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possible deal to avoid a government shutdown? clark's recess is over in a big way.es there are only a few weeks to avert a government shutdown which would begin on october 1 if the house and senate cannot figure out a way to find common ground and from theut governmen. we are no closer to that goal of averting a shutdown. a lot of people this time around for like it might be more likely than not given the dynamics here. you have a senates that is trying to pass a small package of bipartisan government funding bills this week. those bills have been advanced out of committee largely along bipartisan lines and we have a house that is kind of inter- multi- of speaker having to nott walk a type type rope between

the moderates who are both demanding different things. mccarthy is hoping to pass if you spending bills in the next couple of weeks. but similarly both sides are probably going to have to settle for some sort of short-term funding patch in order to keep the government open past october negotiations. even that task. >> us talk about the senate first. an article that you cowrote in politico with the headline senate looks to get on the minibus. explain specifically what is going on in the senate but we should expect fromai them. >> as soon as today possibly tomorrow that will take its first procedural both what was

called a minibus that is a small passage of government spending bills for their 12 government funding bills the senate is hoping to pass three of the least controversial bills to the upper chamber as soon as this week. what does that really accomplish? it looks to buy senate leaders lot of leverage in the stand up at the house. they have to send a message think look at us. we have our stuff together we can pass bipartisan funding bills we are operating in regular order on this is in stark contrast to what is going on and with the house republicans which is a chaotic mess. as soon as this week the senate is going to try to take that step in passing funding bills to say hey look, we have our stuff together. it's time for you to come to the table, come to your senses stop making these crazy demands.

and fund the government together. >> does that mean if it doesn't happen it's pretty much on the house the house politically takes the blame for not getting a deal? >> in this case the house would take a lot of the blame that so much of the discontent lies. you have the senate the two women who are currently in charge of the appropriations committee's editors patty murray and susan collins on restoring a regular order bipartisan process. for getting things done in a timely fashion. they are big on touting the fact for the first time in five years they've pass all the spending bills out of committee and along bipartisan lines that stands in stark contrast to the house were speaker a mccarthy is facing a real dilemma that could possibly even jeopardize his speakership.

if conservative members who are nddemanding spending cuts that e wildly unrealistic and far be on the bills they've drafted you've got moderate members who are frustrated the speaker keeps capitulating to these conservative members. if anything is going toif go wrg is probably going to go wrong in the house in terms of what ises mccarthy going to bring to the floor and does he have enough votes to pass that? >> for our viewers if you like to weigh in on this topic you can do so on our lines by party affiliation. democrats 248-8000 providence (202)748-8001 and independence (202)748-8002 you can also interact with us by text and social media. we will have our gas, caitlyn of politico in the next 20 -- 25 minutes or so on this program. there's an article hear from

politico house of freedom caucuc rolls out to avoid shutdown. you mentioned they mentioned demand, can you give us more detail exactly what they're looking for? and if they have signaled any willingness to compromise on those demands? >> there has been no willingness to compromise on part of the house of freedom caucus. basically where this all began was summer when speaker mccarthy and president biden negotiated a budget deal. essentially lift the debt limit and avoid a much bigger crisis that would have occurred with government shutdown and debt default is untenable. you have a lot of conservatives who feel pretty burned by the fact mccarthy teams up with democrats to stave off the period that required a lot of democratic help. they filled the speaker went

back on a lot of his promises he had made member how chaotic that process was. so now you have all the freedom caucus members who are saying this is our moment to stand our ground. draft spending bills that are far below tens of billions of dollars that could be utilized better in many different ways. they are being left on the table conservatives are demanding a very stupid seifert spending cuts it's been appropriate in these bills. you have anyds number of other demands that have to be met. you have congressman chip roy who was saying he's not going to vote for any kind of continuing

resolution speaker mccarthy attaches republican southern border. he sank funding the government should be conditional on the secretary of homeland security basically resigning. if other folks say with the justice department or the fbi. a lot of the lofty demands that would never have a shot of make it to the senate or ever making it to the white house are being made right now. and how carthy navigates that is probably the biggest thing that everyone is watching at the moment. >> talk about previous government shutdowns. but the economic impact has been, with the political impact has been. >> is neither party wants to shoulder the blame for government shutdown. but never it looks good we definitely saw that with the

last government shutdown under former president donald trump republicans with the border wall. it is not a good look. it's one of those things that starts out kind of an innocuous gets worse and worse and worse as it continues over time. we definitely saw that with a 35 shutdown a few years ago. maybe initially you have agencies putting these plans into place to handle a shutdown and figure out we can operate with or without government funding which workers are essential? who needs to still be here? the longer it goes on the more people get furloughed. paycheck start to get delayed and it becomes a huge mess that spirals out of control. >> the white house has asked congress for an additional $16 billion in emergency spending.

talk about what that'sfo for and where that is right now?hi >> that's a very important request. starts with states being affected by disasters like a wildfires and hurricanes and hurricanes that are yet to come up. but that is to be another terrible hurricane season. the island of maui which is recovering from devastatinghi wildfires. to continue the recovery efforts. that request includes $12 billion for the disaster relief fund. $4 billion in disaster relief. and on top of that there's broader request with ukraine aid and border securitys funding. we are going to be political trips as well give a lot of

republicans who are very opposed to giving ukraine any more money. if other republicans mitch mcconnell say this is probably the most importantte thing we cn really be talking about right now and doing to ensure that country can continue its war against russian aggression. that we are not turning our back on a country like ukraine. over the next few weeks what's attachment a government fundingg measures to avert a shutdown is going to be a critical point of negotiation. they will help get more members on board. maybe the republicans who are wary but their state really needs hurricane relief or something like that. it's one of those things that can sort of be used to get folks on board when you have such a fractious house in the way we do right now. >> caitlyn were going to start taking calls. tim is first in michigan republican.

hi tim. >> hi. i have a comment and maybe a question also. government -- i't understand how they can provide money for people in all of this when we send all of our money into the government but then they get to choose where they get to spend it. that doesn't make any sense to me that opportunity make any sense because we give it to them. if they sat town, they aren't i think to their jobs, why would they get to keep their jobs, i tabes that's my question to you. that's it. >> right, well, i mean, federal workers certainly don't want to be in the position of losing their jobs. i think a lot of these folks want to be able to report to

work and a shutdown in their lives is not a good thing. member of workers over the country because you have federal workers working in all states, virginia, dc have the greatest number. you rely on congress to keep sending you to work to ensure that your agency can work with operable budget. if there's a shutdown, there isn't too much they can to aside from hope they it resolves quickly and not long enough you may have missing paychecks or anything like that. >> mitchell is calling from mawa, new jersey, democrat. >> good morning. i will give you my comment and

you can react to it. the republican part is furious about what happened during the debt sealing negotiations and i think the large incentive is they were outmaneuvered and they want another bite at the apple with shutting down the federal - government and even though a government shutdown isn't perceived a' a good thing it doesn't have nearlyhi the weight of defaulting on our national debt and i think also if we look at past history, the blame with

the party that instigated the shutdown. that's my comment and i would like to hear your reaction to that. >> i think that's exactly right. we discussed earlier how a number of conservatives feel that they were o burned by that debt deal in that speaker mccarthy gained to team up with democrats to overt what you described a sates trophic default. that d would have certainly rocd this country, the global economy, scenario that's never happened before, the stakes are really, really high and in this case a federal government shutdown is something that we are dealing with. every year it's a new fight. a number of folks would be affected and federal government services would be jeopardized and compared to default it's one

of the scenarios like ofconservatives can get another bite at the am. -- apple and you have a lot of conservatives saying they are not afraid of a shutdown. this is something that theye fl the federal government can handle and unfortunately consequences like the -- making sure that we are on a physically responsible path. >> and charles in texas, does government funding deadline. i think there will be a governmenta shutdown because of unrealistic demands of caucus and speaker mccarthy may lose speakership. independent, good morning. >> good morning.

thank you for taking my call. us the congress collect their paycheck, i want to know? >> i believe they do. there might legislation that that's has floated around to ensure that they are not paid if there's a shutdown. that's something that's been on the cable and certainly incentive to ensure that doesn't happen because there are members of congress who rely on their paycheck. >> anything else, andrew? >> since they took the country off the goaled standard in 1971, we have been floating paper money with nothing to back it up. >> federal workers will stop getting paid. they'll be furloughed and stay home. they are paying their back pay

from the point of the government shutdown. i mean, there is an economic impact directly on that. they are not going to work but taxpayers are going to end up paying theirir salaries in the d anyway. >> right, certainly. it's the question of how long can they two without that back pay during the 35-they shutdown. we saw that where not everybody had the funds miss a couple of paychecks, things come up and you need money to pay a medical situation. people don't have -- some people don't have the savings that they can rely on and wait weeks and weeks to ensure that they are going to get the back pay. it's a tricky situation. we are gambling with the lives of everyday people that work for the government because they would be the ones directly affected by a shutdown.

i think a number of republicans aren't afraid of the consequence and they are willing to risk it and shoulder the blame for what they see is a worthy cause. >> let's go to kevin in florida, democrat. >> no, actually i'm aca republican. >> looks like you called on the wrong line. >> well, i will tell you i was a federal employee during shut downs and i would like to share my quick perspective. >> sure, go right ahead. >> i was not able to work during that time and i had -- my wife being a tampa. we went to meet another educator and when we were picking the educator up we ran into a couple from australia and they have beenou visiting mount rushmore. i was visiting south dakota at the time and they told me that an armed guard prevented them to pull off the side of the road

and i myself and the point was, the government used to punish the american people as hard as they could to make us put pressure on politicians. the truth is, if you spend beyond your means, you're out of luck. in this case, all you're i think to is lay -- doing is laying off employees. that's what it appears to me. >> you felt that you were overpaid, kevin? >> yeah, actually, i think most federal employees know they are overpaid. they get every holiday off. >> all right. >> they get work off, they get comp time o off. it's gotten to a point ridiculous. >> all right, let's get a response. >> i mean, i think you're right

in that you are one of those workers who wasn't able to do your job and as you describe during a shutdown, things like national parks, those all closed, basically a lot of dc would shut town, smithonian museum. that all closes. >> i was going to ask caitiln about social security checks, would those still two out or would those stop? >> social security would not be affected. that's mandatory government funding. this is a different part of the federal budget than discretionary spending which is what is involved in the government shutdown. when we are talk about funding the government and, you know, shutdown and how bad that would be, that is the funding that directly goes, you know, to federal agencies. it's known as the discretionary

part of the federal budget. it is actually a very small part of the federal budget that everybody is fighting about, you know, the rest of the critical government services, federal benefits, things like that would not be affected by a shutdown but as we saw earlier this summer, a debt default, that -- there are many other implications for that but, you know, for social security beneficiaries, things like that, those, you know, that is not funded by the amounts the kind of money that we are talking about. >> all right. zach, harrisburg, pennsylvania. good morning. zach, are you there? there you are. >> can you hear me? >> go ahead, zach. >> okay, yeah. first of all, i don't think it's that you guys are noble and standing on principle when it comes to shutdown. they are basically living on house money because being

gerrymandered, you don't have to worried about it. it cost the economy $8 billion. i have a lot of friends and family who work for the federal government. by no means are they overpaid for the services they provide us. and some of those guys wind up going to the food bank because some of them also live paycheck to paycheck, you know. wewe have these guys and ladies that go to dc. green stood up and called biden a liar when they knew they were coming after people's social security. people already cutting pills in

half. it's ridiculous. it's chaos. i'm exmilitary. what's happening behind the scenes, you know? these guys -- when -- when boston marathon happened, we were working at the marathon when these guys were writing bills that allowed them to trade on information that they learned in congress. >> okay, let's get a response, caitlin. >> you made a good point when ooyou mentioned food banks, something that we saw, appealing for different kind of federal aid, state aid, anything to sort of help them, you know, get over the -- the hump until they can get back pay because, again, like we are talking about a lot

of people don't have the funds to be able to miss a few paychecks. things come up, payments have to be made, a lot of folks are relying on the critical money to get by week to week. that is somethingey that we saw when the shutdown dragged on so long during the trump mansion folks were, you know, turning to help, simply get through the day and, you know, be able to eat. >> hey, can you hear me? >> gled. >> i used to work for the government. i worked for the federal government for a couple of years and i left. i think they would be in the right to shut down the government and i understand the concern ofl the average federal worker but right now we are in a

situation where the managerial and the political appointees do not listen to the economy. they basically lie and misdirect and don't answer questions. you can ask why we don't have answers about the with trial of afghanistan and all the problems that happened, hearings about how familiess that lost their loved ones don't have answers. you had emails from nia, redacted for years and it comes out when they get tun redacted versions, oh, they knew that they were funding gain of function research. >> alex, you are going in and out. so we will try to get a response, caitlin, do you have a comment to make? >> i mean, i think you get at sentiment that a lot of folks also feel what we are talking about federal workers simply not being able to get by during a shutdown, especially the longer it goes on. n,there are a lot of folks who would be fine with the

government shutting down. there's a lot of mistrust in the federal government. i think you are getting at some of point. i think a lot of republicans feel the same way in that the government is broken and bloated and, you know, with a shutdown be such a bad thing. it's not my personal feeling, it's sort of like the sentiment. i think this continual discussion of is the government going to shutdown, can congress fund the government, this sort of fight year after year sort of seeds that, seeds that mistrust in government and the ability for the government to really, you know, serve the country and serve people. it's a discussion that a lot of people are tired of. i think a lot of people, you know, are kind of wondering like why can't congress do its most basic function and fund the government on time without it being a huge problem over and

over and over again. so i think that definitely sees a lot of the sentiment that you were trying to get at. >> lastly, caitlin, what are the next weeks, what are you going to be watching for in the last few weeks? >> both chambers have a lot of interesting things going on. the senate will try to pass a government funding package this week and lay down a marker in the standoff with house republicans, hey, look, look how functional we are. we are doing our job and that stands in star contrast of the house. i think what everybody, you know, is really going to be watching is how speaker mccarthy navigates the next few weeks and how he navigates his conference on this issue. there's interest in passing the house republican defense funding bill or homeland security bill and sort of the same vein as trying to lay down a marker in thisei standoff with democrats t

i think the -- the thing that everybody is really going to be watching is, you know, can mccarthy keep his speakership through all of this. is any sort of government funding measured to avoid a shutdown, could involve a good number of democrats just as we got through that the debt limit crisis with bipartisan help, you know, while no republican has sort of h taken the steps to directly -- really directly threaten his speakership. that can be very different this time around and you have republicans sort a of saying in not so subtle term that they are not afraid to go there. politically, everybody will be watching how speaker mccarthy navigates. awill there be a government shutdown, who knows. i think more people think more likely than not this time around. >> all right. >> sometimes these things happen at the last minute. >> we will be watching that. caitlin emma, you can see her

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