conversation until we get that video ready. i do want to read a quote from 3/31/2022. this is from one of your columns. sorry, i do noconsider myself a victim of a systemically racist cntry, i do not believe cops engage in racial profiling, i reject critical race theory and climate change alarmism. i believe taxes are too high and regulations are too severe and government too big. i support the secure borders and pro-life, god-fearing and advocate school choice. >> that is exactly it.

i believe alice is the king. this is not about the police engaging in systemic racism, it is dangerous. there are studies showing that police are more hesitant and reluctant to pull the trigger on a black suspect than a white suspect. the police are not engaging in positive policing. a bunch of bad guys on the street who would be behind bars and those bad guys are committing crimes and killing the people that the people on the left purport to care about. >> have many -- how many books have you written? >> about half a dozen. my favorite book, my most recent book is about my father. the hardcover is called dear father, dear son. it is the same book. >> tell us about your parents? >> my mother was born on a farm in huntsville, alabama, my

father was born in athens, georgia. my father does not know who his father is. my mother came from a prosperous family. during the great depression, they never felt it. they sold chickens and vegetables to their neighbors. they got married in chattanooga and my dad is not biological father is -- does not know who his biological father is. i disliked my father growing up intensely. he was ill tempered, he spanked us too readily in my opinion and i do not understand why he was so irritable all of the time. unfortunately, my dad started at cafe and i had to work for him. i do not like working for him either. everybody could hear everything and see everything and my dad would yell at me if i do something wrong.

i told myself the next time i i would work out. -- walkout. the waitress had called in sick so my dad was there during rush hour with a restaurant for of people, 15 stools, standing room during rush hour, there may have been 30 people there and we had to handle it all by himself. he was steaming. i was laying on my bed and my dad walked in my bedroom and said why did you leave? i spoke back to my father. i said dad, i got a sick and tired of the way you spoke to me and i am not putting up with the anymore. he paid me $10 a day plus tips. he threw the money at me and did not say anything to make. we did not say anything for the

next 10 years. i graduated from high school and i go to college in new england, and to law school in the midwest. i am 25 years old, i passed the ohio bar, the california bar, i am at a big law firm. i am 25 years old. i should be living large, but i cannot sleep. i know that it has to do with my dad. i know that we were not going to be friends. i called my secretary, i told her to cancel all of my appointments and i was flying in. i do not want my dad to prepare for me. i get to lax and take a cab to the restaurant. i got there at 130 time. walk in with pieces of luggage and he says should i put my luggage there and said i want to

give you the highlights. i will call him and and unfair and that i will call him unfair and he will call me ungrateful. despite my best efforts, i spoke nonstop for about half an hour. i told him everett with income every slight, how embarrassing that was, and everything i could possibly tell him and then i was done. i was spent. my father just took it. when i was done my dad said is that it? you do not speak to me for 10 years because of that? let me tell you about my father. i know nothing about my dad's life. i know he was an only child. i met him once. i did not even like him so i did not ask about his life. the first time i saw my father cry he said let me tell you about my father.

you know your last name? it is not my father's last name. i never met him. elder is a man who was in my life it was the longest, he could neither read or write. elder was an alcoholic who is physically abusive to me and my mother. he would be me -- beat me. my father came home and my mother threw me out of the house. never to return. at the beginning of the great depression during jim crow. for the next 8 hours he told me about his life. he became and palo alto

california. he can walk through the front door of a restaurant and was shocked he would get served. pearl harbor, my dad would the marines. he said anybody out there knows what i'm going to cite, they go where the action is and they love the uniforms. he was stationed in guam, he was a staff sergeant in terms of cooking for the colored soldiers. he went to restaurant to restaurant and they say we do not hire in words. need to go through that door, might i got onto the hall, to the same lady was in him out. my dad said this is not set, -- nonsense, i am going to light. he has told you not not have any references.

he even offered to work for free just for someone to give him a reference. my dad goes to the unemployment office and asks if he has any thing -- anything. he sat there for a whole day and came back the next day and lady calls him up, i have something. it is a job cleaning toilets. my dad did that for 10 years three hook up, he found another janitor job with another bread company cleaning toilets, my network full -- two full jobs. he cooked on the weekends. that is why he was so cranky, he never slept. not just a after a day or week, year after year. you do that and you walk into a

house with great rambunctious boys, what kind of mood are you going to be in? he is getting bigger and bigger and i am getting smaller and smaller. i am crying. at the end of the eight hours, i sit please forgive me for judging you so harshly. he says you are a kid and you did not know. hard work wins. you get out of life what you put into it. you cannot control the outcome, but you are in control of the effort. what could i have done to change the outcome. no matter how hard you work, i think is going to happen, -- bad things are going to happen. we had a wonderful relationship and that is what the book is all about. >> this is a tough book to read. >> this is a tough write. it was cathartic.

while i was writing it, but i was alive. why did you do this, he was asking why i was writing about his life. as soon as the book was over and my dad died. by a lot, tough, smart, had one year of college. she used to tell people that she had two years. i asked my mother why and she got upset. it bothered her she only had model year of education. the way up and out was through education and hard work. it is used to correct my grammar. -- she used to correct my grammar. she corrected vin scully's grammar. he said tell me where the ball would have gone -- went. mother corrected him.

he says, oh my god. every so often my language is bad. i remember this vividly. we at our old house, we had to be seven years or younger, it was a book of illustrated presidents. we went through every single president and when the book was over she closed it and said someday you could be in this book if you want to. i never aspired to run for office, i have always been interested in politics and public patients but never political office. i ran for governor of california, i got 150,000 individual donors. in eight weeks when i got into the race, i was trying to be strategic, that is when arnold schwarzenegger got into the race.

i do not know if i wanted to do it. i was approached by a lot of people i admire like dennis prager who got me into radio and my pastor. they all asked me to run. i asked normal people like my barber, like the guy who drives me, his name is ed. they all wanted me to run and i said wow, little by little, if not you, who? i felt a spiritual obligation to do it. i did not want to. i thought i could make a difference in california. in eight weeks we raised $22 million. as a first part is gavin newsom had to be recalled by 50% plus one. had that happened, however got the most votes on the replacement side got the nomination.

i carried 57 counties in california. the reason i am telling you all of that is because after i ran for governor, a lot of people thought i would consider running for president. i am giving it some strong consideration. it is not that i believe i will displace ron desantis or donald trump if they want, but i have some things to say. as a breakdown of the american nuclear family. 70 president of black children entered the world without their father married to mother. forget about elder, barack obama says a kid who is raised

without a father is more likely to go to jail. the welfare state has in my opinion is advise women to marry the government and is a to abandon their financial and moral responsibility. this is a direct line between that and 85% of black eighth graders cannot read or do math at proficiency levels. they are functionally illiterate. it is a direct line between that and crying. i want to talk about the connection between that and the welfare state and i do not feel that either party including my party spent enough time addressing that. >> speaking of which, you wrote in 2000 in 10 things you cannot say in america, you are talking about these issues back then. you mentioned that the welfare state is tyranny of the status

quo. >> again, it is by far the biggest problem we have in america. there is a book called his father's face. he talks about as a prison chaplain who wanted to improve morale at a prison. he says can you give me 500 mother's day cards for free and they thought it would be a good marketing tool and they did. they go to the present and passes them out and morale did improve. father state rolls around. he goes to the same greeting card company and ask for 500 father's day cards, not a single inmate wanted to fill one out and send it to his father. if you look at crime, breakdown of the family, there is a direct correlation between the two. >> how did you do when you ran against gavin newsom?

>> i had my toughest time with black media. i had a great time with asian-american media, hispanic media, gloria romero, the former democrat senate minority leader crossed party lines and supported me because of the issue of school choice. i had a zoom meeting with 8-10 pastors. everything was going ok until i said that as a pup i -- that the police are not mowing down black people because they are black. it is not borne out by the studies. they went ballistic. as a number one problem -- i said the number one problem in the black community is the breakdown of the family. i said you guys aren't role models and you are telling me that the number one problem is police brutality? it is not true.

we had back-to-back black police chiefs. 40% of hispanic, 3% white, and percent black, the rest are asian americans. that is the representation of the police department. when something happens, you have a bunch of people screaming about police brutality. it is nonsense. take baltimore, a man died in police custody. in comes the obama administration to investigate whether baltimore is engaging in systemic racism. a month earlier the obama administration gave the award for their 31st policing. they celebrated them. in baltimore at the time, freddie gray droit, the mayor was black. the number one and number two people running the police was black.

six cops were charged, three of them were black. all city council was democrat, majority black. the united states attorney general was black and so was the president. i am reminded of the joke, wanda sykes says how can you complain about the man when you are the man? many of them have or have had superintendents of public schools, who are black, it is ridiculous. recently in philadelphia, there is a place called sesame place. it is an amusement park, i never heard of it until this incident. one of the muppets is walking down and she is high-fiving everybody except for these two little black girls. there is a lot of video or either the character or other characters are high-fiving white kids and ignoring the black kids.

it appears to be something systemic. i do not know. the video went viral and other people began producing videos and the park apologized. they are accused of engaging in systemic racism and they demand that they hire more black people and undergo systemic training. they put black people on the board of directors. a baltimore family that was there suit the place for $75 million. i do not doubt that there is something going on here. make into world war iii and philadelphia is on track for more homicides than that in their history. 44% of teachers in philadelphia put their own kids in private schools because the schools are so bad. in baltimore, the families who are suing for $35 million, there are 13 private high schools --

13 public schools where 13% of kids can do math. there is a 0% efficient -- proficient in math or 1%. he writes a letter demanding all of this, it is nonsense. if there was a crime against leadership malpractice, some of these people would be on death row. >> at what point, being raised in south central did you become a conservative or was it after you left? >> there was no moment, my dad was a lifelong republican. my dad's the democrats want to give you something for nothing. when he tried to get something for nothing you end up getting nothing for something. my mother was a lifelong democrat. there were quarrel in a civil way -- they would quarrel in a

civil way when we set down for dinner. they were debate politics. my mother, because he was better educated, would beat him. of the older i got i realized my dad was using common sense. i was never a victim, i never felt i was impressed. i could not do what i needed to do if i worked hard. that is my orientation. when i took college economics, and i learned the downside of the minimum wage, that opened me up a little bit. i began reading ayn rand, i was somebody who never felt like i was a victim. i believe in america, in hard work. it may be unpopular with some of the kids >>. after law school in cleveland, how did you get into the radio

business? >> by accident. i left the law firm after three years, i started a law firm which i did for 14 years. the only thing i wanted to do was to be a writer. i also wanted to eat. i know how difficult it is to earn a living as a writer. i go to law school and when you graduate you may as well do something with the degree. went to a big law firm and i was a travel lawyer. i have fond memories of my law firm. they have emerged and it is a huge law firm. i began writing op-ed pieces for the newspaper when i started my firm. i had enough time i began writing op-ed pieces. we had things like envelopes with stamps, i would write something and send it.

i would get a court of saying thank you but no thank you. i did another one, thank you. finally, they published one. it is about five years ago, over 40 years ago i sent today in america, racism is no longer a major problem. i allowed -- how might my dad's philosophy. i got a call asking if i was black and i said i have been told. he offered for me to come on and talk about it. i was on for a full hour. now that i am in radio, that is a long time to keep somebody on who has never abandoned the. most of the calls were black people. i was called uncle tom and a coconut and the antichrist at all sorts of names. it was the longest hour of my life. i remember driving back to my

office and saying i will never do that again. as a station manager calls and says i was amazing. he says you took difficult positions, you defended them without losing your sense of humor, have you ever thought about doing talk radio? i have a guy going on vacation, or use it in for him? i asked that she asked if i was married and i said yes. he is a talk it over with her and call me if you change your mind. my wife says i would be good at it. i did it and for 20 minutes i heard angels singing. i could give my opinions and make a living out of this? i met some people, i met dennis prager and he had me on his show. the station manager is still with us, he gave me a two day

audition and he said after the first night, do you want this job? have fun and do not speak so quickly. i have been on radio ever since then and now i am on tv. >> in 2009, a new book from you came out, it came out again and now the title is what does rice have to do with it? >> i went to lax to see the book , as i do whatever my books come out, it is a torch to see your book at a lax bookstore. i said you carry stupid black man? she says no, i do not like the title. we find out a lot of people writing to the title. the reason i titled it that is

because there was a book called stupid white men. it was criticizing people for thinking black people were stupid. his was a bestseller but mine has pushed back. he renamed it or does rice have to do with it in order -- we renamed it what does rice have to do with it? >> supports stuff in -- who puts stuff like this in the minds of so many blacks? those who prattlonbout the unfinished business ofacin america. all aing to quote keep it real by stirring the pot and keeping blacks in greece, pessimistic, and less willing to invest in themselves. >> i would put at the top of the

list, barack obama. i was in boston in 2004 when he lit up the arena, he gave the introductory speech for john kerry. i sit in my producer, this man will run for president someday. -- i said to my producer, this man will run for president one day. it was not the front runner on the primary side, steve, the correspondent said obama, if you do not win, will it be because of race? i was at home and i said let us see what this man says. is he going to say the truth? he said no.

if i do not win, it will because i have a network articulated a vision that the american people can embrace. i said hallelujah, i am not going to vote for him, but at least he will bring us together racially. he will stop the nonsense. i watched him give a speech at a black church, he was in the senate and he talked about how much racism there was. we have quite a 90% of the way there, my generation has to get us the additional 10%. i thought that was reasonable. 8% of americans believe elvis is still alive. have to be written off. ii thought it was reasonable, what he said. what happens? he gets into office, he walks in the third week of january, he is at 70% approval.

even though he only got 52% of the vote because so many people, in my opinion, said, i did not vote for him but he will bring us together racially. he will stop the nonsense. for the next eight years he did the opposite. if i had a sunday trade bond, there is a place called ferguson. racism in america's dna. he embraced black lives matter. he invited al sharpton to the white house 80 times. he did the opposite of what people thought he was going to do which is why he left, most americans thought race relations would improve but it deteriorated. in his last term there were two police officers executed in new york. there were three killed execution style in baton rouge. five in dallas by three different black men, all motivated by the lie the police were engaging in systemic racism.

the flames of which obama fanned along with his ag. they did damage in this country. when someone like barack obama, raised by a single mother, phd, he goes to harvard for law school, columbia for undergraduate from obscure state like hawaii becomes president and you're still whining about racism? it must be true. the ag, eric holder, he is probably making between $5 million and $10 million a year right now. he talked about pernicious racism. remember when donald sterling lost his team? it was around that time the nba took it away from him because of the remark he made about blacks. eric holder gave a speech and said, blatant racism, we got that covered. someone like donald sterling? we have got that covered. it is the pernicious racism we have to deal with.

i read the speech 100 times. he talked about three things. one was the movement toward voter photo id. majority of black support is for photo id. the supreme court decision written by john paul stevens said there was an interest in election integrity by states passing photo voter id. the majority of blacks support voter photo id. the second example is the fact blacks who commit the same crimes as white people will get a sentence 12.5% longer. he quoted the u.s. sentencing commission and that is true. what he did not say is the same commission said the reason is because the average black criminal has more convictions, which judges take into consideration. the third thing he said was pernicious racism is that black boys are kicked out of school more often than white boys.

also true. he sued the decatur, illinois school district when they kicked out black kids fighting after a football game. turns out they missed 400 days of school. all white school board. the school board points out in the lawsuit that no matter the race of the principal, the race of the school board, black boys are kicked out more often. this is eric holder, the attorney general, giving three examples of pernicious racism. that is all you got? they were all wrong? racism has never been a less important factor in america. i am not saying america does not have bigots. we know that. but we deal with them on a case-by-case basis. take derek chauvin. there is zero evidence he did that because george floyd was black. he was not charged with a hate crime. let's deal with these things on

a case-by-case basis. this is why young black men are not complying. i would not either if i thought the cop was going to do harm. i am told that by eric holder, barack obama, so-called black leaders. why would i not listen? i do not have a father to tell me otherwise. my father told my brothers and me if you are stopped by the cops, say yes sir, no sir, yes ma'am, no ma'am. he was not a biologist but he knew the difference between a man and a woman. make sure your paperwork is in order and if you feel you are mistreated, get the badge number and we will deal with that later. young black kids do not hear that but they hear eric holder talking about racism. it is making things worse and obama did a great deal of damage. i know he watches book notes and in depth on c-span. i hope you heard this. i have tried to have a cover station because i know he knows what i know. there is a magazine called police mag and they talked about a poll in the magazine and

people who were self describing peter as very liberal were asked, in 2019, how many unarmed black men to the police kill? half of the liberal people said 1000. 8% said 10,000. what about regular old liberals? 39% thought the police killed 1000 unarmed black man. 5% thought they killed 10,000. the answer according to the washington post is 12. if you are that wrong about what the police are doing, of course you are going to have fear. this is the level of propaganda that the left has allowed people to feel because they want their vote. how to get 95% of one group of people voting for the democratic party unless you like to them about race relations? you have black people feeling things are worse than they are and they are not working nearly as hard as they should. look at the poll of who does homework at night.

blacks, hispanics, whites, and asians, stairstep. if you do not do your homework, have in the world you expect to come out and do well in the market place? there is a relationship between how hard you work and the results. all too often we are told that the reason you are not where you want to be is because some but he held you back. nonsense. if somebody did not hold my father back, who has every reason to be angry at the world, they could not possibly hold you back. not get off. take advantage of your situation. pick up your cards no matter what they are and play them to the best of your ability. think tanks on the left and right disagree about all source of things, but the most prominent on the left is bookings and on the right the american enterprise institute. they both say, you need to do the same things to leave poverty to get to the middle class. number one, finish high school. ideally one you can read, right,

and compute. two, do not have a kid until your 20. third, get married first. four, keep your job and if it is a minimum wage job, you will get a raise. five, avoid the criminal justice system. do not commit crimes. if you do those things, you will not be poor. if you do not follow that, there is a good chance you will be. >> good afternoon and welcome to book tv's in depth program. this is our monthly author interview. we invite one author on to talk about his or her body of work. this month it is author, talkshow host and gubernatorial candidate larry elder. beginning in 2000, "ten things you can't say in america" came out. that was followed by "showdown." "what has ray's got to do with it? " came out in 2009.

"double standards" a collection of the essays in 2019 and the book we discussed a little bit, "a lot like me," was his most recent in 2018. this is your chance to participate and talk to mr. elder, asking questions. (202)-748-8001 for those in mountain and pacific time zones and if you want to send a text message, include your first name and city. you can send that to (202)-748-8903. we have social media sites. just remember @booktv is our address if you want to post a comment or question. earlier today, mr. elder, i

pulled up a tweet. this is from a gentleman named cory stewart. he asks, ask him real questions, like why does he belong to a party that openly courts white nationalist organizations that would like him dead? larry: nonsense. this is the donald trump used a racist dog whistle to get elected line of thinking. there are 700 counties that voted for obama in 2008, 2012. 200 switched and voted for donald trump in 2016. were they bitten by some radioactive racist spider? the city that most voted for donald trump in 2016 of over 100,000 was abilene, texas. 80%, 85%. after trump got elected guess who voted for the first black mayor in over 140 years? abilene, texas.

nonsense. the idea that white people dislike black people to the point they would put a racist in the white house? there is a talkshow host, the one on -- >> chris plante? larry: msnbc. chris matthews. host: of course. larry: left-wing as hall. he wrote a book called "hardball." sharp book. he said most white people would never vote for somebody if they thought they were racist. this is chris wallace. >> chris matthews. larry: chris matthews. he was longtime democratic speaker of the house. of student observer of politics. most white people would never vote for somebody they thought was racist. nonsense. why would donald trump want to be known as a bigot?

this guy, donald trump, four years. best economy ever for black people. he pardoned jack johnson, first heavyweight champion that was black. obama did not pardon him. but trump did. he parted alice johnson, serious drug offense. he put permanent funding for black colleges on a 10 year basis. he did the first step act to allow, by the time he ended term, 5000 black men would have their sentences reconsidered and reduced. he pushed enterprise zones to reduce taxes and regulations in distressed areas to improve the black economy. he supported school choice, which urban black parents and hispanic parents wanted. he secured the borders in the best ways been done in decades. why is that relevant for black people?

the person who has done the more work on immigration is an economist named george warh oss. the big winners are employers who hire people for less money. they can push them around because they fear being deported. losers are unskilled black and brown people in the under city. most of the illegal aliens have high school or less and these are the people they compete against. one of my friends with the civil rights commission, black, he said there are probably a million jobs that would otherwise be held by black people because of the presence of illegal aliens. and they put about $2000 worth of downward pressure on wages every year. donald trump stopped that. as a result, the employment prospects for black and brown people with high school or less education improved. if this guy is racist, he needs to go to racism school. >> from the l.a. times, september 4, 2021, the election

of donald trump in 2016, in my opinion, was divine intervention. it was a miracle. he is almost god sent, larry elder. larry: right. well, who saw that coming? all these pundits, all these experts, including me. when i heard he might run, i said, he is not going to run. if he does, he will get in a few weeks. he will pack up and go back to trump tower. i was shocked at how well he did. i was shocked at the way he got people to start thinking long and hard about fake news. he secured the borders by talking about the wall. even joe biden is completing parts of the wall in arizona. i think what donald trump did it shake the republican party up and get them to grow cashews and start standing up for their values. i am a huge fan of donald trump and i campaigned with him and for him.

can i tell you one quick story? we are in cleveland in 2016 and we are campaigning together at a church. i said to him, there is one thing you need to apologize for. this man does not like to apologize. he said, i know what you're going to say. what i said about john mccain. i said, not at all. you said george w. bush lied us into the iraq war. he did not. there was a commission called the rob silverman commission and the intel was wrong, but there is zero evidence he lied. the d.c. bureau chief of the associated press at the time publicly said george w. bush lied us into the iraq war. democrats believe w either lied or there is a strong possibility he did. it is not true. he was shooting at the british and american planes patrolling the no-fly zones. he was stealing from the food

program. we know he had chemical weapons because he used them on the iranians. he went, [grumbling], but he never said it again. i realized his way of apologizing is never saying the wrong thing twice. >> let's go back to 2021 and here is the current president. [video clip] >> over the last year i got to run against the real donald trump. [booing] well, this year republican running for governor here is the closest thing i have seen to a trump clone. [laughter] he is leading the other team.

he is the clone of donald trump. can you imagine him being governor of the state? >> no! [shouting] >> you can't let that happen. [applause] larry: wow. [laughter] >> i think he was referring to you, mr. elder. larry: i would rather be called the clone of donald trump than the blackface of white supremacy. that is how they won the election. barack obama cut a commercial for gavin newsom. elizabeth warren did, bernie sanders did, kamala harris made comments, nancy pelosi. they said the same thing -- stop the republican takeover. they never said gavin newsom was doing a great job on crime, because he wasn't.

gavin newsom is doing a great job with schools. our schools are ranked near the bottom even though we are spending more than before. gavin newsom is doing great in attracting people to california when people are actually leaving and taking tax dollars with them. i cannot think of anything this man has done right. nobody tried to defend his record. they said, don't let republicans take over because republicans are unpopular in california, outnumbered three to one, and that is how they succeeded. but he would not debate me and i would ask reporters, let's debate the issues. they never did and he never did. when i got into the race the recall side went into the margin of error. he was scared. he called out the dogs. all this money came in from the unions, hollywood, snoop dogg even tweeted against me even though snoop dogg supports school choice.

for one shining moment they were scared to death which is why so many of the heavy lumber came out. >> larry elder, we were talking before the show. you had some flight problems coming out here. you ended up going through des moines which was kind of funny. you said you are going back. larry: i am going back in a couple of weeks for the state fair. it is a rite of passage of you running for higher office. a lot of people have asked me to consider it. this may sound self-serving, it may sound immodest, but i would rather not do it. but for the issues i want to talk about, pro-choice, the breakdown of the family, the connection between the breakdown of family and crime, the importance of securing the borders. i am not sure there are many people that can speak about these things as persuasively and passionately as i can. i want to do that. i want to do what god wants me to do and i believe god wants this. i had a conversation with ben

carson when i was at cpac in dallas days ago. ben said, i am going to do what god wants me to do. i said, that is exactly how i feel. i feel that i have a patriotic and spiritual obligation to do what i think can help the country. if i can do nothing more than tell people of color, knock it off, pick up the cards, play them to the best of your ability and you will be fine, and get back to values. get back with the church. get back to right and wrong. if i can do that and wake up a few people and do what i thought obama was going to do but refused to do, i will assert my purpose. >> have you been to mar-a-lago? larry: i have a couple of times. i was there for the premier of "2000 mules." all of these people are going to the drop boxes stacks of mail-in ballots. i do not think they were legitimate. places like cleveland, philadelphia, atlanta, detroit.

i was also there for another event. i have been a couple of times. >> have you expressed this view point of running to president trump? larry: i have not. since mar-a-lago is when i thought about it but i have not expressed it. i am not afraid to. i think the likelihood obama will be the nominee is quite high. >> biden. larry: what did i say? obama? i think the likelihood of trump getting the nomination is high and i'm fine with that. i would gladly vote for him again. or ron desantis. i have things i want to say. i have my own lane and i am not going to say anything critical. by the way, when i ran for governor, there were half a dozen major republicans on the replacement side. i did not say a single negative thing about them even though i was not the front runner. i did not want to get with the firing squad. there was crime, hopelessness,

the way he shut down the government. not wearing masks, not doing social distancing. kids were already behind in california. we all knew the issues were. but i did not say a negative thing about him, but they did not adhere to the same principle. one of them in particular was the favorite of the republican establishment. the gop did not endorse me. the state party did not endorse me. they wanted kevin faulkner, two time mayor of san diego. kevin mccarthy wanted him. well, i carried san diego county by 31 point. the other favored was a guy named kevin kiley, now running for congress. i carried his county by 30 points. i galvanized the bay and when they realized that, they many the establishment, they did not endorse anybody officially but they wanted kevin faulkner. my point in telling you that is

i am not out there to trash donald trump. i think you did a great job. i thought he got the raw deal on the hunter biden story. 91% of their stories about donald trump are negative even though inflation was low, the economy was great, no new wars. i thought it was a ticketless iran deal and the climate change deal. i thought he did great things. but he was trashed by a two and a half your collusion that turned out to be empty. the man was incredibly mistreated. i am not going to say anything negative about him or ron desantis. i have things i want to talk about, notably the breakdown of the family. >> final question before we go to calls. what about the election deniers and january 6? larry: well, let me give you a long answer. here is what i find irritating about this whole business of election deniers. there have been numerous election deniers on the

democratic side. hillary for four years referred to donald trump as a legitimate and said the election was stolen. 67% of democrats believed russians changed vote tallies to get donald trump elected. there was a 1000 page report looking into the election of 2016. zero evidence a single vote tally was changed. the secretary of homeland security testified under oath, zero evidence a single tally was changed. 67% of democrats believe the russians changed vote tallies to elect donald trump. he also said, we don't know whether or not the russian interference altered the outcome of the election. we don't know. to have a country that was no interference -- we cannot compare because we do not know. 78% according to gallup, democrats believe russian interference altered the outcome in favor of donald trump.

a greater percentage of democrats feel 2016 was stolen. benny johnson, the chair of the house january 6 committee, in 2005, he joined if i democrats to refuse to seat the electors in ohio because the allegation the voting machines have been tampered with. no evidence but here he is denying 2005 election in ohio. al gore to this day believes the election was stolen from him. barbara boxer as did maxine waters as did jones. donald trump does it, he is undermining the election, but these guys do it and it is fun. stacey abrams says her election was

the big lie about 2016. about donald trump, i mentioned the hunter biden story being suppressed. 60% say they would not have

voted for biden if they had known. the election guy at a mess nbc says that 30,000 votes in three states would have changed the election to donald trump. looking at michigan, the secretary of estate used covid as an excuse to send mail-in ballots to everyone whether they requested one or not. donald trump followed -- filed a lawsuit. the supreme court didn't take it up. a judge said what they did was illegal 221, meaning the lawsuit wasn't ridiculous. in pennsylvania, wills and regulations broken including accepting mail-in ballots. donald ling followed a lawsuit.

dershowitz said they would pick it up. there is nothing wrong with hiring a lawyer. the fact that saying he was orchestrating an insurrection was absurd. they keep talking that he say fight. people say that stuff all of the time. and donald trump today's before that interviewed cash patel, the chief of staff of the acting secretary. he said i was in the room and in the event they are necessary. it is not donald trump's job to play them. it had to be requested. that is the job of nancy pelosi

and the capitol hill police and they did not request the use of these troops. who authorized 20,000 national guardsmen if they are orchestrating a coup? i would bet my house that merrick garland is not going to indict donald trump, and if he does, he will get an acquittal. host: let's take some calls for larry elder. first of all, mr. elder, thank you for taking the opportunity to discuss these topics. i grew up in private schools. i went to school with blacks, puerto ricans. i have always believed, my grandfather once told me, he said life is about choices and

opportunity. when i was 15 years old, i was on a dj program and it propelled me to do work. i could go on and on. i listened to what you said. the only thing i thought donald trump did wrong is he had diarrhea of the mouth. if he had cleaned up of some of what he said, i want to know your comments on opportunities and why is to do that. they want 70 else to tell them what to do. larry: a lot of people are afraid of freedom.

if you haven't achieved where you want to go it does on you and that scares a lot of people. about life being choices, i am on a sailboat in lake erie. i lived in cleveland and my friend had a vote during i was on with a bunch of other people and and the guy happened to be white and was complaining about his job and boss and hates his boss and job. and i said, what are you going to do about it. it was as if someone hit him with a two by four. i forgot about the conversation. 20 years later i get a letter from him and he reminded me what happened on the boat. he started his own business and became a multimillionaire and has never been happier. he said had you not slapped me in the face and told me i needed to take responsibility, i don't

know what i would have done. it is all about opportunities. fear of loss is what motivates most people. procrastinating is really easy for people to do. it is up to us to pick up cars and play them again. host: jim, casper, wyoming, good afternoon. caller: i have been enjoying this. i wanted to ask you, i had given up on california and left. i was wondering, larry, if you are interested in running again since you did so well in the recall but you sure had an in-depth. host: before we get the answer, give us your story. caller: i was born in tahoe but live in sacramento. i lived there for my entire life

until 2020 when i got an opportunity to move. it was a beautiful state. i met my wife there. tired of the taxes and tired of people raising taxes on themselves and decided i needed to find a little more agreement on things. larry: in 2003 there was a successful recall and arnold schwarzenegger came governor. there are now 5% more registered democrats, 54 -- 50% more registered independents, 30 3% fewer registered republicans and still i ended up getting 49% of the replacement vote, as did arnold schwarzenegger. has them in a public official elected statewide in years.

when the race was over, a lot of the major rivals grumbled that had larry elder not done this or that or had he done this or that he would have won. the reporter interviewed these people and they celebrated how they campaign. i said let's find out how many run against gavin newsom when he runs for reelection in november. if they know what larry should have done, they will run against him. not a single one did. the one who won was a no-name. i can understand why people are giving up on california. there is a magazine that has been around for 17 years, i asked them what is the best day and the worst state to do business. 470 consecutive years, texas has

been voted the number 1 -- for 70 consecutive years, texas had been voted number one and cal point has been voted the worst. take elon musk -- and california has been voted the worst. take elon musk, he is going to take millions in taxes. you are losing that money, not just one year but every year this man is in business during they will hit rock bottom and then and only then do i think republicans and democrats will rethink their hostility toward republicans. it will be very daunting for anyone to win statewide. i decided not to do it again. host: have you considered leaving? very: i have not. if you bought a house in the 1980's in california, you have a lot of equities. i have bought houses.

i have a lot of equity in my house and i was born and raised there and went to school there are my friends are there in my pastor is there. i don't want them to chase me out. if i can't do it at that level, maybe i can do it at the national level. host: what is the reaction to you in hollywood? larry: of the contributions for politics, for hollywood, 90% go to the democrats. when it was clear i was a serious threat to gavin newsom, there was an article in the hollywood reporter about how gavin newsom called against me. the normal people in hollywood, i go somewhere and they look both ways and they say i work in hollywood and i can't let anyone know how conservative i am but i voted for you.

i was on -- at home and it was a scout locator and said we would like to use your property for the food. so we set up the deal. the catering service had comes over -- head came to me and we start having a conversation. he was so far away that would couldn't have been heard by anyone. six months later he called me and said he hadn't worked since then. they found out i like you and i haven't worked since then. i can give you story after story. there was show, a best judge show ever. the guy that designed my set, it was a beautiful set. he was so gifted the rnc asked him to design their set for their convention that year.

and he did. he told me he didn't work for two years. he said i am gay, left-wing, democrat but because i worked on that set, they thought i was republican and when i told him i wasn't they thought that i committed some kind of sin. that is how the tolerant, not tolerant hollywood is. host: from louisiana, please go ahead with your comment. caller: i have been waiting to talk to you. i live in louisiana. i don't know if you remember a guy named louis armstrong? guest: are you kidding? the best ever. caller: he said he was never coming back to louisiana and he never performed in in alexandria because he said it was so racist.

i left the democratic party long time ago. i am 61 years old. these two work where they had the riots with the humans. i came in after that. they got to saying the n word and i said i wouldn't tolerate it. they set i threatened to kill the warden and they got rid of me. i have been trying to clear my name, but i want to salute you. when you told that story about your father being a tough marine, that sent chills my bones. i was a military police officer. host: thank you for calling in. guest: thank you for the love. it is not a lot of fun being

called an uncle tom, but if that is what it takes for me to wake up people so they can begin to appreciate the freedom we have and there is a reason people from central america are coming here. to say this is a racist country, it is nonsense. little by little i can tell i am making a difference. when i am invited to speak, most of the audience is white. every now and then there is some blacks there but it is not because there is a secret handshake or something they just don't come. when this guy was in back and hip shaking his head. he came up to me and said i am really angry at myself.

i had no idea there was a 50% dropout rate in many urban schools. i had no idea 25% of young black men in inner cities have criminals -- come in a backgrounds. i thought i was well informed. and he said i have watching too much -- and he named a few outlets. thank you so much for shaking me up and waking me up and he walked away. host: some of those drug convictions, are those fair? guest: i have always felt that the war on drugs should be fought as a public policy issue not a criminal issue. it is ok for someone next-door to have a martini or two or three but if you have a joint you credit a crime. i have always had a problem with that. host: you mentioned that it is tough to be called an uncle tom.

i will go a few days. -- host: i will go a few days. what is wrong me. i want to show a little video from this website. [video clip] ♪ when you look at these pictures, you get a sense of what they like. ♪ >> vine providence was in the lives of black americans. >> through our history, they were honorable and had integrity that is what black people were. >> we were never taught that america was bad and we were not americans. >> you see people trying to

rewrite history. >> why is that? >> whenever you have something to be proud of, people have less of a chance to control you. >> is racist from top to bottom. >> anti-black. >> this country and this world, there is no where they would rather be unless they grow up in this country. they are fed a lie. the reason is power. >> there are people are using the new girl in order -- the neg ro to establish power and they are merely a pawn.

guest: that is the trailer to the sequel. it is called uncle tom 2. it cost roughly $500,000 to make. rule in hollywood is if you can do three times your film's cost, you have a hit. uncle tom did 10 times. i executive produced it. brilliant co-writers. it is all about the way the left , social, collectivism, the civil rights movement created a

legitimate quest for equal rights into one for equal results. it is all about the endgame is black lives matter. these are trained marxists and carl marxists job he said was to dethrone god. he took pastors believing in judeo-christian values and families and we have replaced god and family with government. that is what uncle juan -- uncle tom one and uncle tom to are all about -- uncle tom two are all about. it comes out on august 26. i am enormously proud of that work. just do this. go on imdb and read the reviews. there are hundreds of reviews and it is almost as if i wrote them myself. i didn't this about the naacp, mlk mlk said one time if there

was a city with 30% blocks, executives should be 30% -- blocks -- blacks, executives should be 30%. that is ridiculous. it is a love letter to america. the second is a dear john letter to marxists, collectivists, and people like black lives matter who are manipulating black people for power. the reason why you are able to get 90% of black people to vote one way and not talk about crime, work opportunities is because of the lie that america is systemically racist and the real cause is social justice, whatever that means. that is what the democrat party has done to the black people. host: let's go to david, tulsa, go ahead. caller: i would like to ask what

is critical race theory and what does it mean to him. host: what does it mean to you, david? caller: i don't know. that is why i am asking your guest. guest: i am not sure either. i know that the proponents of it in my opinion are trying to tell young white people that they are oppressors and a young black people that they are oppressed and that virtually everything you find in america that you are not happy with could be explained by race and racism. unequal outcomes can be explained by race and racism. 87% of black people live below. there was a 40 point drop in 20 years. the greatest expansion for blacks in history it was before the civil rights movement and before brown versus education. why must wrong families and belief in god. host: do you know what the

poverty rate among effort he american rate is? guest: around 20% and around 10% for whites people it was falling steadily and then i 1965 it leveled out and has been there ever since. had the government not done anything and it stayed out of it we would have much lower poverty and stronger families. host: jim, california. caller: thank you for taking my call. my question is, i live in an area that is very beautiful, the southern sierras in the national forest essentially, and i love it. but the area and many of the people in areas around me are areas of deep poverty. i would estimate the lower 10% 15% of the populace. it is mainly white, hispanic american. some african american, not very

many, but it is a poor area. what i see the problem is that i don't think anybody cares about these people. you mentioned since the 1960's, the rate hasn't gone down. i live in kevin mccarthy's district, about as conservative as can be and most vote for him. i don't think that's republicans care about the people at the lower end if they can get the votes, it is nice but if they can't they don't care. the democrats don't. -- care about them much either there they are more worried about their electric power credits and solar panels on houses. i know some people who have no housing and a lot of people who i would say are in substandard. host: we will get an answer in just a second.

during the recall election, did you support larry elder? caller: i supported the recall of gavin newsom. host: that you, sir. he dodged the question. guest: on this think of people not caring about the poor, if they don't care about the results of money being spent on poverty programs, he is not wrong. we have spent $22 trillion on antipoverty programs and poverty has won. i'm the caring part, there is a book called "who really cares," and i think you interviewed him. host: has been on this program. guest: he was a public policy at syracuse and he found out no one had dinner and academic study -- who had done an epidemic study on who is more giving with their money, conservatives are liberals. servitudes give way more money

and blood than do liberals. number one is conservatives are more religious than liberals. secondly, most conservatives believe that welfare, the port should be helped one on one through churches and organizations and not through government and they talk the talk and walk the walk. there is a documentary called the 10 biggest liberal lies and the biggest one is that liberals are more giving than servitudes. it is not even close. this is a narrative pushed by the left and a lot of people believe. if government got out of the welfare business and allowed individuals and churches to do it we would be in a much better place now. host: i am going to read a quote from you. the republican party professes to support limited government while expanding it. at least the democratic party makes no pretense about adhering to the founding fathers version of a limited government that trusts the people.

guest: that is why i support a convention of states. there should be an amendment to the constitution so that government expansion would be looted to six percentage of the gdp. i would support no more than 10%, except for war and disaster. ronald reagan came in 1980, campaign with the promise to shut down the department of education when he left, the department of education was bigger than he left for period under george w. bush, they expanded the health care for kids. under both parties, government expanding. even turning -- during donald trump' s campaign he said we need to replace obamacare with something better. so one government program is better than another. the way to replace obamacare's with free markets, more competition. -- obamacare is with free

markets, more competition. hey four by the government is inherently -- paid for by the government is inherently inefficient. host: the next call comes from dimitris in los angeles. go ahead. demetrius hung up. i'm sorry. frank, butler, tennessee. caller: hello, larry. pleasure to speak with you. you are a breath of fresh air. my question is -- this could be the topic of your next book -- what is the topic of your next book? guest: i think i am writing one about my mom. host: the secretary of state you call her. guest: i asked my dad when i first went on radio to come on the radio and my dad is a man of few words, but when he speaks they count. i coaxed him to come on and he

didn't want to do it and finally he agreed because i leaned on him. my debt has the theory about who gives better tips, white people, black people, men, women your he said the people to the best our white men, specifically if they are overweight. the worst tippers are black females. he can look at you and tell you what tip you would leave and is almost always right. i said who are better tippers, blacks or whites and he said, i don't we can generalize. i said dad, who gives better tips, men or women. i don't think we can generalize. it was the longest 15 minutes of my life. during the commercial break i got on the phone and said dad, what are you doing to me? he said i don't want to offend

anyone. i said get mom on the phone. she was a country woman who had common sense and was a kennedy democrat she voted twice for george w bush and twice for reagan and wouldn't change her party, but she felt that the democrats had on off the reservation and she could no longer support them. host: when did they pass? guest: my mom died 15 years ago and my dad died 10 years ago. he was nine years older and we assumed he would die before my mom. and we were wrong. they were wonderful. i once asked -- it must've been 10 years before they died -- and i am at the kitchen table. host: there is a picture we are showing right now. guest: i don't know what occurred to me to ask them but i said, what did you do on your first date -- they were married 54 years. my mom look at my dad and my dad

looked at my mom and i said, you don't remember? i said what was dad wearing? what was mom wearing? i said, well, this is romantic. host: he lost a brother as well. guest: i did my brother died september 13, 2019. he was my best friend. he was at the computer on friday the 13th and had a heart attack and died. it was before his 70th birthday. about six or eight months after that, their youngest son, my nephew named eric, was found face dead in his apartment and had a heart attack at 38 years old. i believe it was grief from the death of his father and my sister-in-law lost her husband and son within a span of eight or nine months. she is so having difficulty and

is in a support group those who have lost loved ones and goes regularly. she is in nursing and works really sweet and i adore her, but what a one-to punch -- 1-2 punch. host: go ahead. you are on with larry elder. caller: i question would be -- please correct me if i am right or wrong -- prior to the election, i started receiving mail for three japanese people that i live alone. i started receiving phone calls, text messages from democrats asking me to vote for people. and they called my name doug peered my name is not doug. then what happened, i found out a young man in los angeles was pulled over 300 ballots, a gun, and blues and money -- and booze

and money that made me wonder what was going on. i looked into it. come to find out, gavin newsom hired approximately 20,000 ballot harvesters to collect ballots. then i looked a little further and i called my county board of supervisors. what i found out was that the entire election for the entire united states was based upon the 2010 census, dead people, the three japanese people i am talking about are all dead, we found out. host: let's see what mr. elder has to say about those. guest: there were lots of allegations during the recall election. all of the sudden the recall went into the margin of error but he won by 24 points. i have never said the election was stolen. i never made that argument, but i do say this -- we need to get

back to voting on the day of the election and the only people that should be voting male in are those who are disabled. this endless voting weeks before it makes zero cents and there is too much possibility of fraud. we want to get back to making feel -- people feel confident is we need to do that. one person on the generous six committee said if half of the electorate believes it was stolen, we can't have a democracy. at least that many democrats believe that about 2016. so the way to get back is to make sure you have voter id and you show up and vote in person the way you did when i was a kid. the only reason people would have mail in ballots is if they are not going to be in town or disabled. that is the only way to make our elections to curtain up to give people the confidence they should have. they don't have this mail-in ballot stuff in europe. they have much more stringent

requirements than we have. host: you talked about going to iowa into the iowa state fair and potentially exploring the presidential world. if someone picks up your book, "10 things you can't say in america," "showdown," or is there anything that you would disagree with today? guest: i can't think of anything. i reviewed some of my stuff in preparation for your interview and i thought, i need to start saying that again. i am happy with it. i probably would have emphasized the importance of the borders and i don't think i mentioned immigration much at all. but the country has gotten bigger and bigger in terms of government intrusiveness. i said in 1900, at all three levels, it took less than 10%

from the american people another take 30%. when you add unfunded mandates, they take about half. i got a call. is there a source for your assertion and i give them a source. is there a source that the government takes 32%, and i gave them a source. is there a source if you put a value to unfunded mandates, i give them sources. there were a piece, "elder half right." they said elder was right that government at all three levels in 1900 took less than 10%. elder was right, government takes 32%, but when he said if you put a value on unfunded mandates, it is half because it is subjective. of course it is subjective. but one said in any way alter

underfunded and another put it at 50%. -- elder underfunded and another put it at 50%. when -- left congress, a democratic candidate in 1972, he started a enb and it went bust. he said i wish -- started a b and b and it went bust. and he said i wish i would have known how difficult it was to make a profit. in one of them he was forced to put a security system. he was going to put one and they made him put one on that was more than he thought he needed. does that add value to the business when you say it is a mandate? there are some subjective things that are involved, i agree. i was so angry with the article that i contacted the two fact checkers and asked them to come

on my program, and they did. you said elder was right on this one and right on this one and wrong on one and i said hello, i didn't get to third -- and i said how come i didn't get two thirds correct. host: where is your show? guest: i am on epic tv.com. and it is on spectrum in l.a. we also put excerpts up on youtube. i'm urging all people to go to epic tv. it is nine dollars a month but has a lot of programing. they also have a powerful documentary out for those who have been watching the january 6 committee hearings. this is another perspective. host: do you still do your daily radio show? guest: i don't.

i stopped in may of this year. the first time in 30 years i haven't done a daily radio show? host: do you miss it? guest: i do. i miss the connection. but i am enjoying my tv show and i have been flying around the country to help candidates take back that house, the campaigns for school of choice and support initiatives for families, so i needed more flexibility to do that. i am having a good time and busier than ever before. uncle tom two comes out on august 26. i have a documentary i am working on and i am writing a book about the gubernatorial campaign which will oakley, early next year. host: barry in tampa, good afternoon. caller: they had me waiting so long and there were so many segments. give me just a minute. i live down south.

i am atheist. i'm not a republican can or a democrat. i believe there are a lot of uninformed voters and citizens of the united states. i don't prescribe to one particular party. i don't like labels because i find that you can be all of these things given a particular topic. the uncle tom, they make about you, you can say you always need somebody on the inside as well as the outside, so don't worry about the uncle tom thing. people have a problem with educated black men who know how to articulate. my problem with california want to ask you about is the homeless problem. we are one of the richest countries in the world and yet this comes problem is getting out of hand.

i am in the process of writing a book about the failures of capitalism because i believe certain things shouldn't be for profit, those three things are health care, education and --. i feel it if you want to be the number one superpower, you can't have stupid people or sick people and we have no way -- no type of attitude to reform prisoners if you are making money off of them. host: tell us very briefly about yourself. caller: i am from the north. i live in the south. there was a time i can understand why black people were republicans. but when i did my research on the parties and how they switched, and i understand why there are republicans.

it goes against every fiber for the south to vote democrats. they have used the race card and that is the only card they use. the republicans -- host: we are going to leave it there. the homeless and writing the book about no profit for health care, education, and incarceration. guest: this is the love this country in the world and there is no reason why we should have this printer -- this problem. most who are homeless have metal problems, alcoholics are addicted to drugs. that is a spiritual problem. i talked about ben carson when i was running for governor and he talked about a plan that he had and the -- if the term administration had a second term, he had it ready to go. it was on federal lands the work

the same regulations and rules and they were going to build a cost housing. he told me the mayor was on board in l.a. and even gavin newsom was on board and there was auntie of money to treat people and they would treat people first and they would be offered opportunities to live on federal property in these houses that would be built. ben carson believed that most of the homeless people would take up people on their offer and relocate to these areas where federal property is. we have to do something. it has gotten worse and worse. when gavin newsom was mayor of san francisco, two-term mayor, he, stte to and the homeless -- two-term mayor, he promised to end homeless thing. i suggested he might want to fulfill his campaign, to solve the homeless problem in san francisco. it has only gotten worse. it is not a housing first

problem. it is a spiritual problem and there is a direct relationship between the breakdown of family and large amount of people who are homeless. we can address this by dealing with mental illness and alcoholism and building low-cost housing so they will have somewhere to go. host: roger is in connecticut, please go ahead. caller: thank you so much. i think you are outstanding. i have a couple of comments to make and i will ask a question. here is one of my comments -- chuck schumer on may 7 made an impassioned plea before congress commemorating the beating of john lewis coming over the bridge, but the elvis -- always conveniently forget to mention the fact that he was beaten by democrats.

the second thing, i have a daughter that she doesn't understand the history, and in 1969, when there was forced busing, the democrats of boston greeted the children with buses -- on buses with bricks and threw them at the buses and the children as well. the last thing i will say, i am trying to be brief -- in 1854, a rest say it was written and in the essay, he said that he admonished the democrats because they were the slaveholders, he admonished the press because the press was sympathetic to the democratic laws and he said that

the press, with few exceptions, is corrupt. if my math is correct, that is a hundred and 68 years ago. my question to you -- that is 168 years of my question to you is -- and i know you are doing your best -- how do we communicate the history of what has happened to the black community? host: we are going to have to leave it there. thank you for that. guest: that is why i did uncle tom and uncle tom two, and if you watch these documentaries, you will have a full course on the history of these two parties. democrats were the party of slavery. it was one said there were no repugnant slaveowners. -- there were no republican slaveowners. out of the 400,000 owners, maybe six or eight of them have been republican and even those started out as democrats.

the republican party was the party of jim crow, democrats not the democratic party, founded the kkk. all of the politicians who stood in front of school doors were all democrats, born, raised, died democrat. it is a lie that all of the sudden 60's date switched sides. if you look at all of the people who voted against the civil rights, all of the democrats, only two turned republicans. the republican party is a party of individual responsibility, hard work, family, god, and i am urging fellow blacks to look at the history of the republican party and the history of the democratic party and not what democrats have done with welfare to essentially attack the black family and replace government with god and family. a different kind of slavery is

being pushed by democrats versus the actual slavery they used to push. host: bruce is in california, democrats line. caller: mr. elder, why did the republicans cheat hillary -- treat hillary clinton so bad during benghazi? what was the deal with biden's son? what was with donald trump, 22 people in his cabinet under some kind of conviction. what is all of that? host: we leave it there and let you have a comment. guest: i have no comment. host: neil in prescott, arizona, you are on the air. caller: i have a you little -- i have a little bit of history and then at 16 i was asked to join the communist party and the

black panthers. the whole idea that i was asked to join the ira and the kkk and everyone should know they were democrats. i was almost beaten to death by gang members on motorcycles because my partner was a black guy on a harley chopper. i was almost beaten to death by a crypt by a cane. people don't understand the people -- history of california and what happened with democrats . i was in the business of firearms and i sold guns, antique and modern. in the whole idea that the gun laws were against blacks, as mr. elder knows, everybody is equal under god, so everybody should be under the second amendment

equal. host: and that is something you write about, the gun laws. guest: the worst supreme court decision was talked about come if we ruled that black people are anything other than chattel, than they can get guns and lord knows what they would do on their former slave owners. we were talking about him and even after he studied under the free market, he was still a marxist peer he didn't change until he started working with a department of labor and was tasked with doing the study and the impact of the minimu wage and he said the minimum wage destroys jobs. milton friedman said it was the most anti-black law on the statute books. he found out they didn't care. that got him rethinking about his ideology. my good friend, david horwitz,

wrote a book and i interviewed him. used to work for the black panthers and began to realize what was happening and what people were saying how he was hurting people and he did a complete 180 and is now a very conservative activist with a think tank. host: you mentioned counsel -- tom soul and we ask everyone what their favorite books and what you are reading and here's what larry elder told us, the fohead, jd salinger, of human bdage, bonfire of the vanities, free to choose, milton friedman, and every book by thomas sole. what is your relationship? guest: i met him because of the c-span period was on c-span when i had a four hour radio show. c-span commitments that we want

to broadcast your show live or die was on for four hours. i get a letter from thomas, dear larry, my wife and i watched the entire four hours. you explained in a clear way, you talk about the importance here and i am a fan. that is like getting a letter from baby ruth. i want him back and we became good friends and he invited me to state with him and we have been good friends since. host: we are going to show some of the 1996 video that he saw and we played it live. [video clip] >> maestro, if you would. ♪ the larry elder contract with america is as follows -- number one, has a 50% flat tax, no deductions. let's call it the lex makes

lowers -- let's call it number two, reduce by 80% or the department of agriculture still as more euro credits. what exactly does small business administration do other than loan money to people who default in far greater numbers than the private sector would have tolerated. number three, in welfare, and i am talking about the welfare with a small w and a big w. the small w is what we typically think of as welfare. the big stuff is middle-class entitlement programs. end them. host: larry elder, there you are 26 years ago. guest: i have less hair now. host: anything you disagree

with? guest: i didn't want people to get the wrong idea about welfare. there will always be poor people but we need to help them in other ways. there was a book called democracy and america and he was able to travel around the world when people didn't do a lot of traveling in the from the greatest amount of poppers were in england. he found out that england was the first state to give no questions asked welfare and create a more dependency. he said i don't know the formula behind helping people without making them dependent, but doing it the way government does with no questions asked is not the route. this is what people have been asking for 100 years. ho: larry elder is bringing -- reading don't burn this country by david rubin.

david, st. petersburg, florida, thanks for holding your go ahead. caller: oh, my gosh, i get to talk to the great larry elder. a good friend of mine, joe bell, went to michigan with you and he ended up in a cbs correspondent. his major was journalism. when time we were sitting there watching you on tv and he said you were at the same as you were when he was in school with you in the 1970's. he said this guy has never changed. you are very articulate. i respect your candor, your christianity. my question is -- like what you decide about welfare -- jfk said that welfare was at hand up, not a handout. i believe, and i want to know if you believe this too, do you

believe that they -- if they didn't talk about racism so much, do you think we would having the subject all of the time russian market is just so sad -- it is common sense. some of the stuff they do is just beyond crazy. how do you get by every day dealing with that? host: we get the point. thank you. guest: morgan freeman said this years ago and regarding the welfare, fdr, the father of the new deal, even said that welfare was a social narcotic and the idea is to get people to be independent and self-sufficient and not get them to be dependent. there was a poll in l.a. in 1986 and people in poverty were asked -- do you believe welfare logons are a stepping -- welfare programs are a stepping stone or

do they create dependency. 41 percent said it was a crutch that created dependency. these are people on welfare, a large number of them telling you that this is taking away my initiative. host: very elder, is there a secret cabal of conservatives in hollywood and have you ever spoken with them? is that just a rumor? guest: there is an organization, the name of which i will not cite, of conservatives or niece -- or at least non-liberals. it started small and there are hundreds of people and we get together on time to time and talk. there are more people in hollywood that are conservative under the radar that you know. a lot of them are popular and if you know the politics they wouldn't be as popular pre-that is how oppressive this atmosphere is. my girlfriend of 20 years is a

recovering actress. now she is an interior designer. she does very well. she has friends who are actresses. one of them visited her from michigan and brought her daughter. her daughter look like sophia loren, this 13-year-old gorgeous deal who had -- girl who had done a lot of work in michigan the idea was she had to come to hollywood. they are in the room talking and i was doing something else. there were going to have a meeting with a major agency in hollywood. you have to be with one of the major agencies to make it. the hardest part is to get an agent and after that the rest is easier. i overheard the mother say that she is going to vote for donald trump in 2016 during the election. i got up and went into the room and said are you a trump supporter? she said yes. i said do not mention this

tomorrow at your meeting. she said why? i said you don't know anything about hollywood, and she said no. i said this is one of the most intolerant areas in the world. do not mention that you support donald trump. she called me and the girl was hired and she thanked me and she said for the first 10 minutes the agents sat around completing their own sentences of what an s ob donald trump was and if i had said i supported him she would not have been hired. host: from las vegas, please go ahead with your comment. caller: i was just curious -- i have been following you for years and i was just wondering how come you have not been on any of the top black shows for reviews? host: such as what #caller: -- such as what? caller: i have been watching on

youtube and i can't find one single interview you have done with the black american talkshow host that is not conservative and i am just curious why. guest: i have had a debate with roland martin before the election. i've been on tbs and interviewed on the radio show pretty owns a radio station in l.a. and i was on show. but by and large, i have to be invited. i have invited jesse jackson to gollum -- to come on my show 50 times they won't do it. has joy read invited me on her show? i think during the campaign she did come up with the reason we didn't do it was i had too many other things to do. i would be happy. all they have to do is invite me. host: very elder, he spent 25, 30 years on radio where people didn't see her face necessarily. he ran for governor of california.

what is your anonymity level these days? guest: these days i can't go anywhere without some of you recognizing me, airport, hotels. i was in des moines earlier yesterday and someone came up to me, and i'm sitting at the counter eating myself, a gentleman to my left and two people to my right, the one to my left said, mr. elder, i didn't want to say anything because i didn't want to intrude but i am a big fan. he is -- was in the army and we had a long conversation. his food came and i said, eat your food it is going to get cold and he said how often will i get to talk to larry elder. the couple next to me also knew me and they didn't say anything because they didn't want to be rude and we all took pictures. that is the level of fame. despite that, right before the election was over, i was a scotia under one million followers on twitter. -- i was a scosh under one

million followers and i have lost many. i have another social media that came to a dead stop. there is no question that conservative commentators and pundits are being shafted by facebook, instagram, and by twitter, and i am an example of that. but the question is what is your level of anonymity? i don't have any anymore. i've also been asked about unpleasant people, people who don't like you. in my 30 to 35 years of being a public figure, i have had 10 to 15 encounters were someone said something very nasty or vicious. you can sense when people don't like you but most people don't come up and insult you or are too polite to do that. i can with that. host: for the past two hours, our guest has been author and

talkshow host larry elder. we appreciate your time here on book tv. guest: thank you for having me. host: