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podcast where you can learn more about the authors of the books featured. ♪ >> we are going to take you up to capitol hill. congressman of california joining us this morning. congressman it isus going to be and is it another busy day. less than 10 days from a possible shutdown, show down once again. what do you think it will take for democrats to support any sort of short-term funding that republicans are trying to propose here? >> we are willing to support its. as long as that is in line with previous speaker mccarthy made with the president mccarthy paid we had a deal with the government. we should be able to fund the government through all of 2024. but at least we should have the continuing resolution based on that. we aren't going to agree to cut

the epa with public schools, cuts in cancer research or medical research or childcare. e program earlier and we talked through the idea that proponents are calling it a ladder approach. funding some programs for a shorter amount of tim for a longer amount of time as part of this continuing resolution. what do you think of that approach? is that something you have heard of before? guest: it is a washington accounting gimmick to lower the top line number. at but at some point all of the agencies need to be pungtded i wrather that we do what the deal was and fund a government and not put people in a situation where they dongt know if they're goingot to get a paycheck, not t them in a situation whether or not they going to get services on education, health care, on child care, so i just think we need to fund what the deal was.

outside of thehe agencies themselves this is emergencyil funding request for israel, for ukraine, what do you think happens here with those proposals and how quickly do you think some of that legislation gets moved? >> well, it was irresponsible for the house speaker to tie the funding for israel to drastic cuts in irs enforcement, and that's why it didn't get bipartisan support.rc so my belief is that the senate is likely to act on the president's request. there needs to be a bipartisan bill that emerges from the senate and then the house will take up that senate bill. but it's probably going to fall on senator schumer to provide the leadership. >> so when it comes to ukraine funding speak or johnson will talk about tieing funding of that to funds for border securities. is that also a tie that you

disagree with? >> it is a tie that i disagree with. i believeve that we need to have make sure putin doesn't succeed in taking over parts of sovereign ukraine and ukrainians have done a tremendous job in fighting that. it is also providing a deterrent to xi jinping in invading taiwan and we need to make sure that we don't snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and give zelenskyy what he's asking for i'm hopeful that the senate will do that. >> going back to israel and defeat an victory how do you think israel is defining victory here and -- how close is the line between defeat and victory? >> well the attacks on october 7th were brutal, 1400 innocent civilians killed and then, of course, hostages, first thing is that we immediate to make sure those hostages are released. the perpetrators of that attack

in hamas need to be brought to justice. but we also have to have extraordinary regard for palestinian lives. understanding that most palestinians in gaza have nothing to do with hamas. hamas is tweal in many ways subjecting them to awful conditions we need humanitarian aid to get into gaza water, food, fuel and a pause to be able to do that and the bombing in gaza should not hit dense, civilian sites. schools, churches, mosques, hospitals -- even if hamas is using people in gaza as human shield. still that we have to be israel has to be targeted in going after hamas and better track if they're in these residential sights and make sure they're only making attacks that don't have huge civilian

casualties. ssmghts there more biden administration could be doing to push for those humanitarian pauses to -- to put israel to be more careful in what it is doing more surgical? >> i believe antony blinken is doing that andie pushed explicit for humanitarian pauses and explicitly talked about being more surgical making sure that -- the great care under international law is being taken for all civilian lives. and that you don't have bombings of refugee camp hospital website civilian sites i think we all see those images of children killed i understand it is a very complex, i understand that hamas often has its operations in these civilian places. but you can track those folks. you can get the terrorists and tunnels or when they leave, there just needs to be a surming call approach. >> congressman, i know you have to run and it is a busy day but

i want to shift gears. we showed i think it was yesterday on c-span apartment part of your recent date vivek ramaswamy how you ended own the debate stage with a republican presidential candidate. >> gone to university of chicago my all ma -- and said i have this conversation with vivek ramaswamy i'm open to talking to people on the other side and we had a twitter exchange and he said i'll do it but i want to do it in new hampshire which makes sense given he's running for president there. we went to the same college and to his credit he kept it civil. it was a exchange with two people who have a very different vision for the future of america. but we need more conversations like that. >> do you think america is going tofe see that in the third republican debate that's taking place tonight in tampa? >> i doubt it. i think he may have more zingers

tonighthe than he did with me bt i think what the country needs is more conversations like vivek and not base on trying to score rhetorical poapght but really articulating fundamental differences we have about role of government and improving people's lives about -- theer need to have tax policy tt doesn't give breaks to the wealthy. about american leadership and foreign policy, and we just have very differentip views. i hope some of your viewers will get to watch it and to see substantive differences. >> they can see it on c-span.org, do you watch republican o presidential debat? >> i do you know and to be honest i see the social media clips. i don't have time sometimes to watch the whole thing. but tonight we have both at the time of the debate. but i certainly tune in to see the best. >> i think the first votes today are taking place i in a half an hour and get back to work appreciate the time. >> thank you. appreciate it. we're going to turn to

congressman buddy carter republican of georgia member of the house of budget committee joining us via zoom this morning. congressman good morning to you. let's talk about the budget and government funding. we are less than ten days from that novembernd 17th government funding deadline. are you n expecting another onef these shutdown showdowns or is there a way to avoid it? >> well there's a wie to avoid it, of course, if we can pass the cr and we're discussing that now. whether it be really two proposals out there. one is refer to as a ladder. that is, you know, we have already passed seven appropriation bills so we have them ready to go so why can't we go ahead and negotiate with the senate and get some of these bills passed and then have a continue resolution for everything else. that kind ofti makes sense to m. you could -- you could extend it for the bills that we haven't had a chance to pass yet and we haven't had a chance to work with the ?ats and compromise, and s conference on yet and go

ahead and have those take effect that we have. already passed but have a cr for everything else and other proposal is a clean cr to get us there whether it be december 15th or whether it be -- january and some time in january there's been discussion about january 22nd. there's even been discussion going out as far as april 15th. so we'll see. but i'm confident that everyone wants to avoid a shutdown a shutdown is not good. we allut understand that. but let's keep in mind, a shut down is not the worst thing that could happen. the worst thing that can happen with be for us to continue reckless spending that the federal government that has led to us being almost 34 trillion dollars in debt. that is led to us spending more on the interest on our debt than we're spending on defense which is number one responsibility of our government to protect our citizens.

that is inexcusable. >> i should note cr congressional short hand for continue resolution got us through the deadline. so you describe a couple of options -- at what point and again we're less than ten days from november 17th. at what point does the republican conference say which option they're going to back here? when do you come together on one of those? >> next week we're going to have to make that decision next week, obviously -- the 17th is friday and friday and we've got to have something done by then otherwise government shuts down and no one wants that. that's notwn a good situation, t you know, that's what we're faced with right now. so i -- i'm very confident again that we'll get something done that willid carries through to allows time to finish these appropriation bills. what we'veoud of done thus far i was disappointed we get get that last night. it was cold --

but hopefully we'll get back to it today hopefully we'll get financial services done if we can get those two done and we have got nine out of 12 over the bills done in the house. and over 83% of the discretionary spending will be -- will have been taken care of so -- you know that's pretty good. it is not 100% which is what we've got to get to. but it is -- it is closed. >> why did housing and urban development that funding get pulled last night? >> one of the things you have to keep in mind is that we're under regular order right now so we're allowing amendments to be offered and oftentimes, many members really don't commit until they find out what amendments are going to be in or what amendments are beginning to be left out. so thator has an impact on somef these bills. whether that was the case last night or not -- i don't know. i wasn't to that information. but i do know it was pulled at

last minute my hope again is that we will get back to it whether it be this week or whether we push it into next week. i do hope we can get financial services done. today and tomorrow, and that we will be -- we will have at least eight bills done if we can get financial services done. >> and then congressman, thing with your budget committee expertise, outside of the regular appropriations process and these bills we've been talking about it is emergency funding bill house passed there. israel support bill last week, speaker johnson talked about a ukrainian support bill time funding for that with more border security. what happens that bill? what's your expectation? >> well, there's a -- there's a lot ofon angst right w within our conference about ukraine funding, and it's not that we don't support ukraine. we do. we get it. we understand how important this is. we understand the role of the united states, and as leader and

democracy in the world that we can look ill afford to let putin. and one that we would leak to see ukraine do more of humanitarian aid. we -- we okay i think for the most part sending weapons to ukraine for them to fight. but the humanitarian aid really should be handled by ukraine and they are doing a pretty good job with that now. secondly, we, of course, don't want to see any american boots on the n ground any american troops in ukraine. but thirdly perhaps most importantly i think what we really want to see is a plan how is this going to end? how are we going what's the light at the end of the tunnel here for ukraine? and that's what i hear of my constituents saying and hear a lot of my colleagues saying. now tieing it in the border there are proking and cons to that many of our members you know that is number one issue for us is securing our border.

we understand how important that is to the american people. but again, you know, that, there are members of our conference that feel that should be separated from ukraine funding. i think that the idea here is to time together and it would give us a better chance of passing ukraine funding and maybe some truth to that. >> and then final minute here. congressman on the israel aid bill, if that bill is dead on arrival in the senate as senate democrats have said it would be because of how it's funded with cuts to the irs -- what happens here are there other options who move aid to israel? >> well first of all, i'm sec and tired of making decisions over here in the house based on what senate may or may not do go on as far as i'm concerned on that. what we were showing was fiscal responsibility. we are not going to continue to spend taxpayer money that we don't have and build up this

debt that is greatest threat to ourt, country of anything else. and you know, if the senate decides they don't want to pass that bill then show us what you want to do and then let's go conference and let's try to work out something but we have to stand with the israel and we need to get them the funds as soon as possible. >>nd congressman buddy carter member of the budgets committee republican of georgia. and do always appreciate your time thanks for chatting us on the washington journal. >> thank you. very good wednesday morning you can go ahead to start calling in now and take you to lead story from the columbus dispatch this morning this is lead paragraph ohio votedth to enshrine accesso abortion and reproductive rights in the state constitution on tuesdayod pushing back against decades of gop restrictions shoring up protections more than a year after the u.s. supreme court overturned roe v. wade. that's the probably story getting the most national attention this morning after yesterday's state elections. but here's some headlines from

around country journal this morning out of kentucky four more years kentucky governor andy bashir a democrat in a red state wins another term. to virginia and rich monday times dispatch glenn youngkin comes up short as democrats hold virginia state and flip the state house. and then out of mississippi, it is thean ledger, a mandate for governor kate secures a second term with a hard fought win over brandon presley democrat ex-governor's race those are some of the election results some of the most high profile election results we want to hear from you this morning and said go ahead and call in and give us your reaction as you're calling in.al we're going to talk with the -- with the economist washington bureau chief there. following yesterday's elections what was your take away from last night? >> well it was a very good night for democrats. you know, earlier this week there have been a lot of hand ringing about national polls that come out that showed that president biden was in a tough

spot and ahead of 2024 white house is very happy with these results. you know, we see in kentucky democrat was elected. in ohio, voters there chose by a pretty large margin to enshrine right to abortion in constitution and governor hoping to secure try trifecta with a bw failing to flip the state senate and flip back against him. >> so when you're talking about a good night for democrats, obviously we turn now to a election 2024 talk of whether this means momentum. what do these elections in the year before of presidential election what do they usually mean is momentum something that can transfer over 12 months? >> well this is something that -- you know, everyone who starts for election results try to pour through and examine for what will be in 2024 and i almost view that, you know, these have

limited forecasting ability. for onehe they reflect the views of the state. you know, even in kentucky my home state for example, andy bashir son of a popular governor himself steve bashir, that explains some of his popularity there. the other democrats who are running statewide for treasure attorney general and secretary of state did not do nearly as well as andy bashir and lost by 20 points which was roughly what you would expect to have in 2024 and other point of point and tun the election is different from that -- in a presidential year like in 2024. people are going to come out to the polls to either supports or not support joe biden and donald trump and still electorate will make the transfer on to the other year and other democrats will take the victory when they can. they would like to say that this is momentum and some element to it.

but as far as what this tells us about presidential year it will be a tight election and it won't be easy one for joe biden. >> what do you think for ouch we're hearing about issue of abortion over next think if theg lesson to be drawn from the races but those we saw earlier this year it's the -- the powerful impact that abortion has on voters decisions.on so in ohio we saw yet again an example of how red states vote on this issue. they want some access. they don't want the complete advance that largely came into place after roe v. wade was overturned. so in ohio voters there voted by margin of 14 percentage points which was large in wisconsin earlier this year. supreme court justice which was to abortion also went by a lopsided margin so these are

clear victories for democrats when it comes to actual candidates running -- we also see that this has some lift potential, you know, in even in kentucky -- conservative state andy bashir attacked dan cameron republican opponent for the extremity of kentucky criticizing attorney general for his support of a law that didn't provide exceptions for rape and incest, and that was -- that was potent attack line. i think it is going to be one that you see democrats ahead. >> when it comes maybe to more immediate impact on a day that we're set to see the third republican debate in virginia. there was a lot of discussion about glenn youngkin republican governor there possibly be a late entry into the republican presidential primary. what does this mean for glenn youngkin after losing the state house and democrats holding the state senate in virginia what does it mean for his electoral

prospects nationwide? >> yeah. so you know people have been hoping that glenn youngkin would be their hail marry to avoid a trump recoronation like they said logistical reasons by was people realized to begin with. but you know, the governor himself see through the idea open he said he was focused on stated ace races and the idea that if he won he would have momentum andhe spin that into becoming anti-trump candidate that could make a dent as all of the -- you know, ron desantis nikki haley not manage to do so i think the fact that he didn't do very well last night means that that -- that fantasy for however long it lasted is over and republicans are going to have to pick someone who is already announced. and given current polls -- i think that is probably going to be donald trump. >> washington bureau chief for

the economist joining us via zoom this morning it's economist doirk appreciate your time after a late night thanks for making it an early morning with us. >> thanks so much. phone numbers to join in discussion after last night results we're focused on ohio, but also the races in kentucky and virginia, and mississippi. here's numbers call many 2020-748-8000. independent sharon sup first this morning out of glen oak maryland line for democrats, go ahead. caller: good morning how are you doing this morning? >> what are your thoughts on results last night? caller:ll glad that democrats dd well because right now the way things are going on with the republicans and the donald trump this -- what they do is depressing and frustrates we don't need all of

that. when i go out to vote i vote for persons to represent me and look out for, you know, my problems and, you know, all things that's going on and straighten thingings out.go i don't nobody going -- being, you know, electing office that's not acting right because republicans all of those people need to -- need to get out and start over fresh.ca and have people that want to do the right thing for the people they representing. i don't that because i have children, you know, generations, we don'tns need those type of people in office at all we don't. you know, i wouldn't want a crook around my house because i'll call the police some of the people in office they just like crooks they don't have no respect -- anything at all. for the people they supposed to represent and i hope and i -- >> sharon thought you were done

in glenn oak maryland which west virginia democrat good morning. caller: yeah good morning. before i get to my comment are you allowed to say what -- what bill is doing these days? >> b bill is enjoying his requirement i saw him recently. but thanks for asking i'll let know you're asking about him, chuck.. >> he was a great host anyway i'm not the sort of of person it's been 36 days since i last called by the way. i'm b not the sort of person to say i told you so. but -- donald trump's three supreme court appointees kept on swearing up and down about how roe v. wade was set a law and precedent and being a blah, blah, blah and as soon as they have the opportunity to do so, they overturned it and now look what a mess we are in now. and i think there's a lot of -- i've talked to a lot of women out there who say that they

would never have an abortion themselves they might even publicly describe themselves as pro-life. but with the overturning of roe v. wade, they're a little bit nervous they're a little bit discomforted by the fact that suddenly you have women in red states that arere losing their self-determination in ways that menlf simply have no frame of reference for. you don't have women legislating against men's reproductive decisions. do you? so now, ohio become ohio is like right next to west virginia ohio becomes only the 7th state that the pro-life people have lost when this issue has been put up for a popular vote, and i'm just wondering is this the hill that the republicans want to die on? >> chuck out of charleston, west virginia this is bill out of massachusetts.

republican line, good morning. caller: hi. how are you doing so looks like -- looks like the democrats have stolen some moreem elections -- and we -- if we're not careful, we're going to have just democrats only i guess in the house, the senate, thewe presidency. and every state it will be all democrats. this is the body that's for unborn babies being killed, one. therefore, exterminating the jews from the river to the sea. there's a body of death i guess next to 75 -- and you don't make that much money you have to be put to death and this is america? the land of the free, home of the -- home of the free, land of the brave? this is the body we're going to vote for -- the body of death? bye-bye now -- >> that's bill in massachusetts. this is karl independent south

carolina, charleston, south carolina, good morning. caller: good morning. i just had some thoughts about in kentucky. the race governor's race and everything, and i think that people in kentucky really woke up and realized who they love very much their attorney general. but i think they could second thoughts about putting black guy and a caucasian lady in the state house i think that is marmingt thing that kept them from putting him there. if he married a black lady i think he would have won. >> why do you think that, karl? abraham -- maryland is next independent, good morning. >>ou yeah. good morning. caller: i'll try to reflect on that lesson last night to the last caller --

in kentucky also do with the issue, the issue -- it is different if people vote on fear lives, public will always win but if they vote on issue, issue -- i mean, try to have student with law against it. and prescription drug and cheap for everyone and vote against it.ea i mean what is there for the public to have to run on that i have to go in inloo. i'll go to the public line. i'm listening, i went -- this is where the republic has done to go in line and vote for republican. thank you. >> thanks abraham, reaction from president biden yesterday. his tweet from his campaign account saying across the country tonight democracy won andto maga left voters polls dot referring to those latest polls, showing him down in hypothetical race against donald trump in

2024. the president saying now let's go win next year and then linking to a donation account. the vice president kamala harris also taking to x yesterday, with her thoughtings on last night here's about 30 seconds of what she posted. >> democrats just won in virginia and here's what that means. across the country voters are rejecting extremist plans to ban abortion. it proves that not only is it bad policy, it is bad politics. while democrats won and protected reproductive freedom we still have a lot of work to do because extremist leaders still want a national abortion ban. so that's why we need you and we need you to be involved in our campaign. together, let's maker sure votes around the country know what is at stake next year. >> so kamala harris on x last night, "huffington post," the liberal news website with this headline this morning about the

wins by democrats last night buckeye blowout, ohio votes for abortion rights. the sub headline saying win after win for abortion rights, democrats hold virginia and flip the assembly there. key supreme court victory in pennsylvania democratic governor winning reelection in red kentucky again that's the huff post.com. if you go to the other side of the political aisle -- breitbart with their sum up what happened last night conservative news website saying here's what happened last night. the country voted for homeostasis on tuesday generally speaking. the left won its abortion battle measure in ohio no surprise there. they say that democrats held governor mansion they were defending, the republicans held the one they were defending referring to kentucky and mississippi. democrats held the state senate? virginia and they look like they might be aboutmi to take over te house of delegates so one-half of one state legislature is bluer and bluer i