you. our campaign is a campaign of the people in for the people. so what i get to congress i'm not going to be represented. am i going to be accountable to a political party or corporate donors because i do not take ascent of corporate tax money. i will be accountable to the people of new jersey seven it's the taxpayers who we work for. if the taxpayers and citizens of this district you have ignored for too long. thank you. >> our time is upright that concludes new jersey debate night. after a very quick to break our panel's going to come back with our candidates tom kean and suek altman but tnk you for your time and your responses. >> ourspan2 live coverage campaign 2024 contieshis evening with a republican vice presidential nominee senator jd vance. as part of the mom vote at town hall hosted by mobs for america and lafayette hill, pennsylvania but watch live starting at

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negative. 62% city campaign is not focus on important policy debates. 37% of those polls and going to th nt graphic. 37% say it ioced. 79% say it does not make me feel proud. 68% about her say the camp it is interesting.gn while 30% say is adult. do you agree or disagree with any of these numbers? 14% of voters since claire is going to win. 46% say it's not yet clear your thoughts on the tone of the campaign and possible outcome. the vice president and erie, pennsylvania the enemy within.

>> he is talking about the enemy within pennsylvania. please talk about the enemy within our countryth pennsylvan. he is talking about he considers anyone who does not support him or who will not bend to his will, an enemy of our country. it is a serious issue he is saying, he is saying he would use the military to go after them. think about this. and we know who he would target. because he has attacked them before. journalist two stories he does not like. election officials who refused to cheat by stealing extra votes

and fighting extra votes for him. judges insist on following the law instead of bending to his will. this is among the reasons i believe so strongly a second trump term would be a huge risk for america. [cheering][ donald trump, donald trump is increasingly unstable and unhinged. he's out for unchecked power. that is what he is looking for. >> vice president erie, pennsylvania yesterday reading e

guardian was there right up on the vice president remarks yesterday harris called trump a risk for america after former president enemy within the guardians reporting trump referred to democratic components as the enemy within. on foreign foes and targeted adam schiff a democratic congressman who is running for the u.s. senate in california. the front page of the "new york times" similar story relative to this conversation. this is the front pageth of the "new york times," some believed in trump without believing him. doubting he will carry out dark threats. that is the front page of the "new york times" this morning. we are asking you this morning, what you think about the tone of this campaign? do you believe the former

president when he says what he says? deborah in florida, excuse me, trump fan, deborah let's go to you. coexist, good morning. clark's good morning. because said do believe he's going to carry out. he has strong, has good policies, he puts in place good people. when he does listen. i do not believe the things that our democratic party are chanting, are real. there is not logical. we need more safety. we people in charge you know what they're doing. you don't put someone in charge, i run the hospital at cape canaveral. i'm not putting people in charge of those that don't know the job themselves. very disappointing what is going on. trump will carry through.

>> what do you want him to carry through on, deborah? what are you referring to? eric: how about safety? how about good schools? how about getting her prices down? how about all of the things that our forefathers came here to do? are not pull on people's weaknesses. let's focus on their strengths. we do not need 30 handicap spots at home depot. we need to be able to get people moving again. let's bring the morale. >> you believe is going to follow through on his policy agenda.be do you think this campaign is too negative? and does the former president bear some responsibility for that? >> or we talk about the present that in there today that has dementia we were lied to over four years that he couldn't follow through. or are you speaking of someone in the future that has proven

for four years? >> all right deborah there in florida. ♪ c-span is your unfiltered view of government. we are funded by these television companies and more. including media come. nytime, anywhere. >> "washington journal" continues. host: marc goldwein at the table, the >> senior vice president and

director first puzzle federal budget here to talk about canada's tax and spending plan predict is talk about the terrace first and is right policies mulligan to what each of the candidates has said the r president was to impose eightht tennis 20 percent tariff on imports from all countries is 8s from china. in the vice president said she was the implement targeted tariff to support americans workers union talk a bit about each plan. >> in short, and so this backup for a second it for 60s years is united states has been reducing tariffs to the point where president trump took officers barely any and he since implemented that in his return mainly in china uncertain credit goods washing machines for example, vice president kamala harris mosley ironically was to keep that trump terrace basically that's her placing the first printed president trump

was to dramatically expand them in a second term and he talked about ten ored 20 percent is gog tariff,as and 60 percent tariffn china, tongue about patel torrey intensity country that doesn't hundred on automobiles and we've heard him say, 50 — a 1000, a lot of numbers has been turn on you cannot take each of these at the guests a policy printed but you speak original direction which is that it was therese rada and a lot of revenue from the tariffs and taxes on imports. >> i was reminiscing that will be guesstimated for that 10 percent tariff plus a 60 percent on china was retaliatory, tunafish $3 trillion over a decade, this not enough to balance the budget thing that schmidt is many ending when you're talking about the dollars, to key source of revenue the budget plan. >> would be the next make a lot of them to look at the sort of it to major economic impact of tariff both negative and the first is that you post tariff comingng increase the prices for

the market buyers and reduce the amount by so that reduces gdp for the consumptions for the second one is that we know that winning implement them front of the country they pose tariffs on american companies and so that parts are selling as well. sont the folks tax foundation lk at this they will reduce the upper five weather one half percent pretty good be last of the tariffs are smooth but there could be a lot more because it's a trade war in this chaos. >> what is it then to come to the revenue. >> well so we look at this as i said kind of our first-order 10 percent tariff and 60 percent on china, were talking present 2.7 trillion of revenue, but if it also reduces up about 1 percent, then we lose income taxes taxes i will need only revenue but we think that he's a 2.7 down to two so he 71 quarter of revenue gain. >> he said that the vice president wants to even the former president it did is first

administration on tariffs and how much revenue did not bring you in. >> that would bring in everythinges like, $400 billionn the same timeframe about 40 billion a year and the vice president was exactly the same terms, that is based on that she talking about from there is fanatically the same place that we were in 2020 when president trump laptop estimate what is due to our depths and deficits when the terrace when increased trump administration where was the number that. >> going think that the general rule is that small taxes small economic impact the big impacts and beginning economic impact of the service well typically modest we sawiv increases in prices like washers and dryers. we think we saw some reduction in the gross rated gp and assessments like 0.2 percent and 0.3 percent but when they are small, it is hard to separate was going on there pros

happening with trump tax cuts and during covid-19 and allt: sorts of things me back so is near national debts to know what is been the biggest driver of the date in recent decades. >> so i like to the, think about it if you are in a lot of income, there's a big mortgage itit you don't remote you can afford a big mortgage think the united states we can afford up, based on the size of our economy and c historically, is been abot half of the size of the economy today, it's as large as the economy community 9 percent within a few years, we will be at a record level and it was 10e there and we are headed to be passed that within three years, then if you look over time, just when he pricing theov main reasn is itp will keep rising as we have some very expensive health retirement programs and social security medicare and medicaid, your costs keepen going up as me people retire in healthcare

costs rise of meanwhile tax revenue that is coming in, is flat in some ways, it has been declining because of years politicians committed and they cut taxes another 2017, tax cut during the trump administration what impacted that have an revenue. >> it's of 20177 tax cuts, we could incorporate coming up to 21 percent from 35, we can all the individual rights, we expanded child tax credits, and houses about $2 trillion over a decade pretty thing is tax cuts, artwork temporary was that $2 trillion overnight year and ending at the 2025. if we were to the extent those expire provisions we would be another $4 trillion for 2035. >> and what impact is that had that. >> is a sentiment is if you $2 trillion to the tax cuts, that's more to the depth every to another 4 trillion this another fortunately know the depth and in fact, feeling the

candidates and five points most vice president kamala harris and president trump you to reason both are predicting to add to that is they went to the extent large parts of the tax cuts be necklace to get into what they have proposed this is from the former presence campaignxtent reisman the 27th income tax cut that you just talk about lower the corporate tax rates from 21 percen of the 15 percent, and the minute federal income tax on social security income and eliminate taxes on overtime pay and talk about those see when they were all there and a very expensive so president trump started out i thank you so you mentioned to come up with calling for you and extension of the tax cuts and that by itself is $4 trillion. but any we got in this phase of the campaign trail maybe it every valley promising a new tax cut from the taxes on tips or taxes on the taxes on social security no cap on the sea level tax of his tax cuts 50 percent corporate nonprofit corporations but corporations domestically

pretty that he wants to more spendingth and tax perspective, this is trillions of dollars of tax cuts and about eight — $9 trillion tax cut is no led to the deficit winning some case in the full significant we can social securitynows taxes on social security benefits actual help fund thee social security care programs and similarly from theaxes on overtime. taxes on tips, we hope to fund social security is with the president's agenda for it to be neck and evoke not only what he had a lot to the debt monday with significant short in the life of the social security and medicare fun scenic and the like right now, is a right. >> also social security is projected to run out of money nine years that's when it will run out ofex reserves and president trump's might be a percent in years let's look at the vice presidentit tax proposl is no tax hikes and individuals making less than 400,000, eliminatin income tax on tips

and raise the corporate tax rate from 21 to 20 percent raise top capitol gains rates from 20 to 20 percent, and positive taxes on unrealized capitol gains with 100 million or more. and what with us do pretty. >> and so, vice president kamala harris overall tax that i thank you so first of all, she appears to want to be extent large parts of the trump tax not all of them come about for the 90 percent of americans making less than $400,000, to peers want to extend $320 that most of the transplant outside is expanding tax credits and the child tax credit right now is $2000 she was up to 3000 and present to them for, newborns up to 6000, she was we spent the earned income tax credit with a new $25,000 first-time homebuyer tax credit management you know taxes on tips, these are couple more trillion dollars worth revenue loss, on the flipside, she's a

brace almost all of the tax president biden's budget in the space about higher corporate tax rate coming international tax reforms and taxing corporations on the businesses, higher taxes of individuals especially focused on capitol gains rate, is when it was not all tax but is attacks on wealthy americans on the unrealized gains of their income so it looks like what tax and so overall cooler taxes generally us much higher taxes on the m rich and corporations that pay for much lower taxes on some elements of the middle class and lower income. >> and those actually pay foro it.y >> if you were to remove with the extension of the tax cuts, just about and something new looking vice president here's agenda in total, we don't think it adds up and when you can't register tax cuts but also her spending increases, we think that the tax increases all about three have trillion dollars short when we look at the plan as a whole, our base case by the

way there's a lot of uncertainty because this is campaign income about legislative language but whenen we look at what she thins she sang with a plan would add about three have trillion dollars to the upper decade the president trump splendid at about seven actually into the depth of that same time when he said he was doing. >> i'm spending of the whole blood and so we talked to begin some going to cuts much weight. you never going to see the government more efficient missed really short and he cities want to make it department of education that takes money and about some prescription drug removed it from his website and is talk about getting the lottery and experts and spending will savings their that is talked about race and we know from the past but just me actually does have some plans with reduced fraudulent payments whether better information reporting heading up the loopholes but is now to a lot in

fact on what wants dues increase pretty was with priestley in the cancer clinic higher pay for troops including iron don't like his real house and a united states really talk about more money for t immigration and this like that. ceiling president trump's overall agenda, spending increases and cuts really is mostly attacks agenda mostly tax tariff agenda smith markel point is here to take your questions and comments on the candidates tax and spending proposal dialing now enjoying the conversation, republican latest (202)748-8001, democrats (202)748-8000 and independence, (202)748-8002 and you can text plea for things in the essay, and 2027.8003 and mark, with each of them about on social security medicare savings this programs smith getting into the

can't access and 40 social security going nine years on assault was in with i that wheni got have enough money thrust to benefits has become across-the-board we have to make that after 21 percent benefit cut from signal couple retiring that you're from that be $16500 neither candidate has a plan to stop that predict president trump and actually make it worsening would make it worse by increasing social security benefits by reducing coming in the taxation social security benefits a lot goes intoo the social security trust fund me think various payroll taxes and even also harris would increase inflation higher inflation would lead to higher cost-of-living adjustment that would increase the cost of the program both candidates especially president trump when restricting immigration president trump with his significant deportation also that would hurt social security so revealing the trump tina kenny weasley hasn't hurt social security to invest in general they pay taxes some of the legally and something illegally

and just you think social security number the money actually goes into the trust funds to pay benefits and so if you would deport, for 8 million people. a million people from coming income of it actually reduces our payroll tax collection in advance the insolvency social security in south president trump's agenda as a whole, were still working on the outcome of that instead of 2033 might be talked about 322031 for insolvency he would actually weaken the trust fund pretty vice president kamala harris start vaguely that while the rich pay their fair share she put forth no plan to actually save social security. no funds a a seamless endorsingt 90 or so neither one talked about so security when he comes medicare, mcinnes 20 reduce the cost of prescription drugs removed it from his website and plant vice president kamala

harris is talk about three fastr negotiations so we are currently negotiating the price of some drugs and of the inflation reduction act to us was anymore to get generic drugs and things like that. she's also talked about expanding medicare and vision and hearing and covering nursing care for people who are at home and that will cost extra money freighted subnet vice president kamala harris talked about things about saving money president trump really doesn't have anything in his agenda right there when he comes to the care. >> how have previous presidents done what are they done if anything i medicare what is happening with medicare the cost just keep going up and up. >> some inches social security only nine years from his insolvency medicare is been much better shape at 12 years is a look at sarcastic right in trouble for medicare as well and the interesting thing is that the left last three presidents

or four presidents, actually maybe i could go back the last six presidents, alex we can plans to reduce health of medicare is been a lot of overlap between them. so president trump's first term presidentin obama agreed his office is the same thing here agree as did president biden reduce prescription drug prices and medicare part d is paid and there is broad agreement that we pay too much for medicare sometimes more efficient medicare costs us more and there's a lot of agreement that were overpaid providers whether it's care so it's interesting there's actually a lotme of agreement and help solveto medicare but is democrats and republicans propose separately the same thing as to where to actually come together was initially agreed on this and just solve this problem we do a tremendous medicare decree this book the policies both sides already agreed to put them into

law. >> this take questions and comments virginia nicole europe first. >> excellent to talk morning. actually your focus on the spending side. and can you comment on the revenue generation site ine particular heard donald trump say that it is going to go drill and so how realistic is that in generating or compensating for this many plant and also if could do an analysis on kamala harris but i would also add when the point in terms of foreign policy, hand in terms of how the city foreign policy positions may help to pay generate revenue or less spending to compensate for their plans. amy: the things i would appreciate it. >> short so as i mentioned about both candidates want to cut a lot of taxes about also propose raising a lot of taxes president trump made the terrace vice president kamala harris taxes on corporations and higher earners

and you mentioned early for that oil this president trump talks about a lot to do more drilling of writing which i put in the same kind of category that can help elevate gdp can also generate revenue another thanks for the u.s. government but were talking pennies on the dollar as well with the payroll tax income payroll tax most of the revenues generated most of the author privately owned privately owned or refined at least. so be looking at sea like alaska that's really oil-rich and very few people in the be sure the revenue in the united states at large sniffs never going to make up in our chair of the hope to make an aid to foreign countries to getting to foreign spent about 1 percent of our budget and get military the 2 percent of our budget on for date a lot of that is for stuff that we actually need domestically as well a lot of it is from the producers but the semi cut that in half.

you know were talking about a couple of hundred billion dollars in savings over a decade so nothing few hundred billion from this appointed taser situation we shouldn't scrutinize we should scrutinize every area in the budget, is incredibly upsettingng for taxpayers right so the federal government is wasting money several going to do the tough things likeg say, income tax hs to go up, or social security benefits watching better be going hard after this we should not expect this big solutions are going to be such a small share of the budget. >> in the big solutions were to be whathe big solutions are goig to be social security, medicare, medicaid revenue. just because those are the biggest boston since iss also very l large pot not going as ft but we got a look there as well and there's no think that we don't have tons of waste in our defense budget printed have audits some of those events a. >> that's right law says, there's supposed to get an audit and they have not successfully done when h you select the

republican. >> yes, so two topics in my guess like biggest explanation on one is how can you have a import tax, and not have inflation and it seems to me that if you raise the price of the goods that come into the country come he will raise the price to the consumer. and that will cause inflation again. in the other topics as immigration topic it and don't understand how we can deport millions of people who are contributing to the revenue thee country, and not affect the economy some of those issues are really important to me snap okay when she hang up and listen and mark will respond. >> okay jessie, you are exactly right, we've done the analysis of both the import taxes and

tariffs and immigration printed he comes to the importt tariffs, the size, they aren't likely to increase inflation maybe not permanently inflation but at least one time use and price if they don't, they will be real because because exchange rates e adjusted substantially the federal reserve has stepped in as it were so concerned with the patient were going to keep the interest rates higher maybe recent higher and that is of increasing inflation, it won't reduce output so there's no kind of way of residency that those tariffs will increase prices or w reduce output and pushes every thing else will equalizing when it comes towi ration, we both candidates plans we looked atyz you know they boh wanted restrictive ration asre i went vice president kamala harris mainly like strengthening the border security president trump will go a lot farther into port in the process revenue is me the vice president kamala harris's plan and basecase will lose about $100 billion over a decade and president trump's

about 350 billion this aboutut e higher, 200 billion and on the high-end estimate and could be lower depending upon who supported the main reason is because immigrants pay taxes and so if there are people here, we would get less tax revenue. >> my taxes on the bank. >> bring all of the taxes the memphis but not all of them if you're working the table? but many immigrants are either once or here to get a legal staff so that they can work where they have stolen semi social security number or made one up with most common 100-00-0000 right and so sometimes just don't check the personal me tell you a lot of social benefits because there have been billions of dollars or maybe billions of dollars in taxes paid under that social security number so receiving tax revenue and tax revenue and when he comes to the federal finances, our net gain finances

and is not necessarily to the state and local level because of itsts alo end up in the schools and hospitals and etc. and the federal level immigrants new immigrants especially are a big net gain to our finances at the state level what taxes are they think maybe the same taxes plus sales tax and salable level there also collecting more government services and there's not a lot of federal services that actually they oh two pretty undocumented illegal immigrant, but they're lot of state and local services that gillaspie not mussolini didn't temper talking about million tax proposal by the presidential candidates, you promise questions max i'm curious about this immigration thing is exploded three and half years ago is been running absolutely wild. and there receiving debit cards and free medical songs are here their issued lodging and the

receiving drivers licenses which will actually double as 90. which very likely be used for voting.us let's face it, it was all by design. the same is with the oil you know, the ruling somebody biden took office in the big push selectric in cars lithium is all about china. we are in a real turmoil here and i don't think there is a very good number ass far as this explanation the i immigration ad revenues versus cost. >> when if you agree with the numbers to. >> why are you skeptical. >> will millions of people coming in here right. in the schools are flooded. >> okay mark soon and so, the school flooded visible great

place to start because that's a local expenditure is the money. insisted a little bit with formula like federal money necessarily doesn't with them have looked at this and congressional budget office look at it right, huge surge of immigration in recent years and his wife i think that candidates have put in some big part of the pipework about stemming when case movers think that surgeon. one focus on is the economic and fiscal analysis of the federal level low we find is that we'll have a cost and does not make it right or wrong like there is a lot of questions we need to answer about what is the best immigration policy. but it's important to know the numbers behind it that's what we are estimating. >> let's talk a bit about childcare because both candidates are addressing that issue. in the proposals as well as the president suggesting tariffs can help fund the rising childcare costs and then the vice president proposing raising a child tax credit to as much as 3600 to the families of newborn

and 6000 you've addressed that before the west the impact you hear how the pay rising childcare cost. >> you said to be honest, not clear would president trump's childcare plan what it is. the terrace of course toil help find one but we've not seen what it would be funding when he was in office before, he did proposing some unpaid leave and he did not really close anything on childcare. vice president kamala harris has at least alluded to in a way that we take serious as a policy, and childcare plan that was by congress a couple of years ago build back better in the planet would create subsidies and up the income spectrum and she said she would check tech tech sit 7 percent energy coming out for some people 7 percent of the income is the legislation of reference, because often a very high income is lower income this could be really expensive government sent program and thisa would be talking about $500 billion.

or more, just to find this childcare program is not how it would work in practice and when it is something likee universal preschool, in a state and local governments, they know how to do it they have the elementary schools many of them actually have preschool and so it is just about bigger buildings and more teachers. childcare this big subsidy system is creating holding up infrastructure i think it would be a terminus challenge, to get rolling but again what she has said that she was the captain childcare costs at 7 percent. >> motive succulent democratic ultimate good morning to you. >> good morning, this is also like that i would like to ask you one question. this is about donald trump. i want him to answer this question,de president of what. >> you making a he is the former

resident. >> yes, he just keep calling him the president. i want him to answer the question president of what. >> okay i'm happy to do that is sort of our conventional that when somebody has been a president, senator when bass or raining position, we use that for them sometimes ther first time i will say, over but that will shorten it to the present and i would do that for any former official. >> let's talk about that trump ministration and her serve, when did he do on the debt and what was the impact of the spending and the tax policies during that first four years. >> yes so we actually estimated this happy to talk about president biden as well president trump during his four years in office, signed into law legislation executive action, that had a combined $8 trillion over a decade to the national that about 2 trillion of them was a text as we talk about is another roughly 2 trillion

bipartisan spending increases on defense and non-defense another areas.s. >> is in covid-19 many. >> that was before covid-19 so talking about ever fortunately of dollars before covid-19. those were ordinary spending and you think well, tax cuts and you cut them and then you cut the spending that's not what happened unit 2017, we cut the taxes by $2 trillion in 2018 then we increase in spending by almost as much over the course of two legislation in 2018 and 2019 what weather. >> bipartisan budget act 2018 and be similar named bipartisan arc in 20 is kind of a funny story, they do, the defense wanted $45 billion a year. president obama's that okay, we'll give them 45 billion it to the department of defense and nautica 35 billion that was negotiating point and working from is a republican 45 and 45 press 13035, is how the ended up

getting any five and 70 on the kept hitting bidding each other and then when you put that over ten years, that is a lot of money. ... it has increased dramaticall. then covid came along. president trump did not necessarily what anything. want anything. ultimately they bid this thing f up to beat one or $50 billion. plus more than anyone had asked for is my point. president trump signed more into lund on defense than president obama had asked for a nondefense by about double. so we had a 4 trillion-dollar plus before covid. and then covid came along and suddenly is on was unanimous support for paycheck protection program for businesses. checks, you name it.

that was another almost $4 trillion that brings to 8 trillion president trump added to the debt are quick to stop at the by. >> president biden did not add quite as much of the debt. more than the 5 trillion-dollar area. but still pretty substantial for a nappr trillion dollars or so added to the debt. he came in with the american rescue plan which is covid t relief. most of us were looking at the numbers and saying maybe we need a few billion dollars more not to trillion. you have the bipartisan infrastructure not paid forur ts artist paid for but it wasn't. when the chips and science act not paid for at all. huge extension of veterans others deep on the fence in nondefensive. partially offsetting had the did put caps on events in nondefensive. he went all this up and i forgot to mention executive actions around student debt. we would all this up or talking

for neptune dollars is from president biden. >> scheele in massachusettssheis republican. >> give me a couple of seconds or minutes here. the question i would like to nosy of something like 10 million new arrivals here at cost $3000 a month from the federal government, ngos whoever. it is our money they are getting paid $3000 a month times 10 million people, and that up in times 12. where is that money coming from? that is cash right now the budget. secondly, why is also social security and medicaid going broke you never hear about food stamps or anything else going broke. why don't we cut down on the surplus that's given to the government for the junkets overseas and experts they get for congress.

when they use more money for their expenditures. >> hang on the line i'm going to have mark respond to you by then we will come back and get your thoughts. >> is a few different questions there. i am not sure what 3000 a month refers to possibly that's a local many possibly some of that is federal money. we look not at the federal level what we find is that on net to the average immigrant is paying more in taxes whether legally or otherwise than they are collecting federal benefits. talk about social security and medicare going broke. the three big ones are social security, medicare for hospital insurance and highways. those are self s financing programs highways and will be fully paid for the gas tax. the issue is the payroll tax are falling short. all of them are running out of

money. as forut food since the cost of food stamps has gone up dramatically. in fact one of the items said president biden add to the debt mr. executive action he increased the cost of food stamp. takers how much was given there's no question there is costof there in savings to be h. similarly cost and savings to be had. but the big money is in the trust fund programs. there's a much larger than anything you're talking about. quickly save big money, money for foreign aid. 1% of the federal budget. what percentage of the budget are we talking about versus the percentage of the budget for big spenders? because it's about one fifth and medicare is 16. if i took social security and medicare, medicaid and other healthcare were talking cap the budget. half the budget for health and retirementge programs.

and again the growing rapidly. and so the defense is quite large. these are large and growing rapidly progress sheila was go back to you. what you think about this? you want to see savings are single digit percentage of the budget. for the other programs, add them up together there almost 50% of the budget. >> as we know it's a penny here in h the penny there. it adds up to a lot of pennies in the end. this immigration thing is got th stop. supporting 10 million immigrants to the tune of $3000 a month. no matter where that money come from we are paying for it one way or another. it's wrong, i never got an extra $3000 a month. it's costing me almost $2000

year to support myself. i cannot recoup that money. courts will take your point. >> i agree with penny here, penny there. so what we need to do, we have a debt approaching record levels part interest costs are larger than defense for their larger than medicare. interests are second-largest government program. we have trust funds running out of money. we need a whole of government approach where we take it serious look will be lower the cost of healthcare. hopefully mostly by actually lowering the cost not cutting benefits of finding ways you morein for less. we make social security solvent to look at the tax go to sponsor a tax break is unfair. a lot of it will be penny here penny there too i grew that approach. we start the waste how the american people going to accept the bigger changes if they still see waste?

what are our interest rates where the third-biggest driver? next two reasons interest costs are really low. background 2020. and they have exploded. we spent about $900 billion on interest and that is for two reasons of versus interest rates have gone way out. the federal government is paying higher interest rate dissecting us we are paying interest on a lot more debt. the debt has really exploded. higher rates on higher debt interest payments are in the rest of the budget alive. >> who are paying this money to? >> a lot of opening to americans but a lot of that were paying to not very friendly countries. our largest foreign debt holder is china. a lot of this is held abroad. domestically is americans are giving money to the federal government in the form of buying bonds is that investing in the private sector they do not invest in private sector that

means less machinery, less factories left less software at less inventions over time that slows economicr growth and stifles income. democratic color. >> yes pretty want to ask your guests what are the benefits of the local level i came here as an immigrant and i could not get any benefit from the government. at the state and federal level. you should specify the benefits. i also have three people in my house who have fileded for asylm have to pay out-of-pocket for them without them having social security. as question number one question

number two isn't it true is inflation is a result of high demand and low supply? i'd employment rate is so low. people get jobs and make more money. even if you go to the stores the stores j are packed up with peoe buying more. the increasing prices vertically have to make bolt lost their job is trump is claiming inflation people have to love their jobs. so demand could decrease the depends on the state it's very expensive provided in those areas. as for causes inflation usually

is demand. that's a lot of what we saw and 2021 and 2022 but we had a huge surge in demand driven by things like the american rescue plan and supply it was not there yet. we have the big joblessness and other supply chain chaos from covid. now inflation is finally coming down. it's not at the federal reserve 2% target but we are approaching there. both candidates risk reigniting inflation. by adding to the deficit that reboots that demand and does not create enough new supply to equalize it out. >> let's go to rosemary in new jersey, independent good morning to you. >> hi, how are you. something that other that bothered me is that detrimental

to the taxpayer because we end up paying their salaries? i could never understand that. you can explain that to me? >> sure, job numbers are estimated by an independent agency by the bureau of labor statistics at the count all jobs in the economy including federal jobs, couldn't state local jobs. that's important for statistical purposes. what we want to understand is how when people are working and how many people are not working? what it does not tell us is a fiscal impact. you are right that if we were to sayer there's a huge surge in federalrg employment the big cot the taxpayer weou should know tt there's different sets of numbers. there's one facet focus on the overall number of jobs in the economy that sent mainly because of federal workers if they have federal workers a bit of lower cost.

how much should be saved by eliminating the affordable care act?by >> , the affordable care act is a lot of different things. had taxes and at had medicare cuts in it. you are talking not just eliminating the spending associated with the subsidies. expanded medicaid and most in most statesand provided incod subsidies for people who do not have employer-provided insurance have to 40% they expanded that temporarily. this probably a trillion dollars over a decade if you were to eliminate that. it might be a little bit more now. that would be real money for, through consequences. they tried to do that during president trump's first term of the famous john mccain thumbs down. they fell short. their plan back then was not too eliminated it was to repeal and replace as you need to consider is nope little upset how much is the replace going to cost?

we could save money in all areas of government there's a tremendous amount of waste, the subsidies are not purposely did not at the legislation right in 2009 but i would not expect that is going to save her deficit by itself a very. >> for our viewers learn more go to cr fb.org that's the committee for a responsible federal budget. mark thank you for the conversation we appreciated. accents wer having. >> ohio republican vice presidentominee jd mance is participatin this easing in the town hall hoste by momsor america and lafayette hill pennsylvania. could be streamed live on the free mobile app c-span now. and online@c-span.org. soive at 8:00 p.m. eastern texas rubcan senator ted cruz ais democratic challenger congressman face off in a debate to repse texas in the u.s. senate hosted by wf

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along with these other television providers giving you a front row seat to democracy. turning up this morning robert varmint well out with a new pbs frontline documentary a year of war israelis and palestinians. why did you want to make the documentary? >> i've been covering the war in ukraine and i was actually in ukraine on october the seventh. a lot of the news call they ran straight away. trying to get to israel as soon as possible. i was sitting there, remaining there to make a documentary. i was horrified by theak violen. i thought it would be very important to come back to make a film following what happened on

october 7. obviously, by the time i i finished my film in ukraine and managed to israel this shift in the international media focus understandably had gone toward what was going on inside gaza with the war. a neat response to the israelis october 7. so it felt important both israelis and palestinians, those caught up in the violence. i wanted to hear their perspectives and look at how the events of october 7 had those that g followed in the war in ga had change perceptions of israelis and palestinians about each other. and so i wanted to convey these ordinary people, ordinary palestinians obvious have political opinions of some kind.

they were moderates and people that i felt, i wanted to essentially humanize the victims. to find people on both sides for the viewer of the documentary their own political perspective. i wanted to come w across human victims ordinary people for the viewer to relate to them to see the humanity of each side. that was very important for me too get across to humanity. tends to dehumanize. to catch these news clips that don't bring out who these people aret . what they've gone through, but they're really feeling and

thinking. as a documentary maker that was my aim ambition. >> frontline year of war israelis and palestinians premieres tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern on pbs. it will be available to stream on frontline's website, youtube and on the pbs video app as well. given this is an ongoing conflict, how is it that you were able to find the people that you spoke to? what was that like to go into gaza, israel and talk to them? 2008, 2009. but for this trip i was expecting to go. there is no free and vetted access inside gaza. so while he waited for another opportunity to to go and visit and speak to people ourselves april of this year that was not

going to be possible. we already started working with a carefully vetted team journals, producers gathering footage. when it became clear i could not go on the ground myself it then became imperative that we asked that team to go meet some people we've been following social media accounts. the idea was to find a small group in this particular instance that have been filming themselves and their experiences. and had gone through a great deal personally what they had experienced we felt we had one

young woman. she had to go through tremendous experience not quite known whether to leave her home at the beginning when the israeli army had worn people to leave. we were then looking at her family as a young photographer he is from jim ball yet from northern gaza. he had been filming quite a lot about his own experience of the war who is the head of surgery at the indonesia hospital. the hospital in northern gaza. we had found these contributors were some footage by others of

them. oncece the week vetted who they were they were basically people we felt we could include in the film. food asked the team on the ground to meet them to gather more footage to compile a visual look of their expense at the war. we had to do these interviews remotely they guard the young woman who is 23 years old. abraham is the later 20s. we did interviews remotely with them in gaza as a doctor had a very interesting story. they're in syria vote where he lives. we found him ourselves for insight israel i was able to go there myself and to film all the

contributors that we had identified for the film.il >> are doing to show a couple clipss here is a clip talking about her family being displaced 15 times. [inaudible] [inaudible] ♪ ♪ ♪ [speaking national language].

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[speaking native language] collected what do you hope viewers of this documentary gain or get from listening to her story and the others? >> well, i think i would like people to try to understand different perspectives of those caught up in the violence appeared they've changed some of the contributors we filmed. october 7 we have to remember was the deadliest for israelis in their country's history. triggered persecution and holocaust from the past. that has deeply impacted israelis in their view of the future. and in some respects those people who were living in the

communities attacked by hamas on october the seventh were people who were more likely to be in favor of the two state solution. our peace with the palestinians. in the case of one of the characters but is deeply impacted her when she was in favor of a two state solution. she is now reluctant and worried the two state solution could a one states thinking about and annihilating another. i think it is important that viewers listen to people from both palestinians and israelis caught up in the violence. i was late those perspectives will shape thee future. we should add by the way that also for palestinians this is obviously been the worst year in

their history and 40000 dead according to the health ministry in gaza. i just triggered historic drama in 1948 in the events and the ware that took place around that time when palestinians were displaced. 200,000 with gaza. they either chose to leave or were expelled from their homes. that is a historic trauma which is now coming back again over the course of the year and the events that happened. you hear that a lot people inside gaza you hear the historic trauma perspective from israelis as well. israel was supposed to be there safe haven. it was supposed to be the place

they were safe they are feeling very unsafe in their land. >> yes got back to the documentary. let's listen to the israeli a young israeli woman who had interviewed that was held hostage by hamas. we'll talk about that on the other side. [speaking native language] [speaking native language] [speaking native language]

[speaking native language] [speaking native language] [speaking native language] >> talk to us about this young woman and the perspective that she has. 17-year-old when the attack of october 7 happened.

she was living with her family and a community near the gaza border. and she was there with her family. in fact she'd been up with friends that night, walking around admiring the beauty of the place. as a very, very beautiful place to the gaza border. her family had the sirens go off at 6:29 a.m. in the morning progressed to get finished watchingoc us online at c-span.g we leave it to take you live to dallas where incumbent republican senator ted cruz is participating in a debate applicant: all right in the texas u.s. senate race the debate hosted by. both agreed to meet here in dallas tonight to discuss their philosophy. and discuss how they are different if one of them is elected when one is elected to represent us in the u.s. senate

for the next six years first the rules for this debate. both candidates agree to the following candidates will get 90 seconds to answer a question but his opponent then gets 90 seconds to respond will go back to the first candidate for a 62nd rebuttal. an additional follow-up of 60 seconds will be at the discretion of the moderator. quick several countdown clocks and student with this the candidates can see tonight to help keep them on track timewise. anally both candidates will get one minute each to introduce themselves here in just a moment the end of the debate they will get another 60 seconds for closing statement. let's welcome the candidate for u.s. senate in texas tonight for democrat colin allred and republican ted cruz. ♪ >> gentlemen thank you each for being here tonight. mr. allred you won the coin cost you chose coverage of 60 seconds.

next thank you all for moderating in ted cruz thank you. i am a husband and a father i was raised here in dallas by single mom who was a public school teacher i've been shaped by every part of the state. my grandfather was a customs officer in brownsville's were my mom and dad were born and raised and i spent a lot of my child i was captain of the football team trade for the nfl draft in houston i've served my hometown in dallas and congress for the last six years in that time up in the most bipartisan syntax and in congress i'm the exact opposite of senator who is the most extreme in the art state senate may be the most extreme in the last 30 years. that's not enough is also only focused on himself that's how you can go to cancún millions of texans needs you and hundreds are dying. the truth is we do not be embarrassed by our senator we can get a new one that's what this election is all about them asking texans give me a chance to do it. >> editor give 60 seconds of your opening statement too. >> thank you, thank you jason, thank you to everyone at home

listening. texas is an incredible place on the son of an immigrant who came from cuba with nothing, penniless. washed dishes making 50 cents an hour but came to texas to seek out the american dream. and colin allred is the son of a single mom who became a football star who went on to baylor combo and onto the nfl, now is in the united states congress. it is incredible both congressman colin allred and i have that represent taxes the nicest congress. tonight i'm going to ask you to listen very carefully to the difference between words and actions. colin allred's going to try to save an awful lot of words that sound reasonable. what is not going to talk about is his own record or my record. i am over and over again going to take us back to actual records. his record and my record. we are doing an awful lot right in the state of texas. colin allred wants to change that i want to keep texas, texas

pickwick center that is your title way to begin the debate with two big issues that are personal to texans. saturday the first question is for your texas of the strictest abortion bans the united states is no exception for rape or incest as you know. in 2021 yuko concert at bill in congress and included those exceptions. your later supreme court overturned roe versus wade, he said you get the texas law that has zero exceptions for tonight the question is where do you stand on this? we are opting for your personal opinion as a texan and us as a father. >> will listen, abortion is an issue many texans and americans care deeply about. it is an issue people of good faith can disagree. people are genuinely and deeply pro-life people are genuinely and deeply pro-choice. they're all sorts of positions and between pete i agree with united state supreme court that under our constitution the way we resolve questions like that, questions on which we have real and genuine disagreements it's at the ballot box. that is why the state of the law

now is the legislature in austin's at salon texas he would not expect texas laws to be same as california. he would not expect it to be the same as the orca. on the question of abortion there's a lot of berries would disagree but there's also a lot of consensus. in texas we overwhelmingly support that parents should be notified and have to consent before their child gets an abortion. in texas we overwhelmingly agree late term abortion in the eighth and ninth month is too extreme. i will tell you in texas we overwhelmingly agree taxpayer money should not pay for abortions. unfortunately congressman colin allred's voting record objects that consensus. he is vote in favor of striking him texas laws that gives parents the rights be notified and consent he's legalizing abortion up to and including the eighth and ninth month of

pregnancy. that is extreme it's not with people of texas are >> center that your time. >> senator looked into the camera and light to put texans about my position but let's look very clear you should speak into the camera and explained to her why is said this is perfectly reasonable question is forced to leave her two children behind and flee our state to get the care she needed but look into the camera talk to who is watching explained to her why it's perfectly reasonable that because she had a complication in her pregnancy was denied care so long she may note never be able to children of her own brother 26000 texas of enforcing a birth to that rapist child under this law you call perfectly reasonable. it is not. this is not freedom. trust women to make their own health care decisions. allie and i had two baby boys here in dallas in the last five years. you're scared the entire time for you do not know what they're going to say i cannot imagine at

the doctor come in said is a problem with a baby or a problem with allie and there's nothing i can do because ted cruz thanks he knows better but that's not who we are as texans but when i'm in the night state senate will restore woman's right to choose people make roe v wade the law of the land again. and make these stories of seeing these horrific experiences going on all of the night say something of the past. that is my commitment to texas >> congress would think a center you do not directly ask the question of going to ask it to again do you suppose exceptions are rape or incest question mike asking as a texan and father tonight pickwick soon to be very clear if you listen to jennifer's answer at no point did he make any reference to his own record. he desperately wants to hide from the fact that as a congressman he voted to strike down texas parental notification law. he voted to strike them texas him texasparental consent law. he voted to legalize late-term abortions including the eighth and ninth month. he says he was a cockfight roe versus wade but that's not what

he voted for. outside what tonight i suspect it's going to run away from his record on whole lot of issues. we have a website called facts.com for it every time you get sent answer click on that and find out we will show you the exact vote he cast. i asked with the law should be in texas that's a decision only by the state he is running all sorts of ads saying i made this decision. i do not serve in state legislator not the governor. the folks who make the lot of the state legislature and governor he knows that. oxen want to jump in here. it's too important. >> will give you 60 seconds because i want to be very quick to people of texas i support the protection and the restrictions under row. but senator cruz called himself pro-life hurt you or not. you're not pro-life but is not pro-life to deny women care so long that they cannot have children anymore. it is not pro-life to force a victim of rape, to carry that rapist baby but is not pro-life that are maternal sky rate by

50% that is not pro-life senator prep for x every texas woman at home and every texas it might watching us understand that when ted cruz says he's pro-life he does not mean yours. >> sentiments give you 60 seconds why is this an issue want to address about saying whether you support or oppose? >> jason i'm curious why do you keep asking me that question but one for second i have asked colin allred twice about his voting record the fact he voted to strike down texas parental notification law and parental consent law. you have not asked him about that. that is his record. he does not deny it. he gives language that is disconnected from the actual voting record he has a part and listen, my view i believe in democracy. if jen ford is not the decisions made the decision of the governor made, he is welcome to asked to run for state legislature and governor and congress either one of us have a

boat i have not voted to strike down texas law. congressman allred has. congressman allred is voted to tell you, a mother at home, you have no right to know if your daughter is getting an abortion but that is an extreme position. and i can tell you the overwhelming majority of texans do not agree with congressman allred extreme position against parental rights apart against the rights of a mom and dad to be with their daughter in a horrific and challenging time pickwick center let's move on to the topic. >> was turned aboard a security congressman this next question is for you. in 2019 you called trumps proposal to expand the border wall racist. you said my generation will be the one that tears it down. but last year you said you supported president biden's plan to expand the border wall. congressman, why the change? >> thank you for the question this is personal for me my families from brownsville. my grandpa was a customs officer there he joined the department in 1930 my mom and aunt work

raised and where i spent a lot of my childhood. border communities are real places for folks trying to raise their families and get ahead. so time and again, senator cruz treats like is going on the support he comes down and puts on his outdoor close and tries to look tough. he goes back to washington and does nothing to help. in fact he does worsen nothing. toughest border security bill in generation came up at the night state senate, $20 billion to border security he said we do not need the border bill. that is what he said. listen, this is a pattern for him he is never there for us when we need him. when the lights went out in the capitol of the world he went to cancún. january 6, when a mob was storming the capitol he was hiding in a supply closet. the toughest border security bill generation came up in the night state senate, he took it down. we do not have had a senator like this. let me be very clear i believe in physical barriers are part of a comprehensive strategy to secure the border. we had a bill for $20 billion

for thousand new border patrol agents. for more immigration judges, or seven officers to help deal with the backlog. i want to make sure you pass that when i'm in the senate we will put will also fix our broken illegal immigration system. senator cruz's been there forever and is a nothing to solve this problem why would we believe he will six more years? >> entity of 90 seconds for response. >> on to note once again hidden his entire answer jen for zero reference to anything he has done in office. as jeffries rightly noted in this question, congressman allred said publicly if you believe border security matters, he thanks you are a racist. he calls the border wall quote that racist border wall. he has a pledge to tear down the racist border wall personally. and he said quote we will not have that wall in this country. and by the way, that's when his consistent voting record is voted as the board about not once, not twice, but three times. every single time there is a serious and measure in the house to secure the border, colin

allred vote no. it's a pattern we seen at the presidential level it's what kamala harris does as well. in understand at home, colin allred is kamala harris. their records of the same but i've served with both of them for they voted in favor of open borders over and over and over again. and now they are desperately trying to hide that from the voters. at the end, congressman allred says ted cruz is not done anything on that. but my record when donald trump was present i worked hand-in-hand with president trump to secure the border. we achieved incredible success. we produce the lowest rate of illegal immigration and 45 years to be that is what joe biden in kamala harris inherited. it is what colin allred inherited they deliberately broke it and open the border. texas is paying the price of precooked senator that is your time. congressman allred in your 62nd response can you address the original question? why was trumps border or wall

clocks listen, listen as birch i got bored security that we do not fall into demonizing. take something out of context and seven years ago which is what is trying to do. he does not want to talk about what he said this year we don't need a border bill. so i've a simple question for you, $20 billion for 1000 border patrol agents, for 100 immigration judges for personnel to help us have technology and catch mental coming across the border, why did you not support that comes senator? that's a great question. but you cannot have my time. then allied. [inaudible] [inaudible] >> i'm not yielding my time. [inaudible] >> i'm asked the question you can answer any of it your time. >> the we had a bill. this is a pattern. the toxic tough but he never shows up. we have a phrase for this in texas all hat and no cattle for that is what senator cruz is. six more years this, come on

he's had 12 years to do it already. give someone who will a chance. quick center take 60 seconds bring. >> congressman allred's memorize designs well. i will said this he asked what he be done? we produce the lowest rate of illegal immigration 45 years. working hand-in-hand with president trump. he did not address that pretty also did not address the fact it did not take a bill for joe biden and kamala harris to and colin allred to break the border. you can watch and listen to congressman allred talk about the border and all read fax.com. he also said a couple of years ago he said i don't hear much about the border here in dallas is not a top of mine is shipped out to staff represented dallas in the whole state i hear about everywhere i go hear about alice, the folks concerned about the dallas woman who venezuelan gangs and broke into her house, and tied her up, pistol whipped her with a gun. threatened to cut her fingers off and robbed her to hear about in houston from the mother the

12-year-old girl who was raped and murdered by venezuelan illegal immigrants that joe biden kamala harris. [inaudible] lecture not listening in texas precooked leisure time. >> demos move on to different the topical cycle if the economy the high cost of insurance. in the last five years of premiums for home and auto insurance and taxes have risen faster here in texas and anywhere else in the country. some insurers of stop writing policies that limit the coverage. this is happened to places like florida, california, climate change is causing extreme weather events for the question, senator, insurance and the federal solution? >> no it does not. insurance is much better handle of the state level. i will tell you when it comes to inflation, inflation is caused by the policies of kamala harris seat and congressman allred. kamala harris and congressman allred came in and went on a spending binge they spent drawings of dollars we did not have. they borrowed trillions of

dollars in china that we did not have and they ran the printing presses. i and many others said if you do this you're going to drive up inflation. they did not care. texans at home are experiencing it. refining harder and harder to pay your bills if you are a working couple buying your first home if you are a single mom worried about getting braces for your daughter the inflation caused by kamala harris and congressman allred spending binge is turning texans across the border. i got the help he inflation has been exacerbated by kamala harris and congressman allred war on energy, oil and gas in texas. understand over and over again joe biden kamala harris put executive orders in place to hurt energy and congressman allred his vote against texas oil and gas and energy over and over again. he voted in favor of joe biden's ban on new permits to export

liquid natural gas pretty voted in favor joe biden's ban on new gasoline powered engines at present eight years, two thirds of all cars have to be electric congressman allred voted in favor. oleksander, that your time i will live to respond to cocksure. i agree insurance is better handled at the local level than the state level talk about inflation. i was raised by single mom is a public school teacher in a state where we do not hear teachers and oxford i know what it's like to go to the grocery store line and collector debit card and say little prayer and hope this week you can afford i've been so laser focus on lowering folks costs and lowering the cost of your prescription drugs, on your health care, on your childcare, on your housing but without is a good idea to cap the cost of influent insulin for $35 a month ago to port and senator cruz agreed and disagreed we try to cap it for a good one in four americans are rationing intelligent with that means?

you're not taking the medication you need to survive. we said let's make sure this is affordable. i voted for, senator cruz voted against it. it's not surprising he's also the biggest recipients of campaign donations from big pharma lobbyist in the entire united states and it is true. this is a pattern somebody goes to the ritz carlton and cancún do you think he cares about inflation and working families? his entire career springtime china cut taxes for the rich ant looking out for working folks. when i'm in the central assembly represent all 3 million of us mixer keeper was on lowering costs of your weekend regards congressman thank you salary of 60 seconds regards tina once again congressman allred takes a responsible for his own voting record no responsibility for the toys is betting that have driven inflation but no responsible for the warm texas energy lng and oil and gas but instead what he said is gosh, is devoted to lower the price of insulin but so did i put on the senate floor to lower the price of insulin to a dollar a viable joy the

democrats blocked that. portable insulin as soon as joe biden and kamala harris came into office they pulled that out. you know he also voted in favor of? he voted in favor of taking $300 billion to medicare. and using it to pay for kamala harris pet project. using it to pay for health insurance for illegal aliens. driving up the cost have gone up 20% and are projected to triple. i will fight to lower reprimands make it more affordable and give you the consumer greatest choice. lexis move on to a topic that's been a hot button issue in your senate campaign. congressman, your opponent is saying and political ads you refuse to protect the integrity of women and girls sports the most recent ad came out today. congressman where do you stand

on transgender athletes click close be very clear about what's happening in this campaign. don't be a former nfl linebacker to realize a hail mary when you see when it burrowed desperate d attempt to distract you because you cannot defend his own record. i'm a dad, i'm a christian of course they do not support these ridiculous things he's talking about. kids in bathrooms you're not thinking about women in hospitals. indefensible that way from hospitals living out in their cars in waiting rooms being found by their husbands. all of the sudden perfectly reasonable of a girl is raped by a relative of hers, victim of incest she should be forced to carry that child to term and give birth to it.

you think that's personally reasonably going to set yourself up? it's laughable. i've never seen someone run for office on what he hasn't done it one of the least productive senators in the entire country. you know that. i talked both times i cannot think of anything ted cruz is done to help me in my life. i'm going to lower your cost on securing the border, she choose that is what i'm focused on. >> senator cruz at 90 seconds to respond about striking once again that answer he said not a word about us on record but have to admit at the beginning of it reminded me of kamala harris in her debate answering everything look, i was born in the middle class. it's lines that sound nice but ignores record protect what is voting record but again you can go to trance evidence he devotes. four times he has come out for men playing in women's sports for boys playing a girl sports he is a cosponsor voted for a law called the equality act for the quality act mandated boys to

be able to go girls bathrooms and their locker rooms and their changing rooms pretty voted for paris that is his record. number two there is a bill a very simple bill narrowly defined as protecting women and girls sports. he voted no. the only issue on that bill was whether biological boys should compete against our daughters that's not fair. congressman allred was an nfl linebacker it's not fair for man to compete against women. the third time he signed on to something called the transgender bill of rights. explicitly and he cosponsored it, mandated boys compete against girl sports. just two weeks ago congressman allred joint 100 radical democrats in demanding our military allowed drag shows on military bases. paper soldiers to have sex changes using taxpayer money. and pay for children to be sterilizing a sex change on

military bases. again that is extreme that's not texas that is voting record oleksander that is your time. congressman would like to respond? you have 60 seconds. >> yes it is a lot. stand here as a proxy for millions of texans who are sick and tired of this act. when genzyme starts talking about sports the only thing he played is left out. set this one out please listen, i do not support boys.girl sports i don't shoot. [inaudible] let me speak, let me speak. folks should not be discriminated against poet senator cruz should try to explain to us why he thanks they should. but ultimately, what he is trying to do is a thing called distraction to distract you from his record of doing horrific things or folks in the state. abandoning us when he needed us most. of not being here when we needed him for that's what he's trying to do and that's why spend so much time on this. >> i would like 60 seconds on

that. >> have a question for you in the 60 seconds. parents of transgender youth are worried about the safety and well-being of their kids and say ads like these like the ones you are running are dangerous. what you say to those parents? >> look, we should protect every child. and we should protect every person. i have advocated for checking the safety of every child, every person, regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, everyone deserves to be protected against violent crime, against discrimination. but congressman allred is not said that parties not voted for that is voted repeatedly for a lot of you all at home for example sought to biological men competing in women's boxing at the olympics. that was wildly unfair. my youngest daughter plays volleyball. it's not fair for a biological boy or man a teenage boy despite the volleyball at her. he has voted repeatedly in favor of that. if you do see extreme read the letter congressman allred signed it's on allredfact.com.

you can read it do not trust my description of it. read the words yourself. you know he argued for? military bases should have drag shows and fly a transgender flag above it. probably old fashion bread daily flag that should buy above our military flag should be military flag up a quick 60 seconds to respond clearly outline where you stand on transgender and women's sports. >> like is that i do not support boys playing women's sports but let's be clear about the equality act is a bipartisan vote in congress. it is endorsed by the u.s. chamber of commerce. so folks at home who do not know what that is it's basically the biggest speaking for the business community national natl association of manufacturers. this is not a radical bill. what saying is people should be discriminated against. what ted cruz want to do it again he wants to distract you for that's what is going to do. he's been here for 12 years. folks think of i think of you i hear about all the time it's turned the page and let someone else. >> thank you congressman.

senator, let's move on to january 6. a question for you, your words and statements of change in january 6, 2021. at one point you call the insurrection a violent terrorist act. saying anyone who commits an actual act of violence should be prosecuted. president trump has said he was consider pardoning the rioters. would you support that? you have 90 seconds. >> thank you for that question but my view is clear. anyone who commits an act of violence should be prosecuted should go to jail you assault a police officer, you should go to jail for very long time. and by the way that's true whether happen to agree with your politics or disagree with your politics. i've spent 12 years fighting to defend the men and women of law enforcement by that's why been endorsed by the leaders of organizations over 44000 law enforcement officers but that's why i've been endorsed by kim all the district attorney in harris county. she is twice elected democrat

the chief law enforcement officer in houston. she has endorsed me and this current race. why customer joins a centered and will send with law enforcement bring a lock up criminals and fight to secure the border. and unfortunately congressman has voted not once but twice in favor of defendant the police. right here in dallas and went up 17% and centered it went 57%. you don't hear them talking about the black lives matter at riots that burned city across this country. if you commit an act of violence you should go to jail. there should be no political favoritism in that regard. >> congressman 90 seconds to

respond. >> that was really something. you cannot be for the mob on january 26 and the officers but it's not funny. i was on the house floor when we went to the boat you objected to the results in arizona. you all at home may not remember where you were on january 6, what you are doing. i knew where i was and i know where he was. they told us to reach under our seats for the gas masks that i did not know we had. they were going to pour teargas and there attended the officers locked all the doors the president walks through to deliver the state of the furniture we usually use toll paper. seven months pregnant with her son at home whatever happens, i love you took off my suit jacket and prepared to defend the house floor the architect of the attempted overthrow center cruz

was hiding supply closet that's okay i did know him to get hurt by the mob. i really doubt this election is about accountability you could not be patriotic when your side wins. for the first time in 250 years this a project of ours, the shared american project we did not a peaceful transfer of power. the folks responsible have to be held accountable that's weightless that cheney has endorsement got involved in this campaign and sing to texans ever do not put ted cruz back in the position of authority. he sent it once, he'll do it again. >> energy of 60 seconds for a rebuttal. but answer the question, would you support pardoning of those convicted of capitol riots questioned. >> a look i think the biden/harris and mr. asia persecuted some and engage in peaceful speech if you are being pursed to give her peace will speak to should be pardoned. if you engaged in violence, absolutely not call me should not be parted. but let me say something interesting. the far left her so angry right now per there so much hatred.

congressman allred just snarled at me you are a threat to democracy. let me be clear i do not know congressman allred i have no animosity person i do know is voting record it's radical and extreme. your talk about threats to democracy question was sick bothit happened a few weeks agoe saved active. provided that to prove you are an american citizen congressman allred voted no 11 half million illegal immigrants open border policy and congressman allred voted no to protecting our elections and ensuring people do not vote illegally. that is a threat to democracy. senator thank you let's move on to another topic judgment it will shift a foreign policy statement gives no more practical military goal for israel it can achieve in gaza. i was a u.s. senator how would you hold hamas accountable for the worst terrorist attack in israeli history back october the seventh of 2023 question of what

military approach would you like to see israel take at this point in its war? what's a spigot at the beginning october 7 was a horrific terrorist attack by a terrorist organization, hamas for the worst attack on the jewish people since holocaust. they bear the responsibility for this word is a war of choice by them but israel has a right to defend itself and i have always stood up for the right to defend themselves. over the last six years as in israel not long before the attack happened. this was along the gaza border. while i was there we shared a meal we are also face time with a palestinian man in gaza city, father of four per document strengthening ties between palestinians and israelis. on october 7 is a sight of what is a really general called the massacre. i do not know what has happened to that father for. i can tell you this, folks on both side have a future one that's free of the cycle of violence. it is time for us to reach a

negotiated settlement to bring the hostages home. you also bring the remains unfortunately, the ones have died in captivity. hamas must be held accountable. and they will. according to the defense minister they are no longer in a position to be able to pursue it october 7 attack. let's also be very clear there is a vote in congress to provide aid to israel, to provide aid to ukraine, to taiwan, top of the humanitarian situation in gaza. i voted for it senator cruz said he voted against it. you vote against the critical funding. >> congressman thank you center, center,same question for you but military would israel take at this point multiple fronts or open up right now per. >> thank you jason proceed this issue is one of the clearest differences between congressman record and my record. when i was elected 12 years ago i resolved then to be the leading defender of israel united states senate part i worked every day to do that. to stand up and fight to support israel. i am proud to stand with israel.

our position would be america's dance unshakably with israel. when president trump was a present i urged him to move our embassy to jerusalem he did and i was there the day we open the embassy in jerusalem but i've never seen such celebration. when president trump was present i urged him to pull out of the disasters are read nuclear deal, he did it as a single most important national security decision of his entire presidency. congressman has consistently lined up against israel but the beginning the biden/ayres administration he urged them to send money to gaza even though it would go to hamas he has supported kamala harris and joe biden flowing over $1 billion to around 90% for funding comes from iran. congressman invited a radical imam here in dallas who called zionist monsters has compared them to nazis. congressman allred calls on the very best of north texas i do

not support those who engage in anti-semitic abstinence. the funders are among congress biggest supporters. we need clarity, we need to draw a line. as for me and my home we will stand with israel. >> center thank you for that congressman of 60 seconds for a quick sniff to talk about this. there was a boat it's not about talking it's about action. we had a vote the united states congress to provide military funding and aid to israel. to ukraine common to taiwan free mentoring issues and around the world part of the aid package was a $5 billion interceptors using the iron dome to prevent the iranian rockets that just rained down israel couple weeks ago. that happened in spite of senator cruz. it was very illuminating votes. the extremists were the ones he voted against it. the far left voted against it the far right voted against it i think they're only 18 senators

to vote against it. ted cruz is one of them you cannot tell me you support israel when the rubber meets the road and you are not there. let's also be very clear we have to find and negotiate the book medic settlement to many of these issues that's what i'm going to try to contribute to when i'm in the united states senate. >> 9060 seconds to respond to that charge there. what did you vote for? what's let's get into it. so congressman allred is right there is a bill on the floor of the senate i oppose that bill why? i said at the time joe biden in kamala harris are going to float money to gaza give it to hamas but frees weapons to israel per that's exactly what they did. after that the house of representatives took up a bill to provide emergency weapons to israel and congressman allred voted no. understand every single time congressman allred right now in this debate he is echoing the calls of the enemies of israel saying cease-fire now. he claims was nothing else to be

done militarily. it was one of the most targeted military actions we have seen. the radical left organization that undermines israel at every level. and i've got to say, that is dangerous but right now colin allred and congressman allred both once the vote of the anti-semites in college campus. they threaten they should be arrested. they should be expelled. they should be deported. >> center that's your time. but let's stay right here. as she meant she been a strong advocate of israel's right to defend itself. that world court has found it plausible israel has committed acts that violate the genocide prevention. do you think israel bears any responsibility for the civilian deaths and humanitarian crisis in gaza? if 90 seconds. >> i think there is no country on earth that fights a more

humane and targeted in just a more than the people of israel. the world court the international court of justice is filled with anti-semites but they repeatedly attacked israel over and over and over again. i've got real experience there. when is a solicitor general of texas i presented the state of texas fighting it's the world court. we want to six -- three victory because the world court was trying to attack texas, just like us trying to attack israel. israel goes in number one it deliberately targets military targets. mention the pages before. but i've never seen military action that was that leadership of hezbollah decided to get these pagers you would be just enough of a psychopathic terrace that hezbollah wanted you on that page or print it was precisely targeted. israel, they go in and say for example military operation and a family that's in text all the civilians there they dropped leaflets, they drop what is called a knot bomb on the top to

make a noise to tell civilians to clear out by this no other nation that goes to the steps it does to avoid civilian casualties dude who is responsible for the civilian deaths? how must they use human shields be less talk about records but i introduce legislation to sanction hamas for using human shields for that legislation passed into law. it is one of the 101 different pieces of legislation i have enacted. joe biden in kamala harris refused to support that labbe will not. [inaudible] >> you're out of time. congressman is there any does israel have any responsibility for he that crisis? >> i would agree with senator cruz that hamas is a terrorist organization that hides amongst the civilian population. it's part of their battle plan. they anticipate and want civilian casualties. they put their tunnels beneath the playgrounds, beneath elementary schools. they do this knowing they make it more difficult to target them

without it causing civilian casualties. no one in texas or across the country should shed any tears for hamas. what we can do at the same time as have caught it within our hearts the capacity to say we want to prevent unneeded civilian suffering. that's something i've always believed. that we can separate poorly done this entire history of the country parade this is what makes us great it makes democracies like israel great. we can separate the church leaders of the group from the people who are being subjected to that. and so to meet what we have had to keep our focus on is trying to provide as much aid as possible to innocent civilians in gaza. to make sure children are not being unnecessarily targeted. that has to be our responsibility. that something i will continue to work on in the senate when i have a chance. >> thank you congressman. >> do i get 60 seconds?

we are going to move on. quick senator but is 90 seconds. >> i apologize we got off track we have a 62nd response, sir. >> again congressman did not address his own record. that's a pattern at every record. you can go to allredfact.com's he has a vote against providing weapons to israel you can see that letter signed he joined with over even though the b is for terrorism. i lead 19 centers and urging the administration, do not send money to gaza because it would be used by hamas for terrorism but we now know how joe biden resolve that. the administration concluded it was highly likely you would be used by hamas for terrorism. but do you know what they did? they sent it anyway they waved laws when it comes to records you do not hear it here anything

congressman allred has done pay what i have done i've authored and passed 101 i stand with israel they should destroy. if on another issue it's a pocketbook question something you mentioned earlier tonight. here at the grocery store as a child and swipe the debit card and say little prayer for you and your mom since the pandemic food prices have soared 25% as everyone knows here tonight. senator elizabeth warren other democrats wrote to president biden to use his executive authority to lower food prices. since you did not sign the letter what is your idea to bring down food prices? i know what it's like to be a dead dead dead broke. and to hope something comes along student get to that week. that's why i've been a laser

focused on controlling texas constant lowering them everywhere possibly can. for six months it was in place they can when it hits a bank accounts santa cruz opposed it. it's been a tough time for the middle class. we are alleviating their tax burden. they invest in new generation of housing to make sure we increase our housing supply and lower the overall cost of housing. when i'm in the senate will be very. >> how do you lower food prices? it's integral part of the tax

cuts congressman opposed the drug tax cut work incredibly well. purpose out the lowest unemployment in 50 years. we sort real results. we saw the democrats they there whather parents not to hao work that's been inflation and food. listen, kamala harris congressman allred have undermined our farmers and ranchers every day. i'm proud to be endorsed by the texas farm bureau to fight for the farmers and ranchers in texas. they put bureaucratic regulations to make it harder and harder for farmers and ranchers to survive. but nothing hurts more than the cost of energy. whether it is the national gas that goes into fertilizer that they use to farm crops for the diesel in their tractor of the diesel in the trucks bringing

food to the stores. the energy skyrocketing prices are the result were on texas oil and gas. congressman allred voted for whr billions of new taxes. joe biden's aunt ban on new gas while starting in eight years two thirds of all cars have been electrical et cetera that is your tiber want to redirect the question your name was not on the letter how do you do it question. >> there where there is price gouging going on we have to have the agencies responsible for that looking into it. and may be very clear about something and don't bully me and

read op-ed wrong thing for national security i will be a defender of the texas energy economy. what senator cruz is telling is not true. >> 9060 seconds and indirectly responded there what he said iss false brickwork center we don't have time. want to get a few more topics in her final minutes per. >> give me 30 seconds. give me 30 seconds because he illustrated what i said. [inaudible] [inaudible] what center we need to move on. >> let's change it topics. topics. both of you say you believe that in protecting fertility treatment like in vitro fertilization.

after the supreme court decision there. why it hasn't happened? >> that's a great question is very important going to get to an a second i do need to respond to it congressman allred said up a question of 90 seconds for a guy said at the outset there's a difference between words and actions review notes lng what congressman allred said i wrote an op-ed about a paid it's true he doesn't claim he supports lng. but when it came time to vote there is a vote in the house of representatives do you support joe biden's ban on new permits on lng? and congressman allred voted with joe biden he voted against texas jobs. by the way in south texas 18 million-dollar new lng export terminal struck down by it left a wing and judges for the kind of judges congressman allred supports at because five or 6000 high-paying jobs in south texas parade this is an agenda where his record, yes his words sound good but his voting record his first four years in the house he

voted one 100% with nancy pelosi did not deviate on the single vote which meant he voted against oil and gas in texas jobs repeatedly. ivf incredibly important topic. i am the author that would protect ivf as a matter of statutory rights a clear protection ivf i strongly support ivf for gas weight is not passed? because democrats cynically stood up and objected, why? they want to campaign on the issue. my legislation had passed to be unequivocal and federal law ivf is protected for every american to democrats who blocked it. quick senator that is your time. congressman ivf 90 seconds. >> center cruises tell you something that does not match with what you're seeing from others is probably because he is lying. as named by an outside group the most bipartisan texan and congress. not just an election year like is trying to change his image in this election year. over the course of my six years

in congress let's talk about ivf. ivf did not need protecting until he got his way of going after it. no it was thinking they needed to protect ivf until he was singularly responsible for pursuing and putting in place of judges of the district court level, folks who were put at risk this miracle technology. it's not just for them. he ran for president in 2016 supported the first amendment first amendmentyou know what th? it's bands of certain forms of birth control. you did. you can look it up, folks you do not have to believe me again you've been seeing him lying to for 12 years let's have a senator who doesn't. i will always protect ivf it was at risk because of him. >> 60 seconds for a rebuttal pickwick let me say you can watch the debate on the senate floor where he tried to pass a medical regulation. the democrats stood up and objected cynically. not to say there's something

congressman allred said that he says all the time he said this independent group rated him the most bipartisan member of the texas delegation. i've got to see if on that quite odd so when you look at this group. how can someone who bowed to one 100% with nancy pelosi, which is what he did his first four years, how can he beat bipartisan? congressman allred voted one 100% with joe biden and kamala harris the first two years happy to be called the most bipartisan member question but then i thati discovered this group a bunch of democrat donors they say on their website we don't look at votes but we do not examine every vote so he can votes he votes exactly like nancy pelosi. but yet this group gives him camouflage true or false to first for use in the house he bought a one or% of nancy pelosi? >> false books editor that your time. congressman you can respond. >> we are on the same time you can respond. >> i want to ask you this

question. she was give $25000 in down payment assistance people to buy the first homepage is also proposing 48 billion-dollar innovation fund to build more affordable housing's in texas read the question tonight, you support those? >> on me address the bipartisanship then. over 70% of the bills have cosponsored over six years i've been bipartisan. do know what? u.s. chamber of commerce's and of the group you might have heard of, the jefferson hamilton award for my bipartisanship. thus on a question what is in question is your recent transition to try to become the one to get things done and said being hyper- partisan. let me go back to housing here. the focus have to be on increasing our housing supply. we have to build more housing more affordable housing left to make sure it is connected to our community. this is happened to be a focus for us i was in the obama administration and urban development for this is been a need for us for a long time but we have not addressed it fully. when i'm in the senate will make sure we will bill affordable

housing across texas and across the country. that will help lower costs for folks it will also increase the supply. we have to do it. we've got three people a day moving here. and you know what? we have to invest center infrastructure want to talk really quickly about that. there is a build spring $35 million to texas over five years. bipartisan for structure law. i voted for, senator cruz vote against it are growing as fast as where you have to have infrastructure to keep up with everybody. without that is not a good idea pick senator you have 90 seconds or progress comes to housing nothing is driving up housing costs as powerfully as the 11 half million illegal immigrants congressman have a lead in with open borders they want to keep letting in. but, let me say we talk about bipartisanship and record let's compare actual record. i have endorsed me in this race have been the leading champion of jobs here in texas for 12

years. in six years of house congressman allred has authored and passed three pieces of legislation, three. in my time in the senate i've authored and passed a 101 different pieces of legislation. two different bills to create new interstates. i 14 from west texas to east texas all the way to the atlantic ocean. a liberal democrat, we passed it by that's going to produce thousands of new jobs. i 27 a new interstates is going to run from laredo through west texas to the panhandle all the way up to montana. i democrat from new mexico that will create thousands of jobs. i authored legislation to expedite the permitting and for bridges in south texas will create thousands and thousands of jobs for south texas farmers and ranchers refers to my legislation x a bit i think those bridges as a single most

legislation to protect mexico trades in the u.s./mexico/candidate trade agreement. congressman allred is no record of point to. rec center to thank you. you declared you support the initiatives that kamala harris is proposing $25000? >> to be clear we have to start the housing supply before we get into. >> how do you pay for that? >> listen this is something that will have to be a priority for us. it's an important question and how you pay for something for their certain investments that bring back more than what you put into it. you have a housing shortage you have to build more housing. it has driving up every other cost per it's really hurting our young people. you have an investment infrastructure $35 billion what's happening because i voted for in spite senator cruz voting against it. what comes the chips and science act which was a good idea i was part of passing in the house.

was hoping to pass in the senate to bring back high tech manufacturing to texas and america. we are voting for, senator cruz is voting against it. our economic output has been in spite of him. when i am and i'll make sure and part of the hard work we do to roll up our sleeves. >> congressman. thank it feels like the time his phone her in the studio tonight. i hope our viewers have got something out of this. it's time to make your final pitch to voters. you one that coin toss you chose to go for she is 60 seconds. quick someone to thank you for moderating you did an excellent job what i think senator cruz were spirited debates. john lewis used to say we might've come around different ships or the same boat now but we are all americans that we are all texans but we have a leader will bring us together around a shared values that's what i'm starting to do my six years in congress. that is the exact opposite of what senator cruz has done you seen it for 12 years were the most divisive senators the entire country.

if you do not like how things are going he is singularly responsible for his introduce this new kind anger attainment you get people upset and podcast about it, write a book about it and make some money on it. you're not there and people need you. like when the lights went out 30 million texans were relying on the center and churches spring into action. he went to cancún. that is who he is for got you give me the chance to be the united states had her own never leave you. i am asking for your support and vote. >> senator cruz of the final we have 60 seconds were quick to stakes in this election of the highest of my lifetime. congressman allred kamala harris are both running on the same radical agenda. congressman allred's pledge to be the 50th vote for chuck schumer to end the filibuster approach and the requirement of 60 votes to pass major legislation. that means if congressman allred is elected we will see the democrats number one strike down every voter integrity law in the country.

number two d.c. and puerto rico for new democrat senators. number three, grant immediate voting rights to every illegal alien and america that would turn texas blue every statewide elected official in texas would be defeated in the next election. and pack the supreme court. that would jeopardize our fundamental rights. i've spent 12 years of fighting every single day to defend jobs, freedom, security. the shares nancy pelosi and kamala harris by all fight to keep texas, texas for. >> jen what we want to thank you for spirited and animated but respectful debate tonight before we go we want to remind our beers it's hard to believe but election dates coming up here shortly. early voting begins on monday october the 21st election day is tuesday the fifth of november that's three weeks from tonight where we will have a winner in this race and find out who will

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>> a good evening from the nation's capitol and i'm host and is to be night and we are focused on two men with a very different views on border security, women's rights, in the future of an economy so many of us are struggling with braided moderating tonight's debate the end albritton anchor w enrichment and anchor and cox 43 and you were able to watch the debate across the country news nation that i was on every television market in every county in virginia, wavy-tv and newsnation, and before we get to the questions, here are the rules, senator tim kaine and hung cao will have 60 seconds and is a question if there's a follow-up question, a rebel you will have 30 seconds. to respond when the time is upcoming you will hear the spell. these candidate how will have 30 seconds for closing statement and out, live from norfork state

university going it is debate night in virginia. >> welcome to live audience that you can see that we have here that they are showing up in past and eager for tonight we have told all reaction and the response of the candidates until the very end a good evening candidates on deanna albritton. >> event on looking at to a very informative our in a discussion of virginia's most important issues at a very spirited debate from both candidates the anna. >> yes is go-ahead to get started over there's some big news here and involving one of the busiest courts on the east coast, the workers here are among the 45000 in america, now on strike which could cripple our economy any into the election in the holiday season and hung cao you when the coin

toss so we will start with you, and if you were in the negotiating room, will you deal look like to you and you have 60 seconds. >> quality again thank you and thank you for having us here in the economy is hitting is all created the same way, that's exactly what the ila is doing the boycott right now and going up on strike because you ask yourself this was very bitter off today than you were four years ago and if your military person, are you better off today than you were four years ago in your law enforcement are you been off today than you were four years ago braided and if you family is struggling to put food in the table, are you better off today than you were four years ago? the answer across the board is no come the only people better off today than they were four years ago i illegal aliens, criminals, and senators like senator tim kaine. and we spend billion dollars a day to house and feed illegal aliens. i want to make sure the students at it is you when they are

graduating, you know they have a future to walk into with you to grab onto the market big the way i did this when i'm going to fight for, all americans became your legally own americans i grew up here. >> thank you mr. hung cao for explaining that we will get to immigration later. we did ask, if you were in the negotiation room, over the port strike will be to get deal look like to you your 36th event governing because of the inflation and demented inflation is going on right now and this and cometh just like with hurricane this going on right now, this happened to the east coast, where his leadership, joe fight it is of the and kamala harris is with a bunch of billionaires doing a fundraiser and hung cao is a big breasted birth leadership and if it is testing to do with three crane, there albritton admits about illegal aliens all of it if you're the american you are on your own. >> thank you tony and senator tim kaine what is a good deal

look like to you in this port strike and you have 60 seconds. >> absolutely living to get by inking doctor adams and the spartans for welcoming aspect of the stages way to be back in one think wavy-tv and newsnation for broadcasting this debate in the two messages, when the message of friendship to virginia the jewish community beginning with the observations for celebrations and message of solidarity in southwest virginia been hit hard by her hurricane helene i was there yesterday and will be back on friday and saturday and be fighting with her bipartisan delegation and will be with you during your recovery. and i put it did not answer the question if you're in the room, what are you doing us are trying to get the sides to come closer and i was on the phone earlier today that the secretary of labor, julie who was so that's what they're doing during the differences of the wi-fi the deal at these longshoremen have not had a protected six years pretty and are entitled six

years later, to get better treatment and that's what i would be urging if i was in the room. >> and senator tim kaine what does better treatment look like to you exactly 30 say. >> and i am not with the two know exactly what they're asking for below, secures entities using of the world was waterfront. my colleague said, nobody's better off than four years ago, before years ago, we are in the middle of covid-19 hundreds of thousands of people were dying to this in a business is because he could not find toilet paper this la resident right overturn the peaceful transfer of power and what is happened in the last six years, sissy that's contracted event bringing to the terms the wages and benefits of the weather should be served in 2024, like in 2018, doesn't cut it. >> thank you senator tim kaine now will turn to the evolving prices in the middle east top. >> thank you trailing, senator tim kaine a number we should have been deployed to the erie of the past several months, and so far, our posture has vented to defend israel.

and senator tim kaine is an appointment u.s. lutheran she's to an office of shift to iran. >> you 60 seconds been at first not another board middle east of a good if we have learned would think i would up to 2020 went from a we should be supporting our allies but we should be in resist any effort by anyone committee get the u.s. it in the war in the middle east pretty with respect to supporting israel's defense, have been rocksolid pro-israel defense since i came into the city, in 2013 pretty 20 annual appropriations the more aid than any of the nation supporting the renegotiation of the tenure memorandum of the fence is like 20 teens, and rounding up suppot for supplemental package for tiy dollars for israel as they were under attack by hamas others when i was wrapping up support, for the bill, and my opponent is asking for a pause in all military aid to israel december 2023, and help leasing in subsequent months, has led to

to change his mind need to support our allies that's what i done this would've will continue to. >> senator tim kaine follow-up is there situation where you support putting u.s. troops on the ground in the middle east and you have 30 seconds. >> you cannot write off would happen if there on her others would foolishly reach major attacks against u.s. troops moment you do that circumstance, that was happening after president trump tore up the run diplomacy deal and the demolition started to strike u.s. troops at positions in iraq and syria in any attack on u.s. personnel, you need to consider a significant response to punish those who didn't but other than that the u.s. should not let anyone drag us into a war in the middle east. >> thank you senator tim kaine and hung cao owing hard to posture has been to defend is welcoming is there a point when the u.s. military shifts to an offense of policy against iran

wf 60 seconds. >> on ask everybody if you knew would have an october 7, 2001. that is the day we invaded afghanistan, because tokyo the twin towers nobody at the time because josé, take it easy on the taliban, when they come in the middle of the night of the kill 1200 people, they raped women and young girls and zero babies in the offense, they should be no mercy. we talk about either hamas, hezbollah with his face they're all iranian proxies and why are they so involved and now, because the lift up all of the sanction said to give them all of the money so they have all of the money that will bring out to rage war against us and look as a warrior, unless person was to get us back into born a bit of work for 20 years and i fought in iraq and afghanistan it's a multi- up in the we have to stand by israel rated it is basically come off on weapons going into israel saying that you know no offensive weapons we

cannot tell them how to do things and i saw that in vietnam when they said, hey let's not close by giving guns without ammunition that's exactly what were doing over there predict that is different apple standby allies all of the time. >> hung cao would you put u.s. troops on the ground in the middle east as an option. >> we meet in the middle east if you talking about is welcoming his his role so probably for the whenever ask for merkin troops on the ground they've never asked us and they've always fought their own battles. i just want support from us but when our friends are different so they think of the friends are giving that weapons to you cannot use of this or that, that's what happens. and if you have the weakness in the white house right now any weakness in the senate and that is whether doing with doing. >> thank you hung cao were going to shift to possibly enter living economy the top issue for virginia but as we recently spoke to a woman shopping at the grocery store is what she said. >> i have to budget certain

things that are not used to budgeting in order to get basic necessities like milk, bread, cheese, etc. >> hung cao their spinning $1100 more per month on average, on the same every day items they did in january of 2021, the bureau of labor statistics said and amended slightly higher than the national average in hung cao give us one specific policy that you would prioritize to bring down costs and you have 60 seconds. >> we know we need the energy independence that is the crux of everything the customer performer to fund the land is going to cost more for the trucker to bring it there with a dynasty made us dependent upon oil countries that hate us pretty like you don't iran and venezuela these hate is the middle east predict we need to be energy independent in this country. that means unleashing all the energy we can get in order to bring forth you american power and her them sick a couple weeks

ago that solar and wind, they are more efficient than nuclear power by can you imagine with aircraft carriers out there, on wind power we would put sales on their well look, i'm a warrior by trade but also of engineer and physicist and i tell you right now that is wrong nuclear power is the most clean and efficient form of energy out there we need to explore more of that in virginia and we need to be energy it'd stop being dependent on the country. >> they would you be your one policy energy into been. >> yes. >> thank you hung cao. >> and another followed now ten at ten come if elected former president donald trump has promised attacks all imported items would you support a policy and you have 30 seconds. >> why are air industries be pushed out, basically put so much seven regulations and industry, the work forced to sit it hours we have the cleanest practice in america include the

oil production by then we push it out to other countries and we out on this inflation reduction act pretty is really clean green energy. we need to do is to not tax our industry here, will be to do is to tax of the countries bringing in the goods because our people getting capturing when they bring abroad as well. >> thank you hung cao and senator tim kaine hung cao just criticize the economy earlier did not talk about energy independence and scholarly we heard from the virginia shopper, he said that a grocery budget is trained please give us a lease one policy that you support to help struggling americans and you have 60 seconds. >> over some of the virginians do not like being misled by a fungus that we need to be energy independent, you've got mention that under the biden administration, america is producing more domestic energy it'd anytime in the nation's history. and negatives is the production is nuclear which are supported and natural gas which i support

but also wind and solar and that is making a huge difference in the economy right here in have to dress with the chesapeake announcement about a great like, building a manufacturing facility here we are the energy leaders in the world because of these policies and what what i do and inflation printable first, covid-19 with a sledgehammer to global economy constructing all supply chains in every nation at that genetic inflation problems our economy has rebounded faster than virtually any and inflation is coming down pretty the fed just dropped interest rate is signifying that they will do it to get what i do, let's continue to invest in clean energy that's affordable and is continued break down costs on prescription drugs for the seniors is continue to provide american adults with relief from student loan that's in this three thing that i have been and i will do more and my father it has all three of those things. >> mr. senator tim kaine thank you, deanna. >> vice president kamala harris

promised to enact the first ever federal man on so-called price gouging if elected and does the price gouging exists on groceries and other necessities, you have 30 seconds. >> deanna, glad u.s. and because governor duncan just the other day, for the guest price gouging in virginia in the aftermath of hurricane helene and attorney general's morning said that we have tools at our disposal the o would price schedule especiallyg time with her through the federal trade commission the ftc or whether it is by legislationt congress should pass, we should look at instances up gouging anything that we should do is brace trump terrace, the trump terrace a massive tax that would cause prices not all of these items that are reported to go up and of that active my appointment who seems to think the trump term plan is great says. >> and you just said that you

wanted to look into instances of price gouging. you build in name and company in virginia and is price gouging currently and you have 60 seconds. >> i cannot they went right out with i was just an avalanche up and is with the law enforcement officials in the county visiting damage there rated their talking about the fact that they really see people coming in and trying to take advantage of those who have been suffering read when it comes to building cereals and of the things that they need to get their lives back on track predict that's what governor young. attorney general and vice president kamala harris of all said, the price gouging is real, we need the tools to deal with it. >> thank you. >> we have to move on to housing affordability predict moving out as limited the recent data shows nearly 105 homeowners and half the renters in virginia, more than the recommended 30 percent of their incomes on housing pretty and senator tim kaine

were typical home costs 44 and 40000 don't you believe additional support is needed to help great renters achieved homeownership you have 60 seconds. >> deanna great question i would take a couple of different ways of bring down the cost of rent and someone forgot the cost of purchasing a home. here's argued about the rental socal there is a very strong federal program called the low income housing tax credit and there's no currently pending in the civic of the process in the house with bipartisan bones, to expand low income housing tax credit prayed strongly support that a cosponsor is cosponsored since i sometimes sometimes create a new program when you have when that works, just to more of it and homeownership, hh support with the vice president as indicated about drug assistance for downpayments, those are going for soap. if it dropping the interest rate, that is also going to free up some financing for first-time homebuyers.

a lot of people don't want to move to us because report to be able to get as good an interest rate spread with interest rates coming down, they can and will open up a lot of starter homes for the families that looking to buy the first hopes of those led to be the do smith thank you senator tim kaine some of the things that you named might take a bit of time to check out as historically several virginia cities have ranked in the top ten predictions in america is how would you help keep the renters sent their homes now you have 30 seconds. >> and again i think that low-insing tax credits the best program that we have but it is case, the virginia has tough landlord-tenant positive has afflicted by addiction race in virginia we members of the general assembly here in the very proud of efforts that they have made in the last few years to change the landlord-tenant laws to reduce the eviction rates and i think that this efforts at the same couple, are showing success, as things we can do the bill that would guarantee that any veterans that they could get a housing better

so we have no evidence homelessness in the country so there are things that the state level need to be done but there's also smart federal strategies that work that i support. >> thank you senator tim kaine and hung cao on the same subject america's currently short five and half million homes and will post he would support to increase the housing supply you have 60 seconds. >> yes one of the things we have the problem we have right now, so repair paying ability dollars day to feed and house illegal aliens in this country pretty were taking care of them there need to be a lot of these america's homes right now, due to the hurricane helene we need to put them in the hotels in getting the room service instead of giving it to illegal aliens predict my fear with what is kamala harris was to do with unrealized gains is of my house goes up and so, you know it just goes up and celebrate then i don't have the money out-of-pocket to estate taxes that's exactly what is going on

radio, and when the great things about being an american us the freedom the significance ownership and okay other countries do know i you have that they want to push you out of ownership of your old antonelli corporations and very rich people could buy it so that's what were the fight against. >> well hung cao think you so much for responding when looking to see what policy he was a part that would increase the housing supply you have 30 seconds. >> again in northern virginia, there's a lot of when cost of living is very high but if we can build affordable housing for the south and have more vre's mass transit to bring people up there to work at northern virginia area that i would hundred we would solve the problem. >> hung cao and moving on now to immigration and tom will have the next say the questions. >> thank you deanna and mr. hung cao, you supported removing undocumented immigrants who have committed crimes and you support mass deportation of all

undocumented immigrants and you have 60 seconds. >> immigration is very your dear to my heart with vietnam felt we had nowhere to go in america brother said in appearance, waited in line for seven years we all day, for seven years, to get our citizenship in the last thing that my dad had hung over is that when the best way, two years ago was this naturalization certificate love this country so much, like check to including my life as if it for 25 years in iraq and afghanistan small you know the parts of the world pretty and so here's my thing to anybody was to come here, don't ask for the market dream if you normally to be under no big loss and embrace the american culture. and so, that is the number one criteria coming into this country and you come here illegally, and you need to especially if you're violent crime person, we just had our last week, there are 13000 convicted murderers is 16000, he

could rapist, they came across under their watch, that's unacceptable. we need to protect americans everything a day and that's what i did. >> thank you hung cao the question of the support mass deportation of all documented that was the question asked 30 seconds to respond. >> he came here illegally, basically screwing up the whole system for their people waiting in line like my families, for seven years for their naturalization papers is that you can don't jump the light if you go to costco and to avoid what he thinks going to happen, and so, this thing come you cannot come here and expect the market dream if you not willing to be loss in the break the culture, that's what i did. >> okay thank you hung cao and the policy of mass deportation you support, result in the resulting additional violence and unrest, how should the government responded you have 36. >> this violence and unrest outlook it aurora colorado and all of the other place in the

world grimaced 13 gangs of come across, it's already happening. sorry happening in our country and deport anybody committing crimes right now for this first we need to secure the border and we need to deport anybody was already over here committee crimes and stop giving them billion dollars day and that includes gift cards giving them in plane tickets anywhere cell phone and then enforce the e-verify and they don't paid to do their jobs and the self deport. >> thank you hung cao and senator tim kaine since president joe biden took office, is 2 million undocumented migrants have crossed the border, would you support granting amnesty to those already in the country today 60 seconds. >> my pundit would not answer your question on terrace and he would not answer your question on longshoreman but he did answer the question on mass deportation and he's in favor the mass deportation more than 10 million people which would devastate the economy.

i have supported strong immigration policy since i came to the senate in 2013, when the first bills we had was built comprehensive immigration reform that included, $45 billion border security investment in the republican else killed the bill was passed in the senate, by a bipartisan super majority in 2018, couple together a bill of $25 billion border security in exchange for protections for dreamers and president trump said that he might support it but when senate introduced the build bipartisan fashion, he told those to kill it pretty we recently negotiated a very tough quarter that would put a lot of resources on the border to stop illegal immigration, president trump asked for republicans to oppose it and even though it was supported by the border control union, and when asked why he was opposing a president trump said that we don't want to fix this problem we want to complain about the problem and as soon as we get republicans that are willing to work from home and

since immigration reform, we can see the folks from coming here illegally we can also have the reports that america needs because we won't have a without immigration reform. >> thank you senator tim kaine but the question was do you support reading amnesty to those already here. >> i've never supported amnesty suet thank you senator tim kaine. >> one more question senator tim kaine, what you have proposed would require significant funding did we talk about dreamers and you talk about other programs and you propose paying for this event 30 seconds. >> top, glad you asked me that question because the congressional budget office and others give up the indicate that one of the few things that congress can do, and will increase the gdp of this nation without really costing much money, is immigration reform why because we do it immigration reform, that allows the people to come here and work, they will pay taxes, they will contributed to the social security trust, and their productivity and

families like my opponents of families like mine who came here from ireland in the 1850s, they will help grow the economy. immigration reform might be the one best thing that could be done by congress to expand the american economy we need to protect the border, read reports america needs going into the future. >> thank you senator tim kaine and no topic of preparations for the lists going with senator tim kaine performing five years ago, the white lion slave ship not dozens of enslaved people just miles from where we sit here and refer state nl starting this lay ministry, and what is now the united states and vice president democratic presidential nominee kamala harris do support some form of reparations in 2019 is a senator and senator tim kaine would you support some form of it for today's citizen of the enslaved you have 45 seconds. >> sooner cory booker has a bill that would look at this question of whether those who descended from those who were brought here

as slaves, should be entitled to some form of assistance, because of the generations of denying their families the ability to accumulate wealth and i think that what the best thing that we can do to try to eliminate persistent any qualities focus on education and proud about her fighting for hbc you like for folks hoping this university defunding for stem careers for students, helping each be you to be able to start medical schools, to expand the medical profession and happy them train the next generation of classroom teachers and so i actually think the best strategy to deal with persistent inequities is educational support and have always supported those efforts and will continue to. >> senator tim kaine thank you and hung cao same question you would you support support the preparations for today's descendents of the enslaved you a 45 seconds country needs to heal we cannot keep dealing with the key picking up the scabs we

can discuss rape her mom said, these eagle your money, they can take away your position is likely can never take away your knowledge and this will be push education so hard and the education only equalizer out here and that's why i want to make sure that all americans have that ability to go to school. there is a lot of issues right now schools as the tuition keeps going up in the good innocent, since he came in office come the tuition and it is u.s. triple that. what i wanted to bring it down to 0 percent interest and you know, just allow for the students to go to school can education to get themselves out there other larger schools but it is human and or to school to have huge debits they should be the ones that coastline for these loans but again, this should not be the american people what to make sure this country moves forward and heal. >> my pundit also forgot to mention that he was to abolish the department of education. that is on his website and that

is a plan that he supports an overturned. >> we will get education a little bit later on thank you hung cao rated. >> we do have some much more to discuss of the candidates and for those of you watching at home are here with us live comes to ground will be will be back after this quick break. ♪ ♪♪ ♪ ♪♪ ♪ ♪♪ >> henly keep my covid-19 up-to-date. >> get a covid-19 shot. >> is recommended by the cdc to get a flu shot in a covid-19 shot ask your healthcare provider. >> i have always been an active person biking and running yoga that's really special to me it definitely big part of the way up to love the way that it makes me feel that there was a time not long ago when i felt that i had expressed the idea of hanging up this map ucf

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sue my name 70 and this is why moment. expect call your cardiologist today see if it's moment may be in your future as well. >> time again. >> so congested. >> just breathe and what is this and synex breathe yes. ♪ ♪♪ ♪ ♪♪ >> welcome back to our debate and tom. >> and i am deanna in richmond virginia. >> wanted to clarify when they senator tim kaine spoke about education in the last segment about we made a mistake but not giving mr. hung cao to respond to what mr. train senator tim kaine said mr. hung cao please. >> with the department of education is what belongs to the states okay to the federal government and the federal

government look they screw everything the tension must be honest, the federal government and a lot of these board of education are i'm sorry secretary of education the department of education only pay for things like the teachers unions are not really pushing out with the need to push for the season the state knows what they needed to take care of for their own personal state. and leading education the state was well into the school segregation in the spring court of brown versus board of education has to say, that from a federal law prospective compasses could do not discriminate against the students and you can only be education just as a state is if you do, we see that we don't want to go back. >> senator tim kaine believes education leader nobody military pretty. >> and hung cao world start with you on this one, the department of defense of the during the last fiscal year, the military is collectively missed recruiting goals by about 41000

recruits and hung cao you stated that this administration has been growing of obsession with gei is a wonder that we have a military recruiting problem if you please explain how you believe diversity equity and inclusion efforts have impacted military recruiting efforts that you have 30 seconds. >> when limitation her life he did a lot of military people. i deployed to invaded iraq when my wife is eight months printed with her first child i did not know i would ever meet him and we did that because we love this country so much printed and watching afghanistan fall, broke my heart headed turned their backs on military people they turned their backs on all of our allies out there pretty were they did in covid-19 was irreversible what they did is they kicked thousand 10000 miliy people refused to take that covid-19 vaccine is so if you're military person or young person wanting to go military would you

trust military government turned her back on them just for an experimental vaccine. >> thank you hung cao is could you explain is explain how you believe diversity and equity in and inclusion efforts with specifically are here printed military recruiting and you have 52nd. >> and again with when you're using a drag queen to recruit for the navy, this of the people we want coming a look about what we need is alpha males and females are going to rip off the room's and eat them and ask for seconds, that builds the young windmill men and women are going to build the war. [applause] [applause] [applause] >> body is please please quieted down audience please remember we did ask for limited or no reaction to the candidate so we could get this many topics tonight as possible. and thank you hung cao. and senator tim kaine, your product think about the ice blame for low recruitment predict what you think the military does not have enough recruits and you have 30

seconds. >> will it do not understand my opponent's argument meeting but all around the block, not really sure what his point was pretty about gei and the respect his military service on the father of united states bring the commander veteran i respect all conservatives in the armed services committee chairman the seapower subcommittee i think that what we are fighting is starting a people distribute in the all volunteer mustard only e didn't even know anybody military. we have to reach out to new constituencies groups and we also have to test this the people to benefits military service are enormous of people feel like that if they serve in the military for the fall behind in know you sue met because of benefits like the g.i. bill and others then finally we need to work on innovative program such as the army working on right now to help young people kind prequalified a pass the physical exams and they have a long and productive career serving our country. >> and just to clarify come your saying that you believe not

enough americans understand the benefits of the military and that is what is hampering recruitment. >> deice) and we do surveys of families about people's willingness to serve and it turns out they're not serving because are afraid the nursery because not patriotic of serving because they do not believe military service will answer rest of their life to think alike to get off track and their colleagues will zoom ahead of them. we need to do a better job of talking about your belt and the benefits because will house the tremendous leadership training the begin the military my son received a superb leadership training that will benefit him for the rest of his life but he did not know somebody the military, you might not understand that and that is what we need to do to communicate better. maria, will have more people signing up to serve the country. >> thank you senator tim kaine. [applause] >> please hold your applause everyone and senator tim kaine

looking at guns in america, and the masculine if supported of buyback programs for firearm accessories that are there any circumstances in which he was support mandatory buybacks for firearms specifically getting a 452nd. >> i'm not supported mandatory buybacks he can see a circumstance where wedding and we can offer incentives from this good thing by midday the second and i guess people writing farms second amendment also this reporter said reasonable limitations are accepted historians wanted reasonable limitations such as when the end of the month revealed on high capacity magazines or comprehensive background checks freighted the worst date of my life. i was the day when i was governor is a tragic shooting at virginia tech, 32 people innocent people, faculty member scalp and they were killed because not have a comprehensive background check. i would've stopped that mentally disturbed young man from buying a weapon that he was not authorized to have printed that

is the most important thing we can do to bring a gun violence in the country is been good worked on the state level we need to do comprehensive background checks at the federal level and we do, we will see gun violence reduced rated. >> thank you senator tim kaine and hung cao continuing to look at loss your opponent senator tim kaine, co-author to federal bill that could charge spirits and guardians with a violent felony with the children user guides to commit crimes. specially those that harm others is our question to you, you support sitting the parents to present when the child uses their appearance gun to commit a crime and you 452nd. >> you but here's the thing is the issue we have the country right now. you cannot legislate morality and no new laws going to stop a person hell-bent on trade assess the former president shooting of the school. what we need more of sros and

all the public schools emerging as well as mental health crisis counselors and not just the schools but also police department and the sheriff's offices was senator hundred senator tim kaine is introduce plausible restrict americans from buying the guns consider doing background checks on illegal aliens pretty coming in this country 30000 convicted murderers and 16000 convicted rapist of the group come across under his watch to background checks on them switches to clarify just goosebumps to hear you to say do you do when i just want to make sure okay and now l move onto education cost talks for faculty thank you and ten with senator tim kaine you have supported the biden administration attempts to student loan forgiveness. twenty believe the people he made the choice, take out student loans she received taxpayer support to relieve their debt you have 60 seconds. >> so first let's talk about public service loan forgiveness programs in place since the

first question ministration they were not being is in effect the passing ministration was not approving public service loan forgiveness biden administration has taken this programs and is forgiven the loans of more than a million public service and thanks for the public service they provide whether it's in the military teaching withers working as a frontline health professional working for local or state government i think it's a powerful strategy to look because soft every day people shoulders and to provide to go into public service professions minutes in the heart of divided adherence administrations loan forgiveness program is strongly strongly supported because if you go to school, then you commit your life to public service, i think that that is a very worthy fuss and i think loan forgiveness of the circumstances makes perfect sense is also good for the economy is when you lift the burden off of people so here's

to pay back loans for both their able to buy a house or by a car communities senator tim kaine thank you and hung cao as a bus october the department of education said the virginians, no collective $43 billion in federal student debt impacting their ability to contribute to our economy so hung cao how would you help these virginians ease that for you 60 seconds. >> and get them a drink of the interest rates to zero and also we need to withhold federal funding for any colleges that keep him to get the tuition costs because the college customers when we were the university cummings $500 a year there was six times more expensive and so why is that how come these large colleges have such large endowments knuckles money for the salt and this will people need to go after the gop

all that is a great program for you and if you're struggling to pay for your school, get a ci fill the means go out and serve military is stipend slows tuition and we need to fix education and we need to do it now but here's the thing people like senator kay coming given an office about for 30 years and very soft offices the u.s. senate for 125 you cannot fix it yet to. [applause] [applause] >> okay audience. >> when i was governor of virginia was named the best day for child to be raised in the united states the best managed state in the best say do business continues because of our education system. >> senator tim kaine hung cao. [applause] [applause] >> respond to get the he said what is going to do wealth like hey, why haven't you done that yet and honestly, of the 227 bills and senator senator tim kaine the puzzle through the beta throw. >> that simply the wrong. >> those 99 percent failure rate

and my profession is. >> that's completely wrong. >> will there's two truths in the world looking never walking to targus will reregister and go against the nation when it comes to. [applause] >> what does that mean. >> were going to move on. >> is 99 percent failure rate. [inaudible]. >> gentlemen. >> senator tim kaine hung cao were moving on to the next topic deanna. >> think he avoid some of the last few weeks of the biden administration announced $1.3 billion for historically black colleges and universities, to its work 20 and hung cao, would you support. investment for hbcus from progress you 45 seconds be backups related to the wife having every single year of us make this a permanent move forward and so that we can get like a said, education is the only for boys out there and thus

allow for the people to pull himself up and start giving back to the country. >> thank you hung cao and senator tim kaine give the record deficit, how can future hbcus students trust there will be continued investment in your 45 seconds. >> first you go by like track record. i have funding for the folks take another university my entire career we could go for a walk right after this event and i could show you buildings on this campus, that were bill because of on packages i supported as lt. governor mcgovern i can also show you programs on campus supported this united states senator my commitment to hbcus this entire my entire 30 years running against somebody who's that the college the department of education. that's an extreme position it would hurt hp use but for all of our colleges all over k-12 school. >> thank you senator tim kaine

and hung cao before those students are children make it to college, they often a the high cost of childcare is forcing many families to make difficult decisions about whether to pay or to help get care the children potentially quit the jobs they do not cover those expenses that you support providing a set this business screen on-site childcare options 30 seconds. >> excellent molecular think it is we have five kids. you know, we made a hard decision that i would work and she was sent home to take care of the kids because it cost too much to send them to daycare and so, yes, i would absolutely incentivize and help companies you know you companies to help out with the child care for their families thank you hung cao and follow-up with america pay for that does incentives in your 15 seconds. >> there's a lot of things we can pay for something a billion dollars, to illegal aliens that is over as half a trillion dollars a year, the big e paying

for illegal aliens into this country secure of americans first. >> thank you hung cao and senator tim kaine you've already indicated your support for giving businesses incentives to create those on-site childcare options and what americans increase taxes to pay for that and you have 30 seconds. >> will i have a proposal for senator republican of alabama, to take three provisions currently the tax code to help parents and employers for childcare that is not very robust working as a senior bring i have a bipartisan proposal that will be discussed with you tax again next year that would put money back into the parents pocket pretty and also successfully supported the american rescue plan for much and was my opponent and permission to expand the child tax credit that reduce poverty implement back into the pockets of the parents of that they could use for child care expenses and they could use for healthcare and that provision

has expired because republicans will know support extension find the senate during the third term, avoid restoring the child tax credit which will be the biggest tax cut for people in the history of this country. >> thank you senator tim kaine for outlining your red legislative priorities much working on the question was whether americans increase taxes to pay for these kinds of incentives are tax cuts. >> my belief is that there are savings we can find will help with us and i'll give you an example, we are now finally negotiating for prescription drug prices with the big pharma company said medicare and in the first year of them, going to save the taxpayers and senior seven and a half billion dollars, and that is just negotiating on ten drug prices and if we negotiate all drugs and medicare, people safe tremendous amount of money that we can use for other priorities like childcare and my opponent opposed that bill and said that he would repeal it if he is elected and that will cause

prescription drug prices to skyrocket. >> thank you senator tim kaine we will now move on to reproductive rights top. >> okay were going to ivf sorry going to ibf. >> correct cf and hung cao the average in vitro fertilization treatment is $50000 for pregnancy if you believe the federal government private insurance should cover that cost you 60 seconds. >> that the government no in the private insurance yes look my family benefited from fertility treatment so i don't know where the commercial think saying i guess that they come i know where that comes from a look about about family families mexican the five children was adopted and i want to make sure that were profamily the cost a lot of money any possible lives a lot of time and paperwork you know the people work necessary to protect the child it was so hard. or allow for the families to welcome a child into their lives like we did her second child is now you know in mother and now

i'm a grandfather of the baby girl because of her coming into her home and so i'm very grateful and i want to be very family-friendly in the united states and that includes allowing for fertility treatments like my family got or adoption like my family did. >> that thank you hung cao and you didn't mention private interest and how would you incentivize them to do so, the cover those cost away that would not leave americans authority higher premium. >> that's a great question because again with this plan, that's just a trojan horse or a single-payer government run program. cedric program for kamala harris everything single here and government run health insurance we have no choices, you will have no choices printed medicare for not and so this is why we need competition within the insurance that is how we will offer them to pay for ivf

another fertility treatment. >> thank you hung cao senator tim kaine same question to you has that average cost of $50000 per pregnancy, do you believe the federal government and private insurance should cover the cost of ivf, 60 seconds. >> let me tell you why virginians are very skeptical about my opponents support for ivf committee said that he was support national bill would establish as life begins at conception no exceptions and really looking at that bill has said that it would dramatically restrict women's ability to access abortion, and even contraception and that were taken back his support for that bill. the kind of the national bill with great park, to reproductive rights for all americans and here's what i believe, that insurance policies often mandate coverage for certain things mental health treatments and others and yes insurance policies including aussies that are offered on the exchanges

under the affordable cares action mandate covered for ivf services subject to the same co-pays should be carved out the way the heart surgery or other important surgeries a procedure mandated coverage subject to the same close for other coverages. should not pass bill that would restrict people's access to abortion contraception and ivf and we also should not demonize women doctors. >> my opponent has compared the women the doctors who make the difficult choice, to terminate a pregnancy coming to the had bomb makers and that is outrageous insult to women were making tough personal protective decisions that they are entitled to make. >> to give you an opportunity. >> i want to be very clear this, i will not sign any bill the federal level to ban abortions and i don't know where he gets

us from the supreme court made the right decision pushes to the state pretty was senator tim kaine is to take another voters in virginia given to a senator california and the congressman in idaho and he is the most extreme views which is unlimited abortion to including birth. >> it is true and hold on, because you voted against born alive protection act this most extreme think that there is a new voted against it. per child for life you voted against it so when he was do is taken out of the hands of the voters and only keep it back in the hands of others because i don't want a senator from california congresswoman flight out making decisions for virginians see a. [applause] [applause] >> senator tim kaine, when her audience doesn't want to give you 15 seconds to respond. >> yes it was a bill on the born alive protection act that it did but i guess it was already federal law and to become federal law, ten years. reporter: in every state

prohibits abortions in the circumstances and this was an effort to smear the weapon by calling them or bomb makers. i voted against them and i'm the only bipartisan proposal in congress right now that would codify movers the way which would have never been overturned women should be protected to make their own reproductive decisions for the point of fetal viability and state legislature should be able to impose reasonable restrictions after this virginia lot rhino support please write off for the united states. [applause] [applause] [applause] >> thank you senator tim kaine and thank you ineligible, with abortion restrictions will you support. >> those and replacing virginia right now for example,. >> can you yes so the parental notification and consent for minors with judicial bypass is nearing of circumstances after the point of viability election abortion can be performed. in the requirement.

>> it has to be validated by physicians in those original laws right now and you support and we should restore the basic protections of roe v. wade and not sell. [inaudible]. >> continue by the time and we do have to move on we are almost at a time when you have to move on and hung cao you get the question first actually self are there any circumstances under which you would not certify the result vice president kamala harris when the election, you have 60 seconds. >> which are asking this and it will certify because she went something like will they keep calling me a threat to democracy and you understand that i know when the threat to democracy is freedom of father was but kill us but the communist. the runway in the middle of the night to get out of the snow is been my entire life fighting to defend see. and people never win the compensation called me a threat

to see after three over there was thanking me for my service in the know when threat is in you and threat to democracies tapping border some more with 13000 convicted murderers and city thousand convicted rapist coming through, what is happening on campuses death to america is being shot that's affecting our democracy. >> thank you hung cao. harris: same question for you and are there any circumstances under you would not certify the result former president donald trump were elected you have 60 seconds for a point certify the result i did in 2016 when i was on the ballot was i happy about the result is he immediately and certified in a did not try to inspire an attack on the capitol and i don't think that it never called my opponent, and they my key suggesting i do point out something about my opponents extreme position, he has taken the position that those who attacked the capitol in january 6 the 2021, leading to

death including law enforcement officers,. >> hold on hold on holland. >> let me finish. >> he has said that those individuals should not be prosecuted they should be compensated. [inaudible]. >> were just about of time some going to have to in that. >> readily closing statements first we will allow the candidate 30 seconds for closing statements and turning we will go first which was determined by recent polling. >> vietnam help them win over the run to, but his grace country called the united states to be sent and gave us an opportunity and give us life and i would to the top schools in the country including united states naval academy is been 25 years defending the right to come here. this country is taken a dark turn and it impress are turning this country and what i ran a way from pretty and 30 years to have any time for senator tim kaine's closing statement, 30 seconds.

>> the choice it pretty clear for virginians what was also acting when extremism pretty eyes that my city to a renaissance as mayor the still continuing when i was governor and we are best different business the best educated best manage day, and it is that i have a powerful legislation so that we are building again with infrastructure were making again with manufacturing and renovating in virginia is leading the way. >> were out of time and thank you for joining us. >> the money is underway right now have a great night underway and everyone. ♪ ♪♪ ♪ ♪♪ >> this nation news forll make america smacking him similar faces applicatem challenger katrina christiansen race with nothing on theate seat watch the debate hosted by ek tv, l it a p.m. e "c-span2" cspan now are free mobile video optima for online@cspan.org.

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aol.com congressional district debate presented by aarp of alabama i will beat your moderator for the debate this afternoon. today were going to talk with a few candidates about their positions on issues like gun violence, immigration, rural health care and more. but before we get started will quickly go over today's rules. the topics we are discussing today with the campaign but is not shared specific questions. each candidate will have two minutes to answer question in the tenant who answered first will get 30 seconds of a rebuttal time. the order of candidates answering was determined by an earlier coin flip. so let's meet our two candidates republican caroleene dobson and democrat shomari figures again determined by the earlier coin flip. caroleene dobson you have three minutes open your opening statement and then shomari figures you will have three minutes make your opening statement. >> good afternoon for i first

want to let the families have been impacted by hurricane colleen and milton know you are in my thoughts and prayers manyt meant if you're sheltering in the second congressional district. i want to let you know that my help goes out to you. i am caroleene dobson i am running to make life better for alabama families. i grew up and i now live in montgomery with my husband and two daughters. i serve on the alabama forestry commission and am a real estate lawyer purchase my girls are born in alabama there's nowhere else i'd rather raise my family then here the values of hard work, humility, community and faith are interwoven in the very fabric of our culture. i've never been in politics before a working mom. probably like many of you i'm concerned for our country is headed. i want to make life better for alabama families. i want to bring down gas and grocery prices. i what your kids to be able to play in your neighborhoods

without wondering if they'll come home safely or not. back to when i was a kid the time is spent with my grandfather, my dad's a dads up or he was born a poor the youngest of 10 children. i worked his way through college as a janitor during the height of the depression pretty got a degree in education that lead to a career for public school teacher and is also a farmer. he instilled in me and my sister a concept of stewardship. the idea it with the privilege of enjoying all the gifts god had given him, comes a responsibility taking care, cultivating leaving them better than we found them for the next generation. were not just stewards of this country and its resources. the next generation itself. they've made our communities less safe and have made our economy less prosperous.

all due to washington insiders like my opponents. he spent his entire adult career in washington d.c. start leasing an apartment of the district two days before the filing deadline backup is a million half-dollar house in washington d.c. what's more, is part of the administration that hurt alabama families. he wants to continue the policies of the last four years. he believes in government. i believe in you. you and i have to ask ourselves are we better off than we were four years ago? i have yet to find a person in this district that answers yes we do not need washington insiders funding washington we need more alabama fighting to make life better for alabama families. i hope you'll join me in that fight enjoyed me on november 5. >> good afternoon. thank you for hosting this. thank you to all of those who

are listening and watching us here today i join my colleagues here said in my thoughts, prayers, concerns to those of you who i invited by the recent storms down in florida as a child of the gulf coast myself i been through my fair share of them. i can certainly relate to the struggle of getting through that. my name is shomari figures i'm proud proud of born and raised. born in mobile, raised in mobile, educated and mobile. i grew up in an environment, i grew up in a home of public service. my parents, both of my parents my father first and then my mother were in the alabama legislature there's not been a day of my life where that commitment to public service thecommitment to bettering and fostering better communities is not been at the forefront of the values that have been stored in may. as a child and throughout my life my parents would literally ask us how are you going to take

the gift god has given you? but is resources or money, skills, talent how do you take them up at the met use in the betterment of the people and places that are responsible for you being you in the first place? does that mean the most you? to me this is been home. that's always been mobile, alabama, our family goes back to this district in clark county this is the district that made me. to go on and have a career at thistake them across federal government. we clicked on the federal courts. spent several years work in the white house with president obama. i work at the department of justice and work several years or we are attempting now in congress. had the privilege, the ability to learn how washington works. i don't agree with how it works in many respects like most

people. i know we can best leverage that experience to put it to use, to benefit the people and places across this district, what is now district to print throughout the debate today look forward to discussing the tough issues, the important issues for the matters them most in district to how we can increase our healthcare access inc. issues that how we hospitals back open and places like union springs, alabama thomasville, goldfield, issues such as the economy. issues such as doing everything that we can to make sure our streets are safe in our committees are safe and look forward to discussing this with you today i'm talking to the issues. thank you. >> thank you shomari figures we should talk about something on your buddy's minds right now what is the biggest issue you see with the economy district do and in that district what would you do to help if you were elected to congress?

bucks without question alabama families are struggling in this economy and at what to make life better for alabama families. i was in the grocery store the other day it's almost impossible to buy a gallon of milk and a box of cereal for less than $10. families throughout this district are struggling for without question inflation is killing us. we are never going to truly curb inflation until we can stop the reckless government spending that this administration and my opponent work for has worked fos participated in. this administration is set to increase our national debt by $8 trillion. that means our debt payments amount to about $2 billion a day. that's making the cost of goods continue to rise and rise and rise. in addition to inflation we have to get american energy up and running again. this admits ration killed

american energy for the stop drilling on federal lands for they shut down the keystone pipeline. they made us more reliant on china and russia. that's reflected in how much you pay at the grocery store. i grew up on a farm my family still active in farming and the cost of diesel, the cost of fertilizer directly related to her energy independence. but is increased exponentially is putting small farmers out of business. it's most small businesses out of business and making it difficult for alabama families to make ends meet's. 45% of alabama families struggle to make payments. that's got to change. by continuing to crush energy and engaged in reckless government spending like my opponent would advocate for.

>> shomari what would you think is the biggest issue with the economy? would you do to help. >> people who understand who's grown up in committees in and around. who are struggling. my opponent cannot relate to that. that is something to keep you from generally struggle with everyday people. what we know is this. we talk about people struggling now in this economy. when you go to phoenix, when you go to the diggy, preacher, places across this district the struggle is not new for people. they've been struggling for far to long for they been struggling to create jobs in these communities to improve conditions in these communities. to fight poverty in these communities for decades. a third of alabama had has republican leadership of the government's office, the lieutenant governor's office, secretary of state and the attorney general's office for the last two plus decades. this game of picking a democrat

and blaming everything on the democrat is not solving problems here. reactive real leadership. president biden inherited the worst economic situation is the great depression. but every economist acknowledges that there no fault of any present economic conditions we struggle with coming out of covid lead to supply-chain shortages, worker shortages, job losses. a rise in cost. in making sure that fall off a fiscal cliff into a depression or recession. forcing the product of that now pursing a strong job report we are seeing the stock market performing at all-time high. you got to keep doing what we are doing but we have to make sure we continue to advocate for strong fiscal responsible government to keep us going down the path to get the light at the end of the tunnel. >> from that caroleene you have the right to rebut anything. >> i wish i was a billionaire

but there's only one person at this table that owns a 1.5 billion how -- million dollar house that's outside of d.c. the reality for 12 of the last 16 years democrats have been in the white house. democrats have been in control. exponentially increasing our debts. the more we spend government dollars, the more costs of goods will go up or the more it's going to cost you to put food on the table. to put gas in your car. >> let's move on we'll talk about immigration. shomari how would you have voted on the bipartisan border act that was stalled by republicans? what would you propose to handle the situation at the border? >> first, i think of immigration i think of a man named gerald who came to this country so enamored with the possibility is of what it could provide what it meant in the story of possibility heat learn to refine his english by listening to martin luther king speeches at kathleen his wife who came from

the same country. i was gone on to a career in health i think about their daughters therefore daughters they raised here in this nation all of them have advanced level degrees all of them are making positive contributions to our in education. one is an ivy league educated gynecological oncologist in 173 within the eye believe schools that we shall have the privilege of calling her my wife. she came from haiti, from haiti. they came and ate was public service, i leave degrees, education positive contributions to america. our immigration policy has to be informed. has to be responsible. cannot sacrifice the core values of what makes this country what it is. it cannot be so rooted in fear mongering and pulling people together to isolate groups or to isolate around fear. it has to prioritize protecting

our border. has to our asylum process. we have had solutions on the table that were drafted by republicans but both senator james lankford drafted that bill republican leadership donald trump elected, would rather run on a problem rather than to work to pass the solution we cannot have that we have to have real people in washington that really want solutions to these issues. i think it's clear my opponent will stay the course with the republican opposition that brings in real change in immigration system here in united states. >> caroleene how would you have voted on that act? and again but which you propose to handle what's going on at the border? >> there is no question our border crisis, and it is a national crisis is negatively impacting alabama families. i'm running to make life better for alabama families. of course we benefit from illegal immigration i welcome everyone to utilize that

process. i was visiting recently with doctor patel at jackson hospital. think it is people like him who have legally immigrated and providing healthcare in communities that most need it. unfortunately members of his family and community cannot come to america and emigrate because they are being held up by a system that's taking years in some cases decades. in the meantime we have administration flung open our southern border that has allowed eight -- 10 million non- residents, non- citizens come across our border. using american taxpayer dollars to fund, to pay for health care, clothing, education for those folks have just come across. what's more concerning is according to border patrol data from just last week they are 662,000 individuals with no criminal history that have come across our border.

this is making our communities less safe. look, we absolutely need to revamp the legal immigration process to encourage and incentivize people to come here and make our country better. but the open border is an entirely different matter. and the thing is, the democrats want to keep politicizing this issue. but the biden/harris administration open the border without legislative action for i would not have voted for that bill. that would have allowed thousands to come across the border without vetting process but thousands of folks in the cartel bringing sentinel. we can and come up with a solution if we just enforce the law. we just enforce the law. coach of 30 seconds to rebut. >> yet be grounded in facts. over half of the people in this country illegally did not come across legal border. they came on bases they overstayed the game with the legal processes. we need to be real and how were going about resources in terms

of immigration process. it's not the simplest thing were going to blame everything on the people coming across the southern border with no reality. with no understanding of the true causes of immigration problem that we have here in the country. >> a move on to a question from our sponsor. aarp has a 34 year history of non- voter it information giving information but where the candidates stand on important issues so voters can make their own decisions on election day. caroleene the social security trust fund is expected to make a fault. millions of americans who are counting on the social security payment to be cut into the money they earn pdc asked congress to work on a bipartisan solution for social security for those who have earned it. >> i grew up in a rural community pay for those of you also live in small towns the majority of folks are popping those towns are our seniors. my mother spent her career

providing physical therapy purposes. most of her. patients were seniors my parents are in social security. so many americans, alabamians, about 90% of alabama senior social security is their primary source of income. i pledge to fight for social security benefits for the currently owned social security those who are nearing the age to receive social security benefits but you paid into the system the entire time when it comes to folks our age and younger we have to realize we've got to put everything on the table. to depoliticize the issue, stop fear mongering, roll up our sleeves and get something done. but, what is really troubling as we have reckless government spending on folks on the left like my opponent. we've seen $1.1 billion of taxpayer funds spent on illegal aliens by this administration just sent $157 million to

lebanon who is fighting our ally, israel. we've got to stop the reckless government spending because that is going to continue to diminish social security benefits. we also at the stop the reckless government spending because we have to realize inflation is harming those in social security. even if you get dollars from in social security they do not go as far for that's a reality grocery prices have gone up 25%. energy costs have gone up 38%. your dollars are not going as far that the disservice you as well. >> shomari you see congress to work on that for security questionnaire. >> we have to make that path for two people in this country the government made a promise to pay if you work hard, do the right thing, pay into the system and they'll be there for you as you age people who need social security. it takes that. you have to understand is not optional for many people.

the money they rely on to pay rent to buy prescription drugs with the money they rely on to pay bills we have an obligation for no greater obligation to take care of our seniors here in this country. i would be there every step of the way to fight ensure were doing the things that are necessary to raise the revenue and not make the cuts to social security we've seen too many times. people on the right on the republican side close. that runs the risk of gambling away people's hard earned benefits. in the wake of government spent could not agree more. they have to be responsible. it's not true in the trump administration added more to the debt than the biden administration will possibly do. not even including covid spending. $5 trillion in debt to the

nation. we have to be real but we have to understand the facts but understand the reality that are grounded in truth, not fiction grounded in the reality republicans have shown their hand time and time again they're willing to cut social security. they're willing to cut other benefits. in the people of this district cannot risk jeopardizing that security at that stage in life. by sending people to washington that will go along with those plans. >> caroleene joy future time to rebut? >> first of all the biden administration is on track to at $8 trillion the national debt and i will provide data to that effect after the debates it. reckless government spending is again causing inflation. irresponsible use of government dollars that could be using to fund social security. i pledge to protect social security. some of the closest of friends and family that had a huge

impact on my life relied on social security. we all do but would pay into the system. but the reality is this government spends money to recklessly. >> thank you but never going to shift topics to abortion and ivf treatment part alabama riesling sparked a national debate on after an alabama supreme court ruling effectively shut down ivf clinics for brief time in the state. currently 41 states with various bands on abortion. including 13 total bands. so shomari do you think there should be exceptions or allowances for abortions in alabama such as situations as rape and incest? and a context for our viewers there's not such exceptions currently available in alabama. >> i don't believe it's a government's role to tell a woman what she should and should not do with their own body. that the decision she should be able to make with herself and with her doctors. with whoever she decides to seek guidance and counsel from prints out the role the government to get involved in that

decision-making. and i think what's worse is what we have seen. these attacks on women's reproductive rights. that leads to outcomes with idf such a basic fundamental medical procedure she has no questions about for decades literally comes under question because of the result of the strict laws passed. not just now but other states as well. it's also no coincidence the states that have the strictest antichoice laws also have the worst reproductive healthcare outcomes. has the worst maternal health care, maternal mortality the worst infant mortality rate. physicians donor practice here for the donor practice in their environment we have a district or that struggles with healthcare access at every single level. state policies did exacerbate that. over half the counties do not have a pediatrician.

but for hospitals close this district with gloss maternity wards we have county sedona has a baby delivered in them at a hospital since the 1980s. this is an issue that extends well beyond choice it's an issue having an impact, a negative impact. the logical extension is there will be future attacks. future practices we accept and now that will come into question. such is the right to contraception but that's a very logical extension of the outcomes of such policies and procedures that come out of this that republicans have of control of women's bodies. >> do you think there should be questions? >> as a mother of two children at my most precious gifts are certainly my two girls. i'm a christian, i'm a mother, i'm pro-life but i believe this should be exceptions in the case of a rape or incest or the life of the mother bird the supreme court in dobbs ruled the issue of abortion is one that best

left to states to address with compassion, common sense, and consensus. we do not need to federalize this issue. see what happens and we do federalize this issue. we have washington insiders who want to make extreme legislation. but to allow for abortion up until a minute before birth? how do i know this? 2019 board live act was before that u.s. senate. provide a baby born in a hospital for any reason including as a result of a botched abortion was entitled to medical care. all but two democrat senators voted against this. what's more, when they have seen it senators, republican senators like katie britt from here in alabama try to address the issue of maternal health and providing services to mothers that critically needed and ensure access to ivf that's a miracle of technology per allows families to bring life into this world who did not think they were going to be able too. there ivf protection act, both

of these acts were voted down. they went to create the façade there the part of women's rights. meanwhile they are proposing amendment to title ix that would diminish the rights of women in sports, the rights of women and athletic arenas. the party of women's rights is not my opponent it not this party. >> shomari you have 30 seconds to respond too. >> there have falsehood women do not wait for seven, eight, nine months the mid- before abortion. they cannot point to specific cases because it does not happen for the bill she's talking about the ivf bill did not go far enough in terms of protecting ivf. that's was voted against prison idea the bill did make it to a vote on the senate. our policies, our practices, our laws yet be given the truth that be rooted in fact sprayed the

fact is this is an issue republicans are just not going on. >> was too fun to ivf clinics which was the center of that ruling that we just mentioned. do you consider frozen embryo to be human life question what protection should there be for doctors and healthcare professionals when dealing with those treatments and with embryo storage? >> look i'm running to fight for alabama families to make their lives better. and as i mentioned before i believe ivf technology is god-given to allow the hannahs of this world to have children bring life into this world but as i mentioned i'm a mom and most precious gifts are my kids but when my dear friends actually here in birmingham had leukemia as a young woman in college. she was able to harvest her exit now is undergoing the ivf process. she is now married with her husband. this is a way for them to have a child she never thought she could have. it is so important to protect ivf and other fertility

treatments. it's estimated one in six babies in allen's bama is born through fertility process. i think will be looking back at the litigation was to arrive to the supreme court ruling, we have to find a balance. certainly the family who lost their embryos wanted to seek -- were harmed. we have to find a balance to ensure there is access to ivf. look, ivf is currently accessible in all 50 states. we need to avoid a situation like we had earlier put into question for three weeks. there a lot of women whose processes put in jeopardy on this issue as with abortion could deal with this in a quick and timely manner with compassion.

my opponents everything is more big government. mark: do you consider frozen embryo to be human life and should there be protection for the healthcare professionals dealing with them? >> i believe in less government in this context. i do not believe its government's role at all to be involved in the decision of a woman to make a choice it's best for her and best for her family. look, at the end of the day i disagree with my opponent to .she said state legislation are best equipped to deal with the spirit and using compassion. there's no compassion in the state of alabama for forcing a woman who has been brutally raped and impregnated to have a baby. there is no compassion. with an incestuous relationship being forced to have a baby. for the court decision that led to ivf. they called into question in the first place for this no compassion in that.

these are things the government should not be involved in. here the state of alabama who spoke at some of the worst maternal health care outcomes in america is the same fascination with controlling women, controlling toys and getting government involved in healthcare decisions to women and their families. so, ivf never should've been called into question. five plus decades under roe v wade they're not extreme outcomes that existed. all these abortions has president donald trump and republicans have been to afterbirth that the murder. that didn't happen. again politics at the rooted in reality and rooted in facts for the reality of the republicans are just not good on this issue of choice. >> caroleene you have five seconds by. >> i like to stay were the compassion is in all the democrats that voted no for the

born alive act in 2019. i will provide that data and that was enacted provide a baby born in a hospital is entitled to medical care. explain how you can deny medical treatment to an infant? you cannot trust my opponent he cannot say man is a man and woman is a woman. so just say he is an advocate for women's rights is a little disingenuous. >> i'll give you second to respond to that. i will give you an extra bottle here but seems like an issue, shomari you see my get a reaction to mom to clear up there. >> there is nothing to clear up. a man is a man, a woman is a woman. [laughter] but, at the end of the date this is an issue people feel very passionate about where they feel incredibly passionately about. it is something that is really impacted a lot of lives here. has really impacted a lot of families.

in the state of alabama is a get it right. >> informer question. >> i reply with a rebuttal. >> you would be against the proposed title ix amendment that kamala harris and biden propose. i'm glad you would ensure girls of sports are for girls only in girl's locker rooms are for girls only. >> i hear, i'm glad were having this discussion but here's the issue at the end of the day. i got into this race their issues happening here in the state of alabama. there happening in the state of alabama impacting people every single day. there issues in the state cannot go to hospitals not their people cannot go to a doctor because in anglo-saxon art have to get to them. people are not talking about boys playing girl sports in the state of alabama. they cannot show an example of this happening. this is yet another example of republicans looking to galvanize fear at smaller pickups were not

talking about alabama. we don't need more washington representing alabama. it's true this administration has proposed changes to title ix that would allow boys to play a girls sports in boys and girls locker rooms you got a daughter, i've got two daughters for that's unfair and unsafe. that's all we don't need more washington insiders running washington d.c. >> wouldn't come back if we need to hear. went to move us onto route 48 million americans help their love into each day to remain independent in their homes and communities. family caregiver sacrifice time and money to provide $600 billion annually and support. so shomari how would you help these family caregivers in congress? >> absolutely. the family caregivers are helping elderly parents and other family members. they provide $600 billion annually in unpaid support. if you were elected to congress

how would you help these family caregivers get what they need? >> this is an issue that actually happens in alabama. this is an issue where every single day people are living with this. this is when people need government to be there to provide the type of support that allows the caregivers to do just that. every minute caregiver is taking care of an elderly parent or someone who needs that care they are spending away from their own families. we have to have policies in place and understand that. we have 10 policies in place that give them that expand their financial freedom and their financial ability to provide such support. tax benefits and expanded coverage through healthcare insurance programs to provide that level of support for these families. but what this gets to at the very end of the day is healthcare access in general. we are in and in environment people do not have access to the

type of insurance and benefits that would be there we have to ensure we are doing everything that we can to promote an environment that brings jobs, brings benefits here. this is not taking this seriously with the healthcare across the state. they're very, very hard. all of our caregivers doing everything we can to get as many resources as they possibly can to take on that taxpayer. >> how would you help these family caregivers? >> first and foremost we had to combat inflation. when the cost of material, supply, the cost of putting food on the table, the cost of putting gas in your car has risen 25% over the past three and a half years we've got to get inflation under control. as i mentioned before that comes from cutting reckless government spending and being energy

independence. deregulating. but we also have to fight for good economies. monroe county, where i am from, we lost our paternity or in a county hospital did two years ago. you can trace that back to the loss of a textile industry. when you do not have a strong economic base, that of course healthcare is going to suffer. it's harder to attract doctors to rural areas. it's harder to ensure that you have private insurers as well as medicaid and medicare funding hospitals. good healthcare is dependent upon a good economy. that extends to caretakers as well too. as recently and it and i spoke with sharon. she said paid caretaker because of high inflation, the woman she works for the senior citizen that she works for cannot afford to pay for her prescription drugs. and also pay for food. sharon is literally using her

money to help pay for food for her employer. that's often back to the back of good economy. the crippling of american energy that killed our economy. but especially killed her economic opportunity and rural areas like where i am from. >> if you would like it you have 30 seconds to rebut. >> you just mentioned medicaid. worth healthcare outcomes in the nation. statistically speaking the lowest life expectancy in the country and we are in a state that has refused to expand medicaid but republican republican leadershipand statusd time again the last 15 years. no better healthcare outcomes commonsense step of medicaid to get more healthcare insurance of and more healthcare coverage. more access into these rural communities but we know the hospital, the maternity ward

would stay open. >> back have a question at rural healthcare. after this next one week can be there if it's necessary. recently went to district to print went around several cities in the district and asked voters directly with their most important issues were. we ask them if they're running this debate and had a question, what that question would be? we have a computer here. what the candidates to watch those videos part of two questions but were going to start with shomari figures with a student at alabama state university and montgomery. she has a question on gun violence were going to play this for you now hen following that caroleene you can answer her stripper. >> a question i have is regarding gun violence. especially moving to this district and significantly more than living in minnesota. a lot of people been affected by gun violence around me. i would want to know a plan of action to resolve this in montgomery. >> i live in montgomery. that is i'm certainly very

concerned about the increase in gun violence there. that's making the lives of alabama families less safe. i'm writing to make the lives of alabama families better. i am a mother. i am so concerned, like many of you mothers and fathers out there about the safety of my children on a daily basis. the fact years we've got to do a better job of getting guns out of the hands of criminals. with coding avenues to treat the mentally ill not criminalizing them, finding better ways of treating those who struggle with mental health issues. we also had to do better job of giving law enforcement the tools they need to get the hands of criminals off the streets and away from guns. this is an issue that's been of concern across the nation. the reality is the last thing we need to do is defund the police.

groups that advocate for defining the police have back mine opponent. if anything, we need more funding to ensure that our law enforcement can recruit folks with integrity. give them the training they need to crackdown on crimes in our neighborhood. you cannot trust my opponent to be hard on crimes he likes to talk about the role that he played in obama's initiative which the inspector general for the department of justice said was a poorly planned and poorly executed resulted in the release of 1500 criminals back into her streets. >> would you say about the gun violence? >> once again i hear a lot of concerns and a lot of problem identification but not solution. here's the truth about it. the truth about it is republicans aren't serious about gun violence or series screaming

about the issue. they are serious about addressing gun violence. our republican-led state legislature state house, state center, the republican governor, lieutenant governor would never have backed the plan in the state of alabama to remove the requirement for a permit to carry concern concealed weapon for if they were serious about the be back in plans right now to outlaw here in the state of alabama. you cannot say were serious about fixing gun violence we take the steps and stand up to the plate and address the issue head on. the federal level what can we do? make investments these types of programs earlier that we know are effective reduce the likelihood one site or the other of a bad decision to get more resources in the hands of law enforcement sure, i've done

that. that's exactly what i did until we get more funding for state and local law enforcement officers all types of crimes. at the end of the date gun violence is an issue that's played in far too many communities around here but you have to get to the root cause of it perhaps it's the root causes of it not just sit here and say hey, you're tired of gun violence but do things here in the state of alabama. that literally means the state of alabama. that makes no sense. there are serious about injecting gun violence that's a position they take if he cares about what's going on in alabama wisely living in d.c. less thang

voter was in 2012 this is an issue what we can do on a federal level who releases someone, a drug dealer who is an reelected last year for trafficking events in a bright fence not killing our young people in droves this is ms. rhonda birch from monroe. cracks facilitate question in monroe county. short and sweet question short and sweet. i'm going to give by opponent and how the government works. the finding that comes from federal government. all these issues we are talking about are inextricably linked to

the funding we prioritize what our priorities would be in congress as it relates rural healthcare with the federal government here to the state of alabama has expanded me that almost 15 years to do it and refuse to do it. so what we do the federal level? but we have to do is first passlegislation that re- authors the reimbursement, and the people in this district. we have to be serious about the issue and we have to address it. we have to look at ways to get funding with the services they would otherwise be able to receive and have the state stand with medicaid. the healthcare outcome they are predictable they literally can take revenge bill provides a

level of the community. at the state level and at the federal level have to get serious about providing healthcare if they truly care about life. >> caroleene? >> my mother help support our family by a nearly 40 year career as a physical therapist in rural alabama. she drove hundreds of miles away from my sister and i had the privilege of getting to right along with her. that's where he spent all of my summers growing up was working in her physical therapy clinic in cwmbran, alabama i witnessed first hand the impact rural healthcare combiners can have those who are most needed, those most isolated. of course i will fight for funding for rural hospitals but i will fight to ensure our hospitals that are in this a district that qualify for funding that they are not receiving qualifies for critical

access hospital designation. that they get those designations. as i said before the question of medicaid expansion is for the state. i urge of course for the state legislature and the governor to look at that every state legislative session. and part of the solution to solving the rural healthcare crisis. the reality is a strong healthcare system is built on a strong economy. medicaid alone will not keep rural hospitals open. i can tell you again as the daughter of a rural healthcare provider medicaid reimbursement, medicare reimbursement are not enough alone to continue to support our hospitals at the level they need. we've got to ensure we have good paying jobs. we have folks with private insurance that can reimburse at a higher level and we have an economic base. again we've also got to address inflation that's causing the price of medical supplies to continue to increase.

regulation. for example we have nursing homes in this district. the biden/harris commission back in may implement regulations out call nursing home an average of 300,000 in additional expenses for just to comply with these regulations. preventing inflatin regulation under control if we have a hope of solving the rural healthcare crisis. mark: you have a bottle. >> consulting healthcare crisis or at least at a minimum making a significant dent in progress in that respect. in union springs will still be a hope and had medicaid expanded with options but we need of leadership healthcare outcomes which the state of alabama has been doing. republican-led state legislature and state government is part of the last 14 years. >> district to his home to the river delta which is the most

bio diverse of. sometimes called america's amazon. being hit by the hurricane as well. what policies and legislation do support for combating climate change? and particularly impact alabama's gulf coast? >> i'm so grateful to have grown up in rural alabama. writing on sunday afternoons with my dad, grandfather and enjoying the natural beauty we are blessed with here. alabama families benefit from a healthy environment. in my career as a real estate attorney i represent land trust and conserving open spaces. conserving our environment. here in alabama also as a member of the forestry commission help to educate alabamians about the beauty of our forest for the fact we have a

23.1 million acres of forest but more than we ever had and reported history in alabama which helps ensure that our country, state is stays more sustainable and wood products and ensures help and vitality of our environment. we have to find a balance between ensuring we are providing underserved communities with access to reliable and accessible energy that they need. the question is how far do we go when it comes to protecting our environment, prioritizing that over the real utility needs of folks the district wasn't the answer is this administration is gone too far. they have crushed american energy. look at the biden administration's decision with respect to the export of liquefied natural gas. we have natural gas in abundance here. we get energy dominant 30% cleaner than petroleum and the biden administration to stop expert natural gas hurts

american energy. raises costs for you and makes the world more reliant on natural gas from russia which has continued to foster the global unrest we see. >> shomari what policies or legislation to support to protecting the coat and combat climate change? >> it's critical that we protect it. i grew up hunting, great fishing, grew up enjoying life outdoors, life outside but making sure that's around for my light time in the future of the kids and their kids. is something important to us and something we have to take seriously. i was in law school here in alabama the summer the oil spill happened. when deep water rising happened we saw the impact that had we saw the concern that was there at the longtime impact we are still dealing with from the oil spill here on the coast and

fortunately we were able to keep it out of much of the delta. we have to be reasonable but we have to be responsible. we have to have informed set of laws and regulations in place to protect the outdoors. and we have to make sure they're actually doing it were not allowed people to violate that and bring negative outcomes it impacts into our communities. i think at the end of the day our environment is important. climate change is real. the people down in florida can vouch for it. the storms are becoming more powerful. they're causing more damage. our policies have to reflect the reality of that in that contribution to climate change. i think at the end of the day it's importance. that is responsible, and forms, and tailored. >> which like to shoot time to

rebut? >> as part of addressing and coping with increased natural disasters that we experience, we cannot ignore the people suffering from this national disasters. we all witness when it comes to helene extraordinary lack of responsiveness. mayorkas saying there isn't the money to make it through hurricane season. i wonder why not? this administration my point was a part of that $1.4 billion on noncitizens. when they advocated for spending an additional $80 billion to increase employment of the irs but they sent one of $57 million to lebanon. >> we have some time in their questions here. to be most beneficial i've seen that look on each of your faces. i will give you each and then it to rebut what ever question or add anything you'd like to any of the questions he spoke about earlier. so chen fort you can go first and then followed by shomari. they will have closing statements for.

>> and it comes to rural healthcare this is an ink issue that impacts every single one of us. it's an impact in rural america. i know we've got to fight for this. there's not a silver bullet solution. as mentioned before medicaid is an issue of funding. we have got to have a strong economy. the policies of the last four years have killed our economy. comes to agriculture we have seen regulations out of the biden and obama administration seek to control how you use the pond at the back of your property. that you have to report to the ammonia admissions of your small cattle herd under the community right to know act iii has put in place in the obama administration of my opponent was working for. we have to fight regulation. we have to fight inflation. and we have to create economic opportunity in these communities if we ever want to solve the rural healthcare crisis but medicaid is part of it but it's not all of it. >> shomari you have a minute to

rebut anything from earlier. >> this republican sentiment of find the immigrants, blame the immigrants for everything going wrong. it is got to stop. my opponent has mentioned several times you cannot trust showed 62x, y, z the truck is you can't trust her on the border. the early part of her career was spent 700 millions of dollars worth of land on the border state of texas to shatter companies owned by development firms. that's fine if that's what she want you in private practice go for it but we cannot do is sit here now and act as if we have the answer to securing the border that does not appear to be a concern when you're paid millions of dollars take care of land deals for. >> manager about that. i worked for a law firm that help companies fleeing breed ree and create american jobs. some who could not suggesting

that in the open border policies that have led to deaths of hundreds of thousands of americans with fentanyl everyday has no business being in congress would benefit in this district from foreign investment from hyundai in montgomery that's responsible for 2% of alabama gdp. thirty-six oh will give you seconds. >> quick rebuttal. >> you've got to own what you did on your website now lists as one of your accomplishments representation of shadow companies owned by mexican real estate investment firms and their acquisition of land here in the border state of texas and the subsequent use of that land to secure 110 million-dollar portfolio loans. that is not, that is not an act of someone -- other than a business deal for that as a business deal. >> a closing saved like to continue that you can in your

closing. each candidate will have three minutes for the closing statement. and caroleene you are up for spare. >> first for. >> first i want to thank aol.com for hosting this debate and for you for moderating it. thank you for all you do to shed light on issues that impact our state. i also want to thank aarp for sponsoring this debate and all you do to protect alabama seniors. i want to most importantly thank each and everyone of you who's watching today. thank you for taking the time to be informed. thank you for recognizing that we here in alabama second congressional district have the opportunity not just to influence the future of our district but to impact in shape the country for decades to come. this race is incredibly important. my opponent argues that he should be elected because he understands how washington works. the truth is a washington has not been working for alabama

families. so just as you watch a few questions do you find that cost twice as much to fill your grocery cart half is full? do you find it harder to buy or sell your house? has your rent increase? do you find your paycheck is so much a fall or smaller while your bills are so much larger? if you answered yes to any of these questions you should not vote for my opponent. he helped put in place policies that have made our dollars go it lasts and made our expenses more. he cannot honestly promise to fix these problems because he was part of creating those problems. that's why he is the washington insider picked for this race. that is why his friends and a washington in his fancy neighborhood are backing him. that is why millions of dark money dollars were used to support him in this race.

they've been shaped by washington. controlled by washington and will do what washington once. washington once a washington insiders to continue to maintain the status quo. but, for the future of your family in the future of my family status quo is the last thing we need. we need economic opportunity. we need our communities to be safe. these solutions to these problems, do not come from washington. they come from alabama common sense and kindness and ingenuity. they comfort here in alabama from folks like a many of you that have met over the course of the campaign trail that had seen needs in their community and take time to meet those needs. take time and sacrifice. please join with me as we fight together to make life better for alabama families like yours and mine. vote for me on november 5.

>> shomari three mr. closing statement as well but. >> thank you for hosting aarp, thank you for cohosting. thank you to everyone who played a role in putting this together but thank you to those of you who are watching. we have a choice. we have a choice in november. what we know is been the status quo here in the state of alabama and republican leadership. the republican leadership and open congress and the senate, state, legislature the status quo. as much as republicans come as much is my opponent was to bring everything on the news democrat she can find the state of alabama has been under republican leadership i went to last two decades. in that two decades here's what we've got. the life expectancy for all intensive person possesses innate states of america in large part by the republican's refusal to expand medicaid and provide basic healthcare coverage of peoples will go to a doctor in the state of alabama. especially in a rural

communities. we had that literacy rate of our children. when the fourth worst in america. the individual movement incomes in the state of alabama's $39000. living a different type of life. a privilege i wish we all had. the average everyday person does not have millionaire in a niche way shape form or fashion.

they have to, they need to. they need government to be there for them in a responsible fashion. they need it. my opponent made this big deal about me being a washington insider. i classify myself as someone who has the experience to leverage washington and i can guarantee you one thing. union springs want somebody that can leverage washington to get more funding to open up that hospital. wanting someone who can leverage washington to help them improve more industry. we need people who have an experience to get things done. this issue being made about my home. i was born and raised. i live here. least an apartment. register to vote out my sister's house as we understand it. we can play this finger-pointing game or we can talk about the real issues that impact the

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over public school curricula. this is 40 minutes. ♪♪ >> welcome. welcome. i am thrilled to be here. >> thank you for coming.

moms all over the country watching tonight are very eager to hear what your positions are on all of these issues. they have some questions so we can ask some questions. a vice president pick exactly three months ago today. >> i did not even realize that. it felt like three years ago. >> it does because we were there >> the days are short, but the weeks are really long. it is like marine corps boot camp. it's going so fast you don't realize it is passing you by, then you wake up in here we are. >> the last three months. >> what has that been like? >> while there is so much i could talk about. we are proud of these guys and we are very grateful to them. having a secret service detail is very weird.

i have not driven a car in three months which my wife is probably happy about because i have a bit of a lead foot. all the mobs are probably happy that jd vance is not on the road the last couple of months. it is so unusual because you show up to the grocery store and they are like 15 guys surrounding you with little things in their ear. even if they have no idea what you are, somebody has to be here because all the secret service is around. there is no anonymity anymore. it is one of the things that just come along with the territory. we are having a good time. what is different for running for the senate than for vice president, i ran for the first time a couple years ago, i joke, right around the back of a used subaru owned by one of my staff members in our right around on a 737. a little bit more comfortable than it was.

this is partially just because, you know, life happens and we had our third baby before the republican primary when i was running for senate. this time the kids are two, four , seven and they can come with us and they are part of the journey a little bit. it is a really cool thing to see the country from the perspective of them. it is been a very nice thing. a great family event for all of us. >> together on the tucker to her talking about how you may have had to cancel on tucker. [laughter] >> you didn't visit any carnivals became you -- before you came here. >> we are not too far from her she. so, yeah. again, you are surrounded by secret service and everybody knows who i am now. every time they do something there 10 different iphone cameras trained on me.

my 7-year-old, i really want you on a roller coaster at hersheypark. you have to go on one of these spinney rides afterwards. i do the roller coaster, it is great. i think to myself, i am going to throw up. it was going so fast. you could see these cameras from outside the ride. when i throw up, it will look like one of these old sprinklers it will be captured on camera for the entire internet to see. luckily, i held together. i think they may have stopped the ride a few seconds early. but, you know, whatever revenge my son, ever wanted to get revenge on me. >> that was a very miserable two minute spinrite.

my son, where else do you get to go to all of these different theme parks and see all of these different parts of the country. >> that is a great opportunity. >> again, you see it through their eyes. they make little observations. they are really into the cherries that we bring home. or we go to hersheypark. they have all of these recedes theme treats. they notice things that i don't think you notice if you are 40 -year-old guy. i think that noticing has been a really fun part of this. >> while. supermom. >> she really is. my wife is this amazing person. she quit her job when trump asked me to become his running mate. i really brilliant corporate litigator.

we do this i will make it as easy on the kids as possible. i will come around and travel with you. if we do this let's make it a family adventure. i will tell you a story. one of the first times that the president actually met my wife, the first time i talked in any detail we were throwing a fundraiser for him. you are so beautiful, so glad to see you. he is a very engaging guy despite what the media tells you about them. he is actually very warm and normal person. he oscar what she thinks about me being involved in politics. it is a very diplomatic answer. my son really loves public service. i'm just really thrilled to be able to help them out where i can. trump goes, yeah, my wife hates it, to. [laughter] >> i'm so glad you brought up

trumps honesty. >> that is what i love about trump. he finds the real truth in something. he just points his finger right at it. >> a lot of people have brought up the fact that you are not a big fan of president trump and that you are very vocal about it i think moms would like to know, what changed? >> a lot changed. one i become a father. my first was born in 2017 in my second a few years later in my third a few after that. when i became a father i took a slightly different perspective. a little bit more protective, a little bit more worried about the future. you know, becoming a dad change your perspective like that.

there were a lot of predictions made about donald trump's four years of office. i think for swing voters on the fence, there are a lot of predictions right now being made about donald trump. that is what the media and the democrats say. i am ashamed to admit it but it's more important to be honest i kind of bought into some of the lies in 2016. then he was president and take-home pay was going up faster than it had probably in years. the border was secured. they also donald trump would start world war iii yet we had more world peace around the globe that we had had in a generation in this country. [applause] politics is sort of, i think the incentives are all messed up in politics. people don't want to admit they change their mind. there is this thing where you try to pretend that even though it's obvious you screwed something up, you never want to

admit it. i thought this would happen. something else happened i was wrong. it is okay to be humble and say i screwed something up. for a lot of voters still in this sense i would say the very same thing they are saying about trump now they said in 2015 and 2016. i think that we will have an even bigger and better presidential term because we have so many more big problems to solve now than we did even in 2016. basically, he did a hell of a job and it's important to say i was wrong. >> they have a lot of questions. every one of their questions relates to the first personal experience that they had. >> they all shared very moving stories are personally affected them. now we have a question for you.

>> i wish i could have seen them i'm sorry i'm a little late here you do not always control your schedule perfectly. thank you. >> the first one i have here is, >> my family and i were trapped five days living the nightmare of hurricane helene. >> i am so sorry. >> thank you. i appreciate it. fema was nowhere to be found the first week and has done almost nothing. my question is what will the trump vance administration deal to restructure fema and to rebuild western north carolina. >> yes, ma'am. i am sorry that it happened. i am sorry most importantly that your government did not do its job in response to it. from the western part of north carolina. >> if you grew up in the appalachia part of our country north carolina, pennsylvania,

north carolina anywhere else you often feel that region of the world was really neglected and left behind by the people that should have been done the most to look out for the innocent victims. i hate to say it but i think there would have been less loss of life that the government had responded more quickly. what do we need to do to restructure fema. i actually think that this one is pretty straightforward. you just have to fire the present leadership. [applause] but i think that there is a second part of this. it goes to the rebuilding effort i promise you if we win and i think we will win, by the way. [cheering and applause] i promise you i will never forget where you came from and i will never forget that we have responsibility to help you all rebuild the understanding i will

not get the full picture up here the other thing is, when you have a crisis like this, there are some things that seem not equipped for. i criticized fema for focusing too much on the illegal immigrant problem, not enough on american citizens. let's be honest, this was really a bite and then kamala harris shortcoming when as soon as the rivers started to swell like they did, the 82nd airborne should have been in western north carolina the next minute. [applause] and if you think about all the bureaucracy of the federal government, you have a different agency supposed to do a different things, you need somebody who is in control whose only job is to save as many lives as possible. the fact that it took us six, seven days before that was really possible, i hate to say it, i think that there was a lot of loss of life that would not have otherwise happened. just a lot of human suffering that we've got to do a better

job next time. god bless you. thank you. [applause] >> next we have madeleine. she is from new york. she has a specific question for you regarding her son. >> hello. >> yes, ma'am. >> vice president jd vance. [laughter] >> not quite. >> she is claiming it. [applause] >> you actually heard my story at the rnc. i spoke about my son. >> of course, of course. yes, ma'am. what my question is, what will a trump vance administration deal to strengthen and protect the rights or families of homicide victims legislatively? >> yes, ma'am. first of all, i am sorry that your government failed deal. we will try to make sure that

your government does not fail the next person dealing with what you are dealing with. here is the basic issue. the progressives, i don't think this is true of most democrats, by the way, but the leadership of the democratic party has gotten in their mind that law enforcement is inherently racist i think that that is a real disgrace. it has led us to dismiss a lot of good cops. we do not empower people to go after the truly bad guys. what i find so crazy about all of this is if you look at the statistics, ma'am, it is a very, very small number of people who commit the crimes in our communities. whether they are white black or whatever, there's a very narrow slice of our country that commits chronic violent crime. the thing we have to do is change the laws and most

importantly empower law enforcement to go after the baguette, lock them up so they are not hurting more kids like yours. that is fundamentally what you have to do. i just cannot believe that one half of our political leadership has gotten in their head that if you lock up criminals that is somewhat a bad thing. the core functions of government we could do so much better. part of this is legislative, too we are getting to a point where we have a major law enforcement crisis in our country. a lot of great police officers. a lot of great young and women that don't want to become police officers because they think it is part of the job. we want to fix the pay benefits for local law enforcement because if they get the pay they deserve, most importantly, getting the right people serving as police officers. if you think it is bad now, it

will be a lot worse in five years if we don't get a lot more people coming into law enforcement. thank you, ma'am. >> we have an online question. families are struggling to pay their bills let alone pray for their future. resident 26%. when will my dollar be a dollar again and how fast can we get back to a 2019 normalcy? >> help us out here. >> the best thing we can do is elect donald j trump president of the united states. that is the first and most important thing that we've got to do. i will talk a little bit about what comes after. a small grocery store. the owner had just bought that a couple years prior.

coming with daddy on the campaign trail. having a good time out there. it illustrates how different kids are. i tell the two of them you can get anything you want. the 4-year-old tried to get like a gallon of ice cream. he is like his mama, the 7 -year-old, trying to get me to buy a dozen or two dozen eggs. i am like i met a candy. he is like, no, no, dad, you made the last egg this morning if you don't get more mom will be mad. of course cameras following around because there always are. in the commonwealth of pennsylvania eggs are about 320 a dozen. from about 150 a dozen. that is a huge price increase in three and a half years. i fear it will get worse if we promoted to president.

my kids, these guys eat about 14 eggs a day. obviously exaggerating. making a joke about my kids who do eat a lot. i had some journalists fact check me and say there is no way that a 7-year-old and a 4 -year-old cody 14 eggs a day. it would be like me saying i'm so hungry i could eat a horse and the journalist saying jd in fact ate a normal man's eyes meal, not a horse. the media sometimes in this country is so obsessed with misleading us that they don't actually wrote work, i mean some of these stories of people suffering. i think the most important thing to answer is a lot of us do not fully appreciate how energy prices going to everything else. if you are a construction worker

in your building a house but the truck driver who was delivering the lumber to the jobsite is paying 50% more for diesel than that will be more expensive. if you are grocery store that delivers the groceries or the farmers producing the food rubbing 50% more per energy than that will make all the groceries go up. the most important thing is donald trump says this, drill baby drill. lower the cost of energy. lowering the cost of food. look, the government has want to stop spending trillions upon trillions of dollars that it does not have. when you do that you increase the price of everything. think about it. when you're printing all of this money to cover the debt it becomes more and more worthless all the time. i hate to say it, casting the deciding vote in trillion dollars new spending. putting somebody with common economic sense back in the white

house. [applause] >> you see this all the time. when you are in the groceries or everyone is commenting about how expensive everything is. everyone's like i cannot believe this is gotten so expensive. >> nobody knows like a mom. >> in our family, probably unlike most families i tend to do more the grocery shopping at least until three months ago. something change three months ago. it is shocking how much more expensive some of these things are. a stake compared to three and a half years ago, it is just so much more money. i don't know how any class person can afford and kamala harris economy to live a good life. we have to get back to good common sense here. >> we have another question. taryn will share her questions. i will follow suit. vice president jd vance. >> i am superstitious.

you guys are making me nervous here. >> my stories a public school in our district socially transition my daughter. so my question for you is, there is currently a lawsuit against the valley school district in ventura county california where three of my other minor children still attend. gender affirming surveys. with president trump recently mentioning abolishing the department of education, what specific actions will your administration take to uphold my 14th amendment right to direct the upbringing, care and education of my children? >> wow. i am so sorry this is happened to both of you. i cannot believe that your leadership has failed in this

way. i promise that when donald trump and i are back in office you will have somebody that fights for you and fights for your right as parents. [applause] i want to know so much more about your stories and i know. so much more than we have time for, of course. i just think to take something that is so profound away from our moms and dads is such a violation of every right that exists. the reason we established government is to protect their light -- protect our rights not destroyed. such a difference in this race. you mentioned that education policy. one of the reasons why we have this incredible pressure, a 14 -year-old kid, 12-year-old kid , we know it is hard kids have all kinds of tough things

going on when they are teenagers , three teenagers. i think in the era of social media sometimes we take normal adolescent insecurities and we tell especially our young girls that that is not an insecurity, that is because something is wrong with you. we used to live in a country that recognized, no, there is nothing wrong with you, we just have to teach people to be comfortable with themselves and be comfortable with who they are the fact we have gotten away from that is really profound. ask ourselves, why have we gotten away from it. i think we have to ask ourselves who is getting rich from what we are pushing down this road so parents and children and the answer is there is a billion-dollar industry in cross sex hormones and gender transition and i think we have to go the heart of the money and stop telling these pharmaceutical companies that they can make money by experimenting off of our children. it has to stop and it will stop when donald trump is president. >> you actually answered my next

question. we will not do that online question. >> just on education policy, i want to say that we do not even realize how much of our tax dollars, how much money of the people in this room goes into funding very radical curriculum. we ask how schools have gone away from teaching reading writing and arithmetic and towards the more crazy stuff we are seeing schools teach. the answer is how often we are paying for it. what president trump and i will do is make sure our tax dollars go to educating our children and not to indoctrinating them. stop the flow of money and that's how you stop. thank you. >> thank you. >> going over here to vanessa. vanessa is in florida. >> senator, my family and i migrated to the u.s. legally. >> god bless you. >> from peru. it took us seven years to make it into the country.

how can we make the process easier for those that want to follow the law come into the country legally. >> yes, ma'am. one of the things that i hear, actually, i was in tucson, arizona, a couple of days ago and i was talking about our illegal immigration system and one of them is it is so profoundly unfair to the people that have done it the right way, waited in line, paid the fees, this is one of the reasons why we have to get our hands wrapped around his illegal immigration problem. it is unfair because there are great people that want to come to our country. the question we have to ask is, what is it that we want out of welcoming newcomers into our country? we want people with great values we want people willing to work hard, willing to play by the rules. obviously, you cannot let everybody in that wants to come. you have to have an orderly process. part of what we have seen is we

have redirected so many resources away from processing legal immigrants who are doing it the right way to focus on illegal immigration that has been facilitated by kamala harris. harder than it was maybe 15 or 20 years ago. we have to devote the resources into the broken system we have under kamala harris. border security first make sure we secure the southern border and then we free up a lot of resources to focus on the legal immigration issue in our country thank you. [applause] >> we have a question for you. stephanie from texas. >> as a mother who has lost a son to fentanyl poisoning by deeply understand the crisis and the impact it is having. my question is how do we cut the

red tape and move faster to reach every child across the u.s. with education based prevention programs. we cannot afford to sit idle. while more lives are lost. they have no knowledge of this. >> yes, ma'am. how old was your son? >> he was 19 and 2021. >> i'm sorry. i will say a prayer for him tonight. not nearly the way that you do, but we, of course, have experienced the problems of addiction in my family. we want people to have second chances because, you know, when you are caught in the throes of addiction it is so hard to get out of it. sometimes there is not another chance.

from the dads or kids it has to stop. it is disgraceful that we have a government right now that is facilitating it instead of stopping it. what we can do on prevention. i think that one of these things , you can only do so much with so many dollars. let's say you have curriculum money going into radical gender ideas instead of teaching kids how to say no to drugs, how to resist peer pressure. the warning signs, you probably appreciate this having seen at the some people get addicted the minute they taken opioid. some people can take percocet for three years and never get addicted. i have seen this even with my own friends who had a minor surgery to take one percocet in there like i'm never taking it again because i liked it way too much it did something to me.

we have to teach kids to recognize when they are going down that very dark pathway. the second thing, i know friends from back home, families from back home who were involved in detox. if you think about recovery being a very long road, the first step is very often detox. there is not enough detox facilities in the united states of america right now. we should empower our churches in local community organizations to provide those detoxes because you cannot get into recovery if you don't do the detox early. shutting down the poison coming into our country in the first place and teach our children the red flags in the warning signs of addiction. starting to get down the road of solving this spirit it is an un- speakable human tragedy of what is going on in this country. 100,000 people. many of them in the prime of their lives.

i have known so many people who lost their lives to this. i am sure, ma'am, you are asking yourself the same question. what with the kids have looked like? human tragedy that we are allowing in this country. it has got to stop. president trump and i will fight it, i promise you. >> asking two questions on the stage here. we have stephanie from pennsylvania. not stephanie, sorry. caitlin. >> thank you for the sacrifice. >> i credit my family. >> as an ob/gyn nurse my coworkers and i are experiencing an overwhelming number of

illegal immigrant mother seeking and receiving free care between the volume of patients they are not getting the quality care they gave for and deserve. how would they address this growing problem. >> not that this is the most important issue today but i think it was a few years ago. maybe our nurses would be less overwhelmed if we did not have a federal government firing people for not taking the covid shot a few years ago. [applause] >> whatever year feels, whatever your views i think it was smart to let individual nurses and moms and dads to make these decisions. now force. the answer to your question is if you have 25 million, 20 million, whatever it is in

your country, we are compassionate people. we will not let people just conspire on the streets nor should we. a compassionate name for our own citizens. i believe it is to stop the open border and saw people coming in the first place. if you look in the state of pennsylvania, i believe the last time i checked, the media fact checkers will double check my information here. it is around three hours. you go to the emergency room and you are not getting the care you need because we diverted so many resources from caring for people that ought to be here to focus on people that have no right to be here. we have to recognize that there are sometimes trade-offs in the compassionate thing is to open and allow mexican drug cartels

to sex traffic kids into our communities. the compassionate thing is to secure the border and focus on basic common sense. that is what we have to do. >> thank you. >> we have another question. >> senator vance. >> please. >> our children schools are teaching them that they are victims based on race. family values are being mocked. how will a trumpet vance administration the dress and the public schools without fear or government reprisals. >> another big and important question, obviously do not know the background of all of you entirely, i don't know it a lot of folks in the room, i'm 40 years old.

i am a child of the 90s. my wife is 38. >> so her parents are illegal immigrants from south immigrants we were taught to think about kids as people and not whatever artificial super official skin color they had. i think one because both of us grew up with that bad attitude, we met, we fell in love, we never thought anything of it. anybody ever made when my mom asked what ethnicity and i said she was indian. she said which tribe. i said, you know, slightly off, mom.

she is one of the smartest people i have ever met. she said i get really mad at all the people talking about your biracial children. whether they are white or indian or what their background is. they are just our babies. american babies. that is what matters. [applause] i think one thing that we have to do is do better as leaders. talking about, yes, of course, we have differences and, yes, there are things that happen in america's history. i'm not saying we ignore that but we talk about it in the way of getting to a point where we see each other as americans first and foremost. that is the most important thing and then we also go back to one

of the earlier questions. a lot of this crap is not something that anybody, black, white, latino, anything, would teach their kids. they are learning it from very radical curriculums that are being planted in our schools by money coming from american taxpayers. i think the first thing we have to do it's a fun crt and all of the radical curriculum going into our schools. that is really important. the leadership part of this is really an urgent, too. it got into our head. the differences, i think what real leadership requires now is as americans. if we forget that it will rip our country apart. let's not do that.

>> you have a very busy day. >> we have thousands and thousands a month watching this. >> i ask you to get out there and get involved. everybody gets out there boats it makes our voices heard. the democrats will never be honest. if you want to take your country back, if you want to teach your kids your own values, if you want to save your children from unsafe neighborhoods, if you don't want your kids taught racial,. a lot that can happen in 20 days do you have friends or family

that you think would probably vote the right way but you have not gone to the polls yet? maybe you just want to post on social media hey i saw jd vance and he is not nearly as bad as the media says he has. there are all of these ways that you can get involved. this number of ballots in 2020 that if change, donald trump is the president of the united states. simply they are not happening in this country. ask yourself wake up on november the sixth. you want to say i did everything i think the question is what does that everything mean? talking dear friends, talking to your family, if you have spare time, donate your time with the local party. call people. knock on doors. there is so much we can do to get involved to make sure people get out there and vote. moms are in a very unique situation. i see the polls.

right now frankly donald trump won this election. >> the polls also tell you that we are doing better, president trump and i are doing better with male voters. i think moms are the best ambassador. don't believe the lives you've heard about these guys. vote for what is in your best interest. vote for public safety. lower prices for your family. housing prices affordable for people to live in american homes we have to get back to common sense. it is a way to put common sense out there. you have, guarantee every single person in this room has somebody in their friendship circle.

just talk to them and say i think these guys have good heads on their shoulders. good heads on their shoulders. i think if we do that if we get out there and do that that person power we have let's go into it. god bless you all. thank you so much. ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪

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and julie. they will each ask a question meant for both candidates. ninety seconds to answer a rebuttal. idea reserve the right task call carlos for clarity. i do not think you have directly answered the question. we did have a coin toss before this to deliver the first question. your opening message for our viewers. >> thank you. i thinknk for this congressional district it is in the experience of both of us. i commanded it five times. two of the largest bases in the air force. i worked with our nuclear.

i served in the far east. i spent my whole career studying russia, china, north korea and iran. the world is on fire right now. i ask you who do you want making decisions in congress. i will leave you with this. experience counts. i just want to start because i think it matters where we came from. a public school science teacher. my parents worked on factory lines. they fally for everything that they had. i want the american dream for the middle class for you. the reason why have been fighting for my entire career as a school board member state senatoro these last few years ad

the reason why want to fight for youes to lower costs in congres. my record voting for $6 billion worth of tax cuts. making sure we are not only balancing budgets but $37 million worth of law enforcement funding. i know what it takes to get things done. and i've seen that congress has not been working. congressman bacon has been right up front with the ineffectiveness of the w worst performing congress we. have sen in any of our histories. we need leadership and we need it now. >> thank you. the coin tossed confirmed. congressman bacon you will go first. you will havee a minute and a half answer. we areh starting with one issue that mostgr americans. an overwhelming 81% of register voters say that the economy is the top issue for them this election. what policies and legislation

would you take on first in washington? >> thank you,, julie. the average american is 4.2% poorer today than they were four years ago. we have to ask ourselves how do we get here. the firstt two years of this administration with the democratic house, democratic senate that fueled inflation. $3 trillion flushed into the a $30 trillion economy. just about a 10% position. that is the inflation that we receive. the republican house we have cut a lot that was spent in the first two years. now we are seeing inflation come down and now we are seeing interest rates come down. my opponent supported all of those inflationary bills that were done in the first year's congress. the rescue plan, the reduction act was the inflation multiplication act. when you look at the actual results, we supported those inflationary bills. don't take my word for it.

we have democrat economists. larry summers. he worked for clinton, works for obama. how do we further make congress to the american people so you can put food on the table. we need to ensure we can continue with the tax cuts we did in 2017. i wants. to give people a social security tax cut. people relyy on social security and they should not have to pay taxes on those. those working hard on the restaurants i usedo to work the they should be able to keep their tipss tax-free. >> thank you. a minute and a half. the cost of everything. i say that as somebody that is a working class parent. my wife and i are figuring out how to make things work right now. my parents did the exact same thing. this is the reason why my career in the legislature voted for $6 billion worth of tax cuts.

also the reason why we have been balancing budgets with the focus on getting money back to you. also the reason why i got named a taxpayer defender by conservative organization. itt also matters that when congressman bacon has shown up, the deficit is actually continuing to rise. voting against the middle class tax cut. caring about the middle class these past eight years he has said no. when it a comes to actually savg money. when it comes to lowering the prescriptionow drug costs he has voted against it. and when it comes to middle-class tax cuts voting to raise the taxes. this followed this november. because at the end of the day your pocketbooks and wallets how much we can actually save you is ultimately what matters the most because of my record in the legislature i believe not only do i have the experience to get that done for you, but we can no longer afford to have

congressman dakin voting against middle-class families when he says he does. >> 45 seconds. >> tony is full of phony baloney tonight. i've never voted to raise taxes on the middle class. folks know that the he talks about his parents working on the factory lines. going inrc to join the air force served. in the unicameral that he was a defender. i will take his word for it. don't takeor my word for it. a 20% tax cut and $100,000 earner. i gave them a tax cut. senator vargas, 45 seconds. >> thank you.

it is the middle tax middle-class tax cuts. it has been very, very clear that that is most important to congressman bacon. look, it is not surprising to me when don bacon has shown up for these last eight years, he has voted with donald trump almost the majority of the time. he refuses to stand up to his party when t it comes to these kinds of economic packages. i think that it matters, yes, he has increased taxes. he has voted against issues that have made it possible for you to put money in your pockets against low prescription drug costs and against lowering the cost of health insurance premiums. that matterse and we want to mae sure we hold you accountable this fall. >> thank you, sir. next question. >> talking about how average home prices drop from 200,000 to 280,000 in omaha in the last 40 years. the policies would you put in

place to try to slow down the housing market. >> why don't you go first on this. housing is very important to me. the first time they bought the first house, it was everything. that was the american dream. in addition to cutting $6 billion worth of taxes and also voting for those tax cuts that actually pass we balance budgets and when we were focusing on economic projects, actually worked on housing industries thate reduce regulations for housing and invested in our next generation of housing t options to lower te cost. and we were not done. i sponsored, actually pass more than $200 million worth of housing initiatives because own to make sure that it is easier.

i want to make sure that what happens when congressman bacon is in his office. i want to lower your cost for your first time homebuyers and for more options for housing when he bosa gets a middle-class tax cutea and increases cost. especially families with children. that's why want to focus on the middle class tax cut. unfortunately when congressman bacon voted to take away coverage for 700,000 nebraskans, coveragein conditions. he cares a lot less about your pocketbooks. >> thank you, congressman. >> tried to scoop manure a lot when i was on a farm. it is so much baloney. i voted for the aca protecting pre-existing conditions. just some particulars on what i

was talking about. we have lower your taxes. you payay taxes today by percentage. i voted for those tax cuts. in contrast the largest tax increase in the history of this state. taking us from the 16th highest income tax state to the fifth. talking about housing. i support legislation for manufacturer homes. they are a third less expensive than regular homes. i am also supportive of land banks. fixing up properties that have been vacated or just in shambles by the way, in the unicameral they have this boat and tony did not vote t at all. whether 20% of the h vote that e did not, tax incentives to help clean up