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c-span radio and listen to washington journal, and important congressional hearings and public events throughout the day and weekdays at 5 p.m. and 9 p.m. eastern, watch washington today for a fast-paced report of stories of the day. listen to c-span anytime. powered by cable. [applause] >> hello. i'm amy driscoll, i'm the deputy opinion editor for the miami herald, very happy to be here today. welcome to the miami book fair, 2022, taking place online and in downtown miami at the campus at miami-dade college. i've been coming to the book fair for year, but as a second generation journalist, i'm thrilled to introduce the next two journalists and authors. tony is a co-host of cbs news,

and previously was a correspondent, and has written about marijuana legalization, digital privacy and second amendment from 2007-2013, news writer at daily beast. and the pirate and his son, a memoir he documented his father's exploits smuggling marijuanas during the 1970's and '80s. katy tur is the anchor of katy tur reports and new york times best seller, unbelievable, my front row seat to the campaign in american history. wonder what she's talking about. and walter cronkite award. ... all seen from a thousand feen

the air. her parents pioneered what became known as helicopter journalism and became famous for their aerial coverage of events such as the reginald denny beating the 1992 l.a. riots and o.j. simpson's notorious run in the white notorious run in the white bronco. sheco talks about her, good relationship with her father and she charge her own path from local reporter to globetrotting foreign correspondent running from her past. she also opens up about her struggles with the burnout and imposter syndrome come her stumbles in the anchor chair and her relationship with her husband here rough draft exports to get an courage that families ands of roles responsibilities of the news and asked the question to what extent do we each get to write our own story. i'm sure dinner conversations are fascinating. katy tur and tony dokoupil. [applause]

>> thank you very much. thank you very much, amy, as well. so appreciate you all you being here. people who suspectou it might be biased in journalism i can tell you that it is 100% accurate, at least in one respect. this is my wife. i think she is one of the most naturally gifted broadcasters on television. [applause] i think she is graceful and stylish writer. i think is one of the best ears and eyes for language, and i'm so happy that you -- >> you are going to make me cry. >> and that's a happy she's written a second memoir under the age of 40, which some would say is self-indulgent. because it brings back to

florida and to miami and to this book fair and this is where i'm from. i was here till the age of ten. love miami. [applause] b and with great memories here as a couple. the last time where we had just got married. >> last time we are sitting here. >> sitting here on the stage we had just had been married, and there were stories believe it or not even up to i do that we not shared with one another, and they were primarily stories about our own childhoods. she had yet to write this book and i got the stories along with all of you when she wrote this. >> oh, byme the way, i might've come with some baggage i didn't tell you about. >> so katie, i painted over to you to introduce the book as you see that. >> okay. so this book you probably know me from at least from unbelievable in the book about about the crisis campaign which

was my time covering lyndon johnson. [laughing] no. covering donald trump and 2015 in 2016, and one of the questions i got after that was, put politics aside, how did you do with that? how did you survive the campaign trail with all of the vitriol and anger, he would go after me? why did you leave? why did you go back to london where you are living? why did you stay on and choose to keep covering it? one of the answers is it's an incredible news story. how could you give up covering watching history unfold before your eyes? there's something deeply familiar about donald trump, and it was something that it didn't really know how to put into words, let alone get that an answer so let's look at writing the second book and what is going to write about, it was the middle of the pandemic and that question was lingering in my head. whynd did i stay on?

and the pandemic came a and i thought what am i doing? why am iis a journalist? what do i really want to be a journalist? i'm working cable news. and in making things worse for making things better? if i'm making things worse don't have a duty to get out of this? all of these thoughts were spinning in my head, a very dark place as we all were in an amount of the pandemic wondering what we're going to do with our lives. i'm talking to my husband to my mom sends this giant box in the mail, and inside the box, the size of a a microwave, and ine the box was a hard drive, like a giant hard drive, and it was so giant because it's filled with all of the videotape my parents shot and their 20+ years in the news business, every news story that every shot. they shot some real doozies, like madonnas p wedding to sean penn where she gives the bird to the helicopter. the riots, the o.j. simpson case, all of the aftermath of

the 92 northridge quake. every police pursuit you could imagine, at that also all of my childhood videos. so they used the new scammer like it was a camcorder, and every piece of my childhood was documented. >> there's also some questionable parenting that was on the hardenhe drive. it arrived i think it was christmas time and we sat down after the kids went to bed and we're looking at the tapes and they're all out of order and that was one where a horse has fallen into a ravine, and so there was kindd of an aerial rescue. katie and her brother are in the back of helicopter for a while and then there's a cut in setting up mom and dad are underground and the kids are nowhere to be found. we called her mother and we were like what happened next the kids are in a helicopter and then they worked. she said we left you with one of the neighbors. we put you on hill. you loved it. they gave you ice cream. >> dropped on a random door, can

you watch her kids? with the hike and disturbing. see yes, i was showing alternately, you know, me laughing and saying looky at his wild and crazy thing, and then you click on another big and it would be something very dark and ugly. i kind of seized up and it broke it and at that the way to get out of this, to explain to myself why i did 2016 and with a a should keep doing journalism was to figure out where i came from and to confront the things i did want to confront. it's hard, it's messy, it's complicated. it's also beautiful and joyous, and going through it it may be realize how much i loved journalism and the job that i'm doing and how important i think it is for all of us to continue to have hard-hitting journalists out there who are willing to keep doing the job in the face of all of the ugliness that we are currently experiencing. [applause]

>> do you want to read an excerpt from the book? the book have layers. if you're interested in stories of journalism, journalism history and that also journalism at the moment, there's that. there's also a lot of family stuff. inr, the beginning of particular the first third of the book is a very cinematic if you like miami let'syo introduce you to los angeles in n the '90s, and her mother and father built out of nothing a full-fledged video and helicopter journal, journalism operation. sort of like an american entrepreneurship, and it's incredible as the story. >> at one point my y dad walked into helicopter company. he's 25 years old, old, still less pimples. keys, beside the mother was pregnant with my brother, and there's me, and he said i want to lease a helicopter and the guy was like what you talking

about? he said can i lease a helicopter? do you have any cash? my dad said no. i doo have this business plan, presented the business plan and said she's the camera woman, pointing to my pregnant mother and they were like get out of here. what are you doing? and he went into another helicopter company and did it again and managed to get them to hand over $1 million helicopter to it. he had no pilots license, but it's a much chutzpah at the time that he went out and he convinced somebody at the los angelesto fire department to teh them how to fly, and he used that license along with my mom to cover news in los angeles in a way that nobody had done before. there had been helicopter is called helicopter, katie eley at a local station in l.a. but they use very seldom late and it was kind of a bit of a gimmick. they said the city is a giant. whenever we get to a news event it's over. the blaze is out and you really want to get the flames. a car crash, everyone has been

airlifted or ambulance out of there. how do we get there fast as we can see this happening in real time? we've got to do from the air. they built this business called los angeles news of service, and they changed journalism as we know it. and this is, at first it was for good, you could see these things happening in real time. they captured some videotape that held authorities accountable in a way that they had not beenbe held to account before. there was chp beating the living daylights out of a group of migrants what crossed the border just a few miles north of san diego, just beating them is terribly. and that would never have been seenen at my parents not been above it and helicopter and training the camera on it. it didou make him any friends ty could capture, they could hold authorities accountable in a y they hadn't been held before.t but also this is reality tv is news now.

theyur covered the first live police pursuit. not the first but the second. from top tos bottom, the guy ws a carjacking, murder, and this took the los angeles police department on a high-speed pursuit through all of l.a., up freeways, dead freeways, side street. >> sidewalks, curbs. >> as wildld video. did you get the license plate? >> cruel fate. >> so the capital thing in real time and the news director 91 or 90 92, business director had a decision to make. do i cut into a rerun of matlock, the station director, which did good numbers. or, and showed his police pursuit, or do i keep matlock on? at the time hee made the decisn to cut from matlock which is a big deal. it was a gamble and the next day the "l.a. times" was coming it and they said it was a marriage of tragedy -- >> and technology. >> and technology.

>> voyeurism. they called a voyeurism news and it was the beginning of the era when you could carry events alive, and it wasn't just an evening network broadcast it would be a 15-second live chat but the ongoing rolling live coverage of an event where you don't know at the time he did know those in the car, you did know what they've done, what their w motives were, they're a good guy, a bad guy, and you're just a voyeur. you are just observing. >> it'ss the context. >> is without context. and, of course, you could argue okay it's a o criminal, the cops on the side of good but the principle of taking the coverage without any information is the same principle that goes into taking any kind of like political event without any surrounding -- >> kind of stealing the fun of my point that i was -- >> go ahead, please. [applause] i am a man and i like to explain.

[laughing] >> our pillow conversations are a real joy. [laughing] anyway, so i mean it was reality tv, the rating scheme in the next day. it slaughtered matlock. it's a will. people couldn't get enough of his life pursuits and they started covering the more and more. news became sort of entertainment, reality tv version of what's going on around you. and you can draw a straight line to that lets just era without context because we can't take our eyes off of it to the with the cover political realities,, the way recovered a them in 2015 and 2016 where this is important, yes, but it's also, it needs context yes, sure, but we can't take her eyes off of it so let's just buried airl figure it out later. that's what we suffered from a in that time, and is part of how we areft dealing with the aftermath of what happened in 2016 and the way that it ate

away at trust in journalists and journalism, and we are trying to figure out how to work back toward that trust. it's very easy to lose trust and it's very, very difficult to earn it back. >> if i may interject. >> yes, please. [laughing] >> you are 100% right about that big national story but it's also good personal story about you and your rhizome relationship with your father and so the gifts he gave you, it's actually very moving. i remember mickey mantle supposedly had a father who threw baseballs added in the crib until littleby baby nicky learned to put a a hand up and that's howll you agree to basebl prodigy. i see she's of the most great and naturally gives television broadcast,he her father essentil did that to her. when she was little he would turn on the camera, turn on the microphone and he m would make r recount in life reporter form what happened during the day.

>> there's a video i have, instagram you can go find it of me when i was four years old, maybe even less. i was fouryeis to my dad has a e on and on standing on a sidewalk with my brother and he says to me and his report. i lookon at him and he says lika lady on the news. i look at him sideways again. he says like the lady on the radio, like k index. it dawned on me and i said that was a fire in san diego. fire broke out and all my friends with her and went to a party at mcdonald's. but it was the o beginning of being forced tore do these life reports on demand. we would be in the car and he would say to me a live report about what's happening on our drive to get pizza. for a long time it was very fun and then as i got to be a teenager got to be very annoying. but looking back it was the best, i mean the best training for the job i do now because i

found myself in situations in local news where you get to a story two minutes before the broadcast.ru because local news is run run run and they've been decimated financially. they just don't have the resources they need so please watch local news. it's good for everybody that we would get to -- [applause] >> inbreed local papers. "miami herald." [applause] >> we get to the story commenced before before the computer and say what's going on? look around and be like let you about what's going on. it was just observational. a lot of journalism is observational, painting a picture telling a story in building a narrative from where you are. there's a lot of that in this book. there's also a lot of humor. should've read the part about the vice president? >> yes, please. please read this part. so much ofd her identity besides being a generals can she was

raised in ana family of journalists. she's a fantastic journals and then become a mother, a parent, a white come all these other identities come in and compete. those identities collided in this anecdote. >> so i just given birth to my first son, teddy, and it was, as anybody who's going to birth, a dramatic experience which you're really not prepared for. you really don't understand what's happening. mine ended in an emergency c-section, and the aftermath of that was a lot. so i have just gotten home. this is five, four days after, five days afterm just gotten bk and i'm in the bathroom and i'm working up the courage to look down at once happened to me. and i have my phone in my hand. here, i i will start reading. this is chapter 16. it's kamala rightho after we arrived home from the hospital

my phone rang. as in the bathroom to get a moment alone sitting on the toilet lid breathing deeply and working up the t courage to look down at the mesh hospital briefs ikn just pulled around my knees. i knew was going to be ugly. i i wasn't sure i wanted to know how ugly. i didn't even know my phone was in my head until it started to flash and buzz. i don't know why i look at it, except for the distraction. i was looking for any reason on earth not to look down. so even though it was a 415 number, san francisco area code, city where i know nobody, i picked up. hello? i said. katie? the voice on the other side of the call sounded excited for me, like those about to be presented with the checks of your week for the rest of my life. yes? i said. the voice was iconic even the midway through the 2020 campaign for president, it was the voice of democratic candidate for the white house and senator for my home state of california, , the voice of the current vice president of the united states,

the voice of kamala harris. but it was dash it was a abour over there still hallucinating? also hallucinated and hospital. i was expecting the psych ward to show up and say are you okay? it took me a second to register what might be happening. i was groggy, half drugged, self pitying and the voice sing at the name by being out on a daytime show dash a talk show. i imagine oprah arms stretched out had tilted back there is this a joke? this has to be a joke. someone is printing me. hi, i said. i heard you had the baby. i just wanted to call and say congratulations. her voice was alive. it jumped out of the phone and danced around like a technicolor rainbow. oh, my god, it's really her. i said, still unable to do more than match the image of a soaking 12-year-old.

i did. i was a baby? how are you? i looked down. [laughing] inside the briefs was on map of god is folded up like an origami diaper, a catchall for what was still falling out of my uterus. ladies, youyo know. you think that when you push the baby out you push everything out, or you think if you have a c-section, like i did, they just mop it up before they so you backup. not so different fromre a dentit after the remove the tooth. but no. your body spent ten months building a home for another life and it takes weeks of that home to dislodge in pieces and flood out a swollen mississippi of bodily fluid. six weeks at least. i'm sorry, gentlemen. [laughing] i'm so sorry. but most of you are married and you get -- >> i forgot this vendor actually. i'm sorry i recommended. [laughing]

>> they do tell you this at a doctors visit, we read about about in some book with a contented god is on the cover, but nothing quite ready you for what actually comes out. they say it's like a really heavy period that is being cute aboutt it. what comes out is not cute. they would be blood. there will be tissue. there will be klotz, golfball size are normal. baseball sized are not. i thought about telling vice president harris the truth, making a joke of it all, telling her what i happen to be in the middle of doing. and maybe that would've been the right move but my professional filter kicked p in. it suddenly occurred to me that this was a work call. i've been covering this person one way or another. i would be covering this person when we are another once a got back to work pics i decided maybe i don't tell her about they carry movie in my pants. [laughing] maybe i keep upbeat, build a bridge, make a connection, the human, the t kind of human she

will agree to sit down to an interview with duringg the campaign, or really gets p to point, the white house. be nice, but be a reporter. i'm good, i said, trying to find a spare pair of excited. teddy is good. we just got back from the hospital. i felt like harris had opened a door by calling me but a set of walking through it i banged my head against the door frame. i was so flat, so lifeless. i was morse code to her technicolor rainbow. she must've noticed it because she begged off the call pretty quickly. okay, she said. well, i just wanted to say congratulations. good luck, talk soon. >> and have you ever interviewed kamala harris as vice president? >> no. >> i wonder why. [laughing] >> no. i've got just under the book and say excuse me. kelly talk about what really was going on? and then let's talk about paid parental leave while we're at it. [applause]

i immediately realized that i had failed a test my mother would've passed that she would've realized that why you might be taking some time off from the news business, the news business is never taking such time off from you. i was also fitted an affront to my father would have some are conquered. ipod nanos and looking to the next thing that is, never stopping, defined rules and regulation, risking life and limb. i wasn't going to be taking teddy up in a helicopter anytime soon but perhaps i should've been shooting video on social media. above the next anyway. anything to keep this niemi connected to the meat that existed out inn the world as a journalist but i was out of ideas and out of energy. i simply hung up and then sat there for a while longer forcing myself to look down. [applause] the other part of this book that i found useful to write down and

also i think it's worthwhile of a deeper conversation is the way that we cover a defense. the rallies but the way that we cover important news events and what we can do better as journalist. and because of o a lot of opinis on this, i'm sure you do at least. i'd love to hear them. in the book talk about but before i go on maternity leave, it is the end of the mueller investigation. the first special counsel now that we have a second special counsel investigating donald trump. [applause] so i'd covered trump since the beginning, and this felt like the end of something very and he wanted to be around to know the outcome. i'm ten months pregnant. i'm huge and they get an announcement that bill barr is going to release a summary of the weekend and just prepare for. it's going to be a summary of the results of the mueller

investigation.bo i barge into my bosses office and is a yet to put me on the air. giving any timeslot. we don't know when is going to come out, saturday or sunday at some point but they gave me a few hours in the afternoon on each day and it just happened that on sunday the summary came out. we got a warning about it, 30 minute heads up and so we tap danced up to the news and then we get the summit itself which is a four-page statement with one half direct quote from the actual report. as you know the statement was deeply misleading. there was a political statement but that's all we had to go on and so this is me on live television reading the statement without context, again without any of the idling, the context odyssey the investigation within having but without the context of the underlying of the evidence in an ally report. all we had, the and every other news organization, was this

political statement from a political appointee summarizing what an investigation said. we didn't know it was s misleadg until three weeks later when actual report came out. so the question is, we gave this document, the runway, to paint a picture about an investigation that was not true. to get the white house this when that they didn't earn, and that was bad for the public. it was bad for the country, but what do you do in that situation?gh we caught ourselves in the 24 hour news cycle, both on cable news but also on social media and in newspapers, these live blogs each of the speed of what's happening minute by minute. what do we do? this this is a conversation i have a lot because in the moment there was no other choice but to go with that lie because everybody else was going with her life. we could all decide to say we're not going to cover something until we know more about it, but

then fox news of breitbart or whatever gateway pundit, whatever, will say that they're not coming this because it's good for the president. so you're caught in this rock and ad hard place, to use bad cliché, with not being good for the public discourse, but also not having a choice to do it any differently. so we are in this moment right now where we need the publics buy-in and the publics critical thinking and critical eye in order to navigate this very complicated information atmosphere we live in m with social media and with 24 hour news and with our politicians ability to circumvent us. it's just very difficult, and we are all trying to figure out how to do it better.

and so my question to you guys is, do you know a better way to do this? the floor is open for questions, and if you have one, i would love to hear it. took that out of your hand. >> very good.d. wise choice. >> so i don't know if i have an answer, maybe just to add to the complication, is, you know, the "new york post" put them te bottom of the front page after the announcement, florida man makes an announcement, page 26. [applause] and if you read, i read part of that article which was just one little column on the left of page 26, and it talked about his, we don't know about his cholesterol, you know, and they described him as a man who plays

golf a lot. and that was basically speeded yeah, it was a very short blurb. >> very short blurb. so comparing that to what the press gave trump all that billions of dollars of free air time so that, so the question is, where do you feel you need to reside, junior, in that full-spectrum? >> listen, it's news that the former president is running again, 100%. that needs to be companies to be covered in context and we were not able to do in 2060 because we didn't have the foresight or not able to do because we do know the foresight. we can ask a donald trump twice impeached former president who is currently under investigation by the fbi and the doj is running for president again. and then we have come we can say that. we can talk about what the news that i get that comes the news,

the news of his speech, not necessary everything he says, even fox news cuts the way. we talked about this, the fields of republicans were either in or out andnd vote lawmakers are doing, the way they're reacting to it, what the donors are doing, what the friendly press is doing about it, the way they're reacting to, the "new york post" took something that's worthwhile. we also talk it means for congress and how the republican party and thehe democratic party legislate together going forward. what sort of hearing, how does kevin mccarthy -- they are the people in charge of legislation and then the money that we get as a country and the laws that are made, but we don't know and just cover it wall to wall for the sake of having it on the screen. >> thank you.

>> my name is roberto. first one so, so you guys are definitely a couples goal come so thankwo you. as someone who works in corporate media how do you view the rise of popularity interdependent and online media not just on the right wing? them newsmax right side broadcasting one american is but also from the left wing so you like the young turks, majority report secular talk. do you people that work in corporate media give them as a threat? dves in as more media the better. >> i don't think we getpo into t as a threat. corporate media has a certain implication. i don'tn'id consider myself worg for a big corporation in the sense that it's directing anything i say or any stories that i cover. kind of, it's misleading. people think podcast is coming. that's not the case.

but i think independent news outlets do a wonderful job, unlike propublica dozen credible journalism, and the more the merrier in that respect. >> anybody who can interest the public and current events i think is doing god's work. so whether you come from the left for the' right, if that's n entry point in for any number of the public to become interested in who is being elected and what they're trying to do, more power to them. >> all media is good, independent corporate whatever, make sure that you understand how they do their journalism, how they source, , what are the rules for sourcing information? what is in their rules for fact checking? how they are accountable to. >> the other think it's important understand about smaller more opinion driven news outlets on the left and the right is they are only able to exist because of larger sometimes denigrated as corporate media outlets are

funding actual reporting an actual difficult places on campaigns, in war zones, in disaster zones, finding things out the thinner fodder for conversation. that includes in a huge way newspapers and print media, the associate press, reuters, the "miami herald", all the other big papers. if i had to choose a world war i of them went away, the big guys, the little guys, i would choose theng little guys that i like living in the world were both exist because i think they feed one another. >> very symbiotic. >> thank you. >> one other thing, like the point of corporate media, yes, it is a moneymaking enterprise but because it's of money making enterprise its mission, its goal like cbs, abc for industry has a broad as possible audience and the virtue in america in having a news source that is attempting succeeding or fairly on some days are others, attempting to reachpp this spectrum as opposed to the spectrum of the spectrum.

[applause] >> the best thing about thehe lt two years as a we haven't had to listen to unfiltered trump go on and on, a national news. [applause] and last night i stumbled upon nbc streaming, and they had trump on from a conservative dinner in mar-a-lago where they gave him like ten minutes to thank all the people, you know, all the people that he supported and who support him. then they cut away and they said but we'll come back because we all are interested in hearing what he has to say about the special prosecutor. so then they cut back in and he did talk about them appointing a special prosecutor, and went on and on aboutbo how persecuted he has been and how he's given 11,000 pages of documentation,, they have everything on him. what do they keep asking for? i i finally had to turn off

because it was going on for too long, unfiltered. so i wee' are back and that's upsetting. >> hi, my name is barry. >> i don't know if that was a question.y i can't speeders i'm all for community meetinge, style. statement or questions is fun. >> no, i have a question. i won't make us today. this is not meant to be a gotcha question but i think the most important thing i have been listening to is keith olbermann and his podcast. i'm not doing, saying because of your situation. what you think of his podcast? do youou think it is as great ai do. >> ironnet listenth to it but there's a keith olbermann anecdote in the book. haven't listened. >> please listen to. just one episode. it's great. i wish everybody would. >> my name is paul johnson. actually i was in immediate about 25 years ago.

i'm every senior producer for moneyline and i got out of that business and the u.s. attorney, not the u.s. attorney, but you asked like how do you solve what are some suggestions for, i guess, moving forward. i don't kno' if there is. how do you compete with social media that is not there to inform because there to get you back. like the old batman, same bat channel, same bat time, just come back. i don't really know how you do it. it can't be mcneil lehrer one undecided when this site. no one is going to watch. >> i think part of it is, first of all, let's all poor went out for twitter whilewh we're here. >> yeah, right. [laughing] >> i think part of it and it had these conversationss recently, but is just where we think the other person that we're talking to is coming from. if they see something we don't agree with or we find offensive

or isn't, isn't, you know, in line with what is acceptable today, or if you want to say accurate, assuming that the person i think there's a knee-jerk reaction to assume that the person is a bad actor, or you know, angry or mean or trying to do something nefarious, and enough talking about politicians. i'm talking about every day, your neighbors, your friends, yourin relatives. i think would be good for all of us to assume that the person you are speaking to sticky them on social media is not a bad person, this may be to somebody youe need to have a more calm conversation with to understand where they're coming from and you can tell them where you're coming from, and just have a dialogue that we w have been abe to have because everybody believes that the person they're speaking with is of the devil, and we are not. we're all americans that were trying to make the country as good as it possibly can be, and we are all dealing with a lot of

everyday junk in our lives, and we all are getting information from now different sources. somef of it reliable and some f it not reliable, but it's worthwhile trying to find common ground in trying to find a way to speak to each other again. and they think it's great that twitter is falling apart. i mean, twitter has been good for a lot of things -- [applause] it's done a lot of good in the world. it's enabled a lot of people to come together and to push back against violent regimes. it's done, it'ss opened the word up to a dialogue but it's also more recently beenry very angry and mean and divisive. and so my advice to everybody would be to log off, if you haven't already, log off facebook. maybe to go on instagram is like pictures of dogs and cuts, baby photos. then instead if you get into a conversation with somebody, try

not to assume that they are a bad person. try to talk to them. >> and it somebody were to deliver a news program that is substantive but maybe a little boring or dry, maybe it's good for you, i don't know. in the uk, the bbc is quite boring and have culture of the news is vegetables up there, and we don't have culture of the news is vegetables. we havee culture of the news is bright and shiny and happening now as you look away you'll miss the most amazing thing. it's going to be bloody, funny, exciting. i wish as a person worked in journalism that it was a little bit more, less entertainment and more kind of, you know, miami dade college, like it's an education. [applause] >> well, thank you all. that was a wonderful conversation for another round of applause for our authors.

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