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presidential nominee former president donald tru i holding a rally in florida less than a week for the rublican national convention in milwaukee. watch live coverage when it gets underway here on cspan2. >> jason at beardsley senior coalition advisor for concerned veterans for america here to talk about aspects of the nato summit when it comes to veterans and military involved. thank you for your time for a quick thank you for having us very excited for. >> a little bit about the organization remind people whatt the issues you deal with the point of viewin come from. >> concerned veterans for america for the preeminent advocacy groups we talk about policies responsible. i'm a military veteran. many of us all represent the foreign policy tip of the spirit if you will in combat and in places throughout the military. when we come home fromla that there is a pressing need for us to have a voicepr inside the policy debate. concerned veterans for americans represent that policy we apply

realistic thinking and smart practical thinking what is a large part of the united states defense budget. procedure done with the veterans improbably hearing what are they saying to you not only about nato involvement in ukraine but the united states involvement? >> we have to look at veterans in the widest spectrum. they run the gamut paper tickly combat veteran like myself have seen how foreign policy plays out overseas. that makes it more poignant for us. also we become more skeptical because when policies have not committed clear objectives and if not use the military effectively and our previous engagements we have to slow down and ask the hard questions are we doing the right thing by the american taxpayer? and of course americans love a victory. americans want their military to be the best they can. a we are talk about strategies to do that whether that is on the defense side or the healthcare side would veterans come home and need the repair of the government. >> when it comes to ukraine one

of the right questions we should be asking? >> the rightsk questions as alws was a clear objective? what's the purpose of the military?he how does the taxpayer benefit the most mutual benefit for are americans bearing this burdens overseas. how much should we be involved and then of course asking the smart question how do we get our partners to be strong allies in thato so we are not lifting all the birds of a burden. >> does the questions were the answers to you? >> answers to us are really about a collaboration of strength we are not the only lopsided partner in this. we are not only there but have borne most of the burden for the last 75 years. we are celebrating this week the 70th anniversary of nato. it's that time to shift the focus and the burden for european defense first and foremost my european allies. once they are in a makes nato stronger and makes us a better future.

>> if i understand greco karen greg if i'm wrong what comes the great note boots on the ground what is the concern about the use of those resources? >> first, push back a little bit that military special operations guy. we do have advisors on the ground we have intelligence assets may have a diplomatic mission. there is a full ramification of personnel in a proximal relation to the combat zone. you are asking an important question about what else is important if we are not having direct military confrontation what is important is an escalation strategy that can happen over time which we have seen from the invasion of 2022 and now tongue but deep strike missions into russian territory that puts the united states as the lead partner in a hot war with russia, a nuclear power but we have said we've got to be very smart about how we deploy number one our forces. and secondarily how to deploy

our financial responsibilities previous guest talk to endgame or figure out how this ends for everybody involved including the united states would you say that is not been sketched out yet? exhibit is been sketched out it's not been clearly sketched out by the american public. you talk about the endgame this is one of things veterans like myself have dealt with for the last 20 years. there's never a clear strategy on how does this end. for all of the money all of the power and all the influence the united states has with our allies we ought to be the lead diplomatic negotiation board and gave it with the offramp look like? how do we get back to a place with the russia we are not in the hot or proxy simmering work was our guest with is it going to ask questions about the event this weekend you can do so on the line two 202-748-8000 for democrats 202-748-8001 for republicans. an. independent's 202-748-8002. you are former if you are a

veteran want to let us know your perspective to you can call two 202-748-8000 three. as always you can send us a text at that same number as well. you talked about the last point appointment comes to a resolve. is that the best solution inner my mind? >> we do not have a lot of good options here we have been and the engagement for about three years now as a partner supporter to ukraine. the problem is i can go on for a long time some of the wars can be 10 years maybe even longer. so the united states looking for what happens after this is important if we are not asking us questions now we don't want to do is get to the end of a conflict like we did in afghanistan and iraq and leave whatever investment would put in the battlefield for the enemy are the opposition to take over if we are not planning that out do not have a clear understanding of what that may look like. >> you wrote about this and said

the combat veterans the problem was clear american military conflicts today lacked the traits so often characterize the earlier campaign can you elaborate on that? >> absolutely. what characterizes a great campaign we know precise of the end goal is. what this wouldn't look like we heard a lot about that from the invasion of iraq and afghanistan. what you end up with platitudes or generic statements of what we want victory but no one defines that so as a soldier on the ground yet a very difficult time working with the population trying to understand what is the end goal here? clear objectives and a full commitment from the united states anything less than that leaves us in positions of quandary in ambiguity and ambiguity for the military source that can happen very. >> give a slow but your military background how it informs what you dost today? is a spent 22 years in the military the navy and the army in the first persian gulf war too post 911 campaign a special forces 2 operator doing

clandestine and military operations on the battlefield. having that object gives me a view of not just the battlefield itself but the policy that nests up against it where the policy is lacking is were soldiers like myself have had a difficult time coming to grips with how our week disposition for the wind? >> james with us from concerned veterans for america but we are from rhonda. rhonda's it illinois democrat line for our guests a good morning go ahead. >> good morning. you know i really think we ought to give ukraine some airplanes. there is no reason why not do this no way to fight a war but it's obvious putin once the old lithium that ukraine has. that is what he wants because it helps him out.

hey is nothing but little hitler. as far as orb on who is in nato, i give him an ultimatum he could not refuse. you want to go over and play pattycake with a russia? we will so you write out of nato and you sure dhec are not going to get military aid from us. i mean this guy stands by trump he is just like trump. the guy raped eight 5-year-old little girl i know what kind of people they are progress as rhonda in illinois. >> rhonda, i appreciate number one your passion calling from illinois where the great states is always contributing to the military alliance. you mentioned and rhonda talked about how do we ensure ukraine can win and talk specifically about the airplanes has been on the table from the beginning it's been a bit of a hot topic there's a bit of complexity

there german mccall address the nato summit yesterday spoke very aggressively about having the desire to get airplanes ukraine. there are large contingents or cohorts of politicians whoho won that. want that. as another cohort offered giving the deep strength capability to ukraine can lead to the escalation with russia. once ukraine is ours to penetrate into russian territory now wess are talking escalatory war that puts the united states almost in direct confrontation with russia that has been the concern. it is complex are those who agree there should have air capabilities. the united states has been very aggressive but air defense patriot missile spill here an announcement from nato this week aboutiv increased per the requet of zelenskyy took six or seven patriot defense systems. look for that to be reinforcing their air capabilities.

the important thing is not who orin how but we are engagement russia, throughout this process for us to get to an end goal or end situation if there is no and dialogue or diplomatic treaty will have a much harder time this wraps up for. >> are lined for veterans is a steve in virginia go ahead your next step. >> is a veteran myself i spent a year in iraq and i totally appreciate your guest comments about lack of end goal and clarity in the mission. i would chime in i think the goal in ukraine is pretty clear. it's to force her russia to back off on the aggression we cannot have countries invading other countries in the western world. it is a nonstarter. totally understand the escalation concerns. have the fight now have a larger fight later it's super delicate but it is a clear goal that's all i had to' say. >> great, thank you steve from virginia a neighbor resident of

my thank you for your service in iraq.. as far as he clear goal the question we are coming giving counter to russia's what that goal looks like on the ground in the geographicaloa borders whetr it's the eastern provinces or what russia occupies now, crime yet there's talk about retaking crimea which would lead to an offense of strategy from ukraine. in the general form pushing back it looked to the state department that it apartment of defense lloyd austin talked about our goal should be to her russia and quickly put pain on their strategic forces. you could argue it done that pretty well soou far that itself is not an end goal. it is a direction or sentiment those goals need to be articulated are we okay with crimea in the hands of russia or to insist on retaking that in

the region are those it necessary for a win? what is the actual victory look appreciate those comments and your time and again.e it is complex that is by we need to hear more from our leaders were. >> present by love these of certain american weapons to be fired to targets on russian soil. what is the decision it self and doesn't lead towh larger mission when it comes to what's going on ukraine? >> americans to look at the decision and ask the question what's happening here? at the beginning that was off theni table that was seen as a provocation leading to escalation. when the decision changes in the middle of the confrontation three years into it americans rightly want to go to the president say what is the calculus here? originally that was off the table pervert specifics reasons.

relative to the operation of the strike itself as that changes and a yesterday were from other representatives talk, they should build a strike wherever they want in russia when ever they wanter specifically targetg the energy supplies. those of us in the audience have to wonder what was there ever a mission strategy here? was there a clearly defined goal or is this something they change every timeng something changes n the battlefield? he can be sure as one thing is a military veteran and whatever battlefield whatever planeon change plans you have will change. the purpose of the organization concerned veterans foror america to ensure the leaders are helde accountable for a transparent clear on ambiguous victory. or support decision for quick to what degree talk to the white house about your concerns and want to spend their response to that conversation? >> i have no personal direct talks we have made our position very clear one of things we

asked for strengthening of allegiance in general there's a positive here we have seen european countries commit to the 2% target of gdp spending for defense. there is are in 2014 this year we are projected to have about 23 other countries meet the 2%. so it is working. we had to say this is a president after president going all the back to eisenhower your pass to take a role in their defense. concerned o veterans for america likes to see the europeans will strengthen their military readiness and thereforeeu become in stopping aggression we have seen in ukraine.bu >> let's hear from noel in upstate new york republican line hello. i just want to say i'm 76 years old. i watched vietnam go from advisors to full-blown or i've watched the all start with

military assistance of boots on the ground we have advisors and things like that. they expand very rapidly there at the conference table they are not settled on the battlefield. i am concerned for her future futureveterans getting involvedn this. this is a real mess and it has got to stop her that's alls it got to save her. >> thank you. jason barely should name. >> thank you for your comments. been a keen observer watching these escalate it is my concern i wrote in newsweek article when we start with things like

advisors on the ground they tend to escalate into. u.s. military service members in harm'spu way. once that happens we felt that investment with further investment. but to noel's point in vietnam my experience in iraq and peers of mine in afghanistan what we see is when they are not clearly stipulated with the precise mission is in world war ii or we have done other occasions we don't stipulate up front we end up w in these long conflicts tht do not have clear outcomes. they don't have clear outcomes the american taxpayer is more investment over time expanded mission you talk about that it's been a concern of ours but also veterans around the country that's why consider veterans for america has advocated aggressively for smartrt policis more necessary and a stronger

commitment. >> ask about the white house communications they controlled the purse strings and approve that part. >> great question. congress is split it's interesting right and left the consensusbuilding for congress members to start hearing what our concerns are domestic economy is somewhat struggling america.people in we have other issues we are concerned about. continuously offering more and more expenditures for foreign aid overseas and things were about 113 billion four ukraine that is allocated. as direct military assistance. while congress has been vacillating on this issue they have committed to ukraine for the long haul and general we've heard from representative mccall yesterday one thing he said as

he expected more backlash from the american constituents. the congressman went back to the district they did not get the same backlash they anticipate but that means is if americans are concerned about this they have to let the representatives know that's part of what advocacy is about her. >> he is in miami independent language go ahead you are next. >> thank you for taking my call. thank you and all the veterans for your service the to meet the objective has been stated the objective is to over throw up mr. putin. there also is been no diplomacy whatsoever. in your previous talk was a liar for him to suggest putin is going to over throw your is a complete joke.

the guy is a liar. we are on the cusp of world war iii. to think about putting troops on the ground to defend ukraine is absolutely ridiculous. and finally if you are president would you be for diplomacy or for the hammer? thank you. -- how do we get out

of this situation but because there are real lives at risk, generations of ukrainians today being >> and will never recover from that and n longer it goes on, te more humanitarian crisis escalates at the endgo of that united states can find itself back in the seat of supplying reconstruction aid for the next five, ten, 15 years. so this isti not a small concern steve and i appreciate that your sober remarks about taking this conversation sergesly so we're not exaggerating and referencing global leaders from the past. that's not important to this conversation. we need to be clear and from our leaders and those who are in this space it is important that we're very articulate about what we believe. and tos make a comparison of te

way former guest allegedly did does not help the american people. >> previous caller brought it up what about your or your organization concerned about concerns of the president -- >> our organization looks at morelt issues rather than political personalities so we have to see through the administrations and whether you take again, a longer approach from p eisenhower through reaga, through, you know, bush and clinton and to obama, trump now biden. what we see consistently is that when the united states policy is formidable and grand strategy articulated the president become not quite irrespect of to that but a leader in that space and what we need now is a leader to help the europeans really commit to their full strength. their full commitment of defense. that is going to transcend up with politician versus another so we're looking more at the long haul rather than the actual personalities. >> if i may follow-up do you

think this impacts his ability to be that leader? >> if there are health questions for the administration the american people have a right to ask those but the entire administration is a mechanism it is a machine that's at work. what we've seen in the last four years is a demonstration of that mechanism whether you agree or disagree the united states doesn't stop running. but i think there are definitely openings for people to again to ask those questions. that's up to the political process and we try to stay out of politics and maintain a focus on what's the best thing we can do for our veterans today? >> here's roses in tennessee republican line for our guest, good morning. >> good morning, i'm a conservative, i'm not a war hawk and my husband is a veteran. when i say america first, i mean supporting american made products and services did you knowri that only 11% of our annl gdp is from american made products? we both agree that we need to take down the imperial stay behind armies called operation

gladio and world will be a safer place if we continue to threaten russia they will fight back as well they should in their own defense. we move the 850 bases from around the world and fund them inar longer. nor will we join in the military support of nato wars. i refuse and he refuses to arms stand behind bases for proxy wars in the name of spreading democracy have a great day. >> appreciate that tennessee volunteers always strong with the military and we can hear your passion as well. i think you know, for frame a little bit of rose's concerns it is about our disposition in our forces i think we have 80,000 stationed in europe and mentioned bases those are all questions that relate to veterans and taxpayers in america. a what is the properties disposition for our force so what we've said in concerns for

veteran for america is small allocation of funds making sure we prioritize our overseas engagements as we face places like china and endopac it is important that our allies on the european front are strong enough to commit a defense that is deterring russia like vladimir putin so we think the whole thing hangs together and when we want the united states to invest in our own domestic production and own defense it looks like having right sized partnerships not the unbalanced lob side one for 5 years united states again bearing 16% of the nato burden it is time at the 75th if we want to go another 25, to look at how does your make up for that? >> one more call this will be from bula in newport, tennessee democrats like go ahead. >> how are you doing this morning? speaking out on turn because make reference to the examinations of the president.

i believe that was a yes or no question, on the yes line that we need to -- he needs to have his privacy in regards to his medical situations. and that we don't have to report this own body even though we may be in the public eye -- >> that was from the beginning of this show you're on with our guest now. what do you have a question specifically for him? >> this is rargd regarding the military. >> go ahead. i have issue with -- with the military in going to seek it out. i've noted you saw parts of the -- that there's a limited number that are getting, promoted. it was in the military. i realize that it is supposed to get to e6 that more people they

have no interaction with, comes in andnd makes a determination whether or not that they should get to raise through the rank of the e-7 and beyond and all that's right because they don't have anything that paper in front of' them to make those decisions about soldiers moving up in rank. >> okay bula in tennessee thanks for the call go ahead. >> i think if i were to capture some of the sentiment about promotion system and it is one i think we can speak highly of the united states military has been a traditional military with a lot of reporting and a lot of mentorship and training at the unlisted level including officer level there are questions about how do we improve that or make it better? i think it is worthy to ask those questions about promotion systems, but the nco core noncommission officer core inside the united states military where i cool from has been one of the strongest nco

core in the history of militaries. so i have a lot of faith in how the traditions in the foundations of our military have been established. but that doesn't mean we relax and silt back particularly with new crisis we have to evolve asking questions about promotion systems that's absolutely appropriate it should be done in the context of what's worked well in the past. >> peace and "newsweek" find it online american lives are at stake if nato doesn't set a better course. our guest services senior coalition advisory for concern veterans for america. thanks for your time. >> thanks pedro. >> coming up 2024 gop presumptive presidential nominee former president donald trump is holding a rally in florida. less than a week before the republican national convention in mil milwaukee watch live cove when it gets underway on c-span.

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