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committee referred to clarence thomas as an uncle tom. they scare people because we refuse the narrative. the narrative is they are systemically racist, electric people are depressed. they routinely pull that lever for the democratic party they characterize themselves wearing a white hat and the republicans over there with a black hat. >> host: i want to read a quote for march 31, 2022. this is from one of your columns. sorry i do not consider myself a victim of a systemically racist country. i do not believe cops engage in institutional racial profiling. i reject critical race theory in climate change alarmism. i believe taxes are too high regulations to surveyor and government too big. i support secure borders fan pro life and god fearing an advocate for school choice. >> that is it that's exactly it.

what, this is about the police engaging in systemic racism is not only wrong it's dangerous. there are many studies showing up anything the police are more hesitant more reluctant to pull the trigger on the black suspect in a white suspect because of this life police are pulling back, not doing stop question and frisk and as a result a bunch of bad guys are on the streets who otherwise would be behind bars. those guys are committing a crime killing people the people in the left supposedly care about. >> host: how my books have you written? >> depends wey mean by book. i have a couple collections of my columns part about half a dozen. my favoritemy book my most recet book is the one about my father the hardcovers called dear father, dear son that paperbacks a lot like me but it's the same book. she went tells about viola and? randolph. >> there my parents my mother was born on a farm in

huntsville, alabama. my father was born in the back of a house somewhere in adams georgia my father does not know who his father is. i'm from a large family very prosperous family. the farmers in the family so during the great depression my mother said we never felt it. we sold excess poultry and vegetables to our neighbors. so my mother and my father got married in chattanooga. might dan does not know his biological father is. i did not find that out plus 25 years old. that is why wrote the book. i dislike my father growing up intensely as did my two brothers. i've two brothers and my father was ill tempered in my opinion. spanked is too readily inton harshly in my opinion. and i did not understand why was so irritable all the time. and so unfortunate by dad starts a café when i'm ten years old and have to work with him. everyone could hear everything in serum think my dad would yell at me if he thought he did

something wrong. i'm 15 years old they have worked in for five years to next time this guy yells at me from going to take off the apron walkout. he yelled at me i did not have enough nerve to do it. the ultimate didn't have enough there did it finally 15 years old i had enough nerve to do that i took off the up and walked out. that day the waitress and called in sick. so my dad was there during rush hour with a restaurant full of people i'm talking 15 schools stools, senate room during rush hour. my dad had to handle by himself. so he comes home that night he's angry. although i did my deadlocks my betterment said why did you leave? for the first time i spoke back to my father said dad i d got sk and tired of the way you spoke to me and i'm not putting up with it. my father looked at me he paid me $10 a day plus tips he rolled up the $10 through them he walked on my bedroom. we did not have another conversation for ten years. my dad looked in the same little

house and he works long hours i avoided any kind of interaction with him. i try to high school go to college in new england. i go to moscow in the midwest to come home to visit my mom of course i would just make sure my dad never not in the same room for now i'm 25 years old. he passed the ohio bar, the california bar i'm at a big law firm making will be equivalent now of one or 50 km 25 years old. lii should be living large but i cannot sleep. and i know it has to do with my dad. up at ever that we be friends but i called my secretary living in cleveland, ohio. to cancel my appointments on point to l.a. i'll be back in two days. did not tell my parents i was coming i didn't want my dad to prepare for this. quick ten minute summit i thought we would have it. i get to lax, take a cab to the restaurant. note they closed at 2:30 and got there at 130. with pieces of lue and he says should i put my luggage there and said i want to

give you the highlights. i will call him and and unfair and that i will call him unfair and he will call me ungrateful. despite my best efforts, i spoke nonstop for about half an hour. i told him everett with income every slight, how embarrassing and i told them everything i possibly could and then i was done. my father just took it. and when i was dad my dad said is that it. you didn't speak to me for ten years because of that? let me tell you about my father. i knew nothing about my dad's life. i knew he was an only child. i knew nothing about this man. i didn't ask him about his life and for the first time i saw my

father cry. he said let me tell you about my father. i said what's your father's name, do you have any idea? elder is a man that was in my life three or four years. i was born in the back of the a house. he was physically abusive to me and my mother, he would be to me. my dad said then i came home when i was 13-years-old, elder was long gone and she sided with the boyfriend and threw me out of the house never to return. a black boy, athens georgia, eighth grade dropout at the beginning of the great depression during jim crow and for the next eight hours, peter, the man told me about his life and i said then what did you do, where did you go, what did you do? and he became one of the largest employers and traveled to california.

that's how we ended up in california. he could walk through the front door of a restaurant and be served and made a mental note. i said why did you join the marines and he said anybody out there in the marines knows what i'm going to say, they go where the action is. he was a staff sergeant in charge of cooking forin the soldiers. my dad goes to an unemployment office and says you went through the wrong door. he goes home to my mother and said this is nonsense. i'm going to la. goes to la, walks around and is told you don't have any

references. my dad said i need references to make ham and eggs and offered to work for two weeks for someone to give him a reference and they wouldn't do that. what time do you open, nayan, what time do you close, five. he came backhe the next day, sat there half a day, the lady calls him up and this is i've got something i don't know whether you're going to want it. my dad said of course i have a family. she said it's a job cleaning toilets. my dad did that for ten years thand through a hookup he found another janitor job. my dad worked two full-time jobs cleaning toilets, went to night school to get a ged, cooked for family on the weekends to make additional money and had three boys. that's why she was so cranky, he never slept. half-hour here, 15 minutes here, not just a day after day but year after year. you walk in a house of

rambunctious boys yelling and screaming, what kind of mood are you going to be in. so he's telling me this getting bigger and bigger and i'm getting smaller and smaller and i'm crying. at the end i said forgive me for judging you so harshly and he said don't worry about it. you were a kid, you didn't know but follow the advice i've always given you and your brothers, hard work wins. you get out of life what you put into it. you are not in control of the outcome but the effort before you moan and groan about what somebody did to you go to the local mirror and say what could i have done to change the outcome and he said no matter how hard you work, bad things will happen and it will tell your mother and be if we raised a man. at that point we were the best of friends and had a wonderful relationship and that is what the book is about. >> it's a tough book to read, it must have been tough to write. it was the easiest book i've

ever written, cathartic and as i was writing at my dad was alive. i would say what happened here, why did you do this and he would answer and essay why are you writing a book about my little wife and he i would say it was epic you just didn't know it. i was going through a yearbook and it stopped after one year and i asked my mother why and she got upset. she had one year of education. my mother told my brothers and me that the way up and out was through education and hard work. she corrected grammar. my mother and i met school we ata black tie affair and i remember driving one time and he said don't tell me where the

ball would have gone, tell me where it went and i corrected him.ng but getting back to my mom i remember this vividly we were at our old house, seven years or younger. she said someday you could be in this book if you wanted to do. i've always been interested in politics and politicians but never office. i ran for governor of california and got 150,000 individual donors and eight weeks i wasn't trying to be strategic. that's's when arnold schwarzenegger got in the race

and i didn't know if i wanted to do it. i was approached by a lot of people i admired and the guy that ultimately became the campaign chair and i asked people like ed and his limo service and they all wanted me to run so little by little i felt if not you, who and when and i felt i had a spiritual obligation to do it. i felt i could make a difference enin california, so in eight wes we raised $22 million on the replacement decided, the two-step deal. the first part gavin had to be replaced, had that happen whoever got the most votes would have become governor.

i got almost all but 45 combined of the 58 counties in california i carried 57. the only i lost was san francisco and i lost by 149 votes. we didn't spend one minute there. the reason i'm telling you all of that is because after i ran for governor, a lot of people thought and asked me to run for president and i'm now giving it some strong consideration. it isn't that i'm going to be able to displace donald trump but i've got some things to say and the major thing is the breakdown of the american family 7% of children in the world without a father married to the mother, 40% of all americans kids do. forgetma about elder, barack oba once said the kid and father would be poor and 20 times more likely to end up in jail, 25

outside of wedlock and 70% today. the welfare state has incentivized women to marry the government andad incentivize men to more responsibility. it's the biggest problem we face in america. 85% of black eighth graders cannot read or do math at proficiency levels. 85% are functionally illiterate because of the lack of parental supervision and values in the house. there's a direct line between that and crime. i want to talk about the connection between that and the welfare state and i don't feel they've done enough to address that. >> speaking of which, you wrote ten things you can to stay in america you were talking about thesee issues then and you mentioned the welfare state is

the tierney of the status quo. >> again it is by far the biggest problem we have in america. there's a book by a christian writer named james robison and itac talks about a prison chapln who wanted to improve the morale at a prison. can you give me 500 mother's day cards for free and he thought it would be a good marketing tool so he goes to prison and the morale date improves. he goes to the same company and asks for 500 father's day cards, not a single inmate, not one wanted to fill one out and ascended to his father. if you look at crime, breakdown of family there's a good direct correlation between the two. >> how did you do in your old

stomping grounds and you ran against the recall? >> i had my toughest time with hispanic media and the former micro senate majority leader across party lines supported me because the issues of school choice that i had assumed meeting with about eight or ten pastors everything was going okay until i said that the police were not engaging in systemic racism they are not perfect and there are bad cops and you deal with them on a case-by-case basis it isn't borne out by the members by the study and they went ballistic and i said the number one problem facing the community iss the breakdown of the family and they didn't agree with me. you are opinion shapers into telling me the number one problem is police brutality,

that isn't true and i am in la roughly 40% hispanic, 30% white, brown, the rest are asian americans. that is the representation of the policeas department. take baltimore. incomes the obama administration to investigate whether they are engaging in systemic racism this is the same department that about two months earlier the obama administration gave in a word for the 21st policing. the number one and number two people, the state attorneyle tht brought the charges.

two of them chose to have the case is tried before a black judge who found them not guilty. the united states attorney generaled at the time and i'm reminded of the joke wanda sykes once said how are you going to complain about the man when you are the man so it's ridiculous. every city has or has had a black mayor and police chiefs and superintendents at public schools. it's ridiculous. recently in philadelphia there's a place i'm sure you've heard about this it's an amusement park i've never heard about it until this incident happened. one of the characters is walking down high-fiving everybody but the black little girls. they were high-fiving white kids

and ignoring the black kids and it appears to be something systemic. i don't know. the video went viral, other people produced videos. jesse jackson writes a letter and accuses have, he requires they undergo training and put black people on the board of directors. a baltimore family that was there sued the place for $25 million. i'm looking at all this and i don't doubt maybe there's something going on here but to world war iii philadelphia is on track for more homicides in their history of the public school teachers in philadelphia, 44% were school-age kids and 6% of families nationwide. in baltimore the family suing for 25 million there were 13

public high schools in baltimore with a 0% of the kids can do math at grade level and another half a dozen only 1% so that's half the schools in baltimore where the kids or 0% efficient in math or 1% yet jesse jackson to my knowledge hasn't said a word about that but you let a muppet and is a 4-year-old girl whose parents determine how she reacts to that and he writes a letter demanding this that and the other. if there was a crime against leadership like al sharpton my opinion would be on the throw. >> at what point being raised in south central did you become a conservative or was it after you left? >> there was no moment. my dad was a lifelong republican. when you try to get something thfor nothing you almost always end up getting nothing for something. my mother was a lifelong democrat.

they would call in a civil way when we would get together for dinner my dad worked long hours and they would debate politics. my mother because she was better educated what in my opinion lead him but the older i got the more i realized my dad was just using common sense and i began sliding with my dad. so i was never a victim. i never felt that i was impressed or i couldn't do whatever i needed to do if i worked hard so i think when i took college economics and learned the downside of the minimum wage that opened me up a little bit. i began watching thomas soul. i was always somebody who believed in america and hard work that may be made me kind of unpopular with some of the kids. >> after the university of michigan law school how did you

get into the radio business? >> quite by accident. i left the law firm after 14 years. the only thing i wanted to do in my life was to be a writer but i also wanted to eat. i go to law school and when you graduate you might as well have a degree. i was very successful in my opinion. i had fond memories of my law firm. now it is a huge law firm and i began writing op-ed pieces for the newspaper when i started my firm i was able to do well enough and had the time to write op-ed pieces. didn't have a deal. in those days we had things like envelopes and stamps. i would write to something, send

it to the largest newspaper in cleveland and get a card saying thank you but no thank you. i must have had half a dozen. finally they published one and it's about 35 years ago where i said today in america racism is no longer a problem if you work hard and basically outlined my dad's philosophy. i get a phone call from the producer of a radio show and it didn't have my picture. it said your black? i am aware. they said i woulden like you to come on the show and talk about it. i said sure. i was on for a whole hour. now that i am in radio that is a long time to keep somebody on that's never been there. cleveland is about 50% black so most of the calls for black people. i was called uncle tom and oreo and coconut and the antichrist and all sorts of names it was the longest hours of my life. i remember going back to my

office and saying i will never do that again. the station called and said you were amazing. good speaking voice, you didn't lose your temper or sense of humor. have you thought about doing talk radio and i said no. i said i don't like yelling at people or being yelled at. he said are you married? at the time i was. he said to talk it over with your wife and call me tomorrow. i went home and mentioned it and she said what do you know about talk radio and i said nothing other than it seems shallow. she said it is, you would be good at it. i did and after 20 minutes i heard angels singing and i said i could give my opinion and make a living out of this and so i met some people and dennis had been on his show and the station manager whose name was george

green gave me a two day audition and said do you want this job. i said i think so. he said go out, have fun and don't speak so quickly. so i've been on radio ever since and doing tv. >> in 2009 the book stupid black men how to play the race card and lose came out. that book is now called what's race got to do with it. >> so many booksellers were offended by the title and it didn't carry it. i went to lax to see the book. the lady i said or do you carry stupid black men and she said no i was offended by the title. i said have you read the books? i wrote it and she didn't care. we found out a lot of people

reacted. michael moore hadreas a title cd stupid white. this book doesn't criticize black men it criticizes people for thinking like men are stupid and the message is don't let them think you are stupid and buy into the emotional pull. i thought i could get away with the title because he did but mine had such pushback we renamed it what does grace have to do with it for people like the asian-american bookseller to pick the d book. >> you wrote who put stuff like this in the mind of so many blacks. the sharpest liberals who prattle about the unfinished business of racism in america the other publicigures including some sports figures and entertainers all claiming t keep it real by stirring the pot andd keeping blacks angry, pessimistic, less productive and less willing to invest in themselves since they failed to see a hopeful future.

>> if i were to write that today i would put at the top of the list barack obama. i'm telling you i was in boston in 2004 when he lit up the arena. there is no blue s america or rd america there is no liberal, it was a great speech well delivered if i said to my producer thiss man is going to runn for president someday. i was surprised it happened so quickly. the first time i saw him interviewed on 60 minutes, he wasn't the front runner yet on the primary side but he was gaining otherwise it wouldn't have. the correspondence said senator obama, if you don't when, will it be because of race and i was at home and i leaned back and said let's see what this man says. if you're going to give an answer the way al sharpton does or is he going to say the truth and what he said was no.

if i don't when it's because they didn't articulate the vision the american people can embrace. i couldn't vote for a tax spend healthcare democrats but at least he will bring us together racially and stop the nonsense. he talked about how much racism there was in the said referring to the generation of martin luther king most say 90% of the way there. my generation has to get an additional 10%. there was a fox opinion poll 8% of americans believed the light and some believe he sent a letter 8% of the people have to be kind of written off. he gets into office, walks into the oval office in january 2009

and is at 70% approval because so many people in my opinion said i didn't vote for him but at least he will bring us together racially and stop the nonsense for the next 18 years t yearsye he did the opposite. there's a place called ferguson, america he embraced the black lives matter movement and invited al sharpton to the white house over 80 times. he did the opposite of what most people thought he was going to dowh which is why when he left even though most thought race relations would improve, blacks and whites deteriorated under barack obama because of that ridiculous rhetoric and in the second term there were two police officers murdered execution style in new york, three killed execution style in baton rouge and five in dallas byen three different black men l of whom motivated by this by the police were engaging in systemic

racism the flames of which obama fanned with eric holder. they did inam incalculable damae in my opinion. when someone raised by a single mom, phd, harvard for law school,ke columbia for undergraduate, president of the united states and still whining about racism then i guess it must be true. eric holder making between five to $10 million a year, race card he gave a speech where he talked about pernicious racism. they took it away from him and eric holder gave a speech and said blatant racism, we've got that covered. it's the pernicious racism that we have to deal with and i read

theec speech may be a hundred times. 6-3 with the opinion by john paul stevens that estates were passing photo variety. majority the second example he gave is the fact that they would get a longer sentence and he quoted the source and that's true. what he didn't say the reason for this is the average black criminal had more convictions which judges take into consideration. the third thing he said is that boys are kicked out of school

more often than white boys. also true. he sued the illinois school district years ago when they kicked out a bunch of kids who were fighting after the football game. it turns out they missed like 400 s days out. all white school board. the school board points out in their lawsuit no matter the race of the principal, the race of the school board. this is eric holder the attorney general giving three examples of pernicious racism and that's all you've got and they are all wrong. it's never been a most important factor. we deal with them on a case-by-case basis. however you feel about what derek chauvin did, there is zero evidence they did because he was black.

let's deal with these on a case-by-case basis and this is oneca of the reasons a lot of young black men are not complying. i'm told that by eric holder and barack obama and so-called black leaders. why wouldn't i listen to that? my father told my brothers and me if you or stop to say yes sir,ye no sir, yes ma'am, no ma'am. make sure your left hand is at 10:00, your right hand is at 2:00 and your paperwork is in order and if you are mistreated get a badge number and we will deal with it later on. a lot of black kids don't have somebody hearing that but they hear obama talking about systemic racism and eric holder so why wouldn't i believe it. it's making things worse and obama did a great love damage. i tried to reach out to him and have a conversation with him. there'se a magazine they talk

about a pole in a magazine and people were self described as very liberal asked in 2019 how many unarmed black men did the police kill and half of the liberal people said 1,000. 8% said 10,000. what about regularut liberals? 39%. 5% thought they killed 10,000. the answer according to the "washington post" database is 12. now if t you were that wronghead about what the police are doing of course you will have the fear of them. why would you want to listen to them. the left has allowed people to feel this because they want their vote. unless you lied to them about race relations you have a lot of black people feeling things are much worse than they in fact are and as a result they are not working as hard as they should. look at the poll of who does

homework at night. blacks, hispanics, whites and asians and if you don't do your .homework at night, how in the world do you expect to come out and do well in the marketplace? there's a relationship between how hard you work and with the results are going to be an all too often we are told the reason you are not where you want to be is because somebody held you back, nonsense. my father has every reason to be angry at the world and they couldn't, possibly hold you back so knock it off, take advantage of your situation, pick up your picards no matter where they are and play them to the best of your ability and you can be successfult. they both say you need to do the same handful of things to get to the. middle class. number one, finish high school.

ideally don't have a kid until you're 20, number three, get married first and number four,r, get a job, keep a job and if the minimum wage job you will get a raise in six months and avoid the criminal justice system. you do those things you will not be poor if you don't follow the formula there is a good chance that you will be. >> good afternoon and welcome to booktv in depth, interview and call in program. we invite an author and to talk about his or her body of work. this month at his offer, talk show host larry elder. here's a list of his books. beginning in 2000, ten things you can't say in america came out followed by showdown, hunting bias, lies into the special-interest that divide america. what's race got to do with it came out in 2009.

originally published as stupid black men. the double standards a collection of essays came out in 2017 and the book we discussed a little bit, a lot like me a offather and son's journey to reconciliation was his most recent in 2018. this is your chance to participate, ask questions about his book et cetera. (202)748-8200 in the east of central time since (202)748-8201 for those in the eastern mountain and pacific and if you want to send a text message please include your first name and your city. you t can send that to (202)748-8903. plus we have some social media sites. just remember@booktv is the address for the social media sites in case you want to post a comment or question. and earlier today, mr. elder i

pulled up a tweet and this is from a gentleman named cory stewart and he asks asking real questions like why does he belong to a party that openly courts white nationalist organizations that would like him did? >> nonsense. >> donald trump used a dog whistle to get this thinking. there were 700 counties that hood voted for obama in 2008 and 2012. 200 of them switched in 2016 where they didn't buy some sort and realized that they were racist. the city that most voted formp donald trump in 2016 over 100,000 was heavily in texas. guess what town voted for the black mayor, abilene texas.

it's absolute nonsense. the idea that white people dislike black people to the point where they would play racist in the white house, there's a talkshow host on msnbc, chris matthews, he wrote a book where he talked about political campaigns. sharp book. he said most white people would never vote for somebody they thought were racist. this is chris wallace. he used to be the press secretary for tip o'neill, longtime democrat, chris matthews, democratic speaker of the house. a very astute observer of politics. most would never vote for somebody they thought was racist. it's nonsense. why would a donald trump want to be known as a bigot, and this

guy for four years. he pardoned jack johnson the first heavyweight champion 15 year effort led by ken burns the documentarian and sylvester stallone. obama and george w. bush didn't pardon him but trump did. he put funding for the black colleges on a ten year basis and did something called the first step act to allow by the time he ended his term about 5,000 mostly black men had been reconsidered and reduced. he pushed enterprise zones to improve the black economy and supported school choice and he secured theed borders in the bet way that it's been done in

decades. the person that had done the work more than anyone else in the country is the economist with harvard. the big winners are employers that hire people with less money. they can push them around because they fear being supported. unskilled in the inner city because the illegal aliens in high school or less h and these are the people they compete against and one of my friends said that there's a million jobs that would be otherwise held by black people because the presence of illegal aliens and they put about $2,000 worth of pressure on the wages every single year. well will donald trump stop that and as a result of the prospect for black and brown people education improved. if he's a racist he needs to go back to school. >> from the la times

september 4th, 2021 the election of donald trump 2016 in my opinion was divine intervention. it was a miracle and almost a godsend. >> who's all that coming. all these experts including me iwhen i first heard he might r. he would get in for a few weeks and the media would slaughter him and he would pack up and go back to trump tower. i was shocked at how well he did and the way that he got people to start thinking long and hard about fake news. he secured the borders by talking about the wall when it was considered to be racist. now even joe biden is completing the wall in arizona. i think what he did is to shake the republican party up and get them to start standing up for their values. i am a huge fan of donald trump and i campaigned with him and

for him. we are campaigning together at the church and i said to him one thing you need to apologize for. he does not like to apologize and he said i know what you're going to say what i said about john mccain. i said not at all you said george w. bush lied us into the iraq war. he did not. thereco was a commission and its true the intel was wrong. he said he lied us into the iraq war. democrats to this day believe there's a strong possibility that he did. it's become an article of faith.

he was stealing from the program and we know he had chemical weapons because he used them. he never said it again and i learned he was able to apologize. maybe he did it but i haven't heard him say it. let's go back to 2021 again and here is the current president. >> you know the last year i got to run against the real donald trump. this year the closest thing to a trump clone that i've ever seen in the state. he is leading the other team.

can you imagine him being governor of this state? >> no. you can't let that happen. >> i think he was referring to you. >> i would rather be called the clone of donald trump in the face of white supremacy. another said my views were white supremacist. that's how they won the election. barack obama cut a commercial for gavin newsom, bernie sanders did, harris made comments, nancy pelosi.

gavin is doing a great jobgr wih schools ranked near the bottom even though we are spending more than before. he did a great job attracting people to california when for the first timein in history peoe are leaving california and taking their tax dollars with them. i can't think of anything he's done right and nobody tried. don't let republicans take over because republicans are unpopular in california outnumbered 3-1 and if that is how they succeeded but he wouldn't debate me and i would ask reporters talk to them let's debate the issues and they never did and he never did. when i got into the race they went into the margin of error and he was scared and called out the dogs. all this money came in from the unions, from hollywood into snoop dogg even came out against

me and turned the thing around but for one shining moment they were scared to death which is why so much came out. >> it's funny we were talking and you haveow some slight problems coming out. you said you ended up going through des moines which is kind of funny but you said you're going back there. >> i'm going back for the state fair which is a rite of passage if you think about running for higher office and i'm giving it some thought. a lot of people as i said have asked me to consider it and this may sound self-serving i would rather not do it but for the issues i want to talk about, the breakdown ofho families, the connection between the breakdown of family and crime and thean importance of securing the borders i'm not sure there are varying many people that can speak about these things as persuasively and passionately as i can i'm going to do what god

wants me to do. i feel that i have a patriotic and spiritual obligation to do help the country. play them to the best of your ability and you will be just fine in america and get back to values, right and wrong. i've been there a couple of times. i was there for the premier of 2,000 you will where they talked about all these people going with stacks of mail-in ballots. don't think that they were legitimate to influence in places like cleveland,

philadelphia, atlanta, detroit. i was there for that and another event. >> have you expressed this viewpoint about running? >> i've not expressed it but i'm not afraid to and frankly i feel that the likelihood that obama will be the nominee -- i'm lisorry, trump getting the nomination is quite high and i'm finemp with that. i would vote forad him again. i have some things i want to say. i have my own lane and i'm not going to c say anything critica. when i ran for governor there were about a half a dozen major republicans on the side. i didn't say a negative thing about a single one of them although i became the front runner right away i didn't want to get into a firing squad.

his own kid was enjoying personal education and there's a whole another year we all knew what the issues were but i budidn't say and negative think about them but they didn't adhere to the same principle. one in particular was thees favorite of the republican establishment. the gop did not endorse me. they wanted kevin faulkner and kevin mccarthy wanted him. the other one he's running in the sacramento area. i galvanized the base and the one they wanted was kevin

faulkner. i'm not out there to trash donald trump. i thought he got a wrong the way nbc, abc and cbs quoted the center 90% of the stories were negative even though inflation was low and the economy was great got us out of the climate e change deal and i thought bute did great things. the investigation turned out to be empty. he was incredibly mistreated so i'm not going to say anything negative about him. i have some things i want to talk about most notably the breakdown of the family. >> what about the election deniers and january 6th? >> let me give you a long answer about that. here'she what i find irritating about this whole business. there've been numerous deniers

on the democratic side. hillary for four years referred to donald trump as illegitimate said that it was stolen to where 57% of democrats believed they changed vote tallies. there waso a 1,000 page senate report looking into the election of 2016 and zero evidence that a single tally was changed. the secretary of homeland security testified under oath, 67% believe the russians changed vote tallies toes elect donald trump and jay johnson also testified under oath and said we don't know whether or not. there would have to be no appearance and then we would compare the two but we don't know. 70% of democrats believe the interference altereded the outce in favor of donald trump so a

greater percentage believed it was stolen. the chair of the house january 6 committee in 2005 joined with 85 democrats to refuse to seat because of the allegation that the machines had been tampered with. here he is denying and al gore still to this day believes it was stolen and barbara boxer as did maxine waters. he is undermining the integrity if they do it it's not a problem and stacey abrams still says it was stolen from her no evidence whatsoever. when terry ran for governor referred to her as a legitimate governor of georgia and jimmy

carter for crying out loud publicly said he believed the russians put trump in the white house in 2016. never shut down even though she pushed the lie about 2016. i mentioned the hunter biden story incredibly unfair 60% of the voters say had they known about the story they wouldn't have voted for biden. trump winds, not a problem. donald trump filed a lawsuit on the procedural grounds and the

supreme court didn't take up the case leaving the appellate ruling 2-1. a judge filed the dissent and said what the secretary did was illegal. it means the lawsuit wasn't ridiculous. all sorts of rules and regulations were broken including mail-in ballots after the deadline. adonald trump followed the lawsuit. the left-wing professors. they thought there was merit and thought it would be taken up into donald trump would win. but it does show you there was something there. at the wisconsin supreme court voted 4-3 but the chief justice filed a dissent. since then the supreme court in wisconsin ruled going forward there was merit all he did is

hire lawyers like john eastland a friend of mine and rudy giuliani to make gloria arguments. there's nothing wrong with hiring a lawyer so this business about donald trump orchestrating an insurrection is unfair and on that day he said i want you to go in patriotically and peacefully make your voices heard. they keep talking about he said. fight and take back the country. people say that kind of stuff all the time and on that day i interviewed the chief of staff of the acting secretary defense. i was in the room when he authorized the use of the national guardsmen and women in the event thatt they are necessary. it's not my job to deploy them. he has to have been requested and that is a job of nancy

pelosi end of the capitol hill police and they didn't request the use of these troops but who authorizes the availability of the national guards orchestrating an insurrection it doesn't make sense and i would bet my house that he's not going to invite to donald trump and if he does my cousin could get an acquittal. >> let's take some calls for the guest. please go ahead with your question or comment. >> first of all, thank you so much for taking the opportunity to discuss these very topics. i've got to tell you a few things. i grew up in private school with blacks, puerto ricans, graduated and i've always believed my grandfather once told me he said

life is about choices and opportunity. when i was 15-years-old i was on a team program that later propelled me into doing some work in radio about hospital in college and real estate. i could go on and on like you. i've listened i will ask my question then you can give your comment. the only thing i think he did wrong when he came down the tower it's like diarrhea of the mouth. if he cleaned up some of what he said, and i voted for him, but i want to know your comments on opportunities and why is it do you think so many people don't want to do that? >> thank you for that. i think a lot of people are afraid of freedom it means if you don't get what you want.

if you've achieved where you want to go it's on you. look in the y mirror and that scares a lot of people. regarding choices, i am on a sailboat in lake erie i am on there with a bunch of other people h and one guy who happens to be white about 25 or 30-years-old is complaining about his job, hates his job and i have to listen for 20 minutes or so. what are you going to do about it are you going to sit the rest of your life and complain about your job or do something about it and i forgot about the conversation. twenty years later i get a call and itte says you might not remember. he started his own business and has ten or 15 people working for him, he's never been happier and he said had you not to slapped me in the face and told me to take responsibility, who knows what i would have done so we all need a push.

it's all about as you said opportunity. the promise of gain and fear of loss motivates most people and doing nothing and procrastinating is quite easy for people to do. it's up to us to pick up our cards and play them to the best of our ability. >> janet casper wyoming. >> good afternoon. been enjoying the show today. just wanted to ask i had kind of given up on california and left. i wondered if you are interested in running again seeing that you did so well. youd didn't win but you made a big impact. >> before we give that answer, when did you move and why? >> i was born in tahoe but lived in sacramento and lived there my

entire life until 2020 when i got in opportunity to move and so it's a beautiful state, met my wife there, a lot of great things but tired of the taxes and the people raising the taxes on themselves so i needed to move somewhere i could find a little more agreement on things. >> 2003 as i mentioned there was the recall of a democratic governor who became. since then until now there is ts about 5% more registered democrats, 50% more independence, 33% fewer registered republicans and still i ended up getting 49% of the replacementt about but that's

just daunting. when the race was over a lot of the major rivals grumbled that had he done this or not this he would have one. i said let's find out how many of these people run. if they know what he should have done i'm sure they will jump in and run against him. notga a single one did. the person who one the primary he got 1.1 million votes and i got 3.5. so the math is daunting in california and i can understand why people are giving up. there's a magazine that's been around about 17 years they ask what is the best state to do business and the worst and

whether there is a family friendly atmosphere. elon musk left, dave rubin left. a lot of people are leaving and taking thest taxes with them. this year elon musk will pay about $2.5 million in taxes and california so you're losing all that money not just one year but every single year hee is in business so sooner or later the state will hit rock bottom and then the democratsts will think their hostility towards republicans and until this happens it will be daunting so i decided not to do it again. >> have you considered leaving? >> i h have not. the secret is if you bought a house in the 80s you've got a lot of money in equity and i've

bought houses my first was 1986. i've got a lot of equity in my house because i was born and raised her. my pastor is there and i don't want them to chase me out of the state. i would like to state and fight to take it back and if i can't do it there may be i can do it at the national level. >> what is the reaction in hollywood since running for governor et cetera? >> hollywood is an interesting area with the contributions for politics 90% go to the democrats. when it was pretty clear that i was a serious threat there's an article in the hollywood reporter aboutn how he called t hollywood to unitete against me. however, the underlining people in hollywood they come up to me and say i can't let anybody know how conservative i am but i voted for you.

i was at my house one time and got a knock at the door. we are going to do a movie next door and need your property for catering deals. it was with annette benning and banderas. the head of the service comes over to me and we start having a conversation no one could possibly hear. six months later he calls my show •-ellipsis do you remember me i came to your house i said yeah. he said i haven't workedha since then. they found out that i knew you and i liked you. i haven't worked since then. i can give story after story like that. there was a judge show the guy that designed my set, beautiful set he was so crafty and gifted the rnc asked him to design

their set for the convention that year and he did, told me he didn't work for two years. he said i'm left-wing, a democrat s but because i workedn dataset they thought i was republican and when i said i wasn't they felt i somehow committed a sin by working for the rnc. that is how intolerant the community of hollywood is. >> i've been waiting to talk to you. i live here in alexandria louisiana. i don't know if you remember a guy namedia louis armstrong. he said this is the racist city he's ever been and he was never coming back to alexandria so he never performed again. that shows you how racist it can

be. i'm 61-years-old. they hadwi riots with the cubans and i came in right after that ride. i was told i wasn't going to tolerate that stuff so eventually they said i threatened to cool the warden and they got rid of me. you're right if you go to jail you can't do anything and so i've been trying to clear my name but i want to salute you. when you told the story about your father being a tough marine that send chills through my bones. i wasbo a military police officr also. >> thank you for calling in.

he walks up to me and says i am really angry at myself.

i had no idea 70% were born out of wedlock or the dropout. i had no idea 25% have criminal records. i had no idea what percentage of abortion was being performed and no idea about the level of educational achievement. i thought i was well-informed. now i'm going to start opening my mind and reading more of your material. thank you for shaking me up and waking me up. i've always felt the war on drugs should be felt as a policy issue not a criminal justice issue. it's okay for somebody to have a martini or two or three or four but you have a joint and it's a crime.

do you have a website uncle tom.com when you look at these pictures, you get a sense of what black life was like throughout history black folks were honorable. they had integrity. we were never taught that america was bad. protesters topple.

these names have to go. >> why is that? >> whenever you have something to be proud of, people have less of a chance of controlling you. >> unless of course they grow up in this country. >> the reason it exists is

power. ♪♪ that is the trailer to the sql. it cost roughly $500,000 to make. the rule of thumb if you can do three times the cost, uncle tom did almost ten times its cost. i executive produced it and jackson helped to write it as did i and it's all about the way the left, socialism,ts

collectivism created the quest for equal rights into equal results. they were trained marxist. the reason for the movement or e all these pastors who believed in values and family. we've replaced god and family with government and that is what uncle tom wanted. watch it for free and you can preorder august 206th. i am enormously proud of that work and for all the people out there just go on imdb. it's almost as if i wrote them myself. i didn't know this about the naacp or mlk if there's a city

with 30% blocks, the percentage of executives should be 30% so country is 13% and it should be as opposed to 85%, ridiculous. at the first one somebody said is a love letter to america. the second movie the dear john letter manipulating people for power the reason you were able to get 95% one way and not talk about crime or education or work opportunitieswa is because of te lie and the cause for social justice whatever that means and uncle tom wanted to undo that te damage. >> let's go back to calls.

i don't know. that's why i'm asking your guest. i'm confused about that issue. >> that is a good question. i'm not sure a either. i know the proponents of it in my opinion are trying to tell people that they are oppressors and virtually a everything in america that you find if you are not happy with can be explained. unequal outcomes can be flamed because of race and racism when 1940 or below the federally defined level of poverty. twenty years later 47% did. that's the greatest expansion in history before the civil rights movement and active 74. strong families and belief in

god.d. >> and what is it today do you know offhand? >> about 20%. it's always been about twice as high. after 65 or so it began leveling out and it's been that way ever since. if the government stayed out of it we would have much lower poverty right now. >> thank you for taking my call. it's fascinating listening to you. i'm from an area in the national forest essentially that many of the people i know are areas of deep poverty i would estimate the lower ten or 15% of the

populace. it's a very poor area and i don't think anybody cares about these people. you talk about i'm not sure it has anything to do with party about as conservative a place but i don't really think that republicans care about the people of the lower and they are more worried about making sure we have credits and things like this and solar panels on houses. i know some people that have no housing and a lot of people i would call substandard housing. >> we will get an answer to that in just a second.

onn the business if you don't care about the results on the antipoverty programs he's not wrong since the mid-60s we spent 22 trillion on antipoverty programs. but on the caring part there's a book called who really cares and i think you interviewed him and heee at the time was a public policy student at syracuse and found out nobody had ever done an academic study conservatives or liberals. he was shocked and found out that it wasn't even close.

there were fewer of them and a second they believe they should be helped one-on-one through organizations and not government. so it's t interesting one is liberals are more generous than e conservatives and it turns out thera opposite it's not even cle but this is a narrative that's been pushed by the left and a lot of people believe if the government got out of the will of her business and allowed them i think we would be in a better place right now. >> a quote from you in 2001 from showdown the republican party professes to support limited government while expanding at least the democratic party makes no pretense of adhering to the

founding fathers version and to trust the people. >> that's why i support the convention of states so there should be the constitution for the government expansion with a limit of the gdp and for war and natural disaster ronald reagan came in 1980 and campaigned with a promise to, shut down. when he left the department it was bigger than it was before under george w. bush we expand that because you need healthcare for kids so under both parties even during donald trump's campaign in 2016 he said we need to replace obamacare with something better so one government program is better thant another. the way to replace obamacare is with free markets. more competition to improve the

quality and make it more accessible which inherently is inefficient and why and my opinion it isn't as good as it could be. next call comes from demetrius in los angeles pleasure to speak with you you arere a breath of fresh air and my quick question is this the topic of the next book. a lot of people have asked me to write about my mother. i called her the chief justice. i asked my dad when i first got on the radio he's a man of few words but when he speaks they

count. i coached him to come on and finally he agreed because i leaned on him. my dad has a whole theory white people, black people, men and women and he says the person who tips the best are white men especially if they are overweight. he had a whole thing and he was almost always right. so i said who is better tippers, blacks or whites. it was the longest 15 minutes of my life. duringng commercial break he sad i don't want to offend people. i said mom, will you do this and

she said you should have asked me in the first place and a star was born. wouldn't change the party because itag was emotional but e felt the democrats had gone off the reservation and she could no longer support them. >> wended a viola and randolph past? >> my mom about ten years ago and my dad about 15 years. we assumed my dad would die before my mom but it was the opposite. it must've been ten years before they died i was at the kitchen table. >> this picture that we were showing right now. they were married 54 years and my mom looked at my dad what was

he wearing and she looked at him, what was mom wearing. [laughter] >> my brother died in 2019. he was my best friend and he was at his computer at 5:00 in the morning, had a heart attack and died two weeks before his 70th birthday and he planned to go to hawaii for his 70th birthday and he died. their youngest son was found face dead in his apartment and had a heart attack. i believed it was from grief from the death of his father.

a support group she goes regularly and is in nursing and works really hard. i adore her but what a one-two punch. >> my question would be please correct me if i'm right or wrong prior to the election i started receiving mail for three japanese people. i started receiving phone calls, text messages. outhey called my name dog. my name is not dog and what happened i found out the young man in los angeles.

i came to find out gavin hired approximately 20,000 valid harvesters to collect ballots, so that i looked a little further and i called my county board of supervisors and what i found out is the entire election for the entire united states was based upon the 2010 census. the three japanese people i'm talking about, they are all dead. we found out they are dead. >> let's seer. what mr. elder hs to say about those. >> there were lots of allegations made because as i said when i got to the race all of a sudden it went to the margin of error. a lot of people felt that was an anomaly. i've never said that it was stolen. i never made that argument but i do say this.

we need to get back to voting on the day of the election and the only people that should be voting in my opinion are tydisabled. if we want to get back, we need to do that. one of the republicans on the january 6 committee recently said if half the electorate believes it is stolen we can't have a democracy in 2020. well as i said earlier at least that many democrats believe that about 2016. the way to get back is to make sure you have the notoriety and show up and vote in person the way you did when i was a kid. that's the only way in my opinion to make the election get people to have the confidence they need if somebody picks up

your book or showdown or what does grace have to do with it, is there anything you've written that you're like i wish i hadn't written that or i disagree with that today? >> i can't think of anything. i am pretty happy with it. iap think i would have emphasizd the importance of the borders more in all levels the government took less than 10%.

i get a phone call from a fact checker. is there a source or assertion the government takes almost half with the american people can produce? they wrote a piece. elder right in the center. if the government at all three levels took less than 10%, he's right they take about 32% but it's almost half because that is subjective. if anything it's understated.

he complained about this when he left the senate they start to the bed and breakfast ended went bust. they said how difficult it was to run a business. he was forced to put the security system at the bed and breakfast but wanted him tori pt one on that was more expensive than the one he thought he needed so does that add value to the business or you cross the part that would have happened versus the part he had to pay so there are some subjective things

involved. i contacted the two fact checkers and to their credit they did. how come i didn't get two thirds right, so no there's not very much we would grant having. i am on epic tv.com its own cable on ntd and we also put excerpts on youtube. i'm urging all people to go and subscribe about nine dollars a month but there's a lot of programming. it's powerful for those that have been watching the january 6 committee hearings this is another perspective and point of view. i y stopped doing the show as of

may i was on for almost 30 years but i am enjoying my tv show and i have a pack called elder for america to take back the senate and campaign for school choice and support initiatives and strong families but i need a little more flexibility to do thatat so i am having a good tie and busier than ever before. uncle tom to comes out. i have a documentary i'm working on called ten biggest liberal lies and have a book about the gubernatorial campaign. >> berry in tampa good afternoon. you're on with larry elder. >> they had me waiting so long and there were so many segments give me a minute.

i live down south, i'm atheist and not republican or democrat. i believe there's a lot of uninformed voters and citizens in the united states i don't prescribe to one particular party. i really don't like labels or progressives because i find that you can be all these things. at the uncle tom, and they make about you you say you always need somebody on the inside so don't worry about the uncle tom thing. .people have a problem with educated black men and know how to articulate and communicate. ..

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>> . >> this is the wealthiest country in the realmlm the reason why we should have this kind of problem that most have no problems they are alcoholics or addicted to drugs and that is a spiritual problem talking about a plan he had and the trump administration had a second term this was a ready to go it was on federal land it in the

same regulations and rules for motherland building low-cost housing and said the mayor was on board from l.a. even governor newsom and to treat people first and on federal property on these houses that would be built then be willingly relocated to these areas where federal property is. it has gotten worse and worse. and lieutenant governor for eight years and complained he had nothing to do.

it is a spiritual problem not a housing first problem it's a direct relationship from the breakdown of the family and those who are homeless. and then building low-cost housing. >> roger go ahead. >>caller: i thank you are outstanding have a couple of comments to me and i will ask a question here is one of the comments. chuck schumer on may 7th gave the impassioned plea before congress commemorating the beating of john lewis coming of the edmund pettis bridge. but they always conveniently forget to mention the fact

that he was beaten by democrats. the second thing, i have a daughter. she doesn't understandhe the history. and in 1969 the democrats boston greeted the children on —- the children on the buses with perks. and the last thing i will say i'm trying to be brief but in 1854 henry david thoreau wrote in message in massachusetts and in the essay he said he admonished the democrats because they were the slaveholders and admonish the press because it was sympathetic to the democratic

cause and that the press a few exceptions is correct on —- correct that was 168 years ago. i know you are doing your best but how do you communicate the history of what has happened to the black community? >> that is why i did uncle tom and uncle tom to. if youou watch both documentary you have the full course of history and you are right democrats were the party of slavery. there were no republicanhe slaveowners. but then they found republican slaveowners of the 400,000 in 1860 census maybe six or eight were republicans. even they started out as

democrats. republican party was the party of j jim crow. i did not the democratic party by democrats founded the kkk and all the politicians that stood in the school doors like wallace the role democrats born and raised and i democrats now all of a sudden in the sixties they switch sides. if you look all the people that voted against the civil rights act how many switch and became republicans?em to strom thurmond notably. the republican party is individual responsibility and family and god i'm urging all those to look at the party and what they've done with welfare

and then to replaces god in family different kind of slavery is being pushed by democrats versus what they use to push. >> >>caller: why did the republicans tree hillary clinton so bad during then ghazid on —- and then ghazi? what about biden signed? on —- son and and with that conviction? >> you have a comment. [laughter] >> i have no comment. >> arizona you are on the year. >>caller: i have a little bit of a history i try to be a

communist in high school but then i was asked at 16 to join the communist party and the black panthers. i don't know what that meant but i was asked to join the ira and the kkk they are all democrats i was almost beaten by gang members because my partner was a black guy. was almost be in today by a cane. going to the first black family in compton an irish cop. people don't understand the history of california and what happened with democrats with republicans and of course i was in the business firearms. the whole idea that they were against blacks and everybody is equal under god so

everybody should be under the second amendment equal. host: that is thing you write about. >> the worst decision ever was dred scott and they talk about that is anything other than chattel then who does what they would do to former slaveowners. the evolution from being a communist is not uncommon. >> to change it all began working for the department of labor that was tasked with the study and milton friedman said minimum wage is the most anti- black law on the statute books. and then presented the evidence and found out they did not care that got him thinking about his ideology.

and used to be system for black panthers and then what was happening and then do a complete 180 as an activist with a think tank. >> we asked every after what they are currently reading and here is what he told us. the fountainhead by ayn rand. of humanof bondage and higher vanities. freedom toie choose and every book by thomas soul. [laughter] >> i met him because of you. spc-span i was on c-span 25 north 30 years ago.

c-span team and to broadcast my show live and i was on for four hours. i get a letter from thomas soul. january my wife and i watch the entire four hours you are magnificent. you explain free market principal in a clear precise way. you talk about the importance of education, family a fan. and then he invited me to spend the weekend with him in the bay area we've been good friends ever since then i was invited to his 80th birthday. host: we will show some of that 1996 video that he saw when we playedd it live on c-span. >> the larry elder contractors america. number one passive 15 percent flat tax. no deductions.

that makes tax lawyers and lobbyists and an endangered species tax. number two reduce government by approximately 80 percent. less than 2 percent of americans are farmers but yes the department of agriculture still as more bureaucrats. what exactly does the sba do anyway other than loan money to do fall in far greater numbers than what the private sector would've tolerated? number three in welfare and i am talking about the welfare with a small w and a big w the small w's what we typically think of but it is the democraticgr entitlement progra. >> do you are 26 years later. >> a little less hair now. host: anything you disagree

with. >> but the question is how we help them but that doesn't make them dependent but the book a lot of people read called democracy in america there is also with memoirs and popular is him he could travel around' the world find out the greatest number went to find out england was the first state and then to create more dependency. but doing it the way government does it no questions asked that that's the way people have been going for hundreds of years. host:ar elder is reading don't burden the country. rained and inflation by steve

forbes. st. petersburg florida please go ahead. >>caller: oh my gosh. i can talk to talk to the great larry elder. he ended up being a correspondent with cbs one time we were sitting there watching on tv so to say that you are the same as you were from the seventies and said this guy has never changed you are very articulate. i respect your candor and your christianity. my question like what you just said about welfare, jfk said it was a hand up not a

handout. and i just wanto to know if you believe this do you believe if they do not talk about racism so much we would have the subject all the time? i think it is so sad that it is common sense some of the stuff that they do is beyond crazy. get by every day dealing with that? >> morgan freeman said we should not obsessed with this so much regarding the welfare for of the new deal said it was ath social narcotic the idea to getd people to be independent and there was a pool done in the l.a. times people in poverty were asked to believe welfare programs are a steppingstone toward

independence or are they a crutch that creates dependency 41 percent said it was a crutch and then 20 years later the same question was asked in the numbers are equal these are people on welfare telling you that is taking away my initiative and causing me to be less self-sufficient. host: is there a secret cabal of conservatives in hollywood? >> there is an organization the namen, of which i will not cite of conservatives and it started out very small and we get together from time to time and talk there are more people in hollywood who are conservative under the radarha than you know and a lot of then you know quite well and if people knewhe their politics they may not be as popular. >> that is how oppressive the i.

mymy girlfriend at the time is a recovering actress she knows a lot of the people she is an interior designer. she does very well she has friends who are actresses. one brought her daughter who look like sophia n-letter. thirteen years old has done a great deal of print work in michigan but you need to come to hollywood. so they are in the room talking and i'm going to have a room one —- i would have a meeting with one of the major agencies as the hardest part to get an agent the rest of it isis easier. i overheard the mother say she would vote for donald trump in 2016.

i said are you a trump supporter and she said yes. i said you not mention this tomorrow at your meeting. you don't know about hollywood. this is one of the most intolerant areas in the world do not mention you support donald trump. trust me. the next day she comes over the girl was hired and she's thinking for the first ten tminutes the agents sat around completing each other sentence if you w hadn't told me i would say the wrong thing at the wrong time and they would not have hired her. host: christopher las vegas. >>caller: hello larry. i am just curious. i have been following you for years and what have you been on any other top black american interviews? breakfast club?

roland martin? i have been watching you on youtube but i can't find one single interview with the black american talk show host that's not conservative. why? >> i i had debate with roland martin before the election. i have been on toughest :-) a couple ofnt times on pbs and he owns a radio station in l.a. but byl. and large i have to be invited i have invited jesse jackson over 50 times in my 30 years. jesse waters will do it fair kind not do it. so during the campaign they had thato i had too many other things and she has not since then. would be happy to go one roland martin all they have to do is invite me. host: you spent 25 or 30 years on radio they did not see your

face necessarily now running for governor what is your in and on —- anonymity levels. >> now i can go anywhere , without somebody recognizing me. airports or hotels i was in des moines iowa yesterday somebody came up to me i was at a counter eating by myself the one to my left said i didn't want to say anything to you but i am a big fan and then his food came i said it your food how often do have a chance to talk to larry elder? and then a couple next we alsodi knew that they don't want to say anything because they didn't want to be rude but that is the level of fame right now but despite that, right before the election b was over i was just under 1 million followers on

twitter every day of is about 100 the other day i lost 30000 a channel on youtube and then that dead stopped and there is no question that conservative commentators and pendants are being shafted by facebook and instagram and twitter. but the question of level of anonymity? i don't have it anymore. what about unpleasant people those who don't like you? what do they say and 35 years being a public figure may be ten or 15 encounters is somebody said something vicious if they don't like you they give you the love for most people won't come up and and so you most are too polite to do that.

host: for the past two hours our guest hasas been larry elder we appreciate your time here on booktv. thank you for being with us.