numbers release the information that effectively determine what is going on people coming and going through, and when he says that you're going to get the kind of information how much longer. >> based upon whether or not we see the numbers going up on this 20 tell us if the processing facilities are actually working for being run the way it was expected and right now, we see the numbers for your backup yesterday, we had 400, apprehensions those numbers continue to go up and so we will have to wait a couple of months normally what happens afraid and take several months to be able to go back and evaluate exactly what is going on and i will be the firsto to say if those processing centers were, i will give dhs and i will give this administration credit for that and i will not give them credit still three guest higher what is normal continue to mask release across our borders illegally.

>> this is brenda judd and ifll you want to go to the website for the national border patrol council communist uniono .org, check out the work there mr. judd serves as the president, thank you for joining us. >> thank you pedro and have a good day. >> rejoining the house meeting on that limited - what we wait for the committee tv for being here today so the general. [inaudible]. [background sounds]. >> we tear of the ohio democratic party from 2015 at 2020 went for the author of the latest book about saving democracy users manual for every american and welcome back to the program. >> thank you is good to be with you again. >> a new said that in writing this book, he was a continuation things you exporting your last book, laboratories of democracy

in kenya springboard that for us as far as why you wrote the shore, so this actually about how toxicity and how about statehouses are so gerrymandered it, so rig that that is were so much of the attack on democracy was taking place from people who read the book and enjoyed of the safe, my gosh,h, so disturbing o see what is happening in states i would skipte to the other to t the solutions coming, so much so if i elect i just write about there basically is about what you can do about it. nurture your listeners and the callers agree with this, that heard one person to sort of said, how you do is watch tv and washington, and he watched the melted down the receipt democracy all in thehe country, enough of the impression that there is nothing that you can do about it that you just have to sit and watch and the doj investigations and some campaign far away and the point of this book is to say actually, the battle for democracy is

happening all over the country whichic means, that is where you live in is literally where you live in newark on the frontlines wherever you live among the lucy ratzinger mostly say, as of this book said that if is where you live, it means that there something that you do it out of there many, usually do not hear about those things is about that will walk you through what you can do and how you can do it even if point you to sort of this organizations semi- beef fullpf or best practices or peoe like you who have done the same thing any a lot of stories about individuals who decided to take on a school board of it they were worried about or run for office in the district that had not had any competitions are literally try to have it to be a users manual people frustrated by the state of thinking actually on the frustration i said there just watching what will happen to them like they are powerless. >> did you develop these principles from experience of. that uk and your former positions attorney democratic party in ohio, with are the

things that we formulate how go about them. >> yes, that's great question from think that i learned that i thought i did well in numbers, lessons i've learned about things that i could've done better braided 20 is a wrote laboratories of hypocrisy and the people have not read that, it really does walk through the problem in here while it is not about you know, few individuals in washington, is what is happening interstate and statehouses because the way that our country is designed as a stays in the statehouses literally write most the rules of democracy, not washington. as a wrote that book and eroded a lot about ohio where i am from, sort of a study of the problem. i talked to another statement i started to get e-mails and calls theo country with groups and people individuals and i also learned a lot from those meetings about their stories for they were doing and so i took as many examples i could of people

doing really great things. and people adopting a steakhouse really helping days normally get attention to me toa difference michigan in pennsylvania this last year further people figuring out how to use a nonprofit to really engage the voters who have been disenfranchised for people willing to a stand up and go to that school board meeting say we do not want you to member care so people with that frankly is the last book, not only inspiring but actually are showing that activism is aha lol level can work and actually has to work we are going to turn things around and so a lot of this is informed by the stories and i use the stories to make it accessible to the reader say whato we don't have to wait foa u.s. senator to save the day some famous celebrity, their everyday people over this country doing things to democracy and so i can do the same thing is a lot of it is coming from interacting with

people and even in this covid-19 world of management allan these people who are doing great things and he is a lot of their stories as well is what i've learned in my own experience. >> and you the soccer analogy describing some of the strategies that you apply enteritis inbortion say regeneration therefore, 70 or group that you described is generally assuming that american democracy is intaces able going on to say thomas on avoiding by a second assumption meaning this program now to redoing the house. >> of america's diverse majority, can you elaborate. >> yes, so i try to explain it actually do think there's different battles going on in american politics and one side and not just everything breaks down in american party lines and i don't think that this is just party, there's a side generally supports democracy and its way to live with the results of a fair democratic system and i think decided does assume too

often and for too, the democracy is sort of automatically contact the site assumes, we have good ideas most people whose ideas, if we run a strong election every two years for federal office, were going to win and that is their battle and there is a side and again is not just one party and i think that is one party right now it really whether studying hungry i don't ball the actually are in the mining democracy directly and that is literally what they're going after because they have a whole lot of use that would not win in mayfair democracy enough popular demands no exception, that is something of probably 1r viewers agree with pretty doing nothing about the gun violence something it in person as a elect so in order for the side to get into the fuse put into place, cannot go out and have a bunch of elections on the views

whom he will lose is always at the side of his actually going into the statehouses where they can gerrymander the statehouses in a given place viewpoint that actually waiting election the recent use the soccer analogy is the second site is described, offense and states all around the country doing what i just described, the money steakhouse gerrymandering bringing ohio mothers in the state of the other side is the largest focus on federal elections in certain swing states so the second site of the cited really does not respect democracy, the offense of time and they say honestly not only not only office, is often not a defense and you know disallowing 50 percent of for example of the tennessee republicans, who voted out this tuesday reps did not even have an election last year they were not contested so this one-sided offense and the other side sometimes is not even play defense but in my theory and in

my focus is why it is losing as amended in the book, my sons are nine and six and they play soccer and they know why that team is losing because of one team is taking all of the shots, on offense and nobody is blocking the shots, asking for a better goalie will not solve the problem and you have to go on offense and you have to with the shots are being taken in my hope that is a very easy to understand model for white decide the cares about democracy seem to be losing even with her winning federal elections regularly. >> progress until he 45, if you want to ask questions of the themes of the book that you pepper, for the democrats is (202) 748-8000 and (202) 748-8001 is republican and independents is (202) 748-8002. >> we leave this program now to rejoin the house rules committee is a work of the debt limited federal spending bill. >> fully divided control and

ranking minority members for the respective and bilateral provides a motion to recommit. >> thank you very much and you know her the motion and discussion our amendments to the rule. >> that sure would be helpful. >> all right hearing a request for further amendments some of the questions on the motion to report that all of those in favor signify by saying and i all of those opposed say no in the opinion of the chair is nice have it in the rollcall has been requested in the clerk will call the roll.

[roll call]. [roll call]. [roll call]. [roll call]. [roll call]. [roll call]. >> six - six and what shall i do to my. [applause] >> aye. >> the chairman. [roll call]. [roll call]. >> the court will report to next seven yes and seven note. >> the motion is agreed to. >> and with that i will be carrying gus. >> it was so lucky that i will carry this. >> it been my lucky day. >> and so.

>> i will let him speak and with that objection, the committee is a georgia. >> thank you. >> the committee. [background sounds]. [background sounds]. [background sounds]. [background sounds].

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