>> and might not be from a is the message? >> it wasn't a question about commercial, it's what we have been provided so u.s. government organized for nearly two weeks now and we have seen for two weeks the decrease in the number of american business and family members who have taken those flights provided 22 of the flames around 1200 on them and i think the last time was 1100 and we have had only 150 people felt a little he said we would have those flights as long as they were there for it and make clear american citizens they may not

the air forever so please take one of the flights while they now exist and we should melt the capacity on middle east early. >> i don't know. >> they are very safe on those. >> how many did you say total? >> twenty-two so we do provide the slides. if the flights are full obviously people on board the flight carry the vast majority if not all believed to have flights that are only a handful of people which is why we wouldn't continue to -- they've made clear we cannot run that no

one is all them in the continues to be this capacity demand the reaction. >> what is the tactical? >> what you mean by that? >> they report says they proposed this and go to the

left. is this happening? >> i can't speak to the intention of the government, they will have to do that. i can make clear the policy of the united states is the should be no people from northern gaza and no permanent occupation and territory in gaza and when it comes to north gaza, the effective not just literary operations of the past week but closing of the gates in the north and restriction on movement of aid from the south to the north, the effect has been extremely dies dire for people in the north you look at the situation, it's been extremely difficult all across gaza and it has been heightened. we saw yesterday for the first time in weeks there is an open

to get aiden directly to the north up and running for a number of months directly to the north. we hope that will happen in the coming days. we saw that laid out in the letter. >> you talk about the lessons, this has been a situation. >> that would completely reject the premise of the question when you said you will push, we have

intervened on numerous occasions. only days right after october 7, secretary was in israel having difficult conversations to let the first truck permanent and he was successful and got over the and then have difficult conversations about the need to open up and that includes the president, after security advisor and others. we saw over the course of months, repeated examples of the u.s. on the u.s. intervening and getting results. we have think the amount of humanitarian assistance coming in. i like to respond to another question. shouldn't of them a letter is the first it's just a few will we have made clear to the we needed to see results every and

that's why we sent a letter we sent. [inaudible] >> we are concerned by the report of soldiers fighting on behalf of russia. if it's true, it would make a significant increase between those countries, the relationship you seemed over the past several months and indicate a new level of desperation that suffers casualties on the battlefield in looking i have

anything today we have other measures and will continue to do that. >> we want their to be free and fair elections in georgia closely monitoring and days ahead. >> we never tie that, we want the peace agreement months ago and haven't pushing for of this

agreement and ultimately help she did that so the message to the administration on these things and we will see it from the. >> i'm not going to speak -- i will not speak to whether it is real or imagined. >> in iran. >> i will mention what i mentioned earlier that i will not bring out of hezbollah it is on this. >> i would know that the

influence iran has had inside for the past year for an armed group look it's horrible ramifications for the people. it is certainly our hope is the law's role will be diminished because the lebanese people i have a say in their future direction of the country called hostage. and all of those directly have made clear we opposed the campaign from beirut and we have seen strike in recent days and will continue to watch

carefully. >> the administration has gone on this if you have anything on. only afghan nationals it was clear even though you indicated the on this. >> it is my understanding he did not and i will refer to them feet to the for the questions of the status. when it comes to assessing of trump look they have been closely tracking former president trump and administration officials for years dating back to the last administration and the national security letter of those priorities and condemn is threat. we have made their iran attack

any of our citizens including those who deserve the united states for those who formerly served iran for fake pause. >> i believe they go but i would really different is to him to speak to the programs. >> when you put it that way. we are monitoring the situation in close coordination and his need to earn and the actions and encourage to return to dialogue.

it is not do anything to alleviate it. >> having to represent this in the allegations, you have any general thoughts possible? >> is completely residents of the comes to the canadian matter please make clear the allegations extremely seriously and want to see them cooperate. >> how you feel about that?

>> i don't have a comment, but serious allegations in india investigation they have chosen. >> i don't have any free thing for the. >> is a follow-up conversations with india the seniormost levels. they have told us they are taking the allegations seriously and in the d.o.j. they represent government policies the meetings this week by india's inquiries is the suspect investigation in the last and they will keep us and investigated share what can

happen in the days and weeks ahead electrolysis tell you that the leading force land early last week they be live week before, before we were aware. i promised danny to go next. >> thank you. >> she seemed angry that i skipped her so busy the next. [laughter] >> the response to this week have seen this responsibility.

what is next? >> i would prefer to the first part of the question. when it comes to the actions by the dpr k, we've seen continued steps and we will continue. ...

>> so i did have any further comment on that beyond what the countries that said publicly. we have urged them to cooperate and will continue to urge them. [inaudible question] >> i will defer to those two countries to speak to the relevant status of the matter. >> modi has said yesterday he is shared -- india's involvement. [inaudible] >> i'm not going to speak publicly to private conversation. >> one more. several areas have received threats. several have been grounded. one flight had an emergency

landing. somebody in canada. either there's a scandal in singapore. this has been coming from several citizens of the u.s. [inaudible] how do you see that? >> obviously -- [inaudible] >> so obviously any kind of threats against commercial aviation are inappropriate and matters are dealt with extremely seriously by our own law enforcement agencies and i would defer to those law enforcement agencies. [inaudible] >> again, i will, i think it's a metaphor longford agencies, the department of justice to speak to. >> how are these investigations going to impact india's relationship? >> which investigation? >> the one -- >> i did know if you were referring to the person. india get you to be incredibly strong partner of the united states. we work with them on a number of matters including our shared vision for a free, open come

prospers indo-pacific. when we have concerns we have the kind of relationship we can take this concert and have frank candid conversations about those concerns and also even during. >> one final question. his immediate cooperating with u.s. as part of the? >> i'm not going to speak to the matter publicly. that's a question that again when it comes investigations that ought to be handled by law enforcement. >> thank you. >> a follow-up. anchors about thing you said earlier we've made clear to israel we oppose the bombing campaign over beirut. last week you wouldn't characterize the u.s. position on those bombings so can explain to us what's changed? >> so there are specific strikes that it would be appropriate for israel to carry out that when it comes to the scope and nature of the bombing campaign that we saw in beirut over the past few weeks something that we made clear to the government of israel we have consulted with and opposed to. >> they return to the bombing

campaign within an appropriate scope which you are not going to speedy i'm not going to speak to a hypothetical. so we have had concerns about the nature of a campaign we've expressed those privately to the government of israel. >> you said they had been halted for now. >> we've seen them come down the past few days. it's not about a protection of what will happen but we have seen them come down. >> will the implications if you don't continue to stay at the levels there at? >> i just don't want to say. >> are you telling them not to bomb beirut at all? >> we have made clear we are opposed to the campaign the way we semiconductive the past few weeks. they do have a right to go after legitimate terrorist targets. we see hazlett continue to operate across lebanon and israel does have a right to defend itself against those terrorists who pose a threat to israel. we've had real concerns about

the nature of the campaign that we solve rollout across beirut the past few weeks and we make those concerned publicly. i'm not good to speak to any detail from here but we felt quite detailed conversations. >> can you elaborate on that nature? is at the number of high civilian deaths? is at them seemingly targeting civilian infrastructure? >> it is a largely the civilian toll. >> thank you very much, matt. george, former parliamentary in uk and others have said this might be the last few days to -- because it almost ten days no one has met them. yesterday they allowed according to the political theater, are you aware of these reports that there are threats to his life and all? >> i seen reports and we want to see the human rights of every individual in pakistan be

respected. >> a couple of days ago there was a grand jury in my hometown by this political parties that just recently got banned as well. basically started from the tribal areas where i belong. thousands of people gathered. i mean hundreds of thousands. one of the vans they made was that both pakistan military and that -- should leave the formal tribal areas. if you give them two months leave the area to both of them. thoughts on mr.? >> i don't have any comment on of that. let me point because we running short. ryan, eidetic few people want to get to. >> follow up on what was aspr when you say israel has a right to strike terrorist targets in

beirut, about the civilian casualties, entire cities densely populated. how could they attack terrorist targets in beirut without -- >> i'm not going to get into prescribing the nature of the military campaign from here. it's a principle true for every country they have a right to defend themselves against terrorism but we've had concerns about the whims of the bombing bombing campaign in beirut rollout. [inaudible] >> ryan might have another question. >> it goes to 20 years ago when ariel sharon attacked the hamas commit in in gaza. the bush ministrations at this is outrageous, eight civilians was killed. unacceptable. when dozens or hundreds of surveys are killed in attacks on hezbollah leadership there isn't even a company statement say we regret the civilian toll. what changed? >> nothing changed. as a clueless week as we make clear at the beginning we were concerned about the lost a silly

life. we're always concerned about the loss and i continued rithika. >> ecuador, could you clarify your statement to put out a couple days ago about raffaello and jorge being barred from travel? i think the statement said it was for accepting bribes including through political contributions in exchange for granting favorable government contracts. can you elaborate on what they are being accused of? separately, jorge was dragged out of the mexican embassy after being given asylum by mexico. he stepped in a maximum security prison. so barring him from traveling to the united states doesn't have much functional or practical consequence of the van to satisfy ecuador is cited e argument that they were actually, it was okay for them to drag him out of the mexican embassy. the mexicans are still furious about that. they are trying to ecuador kicked out of you and for that. >> let me take that back. i'm not aware of the underlying

details. [inaudible question] >> so with respect to the ground operations in the north, they continue to operate incursions and continue to watch it very close. >> okay. question about -- the message that -- [inaudible] people are afraid and they are dying to leave. you said you made it clear to the israelis you oppose bombing beirut. >> i spoke and that before. i've spoken to that present. we made clear the airport needs to stay open, everyone at the airport to stay open, that we want the roads to the airport to stay open. the message i hope people did misinterpreted so let me make clear, they did. the message we sent out was for

american citizens and lawful permanent resident and other eligible family members making clear that we may not be able to continue these flights we organize in perpetuity. it wasn't about the status of the airports. it was about, because we have seen sufficient demand for slight. we've had flights going out with 12 12 people on them. we want to see people know that these options exist and that they should take them. >> the speaker had a call with macron, and spirit i assumed you didn't mean mike johnson. >> so no, but obviously when we saw that in the leaks in the media you are not aligned with incomes to the outcome in lebanon. they are calling for an immediate ceasefire. are you aligned with an? >> we have not called for an immediate ceasefire but we want to see ultimate a diplomatic resolution.

[inaudible question] >> i don't have any travel investments to make today. go heads. let's talk about the new delegation. what kind of message regarding -- [inaudible] >> the same message would make clear for some time which is it's a matter we take incredibly seriously and we want to see it fully investigate. >> shanghai cooperation and others are meeting. india foreign ministry is a bear. there are talks of peace talks. the united states respect each country sovereign right to associate in groupings of its own choosing. we would encourage every country church or its participation in multilateral fora uphold respect international law and reaffirms the sovereignty, territorial integrity and independence of all nations. >> there are a number of -- in the last few months involving --

[inaudible] is this a concert? >> we are aware of pakistan's request to the u.n. security council. we're committed to tracking, developing a new permit an effective policy responses to proliferation threats and continue to work with our partners to shape the international security. [inaudible question] >> ukraine, sorry. go ahead. >> what are your thoughts? >> i think it's inappropriate for russia to continue to make these statements as we have said for some time. >> one of the people the world saw burned alive by the bombing was a 19-year-old engineering student who still attached to an ivey recovering from a previous bombing. his story speaks of this isn't just about one attack in 19 19 jelled having to provide for family, displays, hunger twice

in a matter of days. how many more patients burned alive -- >> we don't want to see any. >> i guess the u.s. has said again and again but no sibling loss is acceptable to 10,000 deaths ago, 20,000 deaths ago and yet it continues. how does that mean anything? >> it is an incredibly difficult environment that israel operates in. i'll just make clear, the thing that that question leaves out has often happens i understand why, it's the burden hamas bears. not just the burden the hamas bears by hiding behind humans and using humans as civilian shields but the burden hamas bears and not come back to the table to try to get to a ceasefire. israel needs to do more to minimize civilian harm. hamas needs to stop hiding behind human shields. both of those things can be true. both of those things are true.

ultimately, the horrific human toll over the past year is why we continue to push to get to ceasefire, why want to see both sides agree to a ceasefire. >> if hamas is a yes much as a military force, house continue to kill hundreds of thousands people already suffering from existing apartheid going to defeat that. >> with we have made clear you cannot defeat an idea through military campaign. you can defeat hamas' military wing. you can degrade hamas this capability but has to be political path forward for a future in gaza without hamas. we had made that clear for the past year. >> question on and you channel of communication. how has the u.s. and israel been discussing civilian harm up to this point, and white has a it taken a year and at least 42,000 people killed. >> with long make clear what see changes we have seen position

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forth from republican congressman don bacon face off agnst his challenger in this debate hosted by kde t tv in omaha. the cook political report rates in this race a tossup. >> and welcome to the final debate between incoming republican congressman don bacon at his democratic challenger state senator tony vargas in the race for congress. we are live with her year to these candidates answer questions in a setting like this i had to head the day. the stakes congressional district may be never higher. let's get to the rules. our panelists are journalist julie cornell and bill shepherd. they will each ask a question meant for both candidates pick each that you will get 90 seconds to answer plus they were each get 45-second rebuttal. as moderator i do reserve the right to ask follow-ups for clarity from the candidates especially if i don't think you are directly addressed the question. we had a coin toss before this

to determine the order of the opening and closing statements and you would get the first question. we begin tonight with congressman bacon your opening message for our viewers. you women. >> thank you -- [inaudible] one of the biggest factors in this election for this congressional district is experience. i can bear the expenses the both of us tony taught school for two years and respect for teachers. i certainly 30 years in the air force, i committed five times. cubic of the largest bases in the air force. i served to understand our allies. i've been in combat for different times. i work with her nuclear weapons. the far east. i spent my whole career studying russia, china, north to korea and iran. the world is on fire right now and ask you who do you want making decisions in congress would come to a national security strategy? i'll leave you with this.

we'll experience counts. >> thank you. state senator you have one minute. >> thank you again for monitoring faq to kttv. first i want to start because i think it matters where we came from. and expensive reason why we do what we do. i'm a former public school science teacher, proud son of immigrants. my parents worked on factory lines. they fought for everything they had. it's the reason why i want the american dream for the middle class to be possible for you. reply i've been fighting for my entire career as a school board member, as a state senator these last eight years and also the reason why want to fight for you to lower costs in congress. and my record voting for $6 billion with the tax cuts, making sure where not only balancing budgets $37 billion with the law enforcement funding. i know it takes to get things done. i've seen congress has not been working. congressman bacon has been right in front with the ineffectiveness of the worst performing congress we see in

any of our history. we need new leadership and we need it now. >> thank you. thank you both. coin toss determine the order of the questions. congressman bacon you will go first you will have one mid have to answer, then you will follow. julie cornell has a first question. >> we're starting with one issue most americans agree on, a survey from the pew research center finds an overwhelming 81% of registered voters say the economy is the top issue for them this election. what policies and legislation would you take on first in washington? >> thank you julie. it is and what issue by far. the average american is 4.2% poor today than four years ago. we have to ask how to begetter? it was inflationary spending, particularly the first use of this initiation on the democrat house, senate president that inflation. nearly $3 trillion was flushed into the economy in a 30 trying

dollars economy which is about a 10% addition. that was the inflation roughly that we received. since we had a republican house we have cut a lot of the supplemental and x are spending that was done in the first two years and now we're seeing inflation coming down and started to see interest rates come down. they were middle-class tax cuts. i want to get people on social security tax cuts.

people relying on social security shouldn't have to pay taxes on those. those working in a restaurant i used to work at a restaurant they should be able to keep the tips tax-free. >> thank you. senator vargas, and in and a half. >> thank you. look, the economy at a cost of living is everything. i said that somebody who is an working-class parent pick my wife and and i figured how e ends meet now. my parents did the exact same thing. this is the reason why in my career in the legislature i voted for six dollars with the tax cuts. it's also his wife weeping we bn balancing budgets with a focus on getting money back to you. it's also the reason why i got named taxpayer defender by a conservative organization. but it also matters where congressman bacon has shown up the deficit has actually continued to rise. he voted against a middle-class tax cut and i find it frustrating when he talks with caring about the middle class these last eight years he has

said no way comes actually saving you money. when it comes to lowering your prescription drug cost for health care costs he has voted against it. when it comes in the class tax cuts he's also voted to raise your taxes. i think it matters. we want to make sure we hold him accountable for this because at the end of the day your pocketbooks, your wallets come how much we can actually save you is ultimately what matters the most. and because of a record in the legislature i believe that only to have the expense to get that done for you but we can no longer afford to have congressman bacon voting against middle-class families when he says he does. >> congressman bacon your rebuttal, 45 seconds. >> tony is full of phony baloney. i have never voted to raise taxes middle class. he talks about his parents weekend factory lines. i did that myself after college was waiting to join the air force. he said he is a taxpayer

defender. he did at one time out of eight years. he's proud of one year out of eight years he served that he was a defender of the tax. he should abandon all eight years. so in other words, he's been -- 12.5% of the half. for the voters out there you got a look at these. don't take his word, don't take my word. i've always stood for cutting taxes. i put her to get earning $50,000, $50,000, 20% tax cut and $100,000 earners i give them a 16% tax cut. >> store vargas, 45 seconds. >> thank you. look, what he's talking about isn't a middle-class tax cut. it was a taxiway to beginners and multimillionaires. it is been very, very clear that is most important to congressman bacon. and look, it's not surprising to me when congressman bacon has showed up these last eight years he's voted with donald trump almost the majority of the time. he refuses to stand up to his

party when it comes to these economic packages and to think it matters yes, he has increased taxes. he's a against issues that made it possible for you to put money in your pocket against lowering prescription drug cost and against lowering the cost of health insurance premiums. that matters of what to make sure to hold you accountable this fall. >> thank you, senator. next question from bill. >> let's talk about housing, average home prices jump to 280,000 ennoble the last four years. what policies would you put in place to help first-time homebuyers or to try to slow down the housing market? >> senator vargas you go first. >> housing is a very important to me. the reason is my parents, the first time they bought the first house it was everything. that was the american dream. this is the fundamental reason why in the legislature in

addition to cutting $6 billion worth of taxes and also voting for those tax cuts that actually passed we balanced budgets and then when we were focusing on economic projects to try to make it easier for you, i worked on housing initiatives that reduce regulation for housing that actually invested their next-generation of housing options to lower the cost and we were not done. i sponsored actually passed within $200 million worth of housing initiatives across the state, urban and rural because of what you make sure it's easier for you to afford your first home. i also think it matters what happens when congressman bacon is in his office and what he votes against. i want to lower your cost for your first-time homebuyers and for more options for housing. when he votes against middle-class tax cut andy increases costs for nebraskans especially families with children, i take it very personally on your behalf.

it's why a want to focus on middle-class tax cut, why want to focus on lowering your health insurance costs but unfortunately when congressman bacon voted to take away coverage for 700,000 nebraskans coverage for pre-existing conditions he cares a lot less of your pocketbook. >> congressman, a minute and half. >> i had the scoop the maneuver a lot when i was on the farm at a think of to do more those because they're so much baloney. let's talk about the pre-existing condition. i voted for the ach b which protects pre-existing conditions. let me give you some particulars. i voted for all the tax cuts that would come up and we have lowered your taxes. less taxes they buy% that when i came in. i voted for those tax cuts. in contrast tony proposed the largest tax increase in history of the state. he is taken us from the 16th ice income date to the fifth highest.

we are only the eighth highest when it comes to property taxes. let's talk about housing price about legislation that goes taxes and for people by manufactured homes. manufactured homes are a third less expensive than regular homes. i also sported land banks wetland banks and fix a property that's been vacated or just in shambles. by the way in the unicameral they had this vote and tony did not vote at all. he skipped the vote. one of the the 20% of votesd that or voted present on. i want to get tax incentive to clean up homes that are destroyed seeking going to fix them up and other people moving. finally i hope to help habitat for humanity help refurbish homes, got the approval, so they could give homes to people and bristly more people today with homes that he would not have had if we did not do that. >> senator, a minute and have. sorry, 45 seconds. >> i thought you're going to give me some more time.

>> sorry. >> one, housing really matters in this is a reason why focus on 200 million plus dollars of housing. we leverage dollars for the american that she planned to make this possible for some of the housing which congressman bacon voted against. we used this to make sure we're investing in housing opportunities across this district. he voted against the opportunity to make this happen. when he also talks about kerry in a pre-existing conditions he voted hell yes to take awa0 nebraskans coverage with pre-existing conditions. look it up this is a fact. when you voted how yes did basically the size of nebraska's second congressional district that tells me to a lot more about the $6 million of donations he received from special interest than he cares about your healthcare. >> congressman, 45 seconds but the ahc that i voted for guaranteed pre-existing coverage and it was right and guaranteed those who are young or young

adults could stay on their parents coverage. this is democrat talking points come from tony. i ask you to look separate into your research because he just does talking points, no meat on the bones on any of these things. the most important things we could do for housing is low interest rates. and because i and republican caucus stop this reckless been concluded american rescue plan, and gave us the worst inflation in 40 years and tony said he supported so he said hell yes did you translation. that's always suffered under that. we have been able to stop all the reckless been and now inflation is going down and interest rate to come down and that's probably the most important for housing now. >> next question from julie. >> gentlemen, the south is going to get the pieces from to make major hurricanes. nebraskans are recovering from a summer of devastating weather and at the same time homeowners face rising insurance rates and cost of rebuilding. do you believe climate change is

to blame, and what role do you think the government should play in protecting americans fiscally and financially? >> congressman, , a minute and half. >> i do think climate change placeable. is it a a defining role? we could debate. more people living on a coastline so we are more volatile to these hurricanes. we that terrible hurricanes whenever jessica but i've no doubt based on an increase in carbon there is a human factor here. that's why i support multiple ventures to put less pollution in here. i support support nuclear energy. i do, my work to get the solar income, or the solar tax deduction is also when the tax deduction put back in the tax reform law. i want to encourage that. in omaha with 40% of her energy that comes from wind and a proud of that. also was the founder or the lead republican on the global climate change which would help farmers or incentivize farmers to do more work to do sustainable

farming. i'm on a lot of different issues to clean up the environment. when it comes to rebuilding, isolate have at office and at camp ashland draws able to get $4 billion for off-white adding area $48 million for camp ashland. we rebuild those areas come built them up ten to 15 feet higher to make them flood proof. we need to the same kinds of things in sword and other areas and keep learning from disasters and harden the rebuilding so you don't pay as much overtime we have an emergency. >> a minute and have. >> thank you. climate change is real and we have a responsibility to not only slow it but we are needed be contributing to it. i know i did hear the was human factor. humans are playing a large role in the reason. the reason why the only as a former public school science teacher i taught this to my students. i taught this to my student because it to understand the future of the generation, land

and water and all these amazing natural resources is to them whether or protect them. it's also a reason why we need to invest in the kind of jobs and economic opportunities that will take care of the land and water. but it also means that those kind of jobs right now under attack. we have to be more competitive across this globe. we need to invest in the next generation of clean energy jobs that would everything possible to not only raise wages, benefits for nebraskans and for americans but also make sure those jobs are contributing to reducing his climate change. >> rather than just think it's somewhat of a factor. it is an absolute fact and we can do something about it. i also think it's important when we don't support these kind of american jobs, when congressman bacon voted against the chips act, these are tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of american-made jobs that will make us more competitive against

china, make us more competitive and suffer less relied and actually invest in the middle class. >> thank you, congressman. 45 seconds. here's yet another third built tony says he supported that helps fuel inflation. $270 billion bill for one industry, and again he is repeal he said he's voted, he's aboard the bills they gave us the worst inflation. the average taxpayer is 4.2% poor because of the policy tony is championing. i said i was the champion for wind energy. i cut those tax deductions back, solar energy. we should be moving farther ahead of nuclear energy. we should also been doing more with our natural gas. our natural gas is the cleanest in the world. it burned so much cleaner than coal. also we should look at carbon capture. with coal plants that will be here for a while. let's put the carbon capture technology on and capture pollution before consumer atmosphere. >> senator, 45 seconds.

>> the reason i talked about jobs is because this is one of the best ways to address our cost of living and lower the cost for you. this is a reason why i want to invest in clean energy jobs that will make it possible for you to be able to save more. and increase your wages. but i also think it matters that when i mention that congressman bacon does not support of the chips act, our next generation of stem jobs that will create hundreds of thousands of good paying american jobs and make us more competitive across this globe, he has no response and instead wants to continue to claim a lot of misinformation advice about my record. what i've worked on in the legislature is lowering the cost of going, investing in climate change solutions and doing everything we can for the middle class. next question from bill. >> let's get to this campaign ads we've been seeing. the race for the second district has had a lot of mudslinging.

some read by your campaign, some pack sadr supporting or against you. as your chance to set the record straight on one ad in this race. >> senator vargas, a minute and half. >> i don't have enough time for just one ad. look, i believe campaigns should be about democracy. they should be about facts. and what i can say, the envision that support congressman bacon, first, let set the record straight. the authors of project 2025 have stuff in common with congressman bacon. they have planned for them. so don't startle trump. it's clear to the advertisements that they care more about this power for don bacon keeping it than they care about you. if they did they wouldn't try to scare you because i never voted to increase my salary. i make $12,000 a year as a state

senator and identity against the lower your cost of living in his last eight years, $6 billion worth of tax cuts. the fact their time to make it fact that china make it seem like an increased my salary to an astronomical amount when in reality congressman bacon has made more than $2 million as a member that link during this time, is that with this increased to $2 million, $1 million as a member of congress he's made. he continues to vote against working middle-class families. making it harder for you, harder for you to piece of the american dream while he continues to do most of the bidding of $6 $6 million worth of special interest donations coming in because he know he's going to do what they asked him to. so yes, that's setting the record straight on many of these different types of ads. >> congressman,, , a minute and have. >> i served the military for 30 years earned a pension. tony here is what about me getting that pension. you just taught school for two years. if you would've done 30 years as

a teacher like i did in military you would've gotten up agents will. some of these things are your decision i didn't issue of him wanted to double his salary. he spoke on a, proposed to. i'm not the one making at issue. i think i would be more concerned about the fact he took $60,000 from the dark money group, led by mark allies of those listening, google mark allies. mark allies but $60,000 p cover his living expenses. he's under investigation by the fec. it should get more covers because it looks dirty from her there and it is clearly swampy. 2025 no one that i know has ready. he needs specifics. he doesn't give specifics on tax cuts doesn't give specifics and to support 125. nobody and cards that i know has read it and will never admit it. it's the bogeyman. the issue i probably have most concern on ads the tone and defensive put out is i've always

supported life of the above exceptions. i'm going to vote for the nebraska bill as reasonable restrictions on abortion where most nebraskans are at. i'm also going to support those exceptions for rape and incest also for health of the money. i'm glad to clarify that because every survey i filled out i've always talked about protecting life of the mother. >> congressman, thank you. tony vargas you said solemnly. don bacon you sit said aborh the issues you wanted to clarify. you get 30 seconds. 45 seconds. >> look, , it's clear project 25 don bacon doesn't want to read it. i urge you to google project 20 to five and he says he is wristed it. the authors have made clear they have planned for congressman bacon and as part of project 25 plan it is to ban abortion nationwide. they are taking more of the playbook out of his cosponsorship. he cosponsored full apportionment in the

constitution three different times. no exceptions to the life of the mother or for rape or incest. he believes if a 10-year-old is right they should carry to term and he knows better than women and children. we are standing up against his lies because he is concerned and afraid and word you are going hold them accountable. and i'm actually hoping you do so this november. >> congressman, 45 seconds. >> so much baloney with tony tonight. i have voted for life of the mother and it's what the nebraska law. it was to make a clue, as reasonable exceptions with rape and incest and also health of the mother. i've got to tell you something, the 2025 guy works for the foundation can he got fired so what tony just said is obviously not true. the guy got fired. so he obviously doesn't know. i'll come back to the pay issue. i'm not the guy bring up this paper outside groups are.

i think the bigger issue -ism taking $60,000 from a dark money group run by marc elias, look them up, and put in his pockets to quote help him pay his expenses. >> congressman, thank you do you have a chance shortly as senator vargas. next question to julie. >> there are a series of ads acclaimed as a very distinct by between the two of you would come to your stance on how to handle violent juvenile offenders. we would like you to clarify and tell us what your opinion is about our current policing and justice system. >> congressman. >> this is a big issue. we've had three county attorneys and three county sheriffs talk about the rise in juvenile violent crime. overall crime is going down and up out of that but juvenile violent crime is god of 1700% over eight years. the chief has made a big point about this. our shares say the biggest factor is the -- that belongs to

tony vargas that he passed about for five years ago, or security going to actually that made it harder to hold violent juveniles. they sheriffs are saying this. the county attorneys are saying this and i'm quoting them. the number one reason we have a spike in juvenile violence is because of tony vargas a minute. in fact, share of hansen said to make innocent people were murdered and his amendment was a primary reason why. the thing here to ask yourself when you're the law enforcement and you see that tony led a protest in the sum of 2020, still is on the line of the protesters while they were throwing rocks the size of this at the police, hundreds of police were injured during those bad terrible weeks until he was on the other side protesting them in. i'm so proud the opa, the oman police officers and the others have endorsement. the endorsement unanimously.

southern 85 cops come every single one voted me. not a single one for tony because they know who he is. >> senator cardin is a minute and a half. >> i voted for $37 million for law enforcement fund as a member for legislature. i had invested in not only are for law enforcement, by state law enforcement and funding for the ten extenders can also work to make sure protecting the pensions and retirement. congressman bacon you talk a lot about civility. the fact you just told everybody that i led a protest which i did not lead a protest is deplorable. we expect better than you. i always expect better because this community deserves truth rather than hyperbole, not misinformation and it just shares with you care more about this seat of power and actually keeping this election rather than actually the integrity of being honest. we've had law enforcement offices that event that only

supporters of hours, donors of ours, might not been in advertises because they believed that only do i support law enforcement, i will do everything i can to support our public safety. when you talk about the $60,000 that you keep mentioning, this is not only has no merit, it's from dark many groups that brought this initial complaint and there's been no wrongdoing for the work that was paid for. what you continue to do in trying to scare voters and you know exactly what you do, congressman bacon. we will hold you a candle to suffer because this kind of politicking should not be allowed. >> thank you, congressman. >> share of hansen was watching the entire time, leading the chance against our pleas for people were throwing rocks. he saw people throwing rocks at police, why did he say that why did he leave? even bigger question why did he

not protest the minneapolis for the crime that that crime was committed. you should've got up there to protest but he protested our pleas. sheriff hansen watched you the entire time you scream at the entire police. yelling at the police. this is my type. the police are angry at you for a reason. that's why not a single one would vote for you. >> now you may. >> congressman bacon, these last eight years you've been serving, one, it's more important to the public right now that you actually lead with his village you claim you've had this entire time. we saw this in the past debate where i had to stop you because you continued to make gross generalizations. it's a flat-out lie that i led protests and you know that. but you are so desperate to hold onto power right now. i want to work on behalf of

nebraskans. congressman bacon is so concern with this seat in winning it come he say whatever he needs to to be able to win this seat. look, i voted for $37 of law enforcement funding and will continue to prioritize our public safety. >> next question from bill. >> border and immigration is the portable theater platform campaigns by the chance to visit eagle pass, texas, earlier this year and talk with our deployed nebraska national guardsmen. customs and border protection report crossings of the 110,000 for the past two months. the first time they have been that low in more than three years. what is working and what still needs to be changed? >> senator vargas, a minute and half. >> one, we have to do everything we possibly can to address this issue. border security, immigration reform is critical. i'm a proud son of immigrants and also proud to be the son

appends the work incredibly hard, pay their taxes. and the legislature i prioritize public safety but it's an issue that we have to solve now and this immigration crisis is only going to be solved will be a bipartisan solutions that are making it easier for us to stop the four fentanyl, to stop human trafficking, and there was a bill, there was a bill and use senate, a vipers and build but by a republican u.s. senator that could have been passed right now. and if it would've passed it would've been one of the most fundamental steps forward in border security supported by border patrol agents. but it's republicans in congress that stop this. donald trump told every single republican, take away the solutions to solving our border crisis. because it's going to hurt my election. what did every single member of congress to? they did work to try to bring that bipartisan bill to the floor. if they did it would've passed.

they sat on their hands. congressman bacon didn't try to tell the speaker of the house to bring this to the four either. he could have. republicans are the ones standing and away of real border control and border security measures and immigration reform. >> congressman, and it desperate first of all i want to address the previous question. what is uncivil is lying. i have an obligation to correct the record when my opponent lies when he talks about saying i want to defund the police. i voted against middle-class taxes and i have an obligation to speak up. he provides no meat, just throws out with no specific bill or individuals and donors. i do. i backup my comments. but lying is what's whatl and i got to come back from the leadership of the police department saw a state senator leading his rights as a washing as they completing the yells against more others were throwing rocks at our pleas. more police were injured during the summer rights but tony, tony

backing of those protesters that were injured on generous six in washington, d.c. washington, d.c. let's talk about the border. under president trump with 2500 folks a day on average across our border under president obama visiting fit over a thousand was emergency under trouble 2500 joe biden when is running said, he welcomed everybody to come. went up to 10,000 a day. the bill tooth tiger and want to get it back to 5000 a day. that's not good enough. we've got to do better than 5000 a day. a lot of the things the administration is doing is what president trump was doing with executive order that biden always has in his reach do but refuse to do it until it was election time. i got to come back to sleep tony has never said the word border until about a a month and half ago. he's had a new word in his vocabulary as he's trying to win the election. >> thanks. the question is what's we can westerlies be change? center, 45 seconds to address that. >> border security is critical

and is important. democrats are the ones now that are compromising on this. what you saw in u.s. senate was a compromise bill that got killed by donald trump. when donald trump tells members of congress like don bacon what to do, they say what do you need me to do? this is the fundamental problem right now what we're seeing in our country. when i am working on issues voting for $6 billion worth of tax cuts, when i tried to not only fund our law enforcement at a public safety, it's because i care about your safety and your pocketbook. when there's a a real bipartin solution on the ground in congress, congressman bacon just avoids it doesn't do anything about it. >> congressman cotton 45 second seconds. >> under president trump we average 2500 a day coming illegally. under the built in to send the compromise bill quote was going

to be 5000 a day. many american that's not good enough. people can disagree. tony may be good with 5000 a day. i want more legal immigration, lest illegal immigration or tony talks about leadership. let's forget the former president he campaigned against me to discover i had a primary this primary people said i wasn't trumpet enough or not magazine update now he sang just the opposite. i have been rated the most effective and most bipartisan republican in congress. that's because it do what's right for this district, what's right for a country just like i did 30 years serving in military defending our country. >> next question comes from julie. >> we touched on this, please give us details. we seen the ads for mig about allegations that were you both stand on abortion. so right now what is your exact stance on when it is acceptable for women to have an abortion, and how has your voting record and in the proposed legislation supported that stance.

>> was congressman bacon, and it has. >> i'm going to support the nebraska law. the nebraska lands restriction on abortion at three months. by the way but i talked to folks i was doing door-to-door a couple times sweet, pro-choice three months is right because there's a science better tony talks up signs. most people see the signs of a heart beat, two u and two legs and at some point they know so right. i'm going to support the nebraska law. three month restriction as of the exceptions for health of the mother so if any health issues pop up, doctors have every right to work with the mother and do whatever is right for that mom. but also for rape and incest as well. i think the unicameral without tony's help i think they came up with a good balance, a consensus for most nebraska and are added. so julie ongoing to supporting this legislation, , going to voe for the and i got to point out, in contrast for my opponent is at, he's been asked dozens and

dozens of times what restrictions would he take. is it nine months? eight months? seven months? he is never able to give a restriction for healthy month and healthy baby. in fact, he is clearly an abortion up until birth. if you look at the what most countries are going where nebraska is at. most european countries are real from us right now. only seven country in world show the radical views of tony vargas when it comes to your restrictions. even a day before birth. >> thank you. look, i was a former public public site schoolteacher. i trained stem teacher trainers and it worked in education for years. this is a very personal issue because i have a five-year-old daughter. and when the decision got overturned, it was incredibly hard for my family. first off i saw my daughter realize

realized that she had fewer rights than my wife. i realize it wasn't just my daughter. this was every single woman across the state of nebraska come across this country we are going to how to navigate the this. i believe in restoring roe v. wade. that's what i'm going to do when i'm in congress. but also need to make sure i fight back against individuals like congressman bacon is not a physician and believes he can do people like my daughter when she can and cannot do with her body. and he is very much hiking and changing his position on this. otherwise, why would he have cosponsored full abortion ban in the constitution three different times? he was the original cosponsor of the life at conception asked. google. we see you will not only see coverage of news of this before abortion ban with no exceptions for the life of the mother or rape or incest. he's voted against protecting contraception access and even

right now he is going to do everything he possibly can when he has the opportunity to tell women what they can and cannot do with their bodies. >> congressman, 45 seconds per particularly on the const perception that total baloney. a lot of women are also pro-life. my wife is the mayor of omaha our senator is. there are many women who are leaders in a pro-life movement and we should make that clear. i been working with pro-life causes my whole life. i was a christian. i believe we're made in his image. i've worked in foster care. i felt young mothers. my wife is been a leader on this and i'm so grateful to her. tony, you're a science teacher. when does a beta of any rights? doesn't hate month old baby unborn being of rights? does a nine-month unborn baby of rights? i healthy mom and healthy baby? at some point most people in the world have said they do. most of the world is coming to what we are at, are policies in

nebraska. >> senator, 45 seconds. >> when congressman bacon cosponsored a full abortion ban in the constitution, he is desperately trying to hide his position on this. in his world there's no exceptions whatsoever for the life of the mother, for rate or incest. you may hear him say he believes that now, but the truth is his cosponsorship three different times of this tells the real story and how extreme he is. we can't believe in when it's his own name on these bills. it's his own and he put on it three different times. it's no surprise the same authors of project went with fun we said he's not going to read but their same donors of his in this document for apportionment in the constitution is part of their main priorities. where to stop don bacon and other republicans from enacting the. >> next question comes from bill. >> artificial intelligence,

address and i come just in the public sector and in advertising. other states are passing the eye laws. there's a concern some and that this will deter patchwork of laws that could crush use of it in interstate commerce. what legislation which is bored in congress when it comes to artificial intelligence? >> senator, a minute and have. >> one, this is our real issue. it's all a a partisan issue we should be working on. i've worked in the the legie on issues of time to do with how ai is impacting our day-to-day work we've been part of committee hearings and studies and his clue we do need a framework of law in congress to make sure we are reacting, actually try to be responsible as possible to this policy issue. because it is very quickly developing. doesn't matter if you're using ai now in the work you are doing or using ai through social media

for for something that you are potentially working on on your personal life. and i is basically within her hands come within our phones. but it also concerned because we're seeing these deepfakes, seeing it in politics. people trying to impersonate other individuals and also the concern of ai i have is making sure we're also advancing technology but also making sure we're generating the kind of jobs that lead in this sector and also protecting the kind of jobs and a lot of labor and you need job so we make sure we're not going too fast too quick. it's clear to me there's more that can be done. we need a framework, policy framework that has been working in an with ai companies and individuals, both sides can come to the table. this is what i want to work on. >> congressman, a minute and a. >> i want to touch but on the previous question since i had to correct the record once again.

the bill is referring s mention the word abortion in it. it's a statement of principle that the unborn child has rights. i say most of us do, agree with that at some point, right? secondly, for a person makes this number one issue of abortin on demand stillbirth, he had a chance about a bill in 2020 on 2020 on abortion, he voted present not voting. 20% of the time he does not vote. he says he's from the working-class poor working-class people get fired what it don't show up of the ai, and the cyber operations subcommittee chairman or i'd been that way for about three months now. i have a cyber offense and defense for the military. i also have the ai portfolio and electronic warfare portfolio. the big thing when you do you are now as a government is not get in the wake of industry. we got the industry working on this and finding the discoveries come during the program it, doing the quantum computing because we get in front of that and hinder it and china gets his

first they can break all of our codes. whoever gets ai first address into the golan will be a significant advantage to any conflict. i also think we have to protect against the deepfakes. we can someone misrepresent someone and making up a total fabricated story. this should be legislation to protect against that. >> the question is what legislation would you support on ai? that issue, what legislation would you support? center, 45 seconds. >> i i will work on legislation that addresses not only the deepfakes, we can agree on that, and also working in had to make sure their better protections for youth, better protections under social media apps. we have to do a lot more. ..

why would the department -- we can't agree on the stuff putting the base and image on a more portly and this is where i have a huge role, they have to able to do it more quickly. right now it's a four or five year process from commercial companies in silicon valley, it's got to be able to become

that year so we get the latest technology and helps fund a.i. research and right now too difficult for here technologies. >> next question from julie mack with longer life expectancy and working-class families finding themselves raising multigenerational families. millennial's, gen x caring for their parents. >> is a blessing to take care of our parents. so honored to have her mom with

us at 88 years old, it's something i believe for all of us. when it comes to aging society what i worry about is social security and medicare. the average person on social security will lose 21% of their benefits. medicare be 3611% so neatly gone. i support the commission have republican and democrat. we got to sit down and bipartisan -- how do we save medicare and balance the budget? they that nobody wants to tackle so we got to sit down and make it bipartisan. we'll have to sit down in room and work with/50 wins and losses on both sides.

leaders deal with it. >> , father can we talk about childcare and aging population. we've been able to do everything we can to make sure we invest more into it. childcare is very important to me. my wife and i tried to figure out how to make ends meet and this sector is incredibly hard.

he has not. they have endorsed me and raise the cap so more people can pay their fair share, i want to make sure we are protecting social security and medicare and invest in childcare so it's easier to be able to get by. his exact words were yes, it tells me he's not prioritizing for everyday middle class and hold them accountable. >> aca had the existing.

they put out a new bill and support. it is a way can get a bipartisan calendar bill passed. that's why we have all these ads did leave and bipartisan for this.

it has enough reading for the national education association. these americans holding accountable, individuals say they care about childcare and working and middle-class. the final question and for the sense of timing, one minute to answer the questions for 32nd rebuttal. >> we have accusations, we heard each of you say there are lots of character.

we want to know what you think your opponent is doing right. >> two things. it's important we have more opportunities for served and are military. i think that is important and i hope more people will consider that. something we need to make sure we are in the hallmark republicans and democrats alike for the engagement and solve problems. >> been working this for a years

and the fact that they noted the i have shown courage of this issue. the camera. you voted presence with the 20% failed to vote. i love how we watched from a father that cares for the children and i appreciate that. my father four, three are married. i love my eight grandchildren and i love their personality. i can see the love toward his two children. >> appreciate you knowledge and not only to be a good father but

a good husband. i want to make it clear that has nothing to do with the discussion. and he tears them down. >> what is the really uncivil thing? and the endorse me at one 100%.

>> now we move the closing payment. >> i want to thank the distinguished panel. my parents came here with little to nothing helping your community in the middle class is something we. prioritizing spilling with the tax cuts money in your pockets did it because there's the right

thing to do and was named taxpayer defender because of probably party. it matters who is presenting us and it was clear to me the independence and burn donald trump's endorsement within a couple of weeks. when he took 6 million worth of donations, 80000 against bipartisan legislation taking so much from insurance companies voting against flowing and 700,000. finally hiding from this

abortion stance with no exception of full abortion ban cosponsoring three different times, it seems like you) sponsorship and be to hold them accountable this november. >> this is a great american tradition. i talked about experience, two years of teaching purses the most senior levels but just as importantly for issues and results. the economy, the border and crime. all three issues the voters favor my positions and impose the inflationary spending that resulted in 4.2% and income or value for every american.

the comes to the border, he never mentioned the border at all. i voted for the strongest border security possible. by the people on the streets which decreases crime against americans and having a full-time. the most effective republican congress. what does it result in? 5 billion in infrastructure.

i ask for your vote tonight in the second district of nebraska. >> we want to thank the candidate for their willingness to participate in this debate. inflating a healthy democracy for all. he state debates.

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c-span2. former u.s. house lawmakers discuss the current congress. california. >> hello, everybody.

the core mission here which was inspired by were five why you. the policy and other portions. the congressionally turned

senators and representatives. the democratic and republican policy. we aim plant friendly discussion about how it changed your time in office. i hope you will forgive me in advance. martha who served as a republicans. the one. decided bachelors degree in why

you and went on the school of law welcome back. >> u.s. 14th congressional district in the u.s. congress you nearly years. in 1907 to 1980. 1997 to 2015. the congresswoman has described herself as try, a little

surprising. and does not speak english. they represented sylvania redistrict, an area from this background. >> a couple of questions about congress generally because i think you all have an unusual and valuable perspective.

i would say we live in an era of the executive branch is in congress. is this a good or bad thing? >> people you see right here and suffer as members. we spent about? honestly it is house of representatives and we see our part in the administration state

and power for the administration which i saw on both sides when they held everything. >> in the presidency? >> to make a determination.

>> the courts have discovered this. and playing a much bigger role. going back and forth in the

presidency. in this power at this time. >> most of the time you're there about the minority to get mundane things done in los angeles with this congress, it was also john weiner as speaker and we could probably talk about

that more later. >> i think what everyone said adequately represents why we are where we are congress wanted to reduce the presidency and their powers and function better, it would pass legislation and believe congress had so much, even the legislation we passed, you figure this out. for a unique perspective members of congress a just passed a huge big bill, was that leadership figure out. a lot of times ranking member looks to leadership to pass legislation the spending bill and put it in the biggest they don't want to.

it's congress choosing to operate. >> secretary to do this, what color shoelaces will be. we got way down. twenty years i was in congress, the money congress has the ability to move, 53 and 83% for intelligence and homeland security.

it was for all intents purpose, the committee and this is a little unknown fact armed service committee will putting in the authorization act for 60 plus years. >> we only keep one bill a year end pay the bills and therefore we are the committee will replace everything from the military and that, everything. okay medicine and how much we fortify them so we are going to promote. everything you can imagine would

have everything in it is passed in that one bill and for 65 years, is the only belt every year has been passed. >> little different the bills from passing and they are probably lastly as you probably heard of the we know the republican leadership wealth present time is dealing with that, they will figure that out. they are going to say there are the ones and cable-television like that but it is terribly challenging.

>> that is a bill passed annually to scientists measures defense activities in the bill that this year has close to the middle and the extremes of both parties. what is going on there? i think of allport being more or less in a little. what you have that dynamical the you have a three republicans as distinct democrats. agreed to physically. >> it is the idea that you know you will hit everything you want

but you will be on behalf of these people. and represent them. and people who have never put their name on the ballot and probably never step foot in your district and don't know where you're coming from.

the voting records the in my experience i remember watching everyday primarily given obamacare and negotiations, both for incredibly angry. in that development, eventually people got elected to congress

and then it turned into freedom caucus as much as there is a reaction on the democrat side, the state that trump was elected, i knew it would be reaction to that. the only change made primary. it is the response to the freedom caucus it was a response to trump. in the house the freedom caucus has credible power. they have undermined speakers

and there now in a very powerful position, let us not the case from the democratic side. he was saying about and therefore people in the extremes they were legislating. and that's how you legislate. >> to your initial question, whether it is the freedom caucus usually in the majority in the

freedom caucus is strategically effective. she held out and i don't believe speaker pelosi was quite some time. you can be really effective if you can present yourself as ideologically pure. for the present what i'm not pleased with forward. >> i came in earlier than they

did so the house of representatives more than they did. i came in after newt gingrich was already for two years. democrats have been in control for three years. and they went over the top and they have a revolution on. and a personal destruction that's when you don't go back to your district, that's when a lot of us so started to happen. then when i came in in the middle. in the house to have humanity

will. 50% plus one and if you have ever seen the house of representatives in the state of the union they were like this link. his only other side of the aisle. the north liberal you are quick like you all college. everybody has there's dave chosen but in the middle more conservative on the democratic side and liberal publicans facetious i'll. we would generally start a bill

this way and then pick up the votes needed to get to 218 and that is usually the way we pass the bill. now on the extreme here for the on their own. and the real. >> that's where i hung out. turn to elections and we are

obviously in the middle of a presidential election. i wanted to ask you all, what is it like to run for election and you get attention, how do you get the fuses will candidates? >> i think similarly to you, they were always determined, it doesn't exist anymore but like an 18th district. so can't really say during the midterms so exactly democrat to get to congress but it wasn't here.

most of that will i was a surrogate for the mitt romney campaign and getting away from congress is romney ryan campaign. that was in my district. >> i come from orange county, california, for the great republicans lived so it is a very republican area. members of the house of representatives and the population and for me it was republican white males.

and the list goes on. when i one, i one by 984 votes. i was a latina, i was young, one of the youngest woman to ever go to congress. there is a democrat and a woman, all the things you wouldn't imagine so when i got to the house, they refused to accept my election and they investigated me for 15 months in congress. many said of my election, it is the worst in the house of representatives. >> so you all think you win --

it's a club. he come over, knock on the door, they opened the and you show your paperwork. on the day -- okay. >> if you win, you get is. >> january 3 was the day i remember, it's my birthday. he will stand up. 435 of us stand up and we are all sorting together except the last day, republican close to the microphone the second boat was whether i get to stay in congress are not so you ask, how does of presidential election affect you?

and that way it affected me well because i was able to convince hillary's brother, i wasn't on the radar screen and i told you the reasons why already, a typical month before as i can when and he promised to fight this and the campaign for me. in the can make a big difference somebody like me but can also be the kiss of death. in the president's doing things felt like especially on and off your election. for a person in a competitive district, it's a big deal for the money is going and how

things are going. >> on you brand yourself? the talk was gubernatorial race democrat and they want by a lot so how getting a voter posing for democratic government whether independent, republican, how i get them to vote for me? , different brand they are not associating with? fast-forward to 2025 running for reelection win but republicans and some in the art getting any democrats in getting a personal relationship with them. what do i do to differentiate myself with you differentiate

yourself from the democratic voter to vote for you based on where you are on these environmental issues or some local issues, i voted for that whatever the case may be, a democrat members of congress, the guy. she doesn't always focus on politics, the last category in these swings distant the question is very good, it is way different framing in a presidential cycle is a swing district, for markedly different especially with the polarized environment. >> they had a more competitive race november.

the last time a publican want was ronald reagan so it's been since 84, a longtime. we kind of worry about that when i was getting was the freedom to go out and help fellow democrats. he gave me the opportunity to help raising money for them and get elected and as much as they have all been called they wanted to be on our radar.

the real problem is fewer and fewer like them. there are not many competitive races. there are a handful here or there in the house if you ask the functionality, they are rewarded in primaries. >> so much so they donald trump was unfit to be president in the primary and the billboard and

obama election it's mostly my old districts and we headed of electric. >> you are joe crowley and you are in one of the 20 districts. it is a bipartisan infrastructure bill, a democrat bill comes up in 15 republicans, and going to vote for that and going home and telling everybody to.

you go back to district, i voted for the biden bill and you will have a primary problem so the challenge in a heavily partisan district, it's difficult if you're in a heavily partisan district for leadership to vote against your part you for leadership down in the more highly partisan exit. >> when he gets worn into the house, you get two tickets.

i need to support my family. i have to pick them off of the people. it really turned out and you may have my ticket. he said as long as it is going, we are going to work together. i will use a letter.

>> thank you all for coming raising money in the election and the chairman or chairwoman, you have to raise a lot of money. >> i spoke a lot about this. you prices to have that status to be able to raise the money.

most of us starting out and it was raising money. since the television and the primaries. i was not used to that so it is on the bill. there is the sense of robbery

that you have to do your part to help with the majority. what you have is taken for loss very quickly. sounds majority for four years. when i helped get into the promised land with the 18, i did my part and contributed $6,150,000. there's no question money is this issue not only for myself but they will rewarded and in

california for the early evening. it's like i had to do it. my neighbor gave me 150 bucks. i knew that person. it's like you got to get as much as you can from. the first person when they go to leadership saying i want to be

any appropriations producing whatever the allocation is for the congressional committee and the amount required is by seniority and it went through the roof. >> i'm one of the members of a soundtrack. money, money, money playing in the background. i knew everybody, the name of their kids, i knew everybody. i was at one time the number two razor of the democrat party. the reason was, when republicans

2011 in the house. i became a big money raiser. you are an appropriate are and money for candidates. will it was just like whoever came will. you for -- >> loretta. yes, ma'am. i need $100,000 today. let's nancy, i'm not good. because you haven't and you and raise it.

still nancy would call it any $2,150,000. it now. when your leader calls you and you got, you got to give it. that is the name of the game we have had a good saturday. >> from 5000 people based on

those and this is a big one on both sides of the aisle for billions and they are the various numbers. you have to do something in order to get there but there is like an entire ecosystem of donors to get to them requires different strategies. that is yet to be written because the entire book of fundraising has been rewritten the past three or four years so an interesting session. some raise money to get

reelected in some raise money to get other people elected. there's a lot more to it than initially. >> i think a lot of the times in terms of individuals "we had our country is broken especially the one before and i must is failing hundreds of millions of dollars to have. >> and this is united. >> yes in terms of -- if i gave a dollar to the campaign it

would be corporate dollars and nobody knows where it's being spent. >> we have another question. >> thank you so much for joining us here. as you mentioned, there's a lot of currently in our political environment i wanted to ask, we see in this very polarized era courageous republicans. ...

alleviate the polarization and going so far to, like, risk their own seat and leaving their seat in congress. do you see yourself bowing to kamala harris, for example, or what do you make of liz cheney and adam kissinger and so on? >> i have a unique view, i told you i was in the district after i came out against trauma and 16 my primary opponent thought 33,000 writings which caused me did below 50% and then in 18 i

had the most difficult race that i've had over the course of 10 years because of my position on trump. because i double down on it in 18. you will see he endorsed me. that was not because i asked. somebody else did that. great personal cost. the career path that you are on. i cannot speak for that. adam and i both got elected at the same time and we keep in touch regularly. it took a lot of courage to stand up to the party. again, people these days have been granted permission to do some pretty awful things, even

beyond name-calling and things like that. i have mad respect for anybody from either poetry -- party, that is willing to stand up against their party because it's about our country before it is about our party. >> i would just say this. no matter what your personal opinion is, half of this country is going to vote for him. whether it is 49%, you know, it is very close, i think that there are a lot of republicans that separate anxiety has said and done from either things that he stands for, or the fact that he is not kamala harris. there are a lot of republicans who say i don't like this, i don't like that, but i really do

not subscribe to her brand of progressive politics. you can now support kamala harris without looking at donald trump as a world savior. in terms of adam and liz, i know them both, i like them both. the main thing, to be perfectly blunt with you is there safety. there are, you know, political violence is not just if you speak out against trump. it could be when you speak out in favor of trump. trump almost got assassinated. that is a real problem with our politics. the translation from opposing a candidate or supporting a candidate to being an enemy of the state or worthy of someone's violent acts against you. that is a discussion for another day.

there are members of congress who worried day in and day out about their safety and whether they will be able to go home and see their kids if they vote a certain way. that is not what this republic was founded upon. it was founded upon going to washington, voting on behalf of the interest of your citizen and then one day returning back home and living your life free of harassment. that is a real challenge of our time. >> i would like to think that if i was in those positions -- i don't know. i would say tremendous respect for both of them. i think they have both been focused. adam did not work for reelection liz did and lost. maybe giving her a little bit more up on that because she pushed the envelope. also about our system.

the republican party, it is not every district that depends on those individuals they are. if you go against the presidential choice, if you go against donald trump, you will have a primary and you will probably lose. someone will take a seat and it will not be you. >> i made it. i made it. so you decided you had enough. that is true. i know donald trump. i don't know if i've actually met him. i've known him for like 50 years i was on one phone, hold on a second.

i go i don't know. i just don't like that guy. i don't want to answer the phone so i was right about him. at donald trump type of person on the democratic side, i do not see it ever happening. someone who had no respect for the constitution no respect for the laws. given my background and my character, i think i would get but i do give a lot of respect to people. that was not easy. i never had, you probably had this, i only had one threat against me in my 20 years in congress. it was around christmas time. others today -- >> may be one more question from the audience. let's see.

>> i will get yours, too. >> hello. thank you for coming today. there are issues that are generally popular among the american people. democratic republican weird they say the reason why these issues are not being engaged with even though they are generally popular is because the money of politics. what would you say to them? >> i am not so sure that i agree i would have to look at the polling. extending public healthcare. there are so many people who do not like the aca. having such a hard time passing that. there a lot of people that want universal healthcare. it is called medicare. i would run into people and they

would say don't vote for that aca thing. don't vote for that obamacare. i want to keep my medicare. medicare is like obamacare. i don't think there is as big of an appetite. i think it is a very divisive issue. i think some people want healthcare. i think that there is a good group of people who do not want the government involved in healthcare. and then there is a group of people that think government is probably the only way we will get the healthcare that all americans want. >> okay. you have medicaid or you have the exchanges if you don't. i would say it is probably less about the expansion of healthcare and more about the benefits that you would be entitled to under healthcare. i think the more emerging issue and the democrats kind of illness, republicans have rejected it, should they

negotiate with pharmaceutical companies on drug pricing. that, to me, is a central issue rather than what you said. what types of healthcare and what services provided within the healthcare system should be guaranteed. >> on top of that, should it be a change within themselves. should it be an option that the government has there. in terms of that versus a single-payer health care system which i think for a lot of reasons, not just because of republican oppositions or democratic oppositions, i think in terms of forward. that would be where i think you will see some of that. >> inches interesting, too. agreeing with you, congresswoman medicare for all does not hold very well. depending on how you frame it.

>> i carry dental vision should it be included? i can tell you where that one falls. >> that supports what you just said. those are majority. >> expansion could mean something a little bit different , but, yes. everybody wants more things especially if it does not cost anything. >> historically in our country it does not always mean you should go towards the populist all the time. i think you kinda have some temperate. that is what we are missing right now. certainly on both sides in terms of the rhetoric that is being used. not that trump wants to have tax credit -- >> on the auto loan. yeah, yeah. interest deductibility is on

your auto loan. >> auto companies will like it. >> they will love it. whether it is responsible or not responsible to do that or not. what we really need to be doing is looking at overall transportation. it is a very populist thing to say but not something that will be an -- enacted by the congress , quite frankly. >> that is another interesting book. where does it had in the republican party where it is very prominent. where does it had in the democratic party over the next 10-15 years. the fact that you have republican members praising the ftc chair on some of the think she is doing to me is mind blowing. it is acceptable in many republican circles. probably more alive and well when you were serving. martha, i do not recall a huge

populist strand in the republican congress when we were there. >> they kind of trusted their members of congress to go and do their job. it was not until the advent of silos of information and cable tv and now you only talk to your friends and reiterate what you all think together and you never hear the other side type of thing. until all of that in social media came in, before it was like you all did not really know what we were doing in d.c. you just trusted that we would go and we would work as best we could and then we would come back and filter through what i did. i would tell you, oh, yeah, listen to what i did and you guys with say loretta is a great congresswoman. now if i was in there and i came

back i would have a long list of people screaming and yelling at me. >> i always hated it when we sat in our conference and we were told if you are explaining, you are losing. no, if i am explaining, i am actually doing my job. this whole idea of the representative government is i have to know all the nitty-gritty details to make a determination of whether this is good policy or bad policy to save you the trouble. that is why you elected me because you do trust me to go make that decision. if i am not coming home and meeting with the people i represent on a regular basis throughout my district saying i know you think you disagree with me on this, but let me explain to you why i made the decision with the information that i had at the time. generally, even if people still disagree with you, you will start getting some head nods in the audience. that is explaining and you are winning because you are actually doing your job. >> i think we have time for one

more. >> thank you. watching these presidential debates, i have a lot of students that will say i do not know what this president's policy is. i think the debate should be between speaker johnson a minority jeffries. do you see there being a debate party versus party may be in the midterm not a presidential election but something that speaks to the policymaking branch versus the presidency. >> i did not really have a place with that. they have been arranged on the floor in the past. i do not know if we will ever see it between the two leaders themselves. i would pay to see that myself. having that cadence of a baptist minister as a hip-hop artist. he is amazing. he became the chair of the caucus after i left. i could not be more proud.

look, johnson under the most duress of any elected official in washington today outside of the president's elections. his position as speaker is very tenuous. >> volatile. >> very volatile. >> agreeing to that under those circumstances. he has more to lose i think. >> the leaders used to do a colloquy at the end of the week, does that still happen. >> the minority leader and minority leader deal. he would always have these issues. >> policies. >> is a possible we will have this women's act in the upcoming >> we -- would we include stocking because 90% of the women under age 43 believe they are being stocked.

so, he would put policy into the scheduling. the speaker would say, no, we are not doing that. >> what is interesting though is if you were to have that and i'm sure i would defer to loretta and joe in terms of where they see the division, there are differences between the parties. especially on tax. there are differences within the party on trade issues, uncertain national security geopolitical issues. if you are to have the speaker in the minority leader having this debate, they are subject they would not like to talk about because things still need to be flushed out within each political party. a fascinating commentary on modern day contemporary political parties and some of the tensions that exist. >> people talking about joe biden. nancy pelosi, not jeffries and

not chuck schumer because chuck schumer and jeffries have constituencies within their caucus. not those constituents anymore. he did. you would've gone back to the house of representatives. you want me to leave because you want to keep the senate. they really could not do it, in my opinion. that is an example of why you will not see that. >> he's going to lose his arm. >> i want to just close by asking you each, again, i am sorry. we are running out of time now. we have to finish the conversation. i want to ask you each very briefly just to give you a minute of what gives you hope in

today's political climate. i would love to start with may be brian, if you can do it. just give us a quick sense of what gives you hope. >> a lot of the folks that are now running for office, i mean, look, i came up through the political system. a very conventional path. a lot of the folks you see running for congress now, running for local office, 10 years ago probably had no desire or conception that they would ever do it. frankly, our democracy is founded on citizens having a complaint, having a grievance in deciding to lean in, understand how to get on the ballot, run for office to make the change that they want to see happen. notwithstanding the problems that we have, the secret ingredient to reforming things and fixing things are interested citizens have a pass i want to serve. that still exists in our country that said, that gives me hope.

>> i thought one of the reasons why we are so old arises because of all the social media and siloing of information in everything. i think at some point especially you young people will get sick and tired of that. you will go off your stuff and you will go, okay, we have to do something different it is not working for us. more information than you have ever had. your phone has more capability and it then what it took to put the man on the moon. and, yet, for some reason, it is not being used the way i think that it should be used. really positive forward manner. i think that at some point you all are going to get sick of the fact of what is going on and you will say, okay, we need to hit it in a different way. my hope is that you do decide you want to get involved.

you decide you want to run for -- you decide it's important to go to washington, d.c. and take elected or civil servants. with your knowledge that all of this information was just a bunch of garbage that you will actually decide you can make a difference and you can get there and help us. >> what gives me hope is that we are not a nation in decline. that may come as a shock to you. you were being pummeled by one individual particularly. there is no country on the face of the earth that comes remotely close to what we have here. we are the cutting edge of ai. we are the cutting edge of everything. you get that one down to ai.

i believe in this country and i will say this. i love what i did for 32 years. i was in the state legislature for two years. i enjoy, i had joy when i did it i liked debating my calling. i like talking about those issues. i think that that is what needs to be restored again. i love going on campaigns. i love to be on the street. i enjoyed it. this is not something that is ugly. this is not something that should be frowned upon or denigrated. it should be uplifted. if i could leave that, my follow-up would be never bet against the united states.

i will just take this opportunity to provide each of you with a little hope. what you see up here, this happens in congress every day. has it gotten more difficult in our current political environment? yes, every single day they work on bills that they are in session that are bipartisan. you just will not hear about it on whatever news network you choose to watch. this relationship, my best friend still to this day is the democrat in alabama. when i tell you we are friends first, we are friends first. we were colleagues second. but i just need all of you to know the news networks cannot make money also telling you that people in congress actually like each other across the aisle. and, so, i just need you all to

be encouraged by this. this is why we do this. to demonstrate to you that they are rational, reasonable people that love their country. we make about it from very different perspectives. so we are willing to listen to each other and hear each other and work with each other because at the end of the day we all love our country. >> those inspiring words. let's think our panelists. brian, loretta, joe, martha. thank you to nyu for hosting. thank you to the audience for great questions and participation. have a great day. >> our c-span to a liv coverage of campaign 2024 continues this evening with republinice presidential nominee and senator jd van. he is part of the mambo townhall in lafayette hills pennsylvania.

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atr radio. we are looking forward to a spirited discussion on a number of topics that are very important to voters. so, with that, let's introduce the candidates. first, we want to welcome congresswoman a democrat and her republican challenger george logan. we appreciate both of you being here tonight. it is important to note that this is the first and only debate between these candidates prior to election day. tonight the candidates will be taking questions from our three panelists. next to me we have channel three susan lewis our chief political reporter. after that we have dan hard. a columnist and senior editor of ct insider and finally -- senior political reporter for wsh you public radio. thank you to you three for being here tonight as well. we did a coin toss with the

campaigns on monday we determined that mr. logan will give the first opening statement congresswoman hayes will answer our first question and she will make the first closing statement now to the rules which both of these campaigns have agreed upon each candidate has a 90 seconds to make an opening statement. after that they will be asked a question and have two minutes to respond to. the opposing candidate will have one minute for a rebuttal. as the moderator, i have the ability to grant another 30 seconds to the original person question. if it is determined that a response is warranted. but after that, we will move on to the next question. each candidate will be given two minutes at the end of the debate to make a closing statement. now that we have gone over the rules, let's get started. mr. logan, we begin tonight with your opening statement and we have 90 seconds. >> thank you.

want to thank everyone for being here today. my goal here today is to make the fifth congressional district the best place to live, work, raise a family and retire. you take a look at where we are now, 32 years ago, everything is worse off. you look at affordability, the cost of everything from groceries, milk, bread, seasoning like adobo, gasoline prices have all gone. you take a look at the border. we have folks coming across the border illegally. folks bringing in illegal drugs, human trafficking, it is a problem and it is a main issue. my opponent has done little to help that situation. as a matter of fact their claim she has actually made it worse. my parents came from america to guatemala. in terms of an education for me and my siblings. give us the opportunity for

better job. i do not want that dream to end with me. right now there are so many people struggling to make ends meet. i want to go to washington to work on a bipartisan basis to reduce reckless wasteful spending. i want to lower taxes. i want people to have more money in their pockets. i want people to feel safer in their community. i want to fix broken washington. one of the most partisan members going to that and i want to be part of that solution. >> congresswoman hayes, you now have your opening statement and you also have 90 seconds. >> thank you. >> thank you for being here tonight he had i look forward to having a spirited debate as the moderator said about the issues that affect the people in this district cared about the things that you care about. he has right. the economy, affordability, the border. all of those are things that people want to talk about.

i plan to tell you what i have done what i plan to do. i also look forward to hearing from my opponent. not like status quo but in what he has actually done because he also has a voting record as a state senator, as a connecticut state senator. i would like for him to hear how he has made this state better. how key, what he has done to affect the people of this district and hopefully, actually , i believe that at the end of this debate that people will see that there is a clear contract between me and my opponent. i want this district where i've lived, raise my children, worked my whole life, worship, shopped, everything, this is a community that i am part of. i want this to be a community where everyone can prosper. not just a few people. not just the wealthy and well-connected, everyone. i have the record to prove that. he says he is bipartisan but he has nothing to show. he cannot point to any specific

action. hopefully tonight that will come out and i look forward to a discussion. i look forward to sharing my work and what i have done. >> congresswoman hayes, thank you very much. we appreciate both of your opening statements. the first question tonight will go to you congresswoman hayes. >> thank you. i want to thank you both for agreeing in participating in this debate. congresswoman hayes, what you see as the three most important things in the district that you would like to address in the next two years. >> well, as i travel around the district whether ethnicities, suburbs, rural communities, there are some things everywhere one of the top issues is inflation we hear a lot about that. we talk about inflation it is not just the price of seasoning and gasoline. it is affordable housing. 36% of people's income goes to

affordable housing. i brought money back to this district for affordable housing in different places around the district. to help people so that when they are deciding on their bills and what they have to pay, knowing that a huge chunk is not going to their rent. part of our inflation conversation is about making sure people have living wages. i voted to increase the minimum wage. my son voted against that when he was a state senator. lowering the cost of prescription drugs and healthcare. that is something i've done time and time again. 129,000 people signed up for the affordable care act in just 2024 that is something that he does not support. i want to make sure that we are addressing all of those issues. i also support the vice presidents plan to go against corporations that are price gouging so that we can lower the price of groceries and things like that. that is a huge issue for me when we talk about inflation and affordability. i think that in this district a

big issue for me will be passing a farm bill that protects our farmers. that provides crop insurance, that feeds our children. when you talk about bipartisanship i have a problem with some of my republican colleagues because the bills that i sponsor and cosponsor are to feed children, public education. they don't want to sign onto things like that. protecting our democracy. january 6 should have been a nonstarter for everyone. it is a disqualifying factor. you should be able to agree with that. he said that he would not have voted for a january 6 commission those are things that i think feed into all the other issues that we will talk about. >> congresswoman hayes, thank you very much. mr. logan, you now have one minute to reply. >> over and over again, are the complications for sure. affordability the big issue. directly spending in washington and the policies coming from

washington that have resulted in government -induced inflation has caused the increase of all kinds of goods and services. the people in the district are suffering from. take a look at energy costs and the cost of gasoline. the administration of washington , the first thing was killing the keystone pipeline. racing towards energy independence. my opponent supported washington in terms of their absolute war against american energy, american energy independence. i want them to be energy independent. i want to bring down the costs in a sustainable way. we must secure the southern border. we must fix washington. washington is broken. folks are tired of the partisanship that we have in washington. we can fix it. we need a new voice in washington. she has had six years to make a difference and she has not.

>> right now we will move onto question two. two minutes. >> thank you very much. you have both talked already in a short few minutes about the economy and jobs. i want to drill down a little bit more and talk about how you think things are right now. you both talked about families struggling and that is always the case. families are struggling with prices as you said, mr. logan. how do you thinks are right now? unemployment is near record lows hovering around 4%. jobs are the high sustainable number. wages have outpaced inflation of these for the last two years. and yet there is a lot of struggle. how would you characterize the economy and what do you think should happen differently? >> sure. for me and the people of the district statistics mean absolutely nothing. when you take a look at what the

people in the district are suffering with high grocery prices, high gas prices, the cost of mortgages, rent going up , we have young people that do not have the ability to what i've been able to do with my family. my home, raise a family, the cost of everything is going. jobs are going down. america's place in the world has been exponentially weekend. supported by my candidate, my opponent. we need to go in a different direction. it is time for us to really hone in on wasteful spending. it is time for us to reduce taxes. put more money in the pocket of folks. that will help our economy. we need to make sure that the government stops putting together these loaded programs that result in deficit spending. deficit spending is kicking the can down the road. it is not only hurting the folks in the district here right now, but shamefully it is hurting our children which we are seeing now

because they cannot find good jobs here in connecticut. it is hard to do. we are not encouraging businesses to grow. i would argue that right now the economy is trending poorly over the long term. we need a sustainable healthy economy. we do that with responsible spending. making sure we focus to make our community safer. we need to secure our borders. we have approximately 500,000 illegal guns entering our country every year. my opponent is supporting government programs to give legal counsel to illegal immigrants. my opponent is using your taxpayer dollars to bring illegal immigrants and send them to different parts of the country. that is a problem. that is wrong. we need to secure our borders. >> your time is up. thank you very much. we appreciate. congresswoman hayes, your

rebuttal. >> talking about the cost-of-living and high prices, he does not bring up energy costs because when he had the opportunity to do something about one of the things that people in this district are talking about, he took a walk on that boat is a state senator. i guess it was too hard for him to make a decision on that. what i would like to do in order to make sure we are addressing our economy is talk about jobs, unemployment. we have the lowest unemployment rate. the investments we made during the pandemic have helped the united states to recover faster than any developing nation in the world. some of the things that i worked on his job training programs. you cannot have a job without childcare, without making permanent child tax credit. taking care of labor so that when we are distributing some of these contracts for these infrastructure projects, $5 billion i came back to the state that we are paying fair wages and people have jobs that they can feed their families and

live in this district. >> congresswoman hayes, thank you very much. the next question will be going to you. it will be about crime. >> hello. crime has been a big issue in your last campaign. mr. logan has brought it up again this year. in his campaign ads. he claims that you support an open southern border which led sin deadly drugs, guns and crime but the state office of policy and management faunal reports a short drop in all categories of crime in connecticut. violent crime has dropped 41% in the past 10 years. property crime 23%. the prison population is about 40% less than it was 10 years ago. it is crime a problem and if so, what can be done about it?

>> yes, according to your statistics, crime is down. for people in this state and statistics it does not matter. if they are affected in any way then that is their metric for evaluation. as far as what my opponent is saying about me on this issue, a lie does not care who tells it. as your congresswoman i voted abroad $15 million in funds to support law enforcement. one of the biggest investments ever. i have brought back community projects to upgrading improve communication systems in the police department new fairfield watertown brookfield police departments. brought hundreds of thousands of dollars back to our police athletic league's to build trust with community. this is a back and forth. this idea that we can incarcerate our way out of a crime problem is so incredibly flawed. we have to build trust with communities.

we have to make sure that not only are we supporting our law enforcement offices and giving them the tools training and resources that they need, but we are also making sure that accountability is there. i am the wife of a police officer. my husband has been on the job for 27 years. i am also the mother of three black sons. i want to make sure that my sons are not afraid of their encounters with police. that has to be part of the conversation. mr. logan has a lot to say on this. when he was a state senator and had the opportunity to vote to support the connecticut state police for hazard pay and raises in their salaries, he voted against it. he is introducing himself to this district and deciding who he wants you to believe he is. i offer you to fact check everything i'm saying. to look at his record and look at the fact that he voted against the connecticut state police when he had the chance so we can say whatever he wants. trying to convince you of something that you know not to be true. but i know how he voted.

>> mr. logan, you have one minute. >> very difficult bills that we had to bring. i support increasing. i am consistent in my support of it. it had to do with the process that democrats here should want when switching the bills before we actually put together a budget. the issue has more to do with the process issue, not my willingness to increase officers pay. we need to have responsible budgeting. the same budget that you are talking about in that year, we passed a bipartisan budget. i think i have done more for the state of connecticut as you have as a congresswoman. a bipartisan budget. we have instituted guardrails against spending caps. volatility cap and these things have allowed us to have multibillion-dollar surplus.

getting them to shore up our budget in terms of our pension debt. make sure that we are not doing as much spending as we were before. we have had a great success in terms of my time. we are seeing the results of that now. >> we appreciate. thank you so much. congresswoman hayes, would you like 30 seconds to respond? >> i am a history teacher. i taught civics. the first job of the legislature is to make the laws of past budget. the fact that you voted on a budget is not specific to your successes as a state legislature you remind me of the kid who is part of a group project and does not do anything but wants credit for the final grade. that is something that everyone did. our state is in the position that it is now because of the federal investment that have come back to the state time and time again for my time in congress. >> thank you. we do have a lot more to get to

tonight. the next question is about the border bill. >> mr. logan, immigration is a big issue in this upcoming election and it is important to the people in connecticut. you have mentioned immigration in the border many times while running for congress. would you have supported the border bill, the one that was proposed but never brought to the house floor and why? if it were to be reintroduced, no matter under which administration, would you support it and further, would you support a comprehensive immigration bill? >> i will start with the last part of your question. yes, i would absolutely support a comprehensive immigration bill we cannot do that until we secure our border. that senate bill, supported by my opponent, that would have brought in 1.8 million illegal immigrants.

we will move and transport illegal immigrants to all parts of the country. by goal is to fix illegal immigration. my goal is to fix. first we must have secure borders. we need someone who will be strong in terms of crime, in terms of illegal immigration. we can do that, but my opponent has shown no desire, no ability, no leadership in washington on the border bill. she has gone with the stick with her record along with the washington democrat leadership. we do not need that. we need someone that will speak independently. we need someone that will be a voice for you in washington. she comes down here and she goes into the community. once it is over she disappears. she is quiet and she just both in line with the democratic leadership. i will work in a bipartisan

basis and i will vote for bills that help our community. i will criticize any bill, any legislation that hurts of people regardless if it comes from the republican or democrat side of the aisle. my opponent has shown no ability to do that. the border bill, i am telling you there is a competing house bill that is out there as well. i am confident that with the right folks down in washington, if we had some true bipartisanship, we could make some gains. we cannot do that with the current congresswoman. she had almost six years to make a difference. she only made the situation worse. it is time for a change. why cannot washington just work together. i had a 97% bipartisan voting record. bringing it down to washington. >> your two minutes is up. how to go to congressman hayes for one minute. >> i want to make clear that i do not come back at election time because i live here and i'm here all the time. after the last campaign saying he would move to the district permanently. i guess he has not gotten around to that yet.

you look as a connecticut state senator. he never split without party. he voted with senate republicans all the time. so you can look at that if you would like. on the border, yes, we need to address our immigration system. we have a broken immigration system. people presented themselves at the border are doing it following the law. we need to do this in a humane way. i can tell you that, yes, i would support the bipartisan bill that was negotiated in the senate. the bill that they asked for. they said the most conservative republican center to negotiate this bill which would have had lessened processing time. increasing judges. donald trump telling them to vote against it in the bill was changed. >> congresswoman hayes, we appreciate your time. next, the question is for you. hurricane milton about to make landfall. the next question has to deal with the role of fema.

this is coming from you, dan. >> we are all hoping and praying for the better result as this latest hurricane hits. we are seeing an increasing number of weather crises especially flooding perhaps because of climate change. do you think that the fema response emergency management agency response by the administration has been adequate what do you think should happen differently if not and in the big picture, do you see connecticut which has had its own flooding in this very district being left out as the money runs out? should congress allocate more money. >> so, yes. one of the things that we did was for the first time in history address climate change for the problem that it is. and the infrastructure bill, we had money for mitigation, resilience, making sure we were

proactively dealing with all of these things. by the time fema comes in, a disaster has already happened. under donald trump's entire time as president he lessened or reduced the amount of funding that would go for disaster. people are talking about the money running out for fema. before we left for congress pushing funding. we knew that with the intensity and severity of storms we would need more money. republicans blocked it. voted against it every single one of them voted against it. did not want additional funding. i know that my opponent will bring this up. as your congresswoman my job is not to post on twitter or take pictures. it is to get people to help that they need. we had this a couple months ago. thanking me for being in constant contact with them and forgetting funding for them in

record time. i've continued to do that to come back to those places because that is what people need they need our legislators and lawmakers to do the job that they were elected to deal. i had already flown out. when i was flown in chicago, the president was on the ground. we worked in lightning speed to make sure that we brought a disaster declaration back to the state. the infrastructure fund already in place had already started to harden our bridges, our roads to make sure that it was not catastrophic. >> congresswoman hayes, thank you very much. we appreciate that the one minute for you, mr. logan for you to discuss fema. >> when you talk about taking pictures and posting on social

media, when we had the floods in august of this year, whether it is dan barry other areas, she went to chicago. she stayed in chicago for a political party. we talked about the leadership. we need true leadership where you can recognize. you are suffering. i met with people, i met with families to see firsthand what was going on. we need someone that will be a leader and understand they need you to be there. that is what we need you to do. my opponent, again, she is more concerned about satisfying the party leadership to put them over the people. she does that over and over again with her voting record. it is time for a change. we need someone to represent the people of the district. >> thank you. would you like to add 30 seconds

>> when it comes to storms and predicting storms, republicans want to get rid of the national weather service. at the very basic. when you want to talk about politicizing a storm, let's look at what the leader of your party is doing when people are actually dying. convincing them not to take fema funds. not to listen, trying to convince them that the administration is not coming to their aid when every republican governor is saying that they are talk about partisanship, it is on that side. >> we do have to stop you there. thank you. we want you both to sit tight for just a moment. we do have to take a quick commercial break. airing live on channel three continues right after this. welcome back to the primetime debate. george logan.

we have a number of other questions we want to get to tonight. our next question will be for mr. logan and it will be asked. >> mr. logan, congresswoman hayes has said tonight. this campaign and this election, both parties nationally put out messages. do you agree, what does that mean? >> i believe that the direction of our nation is absolutely at stake. do we want two more years or four more years of the failed policies from washington? people want to be able to afford to live and work in the district they want the borders to be secured. they want to make sure that we support our allies internationally. they want to make sure that everyone has the opportunity to work, to grow and to be happy in

our nation. right now, folks are very concerned. they see the liberal left, very left-leaning policies coming out of the washington leadership. really heading toward socialism. that is where the fear is when they make policies that continue to increase the cost of everything. driving up inflation. when they see the open borders. they see my opponent continuing to tell you over and over again that she is doing a good job. things are good. they are not as bad as they are. you see it with your own eyes. look at the results. we need folks in washington. we need those that will walk across the aisle and deliver. she has not delivered on all the things out are important to you. whether it is affordability, whether it is safety. the education system. we have issues here that need serious, serious attention.

focusing on what my opponent has i have gone into new britain. i have gone into meriden. i see what is happening. underreporting. that is why you are listening at all these statistics. you know what, if you do not report it, we can say that it is not happening. you will live in these communities. you know that these schools are more dangerous than before. he spends more time trying to keep himself out of fights and trouble than he does studying. that needs to change. >> thank you very much. you have 60 seconds to respond. >> you do not even want to go there with the public school system. first of all, for all of your talk, nothing that you said or done is bipartisan. you cannot even acknowledge when something literally as basic facts. no matter what side of the aisle you are on the political affiliation should be able to

agree that it should never have happened and it is a disqualifying factor. voting for the person that incited january 6. asking you to turn off your phone in your camera. voting for donald trump. mike johnson is a great leader. the person who authored the plan to overthrow and not certified the election. none of those things matter that he is talking about if we don't have free and fair elections in a peaceful power. i will not stand for that. i will not stand here and let mr. logan pretend that it is not an issue. >> would you like 30 seconds to respond? >> i condemn all forms of political violence including january 6. including the anti-somatic riots going on here and across the

world. including the assassination attempt on a former president. yes i condemn political violence we have an opportunity to change things. my opponent she just cannot help it. i have told you over and over again, i am here for you. >> thank you. >> i'm here to represent you and i will do that. >> we have a lot to get to tonight. the next question will be coming from suzanne. it is about all of the world conflicts happening right now. >> congresswoman hayes, i would like to know what you feel the united states role is when it comes to conflict specifically israel. a lot of people are on edge right now worried about what will happen in the middle east. what role does the united states play. when it comes to iran and more specifically nuclear weapons.

>> so, just like everyone else, i am heartbroken by what is happening. we want this conflict and that we are seeing right now in israel and gaza and now expanding into other countries. i do believe we have a responsibility to support our allies that are israel. however, what that support looks like matters. how they use that support matters. i think that families of the hostages who have said they want a negotiated cease-fire. they also want a release of all the hostages that have been held i would say moving forward we have to make sure that there is a bath towards these that give self-determination to the palestinians in gaza. the innocent people. >> netanyahu does not care about the hostages. >> please stop the clock. ....

we need to refrain speaking cheering or anything of the such. this is about the voters and there are lots of important topics to get to here. congresswoman hayes we apologize and we did stop the clock so you can begin again. >> i would say in addition to everything that i just said there are voters who were suffering right now because of what's happening in palestine and in gaza to innocent palestinians and that cannot be

overlooked either. that is something we have two makes sure that they are part of the conversation. i'm the only person on this stage who is acknowledged the suffering of the palestinian people and mr. logan has never even acknowledged that their people in the gaza strip that are suffering that have been displaced and children who are dying. that has to be a part of the solution. i understand that people are passionate about this issue but they have a reason and a right to be passionate about this. when we talk about our allies around the world is not just our allies in israel. i can tell you my republican colleagues held up the budget because they didn't want to support ukraine.

now is the time in our debate we are going to let the candidates ask the questions about each other. first we have each of you have two minutes to respond to this. so first over to you walz. >> thank you. it's important to protect our environment. make sure we have clean air, clean water, clean soil. i met my wife rhonda both working for the epa. making sure we have responsible environmental protections while making sure we grow the economy. it's important for future generations of this country. my question for you is for the last couple of months during this campaign, do you still

support aoc's green new deal? >> support components of it. i think it is very important that we transition to a clean economy. i think a lot of it was in the original green new deal was enveloped into that last big a budget bill that was passed through congress. there's not a lot radical about investing in public transportation. starting to grow our green economy. keeping our clean air and water safe for future generations. congressman, as you know project 2025 wants to get rid of the department of environmental protection. arius and new jersey are beautiful part of the state complete area and beautiful rivers and lakes are under attack. people want said in new jersey we could never clean up our state because it hurt the

economy. we been able to have cleaner air than ever before pre-cleaner water than ever before we protected the highlander water shed we continue to grow a green economy. i know we can do it. i believe in us part if is not for the incompetence and the nastiness, the divisiveness of our current congress, our current presidential nominee on the republican side i know we could build a clean atomic that would work for everyone. there is nothing radical about saving acreage and development. the something radical about building flood protection or clinton, or linden, in texas or something radical about making sure there's a one seat ride for every town in this district. when you were in state politics you supported chris christie who headed the arc tunnel would have been done by now. it would've been done more cheaply all this time commuters

have wasted ready for training with salvage. congressman, there's nothing radical about a sustainable solution for it that does not mean the gringos deal them and stop the bickering and the partisanship which paints aspect of agreement deal all awful things influencing another not. >> now you may also question. two minutes to respond. >> congressman, glad we did this i would like to do more. if you want to do another one, i'm always game it. we were in the states and that you voted against gay marriage while you were in the state senate. you voted down the minimum wage bill you voted to/retirement/ret benefits of law enforcement and teachers. just a few weeks ago the day he was convicted of felonies you endorsed donald trump. congressman, do you regret any

of these things any of the decision she made too or do you stand by them tonight? and i forgot one more, you also voted against planned parenthood in the codification of row in new jersey. so tell me, congressman, of all of these things i listed you regret any of them? >> as you know, i like many people republicans or democrats alike in 2012 and 13 change their night mind on marriage equality support marriage equality of voted for it in the state senate as well. the most important thing we can do i send down to washington d.c. find common ground and understand what's important in people's lives. my opponent has an extreme position but she is not to work across the aisle to find common ground she always will be in extreme progressive wing of the party. the reason there supporting me

too find common ground every single police union that's endorsed in this race endorsed me they understand the dangerous policies make the street less safe. we also know building trades, people working hard to grow this economy to build this economy are supporting me because they know susan altman is extreme and a policies iran for congress to sell proms for people. i fought to make sure below for the overall cost and also make sure acknowledges in four months we take office i was one of two republicans and two democrats found a common blueprint to keep the government open and congress congress. i have done that on many issues.

it will focus on finding the common ground. >> will go back to our panel over for the next round of questions. joey? >> congressman, you alone among new jersey's members of congress do not talk to reporters in the call halls of the capitol. you turn down a request for an interview from me on an in-depth interview on your beliefs. why is that? >> i respect the press i've had seven town halls we've make sure to reach thousands of decisions we go over the constituents want to meet with us whether it's senior town halls or citizens at school and town halls. you know this, joey from when we were in the legislature and people around the state no when

i am down in washington d.c. i make sure i'm on my constituents time making sure finding their solutions it's important to schedule that type of conversation. as you know i have spoken to tv and news. i've spoke to the record. i talked to local groups including including you. my focus is to make sure we have a direct conversation with our constituents on the ways they are best able. i also have weekly newsletter. >> joey? excuse me, sue altman. no, you go. >> congressman. by this time next week i will then seven town halls and seven counties and one extra one our

crown jewel university i knew will have zero in person town hall. every time we do one of these town halls, our organizing team goes out and recruit people who are undecided voters. we have meaningful conversations in these town halls they are unscripted. people are like to get up and we hand them a microphone they can ask me anything about the issues. they have been incredibly productive. they brought us closer together as a district. what is so clear people are so hungry for this conversation. could not hold town halls. to dodge to avoid your constituents that the dereliction of duty. i understand why you didn't have a cognitive decision to hold in your brain. your donors value elon musk values the extremists in your party. those values do not match the values of our district.

you are worried about having to explain yourself. congressman, i'm here to tell you your absence has great a vacuum and where filling with leadership. what you have done is disrespectful to the people of this district pick with the plague of the congressman respond. the vast majority people in this district prefers i come to them. telephone town halls, districts, meetings with communities they are going to go to the schools. were going to go to the veterans only go to the senior center when we are able to have those conversations in person work we can listen and learn the vast majority people in this district prefer that outreach and in person communication. >> joey? eric: a cornerstone of vice president harris campaign is to build homes nationwide as leucine in places like westfield

and other new development is not always warmly received. do support the vice president's plan in any of the 3 million homes should be built within the district? >> there is definitely a housing shortage. part of that comes from new york city. new york city is not kept up with this bargain housing at all. all of the extra need floods over into new jersey. before we can teach and pressure on trip if you can fix public transportation and we can preserve open space that is crucial for a group in the late '80s and early 90s in new jersey. i watched a beautiful beloved parks that i love get paved over and become shopping centers. we have to provide safe open space and public transportation. we can build walkable downtowns but we can build places like clinton and lambertville which are beautiful downtown. we could make them accessible to

people of all kinds. we can make sure we have enough housings are first-time home buyers can purchase homes and live in our community. it will make a stronger, richer as a state i am supportive of a plan to build housing on smart sustainable ways. >> tom kean? >> i think one who thanks it makes in jersey so specialty of three generations of people who live near each other. with the parents as well as the kids, it's unaffordable at every step of the spectrum. that's in part because of the increased spending, the increased costs that directly cost inflation. everybody's making that tough choices been getting the groceries, getting gas or home goods. the policies making this less and less affordable are driven

by sue altman allies were from the extreme left wing in the progressive parties. the ones she allies herself with. i oppose that costs. proximate to forge ahead in the interest of time so we get to as many as possible. congressman, gun control has not been on a top priority. if that were to ever change in the future congress, what level of restriction on firearms would you be comfortable supporting? >> on the state level i've got a record or i supported bump

stocks and also guns out of hands with people who do others harm partly to make sure, do support the second amendment. need to make sure with the policies of khobar schools essay ofsafety. a place to worship. we need those commonsense proposals. my opponent on the other hand supports politics like defending the police. the people in need for in thesee communities. the need to make nature to protect our communities. >> sue altman question. >> that was it an amazing ballerina pivot from guns of the border so well done sticking

that landing. congressman, you used having a rating or an f rating from the nra. some here somehow between 2017 that rating went up to an a+. in so many ways this issue to our young people is precisely why they do not trust the government it's precisely why they are frustrated with both parties. we have not been able to keep our children safe. we must put an assault weapon ban into cognizant of universal background checks we must have red flag laws we must do things that give law enforcement the tools they need to keep our communities safe. >> speaker johnson has the gavel there will be no legislation in congress to help get bad guns off our streets. congressman when you were in trenton you are no fayette and no friend of commonsense gun legislation ever see the

endorsement of multiple commonsense gun organizations and i will be a champion protecting our children and our students when i am in congress by getting dangerous guns off the street. >> are starting to run a little bit of runtime. fifteen seconds. >> to support joe biden we need to make sure we keep those out of the hands of gangs as well. my opponent has extreme position she was too deep in the police of her joints about cop killers out of jail. full narcotics legalization but think about how dangerous those policies would impact the family's as crime is increasing dramatically day after day in this district. >> are going to go to mike we have a one or two more questions. might come to you. >> 10 years ago your bloated voting with the rest of the

jersey to move to cashless bail as has that worked as you hoped it would? >> i think the intent was good in that regard. but there are newer forms that have to happen. right now, too many people are being let out of jail. there's one. [inaudible] the second thing to cap the street safe has been weakened by the administration. the fact they come up and try to make sure people under 18. waiting to make sure we have the capacity for funding for the cops. funding for the justice system

make sure people commit crimes face the consequences. >> sue altman? >> congress i'm sorry cannot let go of the last answer we said i wanted to legalize all drugs like heroin and fentanyl and stuff. that's a complete fabrication. i do not even know where that came from. i know you sent out or elon musk sent out a mailer claiming this. this is not a thing. it's a complete and utter lie. i'm disappointed in you, congressman and pre-do not the repeat the lies they tell younger point for every time use the word extremism. it's disappointing your resort to lies in this debate because it is unnecessary. what comes to belt reform i completely agree offender should not be getting off. that is obviously not a good idea. we need to keep our communities safe. we define our law enforcement and congressman i would appreciate if you do not blindly

tell lies about my record or my position. but she got to give tom kean 15 seconds to respond to that pic looks at the position of the working family party a couple years ago new work for them. >> they are not me and that is not my position parts.com that's not true. >> they took that position you did not oppose. you have changed your position. >> what you change your position on a police, on israel on other issues when she became a candidate. that's we see in you and you have to focus here is going to be consistent and support to get the bipartisan support that i have had every single police unit has endorsed me because they know she will not have their back. >> are going to have to end up there. we have to end up there with our panel. we have a run out of time here we try to covers many topics as possible. we want to get both of you type

your closing statement from her candidate. tom kean you are first year of nine 90 seconds. >> thank you, it's great to be with you. it's great to be with you tonight like to thank the voters in the panels for the questions on allowing us to talk about the issues that are important to people. i fought to keep government open. about to secure the southern border i set to support an israel and taiwan. my entire focus has been to make sure and find those solutions that keep america strong and energy independent once again. seems from my opponent is an extreme position. a political activist since 2019. she has positioned only once she

chose to run for office that she started to change her positions. like i have been before that in-state legislature and restoring the option. making sure we have lower overall taxes, to stop the out of control is driven by policies as supported urine in your out we continue to find the common ground for war values. thank you. thank you. >> sue altman over to you at your closing statements 90 seconds. >> congressman, what we have heard in last 90 minutes is nothing compared to what you have not accomplished in the last 23 years in politics. congressman, with your last name, with your family's legacy,

with the family's fortune you could have been a leader in congress. you could've stood up to trump's and you could not have voted for jim jordan pretty could have not voted for mike johnson. you could not have endorsed donald trump code we have a wonderful district. some of the highly educated districts in the entire country. i it's a beautiful place of smart engage people who believe in government. who believe in institutions. who believe in the rule of law. over the trump election. but congressman. if not stripped most extremist elements of your party you have not stood up to them because to paraphrase it is very hard to stand up against someone who is funding her campaign. elon musk funds your campaign. the national republicans fund your campaign. in contrast with us, we knocked thousands and thousands of doors

every day we are out organizing you. our campaign is a campaign of the people in for the people. so what i get to congress i'm not going to be represented. am i going to be accountable to a political party or corporate donors because i do not take ascent of corporate tax money. i will be accountable to the people of new jersey seven it's the taxpayers who we work for. if the taxpayers and citizens of this district you have ignored for too long. thank you. >> our time is upright that concludes new jersey debate night. after a very quick to break our panel's going to come back with our candidates tom kean and suek altman but tnk you for your time and your responses. >> ourspan2 live coverage campaign 2024 contieshis evening with a republican vice presidential nominee senator jd vance. as part of the mom vote at town hall hosted by mobs for america and lafayette hill, pennsylvania but watch live