in from segal, from segal and others, indicating that jackson was at white plains, today it's just the plains, which would seem to indicate that his command had made a turn east and turning away from the valley. but pope wasn't able to get a good sense of where exactly those confederate troops were headed. i think a lot of it is due to the lack of the cavalry. any other questions? yes, jim. >> we all know that there was plenty of food, drink, sun dry supplies at manassas junction? what about ammunition? that was a key problem for jackson as the 30th-- >> the question on august 27th with the confederate troops coming into manassas junction and the food and everything they got, about ammunition. i've never seen anything specifically about ammunition, but i'm sure they got some. the first battery coming into manassas junction were able to

replace their guns with newer guns, federal guns. i'm sure they had some ammunition with it, and i'm sure that john can speak better to any ammunition in manassas junction. i'm sure they had some, but i'm not sure to what extent. the u.s. senate is about to gavel in on this wednesday morning. today, lawmakers will consider a house approved measure repealing a biden administration loan forgiveness rule by the department of education that suspends federal student loan payments and waiting for house action on federal debt limit legislation which is expected later today. now, live to the floor of the u.s. senate c-span2. unfailing love and commit our lives to you. thank you for listening to our prayers. help us to live in purity so that we will never dishonor you.

lord, guard our minds so that our thoughts will please you, as we passionately seek your truth. today, strengthen the members of this body in their work. use them to bring comfort and courage to the marginalized. help our senators to give their hearts to you and seek to please you in all they say and do. empower them to live in such a way that, by the wisdom of their words and the power of their example, others may be moved to follow you. we pray in your awesome name. amen.

the presiding officer: please join me in reciting the pledge of allegiance to the flag. i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. the presiding officer: the clerk will read a communication to the senate. the clerk: washington d.c., may 31, 2023. to the senate: under the provisions of rule 1, paragraph 3, of the standing rules of the senate, i hereby appoint the honorable peter welch, a senator from the state of vermont, to perform the duties of the chair. signed: patty murray, president pro tempore. the presiding officer: under the previous order, the leadership time is reserved.

medical care from the elements that it would expand the work requirements were certain adults receiving food stamps and some of the other elements, requiring covid-19 relief funds advocate some funding to the internal revenue service, it would restart the student loan paymend speed of permitting processes for new energy project and that is the bill was passed the house rules committee last night and the possible rights this morning that some of the things of faith bills voted david ron, to make these points of three major concerns, i think it's her number one is that mccarthy does not appear to have a full boat or revolt on his hands and healthy pocket of conservative republican oppositions of the package, hello bypassing the ruled procedural hurdle, this is terms for debate and allows leadership to bring a bill to the floor difficult. we may need democratic support to do it and number two,

republican leadership needs to maximize vote total today, mccarthy needs a minimum of 112 republicans to vote for the package and the majority of the house gop majority, but the reality is mccarthy house majority leader and others by the republican vote to be 140 and 50 out of a total of 222 potential members, and the ghost point number three, the same under they make is should he fail to garner the majority of the majority come the conservatives are main move against him mr. something so much out of play out today when it comes to that debt ceiling vote and again expected to take place later on this evening. roles vote to proceeded to the actual vote has to go first in the actual debate and vote later on this evening and stay close to cspan for all that activity for today only comes to this deal would you tell your members to accept the package or rejected and again (202)

748-8000 for the democrats and (202) 748-8001 for republicans and independents is (202) 748-8002 after yesterday, he was speaker mccarthy on the house floor, speaking with reporters at one of the things that he talked about were certain numbers within his office being upset with what some of the bill as produced percent of the terms of the bill speaker mccarthy from yesterday. >> documenting about four against villa and i'm not sure what the bill people are concerned about, it is the largest savings of 2.1 trillion that we have ever had. it is the first time in history but the largest and pulling money back from the hard-working taxpayers that are going to china and are they opposed to work requirements for welfare should 70 continue to be able to sit on the couch able-bodied with no children and not be help to find a job and are we concerned for the first time to be able to change the

environmental review, in 40 years so that we can buildings in america and not sure whether postwar the ability to even have congress work beginning to do the job the appropriation bills and the consequences for that but to be able to take a trump executive order, and put it into effect, this president, to stop from spending trillions of dollars and people are guessing all that money liquid forms, i cannot do anything about it. >> the bill is no fiscal responsibility act and is expected to take place about 830 this evening state close to cspan our website cspan.org it tennessee can now app, as watch events play out today when it comes to this vote and again when he comes your member of congress would you tell your members to accept or reject this deal new york times highlights that the fact the congressional budget office estimated

yesterday, that the package would reduce the accumulation of debt by 1.5 trillion of the course of a dedicated, cutting having certain discretionary spending for two years and also set a series of changes work requirements for food stamp eligibility and fighting them for some adult and listening them for others including veterans would actually increase federal spending on the program by 2 billion of your interest in reading negative .gov degrees on the findings of what they estimate the fiscal responsibility act will do. let's hear from edward, and virginia starting online for democrats would you take member to accept or reject and edward good morning you. >> yes, i would tell them to accept the deal and give more on the food stamps program, more money and food stamps program but i would accept the deal and yes. >> why would you want them to accept the deal. >> so we get the bills paid and

stuff like that on time. they won't be late. >> okay that's edward this year from another in california underling for independent. >> hi and thank you for having me. i know it the moment the agreement is not defense spending remaining five for the next year and so i do not support this deal since it will be cuts to the international affairs budget especially the budget is already - of the entire yes but you know what more to be done on both sides of the aisle to help prevent these is the crisis god in heaven u.s. focusing more on humanitarian crisis happening at the moment all of the world. >> okay. that we were there in california, and some of you are responding in our social media sites, this is from 800 facebook is going say that when it comes to accepting or rejecting what

you which i remember, he said rejecting there's not enough spending cuts that's by cheryl hernandez saying to accept the deal because negotiations that's what congress is supposed to do means that nobody gets everything they want and they say to rejected and speaker mccarthy is failed to follow through on his promises to the market people and brian also offer facebook pages saying to accept the conditions to be the bills now sponsor prison budget for the next fiscal year issued his job and create one and saved from a minority represented by republicans and that's just some of the comments when it comes to her facebook page and you can add yours in an exterior as well when you tell your member of congress to accept or reject the early would you say that hundreds of years miami florida, theater of line and high. >> hi and yes, i want to understand life this deal has a

much definitemr why couldn't a bill be submitted, loan and if you submit the bill. protect the u.s. economy and eliminate the risk of a disastrous default. once this bill reaches the senate, i will move to bring it to the floor as soon as possible. although the house still has more work to do, senators should be prepared to move on this bill quickly once it is the senate's turn to act. i cannot stress enough that we have no margin, no margin for error. either we proceed quickly and send this bipartisan agreement to the president's desk or the federal government will default for the first time ever. it is imperative that we avoid a default. the consequences of slipping past the deadline would

reverberate across the world and take years to recover from. remember, a default would almost certainly trigger another recession, send costs soaring, kill millions, millions of jobs, hard-working people thrown out of work through no fault of their own. that, mr. president, would be a catastrophic nightmare for our economy and millions, millions of american families. any needless delay, any last-minute brinksmanship at this point would be an unacceptable risk. moving quickly, working together to avoid default is the responsible and necessary thing to do. nobody on either side thinks this agreement is perfect, that's for sure. nobody got everything they wanted. but this agreement still accomplishes two major goals -- it spares the american people from the catastrophe of default, and it preserves the most

important investments we've passed over the past few years, many of them on a bipartisan basis. so, moving forward on this agreement is the sensible, responsible, and very necessary thing to do. we're getting close to finally putting the threat of default behind us, but there's more work to do. i hope that the house does its job when it takes up the bill later today. i urge my colleagues in this chamber to be prepared to move quickly when the time comes. now, on the student debt cra, mr. president, today senate republicans will begin pushing a terrible measure that would ends the pause on student loan payments and overturn president biden's historic loan cancelation program. let me be clear -- i strongly, strongly oppose republicans' cruel attempt to deny millions of student loan borrowers the critical relief they so desperately need. we should be in the business of

helping americans saddled with student loan debt, not making their problem worse, as it measure would clearly do. even a casual beginning of the republican measure exposes it for what it is -- a cruel, punitive, and extreme broadside against millions of american borrowers. for one, the republican measure would repeal the student loan payment pause, which has been a lifeline for millions of americans, and even force borrowers to confront several months of retroactive payments from december to -- from september to december of 2022. let me say that again, because this is so important -- this measure not only repeals the payment pause, it forces many borrowers to make retroactive payments as well. the republican measure also targets our public service employees, first responders,

nurses, educators, servicemembers, by jeopardizing their eligibility for the public service loan forgiveness program. is why unions, like the fop, federalration of police -- federation of police, and the union that represents border patrol agents, are against this cra. many americans willingly chose career paths that way less. it's a vap in the -- a slap in the pace to suddenly take away their eligibilities for loan forgiveness. my republican colleagues talk a big game about helping working families. this legislation shows how callous and uncaring they are, by trying to block relief that would immediately improve the lives of millions of borrowers. republicans have tried to paint president biden's plan as a tuition bailout, a giveaway to high earners. that's just false. republicans need to look at the

facts. under president biden's plan, nearly 90%, 90% of relief dollars go to out-of-school borrowers making less than $75,000 a year. under president biden's plan, no one in the top 5% of incomes will receive a penny in debt relief. so the republican hypocrisy is enormous. they're willing to give huge tax breaks to billionaires and very wealthy people and big corporations, but now they say that when 90% of students make less than $75,000, or former students, would make less than $75,000 a year, can't get this -- wow. wow. what a cannard. president biden's plan, which this republican cra would overturn lifts up americans from all walks of life -- students of col -- color, working immigrants, working

families to get to the middle class or stay there. i will oppose this republican cra to overturn student debt relief and will continue working to make sure relief reaches every single borrower in need. finally, mr. president, i want to conclude my remarks by expressing my sorrow on the passing of a legendary new york educator karl sodastrom who passed away this week. karl was a teacher and longtime head of school at long island stony brook school. hissivity on generations of students is -- influence on generations of students is undeniable, as is his influence on this body, through his daughter, sharon, as we all know as leader mcconnell's chief of staff. our thoughts are with sharon and the family. may they know peace knowing karl is now reunited with his beloved jean. i yield the floor and note the absence of a quorum. the presiding officer: the clerk

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mr. mcconnell: mr. president. the presiding officer: the republican leader. mr. mcconnell: i want to start this -- i ask consent further proceedings under the quorum call be dispensed with. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. mcconnell: i want to start this morning by expressing my

condolences to my chief of staff, sharon soderstrom, who lost her father a few days ago. here's what she had to say about him. she said my dad truly was one of the great good gifts of my life. i hope to be back tomorrow. i think sharon pretty well summed it up. her dad was a special, special person. and our thoughts and prayers are with sharon and her family this week. now, mr. president, back in february, as speaker mccarthy waited for president biden at the negotiating table, the democratic leader predicted the future.

quote, the side that's unified has the upper hand. well, it's safe to say that our colleague from new york was exactly right. house republicans stood united behind speaker mccarthy. they lined up behind the only legislation that addressed the debt ceiling as well as out-of-control government deficits. they committed to the direct negotiations that i said repeatedly, going back to february, were the only way to avoid default. and they secured an outcome that confronts washington democrats' reckless spending in a serious way. republicans stood united. they forced president biden to do his job, and they reached an agreement that preserves the full faith and credit of the united states and starts getting its financial house in order.

along the way the speaker and his team launched important progress toward freeing american infrastructure from endless bureaucrat review. they put a dent in washington democrats' campaign to stand up a new army of irs agents, and they slapped actual costs on the administration's regulatory over reach. but here's the bottom line. the senate will have an opportunity very soon to pass legislation that reduces federal government spending by $1.5 trillion over the next decade. that's $1.5 trillion that won't be put on the american taxpayers' tab. it's a down payment on more progress that's yet to come. house republicans' unity gave them the upper hand.

they used it to secure a much-needed step in the right direction. when this agreement reaches the senate, i'll be proud to support it without delay. on another matter, this week the senate will have yet another opportunity to pump the brakes on washington overreach using the congressional review act. this time we're up against an especially ridiculous example of left-wing spending fantasy from the biden administration, student loan socialism. for years higher education in this country has been a choice. some american families choose to cash in hard work and diligent savings to earn a college degree. some even volunteer for our

military service with the promise of tuition assistance. and millions of others choose to avoid taking on extra debt and to pursue their careers without, without going to college. it's a choice that families get to make for themselves. but on president biden's watch, washington democrats have decided to try and take the choice away. the way the biden administration sees it, working americans should foot the bill for the advanced degrees, whether they choose to pursue them or not. the administration's outrageous plan would shift hundreds of billions of dollars in debt from the doctors, lawyers, and other high-earning professionals who chose, chose to incur it, on to american taxpayers who

wanted nothing to do with it. we're talking about the highest educated americans, folks who already take in higher salaries on average. apparently democrats have surveyed the devastation of their reckless spending and runaway inflation and decided these are the people who need their help the most. for the party behind a long list of egregious and pandering giveaways, student loan socialism just might actually take the cake, and the supreme court is deciding right now whether the whole thing is actually down right illegal. but this week, thanks to the leadership of ranking member cassidy of the help committee, along with senator cornyn and senator ernst, the senate has a chance to intervene and stop the madness now. their resolution would overturn

the biden administration's attempt to pad the pockets of elite professionals with taxpayer dollars. i'd urge each of our colleagues to support it. the presiding officer: the clerk will call the roll. quorum call:

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that's what we will post you for the remaining time we have left until 10:00. 202-748-8000 for democrats. 202-748-8001 republicans and 202-748-8002 for independents. you can expect a vote on the debt ceiling deal around 830 were being told. stay close to c-span, c-span now are at and our website at c-span.org as a day goes on and the events play out leading up to tonight vote on the debt ceiling. one of the things that happened yesterday as a result of the debate going on currently is the speakership of the house you're one of those people questioning the speakership of north congressman dan bishop

expressing concerns about removing speak mccarthy over his role in how this debt ceiling laid out. here's a portion of that on cnn the presiding officer: the republican whip. mr. thune: mr. president, is the senate in a quorum call? the presiding officer: we are. mr. thune: i would ask unanimous consent the quorum call be lifted. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. thune: mr. president, we got some good news over the weekend with the announcement that the president and speaker kevin mccarthy had reached an agreement on the debt ceiling legislation. it will finally, finally, after two years of out-of-control spending begin to rein in our nation's budget. i am tremendously grateful to speaker mccarthy and to house republicans for their tireless work to make sure any legislation to raise the debt ceiling was pared with meaningful spending reforms. the fiscal responsibility act limits discretionary spending increases to 1% each year over the subsequent five years.

it clause back on unspent -- it claws back on unspent covid funds. in fact, the bill rescinds more unobligated government money than any bill in american history. it also places into statute pay-go rules on the executive branch which would require government agencies to accompany new spending proposals with proposals that would save taxpayer dollars. on top of all this the fiscal responsibility act makes a down payment on permitting reform to help get energy projects off the ground more quickly, which will help encourage domestic energy production and drive down energy prices for american families. it also strengthens work requirements in federal programs to help able-bodied americans move from welfare to work. while this legislation doesn't go as far as it should and as

speaker mccarthy wanted, when it comes to funding for needed modern military readiness, the bill avoids a continuing resolution while leaving open the possibility of supplemental funding as needed. and it's worth noting that this is the first time in recent history we have increased defense spending while decreasing nondefense spending. perhaps just as important as what's in the bill is what's not in the bill. tax increases. speaker mccarthy and house republicans held the line and ensured that the debt ceiling increase was not used as a vehicle to collect more taxpayer money and they also ensure that the bill did not contain any new government programs. mr. president, this isn't a perfect bill. does it have everything republicans included to get our nation's fiscal house in order? no, it doesn't. but perfect bills are rare, and

they're even more rare in a time of divided government. this is a good bill. and thanks to the efforts of speaker mccarthy, a better bill than we might have hoped for. and let's not forget the democrats wanted to pass a debt ceiling increase without any spending reforms at all. this bill may not be perfect, but it makes a real start at getting spending under control. now, mr. president, our efforts can't end with this bill. our national debt has already exceeded the size of our economy and the interest on our debt is going to consume a greater and greater share of the federal budget. on our current trajectory, within a few short years we're going to be spending more just meeting the interest on our nation's debt than we will on national defense. by 2044, we'll be spending more on interest than on medicare. by 2050, we'll be spending more on interest than on social security.

think about that for just a minute. more on interest than on social security. mr. president, social security is the largest line item in our nation's budget and consumes approximately one-fifth of total federal spending each and every year. the fact -- the very fact that our national debt is on track to grow to the point where we are paying more just on interest than on social security should be a wake-up call to lawmakers in both parties. reform has to be a top retire here in washington. we have a spending problem, not a revenue problem. tax revenues in 2022 reached a multi-decade high of 19.6% of our gross domestic product. which is well above the historical average. we are not suffering from a lack of revenue. federal spending, however, has soared to unsustainable levels. the federal budget for 2023 is

up approximately 40% from 2019, the last budget before the pandemic. 40% increase. going back to 2019. that's just not sustainable, mr. president. it's not. and whatever democrats may say, we are not going to be able to find -- or to to fund that kind of reckless spending by taxing better-off americans. we just have to flat get spending under control. any american who has ever found himself or herself mired in credit card debt knows that serious debt has serious consequences. our national debt is is already reducing the economic growth that we could otherwise achievement and if our debt continues along its current trajectory are the consequences will be severe. diminished economic opportunities in growth, difficulties meeting our government's most basic

responsibilities from national defense to social security and medicare. the best thing that we can do for the future of our country and for hardworking american families is to get our nation's spending under control. and so, mr. president, i want to once again express my gratitude to speaker mccarthy and house republicans for ensuring that the debt limit increase that we'll be voting on is matched with real spending reforms. they've achieved an important victory, and i hope that the fiscal responsibility act will be just the first step in a larger campaign to get our nation's fiscal house in order and ensure a better economic future for the american people. mr. president, i yield the floor, and i suggest the absence of a quorum. the presiding officer: the clerk will call the roll.

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>> good morning, everyone. we just completed a caucus meeting with the white house, negotiators, and presenters. and it was very thoughtful, comprehensive, clear eyed discussion about the moment that we are in. and, of course, about the importance of avoiding a catastrophic default. in that meeting i made clear that i'm going to support the legislation that is on the floor today, and that i support it

without hesitation, reservation, or trepidation. not because it's perfect, but in divided government we of course cannot allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good. and president biden did an incredibly good job under difficult circumstances in protecting some key priorities and values for the well-being of the american people. this process has been one where the extreme maga republicans were determined to take the country down, one of either two directions. door number one, they want a dramatic, taccone, devastating cuts that would have adversely impacted the health, the safety, or the economic well-being of the american people.

and they were going to use a hostagetaking situation to force those extreme right wing cuts down the throats of the american people. door number two, if they are unable to get the draconian, dramatic, devastating cuts consistent with what was in their extreme default un-american act that i they pd on the house floor, with the deciding vote being the serial frost or george santos, on aprie to get the default un-american act, they were willing to walk america through door number two. and door number two was a devastating, dangerous default. crash the economy, trigger a job killing recession. because as many of them indicated, including the chair of the republican national

committee, that they believe that a default and a crashing of the economy would benefit them politically. in 2024. those are the options that the presented to the american people. so i'm thankful for the leadership of president joe biden. who found a third path, and it is a third path that does three important things. one, it avoids a devastating default. avoid scratching the economy. avoids triggering a job killing recession here in america and throughout the world. and avoids hurting millions of everyday americans. the second thing that president

biden and his team were able to do successfully in partnership with house democrats and senate democrats every step of the way was to make sure that america would not be forced in another hostagetaking situation for the balance of this congress. and it was incredibly important to make sure that the debt ceiling was suspended through the early part of 2025. so that the american people don't have to be subjected to this type of turmoil for the balance of this year and all throughout next year. and he gives us the space to work through how we can prevent this type of hostagetaking situation legislatively, legally, or administratively

ever again. so the third important thing the biden administration was able to accomplish was that the protected some things that were incredibly important to the american people. all of which were on the chopping block because of the extreme maga republicans, and the ransom demands from the very beginning of this year. but because president biden held the line some very important things were protected in this resolution. president biden protected social security. resident buying protected medicare. president biden protected medicaid. president biden protected veterans. president biden protected the inflation reduction act.

president biden protected the clean energy tax credits that will be transformational. president biden protected billions of dollars in funding to combat environmental injustice. and president biden protected the american people from the types of devastating cuts proposed by right-wing extremists that would have hurt millions of everyday americans. that was all accomplished as a result of this resolution. and i'm thankful for the leadership of president biden. house democrats who stood strongly behind him, and his administration, leader schumer and senate democrats as well. it's now my honor to yield to the distinguished with of the house democratic caucus who has held this caucus together in

such an extraordinary way -- whip -- from the first week of the 118th congress through the default un-american act where every single house democrats opposed the extreme maga republican legislation, giving the administration tremendous strength in the negotiating room, all the way through making sure that every single democrat, new, blue, progressives, all points in between, signed a discharge petition to strengthen the leverage that the biden administration needed to bring about an outcome that protected the well-being of the american people. thank you. >> thank you, thank yo. we are inspired by your leadership, and it continues to be demonstrated. we are still to this day so

proud to have cast 3179 votes for hakeem jeffries for speaker. today, let me start off with what we know. it's been nearly three months since president biden released his budget, his vision on how we can invest in the american people, and at the same time reduce our deficit. and every day since it has been democrats and the president who have been fighting on the side of the american people. it is democrats who have been the adults in the room. it is democrats who has prioritized americans over political gamesmanship. it's the democrats who have opposed this maga hostage situation. it's democrats who have always been clear, we will not allow this country to suffer a devastating default. the question is whether

republicans today will decide to join us and do the right thing. this is a deal that speaker mccarthy negotiated, when his predecessor negotiated an agreement on the debt ceiling she guaranteed the votes from the vast majority of her caucus. now, nobody is mistaking speaker mccarthy for speaker pelosi, but he should be able to do what he said he was going to do and produce 150 votes from this majority. that should be on the table. and the fact that it is still an open question, the fact that we still don't know if the votes are there, that he is depending on democrats to avert disaster, that is a reflection of the extremism of the brinksmanship and the ideological rot that has taken hold of the republican party. like all of you, i am eager to

see the republicans final tally. but this caucus will remain unified with the president, and most importantly, with the american people in this fight. and i am very proud to yield to our chairman who has been helping us at every step of the way, keep our caucus informed and together, and that's chairman pete aguilar. >> thank you, whip clark. thanks to whip clark and leader jeffries, both the leadership, for the comments to the house democrats this morning, for unity of purpose that they exude every day. this week will bring in and to the republican-led and republican manufactured crisis. house democrats look forward to continuing to tout the

achievement of the biden-harris administration, 12.7 new jobs created. but when we reflect on this week it's important to know, this wasn't about deficits. this was never about deficits to republicans. they turned down every reasonable opportunity to close loopholes that would affect our deficits. they want to stand find their billionaire friends so they can pay less than teachers on their tax rate, , the teachers in san bernardino. that's what this is about. and they are going to show us throughout the summer. our prediction is that they are going to mark up a tax bill that would blow another whole, over $3 trillion into deficit. this is not about fiscal sanity. this is about them each and every step of the way protecting their billionaire friends. but house democrats stand poised to help, stand poised to be the adults in the room, and we will ensure we put this crisis behind

us. we have had a number of briefings with the administration officials. i am appreciative of them. i continue to appreciate the president standing up for medicare and social security and medicaid. without that leadership and support, those programs would not have been protected. in this deal and in this year. we've got a number of administration briefings, six briefings. the administration just met two hours, briefing house democrats and we appreciate their willingness to do that. and a partner in the process who was all of the members of the leadership team on these zooms and calls and they are there today but a partner of this has been vice president ted lieu. >> thank you, chairman, and libya for start off by committing hakeem jeffries, katherine clark and for putting the american people first year and what all of you seen since day one, the one of 18 congress

is a president biden and house democrats have remained calm, cool and collected in the face of repeated republican chaos. this is a gop manufactured crisis. this is a routine vote come so routine that three times it happened under the former president with no fanfare. but republicans chose because of how extreme they have gotten to take us to the brink of disaster, and democrats are not going to let that happen. and what we see in particular from president biden is that he gets stuff done. president biden and democrats negotiated a bipartisan infrastructure law to rebuild your roads and bridges and highways. president biden a democrats negotiated a bipartisanship and sites act to bring back high-tech manufacturing to america. president biden democrats negotiated the pact act to protect our veterans. ..

was not that long ago republicans cast the default un-american act that cut veterans funding by 22% because their leadership of democrats and president biden were able to restore that funding and fully fund veterans healthcare as well as toxic exposure fund and because of that, i will be supporting the bill today. i yield. >> thank you. questions? i'm sorry. >> speaker mccarthy negotiated this, what is your message to progressive members in your caucus that work requirements never should have been on the table?

>> same message i just delivered from this podium that i delivered in my conversations house democrats throughout the last several days we have been working through receiving information from the administration and in the context of the discussion earlier today. speaker mccarthy and house republicans had been negotiating in terms of the house and senate in this context. as catherine clark indicated the expectation that at minimum, house republicans will produce two thirds of their conference to support a resolution that they negotiated after driving the country into a hostage taking situation on the brink of default, 150 votes. is what house republicans need

to do, but what they agreed to do in terms of getting bill over the finish line. house democrats will make sure the country does not default, but we will be responsible stewards of the economy and we will not let middle-class americans, working families aspire to be part of the middle class, be hurt by the dangerous gop manufactured default. we will not let that happen. at the same time, it's important for house republicans to do their part in supporting a resolution that they themselves negotiated.

i didn't say that. we are unified in avoiding a default, unified as relates to how the country is in this situation and unified behind the leadership that president biden has. >> the skill set, democrat saying -- is this fracturing for conference? how do you lend those? >> the conference is not fractured. i had a good conversation earlier today. unity is different from unanimity. jim clyburn has always reminded us we will continue to be unified. we will make sure we are unified

as we move forward in building an economy that works for every day americans from the ground up. we look forward to taking on some additional fights for the american people including stopping the extreme amaga republicans from trying to jam another tax giveaway to the wealthy and well off and well-connected. we will be unified in all of those efforts. third row. >> this 1% cut to the budget, if appropriations bills aren't passed, what does that say for the appropriations process, how will that affect how things are going to go. if there's a chance for an omnibus? >> we all have full confidence in the houston the craddick

leader on the appropriations committee, the once and future chairwoman of the appropriations committee, to offend democratic priorities, fight for the middle class, working families, young people, older americans, those who aspire to be part of the middle class, vulnerable americans and as we resolve this default crisis and hand over the reins to the appropriations committee we couldn't be better served than from the leadership of rosa delauro. >> how many votes democrats would need on both of the bill itself and also the rule? >> let me do for to catherine clark on the rule and the bill itself, we haven't gotten the precise number from the other side of the aisle yet but we continue to maintain house republicans need to keep their

commitment to produce 150 votes. the resolution that they themselves negotiated. when that happens, democrats are going to make sure that there is no default. >> the rules are simple. the majority is responsible for passing the rule. >> as catherine indicated, the majority is responsible for ensuring passage of the rule but we will not allow a default to happen? >> you used the phrase hostage taking. at the end of the day everybody negotiated over the debt ceiling. what does it mean when the next time comes around? >> president biden and democrats in the house and senate were clear that we were going to proceed on parallel tracks from the very beginning.

parallel tracks meant for us we would avoid a default and whatever resolution occurs relative to the spending side of the equation related to the appropriations process had to mission duration suspending the debt ceiling. it wasn't the original plan from the extreme amaga republicans. 10 years of draconian spending checks in exchange for an 11 or 12 mark suspension of the debt ceiling. are you kidding me? give us a break. that was their position. that is not the resolution. >> the forecast or pledge a certain number of democrats to get through?

>> also that to this day, what would have been better had house democrats -- you had a more path of negotiation. do you agree with that? >> i am thankful for her comments but i have full faith and all of us certainly, president biden, and the team of designees in their negotiating room. every member of the house democratic caucus has great confidence. word today to receive a standing ovation from every single person because we have great confidence in her ability. it was an enlightened decision when president biden put her into that negotiating room, we knew she would defend our values

and she did. >> democrats holding their votes today showing republicans couldn't pass alone and then later on prove the point, is that something that's discussed or an appropriate course of action? >> no discussion of that, either in the meeting we had, with all the top democrats on standing committees or in 2 hour and 15 minute meeting we had in the caucus. >> republicans had to keep their commitment to 150 votes, the democrats will -- what happens if they do not provide 150? what if they are at 130? >> it is our expectation house

republicans will keep their commitment to provide 150 votes as a floor on agreement that they themselves negotiate. this is not an agreement mitch mcconnell negotiated. it came from the senate, the leader schumer negotiated. they were the ones who were in the room. it is reasonable for the american people to conclude this is going to be a bipartisan resolution to a manufactured default crisis that they created. in terms of functionality and what happens during the 15 minute series when things of that nature get into those mechanics. we will not allow the country to default. america must always pay our

bills. we must not let extreme amaga republicans in congress crash our economy and hurt every day americans, period, full stop. mechanically, what that looks like on the house floor remains to be seen. >> thank you, leader jeffries. do you think the white house gave up too much? they said work requirement was a redline. they improved work requirements, and second, what is your reaction to some in the freedom caucus, the motion that was to happen, democrats stand behind speaker mccarthy, doesn't feel there could be a worse option. >> we will cross that bridge when we get to it. for the last several days and several meetings that we had. as it relates to any

hypothetical motion to vacate the chair. our motion is clear. make sure we prevent a catastrophic default being visited upon the american people, period, full stop. in terms of the work requirements which have been in the law since 1996, this is a phony, fake talking point injected unnecessarily into this discussion. the overwhelming majority of people receive -- already subject to work requirements because of the 1996 law. in this situation president biden and his team did the best they could and in fact expanded

eligibility for veterans, expanded eligibility in terms of snap for homeless and the announced, expanded eligibility for young people who aged out of foster care. that's an extra ordinary accomplishment. the congressional budget office has had to say about this development speaks for itself. >> i wonder how you feel about the 72 hour rule. >> i will respond to that and offer closing -- >> i will just echo what the leader said but democrats stand poised to everett this crisis.

personally from the vice chair and i we appreciate the administration coming up here, continuing briefings, documentation that they sent over to help members arrive at a decision that is best for the districts. over the last 48 hours, at the leader's request, we had a deep dive briefing plus the caucus session this morning, 9 hours over the last 48-hour's, house democrats have been digesting information to make the best decision we can to everett this republican-led crisis. that is where we are. we appreciate all the information we have taken in and members will make a decision that is best for them. >> house democrats are very clear. there is no perfect negotiation when you are the victim of extortion.

nobody likes to pay a ransom note and that is exactly what tonight's vote is. our payment on the ransom of the american people. the amaga republicans, the extremists had taken them hostage as the leader set forth, a lose/lose proposition. we have devastating cuts or we lose 8 million jobs overnight despite the cost of home ownership, car loans. last time we ever got close to default, americans on the verge of retirement lost on average $20,000 of their life savings. this is how the maga extremists view the american people. it doesn't matter what will happen to them as long as they are winning their political game. who is at the center? families at home, workers, small

businesses. the full faith and credit of the united states, not only the recession and economic catastrophe that starts here but triggered globally. at a time when our president is asserting the strength of the country here and abroad bringing manufacturing back, investing infrastructure and climate resiliency, strengthening nato, siding with ukraine, standiford democracies around the world, this is the vision of the republican conference, that you put all that at stake for what? for what? to make that winners circle so small that only the very rich, the already well-connected, continue to prosper, and you are willing to cut off opportunity for american families who are trying to get by, recover from the pandemic, get back on their

feet, it is hard to take in, because it is so cartoon villain like. on like a cartoon, the american people won't snap back up when you drop that economic and bill on their head. this is where we are. we are grateful to the leadership from this white house to the leadership of the democratic caucus and what we anticipate we are going to see from our them a credit colleagues in the senate, for putting the american people first and steering the way for this country back to sanity and rejecting extremism. >> i want to remind people why we are here. under the administration, republicans had a massive tax cut that witt benefited the top one% and don't want to pay for that. another reason we are here is

republicans took a routine vote and jacked it up and put us on the brink of disaster. maga republicans will fail in their correct attempt to crash the us economy because president biden and democrats are standing strong to make sure the country does not default and we in america remain the leader of the free world. >> thank you again to will clark and chairman aguilar and vice chair, the last 72 hours the communication between the white house the biden administration, and house democrats has been clear, consistent, and comprehensive. i think the white house for making everyone available at the highest level under the leadership on our side, chairman aguilar and vice chair lieu, to make sure there was an authentic discussion so that every member

could make an informed decision later this afternoon and this evening as it relates to the legislation that will be in front of us and in front of the american people. what is clear is that president biden has succeeded in protecting the american people from some of the most harmful and aggressive things republicans were trying to jam down our throats. protected social security, protected medicare, protected medicaid, protected veterans, protected the middle class, all those who aspire to be part of it, working families, the poor, sick, the afflicted, from the types of devastating cuts that experience amaga republicans were determined to enact.

as a result, as a result of the efforts of the biden administration we want to make sure here in the house and the senate that america does not default and our economy does not crash and we will all live to fight another day and fighting for the people.

>> we are waiting for senator to come to the floor to speak, the senate is taking upper repeal of a biden administer and federal student loan forgiveness really should buy the education department, on the other side of the capital the house is working on debt limit and federal spinning legislation today, the final voters expect this evening. it will move over to the senate tomorrow. you're watching lovecraft of the

senate on c-span2. >> member of congress and the vote on the debt ceiling, will you tell your member of congress to accept the dealer reject it, that will post to you for the remaining time we have left until 10:00202-748-8000 for democrats, 202-748-8001 for republicans, 8,002 for independents. you can ask that they vote on the debt ceiling deal around 8:30 this evening as we are being told, say close to c-span, c-span now, our apps and website, c-span.org as the day goes on and events play out leading up to the vote on the debt ceiling deal, one of the things that happened yesterday as a result of the debate going on currently is speakership of the house and one of people questioning the future of the

speakership was north carolina republican dan bishop, expecting those concerns about removing speaker mccarthy over his role in how the debt ceiling, here's a portion of that on cnn yesterday. >> you said today a motion to ask mccarthy as speaker is on the table if this debt ceiling deal goes to the floor for a vote. are you going to make good on that front? >> we will see. i always work with others. my view is it is going to have to be done but the more important thing is the legislation before us. i'm working intentionally. you mentioned a number of us offering talks or among the 20 in january contesting the speaker's brass tacks deal on which to go forward and this produced great unity but members of the republican conference, leslie hunt, and others coming

out saying this deal cannot be done. and salvage us from this error is too late. >> the hill published a piece this morning saying to dozen members of the gop majority said they will vote against the bill. speaker mccarthy will rely on democratic members supporting deal to pass the bill, more democrats than republicans vote for the bill, speaker mccarthy could be in hot water, quote, i predict more democrats, and they said two things, to suppress their enthusiasm, they play out, we have shown you over the course of several weeks or several days, the 11th of the deal and ask if you tell your member of congress to accept or reject it. this is pat first up.

>> i am a democrat, and who's going to do the best job. i don't care democrat or republican or libertarian or any category at all, these people, representatives from the republican party do what the party wants. representatives from the democrat party are doing -- they are not doing what we want. they don't give a crap about us. last month i was scared to death i will not get my check this month. how am i going to pay my bills? i can't. i've got to have my check. i worked three jobs all my life, building social security up. i'm a vietnam era veteran. i have a disability. i need my checks to pay my bills every month. when they go up there, they work for us, not their party. >> host: you're saying accept

the deal? russell senate office building 15 i am saying accept the deal. they need to be put on jobs. i see too many people sitting on the street with signs saying i need help, give me a dollar. everywhere i drive i see help-wanted signs. everywhere. fast food, convenience, it doesn't matter what the company is. >> host: let's hear from ray in florida, republican line. c-span2 my question is the stimulus money in 2020 for the people that were deceased, has that money been recovered? >> host: don't know. what do you think of the deal being voted on today? russell senate office building 15 i see too much different aspects of it. i don't know who to believe. >> host: skip in washington dc, independent line, hello.

c-span2 russell senate office building 15 >> the economy is in a disaster. that would be the alternative if you vote against it. i think you have to vote for, it is very interesting, if republicans have talked about biden being borderline senile and lacking mental capacity which kevin mccarty, speaker of the house just said in negotiating with joe biden that he was smart and tough. that does not sound like the narrative they've been trying to say about joe biden. joe biden did a great job in this negotiation. >> host: as far as what he conceded to is that a concern? are you okay with that? russell senate office building 15 >> it was a fair deal because he didn't give up the things he accomplished in the past couple

years, but yet, he conceded to what the republicans wanted to do to curb spending in certain areas without losing the priorities that he wanted. that's the sign of a smart negotiator and someone with experience who knows how to do it. that's counter to the narrative the republicans have been putting out. as an independent, i think it was a good compromise. >> host: joey in pennsylvania, democrat line. collar:it is very simple solution to this. remember, number one, we are all americans. in the house, we are all americans first. we are not democrats or republicans.

we are all americans, we are all americans. we should act that way. and >> host: donald in report -- in wisconsin, republican line. >> caller: 15 i will make a reference to your previous caller from the american enterprise institute. my comment is i find it very interesting someone involved in the american enterprise institute now seems to support public financing of political campaigns which has been anathema to corporate america

and the republican right, and america in general. as we know, money begets power and power enables money. this has been a problem for decades and decades. one failed attempt was mccain-feingold which failed. it is interesting someone from the american enterprise institute now sees in my opinion sees the light. >> host: the debt ceiling deal, what would you tell your legislator? >> caller: today's debt ceiling? go for the compromise. we can't default. it makes sense in our current situation. >> host: gene is next from pennsylvania. independent line. >> caller: good morning and god bless you. i say absolutely not.

there's a time for everything. the time is to stop the clock. we have excessive money coming in our treasury. we don't have to default. we have until september. >> host: the june 5th deadline has been given as far as the date this has to be done by. >> caller: we have money. that bill, i say no. there was a bill that should have gone in the senate. unless i forget, people who should have been negotiating and bringing it back, the clock has to stop. this is medusa. >> host: jean in pennsylvania on the independent line, tell your legislator to accept or reject the debt ceiling deal, 202-748-8,000 for democrats,

8001 for republicans and independents, 8002. if it does pass later on in the house it will go to the senate. senate majority leader chuck schumer yesterday on the compromise bill and what action it will take when it reachedes the senate. >> i support the bipartisan agreement president biden has produced with speaker mccarthy. avoiding default is an absolute imperative. the damage the default would inflict on our country, our economy, our families would be enormous and take years from which to recover. of course, nobody is getting everything they want. there is give on both sides, but this agreement is the responsible, prudent and necessary way forward. today the house of representatives is beginning the process of moving the legislation through the chamber. when this bill arrives in the senate, my plan to bring it to

the floor as quickly as possible for consideration, senators must be prepared to act with urgency to send a final product to the president's desk before the june 5th deadline. >> host: the website, the reporter who covers the economy, taking a look at what happens even if legislation does pass both chambers, she writes here is where the dangers will live. once the treasury issues more debt to pay the government's ability will need to ramp up borrowing quickly by hundreds of billions to refile its coffers, the department warchest has dwindled, making payments through ask ordinary measures to avoid default without being able to issue additional debt. that supply of new government security and the market constraint banks and two ways. it will ratchet up competition by encouraging businesses and households to it invest us debt rather than banks where they

will earn competitively lower yields. if banks are forced to raise interest rates to attract depositors the profit margins will shrink and rates could rise further on all manner of consumer and business loans they give out and second, a rush of us government borrowing will diminish the reserves banks have access to the fed, sucking money out of the financial system. politico is where you can find that piece. let's go to richard in missouri. democrats line. >> get it done quick. to help pass this thing through, republicans don't want to do it, too bad. next year we will vote them out. >> why do you think it should be passed? >> caller: keep the economy going. we've got other problems besides worrying about how much debt we've got. we 've got a lot of debt.

let's get on with it and get the country going like biden wants to. everybody wants to have a better life. everybody is doing everything they want. they've got -- oh boy. the world is going to come to a end. it went on. let's get on with it. the country's business. start taking care of social security, the main artery of finance for older people. if you want to hurt them. >> host: jonathan in silver spring, maryland, independent line. >> caller: i want to say we keep on doing this and it ratchets up the discontent we saw displayed on january 6th. if congress can't get it together it will cause

collateral damage. people are going to get angry and find ways to express that anger. depending on their benefits, veterans, so they are playing with people's livelihoods and this will continue to foment discontent. we have to be very mindful these actions could have further repercussions like january 6th. thank you for the opportunity. >> host: in georgia, republican line, next up. >> caller: hello, yes. good morning. we have a 3 ring circus, controlled by big-money. we don't control the congress, the senate, this big money, tells them what to do and we

have to fight for it. they spend money like a crack addict with your credit card. there shouldn't be any debt ceiling because we should balance the budget. what happened to balanced budget? we have to borrow money, wouldn't have to pay a tremendous amount of interest on that money. or borrowed money to pay interest of that money. it is terrible. you can't live your life borrowing money every year. going to go bankrupt and the communists are going to take over. >> host: let's hear from representatives to phonic --stefanik who talked about where it deals with deficit reduction. this is from yesterday. >> thank you for your patience, for being here tonight. house republicans just concluded a productive and respectful

conference. members from across the conference share their support for this important bill and they share their support for speaker mccarthy's strong and effective leadership. this is a win for the american people and future generations. the american people sent a message strongly that they did not support failed parties and luckless spending of sigel party democrat rule. the country and trusted house republicans with our vision of a commitment to america to deliver results and rain and out of control spending causing crippling inflation. the fiscal response ability act is a historic step to restoring fiscal sanity and holding washington accountable. this will be the largest deficit reduction in history. for the first time in a decade spent year over year, providing critical funding for veterans and national defense. this deal cloud back tens of billions in unspent covid funds, the largest decision combined in the history of congress and this

deal won't left millions of americans out of poverty by strengthening work requirements. concerning the majority house republicans have been underestimated by the media every day. we have been underestimated by the media this week but we will be tireless in keeping our promises and delivering results for the american people. >> watch for it on our main channel, c-span. our apps is seen salmon now -- c-span now. carol calling us from west virginia, line for independents on accepting or rejecting the debt ceiling deal. good morning. >> caller: good morning. i called my senators and representatives and told them to vote no. they can't find one dollar in the budget they can cut.

they could cut military spending and foreign aid. they could cut back to right now on what we give away to a lot of stuff is the cafeteria in washington. are they still, does it still, ngos getting paid to take care of that cafeteria, cut that funding. there was plenty of ways to cut. on my budget i look at my budget and i can't afford this. i have to cut either my spending or cut until i can afford it. it's a big no. it doesn't do anything. it is a different version of kicking the can down the road. >> host: from texas, republican line, this is hattie.

>> caller: i think the government spends money ridiculously and if they look at everybody else's households and how they run it maybe they need to take a deal from how other people do their money. all this spending on ridiculous bills that we don't need and giving themselves pay raises and everything, they make plenty of money already. what about the poor people in the united states? they need to stop spending our money. >> host: >> what you can tell your legislature on the debt ceiling deal for accepting or rejecting it. you can choose one of those two and give us a call on the line, post on our facebook page, our twitter feed as well and text is 202-748-8003. politico picks up what might happen in the senate should the vote pass tonight or the bill pass tonight in the house saying

after the house's wednesday vote to raise the ceiling, days before the june 5th deadline and senate leaders may have to do procedural acrobatics to clear the bill for the chamber to keep the financial market and everything comfortable. if somebody used every procedural motion we wouldn't be done by june 5th, the number 3 democratic leader supports the deal and the one who runs this to be an obstructionist would be extremely irresponsible. standby now working some senate magic as senators want to go home but could be a bumpy ride. the clerks of the upper chamber, individual senators can drag out a bill for a week as 100 members must agree on legislation. some more to watch out for. on the senate side, should it pass, the bill passed the house after tonight. robert in missouri, independent line, good morning. robert in missouri, hello.

are you there? robert in missouri, go ahead. >> caller: hi. >> you are on. >> caller: i wanted to say 59 million people in the united states on social security who are helpless and cannot survive without it. if they don't pass this bill, i'm talking too much? >> host: keep going. >> i can't remember anything else but i'm going to remember that. how they vote today decides how i vote in november. >> that's robert in missouri on

the independent line. later on in thmorning, on c-span, the senate education labor hearing committee, pensions committee will hold a hearing on child care access and affordability starting at 10:00 on this network, if you want to stay on the network watch us there on the apps. from wayne, missouri, democrat line. >> caller: all the grants, the energy grants, all this funding, why get social security if they default on their votes? elderly and people who work on it. >> host: jane in colorado, colorado springs, colorado, republican line.

>> caller: what they need to do, they need to look at how the previous house chair speaker tore up all our country with this excess money and banking it along with half of the far right which i am irritated with, because they want to talk smack but don't want to give anything towards people or the military or seniors. they need to look at where their paychecks are coming from. we are paying them and what they need to do is start keeping their money, not ours. >> reporter: you heard from an majority leader of the senate, chuck schumer on what happens once the bill, should it get to the senate mother perspective of minority leader, mitch mcconnell. >> the american people elected a divided government. after two years of total

democratic control, two years of radical spending and runaway inflation they decided to send a republican majority to the people's house. they decided to require president biden and washington democrats start working with republicans on the biggest issues facing our country. now, divided government means negotiated deals, nobody gets everything they want but in this case it means the american people got a lot more progress towards fiscal sanity than washington democrats wanted. speaker mccarthy and house republicans deserve our thanks. they passed the only viable legislation that preserved our nation's full faith and credit and made real progress towards

getting federal spending under control. house republicans forced president biden to do his job, really just that simple. and now congress will vote on legislation that locks in that important progress. republicans have a tremendous opportunity to take on a challenge facing our economy and future generations of americans. we have a chance to stop reckless spending, to heal. soon, it will be the senate's charge to put this historic agreement on the president's desk. let's not pass up our shot. >> host: janet says call your representative and state senator and tell them to vote yes, don't care if you are red, blue, or

purple, vote yes. the next congress can do better without the drama. add your response the mix, the remaining time we have, this is pat in connecticut, independent line. >> caller: i have a question about the voting process. either amendments or passages. they announce it will be a time to grow and you look at the totals, democrats and all that and they vote electronically now and the time is up and people are being counted in the process and i don't understand if it is a certain time to vote why is continues to keep going and i wonder if they are still the voting. is everyone in person that is voting or are they still able to

present other members of their voting block? i will take your answer off the air. >> host: tell us where you are as far as the debt ceiling bill itself and whether you want to see it pass or not pass? >> caller: got to think of this country is a big bird, there's a right wing and a left-wing. if you can't get together the bird doesn't fly. i think the democrats, excuse me, going to win the game by not playing. >> host: jeannie in maine, hello. >> reporter: i agree cannon house office building 15 >> caller: to compromise and i just heard mcconnell say the democrats, they are forgetting $7.8 billion was put up by trump and they are forgetting all times the democrats, clinton,

budget was the actual budget. it seems they don't budget anything anymore. they are forgetting we had these things, covid, they forget the waters. i think they think it's fairy dust coming out of the sky that is paying for this. they want all these benefits but they don't seem to want to pay. they keep blaming the same people, silly game they are playing. they are not realistic, they are not accountable. it's like the budget but biden put up was an actual budget. the other was just a framework. they didn't put specifics in their. the republicans. so it wasn't a budget. it was a framework. there's a big difference. i have worked on budgets. >> host: what they voted on today -- >> caller: it to compromise and they should accept it. it works for both teams. >> host: the republican line, alabama. >> caller: thank you for having

me. if each of them from congress are bound, wasn't going to cut their salary, we would save trillions and trillions of dollars they need to work that in into the compromise because everybody pays into it and has been paying into it and that should be our money. they should not even touch social security, which some people only get a few dollars. congress and the president and the vice president make hundreds and thousands of dollars. if they want to just cut that in half not to mention past presidents getting paid, then

you've got free health insurance so they need to include that definitely. >> host: james is next in north carolina, democrats line. >> caller: tough point. it took time. soon they get advice and make the transaction that mccarthy is happy about but that i am still sad about the situation. get social security and disability. they still -- to vitiate the qum call. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. heinrich: i would ask unanimous consent to put us in recess. the presiding officer: without objection. under the previous order, the senate stands in recess until 2:15.

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