called it a crutch that created dependency, 30% of the other way at 20 years later their same questions were asked for their pretty equal. a large number of them are telling you thishi is taken away my initiative and caused me too be less self-sufficient. she went larry elder is there a secret cabal of conservatives in hollywood? and have you ever spoken with them? are you a member of them reset a rumor? switch others and organization the name of which i will not site of conservatives, at least not liberals in hollywood. it started out very small. now there literally hundreds of people we get together in time to time and talk. there are more people in hollywood that are conservative under the radar than you know. a lot of those you know quite well and people knew their politics they may not be as popular. that's how oppressive this atmosphere is.

my girlfriend of about 20 years is a recovering actress. she has a lot of people in the field. now she's an interior designer he does very well she has friends were actresses. one visited her from michigan and brought her daughter her daughter look like sophia loren this 13-year-old gorgeous,lo gorgeous girl is done a great deal of work the idea was you need to come to hollywood. they are in the room talking. i was doing something else. they're going to have meetings on the major agencies in hollywood. you have to be thought of that major agencies if you're going to make it. you get an agent the rest is easier. when i overheard the mother say that she is going to vote for donald trump d in 2016. and i got up and went the other room i sent it over her joy he

would trump supporter question which she said yes it. i said do not mention this tomorrow at your meeting and she said why? i said you don't know a thing but hollywood do you question what she said no. so this is one the most intolerant areas in the world. do not mention you supportle donald trump trust me. the next day she comes over the girl by the way was hired in the mother thanked me for the first tendencies agent center on the table completing each other's sentences and when s ob donald trump was but if you had noton told me what you did i might've said the wrong thing at the wrong time. when christopher las vegas t hoplease go to theater questir comment. >> chello larry. if they i am curious i've been following you for years. i was just wondering how come you have not been on any of the top american political shows for interviews?ha >> host: such as what christopher? >> roland trayvon martin? breakfast club, news shows?

i've been watching you i've been watching it on youtube but i cannot find one single interview you have done with a black american talk show host that is not conservative. i am just curious why? >> thank you sir. >> guest: i've had a debate with roland trayvon martin before the election. i've been a couple of time he's on tbs i also interviewed with him on his radio show he owns a radio stationpr in l.a., i was n that show. by and large i have got to be invited.ve i've invited jesse jackson to come on my radio show over 50 times in my 30 years won't do it. jesse watters won't do it. al sharpton won't do it. have a joint read invited me on her show? i think during the campaign she did. but the reason he couldn't do it i'd too many other things to do. i would happily let trayvon martin show all answers invite me. >> larry elder you spent 25 -- 30 years on radio were people

did not see her face necessarily. california.rnor inn what does your anonymity level these days? >> these days i can't go anywhere without somebody recognizing me, airports, hotels, no matter where i was at. as in des moines as you mentioned earlier yesterday and someone came up to me. came up to a counter gentleman's militancy people to the rights. mr. elder didn't miss anything adult to an truth i'm a huge bet huge fan. his foodwe came in as were times each a foot is going to get cold. he said forget about my food how often my going to get the chance to talk to larry elder? the couple next to me also knew who i was they did not want to be rude. we all took pictures. that is the level of fame right now. at that though, right before the election was over i was a scotia under a million

followers on twitter but since then i've lost about 30,000 followers on twitter even though my footprint is never been bigger but every day i lose about 100. my channel on youtube, my time channel about 575 followers dead stop. i have another one and it stops it. is no question conservative commentators are being shafted by facebook, by instagram and by twitter. and i am ann example of that. but your question is what is your level of anonymity question i do not have a level of anonymity anymore but everywhere i go some but he said something. often i've been asked about unpleasant people. what about people don't like you? what did they say? and my 30 years of being a public figure, 35 years i had maybe ten, 15 encounters with somebody this is something nasty or vicious print by and large you can sense people don't like you they give you that look. but most people won't come up a and sold to most were too polite to do that. and i can live without.

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