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and have civilian casualties that are suffering. the hamas attack on israel killed a dozen people will will will will will gaza will total the school approaching. the humanitarian disaster and whether the victim is a jew, there is no cause that justifies targeting or recklessly endangering civilians.

israeli has tens of thousands of civilians mindful of that is not only speaking to, he's americans in the middle east and the world he's speaking to a lot of people who are angry will this suffering, the suffering and focus on their suffering with

the world leaders that. i can't ignore the casualties is need to counsel for you, recklessly under civilians. cutting off electricity on one and war funds. need to counsel third of course is real interest in the right

thing and it has to be something that advises, it is brian is going to be mindful. they don't want to get especially it is for civilians to look atns the first of the

president issued a warning. >> mimic the civilian side. the editorial board of the "wall street journal" and hamas think responsibility for doing casualties jihadist and targeting hamas they are in power i and israel's in school s hamas and in doing so palestinian lives.

recklessly endangering civilians on a massy scale no targeted or fixed price and energy between the military and the civilian israeli population that's wrong. a rule of law, international law divided by in all honesty the

west bank is the palestinian. i don't think the war crimes as a justification is placing half

thee population of crispy not going to bring that memory we've got hundreds of thousands of people, a population by the way mostly made up of refugees, they left their homes in what is now central israel so if you witness the bombings put them in the streets, whether or not whether or not that will happen to the young people, what's going to

happen after, president of the united states that has the most influence with the parties on the ground, it needs to go beyond the moment. invite viewers to join the conversation, the phone lines zero zero one. in (202)748-8002. that professor for development, a senior fellow of the brookings institution, folks are pulling

in, i want to go to your foreign affairs fees with several folks on this question of the two states of israel one state really come to give up on the two state solution, why is it time to give up on that. >> we don't discount it down the road. what we worried about his promise of two state has been used as a smokescreen for reality which is a wednesday reality now you see cutting

through the city but also's operational sediments they belong to these towns and it is impossible to separate. we have 600,000 settlers all over the west bank. it is impossible on international law, they been going nonstop. the reality is it doesn't really accept the idea of two states. the palestinians have to accept what they have.

you have an environment we are not recognizing and they live in humiliation. people think when you explain your justified, no. if you don't explain, this is what we do. they were expecting something to

happen when they were elected. settlements cap growing and the biden administration protected united nations learning against resolutions that condemn them wasn't happening and the palestinians were completely helpless in this environment and it's usually opportunity for militant groups. hamas may not have explosives and strategic games and discuss the surprise attacks for years to come but the environment not

related to hamas and you do have the extremes in history, people who are not shy and the high levels of security very clearly supported of violence including their right to attack and increasing so in terms of conditions on the ground, horrible conditions, we need to mindful, hearts are hardened, we see in israel attack that is terrible for a few days and obviously how many people now

are hardened enough to turn gaza -- >> let me -- >> but at the same time, this is hardening on the palestinian side of our hearts, nothing should ever justify the targeting and i hope our hearts never did so hardened. >> i've got about 20 minutes left and plenty of colors lined up. in richmond, virginia, independent . >> thank you for being on the program first question i have, can israel be charged to the client and the international court of law in sweden? without even happen? do you even think netanyahu even

want to state solution? 's actions over the years completely annihilate the people and not give them a solution and my final comment -- >> regard to genocide, i'm not in international black and they determine that, we know human rights organizations, the boys identified were crimes israel as well as hamas but it goes without saying and the question

be done to pursue that? there are cases underway, it does obviously the ability, the international community to punish is minimal but there is some restraining factor that takes place in some cases israeli military leaders were dissuaded f from going to different countries. so there is some impact but i doubt very much that would happen anytime soon and as a supporter of israel to prevent those cases from moving forward, we have seen for example the settlement the clearest case put

aside war crimes by each side when you're looking at the settlement issue which should be clearng, illegal under national law with them yet every time united nations wanted to take up the issue, a new settlement is taking place in israel and vetoed the resolution were prevented from coming up and that is why there is no accountability and impossible to reverse. >> good morning. >> my question, why don't we give the palestinians the same technology israel, the iron dome, antimissile technology,

that would sees a lot of destruction on both sides and neutralize the situation. my other question is, maybe a little absurd, the allies of israel, why don't we turn to the new israel to give people dual citizenship and make -- >> her take up your first question.ps >> the first question, put aside the sentiment in congress and the white house israel palestine. mentioning this article based on the book collings and i put together, we recently published that book was saying talking about the entity, you're talking aboutin managing t west bank but

the nature of statehood, all that area is controlled militarily and even gaza which does have more, especially hamas controlling from the sea, the air, the land controlled by israel with egypt controlling the path to egypt except his control by israel because it is the southern tower so there is no palestinian state for one thing to do anything or empower them to defend their people or control and a real way a domestic arena in whichna they exist so that issue does not come up.

arabs and jews and palestinians are supposed to live in the land together, no one should be pushed out. no one should be deported or made homeless. they are to the together. it is deeply unjust sermon on the west bank is akin to apartheid and that's not something that should be tolerated. i don't see a political solution on the horizon for whatever solutions will take place, it has to be equitable, just. it has to protect the dignity of jews and israel's, palestinians, it has to bring freedom to both

and i'm sure we will see horrific violence over and over again and we need to give up the political horizon. i think the biden administration not for the attack but not working hard to create political horizon for both israel and palestinians. they have managed the crisis instead of creating real hope for people. >> this is linda, republican. thanks for waiting. >> good morning. i believe like you sir, there should be peace. the biden administration needs to stay out of this. let netanyahu do what he does best to protect hise. people.

when the biden administration is getting involved, it's getting dirtier and dirtier, it's all over the world palestinians are doing, not the ones next door and i think the biden assertion is doing a terrible thing, they have no soul. those people who were murdered, innocent babies, grandmother my grandparents, there has to be a solution and the biden administration is not going to bring her to the. let's pray for peace all around the world. thank you very much. >> thank you, i do think that there jewish or arab child, they were cut short, hard to know

exact numbers but hundreds of children killed in the past ten days and young kids have loved ones and families, thank you for focusing on that because i think it should be front and center, this meant covering, we cannot just think of a strategic game winning and losing, the issue on the table, everybody has to consider, it's way beyond that. my fear is that biden, the u.s. has, we of course are the biggest backer of israel both in terms of protecting his united

nations the use more than any other country in the world providing israel with cutting edge technology and the cherry posture and dominance in the region aside from the billions was given and given some funds to palestinian authority for humanitarian purposes and more importantly the major interest in the region and we are in because his troops in the gulf region and israel connection that could draw us into your business of the biden administration, they have to be mindful to look after america's

interest. there is israeli government the they will just the right thing. israeli people have seen them fail in this attack encountering and there is a lot of division. right now like everybody else can see how much mistrust there is, can we? not just in terms of limiting but in terms of doing things and

drag us into a war. >> how much do you think about ongoing peace talks and why would hamas care about talks? >> it's really good question and the first thing is looking really shocked by it. those of you watching and everyone is israel and in a world, no one predicted this and it's not surprising hamas want to do it and not able to tell a

couple of days later when the a lot of questions about the will and israel will visit on the boat in terms of it was entirely or an opportune moment for years in a short period of time with planning it was related politically, they have to calculate where they can, they are q reading this there for the

west bank or girls are now all of it belongs to us and many of them say that and they were counting israel and its occupation with outstanding occupation. a few things related that would and in that sense, there's a lot of resignation, no political no

everyday life and that's where they exploit. i know people get confused about that. >> about five or ten minutes left we take to close here so we can respond because there's a lot what is your question or comment. >> is there anything can do in terms of israel pending rule is about to happen in gaza?

will mention people will the in the south of government and horrific conditions and dissipate disease and the rest because there's no sanitation, what can we do with this problem? long-term problem deserves attention that we have axi proximal problem and we have the president going there, what can he pull happening? as we hearat from joshua in silr spring, maryland, or pelican. go ahead. good s morning, i have a questin about the un partition plan of 1947, this idea perhaps that ingenuity is debatable but my understanding is back design it,

whatever you like about, the arabs countries that we don't accept it as it continues in some form today with hamas and frederick the idea that there won't be or shouldn't be in israel so how do you reconcile trying to have people live near or with each other when they know presence in the other perhaps there's some possibility of pursuing resistance? >> let me start with the last question history, both moved well beyond that and two state

solution because it happened after the constant and trying to find settlement they will written that and we interview, there are a lot of reasons in this round. the state and the west bank and constant and secure and modifications as people suggested. both majority and augustinians and israelis would jump on it

immediately and i would recommend they do on the horizon so therefore, i think it is more of a rhetorical statement. hamas is part of the problem but honestly, the problem likely to survive israel and israeli government and hamas extremes and others because even without a mask, there was nothing on the horizon in 2006 before they took over and hamas doesn't control the west bank so hamas as part of the problem but not reason moving forward in finding a solution. on the question from the first,

creative process not my job happens in terms of the university, i am not we have people who care, israel's and palestinians and have the right to grieve ... , into the to

discourse, to contact the but there's also humanitarian, lots of organizations that are trying to at least in the short term because we have such a catastrophe on our hands in terms of cumulative catastrophe. there are a lot of organizations that are doing good work under very, very difficult circumstances. they need a lot of support. and we need to, and that's something i think a lot of the energy particularly regarding the alleviating the suffering go into helping many of these organizations. >> host: shibley telhami is the anwar sadat professor peace and development at the university of maryland. his book from earlier this year code written, the one state reality, if you want to follow more of his work a great place to go is via facts. you can find in at shibley

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