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>> ladies and gentlemen up next, begging for oil. please welcome the third secretary of the interior and chairman of the asp ai center for american freedom, david barnhart. from idaho owner brad little. from montana congressman ryan zinke and your host president of the us gas and oil association, jim stewart. [music] >> good morning everybody. it's great to be with you. my name is tim stewart. we represent most of the

small independent oil and gas producers in the united states or as i like to say that people who do all the no rest , do all the work get none of the credit and take all of the crap. i'm honored to be on stage with these great americans to talk about energy dominance and energysecurity with that i like to .jump right into it . talking with congressman zinke if it is all right. when you were secretary the term energy dominance became really the mantra for the department and i'm curious as to what your thoughts are with regards to what we had at the time, how we got there right now and what we might do. >> out to you how the term energy dominance came about and i was in the white house with president trump and a we're at $8 million barrels a

day and a day and declining but i that we can go to 12 , we can beat russia and i 1 think cwe can dominate the board and he looks at me and saidenergy dominance, he loves i. so look , as a nation when i came in we were 8.3 million barrels a day. in two short years we were 12.5 million barrels a day and morals are just energy producer. neand it has consequences. first of all you look at the environment. it is better to produce energy in this country under our regulation than watching it yet producedoverseas . undisputed. so if you really care about the environment you want to make on america because we do it better, more efficiently hands-down the seal, i spent most of my adult life fighting on foreign shores for someone else's energy and believe me i've seen a lot of bad things in my life . and i think it's unmoral to be able to send our troops over seas to fight for

someone else's energy when we had here. [applause] and lastly we talk about manufacturing in america and this is the irony of the ev world and i'm sure i don't want to speak for dave but for all of the above we are made in america but discuss the affordable, reliable abundant. look at the ev world, just when we become energy dominance capable in this country where we don't have to be vulnerable to foreign nations for energy needs all of a sudden we're making a transition with the ev without lookingat the supply chain . where is cobalt coming from o? where is lithium coming from, who owns manufacturing and processing, lighting, china. so i only some of us in the audience lived through opec in the 70s when we all of a sudden became vulnerable to

foreign neentities for energy, now were doing the same thing for ev. so we can't figure out the supply chain front where it's been manufactured and then on n the back and, what are we going to do with when the battery is through its lifecycle. 90 percent the way of solar cells are being deposited in landfills across this country, not recycled, what are we going to do with areas, whose line when you buy a tesla ui married to or just someone else habit? looking at the supply chain and vulnerability, this is why fossil fuels are so important because we own the supply chain and if we do it right , america will profit . >> and i turn to you as a public lands date i think your 50 percent owned by the federal government. and it's a horrible landlord i understand.

i don't think americans really appreciate what it's like to have the federal government as your lord and overseer . tell us about idaho and your energy ability and what is possible if the federal government were toget out of the way . >> the congressman talked about cobalt and the largest globalreserves are in idaho . actually have one line open that we're trying to do another one but they're taking baby steps. the regulatory hurdles that both of these secretaries were lowering went up disproportionately faster at the end of this new administration. dave and i were talking backstage that there's so much work that needs to be done from a regulatory endpoint. idaho is the least regulated state in the nation. my first year for every new regulation i got rid of 40 and today we have zero-based regulations . [applause] reason idaho is growing so fast is because we

free those regulatory odds for the smallest individual entrepreneurs to the largest company to be successful, just the opposite of what the er federal government is doing right now so the big ask, water act, clean air act, endangered species act, the reform that needs to take place there and every one of those was passed with good intentions but administrations in different justice department's different lawsuits have made them where they're totally unworkable. and dave was doing more to change that around and got interrupted prematurely on a very rice path so all of us to make the federal estate work, to make energy independence, to make critical minerals available need to be focused like a laser on reducing regulatory prescription going forward. >>. [applause]

>> i don't think americans realize that the unitedstates is the world's only energy superpower . we are the production in oil and natural gas, for coal and nuclear and the second in wind and solar and it would not have happened between the time 2016 when we our industry and to coordinate with the governor's with the interior to get to that point. we are an energy superpower and we are at risk of losing david, give us an idea of what the federal asset is like, what the potential and typically is and what is the rest if we do this long? >> i was lucky to work with the cemetery and president trump and what they did is in the early 2000's, fracking and other technological innovations fueled by entrepreneurship led to a dramatic increase in production on energy. on private lands. and in 2016, when the

election took place, secretary zinke, president trump and myself and many others took the model and success that had been on private lands and drove it forward on federal lands and we have a tremendous federal mineral and energy wealth, tremendous and what you see is within a few years, 2019, 2020 and incredible increases . and now we have that you leases. we have a very small number of permits coming out of a very small time they return to die. ythe great thing about that in my opinion is that means we can with a few important criteria unleash that energy potential. what it takes is a strong executive who sees the vision

of energy dominance. it takes leaders who are willing to charge up the hill to drive change and what we have to recognize this time around is the bureaucracy thinks they have completely one with this current administration. they have one. so the fight going forward in the next administration to drive change will require more aggressive action, more thoughtful action and stronger spines reof steel. thank you secretary zinke for allowing me to drive that team forward. >> that's a great point. there's a lot of risks for somebody who wants to leave a career to go back to work for the federal government a political appointee and you're up against a calcified bureaucracy . what are some of the things, what's the advice?

how do you make this work? >> i spent a lot of time in your accuracy and what i've recently done is lay out what i believe is a roadmap that will come out in may of how to be an effective political appointee but here's the real recipe and asyou hear the speakers, this is something you should think about . it starts with a leader who's willing to lay out a vision, the consistent with. it's needed for the executive to be consistent in their policy direction and not whether under a little bit of fire esand they have to put strong people in place and those people have to understand the protocols and have the willingness to do the work all buying in to whatever the president ideology is the other side is effective in all of us need to take lessons we want to policy action for. >> we were talking about this

backstage, the biggest rest for our industry is the intent intentional oldbanking , the seizing up of capital with intent to make the ability not to do our work and yet the state is pushing back because they realize the financial risk to yourpension and investment fund, but elaborate on that . >> we put in a provision i think we were the first or second state and i signed that out investments bwhether they be in our pension fund or other downward that they can use est but i was in a previous life on a bank board and i saw the strong word extortion by these groups to give these rankings and they literally, there's no in between. they say if you do ask and pay me why you will get this

ranking and is nothing but extortion. i was delighted that we were talking about this week vanguard came out and said we're not doing that anymore. and good for them because internal rate of return is what matters. it is very hard if you have a pension fund or an endowment to particularly with inflation the way it is to get any kind of return and anything that reduces that return means your pension funds, your endowments at sarah will not meet that long-term unless you are freed up to divers if i in companies based on their internal rate of return and profitability. profit is not a bad word. [applause] >> that's what keeps us in business as the saying goes to congressman, your back.

where very happy for that. we're back in republican hands. >> a lot of people are happy including my wife sometimes. >> it's nice to have this me sobering end, nice to have a chapter balance. from your perspective as a republican in the house, what can, what do you see going t forward as the opportunity to kind of bring balance back to energy policies mark. >> where i think we are in the country today the house is the last line of freedom. we don't have control of the senate, don't have control of the administration so house as you know we went through the speakers we. and the house was a little contentious but i'm actually an optimist. if we work together in the house republican caucus we can provide checks and balances what we face west ncparticularly is i know they

can't get anything through bylaw are going to try it by rule and there areawful rules . for those that don't follow, imagine the federal government taking jurisdiction over water and all intermittent streams and whirlpools for montana that's about 90percent . florida i would say it's only in the high 90s at the federal jurisdiction over water on you know we're in. congress can and should and will do is wield the 100 percent remember congress if we stay together, we need 218 hard, strong voices. if we stay together we can defund the worst of it. doesn't mean where to change the law but i mean stripped

the money where they don't have anymoney to think about it,study it , execute it , enforce it . were going to put it on the sidelines and other things that we can but it only works in from a military perspective is hard to advance when you have inside of their because we are the last line is only effective if we work together and there's going to be disagreements and agreements ultimately we have to agree as caucus because the consequence of being divided maybe the very country so i appreciate everyone's support but i'm actually an optimist because what i saw was winning his muscle memory i saw recently congress is passing bills but it's helpful to get to know your colleagues. the last four years i've never served in the minority.

and in the montana senate or elsewhere. it must be awful because you watch what happened in the house last four years, no day meetings anything real and automatically dismissed. love nancy policy is over but it was awful hard. i optimist but lastly i'll say this. i've been to a lot of battles in my life. and i can tell you not every commanding general is george s patton cause generals don't win wars. the frontline wins wars. that's how america has always been the frontline is you. so we all got to do our part. >> governor, what's your view of how the state operates? >> dave and i were talking about what we need to put in

that you administration when we will be successful. fast. it is the old classic of turning a battleship but if you have a plan to turn the before you to call the way. that's what we need to do is plan and be ready to take over. the contrast is because i know i'm next to california for the reason i'm the fastest-growing state is about all these refugees moving out of oregon, washington and i go in to idaho. you don't need to come here, we've got plenty we are the fastest growing statement contrasts, we were in old-time contrast particularly utah, wyoming and montana) washington and california be greater. more freedom, lower taxes,

lower rules, lower relations everything that cpa c stands for is omnipresent in those eight and absent in the other three blue states. >> there's a lot to be optimistic about about the capacity to generate energy, immediate family, and you understand this and he worked with. i optimist and understanding of what is still capable what's out there in terms of oil and gas. >> the resources we have are extensive. absolutely expensive. and one of the things that we can look at is access. to existing areas. enhanced access to existing areas. access to new areas. there is also the beauty of technological innovation. that is making the environment impact less. while the extraction of the

resources is enhanced. so today we're actually producing more energy with a smaller footprint and where doing it better and more environmentally responsibly and anywhere in the world. that's why i believe our vision is so radically above the vision that secretary zinke just described. let's ask other places for our mineral development, energy potential lower environmental standards lower health and safety standards and not reap the benefits of having that secure supply home at the economic productivity that comes with it. it doesn't meet any rational

test of anyone. that is why at the end of the day it's inevitable if you insist on it it is inevitable that we will drive to that energy policy direction. and we just need to keep pushing. >> is true smart money follows. united states is the gas industry is the best in the world, the rest of the world and its people here to learn how to do what we do we do it's worth anything else and yet despite this administration best efforts, we're still around and i want to be around in 10 years when president by inlets thatwere not . on the left. let's just do final if we started with you. >> unless they ask for because the frontline energy we have great potential but we have to use it. you look at the administration, getting the crew from?

is. they're dating it ran, to russia, and it's immoral and unconscionable that we can't use our resources here. and you know, when solar, everything has a consequence. if you're when you got to accept your point you will probably 50,000 birds or so year a lot your solar, guess what, when you propose these hundreds of square miles of fields that is public land often times so you're not going to create on, not just on, is single use. and yet peopleobject to pump jack that an egg or someplace . this is an issue because energy matters. lastly you look at our inflation which is robbing all of us. were the drivers ofinflation , energy and excessive

spending. energy side gas would be too much as a gallon as it was when dave and i were secretary, the two must have we heard the spending, bring inflation back down and we will get this country back but we're going to need your help and your here means you can so thanks a lot. >> let's let the governor have the last word. >> my primary thought as we leave here today is one thing we have to recognize is that the bureaucracy that leads so many of these agencies both at the state level and a federal level seriously questions whether you are capable of making informed decisions and as a result of making it would be better for them to choose whether you

have or gas. better to choose whether you have a one type of vehicle or another. we can't let that happen in america at the end of the day you to pick the leaders of this country. leaders of this country need to call the bureaucracy cancel that is the only way we maintain representative government . [applause] >> if where worried about our children or grandchildren whether it be death, having an ample supply of the energy we need to run this country, whether it's the opportunity for them tohave a better job and better way of life , regulatory friction is the biggest dampener on that taking place. and it's important for us to all aggregate together and i know there's going to be a little and leave you between

now and the presidential election we absolutely have to get together because it turned out, we've got to have enough generosity behind that , behind turning that battleship around when we get there we can get it done so is a these four secretaries made this country the most energy independent country in the world o. we need to have them back. >> it's great to be with you, ask for,

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