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america: farewell tour. our class, trauman transformation in an american prison and the greatest evil is war. join with yo cments, facebook comments and tweets. in depth with chris except at noon eastern on book tv on c-span2. >>. [applause] hello. i'm amy driscoll, opinion editor omfor the miami herald and i'm happy to be here today. welcome to the miami book fair 2022 taking place in downtown miami on the wilson campus miami-dade college. i've been coming to the book fair myself for years but as a second-generation journalist real changes these next tojournalists and authors . tony dokoupil is a cohost of cbs morning and anchors the left on the cbs news stream

network and was a correspondent at the cbs news sunday morning contributor. as a correspondent for cbs news is written about marijuana legalization, digital privacy is . from 2013 he was a senior writer at newsweek and the daily beast. tony dokoupil is also the author of a daily pirate, father, son n in which he documents his father's exploits smuggling marijuana in the 70s and 80s. katy tur is the editor of the katy tur report, the author of unbelievable: my front row seat to the craziest campaign in american history and recipients of the 20 17th walter cronkite or for excellence in journalism. she writes about heher volatile california childhood

punctuated by earthquakes and police chases seen from about the in the air. parents pioneered what became known as helicopter journalism and became famous for their coverage of the original dvd and o.j. simpson's notorious run in the light bronco. tur talks about her complicated relationship with her father and she charts her to foreign correspondent running from her house and opens up about her struggles with burnout and in foster syndrome, personal anchor chair and relationship with her husband. rough draft explores the gift and curse of family legacy, the responsibilities of the house to what extent we get our own story? i'm sure the dinner conversations are passc. katy tur and tony dokoupil. [applause]

>> thank you very much. thank you amy as well. so i appreciate all you being here . people who suspect there might be biased in journalism i can tell you this, it is 100 percent accurate in at least one respect. this is my wife. i think she is one of the most naturally gifted broadcasters ontelevision . [applause] i think she is a grateful and stylish writer. i think she has one of the best years and eyes for language i'm so happy. >> you're going to make mecry . >> and i'm so happy she's written a second memoir under the age of 40 which someone as it is self-indulgent. because it brings me back to florida and to miami and this

book fair this is where i am from. i was here in miami, chicago bay. we have great memories here as a couple. last time we were here we had just gotten married. we had just been married. and there were stories believe it or not even up to not shared e had with one another and they were primarily stories about our own childhood it was all in a book i had swritten and she had yet to write this book and stories along with all of you towhen she wrote this. >> by the way, i might have come with some package. >> so i'll hand it over to you to introduce the book as you see fit. >> this book, you probably know me from unbelievable and the book i wrote about the

craziest campaign was my time covering lyndon johnson. [laughter] covering donald trump in 2015 and 2016 and one of the big questions i got after that was politics aside, how did you deal with that? how did you survive the campaign trail with all the vitriol and anger ? why did you leave, leading to go back to london d, why did you stay on and choose to keep covering it at one of the answers is is an incredible news story and how could you orever watering history and full before your eyes but the other is there was something deeply familiar about donald trump and it was something i didn't really know how to put into words, let alone get back as answers and when i was looking at writing the second book and what i was writing about i was in the middle of the pandemic and that question

was lingering in my head and the pandemic and i was like, what am i doing west and mark do i really want to be a journalist? i'm making things worse ngfor making things better if i'm making things worse don't i have a duty to get out this and all these things were swimming in my head in a dark place in the middle of the pandemic lkwondering what are we going to do with our lives talking to my husband my mom says this giant box in the mail inside the box the size of a microwave, inside the box was a harddrive , like a giant hard drive and it was so giant because it was filled with old videotape my parents shot in her 20 year in the news business. every news , story they shot they shot some doozies. madonna's wedding to sean penn where she gives birth in helicopter. o.j. simpson j's, all the aftermath of the north ridge,

every police pursuit you can imagine and also all my childhood videos. they use the news camera like it was a camcorder so every piece of my childhood was documented. >> it arrived i think it was christmas time and we sat down after the kids went to bed we were looking at tapes and they're all out of order. there's one where a horse and fully into a ravine. ariel rescue katie and her mother helicopter for a while and thought and suddenly mom and dad were on the ground and the kids are nowhere to be found. we call her mother and said what happened there, just t after . oh, we left you with one of the neighbors. you loved it. they gave us three. >> office at around 's house

and said we got to hike down this ravine. i was showing tony and it was ultimately me laughing and saying look at this while and crazy thing and click on another video and it would be something dark and ugly. i see some down and thought the only way to getthis , to explain to myself why i did 2016 and weather as you keep doing journalism whwas to figure out where i came from and confront things i didn't want to confront so it's messy, complicated, is also beautiful and joyous and it made me realize how much i love journalism at the job doing and how important i think it is for all of us to continue to have our journalists out there wanting to keep doing the job and face all the ugliness that we are currently experiencing. [applause]

>> do you want to read an excerpt from the book? if you're interested in journalism history and also journalism of the moment there's . along family stuff beginning, the first third is very there and like miami, let's introduceyou to los angeles in the 90s . her mother and father built out of nothing of full-fledged video and helicopter journalism operation been sort of this american entrepreneurship and it it's an incredible story. >> at one point my dad walks into a helicopter company, he still has to. he designed another who is pregnant with my brother and me and says i want to lease.

the ice is what you'retalking about ? do you have any cash and my dad said number he had his business plan and presented the business plan and she's a woman pointing to my mother and causes what are you doing in another company again managed the handover of million-dollar. he had no pilots license but he has so much. at the time that he convinced somebody at the los angeles fire department to teach them how to fly and liuse that license along with my mom to cover news in a way that nobody had done before. that helicopter, casey la had but they used it seldom was a gift. they said the city is giant. whenever we get to thenews events before . the fire lays out and you want to get the plane.

a car crash, everyone has been airliftedout there . all the harassers we can see what, we got from the year so that this business call los angeles news service and change journalism as we know it. at first it was for good, we can see these things happening in real-time capture the that tell authorities accountable away they had not been held to account before e. there was this chp being the living daylights out of the group of migrants thwho had cross the border a few miles north of san diego, just being terribly tand that would never have been seen had my parents not been about it with a helicopter. it didn't make them make friends . the whole authorities will always and then household before this is reality tv

news now. they covered the first e police pursuit and from top to bottom carjacking and they took the police department on a high-speed pursuit through all of la relays, down freeways. there's while video of this red cabriolet with, what was the license plate? >> cruel fate. >> they catch the whole thing in real-time. the news director had a decision to make, do i cut into a rerun of matlock which did good numbers or do i keep matlock on it at the time he made the decision into matlock and the next day the "l.a. times" is covering it and they said it was a marriage of tragedy and technology.

>> they called it voyeurism. it was the beginning of the era when you can carry events live land it wasn't just an evening network broadcast where there would be a 15 live shot but there was ongoing ruling coverage of an event wwhere the time you didn't know who was in the cabriolet. you didn't know what they had done, what their motiveswere, where they guy or a bad guy at your of labor without context . of course, you are you obviously criminal, bad, cops alongside good principle of taking coverage without any information is the same principle that goes into taking any line political events. >> your stealing the thunder of the point i was going to make. >> i am a man and i like to explain.

>> our fellow conversations or areal joy . anyway, it was reality tv. it slaughtered matlock, it did so well. people started covering these events more and more at the news came sort of entertainment, a reality tv version of what's going on around you and you can draw a straight line that because we can to the way we cover political rallies or the we cover them in 2015 or 2016 where this is important, but it also needs context. we can't take our eyes off of it b. and we will figure it out later and that's what we suffered from in that time that is part of how we are dealing with the aftermath of what happened in 2016 and the way that it away trust

journalists and journalism trying to figure out how to work back towards that trust. it's easy to lose trust and is very difficult to earn it back. >> it i may interject. >> please. >> your writing about that big national story but there is a good personal story about you and your rise and your relationship with your father and gets the you that are actually very moving. i remember mickey mantle supposedly have father who threw baseball in the grid until the mickey learn to plan and that's how you breathe a baseball prodigy. one of the greatest naturally gifted television broadcasters, her father essentially did that to her and she was a little tight. you will turn on you and make her recount in live recorder form what happened during the day.

>> a video, i have on the ramp up me when i was four years old, maybe even less. my dad has a camera on the standing on the sidewalk with my brother and use it me a news report. like the leon news and i look at him sideways. the rate leon radio. and it on the money i said was a fire in san diego. a fire and all my friends were there and we went to a party atmcdonald's . but it was the beginning of being forced to do these live reports on the. we would be in the car and he will say to me on live for what was happening on our drive to get pizza. for a long time it was very fun as i teenager be very annoying. looking back, it was the best

. the best training for the job that i do now because ican , i found myself in situations in local news where you get to a story minutes before the broadcast because local news is run run run and they been decimated financially so these watchlocal news . it's good foreverybody . but we would get to and read local papers, miamiherald . we get to a story two minutes before, they would come to you and say what's going on and you have to look around and say let me tell youwhat's going on is observational . a lot of journalism is observational. taking a picture, building a narrative of where you are so there's alot of that in this book . there's also a lot of humor. should i read the part about the vice president? >> yes, please read this part so much of her identity is tied to being a journalist.

she's a fantastic journalist then you become a mother, a parents, a wife, all these other identities . those identities collided in this active. >> i have given birth to my first son kenny. it was as if anybody has given birth to a traumatic experience which you are not really prepared for and you don't understand what's happening mine and he in an emergency c-section at the aftermath of that wasa lot . so i just got an old. this is four days after or five days after, i just gotten back in the bathroom and i'm working encourage you down. at what has happened to me. and i have my phone in my hand , i'll start reading. it's kamala!

i was trying to get a moment t alone, breathing deeply and working encourage to look down at the next hospital bracelet i pulled around my knees. i was going to be ugly . i wasn't sure i want to know how ugly. i didn't know my phone was in my head until it started to flash buzz. a okay except for the distraction. i was looking for any reason not to look down even though it was a form five number, san francisco,. hello, i said. katy, the voice on the other side of the call sounded excited for me, like was going to be presented with checks every week my life. yes, i said, the voice was even then. it was the voice of democratic candidate for the white house and senator lucy, the voice (ice president, the

voice of kamala's but was it her or was i still hallucinating? i also hallucinated at the hospital, i have the site work show up and say are you okay. to register what was . i was self being in the voice saying out in what the ow announcer of the time talkshow. i imagined, arms stretched out, and tilted back. this has to be a joke. someone is pranking me. i heard you had a baby. i wanted to call and extend my congratulations. her voice was alive, danced around me like a technical rainbow. it's really her. yeah, i said, being unable to

match the energy ofassaulting 12-year-old . how is the baby, how are you? i looked down. inside the bridge was a that gauze orfolded up like origami paper, cash was still pulling my uterus. you think when you push the baby out you push everything out for you. if you have a c-section like idid they just it up before they so you . not so different from this afternoon will to but no. your body spent 10 months building a home for another life and it takes weeks for home to dislodge and flood down a swollen mississippi of bodily fluids. i'm sorry gentlemen. so sorry. but most of you are married and you get. >> i forgot this was in there, i'm sorry i recommended it. >> they do tell you at a

doctor's visit or you read about it in some book with a contented goddess on the cover but nothing readies you for what comes out. they say it's like a heavy period. that's being cute about it. what comes out is not cute. there will be blood, there will be tissue, golf ball size, baseball size or not. i thought about telling vice president here is the truth, telling her what happened to the in the middle of doing maybe that would have been the right move but my professional filter kicked in and it occurred to me this was a work call. i've been covering this person at one way or another i will be covering this person once i got back to work so i decided maybe don't tell her of the carry movie in my pants. maybe i keep it up the top make a bridge, build a connection, the human.

kind of human you'll agree to sit down with you with if it comes to it at the white house. the nice be our order. i'm good, i said trying to find a spare peril of excitement. we just got back from the hospital. i felt like harris opened the door calling the ipad against the doorframe. i was so flat, i was lifeless. i was morse code to particular rainbow. she got the call quickly. okay, i just wanted to say congratulations. good luck, talk soon. >> have you ever interviewed kamala harris as vice president? >> no. >> i wonder why. >> i've got to send her a copy of the book and say this what went on and then let's talk about paid parental leave while we're at it.

i immediately realized i had failed the test my mother would have passed. she would have realized while you might be taking g some from that his business, the news business is never taking time off from you. is also failing from here uemy father was somehow conquered. my father was never stopping to find rules and regulations, risking life and limb. taking k perhaps i should have been shooting video for social media. anything deepest knew me connected to the world as a journalist i wasideas and energy . on the and sat there a while longer forcing myself to look down. [applause] the other part of this book that i found useful

to write down and also i think it's worth a deeper conversation is the way that we cover the events and that's not just rallies but the way we cover important news events and what we can do better as journalists. i know you guys have a lot of opinions on this. i'd love to hear them. in the book i talk about before i go on maternity leave it the end of the meuller investigation, now that we have a second counsel investigating donald trump so i covered donald to the beginning and this felt like o that and something they and i wanted it, i want to know and i 10 months pregnant. i'm you get an announcement that bill barr will release a summaryof the weekend .

and i barged into my bosses office and i say you got me on the air over the weekend. give me a gave me a few hours each day and so haven't on sunday the nisummary came out. we got a warning about it we introduce and get summary itself wishes the four-page statement with one half direct quote from the actual report and as you know, the statement was deeply misleading. it was a political statement but it's all we have to go on so this is me on live television reading the statement without context, a movie underlying ... without the context of the underlying report or the intelligence . and all we had, me and every other news organization was this political statement from

a political appointee summarizing what an investigation said. we didn't know it was misleading until three weeks later when the report cameout so the question is , we gave this document the runway to paint a picture about an investigation that was not true . to give the white house this win that they didn't earn. and it was bad for the public . it was bad for the countrybut what do you do with that situation ? we caught ourselves in this 24 hour news cycle on cable news but also news media and in newspapers, these life blogs getting up to the scene of what happened. this is a conversation anyou and i have a lot because in the there was no choice but

to go with life because everybody else was going with h that line. we could decide where to cover something until we know more about it but then fox news or breitbart or whatever, gateway pundit or whatever will say they're not covering this because it's good for the president so your point in this rock and a hard place to use a bad clichc with not being good for the public discourse but also not having a choice to do it any differently. so we're in this moment right now where we need the public's buy-in and the public's critical thinking and critical eye in order to navigate this very complicated information atmosphere we live in with social media. 24 hour news and with our politicians ability to circumvent that. it's just very difficult and we're all trying to figure out how to do it better.

so my question to you guys is do you know a better way to do this? the floor is open for questions and if you have one i would love tohear it . took that out of your hands. >> very good, wise choice. >> i don't know if i have any answer. maybe just to add to the complication. the new york post put it on the front page after the announcement, florida man makes announcement. page 26. and i read part of that article which was just a wonderful column on the left of page 26 and it talked about we don't know about his cholesterol and they described him as a mman who

plays golf a lot. and that was basically ... >> it was a very short blurb. >> comparing back to what the press gave trump, all that billions of dollars in free airtime. so the question is, where do you feel you need to reside in that full-spectrum? >> it's news that the former president is running again, 100 percent. that needs to be covered but it needs to be covered in context away we couldn't in 2015 because we didn't have the wforesight. we can now say donald trump, twice in peace were currently under investigation by the fbi and doj is running for president again. we can say that we can talk about the news value that

comes out of his speech, not necessarily everything hesays . and then we talk about the field of republicans who are in or outand lawmakers, what the donors are doing, how they are reacting to . iswhat the friendly press is doing, the way they are reacting to the new york post and also talking about what it means congress out of a party and democratic party legislates together going forward. what hearings there are, how is kevin mccarthy navigate it, there are these newsy questions because they're in charge of legislation and the money that we get asked our country and all authority but we don't go and just cover it wall-to-wall. for the sake of having it con the screen . >> thank you.

>> my name is roberto velez, first of all i want to see you guys are definitely a couples goal. as someone who works in media how you view the rise of the notches on the right wing newsmax, one american news but also on the left, secular talk, do you view people that work in corporate media as a threat, as well, >> i don't view anybody as a threatta. i think corporate media has a sort of implication. i don't consider myself working for our big corporation in theersense that it's direct and anything i say or any stories 'that i cover . and i think that's kind of misleading. people think comcast is coming in saying katie, covered this and not that. that's not the case but i

think news outlets you wonderful job and propublica does incredible journalism and the more themerrier respect . >> a entrenched in current events is doing god's work where you're coming from . to make any member of the public interested in the selectedwhat do you more power to them . >> it's good, independent, corporate whatever. make sure you understand how they do this work. how the source, what are the rules for sourcing information. what are the rules for fact checking? how their counsel. >> the other thing that's important is about smaller, s more independent news outlets on the left and right is they are only able to exist because larger, as you media

outlets are funding actual recording in actual difficult places on campaigns, in war zones and disaster zones finding things out broader conversation and that includes interviews way newspapers and print media the miami herald, all the other dictators. if i had to choose a world where one of them went away, be guys or little guys i choose a world in which they exist because they each other . >> the point of corporate media, yes, it's on moneymaking enterprise but because of the money making enterprise mission, it's bowl like eds or nbc is the broadest possible audience at their urging america and a news source is attempting, succeeding or available on sundays or others in attempting to reach this pp spectrum as opposed to this fact from.

[applause] >> the best thing about the last two years is we haven't had to listen to unfiltered trump go on and on on national news. [applause] last night i stumbled upon nbc streaming and they had trump on from a conservative did in mar-a-lago and they gave him 10 minutes to thank all the people and they cut away and said we will come back because we only are interested in hearing what he has to say about the special investigations so then they come back in and he did talk about them appointing the special prosecutor and went on and onabout how persecuted he has been . and now he's given 11,000 pages of documentation, they have everything on him and i

finally had to turn it off because it was going on for too long unfiltered. so i think we are back and that's upsetting. >> i don't know if that was a question. >> i'm all for humidity meeting styles. statements or questions are fine. >> i'll ask a question, iwant to make a statement . it's not meant to be a check question but the most important thing i've been saying to his key olberman's podcast. what doyou think of his podcasts, the think it's as great as i think it is ? >> i haven't listened to it either but there's a key olberman an t. >> parted me. >> i was in the media 25 years ago.

i got out of that business and now i'm a us attorney. you asked how do you solve or what are some suggestions. i don't know that there is ? i'm not a defeatist but how do you compete with social media that is not there to inform, it's there to get you back like the old man, same back channel, same time. i don't know how you do it. it can't be mcneil lehrer, along the side, on the other watch. >> first of all let's all pour one out for twitter while we're here. no, i think part of it and i have these conversations recently but it's just where we think the other person we're talking to is coming from.

if they say something we don't agree with or we find offensive or isn't in line with ouwhat's acceptable today. or if you want us say effort, assuming the person ... there's a knee-jerk assumption to assume the person is a bad actor or angry or me or trying to do something nefarious and i'm not talking about politicians . i'm talking about every fday, your neighbors, your friends, your relatives. it would be good for all of us to assume the person you're speaking to or on social media is not abad person . maybe somebody you need to have a more calm conversation with and you can tell them where you're coming from and have a dialogue that we haven't been able to have because everybody believes the person speaking with is the devil. and we're not, we're all americans and were trying to make the country as good as

it can possibly be we're all dealing with everyday jump in our lives and we all are getting information from now different sources. some of it reliable and some of it not reliable but it's worth while trying to find common ground and trying to find a way to each other again. i think it's great that twitter is falling apart. there has been good for a lot of things. it's not a lot of good oral. if anyone a lot people to come together and to push back against violence regimes. it's all in the world up to a dialogue is also more recently been very angry and mean and divisive. so my advice to everybody would be to log off if you haven'talready . long off facebook, maybe if you go on instagram just like pictures of dogs and cats,

baby photos and if you're getting into a conversation try not toassume there person . try to talk erto them. >> and if somebody were to deliver a news program based on extensive but maybe a little boring or dry, maybe it's good for you, i don't know. in the uk the bbc is quite boring and have a culture that the news is that souls there and we don't have a culture of the news as specials. we have used as bright and shiny and if you look away from this most amazing day. i wish as a person who worked in journalism that was alone more ... less information and more miami-dade college. it's an education. [applause] >> thank you all, that was a wonderful conversation. another round of applause for our authors.

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