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or a professional staff or simply somebody who knows what we do and are willing to trust us in that. the fbi experience helps you to to learn more about that. it's grew out of the fbi tour, which started in the 1930s as a bunch of exhibit cabinets outside of jager. hoover's office. and it became so popular that within years. it was the second most popular tour in dc. the president still beat us, but you know, that's okay. and over the years it has been an incredibly important way for people to learn about the fbi and to see how we work and what we do and learn a little bit about some of our bigger cases. and ultimately to learn why we do things and what we do so that they can understand it. well, we're in the hoover building in downtown d.c. on pennsylvania avenue, pretty locked down building. who's allowed in here to see this fbi experience in museum? well, obviously, access to fbi

headquarters, given the sensitivity of a lot of the information and matters that we deal with is very strong. the tour was originally made so that the public could actually come in and the sections of the building were physically, in many ways separated from the rest of fbi headquarters, post-9-11, when we had to shut it down, that changed. then when we rebuilt it as the experience, we decided to go on the model that the white house does and people are able to make reservations through their congressional representatives office to come and visit us. takes a little more pre thought and you can't just walk off the street anymore, but it does allow people to come in and get to know us and for us to show off a little bit. well, the fbi, of course, has been interest started in leveraging the latest scientific and technological changes for the investigations. we do. and since our lab was created in 1932, we have been at the forefront of trying to bring the

latest developments into the forensics world. and this exhibit shows a number of those techniques that we use in this case, simply trying to track the trajectory of bullets that were fired so that you can figure out where were they fired from, perhaps. how tall was the person shooting? you know what other things might have been involved in this? and that allows us then to actually recreate the crime scene. and that in turn allows us to to figure out exactly what happened, to describe it in court, to presented in court and eventually show how the the accused is connected to that crime. so there's a real science to that. absolutely. there is a lot of science. it and this went from, you know, back in the early 1930s, we were looking at whether you could tell if it was human or animal blood and very quickly to typing blood, you know, what is the blood type of the human blood that you found? so you can it to victims or

potential suspects to dna and the applications of dna technology revolutionize, forensic work, the trajectory of bullet trajectory is rather old in that sense. ballistics and that study have been around since the 1920s, 19 tens. but the idea of using laser pointers to help you determine the direction and the path of the bullet is something new. and in fact, you've got a display here that we can touch. bob, i'm going to go ahead and fire off the laser level's here. so you see the the the dowels up here, of course, go into the bullet holes and because they're stiff, they maintain the angle, the pointers at the end of it. and it shows where the bullet originated from and from where that is. you can tell things about how the person was holding the gun, how tall they were, how far away they were. and that in turn gives you more

clues to follow up. so the green that we're seeing, the laser green on the on the wall there is the laser beam from the pointers originating exactly. and they come in here at the top of the bookcase. you talked about dna evidence. i guess i use the generic word forensic. is that a is that a fair word to use? i think it's a fair word. it's certainly a common one in use. it entails all variety of investing options, though in the early days it was a lot of physical comparisons, you know, looking at layers of paint, you know, on a car is, you know, if you think this car was stolen, did it you know, the thieves tried to disguise it, you know, or marks and gosh, you know, how is the blood spatter and things like that? and, you know, some of those eventually get some of those eventually get challenged.

you basically have to figure out how you make it so it's valid evidence. those are all things we take into consideration. it's been around a long time beginning in the 1950s the police work is of age and late 80s with law enforcement and eventually the courts to figure out how present constitutional valid evidence while also making use of the scientific techniques out there. >> it's vital to all that. >> it's an important wayca of identification showing some direct evidence.

>> fingerprints. how long have they been around? >> the early chinese and those aspects -- >> starting to become -- mark twain wrote a book that centers around the identification so the bureau is in the teens and early 20s, early 20th century that it becomes useful. through the 19th century a different system relied on various parts and it changes over time. no connection whatsoever where they proved to be much more identifiable with one person and

took it over in 1924 and became the center of the management of the u.s. >> what's going on? >> it's meant to look like a surveillance set up. for many years we've had situations where we report back in the 1940s who were investigating a journalist. ... that led to the arrest of several congressmen for taking bribes. or it could be more recent

espionage case. we've often had situations where the best evidence you can get is someone actually talking about their own crimes. and so you have to put them at ease. you get them into a situation where they're willing to share that information and expound on it. of course they don't know you're being filmed. we went this room is a favorite with folks visiting. we have our screens obviously were you can see what is going on in the roomm and then of course in the room itself people went to find out where are the cameras? they are not easy to find. they are pinhole cameras. and so you have to really search for them. >> host: a one is in this picture that's on the wall here. you had to point out to me i did not see it. >> if you look long as people tend to find them eventually. sometimes they need a hint or two this one is in the bottom corner of the picture. i'm not going to tell you where

it is you're going to have to come find it yourself. stu and jon fox or walk us through the timeline of what you have of the fbi experience, the milestone. >> the fbi's been around for hundred 15 years or so. we 1 were created in 1908 and so that is around too where we start out with a copy of the orig order by attorney general bonaparte on july 26 that basically announces the creation of a small force of special agents to that u.s. attorneys. it says, if you need a detective cult washington talked to stanley finch, first chief. from there we were up and running in the first days of july at which was a start of the fiscal year. it takes us through a number of ouryo cases. whether it's the investigation from t the 1920s and into the 1930s and the kidnapping of the lindbergh bay beat to world war

ii, including operation in south and central america were resending under cover agents to gather intelligence about nazi plots. through the civil rights era. and the many issues that arose there. we have been involved at every major incident and our history since we were created. see what i am intrigued by the shrinking world 1970 -- 1988. where did you come up with that? >> the idea is that in the 70s and 80s the world seems to be coming closer together. we areco on the verge of the personal computertw revolution. the networked computers will be taking off in the 1980s and the internet brings us even closerer together. but the 70s are showing we were interacted with things going on in the world. whether it's the terrorist action or the beginnings of financial crimes. or simply the number of people

trying to hijack u.s. airplanes in flight to cuba in the early 1970s. which really sets off the trend for a time. obviously that carries us through the cold war. the end of the cold war and then things really take off. then we realize we need to have a lot more international representation because of just how closely things were connected with or organize criminal operation, major drug groups counterterrorism and cyber espionage start becoming major issues for us as well especially post 911. we don't show it but we do have from the world trade center. and of course the shanksville bombing we will also have something from the pentagon as

wellim to represent just how important that was for us, for america. probably half of us were working from the days afterward. and of course went to increases in the end authorities, increases in our budget. significant changes in our personnel we brought on board analysts and takeback across our bureau and it really full partners of the intelligence community rather than sitting on the outside as we often do. >> mystery is there behind the triumph of law? let's see let's ask j edgar hoover who as a young attorney became a 19204 director of the g-man. >> there is nothing mysterious about the manner in which the federal bureau of investigation works. it's formula is a simple one intensive training, investigate highly efficient personnel. conduct intelligence and

integrity. >> we continue looking at the fbi experience jon fox there's an exhibit about j edgar hoover. you are right he was and remains a controversial figure in american history. >> very much so. on the one hand hoover is recently credited with building and incredibly important organizations. so many ways he made the fbi what it was. on the other hand he also showed us where we can really mess up. were we can abuse the trust, the authority given by the american people to protect them and uphold the constitution. thinking specifically on matters concerning doctor king. and the abuses of his role and has access to try to damage doctor king's reputation is something that put a black mark on his reputation for all time. that's why he has become so

controversial. we went 19204 he took over the agency. it's been 100 years. when he took it over the agency was very small largely unknown the federal level without the bureau of prohibition was in the treasury department. hoover came in at a time when the attorneyse general had been dismissed. the director of the bureau had just been dismissed. and immediatelyrm began to workn a series of reforms under attorney general stone. by 1935 we become the pinnacle of law enforcement in the country. we were the top agency. that' reputation was maintained through hoover's career. >> spectral agent must be a good marksman and have the courage to shoot it out with the most venomous of public enemies us know how to take fingerprints, what to do them after words. no matter how seemingly unimportant can be overlooked.

he must have the fact science is criminal investigation but he must realize no case ever ends federal bureau of investigation until it solves with the conviction of the guilty the equipment of the innocent.t. >> jon fox, how do you address her at the fbi experience when the fbi gets it wrong? >> it is not always easy. but frankly it comes down to it first of all just admitting we do try to do that. this is a story about how we work i think our story is largely one of success and dedication to the mission. we do hope those matters that sometimes show us not at our best. hoover gives us a chance to talk about that. some of our espionage exhibits two. we can talk about the betrayals of robert hansen highly praised

counterintelligence agent. these are things we have to recognize. we are in agency that made some big mistakes at times. our story over all is one we are protecting our fellow americans and upholding our constitution. it's a privilege for me too build tell that story. but again that to make that part of to make since i have to admit the other part two. >> it's an important thing to do. we went soap mr. fox or the fbi experience wiser in newark police department vehicle? >> every single case we work ends up bringing us into contact with law enforcement across the areas we are working in. federal, state, local, tribal. we have to work every day we have different jurisdictions, interest and concern that

ultimately it's the best way of tackling problems. this whole gallery is meant to show those partnerships from patches on the walls of thousands of different police stations we work with to of course a police cruiser from nypd. we work with them every day this went has license plate reader that of course ties into some of our databases as well. over the years because of our role and basically maintain that thenation's criminal identifican and history records we have been sharing that information across the board with law enforcement. and everyone has to tap into it. it really becomes the thing that brings us together and trying to protect our nation. spoon that's a national crime information center? >> they have all of the databases we have the criminal justice information services. 2024 is r hundredth anniversary of her identification division

that whichin eventually became a criminal justice information services division. back at 19204 the bureau took over taking care of the nation's criminal history records, basically. the criminal identification records, fingerprints, birdie on cards and so forth. we'vein been managing them ever since and bringing in those arrest records those identification records from law enforcement across the country and even the world sharing information about fugitives, who we are looking for because they committed crimes against us for taking information from other nations saying we are looking for these criminals because they committed crimes against us in sharing that information to see if we can reach common agreements on that person. >> to state and local officials attend the fbi academy or can they attend the fbi academy? >> the fbi academy across united states or sizing application and process has been in effect since 1935 when we open up our first

national academymy classes. iou like that with the directorn the 19 '90s he said we need to develo' bridges it is these interrelationships what to do, what the authorities are, what tools they have at their command. it allowsow them to know what hours are and work together to solve common issues. but we have been involved in has exploded since the early one of the 1980s. though started out in new york the first joint terrorism task force the bank, robbery task force across the nation. the first 10 most wanted list came out in 1949. there was a recorder who approached us the list of fugitives that you are looking for but we gave them a list of

10. it became so popular that the next y year we decided to make t a regular feature. and so we used it as a combination of both investigative tool and publicity campaign to basically let the american people know these are criminals in the midst of trying to find them. in two we would really like it if you had information you could share with us. over the years we put more than 400 some people up on the list. we have caught the vast majority of them. a good one third of those captures have been from from tips from the public including taken the fbi tour. >> the list we see behind your set a current list? >> this is our most current list. we keep this up to date. we capture somewhat you'll see a little sign that says captured. when that person is taken off the list and we are debating we will actually keep that spot open until a new person has been identified and put in. >> host: fifty years ago , 74, patty hearst, what happened?

>> of patty hearst was the daughter of william randolph hearst a wealthy man very well known californian. she was kidnapped by a terrorist group known as incipient youth liberation army that a grown up in california out of some of the remnants of the more radical elements of the late 60s and so forth. they had engaged in bank robberies. they were associated with killing a a public official in california. they had decided they would make demands of hers that he provided money for the poor and other things. and basically for the release of his daughter. but, as time went on and she was not found, she ended up saying she was joining the group and was caught in video and sightings of course engaging in

some of their activities. robbing banks and something like that. and was eventually found and so them put on trial for some of those activities. stew and the fbi involvement in that case? >> the fbi was a lead agency because of his kidnapping, it was such a common affair because the sla was a domestic terrorist group. we were trying to track them across the country. but given their small compartmentalized nature and basically they are a lack in some ways a public exposure took us a long time to finally track them down. >> host: did bonnie and clyde did they put the fbi into the mind of the american people in many ways in the early 30s? to theal culture basically it. because of the gangster era. bonnie and clyde was not her biggest case of per se but we were certainly involves our agents especially down to

louisiana or helping to try to track them down at the time. dillinger though was in some ways a national phenomenon. when he broke out of jail in 19 early early 1984 his style catapulted into newsworthiness. and it was a time because of the gangster crime going on the attorney general said there is a wharton crime going on. we are losing. you put the bureau after that and in confronting dillinger finally in chicago he tried to escape. as he is turning and pulling his gun out his shot by fbi agents. all off the sudden the fame dillinger had seen in the papers transferred to the fbi. and it was in light of that we brought down a number of other gangsters. hollywood started to take an interest in this. congress allowed us to name the federal bureau of investigation

for the first time before that we dump a couple of different names. and all of the sudden law enforcement j edgar hoover. >> the atomic on the iconic tommy gun you have on display is at a gangsters gun or fbi weapon? >> that one specifically i am not sure of. something we purchased were try to keep up with the bad guys and of course the bad guys also had some. they tended to steal them from others. i would suspect that it's one of ours. the lesson we had that was identified as actually having been owned by a police station was returned to that station when we realized it. it's a matter of whose property it actually is. >> we talked a little bit about 1974 and patty hearst.

1972 -- 1974 the watergate era. what was the fbi's role? you could do a whole museum on that i am sure b of a small display here at the fbi experience. >> the epi is a principal investigator at the agency and the watergate matter. when the burglary happened in june of 1972 is on a couple weeks after j edgar hoover died. immediately the washington field office was on the case. there were some odd things about it. it was targeted national democratic committee headquarters which was unusual. two, they were caught with electronic surveillancee equipment and other things. and three, there is the origins of the five people arrested were odd and seemed to suggest perhaps shady government ties to some extent. and that bureau became a fairly investigative work. the management got pulled into

the politics of the day. senior administrator under hoover and then under gray who was one of the people in washington d.c. leaking to the press about the matter and potentially compromising the case. the impeachment hearings of nixon. it was the build up from our own investigation that really showed what was going on. >> host: jon fox here at the fbi experience it looks like we've entered the 21st century. >> this exhibit assert cybercrime and cyber espionage jurisdiction. those who be around forr a whie the first cyber espionage case was back in the 1980s. issues with computers or a mode

of time has been around this long if not longer. but really as the internet exploded, as the world became connected with so many electronic signals as bank robbers and terrorists, and spies, and so many others took to them to basically used for theire activities. we had to get involved. and certainly since septe september 112001 investigations, our role in this field has only exploded. >> host: with the advent of e crime and e warfare, has it changed the mission or the structure of the fbi's wealth? >> does not change the mission. it is still vital to what we do. it doesn't sometimes create new issues. simply the bulk and the ease can

be transferred electronically can make all sorts of issues difficult from collection to maintaining it as evidence for court and of course the constitutional protections that goes across all weer do. on the other hand were looking at crimes committed by other means. human trafficking, espionage, even terrorist activities. fraud have all been conducted in a noncomputer world. but the computer adds a new dimension. it is a difference in kind or quantity? it's probably some of both. >> host: what's the case study have on thegh walls? >> it's walking through basic cybersecurity investigation. showing the hacking of a healthcare facility would get investigated out and how many different permutations flow from

that.. it's an incredibly complex field because of all that is involved. >> host: at the very end of the experience was founded when he was a fling from the boston marathon where he and his brother had set off to a homemade explosive devices that killed three at the finish line. and then they got into several fights with local law enforcement as they tried to escape killing other people until he himself wasll killed wn trying to escape. was injured and hiding out in massachusetts.d he was parked in the residence and the house. theta people in the area were td to stay indoors. law enforcement federal and state were all looking for them. the owner of the boat noticed

the cover was a bit out of place. there were some other signs suggesting somebody was and that hehe informed the police that ce and confronted while he was there. something happening that they fired him he fired back. it was hidden behind the while block in the back of the boat. so despite the gun hold in the front he was at least not seriously wounded at that point. the fbi was called in, the negotiators work to basically get them to surrender and come back out so that he could be arrested and receive medical help. >> host: this is in the display about multiagency work. first of all was the fbi's role when it came to the boston marathon? >> the boston marathon is a major national event. and so we provide basically federal security help. thee organization of that is a

task force and there are different levels and so forth. but we play a role in that bright once it was determined it was a terrorist action we did become the lead agency. we would oversee the investigation. the actual manhunt t was of coue an ongoing thing in m the local police were very much interested in helping out. so everybody was looking for the bombers are. >> it was the process of getting this a boat from the owners? from the people who lived in watertown, massachusetts. youns can see given all the dame of the insurance company basically declared it, this is trash. and so they paid off the policy to the owner. they took possession of the boat and offered it to us. since we were looking to highlight some of our big investigations in the last couple of years the certainly qualified. it also enabled us to talk about those cooperative efforts. we've got a motorcycle from the boston pd. we have and another part a

cruciform nypd. it allows us to show we work withth local, state, tribal law enforcement really across the country. >> what i noticed in reading the information about this investigation t is that the two bombers their names are never mentioned. >> we try to focus on how we work with law enforcement. obviously you can look up the bombers names. they roll off tragically the tips of ournd tongue. we spent spent so long developing the evidence, presenting it to court and bring it forward. in this case we want to focus on law enforcement, security cannot be done working together. we have been recognizing people who died in the line of duty for generations and the fbi. it started out with people who

lost their lives in adversarial combat basically. the first was ed shanahan killed in chicago 19205. they investigated and tracked them down to a parking garage where he picking up a car. it was a day when shanahan was not carrying his personal revolver like he often did. but mark did. we were able to track him down he got arrested and sentenced to death for the murder. >> do you know offhand how many fbi agents have lost their lives in the line of duty? >> well over 100. we are about do to add another eight to the wall. agents and professional staff due to 911 investigation illnesses.s. in the other conditions the very scene of the pentagon trade

centerer and in shanksville they developed cancers that would not have developed otherwise. they have been proven very lethal. we went september 11, 2001. how many agents did you lose, do you know offhand? >> we have added close to 20 at this point and i expect we will be adding more in the years to come. >> host: i want to ask about an earlier age and her name was sheila. >> she was the first female to die in the line of duty. she in another agent were traveling back to d.c. to conduct their duties. was the bodyguard for the wife of the attorney general at the time. and so she was on duty. the plane went down in a crash that killed everybody on board. spew what she was a first female agent lost? what she was the first female

agent loss in light of duty yes. >> you also want your canaan partners here. >> weaves canine partners in many circumstances from bomb sniffers, to drug us differs to electronic sniffers. but we also off course use them for various more physical issues. and in the case or the one dog was killed in the line of duty. we do recognize that as well. >> host: jon fox fbi historian. thank you for walking us through the fbi experience and sharing it with her c-span viewers. >> thank you, we look forward to sharing with as many people over the coming years. >> c-span or history unfolds in daily. in 1979 c-span was created as a public service by american cable television companies. today we continue to take it to congress and other public policy

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