>> there is one side that seems intense on expanding government provided care. and theyo honestly don't care if it's done in an efficient way if it's done and eight wasteful way or not. you have a one party that wants to expand the market places and they will do that by increasing the subsidies. they will do that in a way that induces people to misstate their income and have fraud. paragon health institute we issued a paper dealing with that. because of the changes in the subsidies structure that were included in the rescue plan and extended in their fight inflation reduction act get no premium care. they pay nothing. that's a great incentive for

people to misstate their income and we estimate that four -- 5 million people are receiving care who actually who are not eligible for it. in about half of the states they were more people claiming they fall in the income range then there are actually in that income range but that's costing usif probably about 15 or $20 billion a year. you also have abi party that is not really seem to care if there are peopleha enrolled in medicad who are ineligible. we had a program during the pandemic that told states not to look whether they're eligible or not to keep them on and incentivize the states to do that. that kept getting extended, extended, extended until about a year ago. and now the federal government is pushing back when states try to disenroll those folks who are ineligible. that's the kind of thing. there is the feeling that you just need to get as many people on as possible.

is getting people onto plans that are really not very popular. daca marketplace of plans prior to these expanded subsidies never talked about 10 or 11 million per year. that's about half of what the estimated were going to be enrolled really got an expansion when you provided free stuff people love free stuff so they signed up for. >> there are issues of waste, fraud, abuse. trying to expand these programs. you do agree this is the fault line in 2024 when it comes to healthcare? >> it is hard to say. there really has not been a lot that's been part of the discussion on healthcare for one of the parties. i p think it's a little bit challenging. what doctors and burgers shared i think is right in terms of that being one of the fault lines. we take a pretty significant issue with that analysis. i think there is a difference

between somebody i was a self-employed person who is trying to estimate how much money they going to make at the beginning of the year end somebody was fraudulently and ay enrolling in an insurancely pla. and i think to the extent you have brokers or actors engaging in that kind of activity, that should not beth happening. i think there's a difference in what to dore about that. only to handle fraud is to actually go after fraud. another way to do it is to kick everybody off health insurance. it's a very odd choice to be making. but i b think that is one fault line.s there's one party for expanding access to tax credit. to government subsidies to purchase private health insurance. and thener there is another that works very hard to limit access to government funding insurance care.su >> healthcare in campaign 2024 is our topic this morning phone lines as usual democrats two 202-748-8000 republicans

202-748-8001. independence 202-748-8002. andrew and doctor jewell our guests. with the center for american progress actions reviewers who do not know what is that? >> nonpartisan policy think tank. works to advance progressive policy across the united states. >> in you mentioned at the top of paragon health institute. you work with the center or competitive enterprise as well. explain to viewers with those two in situ stew? >> paragon is a nonprofit nonpartisan health research institute in washington d.c. it aims to improve americans health by empowering patients and reforming government. the competitive enterprise institute noted cei is also a nonprofit think tank in washington d.c. it is a.c libertarian think tank that tries to improve

government, limit g its influene and empower people and empower individual liberty. stu went with her guesses were until the top of the art 9:00 a.m. eastern for go ahead and start calling in. weg are checking your phone calls. rosenberg -- dr. zinberg, what happens to health care affordability and and access under a second trump administration? guest: there is a lot of handwaving about what will happen, but during the first administration health care access was pretty good. the trump administration tried to expand access by >> the trump administration tried to the expand access, so that i included things like short-term limited duration planses, association health plans, reimbursement arrangements. these are all things that give people improved ability to the choose their plan. association health plans is a way for small employers to band

together the and purchase insurance together as one big group. that gets them a better price and incentivizes small to provide insurance for their employees that they otherwise would not be able to the afford. but the biden-harris administration, immediately reversed all those plans, put them on hold and then ultimately changed the rules. so i think you would expect to see more of that in a future trump administration. >> host: would you agree health care access was pretty good in the first administration of donald trump? >> guest: no. what we saw in the first trump administration was a relentless attempt to overturn the affordable care act. we also saw a former president when was intent on having roe v. wade overturned and nominated justices who then did exactly that. you asked before about fault lines in this election, and i

neglected the biggest one which is a woman's right the choose. and is we also saw president trump enact pretty harsh rules early on during his tenure like the public charge rule which threatened people with, who are not citizens of the united states withe the threat of deportation if they use public benefits. we saw medicaid enrollment decline and a chilling effect that has lasted for years, that has continued well into the pooch. we saw defunding of the assistance and enrollers, the people that actually help people access the aca marketplaces. we did seetp is, however, some attempt to introduce more transparent transparency to the -- transparency although it has had limited impacts. >> host: plenty of calls when we're having discussions on health care. kevin out of lakewood, or washington. line for democrats. kevin, you're on. >> caller: hi. yeah, i'm one of those black

male callers has sport -- supporting kamala from earlier. but, yeah, on health care, we shouldn't trust any republican to do anything positive for people on health care. they've been trying to kill the aca ever since it's come out. and then you had the republican states not accept the aca and not implement it. but you've had since then kentucky, you'ved had idaho, you've had people who are poor inn these states put on the ballot. and when it gets to the people, they vote for i. -- for it. he's saying that people lie about their status in order to game the system to get benefits? i can see some of that happening because people are desperate, and the insurance companies have beat people down over the years

and denied claims and all that a stuff -- all that sufficient and increased their net worth on the backs of people in denying them claims at the time that they really needed the service. but i would never trust a republican to give me concern to have anything to do with healthb care. >> host: kevin, got your point. joel zinberg. >> guest: i thank you for your comments and questions, but i do think you have to looked at this sort of stealth campaign to increase

use it to decide what care is best for them, expand the types of things they can use it for. take part of the aca subsidy and put it into their health savings account so they can decide how to use with it. expand some of the other choices that the i talked about before. then in 203222 when the pandemic was winding down, those things were extendedded and and now you

have a push to extend them permanently, andme that means $3 billion of spending over 10 years organized the -- according to the cbo. and we're in the middle of some record deficits, is that what we want, to be providing subsidies to people with more than 400% of the federal poverty line which is what those subsidies apply to? if you have a family making 750 of fpr, concern fbl, they're getting subsidies of $22,000 a year. -- 2,000 a year. is that what we want? that, you know, people who can easily afford care on their own to are to get -- have to get subsidies from the t government? and they're getting subsidies for a type of insurance that has narrow networks, that is lower quality than employer-provided care. but this is coming right from

the kaiser family foundation and also for the from the paragon association is. people have it hard the obtain care where less than 40% of the doctors in their area are in their marketplace plans, and about a quarter of the people can't find a specialist who can treat their mar condition. >> host: to that point, i get the sense you wanted to jump in here. >> guest: yes, yeah. i guess i would say i'll focus a little bit on the marketplace plans. i think there's so much to say. one is that i think it's interesting that so much of the conversation is about whether we subsidize care or access to insurance for people who don't have any other option that's affordable, right? individuals who can't afford their job-based coverage if they even have it offered to them and folks who might be self-employed. rather than -- we're talking about that, we pend a lot more subsidizing the job-based coverage that people are. that's not free, right? it is a that is tax-exempt.

that costs a lot of money. we make a decision as a society that we think that that's a valuable thing the pay for just as we believe it's valuable to help people who are working at firms that offer that kind of coverage in order to enable them to access care. i think we ought to to believe that people who don't have that option should be able to afford health insurance. i mean, this isn't free care. well, some folks do get zero premium plan ifs. others pay many -- plans. others pay in. i want to the speak to what the experience is like concern i'll just share personal story. my father, who's in the state of florida, worked for a small business. he, when my parents got divorced, he did not have access the affordable health insurance. this was pre-aca, actually. he had a cancer diagnosis, and at that point time the exchanges were stood up, and we could actually get him a plan. so for him, the experience was don't get care or now we have the ard if, care act --

affordable care act a, and he could get care. it's kind of remarkable, again, i think that we're having this conversation about whether that's something that a nation like the united states should be offering its citizens. >> host: let me bring -- >> guest: i do think that's a bit of a straw man because no one is talking about abolishing that option at this point p. you know, you're looking at a system where 92 of the people who get -- can 92% of people who get exchange plans are getting it via subsidy. these are extremely unpopular plans. no up one was signing on mt. past, and no one -- very few people are signing on now who don't get a subsidy. if these plans are -- were so wonderful, people would be blocking to them s.ng and you've gone now from a

>> host: colleen on our line for independents, goodnd morning. >> caller: good morning, just calling to chat about the affordable care act. looking ater it from a middle class person's framework, most people in california middle class about a $890,000, the 80,000, the affordable care act is costing you about $850-1,000 a month to get it, especially if you're an independent contractor, a realtor or let's say abu its the. you -- a beautician. you can't get on any other type of plan. you have to pay for that yourself. so my suggestion is there's a sliding scale. i myself went on the affordable

care act exchange and realized, this is true, you're paying around $9000 -- that doesn't even include dental. i don't know about vision. but most of my friends who are beauticians and realtors don't have insurance because they can't afford it. so -- and then you have our governor here who puts noncitizens on the plan. it's really kind of destroying the middleti class, the affordae care act.. and what i would suggest is just like -- it shouldn't be a sliding scale, it should be if i'm paying 10-12% of my gross income, affordable care a act, then i think peopler, maybe the millionaires and the billionaires should be paying 10-2 is the %, and if -- 10-112%, and that extra money where they're paying, i don't know, throw in any millionaire, the bushes or the kennedys, that would help pay for the noncitizens that are on the plan. there shouldn't be a cap. everybody should feel the pain of paying this exorbitant amount

of money. >> host: let me bring this to to the round table. you can start. >> guest: yeah. thank you so much for that question and that point. and i think this speaks, again, to the benefit of the enhanced subsidies. it's p created a situation overa certain percentage of income, nobody at that level should be paying more than 8.5% of their income toward premiums. that was one of the things that the enhanced subsidies fixed. before, once you hit 400% of the poverty line, you were off the cliff. now we have a situation where nobody at that level is ever going to be paying more than 8.5%. 8.5% of their income towards subsidies. in california as in other states, i mean, states make differental choses about who thy want to provide expanded -- choices -- but i think i would agree it's important to actually make it such that people can afford access to to these plans.

as with employers, right, if i have insurance through my job, it would be very expensive for me too pay the full cost of that premium for myself and my family alone. that's why we see such limited take-up of cobra a policies when people exit from their jobs, right in there's a dub the city city -- subsidy that the enables them to pay something for that coverage which is how the marketplaces are structured. i would agree it's important to make sure that people have the support to be able to a aboard that premium. >> guest: these are very heavily subsidized plans, subsidized by the federal government. so when to you say you want the millionaires and the billionaires to, i guess you're parrot toking the bernie sanders line, they are paying. i mean, who do. >> -- the federal government is subsidizing all of these plans, and they're doing it with revenue they collect via tax. and we have the most progressive income tax system in the world here.

so those, those -- that money is being collected and being used. but, you know,w, i think most americans would probably be surprised to learn that someone with 750% of the federal poverty line needs a subsidy, an extra subsidy, to buy the health care. why can't they pay, you know, their fair share? at that point, why do we need to induce them on to this plan that the they wouldn't otherwise buy by providing this sort of subsidy? so that's why i think, you know, the dichotomy between the two parties is one party wants to get these wasteful subsidies, let them expire at the end of 2025, and i think the other one wants to extend them permanently with the goal of including as many people as they possibly can on a government-provided health care

>> caller: if you're wondering, basically, i guess -- bernie sanders, kids -- the. [inaudible] if they want to burn all this down. health caren. is what is going e cause the crumbling of this country. and the prices for everything, it's just, it's unsustainable. we're bickering about subsidies, there's no other way to solve this problem is just to abolish the insurance industry. these doctors need to be making way less money. look at these guys, they make millions of dollars. we need to pump out doctors from our schools. we have to go to the universal health care. our countryry is so sick. i mean, i'm talking not just

mentally, dental, vision. ourun country, like, it is the n the brink. obamacare saved my life, but it is trash except for two things, pre-existing conditions and the no limit, basically, on what you get your deconduct,. because of that -- can deductible. i agree, the people who make a little bit of money, they get hammered on these prices. so we should just get rid of all of that -- >> host: bradley, got your point. how did it save your life? >> caller: i had -- well, i was, like, 30 playing basketball, and i couldn't afford -- [inaudible] two years i'm limping around, and then i finally got the affordable care act. andre once i got the surgery million about february i'd met myby deductible. never mind the painkillers, but i had a drug problem. i was able to take the affordable care act and go to rehab for nine months because i'd met my deductible. for the rest of the year, they

had to pay -- i got mine months out in california, it and completely saved my life, man. >> host: bradley, thank you for sharing your story. let me bring this to the round table. do you want to start on this one? >> guest: no one is talking at this point about a getting rid of the affordable care act a, but we are talking about what's the best way forward. there are things youth can do to improve the current system, and there are things that i think have bipartisan support. you could, for example, medicare sphere, you can do -- look at what's called site-neutral payments where we have a system where we're wasting money because we pay more for services, the exact same services that are provided in a hospital setting than we do in an outpatient setting. that can save money. you can reform the medicaid program. you can reform the medicare advantage program by improving, making it more flexible and saving money by looking at the variousin benchmarkings, the --

benchmarks, the various bonuses that are probably not really warranted. there are all kinds of things you can do to save money, but you don't have to do -- improve the health care system overall by expanding this really unpopular government program. so i, i'm happy that the caller called in and it would us his story -- told the us his story, and it's great that he was able to obtain the care he needed. but the question is how do you provide that care, what's the best way to the provide that that care, and that's what we're talking about today. the is it i have. >> in this sort -- via this sort of limitless expansion? when you create government subsidies, invariably what happens is the premiums skyrocket because they're rell -- relatively open-ended subsidies, and our deficits skyrocket. we have the face the music at some point. >> host: got the pointus on tha. andrea, i want to let you

respond. >> guest: yeah. there's a few thingss here. first, i want to challenge the notion that nobody's talking about getting rid of the affordable care about. let's ask the question, what is the affordable care act a, right? it's setting rules for the insurance system and opening up new coverage pathways. so so one of the main things the affordable care act did was instill consumer protections into the health insurance industry, right? to negotiate benefits pre-aca. at that time you could be denied coverage for a pre-existing condition. i think for individual market plans, 62 of them didn't cover maternity services -- 62. i have a young child. i could be denied a policy for him if i were trying to to get him on the market if he had more than three ear infections in a a year. et al.s created a pathway to expand medicaid to not only young children or pregnant women or parents or caregivers, right, but to verywe also

have a real challenge when it comes to health insurance deductibles. nots only on the aca marketplaces, but for job based coverage too. deducts have grown dramatically since health plans were introduced a little over 2020 years ago, and that is -- 20 years ago, and it's been heartening to watch states like california, massachusetts, new mexico experiment with ways to actually use their marketplaces to do thingsac like e will eliminate deductibles fortp some of or -- some of their plans.

one of the things these enhanced subsidies do is limit how much people pay out of pocket when they get coverage, but we need to be making sure we're setting the rules to of the game, that we're holding entities accountable for competing fairly or nott price gouging, looking for ways to to actually bring prices down. that is a huge problem. >> host: about 25 minutes left in -- >> guest: i would point out, but the way, that, you know, we just mentioned medicaid, and most of the expansion in coverage that a came from the aca came via the medicaid expansion. and what most people don't realize is that that's an expansion that requires the federal government to reimburse the the state. that's what's called the federal matching amount or percentage. at 900% -- 90% of the cost of the care as opposed to much lower amounts for the people who were traditionally in the medicaid program. the people who the medicaid program was supposed to cover, waspr created to cover, single

moms,te moms with kids. now you have a 90% match rate for able-bodied adults. andas a result, states are taking that up, and they're trying to pour every possible service into that. and that's actually hurting the people who medicaid was traditionally created for. funds and programs are being diverted to these, the folks who are really could be getting care other ways. this is kind of what i mean when i say it's kind of a single-minded attemptwh to get s many people as possible into a federally-run program. so, or you know, at paragon we published a paper dealing with reducing over time that matching rate back down to the rate that all these states got before which at the moment has a floor of 50% and goes up depending on the income of the state. so we propose if bringing that

back down. you would save a lot of money. you would reinforce a program percent people for whom it was originally intended. and then we even propose possibly lowering the floor so thathe richer states which are taking advantage of these programs to fleece the federal government, essentially, they pay their fair share. we propose if bringing the floor down to 40% which would affect a few wealthy states. >> host: a lot of callers, a little bit of time, less than 25 the minutes morning. mary, thanks for waiting, in buffalo, new york. republican. go ahead. of. >> caller: yeah. my issue is that you're so focused on people having insurance, but just having insurance does not mean people can still afford care. i have a family member who gets insurance through the exchange and has to -- can only afford a catastrophic plan. so when this person gets sick, they can'tro afford to go and gt an x-ray because it's so

expensive. and then also now this person's qualified foriv a state plan now is getting counseling, now is getting counseling for drug addiction. so, you know, it's -- i just think there's a difference between having insurance and having care. and that's what we have to make it, is that people can access care. >> host: thanks for that. andrea -- >> guest: you're exactly right. if you have an insurance card that you can't use, what value isou it, right? again, which is why it's important not only to be expanding access to coverage, but you want that coverage to be generous, comprehensive if not be a barrier to care in and of itself. again, i think it's why it's been heartening to see how these subsidy enhancements have been used to actually experiment with lowering deductibles, with lowering coinsurance to see if they're doing that. we're seeing some really, really positive results, something that i would love to see as cross the

u.s. it's also why, as the doctor shared, when people have access to expanded medicaid, they enroll, right in they had another source of coverage or if they had ability to get coverage elsewhere, i think they would do that. the reality is the majority of people on medicaid in part because of the rate of consolidation. so many markets in this country are heavily consolidated. there's a big insurer in town. when that happens in markets generally, you start to see prices go up. that's something that needs the actually be addressed x it's been wonderful to watch the biden-harris administration focus on on that and to look for ways to protect consumers, to look for ways to bring prices down. that is something that has been

happening in tandem with coverage expansions. it's's not just about insurance, we also have to make sure the system is functioning well. >> guest: thank you, that's a really important point you've made, that we've focused on expanding coverage but not focusing on health. and i mean really two as aspects to that, to what i'm saying. first is all of these expansions under the afford affordable care act have been in plans that have extremely narrow networks where the enrollees, the patients, fine it very difficult to obtain care. so as i mentioned earlier, most toover -- midwest of the expansion occurred via medicaid which is notorious for having poor access to care. many physicians don't want to participation many hospitals limitsp participation in this, a subterfuges. so that's number one. number two you have the affordable care act marketplace plans which, as i mentioned earlier, the kaiser family

foundation and paragon have found have very narrow networks. people report having difficulty obtaining care. either there's no one in their network, and this dose for medicaid add as well, there's either no access to a participating physician, or even if there is a participating physician, good luck trying too get an appointment. it can take months because they are so overwhelmed, and they're particularly overwhelmed when you throw on all these able-bodied adults who now are clamoring foror a spot with medicaid physicians as a well. but the second aspect that i wanted to talk about is there's this single minded focus on expanding coverage when, in fact, insurance while very important for protecting people's financial health, their financial situation by protecting them against catastrophic expenses if, god forbid, they get very ill, actually has a lot less to do with our health than most people would believe.

the council of economic advisers where i worked put out in the economic report of the president, theom health chapter back in 2018 talking about how important or unimportant health insurance for health care. and the literature indicates it actually has a very minimal effect and probably only for certain groups. and we're kind of updating that via forthcoming paragon paper that's going to look at the literature on how important insurance is for actually improving health. and, again, it's far less than you would believe. what is important? people's behaviors, the types of things -- do they smoke? are they overweight? with can they get healthy food in these are important things. these are the things that really influence their health much more so than whether they have insurance or not.so again, i'm not saying they shouldn't have insurance. insurance is important. it's got importance for

protecting the financial health. obviously, getting health care. but the literature indicates that it's these other things that are actually probably par more important. >> host: can i come to a topic before we get too far into this segment outside of insurance, the idea of creating, developing and creating and producing more medicines in this country and not relying on imports of medicines. donald trump has a talked about using tariffs as a way to promote and stimulate more production of medicines in the united states. what are your thoughts on that? >> guest: i think one of the things that we struggle with here is shortages even of -- >> we're going to leave here, but you can finish watching at c-span.org as we take you live now to erie, pennsylvania, where 2024 democratic presidential nominee and vice president kamala harris is speaking to supporters. [cheers and applause] .

the national is meeting here. you want to know why? do you want to know why? because you picked the president. [cheering] erie, you when erie, you are

going to win at pennsylvania and be the next u.s. president. that is what happened in 2020. joe biden showed up and he smoked that clown and sent him home. [cheering] erie, erie is the ultimate bellwether counted. not just in pennsylvania but in the country now. right now, right now the nation is all thinking about you and wondering where you are going to go. we know what you were going to do it you are going to make sure that harris and walz will lead the nation you showed up for me in 2022, i am a senator now.

you, you sent that weirdo back to new jersey. and you are all going to show up and send the weirdo back to connecticut. that medias right here. i want to read something quickly. back in 2020 donald trump showed up in erie. you know what he said? i had it made and i was not coming it to erie. i need to be honest for there's no way i am coming. he does not want to come to erie. he does not want to come to erie, why? jd vance. jd vance.

what's wrong with these people? but regardless, the vice president here tonight. she understands, she understands that you, you will pick the president. thank you for showing up tonight. thank you for showing up for me in 2022. erie i love you. thank you erie. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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[laughter] i am a lifelong erie resident. a mother and grandmother five. i am honored to be here today to welcome vice president harris to erie. [applause] i am here on this stage here today, because kamala harris is one of us. [cheering] she understand erie's people and fights for people like us every day. there is so much, you know it, on the line in this election. the stakes could not be higher. and right here in erie we are

going to decide what kind of future we want for ourselves. [cheering] donald trump was a take us backwards. and we are not going back in. .we are not going back. we are not going back. we are not going back. we are not going back. we are not going back. trump and his project 2012 agenda would take us into the past. it would rip away more of our fundamental rights and freedoms numbers costs for families like mine and yours by nearly $4000 a

year. boo. put simply we cannot afford donald trump for his extreme project 2025 agenda. we all know, we all know we are not going back. we are not going back. we are not going back. we all know trump and jd vance want to abortion nation ride white hearing cult in sylvania. i know firsthand how dangerous that is. reproductive freedom it's about is aboutmaking sure women have e ability to decide when to start

and grow a family on their own. without the government getting involved. it is about making sure that women can get the care they need when barry wanted pregnancies go wrong. [cheering] it is a mall making sure doctors can care for those patients without fear of losing their medical licenses are going to jail. this is impersonal for me and my family. when i was 13 weeks pregnant i needed care to manage a miscarriage. and just recently the same thing

happened to a close family member at 16 weeks he was in ed different states. it is unthinkable that so many women with states with trump abortion bands are being denied the care that i got too. that is right. what is even more unthinkable is a trump is not done yet. trumps a plan for a second term called project 2025 would ban abortion nationwide including here in erie. that is why we need someone who will fight for our reproductive rights. yes. that fighter is vice president harris.

she has a very different vision for the future. she is charting a new way forward that takes our commonwealth into the future. vice president harris is fighting to lower costs for working families. she will cut taxes for middle-class families and ensure the ultra- wealthy pay their fair share. she is fighting for in america for our fundamental freedoms are protected. that's what is at stake in this election. look, erie, we only have 22 days. in every election since 2008.

that is a tremendous responsibility but also an opportunity. you all will decide our country's future. [applause] but, we need all of you but not just votes. we need each of you to get 10 other people to vote for us. every single vote is critical for the future of our country.

i am so honored to introduce the person we are all here to welcome. [cheering] the leader we need in the white house to take our country forward. please join me in a welcoming our next president and our incredible vice president kamala harris ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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>> is great to be back in pennsylvania. all right, all right, all right, we have got work to do. we have got work to do. okay. [cheering] okay, okay. thank you. thank you everybody. thank you everybody. and i went to thank all of the leaders who are here. thank you all for taking time out of your busy lives to be here this evening.

and for all of us to be here together. can we hear can we hear for senator fetterman? [cheering] your next state attorney general. [cheering] mayor, bob casey who could not be her tonight because he is out doing what he needs to do to get reelected to the united states senate. all right. okay. let's get to work on it was good to work. twenty-two days. twenty-two days of burn is going to get tight race until the very end, okay? we are the underdog.

we are running like the underdog. we have some hard work ahead of us. but here's the thing also, we like hard worker. [cheering] with your help in 22 days we will win. we will win. we will win. >> and here is why. and here is why. because this election is about two very different visions for our nation. one, his focus on the pastor. and hours, focus on the future. [cheering] we are focused on issues that

matter most to families across america like i'm bringing down the cost of living, investing in small businesses and entrepreneurs, protecting reproductive freedoms and keeping our nation secure. but that is not what we hear from donald trump. it's the same old tired playbook he has no plan for how we would address the needs of the american people and america's families. he is only focused on himself. well folks, it's time to turn the page. [cheering] it is time to turn the page. turn the page. because of america is ready to chart a new way forward. [cheering]

and america is ready for a new and optimistic generation of leadership. which is why democrats, republicans, independents are supporting our campaign. because we need a president who works for all of the american people. we are all in this together. and as you all know this is been a story of my entire career. my entire career i've only had one client, the people. as a young core and prosecute i stood up against four women and children against predators by the attorney of california took on that big banks for those middle class families who face

foreclosure. i stood up for veterans and students who were being scammed by poor profit for profit colleges. for workers who are being cheated on the wages they were due. for seniors facing elder abuse. it's my pledge to you as president i will always fight for all of the american people. always. and together, together we all will build a brighter future for our nation. together. we have what i call an opportunity economy where everyone can compete and have a real chance to succeed.

not just to get by but to get ahead. and by the way, the dude wants to talk about his plans which are about cutting taxes for the richest people pay please check out the wall street journal, goldman sach's or a moody's, who have all said mine will strengthen the economy. under my economic plan we will bring down the cost of housing. and help first-time homebuyers, and giving them $25000 for down payment assistance so you can

just get your foot in the door. you will save. but just to help people get the their foot in the door. we will help entrepreneurs start and grow small business. how many small business owners do we have your? i love are small businesses. you guys remember part of my story my mother worked hard we withit an apartment above a daye center. whose own thought of our second mother. like all you do this work your business leaders but your community leaders. who are civic leaders. your mentor, hire locally i love our small businesses.

small businesses are part of the backbone of american's economy. [cheering] knowing small businesses must give the support you need to start up. we will expand under my economic policy medicare to cover home healthcare for seniors. more seniors can live at home with dignity. born out of personal experience appeared i took care of her. for any of you who've taken care of someone you know what that is like. is trying to cook something for them that they might enjoy eating part is trying to make

something they can wear that will not irritate the skin. find a way to bring a smile to their face and make them laugh. it's about dignity. but far too many people who want and need to take care of family members, you have to leave your job or spend down everything you have to be able to qualify for medicaid. that is not right. i look at the sandwich generation but we refer to folks raising young children and taking care of your parent is a sandwich generation for your right between them. balancing all of that. it's a lot of pressure. you need and deserve to have the support to be able to handle all of that and away we know you are adding so much to our community,

society and our economy. so i have a plan and my plan is to make sure medicare, not to get the pay down everything to get on medicaid helps pay for home healthcare. so you can do the work you need to get done in terms of the seniors in your life. under our plan will lower the cost on every thing from healthcare to groceries. look, i'm going to take out corporate price gouging just like i did before. i'm going to do it again. on give a middle-class tax cut to 100 million americans including $6000 during the first year of your child's life. knowing again the vast majority of parents want to parent their children well but do not always

have the resources to do it. and so, by expanding child tax credit that helps a young family by a car seat, got by a crib, do the things in that fundamental stage of the child's development. just to get them on the road to what they desire and want to do. and we all benefit from it. we all benefit from it. [cheering] so all of this is to say i will always but the middle class and working families first. i come from the middle class i will never forget where i come from. never. usa. usa. usa. usa.

>> i just outline feel a little bit about my plan. doubt let's talk about donald trump. [laughter] he has, he has a very different plan. take for example project 2025. google live. it is a detailed and dangerous plan for what he will do if he is elected president but you all probably heard me say donald trump, i think it our collective opinion, certainly mine is an unserious man. but, the consequences of him ever being president again are brutally serious. brutally serious. on project 2025 and his plan donald trump a good billiards and corporations massive tax cuts like he is done before.

cut social security and medicare. the plan on that industry it was a 35-dollar cap on insulin for seniors. to make it easier for companies to deny overtime pay for workers. you've got to read the plan. the fact they put in writing as a whole other thing to be discussed. plan to impose what i call a trump sales tax. 20% tax on everyday necessities. which economists have measured will cost the average american family more than $4000 a year. and on top of all of this donald trump intends to get rid of the affordable care act. and he has no plan to replace

that bird you guys watched the debate. [laughter] he has concepts of a plan. concepts. but seriously, think about it. in all seriousness he's then going to threaten health insurance coverage for 45 million people. based on a concept. the seriousness of this think about that. taking us back to a time we all remember. when insurance could deny people with pre-existing conditions. you remember what that was? well, we are not going back. we are not going back. we are not going back. we are not going back.

no. anna why are we not going back? because we will move forward. because ours is a fight for the future. and a fight for freedom. like the fundamental freedom of a woman to make decisions about her own body and not have her government telling her what to do. we all remember how we got here. he donald trump hand selected the river to the supreme court to overturn roe v wade and they did. i had no in america one in three

women live in a state of the trump abortion ban. think about that. no have many have been no exception for rape or incest which is saying to a survivor of a crime, a violation of their body that you have no right to make a decision what happens to your body next. that's immoral. that is moral. one does not have to abandon their faith or deeply held belief to agree think government should not be telling her what to do. [cheering] not the government. her rabbi, her pastor her mom not the government telling her what to do. as she does not know it's in her

own best interest to know better. come on. it is my pledge to you when congress passes a bill to restore the protections and reproductive freedoms as president of the united states i will probably sign into law. [cheering] so much is on the line in this election. so much is on. i love you back. now listen, so much so much is on the line in this election. we have to him it's not 2016 or 2020. the stakes are even higher. because a few months ago the united states supreme court just told the former president he

would be essentially immune from anything he does while he is in office. now just imagine donald trump with no guard rails. right? he will have valid if reelected he will be a dictator on day one. that heat would a weaponize against political enemies. haiti's who has called for the quote termination of the constitution of the united states. so hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. hold on. because here's the thing. the courts will handle that.

let's handle november, shall we? we will handle november. we will handle november. and we are clear. look, anybody who says they would terminate the constitution of the united states should never again stand behind the seal of the president of the united states. never again. never again. never again. after all of these years we know who donald trump is. he is someone who will stop at nothing to claim power for himself. and, you don't have to take my word for it. i have said for a while now, watches rallies. listen to his words.

he tells us who he is. and he tells us what he would do if he is elected president. so, here tonight i will show you one example of the donald trump world view and intentions. please roll the clip. >> the worst of people are the enemies from within. the enemy from within. those people are more dangerous, the enemy from within russia, china for these people should be in jail the way they talk about our judges and our justices. if you had one really violent day, one rough hour and i mean real rough. to be a problem are the people from within. we have been very bad people. we have sick people, radical left lunatics. it should be very easily handled by if necessary, but national guard work. really necessary by the military.

so you heard his words. you heard his words coming from him. he's talking about the enemy within pennsylvania. he's talking about the enemy within our country, pennsylvania. he is talking about that he considers anyone who does not support him or who will not bend to his will, an enemy of our country. it is a serious issue he is saying, he is saying that he would use the military to go after them. think about this. and we know who he would target. and we would know who he would a target because he attacked them before. print journalists tostories he .

election officials who refused to cheat by filling extra votes and finding extra votes for him. judges who insist on following the law instead of bending to his will. this is among the reasons i believe so strongly that a second trump term would be a huge risk for america and dangerous. donald trump, donald trump is increasingly unstable and unhinged. he is out for unchecked power. that is what he is looking for. he wants to send the military

after american citizens. he has worked to prevent women from making their own health care decisions. on threaten your fundamental freedoms and rights like the freedom to vote, the freedom to be safe from gun violence. the freedom to breathe clean air and drink clean water to love who you love openly and with pride. so here in pennsylvania, i say to those who know best when freedom is on the line americans always answer the call. we always answer the call. and, and this election vote. vote. vote. vote. vote.

>> and so to your point in this election we will answer the call again. because it all comes down to this. we are all here together because we know what is at stake. when we are here together because we love our country. we love our country. we love our country. usa. usa. the patriotism there is. one of the highest forms of patriotism is to fight for the ideals of our country. this is borne out of love of country to fight to realize the promise of america.

election days in 22 days. voting is already started and erie county you are a pivot county. how you all votes. thank you. because how you all vote in presidential elections often ends up predicting the national result. yes. yes. erie, erie. [laughter] that is right. and so, and erie county you can

vote early in percy at that erie county voter registration office. from now until tuesday october 29. now is the time to make your plan to vote. and, if you have already received your ballot in the mail please do not wait. well it out and return it today, or tomorrow, but please get it out. and remember the deadline to register to vote in pennsylvania as monday, october 21. so, if you or anyone you know is not yet registered now is the time. because look, the election is here. we need to organize it. we need to mobilize. we need to remind everybody and their vote is their voice. and your voice is your power.

so erie, i ask you then, are you ready to make your voices heard? [cheering] do we believe in freedom? do we believe an opportunity? do we believe in the promise of america? and are we ready to fight for it? and when we fight, we win. god bless you and god bless the united states. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> three weeks out from election date vice president focus or campaign efforts on pennsylvania with michigan this week.

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i am former assistant secretary of veterans affairs and proud army veteran. welcome army women and guests. [laughter] we would like to welcome our special guest starting with the highest ranking veteran ever in the executive branch deputy depy secretary veterans affairs the honorable tonya bradsher. would you mind standing up, ma'am? go army. principal deputy secretary for the assistant excuse me, the assistant secretary of the army of manpower affairs ma'am? our many other distinguished guests ladies and gentlemen welcome to the 2024 army foundation leadership symposium.

we know eight usa offers many exciting events angst to see and do we appreciate you have made time to be here with us at the very best and at this afternoon. i may have added lived there. in addition to sponsoring such as this one that foundation tells the stories of women who have served in the active army reserves the national guard. we provide scholarships to army women and their descendents. we induct women soldiers into the army women's foundation hall of fame. a usa partner. we support and partner with u.s. army museum court greg adams we are partnered e-mail mentoring and morale program which you will see very closely partner josie a lot of information in the back on them. you will hear more about that. as part of highlighting the service of women in the u.s. army we are proud to have highlighted the six aaa world war ii post that's comprised

entirely of black women. black women who served with distinction world war ii in 2016 they were inducted in the u.s. army women's foundation hall of fame and annually we give a scholarship honoring six aaa. i want to say to point out the new movie starring cary kerriwashington will premiere in select theaters on the on netflix later that month so please, enjoy that. if you do not already follow social media we have brochures she said. somewhere. these in the back. piquant upper scan the qr code follows we have a lot of exciting things coming up. sign up for monthly newsletter. today we are partnering with enhancing health the moderators

today will be first lieutenant general and transformation officer and strategic oversight first woman surgeon general in the united states army commanding general of the nights its medical command. our second moderator west point classmate and dear friend brigadier general retired and mcdonald u.s. army retired. the president of the united states women foundation and the first class include women. served 31 years in the army as an aviator she certified executive coach of the serves as a senior mentor for the work

college. general take it away. >> thank you very much. what a great view. fantastic. we have a very relevant and powerful topic. our panel tonight will share professional insights and experiences focusing on army women, their health and opportunities that lie ahead. we are grateful for our partnership in this incredibly talented group of leaders. women have served in the revolutionary war. the army, i just heard this. women have served in the army since the revolutionary war. we say that often. but, what a profound statement? today with all military

specialties open to women, increased opportunity for leadership and advancement, opportunities to challenge themselves physically and mentally, access to educational benefits and healthcare, the army has become more attractive for women to serve. in fact a women account for 19% of the total army force. we have nearly 2 million living women veterans. and with that, let's get started introduce our panelists. general please lead us home. >> it is my distinct honor to introduce lieutenant general mary kay u.s. army surgeon general commanding general of the u.s. army medical command. forty-six surgeon general overseas the health and readiness of our soldiers and families ensuring world-class

care across the globe. she has earned a doctorate of osteopathic medicine, multiple advanced degrees served as a commanding general of the readiness command and the commander of army center with that military service decorated with numerous, numerous, numerous honors. please join me and welcoming lieutenant general. [applause] and a mother of five. >> is my privilege introduce brigadier general the director of the defense health network for the national capitol region under the defense health agency. general oversees more than 12000 staff members, serving active duty service members and tricare beneficiaries. general holds a phd's commanding

general brooke army medical center brigadier general. [applause] >> i have the honor to introduce. my privilege introduce her. she is the director at the u.s. department of veterans affairs. the secretary of veteran affairs. is responsible for policies and programs that impact the lives of women veterans. she served in the u.s. air force as a critical care there transport works with team rubicon her dedication to service both on and off the battlefield continues to improve the lives of veterans nationwide. please join me in welcoming her.

[applause] it's my honor to introduce brown she began her to distinguish army career as a private first class in 1991 rising through the ranks to become the first african-american female to command the 8:30 six transportation battalion the 59th ordnance brigade at fort bragg adams. two-time recipient bobby burke award she holds two masters degree soldiers and critical so i'm including deployments iraq. colonel brown's leadership to mentorship continue to inspire of army leaders please join me in welcoming the chief of staff of the first theater sustainment command the founder of the female mentoring program colonel brown. [applause]

>> it is my distinct pleasure to introduce sgt first class a decorated paralympic swimmer and comeback of medic and that u.s. army army medicine should be very loud and proud. sgt first class join the army at just 17 years old. following her family's legacy of service. after sustaining serious injury during her deployment to iraq, she discovered a passion for swimming. quickly rising to become a world-class athlete. she has competed and earned 10 metals, to gold and three paralympic games making her the most decorated athlete in army world-class program history. [applause]

eight dedicated advocate for military and adaptive sports to resilience and determination are truly inspiring. please join me and welcoming sgt first class. [applause] >> okay. let me get a quick overview of the agenda and what you can expect. we have one hour of moderated discussion followed by 30 minutes of audience question and answer. we will return to the panel for final thoughts from our panelists and wrap it up. we will be using the term army women throughout today's conversation. when we say army women this is meant to encapsulates all women in the army who are currently serving in uniform. and women who have served and veteran populations. i will begin with the first

question. this first question will be for all of you. what are the most critical issues facing army women today? in general start with you. >> thank you so much general mcdonald. first about the fantastic opportunity to be in the room is so many friends and family. i look out and see many of you for making such a difference in our army today. and i am just inspired to think you for the opportunity to have this perch. women in the army today. i thought about this a lot. i recently had an experience to spend some time with some amazing women in the home base in boston. here major and also casey clark. my discussions with them shape my answer to this question.

there are medical issues that are and not any specific. but then there are cultural issues, social issues and that is where our discussion went. women in the military today is the general mcdonald mention, of more opportunity. this more places to serve, more demand on their talent. there's also a lot of areas they still want to view all of the things that we've enjoyed doing before. this finding is areas the faces impact women's health or physical health or mental health their emotional health. how do we look at serving at the highest levels bringing women should bear in the army while also acknowledging the successes, joys and roles they play in their community.

giving them permission to have those discussions per will be talk about health of women in the military and specifically the army we got to acknowledge those roles. how do we take steps as leaders and as a community to discuss those realities featuring those conversations into the daylight so that we can then address those issues and address a trade-off that's healthy for both ourselves and our community. >> i think i will pick up where you left off from that i would love to expand on the idea of the power that berman women bring to our u.s. army. we look at the literature for women leaders it's interesting we talk about people first leaders. when they analyze 360 analysis

of leadership traits make leaders successful. women tend to outperform men on 13 of the 17 traits. it's about the last 10 years the kinsey organization is an analysis of women in the c suite two but when the bailment is more than three those companies outperform other companies on the fortune 500. that's pretty exciting, right? the reason i bring that up is often times the disconnect between what we want to do in our community and what we are doing at work sometimes feels it's not enough or give our all. i want to make sure women leaders know in the army that you are doing enough. and you should give yourself a little bit of grace, right? the data supports that when you have men and women together leading organizations, that organization does better. and so to me that grace is important as we talk with

overall health and well-being of women leaders in army. >> first of all, thank you so much for having me. i don't have the army loud voice that you will have. a couple of the things that are critical issues. number one, one of the biggest hurdles we've seen is the lack of self identification. for women to not self identify leads to a gap and disconnect to be able not just to serve but they've earned it by a nature of them serving. with that, part of the reason for lack of self identification is trust. there's a lack of trust for a variety of reasons part of its internal part of its external. how society treats, recognizes and views women's contributions. and finally, one of the other things we have been working on

is not only build but to rebuild the trust. the va we have here is not the same va we had 10 years ago but not in the same from five years ago or three years ago for the so many legislation that have come to pass including the impact act, service acts, serves to empower and increase women veterans services. the veterans health care system. and then a with that, the other thing is one of the critical issues that still plague many of the services is having the proper gear for women to be able to serve. especially protective care. it's the number one claim that veterans come to us for. part of that is that lack of proper gear that fits them to not only properly protect them but also for them to have the longer retention that they could have with proper equipment.

correct most critical issues facing the army today? quickset is such a great question. i will tell you when you mentioned the morale program goes out to receive information what problem issues both military and civilian in the formation of government offices. there are three main areas that stand out to us that we always want to bring in. i cannot to more than enough to support everything they've all stated. some of the main issues had been brought back our equality means acceptance and acceptance means equality. in our formation in our offices are ritually accepted? or were equal to our counterparts? are there still some stigmas some military cultures that exist? the army is not where the problem exists, its individuals. so we have individuals with that change the culture and the mentality of thought process. when we sit equal people first

strategy we have to exhibit that on a daily basis. so being accepted which means she will truly be equal. the second one is, when to have a family. when do people have families? how do you plan a family in the military? if you want to be the strong leader who happens to be a woman, how do you plan a family? this is not what i recommend for anyone. i had my first after my platoon leader died i had mine after second command but i recommend that for anyone else? absolutely not. do it when you believe you want to have family with whoever you want to do it how you want to have it break time it for what makes sense for you. i was letting uncle sam dictate when my family started to live a six year gap between my children. that's because i was married to uncle sam. i hate to say that because i told my husband you might be my side piece. [laughter] uncle sam gets my one 100% but i

had to rethink that. how do i mentor the next generation? think about you and your family. when you get that flag that says thank you for your service who will be sent in the receiving it with you? third, the final thing is how do we measure up to unattainable standards? i say that because the unsustainable standards they keep raising the bar. we need a bar they keep raising the bar we meet again we go back to the first to people in your offices and your formations well, we change the army program. for women. did you really? where do with the army told us to do. until you stop saying that we are changing things just to fit you you will truly understand we are going to do it tell us that if the army tells us to make 600 points or the army tells us to make whatever we have to were going to go out and attain it. set a standard and stop blaming us for having to change it.

those are the three main things separate from what they're talking about. they are my heroes. i want you to know i'm listening to take notes too. those are some main things we hear in formations of thank you. >> most critical issues facing army want you to know i'm listening to take notes too. those are some main things we hear in formations of thank you. x my answer is incredibly simple and complicated. i have the distinct pleasure and honor of working with ill, sick, injured service members from all branches of the service member of that community and i get to mentor it now. the overarching issues that we are having is trust and confidence. >> thank you each raise very critical issues. can you talk a little bit about what is occurring when you start

with you pick. >> thank you. i think we talked about the tension between your performance in the profession and the performance in your community and family. you talked about the timing of when to have children. the fact is there is a huge overlap between when you serve in the military and when you may want to have a family. whether that's a short window or a broad window but there is is an overlap there. regarding reproductive support. being open to timing that acknowledged that some more than six weeks.

i have the chance to have several children with a six week policy. and then i had the chance to have a child with a 12 week policy. makes a big difference i wrote to my bare feet hit the concrete floor i probably needed shoes in addition to everything else. there is that piece. there's normalizing integrating. whether it's part of it not having these other things. yes, this is normal for this is part of what we do. the mentorship programs. so one of things women do incredibly well is coming together we learn from one another we could have shared

experiences allows us each to build upon that. combined of the policy solutions it does not mean it's easy. her options for us to do that. we had the distinct pleasure working of the defense health agency. she has given us rear clear guidance. [applause] our job is to make it easier for you to access your care. and make sure we, as a healthcare system meet you where you need is to be met. what does that mean here in the national capitol region?

we have opened up an additional 12000 primary care plummets a month that we did not have a year ago. for behavioral health 46 more appointments a month. and where we are going and next, which is very exciting. i want you to think for a moment when you have a healthcare issue no matter what it is, what did you really want when you call that number? i bet it is not an appointment. it is a solution. we have trained you very well that when you call because you have a healthcare needs were going to give an appointment on the other end. in d.c. that means you get on the beltway and you drive to see us. which is no fun. what she has challenged us with is to get out there, leveraged technology and's see what you can be met. improve how we do virtual care so that when you meet a healthcare need that first call giving you a resolution. how do we get rid of steps not

value added to you? you are getting the value you need. we talk about navigating women have in addition to being an army soldier, officer is it all takes time. we become more efficient and how to meet your need than allow you to excel in your job here in the army paid that is what we are going to be doing and i'm really excited. we are going to roll this out so to rolling out a national capitol region, the vision is going to continue to improve or change of military healthcare. >> thank you so much. there are quite a few things that va has been doing in regard to addressing these critical issues. one of them i wanted to highlight is in that va health science research and develop have a network called the women's health research network whose primary person is to look at to conduct research specifically geared for women

veterans to understand the unique needs and challenges they have facing not only as a transition some they have been trends they been seeing while in service as well as how do we as the va become more agile and responsive to those unique and changing needs? another thing we have been working on this is actually talked about one of the things we have had a scene of the biggest hurdles. in the advocacy particularly to regain and rebuild the trust for women's veterans everywhere. so much so between 2023 and 2024 we had the highest number of women veteran in the history of ea. 53000. 53000. [applause] this over 2 million women veterans were working toward getting them all connected.

however obviously we need every single one of you. we cannot do this alone. ba is not the panacea for everything but we are not everywhere, but you all are. you are in every town, every community, every village, tribal territory, and so we cannot do this alone. and so to make sure we are able to reach and spread the word of what those benefits and services are and how to access them we need all of society to connect and partner with us to be able to do that. the last thing i want to address is well is one thing we have been working internally is making the va a more welcoming environment for women veterans. how many of you have into the women's health clinics in the va in any va? some of you guys. okay great but it's not the same women's health clinic we have been in some did not even have a women's health clinic before. it's one of the things we have been doing is making sure we

have a space and place for women veterans to be able to go there. to make sure they are in an environment that's welcoming to them. the va has over one or 56 medical centers across the board five are named after women paid .four are named after women veterans. you are probably thinking okay that's not a lot. but if you look at the numbers of the years of when it happens. between the first and second this over 12 years in between. between the second and third is over 30 years in between the third, fourth, fifth renaming of the medical centers after women veterans, started in 2021. twenty-one, 22, 23 named after women veterans that meets congressional legislation is not just arbitrary from us. just saying the push that we have not only internally but from all of society and all of

you to recognize a service and contribution of women veterans is significant. to get those types of actions and activities to happen is a testament to what you are doing out there in the community to recognize the contribution of women veterans. >> thank you. >> so, how are we addressing the issue? the mentioned morale program is a grassroots organization we want to hold the army leadership that starts at every echelon possible. so for everything we are working but whether it's a veterans comment to the medical fields, we have separate leaders that supported soldiers so they can go out and take care of the needs be take care of these issues. that is trusted. we have to trust our leaders. but wait, our leaders have to be trustworthy. how do we do that? we provide a safe environment where our women are able to come to us and say how can i get some

help? how do i address the concern without a complaint a statement behind addressing an issue where i have a concern in somebody's not listening. in order to address would bring this to the leadership and see if you're truly committed to people for strategy, if you are truly committed to where we are as far as getting rid of the harmful behavior how will you support the person coming to you? we have to build that trust by bringing the leadership involved. i will explain that a little later commit themselves to saying i will not only lead this organization but i will be the conduit to ensure you receive the support and care you have assets for. that you have committed to receive from the army because you commit yourself to giving your life to us.

and from there, how do i ensure you have the mental support, and psychological support the physical support this going to make you be the best fighting soldier but the best mother, best wife what ever you are out there. that starts with how we care for you. and so we have the leaders of the days on the roles and responsibility of care for soldiers that means truly caring for them. i think everyone at every level can help with trust it's art internally can you be trusted? when i was injured i was angry and felt very alone. when i went through the warrior transition in the meat believe i was worth something. it was not necessarily the entire process or experience but

encourage me too fight to stay so i could be that for someone. people deserve you. people deserve your leadership. if you think no one cares, i do. hopefully, hearing them speak about the initiatives and we intend to put all of her weight behind do not forget you have just as much area you never know with that private is going to you never know with the what the specialist is going through. being someone who came who is being relied on is the first step in rebuilding trust. it helped rebuild my trust that the military. [applause] note the military therapies are open to all services what changes in total health or patterns of injury are becoming more apparent for army women?

i like this experience. >> in any given year over half the soldiers will get injured and have a musculoskeletal injury that's almost twice as much as any collegiate professional sports. very gross data they have more injuries than men. first women are doing a fantastic job the student unit care, scenic intervention the suny returned to duty. please do not stop doing that. men tend to delay when they get their care a little bit in the data. that data is a little bit slower to come up.

if you balance the data for fitness levels the levels start to look similar. what do i mean by that? historically women tend to have a little bit more aerobic endurance but maybe less strength and power. i think h2 f you will hear now that we have equipment we close that gap. i think we'll talk about the program will impact that a little more. the other thing that's interesting is that we roll this out as before was treated just in the physical.

specialists and stories coming out and brought up a couple times as the equipment. where the surgeon general i i think you got to put on the first that was made for a women a set of women wearing equipment made for men. that will actually help decrease injury as we get more equipment like that. to include military cleaning a couple your study on sports bras and what type of sports bras do we need to actually excel in roles and responsibilities. it's different than athletes very much flame resistance because of where were at what were doing.

there is a unique need we are learning from the straining defense force a military version of a sports bra. all the sins will end up helping decrease industries as we go forward. you see in the va will change the numbers as you move forward. >> beautiful segue. what are you seeing at the va? >> quite a few things in it for we talked a little bit about the biggest number one claim toxics exposure we have seen an increase in numbers toxic exposures screening. especially the opening to open up those exposures to all genders as well.

with that there has been through the impact act there are several reproductive cancers that have been disarmed as a presumptive. obviously depending upon where the been deployed, those exposures led to the increase but reproductive cancers. one of the things also we have seen is the increased and encouragement and self help seeking behavior. there is a lot of mental health, as we know for this a lot of mental health needs for our population has. our timeline one of things and in vahas is the vet center.

get support from the mental health standpoint without jeopardizing some of the potential clearance because there is a bit of a firewall between that support. finally, the other thing i would say is that because there is an increased recognition there is a need for mental health support, there is a lot more peer-to-peer support that is happening. not only in the veteran community bit in the military community. the closer collaboration between the military and the veteran community of how do we help each other? not only extend our journey through our service but how do we then have a better process and have a better journey when we become veterans? >> thank you very much. >> we are going to pivot just a little bit on topics.

and so we are going to move into reproductive health. and so what i would like to ask is what are the barriers being broke at and what policies have change for army women around maternal health, pregnancy and postpartum? when i came on active duty in 1982 or actually 1983 just shortly before that they change the policy that when you got pregnant you could stay on active duty. prior to that you had to leave. so it is meant a transition for many, many years. i'll start with our surgeon general paradox what a great segue to transition. it hasn't. think about that with that short period of time we have gone from you had to get out when you became pregnant to seeing pregnancy as part of what you expect during this time of our life. it's a natural overlap.

what is the army done? there's a few things. the parental leave i mentioned in passing earlier. i want that to sit with us for a moment. our secretary the policy around parental leave is not just their job to care for the child is not just the birthing parent that's huge. we should not let the significance of that get lost on us. and that allows what we talked about earlier as women look to made the trade off with their families it gives those families choices. it acknowledges those realities. so i think that is a huge one. there is also, as we are part of the military health system, how do we ensure we minimize the

barriers women face when the contraceptive clinics, the walk-in contraceptive clinics across the military health system. it's a way to ensure across the board that our soldiers have access to those forms of contraception. they can plan their family. there is also once someone has a pregnancy identified that is not an illness. so again what? what? people can be pregnant and soldier athletes? absolutely. so the fact -- but there's a time when we believed women could not even run marathons. because they were picked. now we understand is her understanding has increased. the facts the pregnancy and postpartum program integrated

into the app is part of the norm. one of my previous aids it just had a baby in company command. in company command was part of her postpartum pregnancy program right until she delivered and she is so excited to get back into it. isn't that wonderful? instead of having to not look people in the eye because you're pregnant and hide it but you can actually celebrate it not only with your family but your unit. i think all those are wonderful milestones in our program. [applause] >> first of all acknowledge that yesterday we went from women cannot run a marathon because we don't have the health to do so, to breaking a world record yesterday when it went it to our 10 minute marathon for the first time yesterday in chicago. it's a great milestone yesterday. [applause] i really went impacted pregnancy and post- partisan program.

it was developed a few years ago with the idea of how do we safely allow women to exercise while they are pregnant? today is how do we allow women to thrive while they are pregnant and in their postpartum. when the surgeon general we had some really good data. it showed about two thirds of the women felt that because of the pregnancy postpartum pt program and played they could return to the unit and pass the pt test. they gave them hope they could stay as a soldier in the united states army. isn't that fantastic, right? a program that delivered exactly what we were hoping it would. pt programs, there was women in material electoral communion is the part of that community felt like the coaches out there were

there to actually help them through their attorney that the coaches were having the specifically deal with the pregnancy first part of phase, newer actually having their docr significant other, for the children so that they could commit and continue the road to recovery was time for them to return, they would be ready to return pretty but they also wanted the community is printed by the program, because they wanted to ask questions with other women that were there postpartum because there again were not having families in her hometown couple having multiple hours away but we do not have that distant relatives they're able to help us is emigrating a sense of community, only go through the pregnancy more optimistic they can actually family be able to serve and so i'm pretty excited about that in the city think they whether brig up that really kind of the lastn years is really about, help

after pregnancy. specifically dealing with things like confidence realizing that those are muscles they get stretched out a during delivery and actually some of the best evidence for physical therapy is actually in it pelvic region really hoping to treat in confidence on postpartum really making sure the people are able to get back to full activity. just to kind of normal license almost 303 force of gymnast having confidence because all of the requirements and is to be sold or than at post pregnancy on top of that until having for the sick and a physical therapist on the journey to recovery supporting we gotten a lot of good evidence of this value over the last decade. >> yes and i want to highlight what she just stated. where we have come from inner

journey, that is so important to understand going to go. but we have to first make sure the women understand that you cannot be afraid coming cannot be alone, and not ashamed of your pregnancy and is not a disease and it is nine months pretty yes and you can truly back to who he worked if you work at but here's what we think the leaders and because for all of the help information that we received that soldiers individual help the doubled the leaders responsible that we could that helping care some of our women are afraid to tell and i had a conversation just last week with a young lady is that i did not want to tell anybody that i was pregnant really do not want to be judged differently pretty challenges if you don't tell them you pretty boy to go out there and try to do all of the thinkers up as we going as a nonpregnant soldier pretty and you can risk yourself and your baby. also causing your own initial stress of trying to prove to

them here's to soldier at that you truly going to a different set of your body is over the healthcare which make sure that the leaders do not make the women feel that their them well here we go, she pregnant i get usurped braided that happens i'm a very visual person so i can see and read facial experiences and expressions and body language so somebody would they rolled her eyes, will here we go, i read everything i just after they just wrote me off. they just might say i could no longer be viable for whatever opportunities will be out there for the counterparts and the no stresses out that soldiers know she will feel ashamed and how do we as leaders provided environment that not only am i happy friday, you're producing our next soldier in the united states army. it. [laughter] [laughter] [applause] [applause] >> how do i do that and so we have to encourage that if you start of him let me have you do it the right way.

start of the saying, look make sure the person is in the right physical training classes, going to do their medical appointments and by the way commit can't be a single point of failure just make sure we know that in your office so that if you have to take any are you have to go, somebody's going to take over for you predict will have to prepare soldiers for that as well leaders have to understand they have to promote that in understanding the barriers think their own internal barriers but also leaders without knowing it can cause barriers of facial expressions body language stereotypes or just a behavior makes a woman not want to share this great news that she was a mother and hopefully continue to get back productive human beings to our society. >> yes, they've actually been

hard to reproductive care as well to think that we been doing is actually comprehensive care and that means lifecycle the reproductive face. so prenatal, delivery, and postpartum i just ignore fight, don't actually do the deliveries, the care but, initially provided that will cover has severe for the veterans the other thing that i would add is that since 2023, they postpartum care actually expends a few weeks to know when you're. why is that important, because maternal mental health socially important part of the journey. and we cannot address the help to ensure that not only for our women veterans to come back longer after the delivery, but also to go back to who they are rich like the conversation we were talking about because going back to becoming a soldier for us are veterans he feeling is

very protective number of society as well after that every. so with asthma the other things that we been working on is actually increasing and expanding telehealth until mental health services so that addresses not only video graphics but also so much constraints and someone can't not go physically to be when we actually provide tele- mental health support as well and finally, delivery effective health initiative setpoint we have several particular services that we continue to expand be number one responsive to the needs for the women veterans but also were being agile to new challenges that we see in one of us the standpoint fertility assistance and intervention in the case of pregnancy and complications and finally we also have family-planning and

whether a person is a single veteran or their it any other particular status that they have to make sure that we are there is a bargain for women veterans to their lives. >> thank you very much and i will just this to the generals and you both mentioned about h2 us in some of the comments so holistic health and fitness is so if you could tell us of the more about how i can help the women take control of their health and well-being. >> yes so i think it's fantastic example of a program to begin safe the impact on spoke soldiers across the board and so justice center us all so they found five pillars and recently conversation we've already have, you can think of where please when applied e-mails so mental,

physical, nutrition, spiritual and near and dear to your heart for the triad and so as we look at how that impact plumbing soldiers pretty well want to show you the story is published in women's health, just as last month there's so curious. that i told the soldier, especially can't experience something that we may have experiences she after having an injury, so that she felt like you've been placed in bubblewrap. that's medical immunity was actually expecting much less of her and she had goals for herself and very significant injury and so it's understandable from the medical safety standpoint really going

to she said something from a family physician but i told her wrist really convicted me about an okay how do we remove the bear but maybe health and holistic fitness and birth units, addressing those different areas like the second place that she should be addressed and he said my doctors and physical therapist nurse in the hospital said let me know how we would address my injury, my team asked me my goals were. for myself and as a soldier, so injury for significant in them talk about her being able to walk again and she said i'm not only what walk again, i want to see that soldier i was before i wanted to be that water treatment specials that was able to carry the equipment was able to be part of a team until he helped her address, those

physical areas the treatment with physical therapist assistants and strength and conditioning coaches but then he also talked about how made her feel tobin team the nail to see this baby will get to handle her with kid gloves and she said i don't want to be handled with kid gloves and comes back to some of those expectations of a talk about as well it to be a superhero. so she has also talked about how that 82f community gave her space to discuss what it meant to be true to her team in recovery and herself all at once and thrilled to tell you the special can't his out there, doing her water treatment missionary carrying heavy things and she told me that her goals moving forward similarly have any limitations.

i want to go out and do this marathoner activity cleanup take on the next challenge of being a vet tech, were she wanted to go to the me that was incredible to you that straight not only addressing the physical, from the soldier's perspective in getting a safe space does the other thing that i took away from our discussion medical providers she said they asked me about myself like all of a sudden, very personal fasten i needed time to get another nh to have about that space so the power of not limiting of soldiers care and recover just to the medical organization but bringing a that into the formation things and powerful and specifically a great for people soldier. >> so when we think about health

and fitness we also under think of it is new and i want to step back really started in 1996, was rangers going up the time, by the time he actually decided they had an injury ♪ ♪ to madigan, they were getting met ported they said how do you turn this around sweep of the first physical therapist in the ranger regimen 1996 and then athlete warrior program into while people to build that trust to go get care early on when che early on, then you can actually mitigate the risk of getting diseases so that it to the special forces communities because the first physical therapist and special forest and to become wanda the same concept that we rolled out triad in 2014, on the army focused on sleep activity and nutrition industry, because it's really

about that trust the talk but there's so critical to happens when we push medical resources into the unison to give united posted at age two of you resource units are 50 percent were left let me know to be a physical therapist 63 percent more likely to gussy occupational therapist and their 80 percent more likely see a registered dietitian they see them every day. they feel they have trust. if you like you can go in and get help. and that team is there to encourage them on their journey so i think that's a real secret sauce that it really is about creating those relationships with medical so that you can trust seek of early so they can help you earlier in the process because there easier to treat early on then farther down the road. >> if we continue the conversation i would like to direct the question to the next person. >> you have had incredible

journey pretty joined the army at age 17, today you are say all services the most decorated athlete in the history of the world-class athlete program. intel's about that in your story how did you hear what you doing today to have a new were running out of time so try to make this as brief as possible but in order to give context to what military have to give up two different resumes will clippers when is that the top multiple brain injuries and ocular injuries that could drink elementary bilateral hip injury, and amputated left 11 and as more specifically survival skills by the resumes that i have ten metals, i have 14 records, 23 american records.

and i was inducted into the hall of fame the army and these are very different on paper into different very people. throughout my journey i was injured in iraq in 2010, survived life supported 2014, an individual application 2017. throughout this journey have had three very separate experiences with military medicine as a combat medic that took the very hard was injured in iraq you can feel like i had support and everybody told me all things that i would never do again like you mentioned. i was angry ♪ ♪ my father is a vietnam veteran accident i want to get out of the army of the readiness it right down the make them keep you. we had. throughout the journey, it was people to my left and right that helped me stay in pretty was the master sergeant during the transition who help me understand how to navigate and the return for case manager to help with me when is been told

it was selfish to stay. i still because i wanted to be that person and i was just so happened ask to become an athlete along the way and swimming was reason for me to continue so that i was physically fit and live it out about a thing called games that were your games in life. mentally very unwell was stuffing things down lying to people because i did not want to be perceived as weak. i found number of people to become part of my forever family who allowed me to be weak to be stronger for it printed so now i've had the privilege of mentoring and advocating for adaptive sports are all branches of the serviceman many of our lives between warrior games and a lot of due to health official health foundation help me to do that pretty so i journey has been colorful i will keep this brief is that for now but i wanted to take him to the end of

that pretty through every situation, it was different when it came off life support from the world-class athlete program wrap their arms around me and told me you will feel would be better believe will be here with you because of the love and support from a because of believing in me, with ten metals. there's no more concrete truth and being there for people believing them they don't believe in themselves, greatest superpower we can have. there's a piece of my story. [applause] [applause] [applause] [applause][applause] [applause] >> i've had the privilege of

watching the sergeants resilience and actions of when the strongest most of all, soldiers and women that i have ever met had the privilege to serve with and so proud of you. >> thank you. >> so be transition hard transition now story though so amazing you wouldn't transition with the criminal talk a little bit about the female mentally mentoring the opportunity to welcome one of them listen of any's very powerful program that heard her sister started so if you tell us about a. >> my pleasure as a matter of fact, the great segue because the feeling that she just had to explain to you why we do what we do so the female mentor program started back in 2020 when it had

13 women come to me and asked me all different times for mentorship and so when they could mentor 13 women at different times dave mother you to try to do each one individually so i said when we just come together to ensure the something that i said one rustic that with another so we send talk in a day and during the session was a captain pulled me aside at the end. she will be that she needed help and i won't go into details on what she needed help with but i explained her from a now i cannot in here this what you need help with that have a lot of printed out take action because ptsd, they did around to call on sergeant prichard printed out have a kernel to call a bit now thank you so medical her. how do we help. said individual by full potential attention but i know expended to say the program yet

specifically for those individuals that need help hands wrapped around them so 13 women entered into 49 and 45 next time that this 45 turning to 79 i've split have so many that extra something with your story, how did you become a kernel pretty so within the program had expanded the one chapter in 2020, to know 58 current and future chapters, the very start matter fact and thursday will launch cadet command chapter so cannot printed brown did not have the program that she could come to a site i need 72 explained to me some of the mentors and been our lives with a female all-inclusive program meeting you hear the word female first for men and women to come together very man avoid you have to have a female mentoring i always explain that for every husband masonic father, humble,

nephew, brother, who has a family member, the wants to join the army be part of something bigger so that they overcame home and say hey i've been denin opportunity the device that something appropriate to me fore forward you want to do if that was mother, sister, daughter wife, girlfriend or niece and you probably want to take action everybody in unison almost came back and said absolutely i called somebody's commander called rg i would call at leader national great. so with that, somebody that works has a husband and son nephew uncle, brother, misplace wife daughter sister aunt niece and so with that cover the reason that you're so important in this as that man to this program, army policies. then as we continue to break various we need out support

female mentor from around program is there to one mentor provided would you say this and call about in the lt. captain getting will be to the col. getting entered in second lt. prichard brown first came up and set to see that looks like me to tell me how the woman, on young girl because that's what it was at that time i can be a soldier pretty as you become it to the col. and she sits over here everyday and civic i think will had not been for you, tell me what you went through, i got there be my cheerleader to say that you can do this. might not be here. get back to say we're going to help you not giving you the answers i don't want you to go through what i went through. but how do help you through this we had sessions of the executive board that lead in executive summary errands of our but i

also have a man program as well not only a strong advocate for this program, but there how can i make it better for my sister's nuts in the program that we are not only involved in army regulation policy, but were focused number five on the women's initiative team, were they change policy for the trade-off environment, but also the army women's initiative team, we have partnership with because our sisters in arms making and that gentlemen are making a difference in changing policy for the rv itself are key focuses female mental programs have chapters around the army because this much as i would like to be for everyone, i can't read who should we hold responsible leadership so wanted to civic leaders there with commanding general level at one of our biggest supporters as general gary britto the general palmdale retired in general retired will this is an army

endorsed program to where we sat with the army secretary of the honorable clinics like what we needed she's linguist only do i want to help, but how do we help encourage next-generation women to join the army and continue to contribute to this but men and women work well together. as you already heard about when we work well together we produce a great product we produce a great army some of those of you if you had an opportunity you see samples outside get qr codes in social media there and you will sign up on every hopefully soon to be every installation but quite a few installations out there to command level commanding general of the lombardy to under to be the first tuesday and command that allows me to go practice what i preach pretty as a staff officer to senior for this staff, hello i provide that environment that is safe platform for men and women to come together to

address concerns that help women reach their full potential thank you. [applause] [applause] [applause] >> we have her a lot today beloved women carry in the hopeful role so we have especially female service members. so would like to do have each one of you plan how we really doing as women, women in the army, women serving, women that are retired, women that veterans swim going to start with the general. >> smith when you talk about any group that large you have a full braided answer so i think that we have some folks who are striving in reaching when they see as their greatest potential success similarly struggling. what i thank you so when supernovae is that we do have

more permission hopefully we can see the increase that permission to either share your victories and joyce not feel shy about those successes also be something women my runner as well as share we have challenges an appeal that there can be strength involving ability and so i love what they said as far as the ability to be vulnerable and strong at same time being vulnerable to something you just talk to be more difficult to be vulnerable that it shut off and so, i think were at an exciting time i believe that there are those options to support both of those who are experiencing external successes and those who redefine their success when there's in the professional and personal sometimes both and we can have those hard conversations. to normalize that, then we are

outside of where we are the only ones. i think where we'll see victory is widely stop having to say, she, first because it is not. [applause] [applause] >> so being the glass breaker that is one thing and being the trail maker is another. and so after you break the glass, and then let's make sure the trail is built so that others may follow and we will all flourish because of that. it. [applause] [applause] >> you know, there is a lot that we can answer the question but what i think about the challenges that i have heard, from other females in the military, i think what we are doing now in this base of missile readiness is incredibly important, and really kind of

thinking about the entire landscape. so everything from online resources to open how do you manage life stresses and challenges that you are facing as you going to do facing a personal and professional life. two preclinical resources that are out there for you, whether that be chaplains no training counseling whether that is your influx or whether that is military one source or clinical that we are opening up the door to not just have face-to-face appointments and group appointments that's more a lot more virtual appointments we can be aware you did it best i think whatever you challenges, as women go through, i think that the solution that the army has been rolling out that's a very holistic way of looking at buildings the mindfulness prevention standpoint company a whole suite of services for when you are having a challenges think that's a great place for

us to be in hopefully, will be soon about that 20 percent markup women in the army because really 12 big initiatives that she put in place, make it really easier to be the families to be in the military but i think open source. >> very nice. >> number one, it's a lot to impact that in effect depending upon which slice of pie you look at, have a variety of answers for that but one of the things that we sleep tingly when women veterans are a couple of areas there's an increase in demand and demand education and educational artist like you have a place that i meant to have any tell paulson conferences i have found it with a sick i wish i would've known. were really cover this when we were going through the top program and there's a lot of demand for awareness and also demand for community building. it's very isolating when you are

let's say that class potentially building woman that is there. and then your unique needs question sometimes does not get answered because you are in a sea of well so you questions that not look that is really important. nothing receipt the demand of this for direct mission of art soon as we talked a bit earlier that 90 percent of service population and a little pop quiz, many reports to think are named after women just in general. >> just name maybe about two. one and a half. [laughter] >> and so the reason that i bring this up this is not just

while i look at that veteran community society and how our society senate contribution of women it is not been on part without the contribution for about counterparts it's like to get anybody is just is what it is and certainly not some because the women having contributed to the aviation industry, and is also the same thing with the of women veterans and so, the how we are doing is we need more recognition of the services of women veterans contribution and why is that a porta because when there is a demand and recognition, there is a well socially address the issues that are unique challenges for that population. i think that i would say is that with an increase in demand for also community building, is also

an increase in the community and willing to step up for that knowing the military community but also the veteran community we have partnerships with the military and increase that recognition in congress of the increasing division as well as just finished our va women's veterans thinks just weeks only have the largest number of women it veterans predict this into participating over 900 if it is patient and it just goes to show that the appetite the community building within our population. and covid-19 is produced in an environment which really easy to get nice to call but we are human it we created connection hard to build trust square on the front of your screen so much easier to build a human to human connection to build that trust and this is why the center for women veterans and also iba is really increase in expanded its

efforts and endeavors to increase the outreach women veterans and also bring more service says that are available for service members. whenever them for people to understand is the va is for the veterans in the va some of the services can be there to not only increase the professional development, the service members, must to increase stability knowing that you feel within the state and almost but also we are there to increase resilience to make senior service members in the fight. not just there for the another service members journey throughout that lifecycle to ensure that their billing and resilience and keep them in place pretty. >> thank you. >> getting into question time now. [laughter]

and the only one concerned about time right now and they're not the only ones. [laughter] >> consciously optimistic and i've had the honor of having wonderful mentors males and females and the majority all soldiers and i believe that moving forward is just important to remember a few things work matters in the things we say do matter. the female soldier missiles are not cumulatively athlete to that point, it's very interesting sure story today and asked me show that i'm sitting next to one of my peers also empty and have his e-mail verbiage we use sometimes this subconscious printed gentleman from up to about this is set to be dear friend, my gosh, what happened to you soon the story and he looked to me and you want me up again they said, would you do to yourself.

words mean things these small things that we grow up with sometimes are our fault just be conscious before you speak so i feel cautiously optimistic i do not speak for all of the women in the military but i myself this consumer the military november so very optimistic about our future. >> i have to tell you that i know we can continue this conversation for hours now we would like to hear from you slip 30 minutes set aside for question and answers somewhere point do it and we have two microphones if you would like to ask a question, raise your hand, hand yes the runner camille and we ask first you identify you want to answer the questions and ask you questions and then afterwards, if you have any context provided that time

please and if you want to answer the question was a question and then context. >> we have a little less than 30 minutes now and please ask you question the form of a question make a brief stephanie will have the microphones. there we go in the other side then will let molly kick off advisor had. first question is because october is breast cancer awareness month for the surgeon general what preventions are being put in place the conditions that affect women soon i think you've that yes so you mentioned this an exciting time to serve and so some of the areas in with his been quite a bit of effort plus, going forward is funding it takes resources to make action at some of the research into 500 million for the female health research to address health disparities

it's of all men and women can both get breast cancer, is disproportionally and women so that is number one in the presidential executive order on advancing women's health research also helps to open up doors in the military women l research program at america's medical school to make sure people tell the doctor said that tomorrow and americans also in uniform services help serve universities there as well and so does resources that are going towards researching getting ahead because the fact is, female soldiers are part of our u.s. society at large so we can bring solutions both in the military and outside of the military. >> i have two questions avoided

go quick the generals here so first, will be doing to include regarding reserve because seem to be very focused on the active side we don't forget about the services regarding reserve side and i get it that were looking at recruiting young but i think it is sort the end of our careers, when we doing to start having the conversations about, premenopausal menopause. [applause] [applause] [applause] >> okay thank you for those fantastic questions pretty so first of all, did my chief of staff.

[applause] [applause] >> did my chief of staff major general is done morning educate me on the garden reserve, since i was a baby carl. [laughter] which lucky that no no you ask is how we addressing the total army for. as were take those considerations i have deputies in general manager know deputies that are in the reserve that's her job to make sure that every time that we look at the solutions, that they say about the garden reserve itself we are absolutely working ensuring that institutions it forward, they have that witness test pretty and though my gosh i forgot that because. [applause] [applause]

>> i believe i think that he thought. >> so be absolutely the women health clinics across the spectrum and you can imagine, the number of hallway conversations over the myself and my fellow general officers as or more females only the officers but my general officers who have spouses, that are also experiencing the season to time of our lives predict and so, we have education on that to ensure formulas to reflect the options to ensure that we have education on the current information. and because is been a challenge, near and dear to my heart, myself the main stage presentation on modern menopause pretty whenever conferences this year so absolutely awareness, and with my partner in crime the

general, join the military health system brings the best care for all of our beneficiaries at all of stages of our lives. [applause] >> in my question surrounds

toxic exposure that we could be more proactive is specifically hundreds of time being officer and having access, to occupational and environmental medicine because of my specific ls limit a really tough time even though it had toxic exposure getting access to it and concerned when there's are events like regular even with her soldiers dead north carolina right now when we have known toxic exposure we raise right hand and i firmly believe that way soldiers will we have an obligation to take the best care and that stars with access to em and also starts with having event medical monitoring and i would like to know your thoughts on that pretty my second question again very different told you before he landed two of

them actually and i actually met him last year and want to thank you. i'm concerned because for now for adaptive sports i don't hope this doesn't well is who were not for adaptive sports i wouldn't be here healing and recovery from not only mental impacts, betrayal but will be experienced help and also the physical injuries. i'm concerned he's with the medical board my patient and adaptive sports and armor and arming warrior games. that's been used against me my medical board prayed i'm a huge proponent of this community and the warrior games but it's not t when i went to army charles last year so i would love to you thousand of this not sentiment that you also are huge on

participation is force that want you to be aware that participation in these things are being used to service not only i warrior games but also they play and i know two completely different things at you but i would repented appreciate response. >> that's okay and think you for the question ranges see you again i learned from my first event that right down the second 120 adaptive methodology so first of all, what you're really talking about is exposure and above come back to the trust that they talked about itself i think we have to ensure that we are listening and understanding how all of these different events impact her soldiers and their families and so the records as far as the event monitoring we need to learn from each one permit help we need to learn from exposure this is

where his with the va is important to ensure that we can understand the report then be able to learn more later so there may be exposures that we do not know about the impacts until later on it so that is absolutely discussion that happens in the pentagon so that is everything from policy to operations and then on down the road predict that is for us warrior games, underwear or your game participation being used against you know would be happy your morning percent more about that. you see on the walls here they can help get your information that would not be the intended i will tell you that ivan why did not understand where games until i attended a couple of years ago and i was transformational for me in understanding be as it did not come into the army is definitely those not part of my identity. and so to see the soldiers

regaling regain the identity of that community build community and connection and ability, is like you said nothing less life-changing lifesaving and i have heard that so many times actually is a good thing to hear. if there are barriers to that, that's what i need to understand is so appreciate your question. will seek you out to make sure we understand more about that i think you. >> hi and retired seven years ago and when i was focused on alcohol in regards to product but not because of health and so is looking at the holistic appeaser we also having no conversations on the impact of alcohol the body and is that part of the conversations we are having now and i hope they are. >> yes and you want to start with the. >> the surgeon general. >> okay got it and he did not

want to take all of the questions back is a fantastic panel but we are having those conversations this is where most individual service in the military health system work together, to identify how are we with that units in identifying within the units and what the alcohol may be a proxy for use maybe treating and so we still embed better behavior hope in the unit pretty we still have military family counselors provide counseling in contact else in the medical records and we also have programs when people self identify they can get the treatment prior to becoming a conduct issue that so yes we are having those discussions and ensuring that were adjusting not just at the happens but everything that lies behind it. in discussing the impacts on the health. >> i was just like wasn't would

general's attorney general, we did the first holistic of the first report which look at the overall health of every service member across the army was really interesting is the infected that take up the difference it how the people leverage versus mental health had that connection there in the relationship and the folks that may often self medicate is set care versus getting them here earlier pretty what i think great since the first first report is all the resources that included in that preclinical say, the hopefully help destigmatize healthcare plus people turning to alcohol as a way of addressing whatever their challenges are super actually talking to somebody they can help them on the jury for better state of health and so i think s really eye-opening in 2014 we do that first report, that disconnect, there's population that actually without direction by seeking mental health care.

>> good afternoon ladies, major from that national guard. there's my boss. this question is a research continues to expand make services more accessible, specifically the females, is also taken into consideration, the ethnicity of the females so the genetic diseases that ethnicities are more prone to. >> cement well that i think it goes back to that research is that once i spent all anymore and so we will look at both sides of the coin. because medicine has had issues in the past certain ethnic groups and saying you know i only said about high pleasure in this group and the only thing about cancer this group what have you so we are looking to be evidence-based in the way that

we approach that an understand that make sure that we cannot discover over classified one way or the other but we are continuing to research across the spectrum, the lookout the health of our entire force smith likewise and i can actually work as well and other areas of the va and we been looking at the identity of women veterans, not just from a gender standpoint but also looking at the impact of their ethnicity and help the processes progress for example, when we are looking at maternal mental health as well as maternal mortality, we see different levels of prevalence and mortality with regard to delivery and so there's a spectrum of reasons for why that happens we are looking at those not just from when did i mention but for my multidimensional level. >> see what work, found air

force veteran. even more proud army spouse. i don't first think each of you for what we do every day for this army. i don't think even more for what you're doing for all these women here think even more for what you're doing for me as a man and you have made my wife stronger you've made me a stronger person and the man and keep doing that, generally my question would be for the col. printer brown, and sergeant first class marx pretty and you mentioned something the first week of her daughter to the promotion ceremony those who generally west to make a date big deal about that being the first female black general and the first third class at west point the mission of first class of west point attendees are female west point graduates of my daughter is a ten -year-old said to me said daddy, what it girls want to go to west point before 1980. my question is thank you for

breaking the glass ceiling and paving the way was the junior members, how is it glass ceiling now it is it still as strong as the camping blazed and how would you comment on it. >> so thank you so much for the question thank you for your great spouse to a soldier pretty and i think you think you for listening and thank you for sharing your experiences on your daughter because that's where it starts would do we bring the next generation absent blessings, blessings has generally been broken continue o be broken throughout the branchs throughout the different portions of this service. is a fully broken, absolutely not because as we continue the reason is a glass ceiling is because there somebody there keeping that ceiling there, the somebody so keeping that mentality if you do not belong in this area why do we need to bring your minutes out had it

gotten better absolutely the panel look at our think that the main portion by the ethnicity his own thoughtful to somebody because we get to call on some of our historical insights and our women pentagon before us, the i'm the day now. used to be well what are they doing for us and how i make them change in how to that glass ceiling pretty the program that we had to say, how do i partner with the organization, like the army women's foundation does a fun nominal foundation we are honored to be a part of because as a become veterans, this is to bring them into their army the foundation predict the main focus becomes, how are we helpig each army national guard and reserve and army active duty and how are we helping by the way we are going choice and recover the comes near your air force maybe

the point behind that, becomes the glass ceiling has to be identified first 70 has to be willing to break it. and so we have a ton women willing to break it and are currently breaking it. is he getting better, absolutely do we saw the long-ago way to go absolutely get a female real program the all-inclusive that is all of us a responsibility to help break this glass ceiling said thank you for that question. >> the beginning of your question, you stated that our surgeon general's appointment we stop saying over the first and i don't think that was the intent of a response printed i think it was the problem with the first but the hope is that the role no longer need to be the first to just be done. and so i think that are col. covered up north and i really was supposed cover. [laughter] but i'll just say that was the

intent correct to say that hope is no longer have to first. >> we bring under the pressure they can just be there doing outstanding job pretty. >> thank you so much this time, we will have one last question panel predict. >> okay you have to be quick you running over. >> the last question. [inaudible]. [inaudible]. >> one thing seeing a woman. [inaudible]. thank you for your inspiring stories today what you do. my question is, if there's

automation, and will it affect women. and how. [laughter] [laughter] >> life i can address this, so you women's insecurities pretty well okay, we have a representative right there racing her head there is a representative and we are partnering together though bring up how we help others and not just branches of service and not just other services but how do we help other see what we do because we all know that americans are very bold. right so we have to help others stand their ground and it is not just send an american it is a

gender issue itself for every other visitation every other country you are experiencing the same thing so sisterhood aggressive role when you have international women's day pretty that is recognized how we come together, not just make it a day but how do we come having some so i would say organizations teaches security capitol with ar of different organizations that are out there and called for meeting one of us, coming up and connect we will talk to your command. >> if i can weigh in on that one as well so the va the public affairs we've also engaged in several different countries in regard to how to address the unique needs women veterans. so were also engaged of the other side of that journey. >> will thank you so much for your questions and as we get ready to wrap up, this afternoon, we want to ask our panelists one final question.

when is one key message or lesson that you want everyone to think away and apply. will start with sergeant marx. >> of course we will. [laughter] [laughter] >> when key message. my hope is we all recognize how much that we are struggling. and we can be the difference. please remember, not to weapon ice someone's confidence in you. >> thank you. >> and so, everybody knows the army has the bottom of the e-mails you have to fill in a quoted there and so is of giving i made my own it braided my point is, we do for ourselves, ties with us will be due for

others lives on his legacy and what is your legacy and how can you help. we were talking earlier, it is that drug to help someone printed never had alcohol in the never done drugs, but if it drug it is to help somebody in a drug to be able to have somebody come and had you not gotten involved and thank you for this tended to something that how can they help the next person because want to be the percent when they do not have somebody does not have, a person to call on the women that we been involved with the mid- that we been involved with the states with deep committed themselves to helping and that becomes our legacy, when we decide to hang of this uniform, who will take the reins and run with it and so thank you all for having you yes the opportunity talk you about what our thoughts are this but i believe that with this what is your legacy smart. >> ...

formative power of storytelling is extremely important. within the library of congress is over wondered a thousand stories and only 10,000 of them are women veterans. those over 2 million women veterans living right now. why it is important? because the power of that story is going to pave the way to the next generation of women veterans will serve as women he's going to bear the nation in defense of our nation. you cannot be what you cannot see. let's help the young ladies, the young girls, the young women see what they can be in the future. how we treat our women veterans, our veterans is going to be with a look at when it looked to potentially wear our nation's

cloth. it's imperative for us to get that right. for all of you currently serving who have served, share your story. so it isn't no longer she is the first were she was the only one. it's when did you serve? or did you serve? >> i am bias i believe books on ground when our american force soldiers the most prized weapon system the army whether your mail, female soldier in our army want you to be the best version of you possible both while you're wearing the uniform and art at home being mother, father, sister, brother. what i found very interesting on my visits of sound when the commanding generals of one of our installations when it rolled into his installation he decided to partner with one of the coaches and the coach comes to

his office every friday for 30 minutes and helped him become a better cg for that installation. why my bringing up the story? whether you are on -- the matter where you are at your italianate beats that you have brigades, embedded behavior help. you have chaplains, if a militay one source those who have resource units you have the full suite. find the person that you can trust have some went to help you on your journey. early identification equals early intervention early return to duty we stand here to help you on that journey. we are excited to partner with you on that. i ask you to find someone you can trust just like the cg did it one of the installations really find out whatever it is you want to work on for it i can tell you there's an aspect of military medicine that would love to partner with you on that journey.

thank you. we talked about so many different aspects of women's health and wellness today. they all have one thing in common. the way we address that is through a lens of culture. we talk about trust is one of those elements. what i would leave you with, challenge you on is asking you what sort of culture are you going to be part of? whether you intend or not, your word to someone but really her actions and daily impact the culture. either in a way you like or don't like it. how can you be intentional without culture? very concretely it depends what you will reward. what you resource. and how you define excellence. and so be intentional about that. whether you are at leading an entire command or whether you

are leading your self, or your patrol unit but decide, what is the culture you want to have that helps all of our soldiers experience the greatest success allows all of their talents, to be brought to bear in defense of our nation. cox all right any closing remarks? okay, it would to thank everyone are extraordinary panelists, are inspirational army women. [applause] thank you. and of course generals, i want to say really quickly a special word for my friend and some news after eight amazing years as president of the army women's foundation, and is stepping down this year for a well-deserved

rest. we are keeping her phone number. [laughter] for tenured armor army women's foundation has been extraordinary building resources financially and personnel wise. driving essential programs to develop in our army women. i want and to come appear. [applause] [applause] >> thank you. that is unexpected. i want to rewind the clock a little bit. i have to go back and comment about how phenomenal this a panel discussion was. how phenomenal you all are. i have to tell you the emotions. i laughed, i cried. thank you for your honesty.

thank you for your transparency. i have to say this is the beginning of the conversation. we hope to be able to be back here next year. i can say that. we hope that we can continue this conversation next year. but with that comment thank you so much officers. thank you general, thank you to each one of our panelists. i want to give a shout out to office 13 molly, thomas, debby, eileen, kerri, what a blessing to work with you. it is just been phenomenal these last few months which it has been to be able to put this together shout out to the army women's foundation board of directors. you guys do so much with so little. you make it happen every day. god bless you. thank you so much for what you do. i appreciate you finally, with got an announcement to make that is i like to announce our new leadership of the army women's foundation first off you had a

chance to see our new executive director. sue fulton. [applause] and then the new president of the united states army foundation lieutenant journal catherine and gainey. [applause] [cheering] thank you all for coming. ladies and gentlemen this completes our program. please enjoy and connect with others. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]

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about an hour. >> good evening i am marcus molinaro life from our studio. this debate is cosponsored by a consortium of the capitol region's leading media outlets. joining me as panel tonight ian pickus the director w amc. shantel destra managing editor of w mht new york now and raga justin investigative reporter at the times union newspaper. nineteenth congressional district is sprawling instructions on the massachusetts border across the catskills and along the southern tier to ithaca it includes columbia, green, part of county. roughly 770,000 people live in the 19th distributed to the ground restful tonight's debates. each candidate will have 90 seconds to give an opening statement. the order was determined by a coin toss a short time ago here in our studio tenants will ask the question they have 90

seconds to answer their opponent has 45 seconds to respond. i have discretion to give extra time if needed. we'll also have a brief lightning round for each candidate has 10 seconds to answer at the end of the debates. each candidate will have 30 seconds to deliver his closing statement for the candidate who delivers the first opening statements will deliver the last closing statement. our audience has agreed to hold applause during the abbott debate except for right now as iintroduce the candidate's republican at democrat josh riley good evening. >> thank you. [applause] >> the order was determined by a coin flip tonight's and mr. marc molinaro will go first and deliver his opening statements for. >> i chose public service along time ago. i think it's a dignified duty it's our responsibility as citizens to engage. when i began in local government i look knew them but i learned

it has real impacts on real people. fast-forward to today i have the highest honor in my lifetime to serve represent the people of upstate new york and house of representatives. this kid who grew up on food claps stamps in his class family his dad lost his job when ibm downsized represents our 50000 people part of the say that's wonderful beautiful. i have lived in this part of new york my entire life. never turn my back on the people of upstate new york and i never will. two years ago josh riley and i stood together. you rejected his policies and his politics then. why? we have seen over the last four years the abandonment the southern border which is like the 10 million individuals entering this country sing cashless bail, discovery raise the age and policy changes here new york that has made us cut these the policy embraced years ago these are the policies you embrace yet again. i am committed to serving people of this district because i know ultimately we are resilient we

care deeply about the families, the farmers, small businesses and ultimately got to secure our border, keep the community safe. make our communities affordable again and ensure we are creating opportunity for the families, the farmers, and the small businesses that make up this beautiful part of the state of new york. >> thank you. mr. riley? >> congressman happy belated birthday. to all of her house thank you. to the viewers at home if you are a 1-year-old name a tail or a 4-year-old he turn up the tv and go to bed. i promise this is not as good as pop patrol. i love you, i'll see you in the morning. to everyone else i'm josh riley. running for congress because of the lessons i learned growing up. it's a blue-collar neighborhood were just about everybody worked in the factories. and just thought nobody cared about your political party but that it was your character and your work ethic. growing up on a road trip to pick up the cans in the bottles of folks left behind the rest areas and we redeem them for that nickel deposit for i know

for so many of you today that nicholas not going as far as it used to. and our economy the deck has been spat stacked against you it's been stacked in favor a big powerful corporal packs and the politicians they paid to do what's best for their bottom line, not yours i'm running for congress to change that. i do not take corporate pack of money because my vote is not for sale. i'm pushing for term limits many fewer career politicians and more new ideas i am pro-choice i believe that women can make their own health care decisions. i am serious about solving the crisis of the southern border because today's politicians aren't great look forward to our discussion to be my honor to earn your vote. >> mr. riley thank you very much for the first question goes to both candidates it's about the tone of the campaign. mr. molinaro your commercials call mr. riley and they say he wrote the bill giving amnesty to 12 million illegal immigrants.

the question is, do you stand by all the assertions made in your ad and those of political action committee created on your behalf? >> josh riley said last 20 years working in los angeles and washington d.c. he did not argue for the supreme court once he argued ultimately before the supreme court 32 times to dismantle border security. do dismantle border security has very legal argument of secretary mayorkas was the president of the united states did not have the authority to protect americans to unilaterally decide certain individuals who entered this country are about to enter this country should his legal argument before the supreme court was the president of the united states could ignore and wave a magic wand and allow individuals to come in and it was that legal argument 20 years working in washington d.c. and los angeles. it was that legal argument this president used to surrender the southern border 10 and half million people come into this country. ten and half million people come into this country, 1000 known

terrorists who have no interest in america or americans coming to this country. this president use of prosecutorial discretion argument that you made to catch and release. and then they come to new york there is a century state because of your allies who simply think it's not important to protect americans and enforce the law. so yes this election has gotten heated. why? american see every day, every day they see the department of homeland security at 600,000 individuals known criminals in this country they see jobs being exported for low immigrant wages. they see crime being committed on their streets. their target insiders like josh riley suggesting they had nothing to do with it. that was your plan, that was your policy that is your legal argument. >> thank you very much for like to respond. >> 's question allows you to respond to it. mr. earlier to tell viewers does not respect you enough to be honest and they choose mr.

molinaro to be a sellout claiming marc molinaro takes the money do you stand by all the assertions made in your ad and political action committees created in your behalf? what you just ask him that question judy didn't hear was an answer he didn't answer if he stands by don't think he does you know it's not true but he just heard about and talk about things i did 20 years ago. >> this is my time, this is my time, this is my time i will reclaim it. i must been a heck of alert 23 years old to do half the things he's talking about. look, he is a 30 year career politician who is desperate, desperate to talk about anything other than his record of failure on the issue. so desperate to the point he's literally making things up. just making things up about the cases. here's what's not made up, here's what is true he's been in office for over 30 years. every one of the incidents he's talking about and putting on tv that happen on his watch his he

is in congress there's a bipartisan bill supported by the border patrol union. served up to him on a silver platter. if he was the slightest bit serious about solving the problem he would've done the right thing and supported it. but he is not. he cares more about having a problem to campaign on than solving the problem. the only thing he's offered to the voters over the last two months on this issue not solutions, not a plan, not a vision, is offered conspiracy theories about haitian immigrants eating pets in ohio. that's incredibly irresponsible. it is dangerous i just speak with the haitian immigrant the other day the effect that has are you going to apologize for that tonight? i take that as a know i will take that as a nobody that is not a serious solution to solve the crisis of the border i am serious about it. >> i would like to respond. >> will give each 10 seconds i think you both responded. i it's stand firmly.

>> i absolutely do i absolutely do the question you asked me was whether you can draw a direct line million dollars in corporate pack checks he has taken to the boat he is taking to the struggles folks are having across the district and the answers absolutely yes. the advertisement you reference was 10,000 dollars in checks he taken from an opposite set on his hands the ad that iran talks about the two. [inaudible] >> at $200,000. >> are not the moderator. >> allow them to jack up grocery prices and crusher small farmers. then waterpik with all due respect that's an outright lie. first of all this is not one time you argued this was not 20 years ago. he worked for the most politically connected law firm in washington d.c. we argued on behalf of mayorkas to sort of the southern border pretty worked and then for al franken in the halls of washington d.c. writing a mass amnesty bill that resulted that would result not

just coming into the country beginning cell phones and transportation. that is exactly and, by the way expanding social security benefits with seniors and citizens all across the new york have heard two illegal immigrants. in the state were democrats want to extend the right and one more thing with all due respect, you know this. the federal government does not set electric rates. new york state does. kathy hochul and allies set record rate. i joined democratic congressman pat ryan calling for the resignation of leadership we have been fighting on behalf of people. [inaudible] it's 50% rate hike. [inaudible] picked up two or fact checking? [inaudible] but she has her next question,. >> this question is for the congressman. been criticized amplified unfounded claims haitian migrant in springfield, ohio were

capturing eating pets. what is your response to the criticism your claims of inflammatory in danger to migrants? >> you have missed all of the year end half of us arguing for real border security. i voted for the strictest border security policy generation. the president of the united states chose to not negotiate not to engage and instead turn his back. he turned his back on mayor eric adams who is begging for assistance. congressman pat ryan a call for emergency action to intervene. this administration did no such thing. why? these legal argument josh riley may just turn to the border. beyond that, a year ago we had a woman raped and abused by illegal immigrant in the catskill region of new york. only weeks ago we have an illegal immigrant who kills a woman in syracuse, rapes a woman in the capitol district. no one wanted to write about those things. people were not angry enough about that but yes, is out of character for me. ultimately assault and respect those who want to come to this

nation legally we need to have a process that supports that. i will not back down to making the argument that because of the policies of this administration were less safe at our southern border we are less safe in our northern border and created a system where new yorkers in upstate new york is it treated as second-class citizens. they are angry and i as the representative and angry for them. correct mr. riley? what so love to hear and answer the question as to whether he stands by dangerous or harmful conspiracy theory he's been pedaling he did not answer the question. maybe you're embarrassed about it? i would be if those words had come out of my mouth. here's the thing. both parties have failed us terribly. with respect to the seven border. both parties i've been very critical of the by demonstration. the congressman is reading off a litany of horrors. all of them happen on his watch. all of them. he had a bill sitting on his desk that was bipartisan. said they did not negotiate for

they did negotiate that's the result of the negotiations but that was a result of the negotiation. instead of doing the right principal thing and accepting that bill and supporting it, he did what was politically expedient for this is what you would expect out of a 30 year career politician is desperate to continue his political career. >> investigative reporter for the times union. >> mr. riley, vice president kamala harris your parties present and shall not many men had lunch she said she no longer supports a ban on hydraulic fracking. you agree with new york state band do you support ongoing efforts to expand the definition of fracking to one that uses carbon dioxide in the process instead of water the comment method when the practice was banned a decade ago? >> a look at our energy policy in two respects on this. first in the short term. we've got to lower energy costs for folks across upstate new york that's when the biggest challenges we have economic development across the region are high energy cost goes back

to something we talked about today. a lot of you saw 62% increase in your bills when i am your congressperson going to fight to make sure that does not happen because i'm not taken the corporate pack checks i don't have to do whatever they want me too do. longer term, clemenceau shorter-term i think we need to look at all available energy options. i am deeply skeptical however of these projects proposed by big corporations to take energy in upstate new york we found too often in other states and getting taken out to the border into texas. that's a source of deep skepticism for me. longer term we have to have a vision how we get the true energy independence and lower costs. cost group for me with that vision is, advanced manufacturing in the united states. building the solar panels here

in the united states but here in upstate new york not in china or mexico building batteries were my family used to work before those closed down. we should be investing in the advanced manufacturing to rebuild the middle class also have a sustainable energy policy. my opponent voted to kill all of those investments in green energy manufacturing under the inflation reduction act. the steeply responsible. mr. molinaro you have 30 seconds are quick to greater american great americanenergy independeno drive up both our capacity to provide american product and not rely on venezuela and countries around the world that do not have her interests at heart but got to be supporting nuclear technology and micro nuclear technology certainly i've led the bipartisan coalition and supporting renewable and alternative energy. in fact, called on the administration and congress to ensure we continue to direct tax credits and assistance to the

kind of manufacture that does make upstate new york solar panel, wind turbine technology, excuse me battery technology all of which is the next wave of manufacturing here in upstate new york. it is rich to listen to you suggest some how you are pure on this issue. sure law firm that represented chevron it's the work you did. the very corporation that's been stealing jobs from upstate new yorkers and 36 unions. >> have a great deal to get to. i'll give you 10 seconds honestly. can you save that for your closing statement? >> congressman. i've long been concerned with appropriate and affordable childcare options in upstate new york. how would you go about promoting affordable childcare policies for new yorkers with young children who are struggling to balance working outside the home

and raising their family? >> i know this one firsthand. i'm the father for children one lives with a disability try axing daycare with an individual with an intellectual physical disability we know the challenge bike wife is a preschool teacher belief you beget it. one of the biggest challenges besides housing costs as access to affordable daycare. which is why he led the effort to ensure tax bill we adopted the house this year includes expansion of child tax credit. i absolutely believe this is one of those tools is not only helps families to lift themselves out of poverty provides a real real meaningful relief. additionally would create a pathway we can educate and enter the field of daycare so we can expand the workforce there are more available to their care options for families. at the same time we have got to

be sure businesses, governments also provide assistance when it comes to daycare which i lobby making these corporations as they come to upstate new york to actually create set-asides for ensuring access to daycare. and they invest in daycare for the families they family leave and paid assistance to county employees. for not only caring for but provide support as they get older. it is really one of the biggest challenges. we should be leveraging medicaid assistance counties are required to use medicaid assistance to drive down and provide support for those to provide daycare for pickwick thank you. mr. riley. >> universal paid family leave universal childcare. we have to make that investment or working families across the district. i was just at a picket line with their healthcare workers in the catskills but usually with i am

with them talk about challenges in the healthcare industry. the thing i heard over and over was access to childcare and housing prices. we should make those investments some people do not choose between their job in the childcare they need. i say that all the time. one of the questions i get is josh, how are going to pay for it? how are we going to pay for it? no one ever asks how we're going to pay for the 114 billion-dollar tax cut that he voted to give big corporations and billionaires in his first month and congress. nobody asks how were going to pay for the $20 billion per year we are spending on oil subsidies. something he voted for his part of hr-1. nobody asks ever going to pay for the carried interest loophole three of billions of dollars to hedge fund managers who got to start investing her people. >> thank you very much. >> for mr. riley do you believe democrats and minimizing their private concerns with president joe biden's performance hurt

public trust in the party and down ballot candidates like you? >> to be really candid here i have not given it a lot of thought. most voters do not ask me about that they asked me about policy issues. also it frustrates me about the democratic party and which probably calls in erosion and some trust. i think both the democratic party and the republican party have completely failed us with respect to the border. it's the worst of politics to have all these politicians playing around with the issue because they think that is what is best for their political career. we need real solutions to this problem but bipartisan comprehensive immigration reform setting thousands of additional agents to the border. we could have done that there's this abipartisan bill on the tae rejected. it would detect the fentanyl coming across the border. both parties have completely failed on that issue.

another example i will give you or disagreements and concerns of my own party is with respect to trade policy over the years democrats and republicans got us into terrible terrible trade deals preloading china and the wto for getting us into a enough for those trade policies decimated the community sector open when i saw my friends, families, neighbors loser jobs but that something we have to reverse i think both parties need to come together and do that. >> when the democratic party woke up and realized joe biden could no longer serve as president josh was asked if he supports the vice president but one day he did, the next he did it. >> i been very, very clear. i very clear i support the nominee. [inaudible] i've been very clear. i'm not supporting the guy who ripped roe v wade and try to overturn our election will tell you that much. you are. cooks of all the respect he says but we support the vice

president he did not have an answer in fact when they did the next day said he didn't. here we are in the only debate my opponent would agree too. we agreed to six debates you agreed to three you agree to one and backed out of another the difficult question to face the people we represent are not being asked of josh riley because josh riley has spent the last several months hiding behind $20 million in campaign ads. i think we ought to hold both parties accountable. i don't think it's right to be lectured to about democracy from individuals who wrap themselves around a part of the woke up one day, through joe biden under the bus and into the nominee. >> let's have a debate. >> i would spit speak to voters and not to one another. let's do lunch the next question. >> mr. riley how are you

planning to address the issue of inflation elected to congress this year? >> the challenges of folks in the face across this district and across the country it all comes back to corruption in our politics. i said this in my opening the deck is stacked against working folks in this country it stacked in favor of these big corporate pacs the corrupt politicians they hate to do its best for them. let me give a couple of examples there is a young family and liberty over it cinco de mayo. probably late 20s or early 30s had two little kids when i talk to families across this district, i talked about is my first question is not are you democrat republican who are you going to vote for? my first question is what is it that keeps you up at night? what is that you and your family are thinking about the kitchen table the sumitomo josh, we are really concerned the grocery prices are going up. just announce a 62% rate increase. were already struggling to pay the rent keep a roof over the

kids heads. this young couple's having to deal challenges something we all know it's corruption in our politics grocery prices are going up because the big bag monopolies have paid my opponent $20000 supposed to enforce antitrust laws to put his head in the sand went to jack up rates real estate industries have paid a ton of money to not address the housing crisis in this country but we've got to get the corporate pac money out of our politics and get back to politics her people. >> when the families in this district speak to me, when i travel in upstate new york i know i have lived in upstate new york i know the pain they feel.

we feel it too. we paid central hudson high rate i shouldered the burden of free taxes i know the families and the farmers and small businesses understand. we shoulder the highest burden of property taxation and america. it's the reason by the way upstate new york leads in migration they leave the state to other states in the country because the high cost of living. we have been confronting and fighting this. continue to fight to drive down costs. it's a y in the house tax bill we adopted this year i thought for a real class families. both the income tax and property tax relief i will continue to hold the state of new york responsible for the increase. they are the ones driving up costs. with all respect to my opponents, he's taken in about a million dollars in corporate interest. he wants to make this argument about corporate tax but millie does some corporate interest, tens of thousands of dollars in the very corporation to work

for, the chief executives. [inaudible] and 12000 donations with no information. please do not lecture us on corruption. cooks thank you very much. >> the next question is for congressman this mick mr. molinaro. you said you do not support a national abortion ban. you also oppose late-term abortions. how do you define a late term abortion? would you support a nationwide ban after certain point in the pregnancy? >> site witnessed the millions of dollars my opponent has used to lie about my record i said i would oppose a national ban. i oppose a national that i am committed to opposing a national ban i made a tv ad saying i will vote on national bad i been consistent on this. a couple of these publications

on times union cnn called him out two years ago for lying on my position on abortion. i want families in upstate new york to understand this, i absolutely respect the decision you make. i want the decision trust between you and your physician. not washington d.c. it's the reason i'm the first republic did not only come out and make clear up my position on a national abortion beth which i would oppose it. i led as a first republican and support a computation of ivf in a speaking of families republican, democrat upstate, downstate who made the choice use ivf to bring life in the world and know how heart-wrenching it can be. i believe in codifying and protecting access. the reason as a republican i lead access to birth control i believe at the end of the day women ought to be respected for the choice they make and access to the support and care they need. which is why i lead a bipartisan effort to expand access to healthcare at rural communities like the ones we represent pretty sure there's access to prenatal and neonatal care and

will continue to fight to ensure women have access and support to >> >> he is lying to you. he is lying to you pretty voted not once, not twice, not three times, not four times, he voted 13 times in the last two years to restrict women's access to abortion services. when he was behind closed doors in the fall of 2022 right after roe v wade was overturned he expressed his support for an abortion ban. there's a woman i met at hickory park after he took one of those many votes. her name is karen. she is a marine veteran has three daughters who are currently serving in the military put some in places that are now trying to restrict access to abortion services. she saw my opponents a voting record and said you know josh, my family and i have put our lives on the line to defend freedom. it is unacceptable to us that he is down there and congress voted to take hours away. i'm going to make a commitment

to you. you send me too congress, i will do what he has not done i will sponsor the women's health protection act put up a roe v wade back into law because women's health care decisions are women's healthcare decisions and politicians like marc molinaro can stay out of it. >> mr. riley thank you. >> you have criticized the biden administration and democrats including your opponent for the situation at the southern border. but, bipartisan compromise build agreed to back in general was killed former president donald trump pressured republicans to abandon it saying he did not to give president biden an election year when. why should voters to believe you are earnest about finding a solution to the situation? >> and voted for the strictest border security policy generations. secure american borders act and by the way legislation to secure the northern border. senate compromise which never came to the house with the senate compromise codifies the problem and ultimately by the way takes taxpayer money off of transportation, housing and

support the enter into this country illegally. a billion dollars with of your money being directed to house and transport illegal immigrants to student click to your embracing giving access to healthcare, 40000 housing cardio and talk about pressure on housing? that is simply unacceptable. the bill did not secure the border it was not something i think ought to become law. we got to secure the border. but when you ask that question i would pose to you, president biden killed the house bill. nobody wanted to negotiate the problem until after 10 and half million people entered this country. they did not wake up one day and say or one case he believed in surrendering the southern border. he went time and time again making the legal argument the president of the united states is not have to follow the law. that the federal government could simply allow individuals to enter into this country without background checks. without consideration for

criminal background and yes it's how killer ends up in new york with the legal argument he went 32 times before the supreme court to argue. this is a serious challenge and americans know and feel like they're being treated as close second class ultimately what they see as an administration that is not willing to enforce the law. the president should have begun negotiation with the house the second we passed hr to print the psychopath the border security bill and negotiated an agreement. what came out ultimately of the senate was never going to pass the set of perhaps they should take seriously the very question why we would allow 10 and half million people into this country. correct thank you. >> can respond to this? boy, was a 30 year career politician sound like? certainly not taking any responsibility for in this step to tap in his three decades in office rest try to keep track of all the excuses and other people to blame here but this is the thing is in state and local government for decades.

when he is in state and local governments above the federal government had now is in the federal government blaming the state local government. at some point do your job. do your job democrats and republicans stopping politics with this issue and solve it. there's a gentleman i met at the county fair in august. he told me he had lost his job at a factory but when he did he lost his health insurance. he turns on the tv and sees a migrant crisis in new york city where his taxpayer dollars are being used to bail out the politicians who are failing to do their job on it. everybody's got to stop scoring around the democrats, the republicans, stop screwing around's and the agents to the border. sending technology to the border and get it done. it was served up to him on a silver platter he did not do it. his exact words he voted for the strictest border security bill. that bill had bipartisan opposition to it.

why? it literally would have criminalized our dairy industry. there are other members of congress of big dairy industry opposed it because that bill would have criminalized dairy farmers across upstate new york. >> that is a one that's absolutely untrue. we carved out protections for the dairy industry because i've lived in upstate new york i've dealt with the dairy farms and the challenges they face. [inaudible] [inaudible] >> let me finish but let me finish. you can have a conversation we have some time but more importantly, the president of the united states put into practice your legal argument. your legal argument too. >> s.trooper. >> we adopted the policy that secure the border. instead, instead, this president did what you argued should be dead. and here's the thank you argued the president could simply josh rarely argues the president could simply wave any adherence to the law by the president of the nights they should enforce the law but your legal argument to say he did not have too. that has led to 600,000 criminal

illegals entering this country i did my job. if you did your job by representing mayorkas. >> i didn't have a chance to address that request given the opportunity. >> i think this is really important. there is one case. noted this magic handbag of numbers coming up i don't know where that comes from. do you really think that's true? i'm trying to understand her boxers filings is 32 program trying to understand if you actually think that's true you don't know you're talking about. >> i did is 32. [inaudible] pic i do not want to talk about it's very important for this one case i handled and a hand slipped on behalf of who questioned senior clement security officials from republican administration. what were they arguing? they argued be of limited law enforcement resources in this country per part of the reason we have limited law enforcement resources is the politicians are screwing around the issue. they argued is we should use our limited law enforcement resources of the highest party cases. the drug traffickers, child sex

traffickers. the violent criminals with limited law enforcement resources you have to make choices but they said we should choose to do the highest priority cases and not use those resources to rip little kids away from families and put them in cages. this is the last thing i will say on this but it's very important you know who agreed with that argument? a conservative united states supreme court. just last week during the vice presidential debate jd nance agreed with that. law enforcement agreed with it. on june 22, 2019 a gentleman running for governor in the state of new york named marc molinaro who agreed with that position he was right then he took a hard right turn to the dark. >> now that's way off. forgive me for one moment. we've gonna wait long on this but it is an important topic that's what we're allowed little extra time but it's going to mean going forward to going to have little time to respond to quick perfectly fine this is a question right now. it is a matter parties in this country josh pointed to one case

32 separate on behalf on behalf of the surrounding and dismantling border security pay trump argued the president of the united states did not have the capacity to stop tours to mention this country but that was his arguments. and usb texas josh riley argued the president of the nicest sum at the fall the allowed states like texas to protect themselves and the onslaught of illegal immigrants coming into this country. using the discretionary argument he made this a president put into practice a policy that said you could claim asylum and enter this country but what we saw 10 million people enter into america without any background check without any screening. and for the record again the border patrol unit and supports me, why? they know i take seriously need to not only secure the border but to lift century city policies to reinstate state in mexico. >> i think what just happened years extraordinary and

newsworthy. he named two cases he keeps saying 30 to 11 or the other ones are they do not exist seeming to cases of pics 32 submissions you made on behalf. >> were going to give a few seconds but. >> not true he is just lying for the two cases we talked about one of them it was one he agreed with an cento imprint on june 22, 2018 that we should use limited law enforcement resources to traffic the drug traffickers and not to rip innocent kids away from families and put them in cages. he mentioned the hawaii case. do you support a muslim ban question that is what that case was bigger support terrorist. [inaudible] everybody does everybody does. [inaudible] progressive thousand known terrorist. [inaudible] we dealt. [inaudible] this is really important goes to who we are as americans and who we are's upstate new yorkers we do not, in this country banned people from entering the united

states based on religious litmus test we do not have same signs as a no juice lead, no catholics allowed no muslims at lot that's of the case was about. my father-in-law wears a turban and the prejudice he faced in the country that he came to to build the american dream and to have the federal government then say we are not going to a light into this country based on your religion, i fought against that i will do it again for. >> thank you. we are going too. [inaudible] board immigration were going to give you each 45 seconds to respond the next question. this is for mr. riley were going to turn to the middle east now t of the two part question. first, do you agree senate majority leader chuck schumer that is really leader benjamin netanyahu is an impediment to peace and should be replaced with an join to see any restrictions on u.s. aid to israel given the campaign in gaza and the elements in lebanon? >> i was at cornell university a

couple of days ago october 72 commemorates the tragic events of that day people we saw on that day was absolutely horrific and barbaric. i want to be very clear. hezbollah, hamas or brutal terrorist organization backed by iran that needs be taken off the face of the earth. that is what i believe. you asked about conditions on aid to israel, into israel's arctic condition but i think israel should be subject to the same conditions with respect to aid as any other country but is a critically important alley for us but both because of historical and moral geopolitical reasons. at the same time there are a lot of concerns about the way the war has evolved over the last year. it is really hard to turn on the tv and see little kids being pulled out of rubble and little kids starving and suffering. so we have to bring this war to a close i would support a plan that would end the fighting, get our hostages out per provide humanitarian assistance where

it's needed put us back on a path toward a two state solution for. >> your 45 seconds. >> i was in bennington university and the days after the attacks a year ago. and made it clear then what he think america should make clear we stand shoulder to shoulder. no conditions no restrictions has every right the extinction of hamas. i saw in the moments after those attacks increased moments and we saw the ugliness of anti-semitism that erupted around her college campuses and communities all across america. what frightens me is it jewish citizens essene escalation of hate and violence prego visitor individuals have been living peacefully all the said have children and their lives being abandoned with threats of violence brought against them.

we need to confront anti-semitism as the cancer it is. and yes standing with israel not only to defend itself but to bring hamas to its knees to ultimately bring the hostages home but we as a nation must make very clear if you harbor individuals and support individuals and intolerant ways against jewish americans that's not something to be accepted for. >> can we notes the hypocrisy of some who just announced his support for muslim ban and oppose the white house task force on islam a faux bit lecturing us about bigotry? >> draft, with all due respect, please i said and you know the argument against trump v hawaii. it was meant to protect america from terrorism because of the policy of this administration has put in place a new argued for amnesty, catch and release, prosecutorial and century city policies we have 1000 known

tears and entered into this country have 10 half-million people enter into this country was 600,000 known criminals. at the end of the day this administration and band of the southern border and the northern border using your legal argument. folks there because a 30 year career politician blame everybody else. cox and other topics we want to talk about so let's move on. >> or mr. riley federal data showed a provisional decreased opioid overdose deaths for the first time in years. some optimism current health policies do you believe cap that was the "crisis or do you believe there's more to be done customer if elected what policies would you support with fentanyl trafficking and opioid overdoses? >> there's a huge amount that still needs to be done. i grew up in endicott, a factory town just about everybody worked at a plant that was somehow is w

connected to it. his folks have the flower shop down at washington avenue. everyone was connected to the plant in some way when the politicians and special interest close them down ship jobs overseas we sought real challenges across our community the opioid epidemic ripping through was one of them. one of my really good friends down on the corner was killed because of it. i was just with his mom a couple of days ago. our buddy mike was a couple blocks back was killed one of my best friend's mom was killed because of it. i have seen the damage this is called the two things i want to do about number one, secure the border. sending technology, get off the shelves. go do your job, pay for the technology to go to the border to detect the fentanyl. pay for, get it done, stop the fat in the from coming in. second we need a surgeon treatment. we do not have enough beds across this district to do with this challenge and back in 2017 i advocated in a bipartisan way

for treatment facility to go there. it was very effective but the demand far outstrips the supply. >> eyewitness far too many people struggle with substance abuse disorder and lost their lives to fence annoyed and synthetic opioids. and southwark county efforts to assist those who lived with substance abuse. she knows what we know which is far too much functional and synthetic opioids are pouring in across the border, secure the border. too not only support law enforcement at the border to intercede in drug trafficking. what we must do is secure the border, enforce the law and cities like new york with cashless bills would let those e supreme young people get away with continue with no repercussions. i have support additional reinforcements to engage in drug

trafficking interceding in drug trafficking. those law-enforcement agencies endorse in this race support my candidacy they know we sit shoulder to shoulder with them as a low good local elected official and led the creation of community-based mental health and substance abuse treatment program which is now the model the state of new york uses we must have access to treatment for those who do a substitution. to greater independence. >> the alliance on substitutes and ultimate of the treatment they deserve. that's why margaret jason gardner democrat county executor to bring about that kind of treatment that's why were working to do the same. every community and america should have access every person should have access to treatment for. >> thank you very much. >> congressman in 2016 you said you refused to vote for donald trump and former representative chris gibson and stead yet eight years later after trump is been convicted of dozens of felonies

and has been impeached twice plus lost the last election have endorsed him. why a different approach this year? so watch last four years inflation pouring down and burning upstate new york assessing the costs and the burden of small businesses and families and farmers in upstate new york. i watch as this administration abandoned the southern border 10 half-million people enter into this country i have seen quite frankly far too much devastation and loss of lives become substance abuse disorder and opioids coming into this country but i believe this administration abandoned its responsibility. i have a hard time embracing somebody runs for office and says pay no attention to all the crises we created higher me i'm going to fix them. i just believe ultimately we need a government that respects the people that focuses on driving down costs, secures a border protects americans creates opportunities for everyone regardless of their background. >> does a very different

question a response twice supporting donald trump? i don't know that i can necessarily speak to that. if i were to guess what the actual answer to that question is, it's politics back in 2017 he was running for governor of new york very a blue state probably was not good for his politics to support president trump at that time. now he's running for a different office in a different place he put his finger in the air so which way the wind was blowing and decided to change his position. by the way that's exactly what is that with respect to abortion women's healthcare decisions. for 30 years he's been a politician in every single step of the way he has been antichoice. now he realizes it is election season pass on a popular position to have and now all of a sudden he's saying he thanks things differently.

it was the information team that you lead that silenced, bullied and intimidated harry -- harvey weinstein's victims. the decision should be left to a woman and a physician, not washington. i oppose a national abortion ban and i will continue to look to extend access to the treatment support and care necessary no matter the choice. >> he can actually put some action to his words. when you commit tonight to cosponsor the women's protection act? >> i will do nothing but diminish his actions.

>> it would just put roe v wade. if you believe anything coming out of your mouth. >> we have to move on. >> former president trump has still not conceded the 2020 defeat. if he loses the race to vice president harris next month and again disputes a result without evidence, will you vote to certify harris' victory? >> that is my commitment. i will return to this. you have heard this consistently there is only one person on the stage it is made millions of dollars working in washington, d.c. and it sure the heck is not me. you can see the tv has corrupt politicians. a candy line that people like you use. you are the problem in washington, d.c. you trade relationships empower think you can come back to new

york and buy yourself a congressional seat. i gave myself the public service losing loved ones. i have sat with families who have seen their homes destroyed because of fire and flood and responded. you have a tv ad out that says i've done nothing in 30 years. twenty years of local government lead on reducing the cost-of-living for the people we serve. we have made a lifetime commitment to ensuring that they have a government that respects them. you continually argue that somehow you are free of the corruption. 12,000 contributions. you are the one that took 30,000 dollars not-for-profit. to do what, i do not know. >> this actually is not that

complicated. i don't take corporate backed money. >> you had your time. you had your time. >> and you guys moderate this debate. i do not take corporate backed money. never have, never will. he has taken nearly a million dollars in corporate backed checks and you could draw a direct line. stuffing it in his pockets to jack up the grocery prices. >> no such thing. there is a clock there, you can see the time. i am just asking for my time. >> you interrupted me every time i've had an answer. >> he said that my position, he has not done anything. >> can you please? i know this is hard.

he said that my position is he has not done anything during his political career. that is not my position. he voted to have $114 billion in tax cuts to corporations. he voted to cut assistance. over 20% cut for programs desperately needed. you just cannot escape your voting record. you voted 13 times. this is what will happen. he will say this is not true. you will see for yourself. >> we have enough time for you. >> my campaign did not create the quotes. >> chantel has the next question you have 30 seconds to respond. >> do you get to vote for the equal rights amendment on your november ballot this year? >> i don't know how i can be any more clear on this. they belong to women not politicians.

roe v wade being overturned was one of the worst cases in the history of this country. citizens united which open the floodgates was one of the worse. the dobbs decision was one of the worst. the equal rights amendment will undo that damage by restoring roe v wade into law. my opponent has been office for 32 years. every single step of the way including back when he was in the state government. he opposed putting roe v wade back into law. we are now seeing the damage that that is causing across the country. not only is it in the equal rights amendment in the state, but we should be talking about what is happening federally on this issue. the women's health protection act has been sitting on his desk restoring roe v wade into law. i will sponsor it. >> the amendment that you referred to what codify biological males playing in girl sports. women have fought very hard in

this state in this nation to get to have equal access to athletics. equal respect onto the law. this amendment goes too far. what also troubles me is the amendment would expand protections to illegal immigrants. this is all part of the democratic plan in the city of new york. to expand access and protection on the new york state constitution, what new york city tried to do months ago which is extent voting rights. >> we have closing statements and neither of you will get an opportunity. mr. riley, first. >> thank you. thank you all again for hosting. i come from a republican family. i know that today our politics seem hopelessly divided. i have had an opportunity to travel all across this district and all different political backgrounds. you have given me hope. i know we are not nearly as

divided as a people, a political establishment and the special interests what have us believe. we are hard-working decent people that have each other's backs. those are upstate new york values that unite us and those are the values i will take with me to congress. >> thank you. >> i truly appreciate the honor being here and truly representing you in the house of representatives. this was the spirited debate. i have crisscrossed this district for the last two years meeting tens of thousands of people that i serve. i serve you. i know that. we are supposed to respond to be responsible for you. our office reaches out to citizens and residents regardless of political background. we don't ask your political affiliation, we don't ask you you voted for. we just ask how we can help them we want to help the i work with republicans and democrats to get the job done. i am asking for your support to continue to do the work on your behalf. >> thank you, gentlemen. inviting other area candidates to debate this season.

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your boat live from the local election headquarters in harrisburg, this is the pennsylvania u.s. senate debate. capital. i'm your host leyland from news nation. it's detective night and the salt lake city are high. not only not only for the keystone state before the country. a balance takes center stage. our moderator is dennis owens. political reporter in harrisburg broadcasting tonight's debate across the country on news nation as well as stations that reach all 67 pennsylvania counties from philadelphia to harrisburg. before we get to the questions, let's review the debate rules. you will have 60 seconds to answer a question. there is a follow-up question that you will get 30 seconds to respond. each rebuttal also gets 30 seconds30. time for answers will be displayed by a digital clock that will count down from zero

and then it will move things along as time is done l also hav0 seconds for a closing state. now live from the abc 27 studio in harrisburg. detective night in pennsylvania. >> now, it is time to welcome candidates. first, republican dave mccormick. former hedge fund c.e.o., west point graduate, army veteran. his father was the first chancellor of the pennsylvania state system of higher education. democratic bob casey, a three-term u.s. senate incumbent. former state auditor and treasure are you whose father

was a former governor. gentlemen, thank you for being with us. and let's get started. current headlines lead us to begin with the middle east. this week iran launched nearly 200 missiles at israel after israel put troops in lebanon and killed hezbollah leadership. as we approach the one-year anniversary of the hamas youha have also expressed suppot for israel. we are going to begin with you. . sen. casey: i want to thank you and abc 27 for this debate and also happy new year to all of our friends in across pennsylvania celebrating hash ho shanna. this is a difficult time for the israeli people. 1200 israelis were murdered in cold blood by a terrorist

organization. we have to continue to support israel's efforts to take on hamas and others in the region including the threat posed by hezbollah and the iranians. now that iran has launched missiles against israeli people we have to stand with israel and fight for them. in terms of putting our troops on the grounds we've got to back up israel and make sure that israel has the resources it needs to fight against the iranians. >> does that involve troops on the ground at the moment? sen. casey: not unless we have a theirs of war and a detective in the senate and the house. >> is there a -- to lose your support? sen. casey: i've been a strong supporter of israel over the years i've been in the senate. they know my record and i think

they also know my opponent's record is one of lifting up a veryries. he was managing money of president xi of china, increasing those by 108%, lifting up our a very sayers instead of lifting up america. >> are you willing to put american troops on the ground in this current scenario? >> my wife and i went to israel. we saw firsthand the brutality that hamas brought to the jue irk people and the original sin was the funding of iran that the senator had a decide ising vote on. that's where all these missiles are coming from and now that israel is in a fight for its life it's because of that weakness, that encouragement, that lack of strength on standing up against iran and

standing up against all its proxies in the region. i wouldn't send troops in on the ground right now. but what president biden has done and i haven't heard senator casey speak out on this is he's started to put red lines in place on what israel should and should not do. we need to stand strong with israel. senator casey has been a weak link. it's the closest alley in the middle east, one of the closest in the worlds. the problem is we shan't haven't been standing enough with israel. and we have a fight at hom against anti-semitism. another place where senator casey has been weak. he has sponsored an anti-semitism bill, which i think is a good bill. hasn't been able to get even one vote on floor. we have to have the strength,

moral courage to stand up against iran and anti-semimites at home. >> mr. casey, you have a 30-second rebut at. sen. casey: when it comes to the question of moral clarity, mr. opponent invested hiss own money, millions of dollars in a website that platforms hate, holocaust denial and anti-semitism. at least $100,000 he's made off of that investment. the second thing he did was to invest in a chinese weapons mastererer that had ties to iran. those weapons made their way to hamas so who's supporting israel? >> off 30 second rebuttal. mr. mccormick: when you don't have a record to run on, as senator casey does not. you attack your opponent. very you viewers tonight i have a website, caseylies.com.

you can go and see the actual facts by third-party sources of all the things he's saying. there will be lying throughout but why is a senator with an 18-year track record running his entire campaign with a negative set of attacks on me, most of them lies, thank you. >> your time is up. to the issue of immigration, according to u.s. customs and border protection, at least 10 million migrants have crosseds the border since 20218 mr. mccormick donald trump has stated if he's president, we want to de port all those who passed illegally. do you support that and how would the u.s. go about doing that? mr. mccormick: the weakness at the border is a direct result of joe biden and kamala harris and the senator voted for benefits

for illegal immigrants and the fentanyl crisis that's come across our border is a direct result of bob casey not standing up to the cartels. we have an enormous crisis. we learned recently that 25,000 convicted murderers are and rapist have come across the border. absolutely we need to send them home. de important first and foremost those convicted criminals. we have made americans less secure, we've made our country less secure. we've made pennsylvania less secure because of the weakness of bob casey and the democrats on this issue is i will be strong on this issue on day one. >> how would the u.s. go about doing that? mr. mccormick: that's the problem. i've been there more times than the senator and border disaster. these people come across the border and in two days are let loose on our economy. it's going to be very hard to track them down but we have to

do it to break the incentives of people coming across our border. >> thank you. in the past six months, pres. biden has restrussed policies similar to donald trump's that have reduced the border crossings. to you support those? sen. -- absolutely, i support that. the bill that my opponent opposes because the leader of his party said don't support it because it might help us politically. that same bill is supported by the border patrol union so i guess mr. mccormick knows more about border security than the border patrol. that would invest in technology to find fentanyl. coming across the border, often

driven by american citizens, vehicles packed with fentanyl. my opponent, unfortunately, as a hedge fund c.e.o. invested millions of dollars in the largest producer of fentanyl. >> mr. mccormick? mr. mccormick: senator casey is rich with his strength on the boarder when he's-time and again voted against the measures necessary to get our border secure. he said clearly when president trump was president, we don't need a wall for border security. i sat with fentanyl families very recently. it's gotten out of control under senator casey. we need little to go across the boarder and take on those cartels. senator casey has shown up recently as a strong a advocate for the border. he hasn't been there. >> talk about leadership. little would be a candidate for

the united states senate talking about border security. leadership would be about taking on the leader of your own party and anyone else in supporting the bill. that would be little and strength, not weakness in the face of that pressure. the problem we have at the border is one of a lack of investment in the strategies we know that work. hiring more border patrol would help. he doesn't want to do it because he doesn't want to take on the leader of his participant and when he was running a hedge fund he invested in the largest fentanyl operator in china. >> what is your response to saying you've not done enough? >> i've met so many across this station. whether it's a sheriff or a mom in allegheny county. this is an awful, awful strategy for those families. that's why we need to invest in the strategies we know work.

won't do that because he's weak in the face of the political pressure in his own party. we can solve this problem by investing in the technology, hiring thousands more border patrol. >> i have a follow-up for you, mr. mccormick. a report that says as kroft e.o. of bridgewater, you oversaw a company that produced fentanyl. can you explain that in mr. mccormick: he's voted 99% of the time with biden and harris. when asked what do you disagree with biden and harris? he couldn't think of a single thing. it's an amnesty bill. it was a bad bill and i've shown myself to be independent from president trump and anybody else. on fentanyl we invested in bridgewater in many companies approved by the united states

government. senator casey invested personally in the very same company that he's referring to. >> respond to that, sir. sen. casey: not true, dennis, and that was fact checked. mr. mccormick made a decision as a hedge fund c.e.o. to invest in the largest fentanyl producer in the world. that allegation was me was fact checked and shown to be a false charge. mr. mr. mccormick: fact check that. the pittsburgh editorial. >> every poll has shown that the economy is the number one issue for pennsylvania voters who agree that prices are just too high. mr. casey you have led efforts to target companies for so-called greed fflation. can you show an example of where

price controls have worked to benefit consumers and not hurt businesses? >> first of all, prices are too high. especially when you go to the store to buy food or household items and these big conglomerates, big corporations, rig those prices and jack them up to levels we've never seen all while they're getting record profits. that's greed flation. we can take it on by passing a price gouging bill. you have to go into court to prove the companies are engaging in that. that has to be proven. here's the difference, though. i'm taking on this corporate greed. i want to pass a price gouging bill and role back big corporate tax breaks. he's defending them over and over and, we shouldn't have price gouging legislation because he wants to support

their corporate fax breaks. i want to take them on and hold them accountable. >> mr. casey, you are also targeting shrink flation. we are 30 miles away from snack food capital of the country. have you investigated any of these? >> i don't necessarily look at that. we've had reports on them. they take a product, shrink the products of what's in a bag and don't shrink the price, that's deceptive, that's ripping people off. people notice. they go to the grocery stores and they see it. >> shouldn't pennsylvania companies expect investigations? >> if we can pass legislation to have the same power at the federal level that attorney

generals have around the country, yes, to hold those companies accountable. windshield do that. he doesn't want to do that. he doesn't want to hold companies accountable. >> i do want to turn to mr. mccormick. if donald trump were to win -- >> i need to respond to that. when you're spent your spire life in public service, elected office 30 years, you're like a hammer look for a nil. the cause for inflation is the spending by the government. bob casey voted 100% of the spending. larry summers, the san francisco fred said this about inflation, this has been tried in america -- >> if donald trump were to win one of your first vote as senator would likely be extending expiring tax cuts which critics say mostly benefit corporations and the wealthy.

>> i would be in favor of extending the trump tax cuts. that are mill class tax cuts as well. there's already been a 20% tax increase under bob casey because inflation is stealing money out of the pockets of working families. i'd wants to add a child tax credit, add money for a child tax crept. i.v.f. tax credit. and the corporate tax cuts are necessary to enshoo you are that america continues to be competitive. bob casey doesn't understand how the economy works. >> let's further talk comply. the national dealt is at $35 trillion, went past that this week and growing. the congressional bunt office projects that tax cuts would add trillions more to the debt. how do you justify increasing that debt by increasing those tax cuts? >> republicans and democrats

over the last 30 years have spent too much. under biden-harris and casey it's a hockey stick. bob casey confidently said, no, this isn't going to cause inflation. it's caused record-high inflation so that's the main cause of inflation and what's griffin the debt. the first thing we need to do is roll back all these ridiculous subsidies for e.v. buss and charging stations and billions that have gone into solar. this is what the economy has happened under biden-harris and casey. >> mr. casey, you have a 30-second rebuttal. >> his plan is to double down on a dealt explosion. we already had a debt explosion of $2 trillion under the 2017 bill and now he wants to double down on that and supporting the bill will jack up the debt by 4 trillion at least. you know what happens when that

plan goes under effect? social security and medicate and medicare are on the chopping block. if we have tax reform from 2025, it has to be a cut for the middle class. >> the reason that social security and medicare and the department is spiraling out of control is because of the spending of biden-harris and casey and kamala harris just give her new economic policy, $2 trillion more spending and price colonel controls that bob casey is promoting. as a senator, i would support and stand by social security. stand by medicare. i wouldn't accept any changes to those programs and senator casey is lying if he says anything to the contemporary. >> during our 2022 primary debate in this studio, you said you believe in only rare exceptions for abortion when the life of a mother is in danger. however, you now say you support

additional exceptions. tonight can you clarify where you stand on those? you have 60 seconds. >> this is an extremely polarizing issue. i have six daughters so we spend time talk about this. i believe this should be a state's right. pennsylvania has a law. it's been supported by democrats and precious signed into law by the senator's father, governor casey. i would not favor legislation of any kind to support a national abortion ban. there's no senator that's flip-flopped more on this issue than senator casey. he has signed legislation that would allow abortions up until the due date with government funding supporting them. i also said before and after that debate that itches in favor of the three exceptions. you can find that on casey lies.com, my position hasn't

changed and in senator casey's position has changed, he wants to polarize on this issue. >> you have said you do not support a national abortion barn. are you concerned that women in other states don't have the same right as women in pennsylvania? >> i think it's important that are voters decide. the voters in these different states have to decide what's best for them. they have different preferences, different state's right. i proposed an i.v.f. tax credit. when i was a c.e.o., i gave it to every employee. it's hugely expensive. we need to make it more wildly -- >> you were first i elected at a a pro will have life democrat but in 202 after roe v. wade was

overturned, you decided to support pro-life. you have 60 seconds. >> in 2022 when the supreme court overturned roe v. wade, i think everyone had to make a decision, including senators. i made a decision to support the women's health protection act. i don't support republicans who support oabortion across the country. mr. mccormick's answer was different. your question was what exceptions do you support? and he said life of the mother. not an exception for rape or incest. so that's his words and our are a big change but when the decision was made to overtush roe, his reaction was that that decision made him "very, very happy." so that's yes he's been on this issue and when you talk about

bans in other states, a woman in florida hemorrhaging before she -- had to go on a ventilator for her life to be saved. >> should there be any restrictions on abortion. 30 seconds. >> i support roe v. wade and that was the consensus across the country. it would allow reasonable ricings. that's what i support. >> mr. mccorpic? mr. mccormick: no person in the senate has changed. senator casey was only for one exception and now he's saying -- because he also just signed legislation that allowed abortions up into the ninth month. so different than what we just said and he supports government funding for them. i'm not going to take any preaching from senator casey on any position on abortion and it's something we need to get past and let people in the

states decides what's best for them. >> we've heard a couple of statements tonight about telling lies but probably the biggest lie told in this whole election was the lie when my opponent said he lived in pennsylvania when he was living in connecticut. the associatedded press on august 14, 2023 did a story that proved that he was living in connecticut after telling people all throughout 2022, all throughout 2023 that he lived in pennsylvania. he lied about that. >> i have a follow-up but first i want you to respond, 15 seconds to the residency question. >> i need more than 15 seconds. >> take 30. >> i'm a seventh generation pennsylvania. i grew up in brooksburg. was born in washington county. i went away to west point, served in the military for nine years. came back to pittsburgh, helped

create a thousand jocks as one of many people on a team. i've spent the majority of my life in pennsylvania. i did run a firm in connecticut. when i said i was living in pennsylvania, i was. senator casey is once again lying. the fact he got some reporter at the associated press to reinforce his lies does not mean it's true so people needs to know that senator casey is lying and why? because he doesn't have a track record as a united states senator to run on. >> respond to that, sir. >> he told a lie and i think most people know that now. he also lied about being a farmer. he's not a farmer, he's a hedge fund c.e.o. or at least usedded to be. by the way, he fill still benefits a lot from that hedge fund. >> last week, vice president kamala harris said she would support ending the filibuster to codify roe v. wade.

to you grilloing the vote to legalize it. >> i've been in favor of a whole variety of matters. right now the filibuster act as a block to make progress on background checks for common sense gun legislation to make sure that we have background checks in place, supported by 85% of the american people. that's blocked because of the filibuster. women's rights is blocked. voting rights is blocked. protecting workers' rights to join the union. i will support it and my opponent will continue to support to use this arcane rule to block progress really as an excuse to not vote on issues of the day. when people elect you we should vote on big issues and full-time

fill the wishes and aspirations of those who voted for us. >> you said you do not support ending the filibuster. why shouldn't a simple majority in the senate be used to forward legislation? >> be very afraid. i would support not eliminating the filibuster. imagine a world where kamala harris and bob casey is in the majority in the senator. bob casey is a 99% vote for biden-harris. he'll be a 99% vote for harris-walz. a career politician who is too weak and too liberal to stands up against his own party. we shouldn't have extremes on either side. the senator -- senate was meant to bring a place where you bring wisdom and reserve. if they do that, it will be completely out of step with the

country and pennsylvania and irreversible. >> this is a rule that could be changed. i think most americans believe that, that progress shouldn't be blocked on basic basic issues that people want us to make progress on but he doesn't support it because he doesn't want us to make progress on those issues. he doesn't support the voting rights act, the women's health protection act. legislation to protect unions and he also doesn't want us to talk about his own record as a hedge funds c.e.o. where he made a lot of money investing in china and hitter pennsylvania doing it. >> we've talked about my business career. about casey, not only anti-business, he's anti-success. i ran one of the great firms in the world. it invested about 3% of its investments in china. it was working around the world. for policemen, firefighter. when bob casey was the

treasurer, he stat on the board of the teachers' pension plan here in pennsylvania and he approved bridgewater. now bob casey is using this as a way to come after me. he's anti-business and anti-success. >> let's fill in the blanks about what that hedge funds id in china. invested in china's military in companies that made bombers and missiles and aircraft carriers to help china. invested in china's largest producer of fence nil. invested in china's oil and steel companies -- >> you're going to have a 90 seconds closing statement we have to move to another topic. >> can i get 15 seconds? bob casey approved a $30 investment in china mobile when he was the terrorerer. he's -- treasurer. he's taken lobbyist money from a chinese drone company. >> i'll give you 15 seconds to

responds. >> we're supposed to believe from person who lied to the state about yes he lives? >> gentlemen, we need to move to the next top ek. fracking, national gas industry are critical to pennsylvania's economy. mr. mccormick, how do you plan to balance supporting the industries while also protecting the environment? >> they've had the most id ottic policies i've seen. you don't have to ban fracking. essentially what's happened is we lost our ability or energy dominant. we've hurt ourselves in terms of creating jobs. we have the fourth largest reserving of national gas in the worlds. we're blessed. because of fracking we've reduceeds carbon production in

the united states by about 40%. i'm an environmentalist and a cons serve vacationist. i also want -- conservations. i also want great job for pennsylvania and i want to be secure. because of huge subsidies and e.v. panels we have to buy from chin. i can't think of a more stewed set of policies and i'm anxious to hear what he says. >> senator casey, how do you plan to balance supporting the natural gas industry and supporting the environment? >> number one, i supporteds legislation just two years ago that made the greatest investment in clean industry in americantary industry, allowing us to combat climate change and at the same time i've supported all of the above energy production for pennsylvania. natural gas, i've always supported it. the same guy who lives about

where he lives has been lying about my position on fracking. i voted against a fracking ban. investing in china's oil companies, managing money for said rain's oil companies. investing in the rise of china. so many pennsylvania jobs are lost because china was cheating and he was helping them while they were cheating. investing in china and hurting pennsylvania. over and over and over again. the only demon de nominator here is when he made an investment that hurts pennsylvania. the only commonality is a lot of money went in his pocket. >> senator casey keeps coming back to my records because he can't defends his own. he's been in the senate for 18 years. my mom is from punxsutawney. all this activity, he said on the export ban that president

biden put in place, he sent a stern letter to stop that. that's what we have in this senator. a guy who keeps his head down, pops it up for political benefit and gets nothing done. >> senator occasiony, you have a 30-seconds rebullettal. >> i think the records of his investments are fret damning, when you look at the investments in those china entities, whether it's a chinese manufacturer that had ties to iran. child you invest in a chinese weapons manufacturer with ties to iran and then the weapons found their way to hamas. the i.d.a. founds them after the the israelis. it's because he wanted to make money. >> constellation energy and microsoft announced a plan to restart a reactor on three mile island, the site of the worst

nuclear disaster in u.s. history. do you support the reopening of the use of federal dollars for nuclear projects? sen. casey: when i said i'm for an -- mr. mccormick: when i said for -- i am for an all of the above energy policy that includes nuclear. when we have those opportunities, we should take them, to have investments made in our energy infrastructure and resources, but i will go back to the same point. mr. mccormick does not want to talk about this investments because he knows people get uncomfortable when you have invested in an adversary and made money off of it. he has invested in adversaries and made a lot of money off it and i don't think that is the kind of senator we want. it seems like the same guy who spent time as a ceo prioritizing china now would go to the u.s. senate and prioritize those

billionaires. those billionaires are paying for more than half his ads. a small group of out-of-state billionaires. >> mr. mccormick, do you reopening three mile island and would you approve federal dollars for such projects? mr. mccormick: what i am not in favor of his hundreds of millions of dollars of subsidies toward clean energy projects that are driving inflation across our economy and country and making us more dependent on china. senator casey has a record of being a photo of the energy industry. he has been for cap in trade. a regional gas initiative would have raised prices. this is a senator who now says he would not ban fracking and kamala harris says she will not ban fracking so they now have synchronized flip-flopping but

he has not been a friend of the natural gas sector. he said he's going to do six pieces of legislation that is anti-fracking legislation. he has contributed to the red tape that bans fracking without actually banning fracking. he says i am for fracking but i will stand in the way of actual fracking. >> do you have any concerns about a private company creating a nuclear power plant to serve its own needs? >> i do have concerns. that's why they have to make the case to me and any federal agency, but i'm happy there is activity at that site so we have some activity for our energy sector, but let me go back to what my opponent just said. the same guy who claims to know more about border security than the border patrol is now claiming he knows more about my record than the energy workers who support me. i have a sort of the building trades in pittsburgh and philadelphia, the united mine

workers, the boilermakers, every union in energy, they support me and not have. >> mr. mccormick, does it concern you, a company creating its own nuclear power plant? mr. mccormick: we need proper oversight and regulation but we need to bring in private capital to get i have gone to the border. you don't have to be a genius to know that convicted murderers and rapists coming across the border is a problem. this is about accountability. he has been in the senate for 18 years. who is responsible for the border and inflation? he would have you think he was nowhere to be found. >> you and president biden both grew up in scranton. you are one of his closest allies in the senate and until today he dropped out you supported his candidacy.

kamala harris has replaced him. who is the better candidate for pennsylvania, biden or harris? sen. casey: i think vice president harris is running a strong campaign and i think she carried pennsylvania that she will carry pennsylvania. it will be close. people have to make two basic decisions. they have decide on the torres and our race and this race is very clear. on rights and on flights that a lot of working families one is to engage in, the fight on health care, whether or not we will have medicare and medicaid cut or have an investment in our families, whether we will have an investment in our families through the child tax audit and a middle class tax cut or give billionaires the same cuts they got before and jack up --or

reduce the taxes on big corporations. >> would biden or harris have been better for pennsylvania? sen. casey: we will never know the answer to that. the voters will make a decision. >> you have criticized mr. casey for voting and president biden almost all the time. can you give us an example where you don't agree with donald trump? mr. mccormick: he recently said he wanted to get rid of the ban on a tax that is a tax break for millionaires. senator casey stood next to joe biden when he could hardly finish a sentence and said he's ready to go. senator casey said kamala harris is great and you will over when you get to know her. she said she wanted to ban fracking, legalize illegal immigration, defund the police. this is her position. so she flip-flopped on everything in bob casey is

standing by her. he's a career politician. he has shown weakness when we need strength. he's a 99 percent vote for his party. he has shown no independence and has adopted a set of extreme liberal policies that are taking our country in the wrong direction. this is a contrast between the two of us, a political outsider and a businessman. >> you have a 32nd rebuttal. sen. casey: he was to talk about his business record, here is his business record. he has been a hedge fund ceo, living in connecticut, making investments in china, which is an adversary, making investments or at least managing money for the saudi's, managing money for president xi of china all while helping china rise while our workers were getting screwed. that is where it began.

our workers started to lose jobs. >> you have a 32nd rebuttal. mr. mccormick: go to -- caseylies.com.

president trump is using tariffs to ensure we get a fair deal. i am supportive of using tariffs strategically like i think president trump will to make sure american workers today fair deal and i will support him when he does it. >> you urged and applauded the biden administration for increasing tariffs on china. are you saying the former president was right on that? >> he was and i supported the tariffs on steel and aluminum. when you use tariffs in a targeted and strategic fashion, you can help our workers and companies. i will continue to support it. again, my opponent, he's trying

to have it both ways. he talks about tariffs but he will not talk about a plan he outlined tonight to double down on those tax cuts for big corporations and wealthy americans. that automatically puts not only the use but especially these, social security, medicare and medicaid on the chopping block, all to give another tax break to the biggest billionaires on the planet and the largest corporations. they are the ones that are funding his campaign. that is his payoff to them. he is bought and paid for by these big corporations and billionaires. they are paying for his ads. >> you have a 32nd rebuttal -- 30-second rebuttal. mr. mccormick: bob casey has a lot more money than me so i am the number dog that ashley underdog

-- so i am the underdog. because he is a sure bvote -- sure vote 99% of the time. if you get him in the senate, you will see more of the same. >> you have a rebuttal. sen. casey: he will continue to brag about his record as a hatch fund ceo so let's talk more about that. i talked about those investments in china. he also silenced women from making allegations about sexual harassment. when he was doing that, i was passing legislation with pat toomey to get tougher on creditors targeting minors and also passing legislation to make it more difficult for anyone to commit the crime of sexual assault on campus. mr. mccormick: i have a track

record of over 25 years in business of mentoring and creating great environments for all workers, including women, minorities. my track record is beyond repute. we are talking about sexual predators, they are coming across the border as we speak. >> u.s. steel announced a $41 billion sale to japan's nippon steel. mr. casey, you urged the biden administration to block that trade. why do you believe the government should block a private business transaction? sen. casey: the key for me are those steelworker jobs in the valley and in pittsburgh. i want to make sure at all costs that those steelworker jobs stay here. they are union jobs. i don't like what i have been hearing from u.s. steel, talking about moving those jobs to arkansas, a non-union state,

but that is my concern. my concern is it would be a foreign-owned steel company buying the iconic u.s. steel business and putting at risk those union jobs. we cannot lose those jobs. they would be devastating for pennsylvania. >> mr. mccormick, perhaps you agree on this, because you have also said you would fight to block the signal. mr. mccormick: generally speaking, my view will be let's not have the government get too involved, but in cases of national security, where the domestic steel industry is important for america's future, you have to intervene. even though japan is an ally, nippon has operations around the world, china, russia and elsewhere, and this does pose national security issues you would have to work through. this is a beautiful question because u.s. steel was actually

going to invest billions of dollars in the mann valley, but it took a new plane to arkansas instead and the reason was because the allegheny county government blocked a new project on environmental grounds. this is the kind of we have a senior senator who keeps his head down and does not fight for pennsylvania. sen. casey: he was in connecticut when that was going on. he was investing in adversaries. he is not that she does not have any standing to talk about what was happening -- he does not have any standing to talk about what was happening in pennsylvania. they were planning on

outsourcing those jobs to arkansas. they would not be in the mon valley. i will fight for those jobs. >> what you said is the opposite of what i said. i said it was because of regulations that those jobs left. we lost those jobs because of you. show me a place where you stood up. you are a weak senator, a liberal senator, a career politician who wants to have it both ways. sen. casey: why don't you show some strength and support the border bill? number two, he's talking a good game about u.s. steel.