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newspapers talking about again thisis debt ceiling debate going on in washington. there's an article in the "wall street journal." the headline, debt talks press on as clock ticks down. the subhead says still no breakthrough as biden hackles with mccarthy, something the president renewed. let's go to the front page of the "washington post." here the headline says, federal agencies urged to pay later go on going to a little bit from this article. it says the treasury department has asked federal agencies whether they can make upcoming payments at a later date. two people familiar with the matter said a senior biden official search for fresh ways to conserve cash and prevent the u.s. government from facing an unprecedented default. again that's today's "washington

post" front-page. here's a look at today's "new york times" front page. this article headline, gop speaker is negotiating on a tight rope. read all off it from this artice as well pick it says speaker kevin mccarthy is attempting a difficult balancing act as he tries to extract spending in session some president biden in exchange for raising the debt ceiling. cobbling together a deal that can win the votes of the majority of republicans withouti alienating the critical mass of democrats he would need to push it through the house. hard right republicans have fueled the debt limit standup by demanding deep spending cuts as the price of averting a default, and they are all but certain to oppose any compromise. that means that mr. mccarthy, a californiali republican, would need the support of a solid

block of democrats in the closely divided chamber. again that's this morning's "new york times." we are talking about the debt ceiling crisis. we want you to go ahead and start calling in, but before i get to your calls, here's some video from yesterday. this is house majority leader steve scalise slamming the white house role in debt limit talks. >> president biden hasn't taken this souza certificate to0 days off in refusing to negotiate with the speaker. we didn't take any time off up. we went to work. if the president is going to sit this out and try to run out the clock and create a debt crisis in america, republicans will take action. we worked for months in putting together a coalition to pass a bill that actually addresses the debt ceiling. it also addresses washington's spending problem. and what is the answer that we're seeing in these last few days from joe biden?

again continuing to run out the clock, , not bringing serious ideas to the table but actually bringing in new ideas that are nonstarters. the president is talking about more tax hikes. we have made it very clear from the beginning we are not going to raise taxes. joe biden did that in his first two years and look at how that's worked out. >> host: that was house majority leader steve scalise. we want to hear from you. how do you think this looming debt ceiling crisis should be solved? our first car of the morning is frank in florida on the democratic line. good morning, frank. >> caller: good morning to you. basically, the republicans shouldn't be holding the country hostage. they need to go ahead, raise the debt ceiling, didn't they can negotiate the budget. but notice thatno what they're doing is they're showing, they tell us how bad this is and what dire crisis were in but they won't do anything to bring in

more revenue. the what to do it on the backs of the people that are less fortunate indeed the most. everybody just wake up and look at what the republicans are doing.s thank you. >> host: all right, frank. our next call is william. william is an orange park florida republican line. go ahead. >> caller:er i wish dick i would come to florida. we need more of that fertilizer. but anyway, how are the democrats okay this spending and they let more people in the country that ain't making money? they aren't paying their salaries, their taxes. how much bs to have to stand for?r? >> host: okay, william. castroville california, independent, go ahead.pe >> caller: how is it going? this is my first time calling in a place like this and very excited to represent the 29-35

year old group of people who are independent and a group of people who seem to think that the world is going to crap, honestly. like we stand back in the shadows and we see was going on. we standta back and see what's what from our elders, from our younger constituents, you know, the people who seem to think that the world isn't going to crap tickets just the people in power are the ones that are taking it that way. it's like we need a younger generation in the office. we need to get younger people with more intelligence, more, you know, just in general more. when you do bring more people in. in. as far as like the border concerns, i think being a hispanic fromca castroville california which is one of the most popular agricultural areas in california, the salad bowl where we have come your

artichokes come from there, artichoke capital of the world, california, castroville pick a time when the most popular areas for people to come visit. santa cruz, california, monterey california, pebble beach california, those are all some of the most highly visited areas in my area. >> host: you are a young person. what is your perspective as you watched the debate of the debt ceiling in washington? what do you think, would you like to see your elected officials doing? speaker mccarthy is some california. >> caller: as as a fellow californian i would love to see us just figure it out, just stop arguing about it. throw some money on it because people just, , people can throw money at everything. it's just a possibility that we are talking about a debt ceiling where there is no debt ceiling. there shouldn't be this like invisible ceiling where we're

talking about we owe money to this people, we owe money to this people. let's make a simple and be like, hey, we can just call it, let's call it square for now and then we will pay it back, and iou. we already own the world money. tons of money. i'm very aware. >> host: we are going to have to leave it there but we appreciate your call this morning. richard in watertown, new york, on independent line. go ahead. i think the democrats d republicans should sit down and put their differences aside and try to get our country back together. act like politicians. act like you care about the country. you have one side they want to cut back, cut back. ok. you have to make cuts somewhere. the other thing is the taxes.

police officers, school teachers pay more taxes than these billionaire corporations, which i don't think is right. that is all i got to say but thank you. host: let's go to delroy, ohio. jean on the democratic line. good morning. caller: hello. i want to say that other than c-span, when they start talking about the default and the negotiations about the budget i instantly change the channel. this is nothing but kabuki theater. i have been through it i don't know how many times. they are not going to let wall street crash. that is what would happen. wall street has a lot of losses going on right now. if you will notice, they have plenty of cash to save two banks

in the last 60 days. to do it over a weekend in the middle of the night, you know? it will happen this time again. they will raise it again and they are not going to let the rich people go down just yet. it is all right. they are rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. host: let's hear from arlene in new orleans, louisiana, independent line. caller: good morning. host: yes, good morning. caller: i think they should not hold the law hostage to get what they want, and that is what they are doing. it is wrong. we did not vote them in there to have personal things and hold up our rights and the law hostage. it is wrong.

it is not right. you'll have a blessed day. host: our next caller is on the democratic line from miami, florida. henrique, you are on. caller: yeah. i am a disabled american. i had a traffic accident. i suffered severe head trauma. that resulted in a 72 hour c oma. i retain mental illness. the republicans want to cut medicaid. they want to cut, it cuts in social security. the social security retirement fund that social security

administers, that money belongs to the people because they worked for it. they pay taxes. if they cut -- if they don't come to an agreement and the government shuts down and social security goes out of business and medicaid is affected, you will be violating the civil rights of many people. i would probably say 8 million, 9 million. only a federal grand jury can decide who has the right-of-way. it would be really sad to see somebody actually -- the u.s.

department of justice will provide an attorney for the speaker. it would be sad to see a legal situation evolve. host: we appreciate your call. we got your point. we will move onto duncan in cocoa, florida, republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. i am 38 years old. i feel very bad about that. the reason the national debt is so high now is because of the federal reserve system. the fed is a private corporation. when john f. kennedy was president he repealed the federal reserve back to replace it with the u.s. treasury. when lyndon johnson became president he put the federal reserve system back in effect.

most of the national debt is money owed to creditors because of the federal reserve system. if you can get rid of the federal reserve all over again and replace it with the government such as the treasury, the national debt would evaporate. host: ok can. -- duncan. appreciate those thoughts. daphne, alabama. mark is on the independent line. go ahead, mark. caller: good morning, c-span. i have been listening to the callers on hold here. the main thing i see with regard to this is that the politicians in power up in washington have no desire to do the right thing or fix what we perceive is wrong. they have a desire to stay in

power and enrich themselves and their friend, whatever they call themselves. republicans or democrats, it does not matter. they are staring at the ball over there while they are doing these other things to stay in power and enrich themselves. that is what is wrong. does not matter who is in power, it is the same game. they are playing chicken. we are watching them play chicken. host: we appreciate that call. we are talking this morning about that debt limit debate going on in washington. i want to bring up this npr article that has some fresh polling on the issue. the headline says, slim majority once debt ceiling raised without spending cuts. i'm going to scroll down a little bit to where it talks

about the results. it says buy a 52% to 42% margin respondent said congress should increase the debt ceiling first to avoid a default and discuss spending cuts separately rather than only increasing it if significant cuts are made at the same time. even if that means the u.s. defaults on its debts. respondents were split on if they would blink congressional republicans or president biden if the country does default. 45% said republicans and 42% said biden, but independents said they would blame biden by a 47% to 38% margin. you can see here in this chart the question is if the debt limit is not raised at the government goes into default who

would you mainly blame for that? overall it is pretty split between biden and congressional republicans. there is the partisan divide with democrats mostly blaming republicans in congress. republicans mostly blaming joe biden. this green is the independents. 47% would put most of the blame on president biden. 30% would put most of the blame -- 38% would put most of the blame on congress. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. on the republican line is walter and silver springs, maryland. you are on, walter. caller: thank you for c-span. we go through this debt limit every year and they always

figure out a way to come up and raise the limit. what i say is let it default. what is really going to happen? nothing. let it default. thank you for c-span. that is my comment. host: next up we have joel in spring, texas, republican line. what are your thoughts? caller: good morning at thank you for c-span. i have been watching since 1979. i think you do an excellent job. what i would say is that we are over $32 trillion in debt. we cannot default on this. we are the reserve currency of the world. if we lose that, we are out of business. we have to do something to

curtail spending. what i say is, we will have to hold biden's feet to the fire. say we are going to change the budget right now. that's where i'm coming from. host: appreciate your kind words. let's go to den in st. paul, minnesota on the independent line. go ahead. caller: hi. i just like to say this is the same old republican strategy of tar and feathering with leaders of the opposite party. i think this time they probably have gone too far to a default. this could be the end of the republican party. all i have to say is good

riddance. thank you very much. host: on the line from oak ridge, tennessee. steve, democratically. -- democratic line. caller: the gop always talks about the fact that the average american has to live on a balanced budget. the fact is the average family is $6,000 in credit card debt right now. another thing is, if i had a business and i needed more money coming in, i raise my prices. the thing is that with this debt ceiling the gop are using information that is not correct. here is something else. this has always blown me away. when you become a member of congress, he swear an oath to

the cost -- you swear an oath to the constitution. it says the constitution has the right to raise taxes. every gop member signs a pledge they will not raise taxes. right there they are throwing out the constitution and their duty to do that. pretty much there was a $6.7 trillion deficit under president trump. now the gop is refusing to help pay off that deficit he created. i think president biden needs to stick to his guns. tell them i want a clean debt ceiling. we can work on other things. they want to do -- the republicans want to undo everything he has done. as another caller said, it's all

about making the president footbed if you're in the gop. i hope that makes sense. i have not had my coffee this morning. thanks again for taking my call. host: let's go to baltimore now. curtis is on the line from baltimore, independent line. you are on. caller: good morning everyone. correct me if i'm wrong. the united states of america is really a corporation. it is all about business. a lot of people don't realize that. we are all slaves in this country. just look at our government. they make rules and regulations that don't even consider what the people in this country think. if there is a problem with this

deficit, which occurs every year or every couple of years when there is an election or something going on in the government, it's always about a debt ceiling deficit. it has been going on forever. why can't they just come up with a piece of the pie in the budget where this thing does not have to return every year? it is all foolishness. it is not about the people. it's about the country making money. it's about them up there and washington, d.c. making money. as soon as the people in america wake up the better off we will be. thank you very much. host: i want to bring up some video. this is white house press secretary karine john deere

yesterday -- karine john pierre yesterday. she was talking about the president and house republicans. [video] >> the republicans said the white house has shown a lack of urgency about negotiations. they can take four -- it can take four days. >> as i stated, the conversation -- as the speaker has stated and we have stated is productive. clearly we are moving forward. i think moments ago the team from the white house on the hill for the budget negotiations, they just ended. they met for hours. they will be returning and clearly give the president an update. this is urgent. this is not political. it's about doing the work and

the business of the american people. it is something we have said over and over for the past five months. this is for congress to act. this is their constitutional duty. we have been very clear. we have shown urgency from here. look, we think republicans say that the white house is not showing any urgency. it's a ridiculous statement for them to be making. host: that was white house press secretary karine john pierre on the status of those budget talks, the ceiling talks. let's go back to the phone lines. lisa in palmyra, new york, republican line. caller: hello. how are you today? host: good. caller: i have a couple questions. host: go ahead with your thoughts. caller: they still have not reached a decision, is that

correct? host: they have not. caller: i'm very worried. host: what worries you most? caller: might income is social security. -- the source of my income is social security. i don't know if they will put a hold on that or not. nobody knows. host: it is one of those things we are definitely waiting to hear more from the ramifications if there is a default. anne in peachtree city, georgia, independent line. caller: hello. i know the american people are very smart. i don't think they are asleep but this is a game. you would not stop what is going on in the government just went a democratic president is in office. if you are not concerned when a

republican president is in office and you don't care how much they spend at that time, why would you be so worried now that you are willing to destroy the country? that is something the american voter has to think about. it is the people that have the power. we can vote these people out. we can vote them in. it is up to us the people. thank you so much. ho >> host: all right. let's go to the democratic line now. neil is calling from louisiana. >> caller: yes. i've on social security check and i'm waiting for the check which i probably may not get. if i had my way, 60 million people will get the check to pay their bills. they should march on washington and demand that these people

come up to their standards of living. i wouldn't have come i don't care if i was in a wheelchair or on crutches, i would march in washington and demand they change their policy and demand our money. it's not right what they are doing. they are playing this game and playing this game with our money and with our lives. this is wrong. they are gettingit money from different groups of people, that gun people, everybody is paying their salary. they are getting rich and we are not. why not cut their salary? they should take a cut but they're not taking a cut. they don't care about the little guy. that's the point. we arere playing this game and e are the ones that's going to get hurt. thank you very much. >> host: let's go to virginia

now. john on the republican line. what are your thoughts, john? >> caller: good morning thanks for taking mynk call. a couple things i want to point out. i've been listening for a few days now. some people called and, like to blame donald trump's tax cuts for the debt. well, on the donald trump tax plan the united states treasury has received record high revenue. so that's a good thing. and the other thing is, if we don't start cutting, we are getting deeper and deeper w into debt. default will, or it might not be coming out but it is coming down the road if we don't do something. anyway, have a good day. >> host: all right. we're going to take a quick break. >> today issuing of the social security administration's role

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