so the odds are kamala harris will win the popular vote. we have a system in this country based on a period in which the american people don't elect a president. the electoral college lx and the president so you can lose an election in which hillary clinton got 3 million more votes and the only way for kamala harris to win the election is to get 4 million or more additional votes over donald trump regarding nope and i don't make predictions but i can make to kamala harris will win the popular vote and will be the second highest percentage of voters for kamala harris. it won't. be them and i just wat to throw that out there. so the question is framed in a way that only has one side be

accountable for standing up and being adults and pretending like the losing side in a football game. only one side is required to do that. we no kamala r harris wins a 3 million votes and does not become president she will concede. that's a no-brainer. we also know if donald trump does not win the election he will not concede that he will proceed to try to bring us to civil war and try to drag the election to court and tryh to have mike johnson make imprisoned or john roberts make him president. we know where it's going and i think we need to examine the system that does not allow the winner of the poplar vote to become president. if vice president harris once in democrats a when the house in te senate wade davis hears conversation about the state of our democracy because it is lacking and the last thing i will say if donald trump does when there won't be a democrats go back to figure out how to get

more voterss and figure out how to change their positions. there will be camps. there will be project 2025. there could be arrested people like adam schiff. there could be nancy pelosi being hauled off to jail. and if you don't think thatif is possible than you really don't understand there is no american exceptionalism which is a country like every other country.tr if you ran against seco's party you went to jail. that happened to my father. maduro is putting people in jail it's on your whatsapp if they find things you are saying against maduro. that's happening in our country.ng these are happening in our neighborhoods. our democracy is much more like a latinde american democracy thn it is like england or germany were part of europe.

we are a latin american country so everything you see happening in brazil venezuela it can all happen here. there is an going to an opportunity for vice president harris to be the bigger party because we will be fighting for our survival in a democracy and some will be fighting for their actual survival. the question misses the point because of kamala harris doesn't when it's not clear there will be in maduro so that's the stakes unfortunately. >> he is going to declare victory regardless so he can end this out right if it looks like harris is warning it will go on for weeks and he will try to bring the country down vermont. everyone needs to prepare for that. i fear a bus comptroller with this panel. [laughter]

>> i love living in a vigorous democracy.on there's so many great questions and i want to thank joyan and robbie for a wonderful powerpoint. i want to say two things, there's a book that looks at the careers of stan greenberg -- to pollsters and it made me realize why this project is important. i apologized by the way we wanted to have platinum 50th anniversary for coins for everyone who attended they who attended day. a we don't work that way and we ran on the money so we could do that. thank you for joining us on this anniversary. what can put in my head is people at polls all the time there's a problem with an obsession of who is up and who's down tomorrow. polls really are about democracy itself because if you study public opinion you are studying

to understand how people think ande why they think what they think and if you disagree with public opinion your job and a democracy is to figure out how to persuade people to change their minds. so on this question of democracy one of my favorite book titles with larry o'brien of former chair of the democratic national committee. his book was called no final victories. when democracy works that's a great thing about democracy. if there are no final victories, there are no final defeats and you can fight again and you can win the next time. you can persuade people next time. i want to congratulate our panel and this project we have had going for so long and let's all for a democratic republic. thank you so very much. [applause]

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>> good afternoon everyone. thank you very much for your patience today. the few things at the top and we will get right to your questions. first as you are where israel confirmed the death of the leader of hamas terrorist group yahya sinwar. this is clearly a significant development in a major counterterrorism achievement. we saw on the readout secretary austin spoke earlier today with israeli minister of defense to discuss the reports on the killing of sinwar to get an update. the idf is working to confirm it. ..

military forces including u.s. military are two bombers conducted prescription strikes hunt five pardon storage locations in houthi controlled areas of yemen for u.s. targeted several of the under ground facilities housing weapons components of the types the houthi have used to target military vessels throughout the region. u.s. central command is still conducting postal strike assessment. i do not have any details to provide on that front other than to say wheat struck exactly what we intended to hit. will provide updates as appropriate. secretary also highlighted in his statement last night the employment of the b2 bomber was

a unique demonstration of the nine states ability to target facilities or adversaries to seek to keep out of reach in a manner how deep buried underground, hardened or fortified. u.s. global strike capabilities to take action against these targets when necessary, anytime anywhere. also sends a clear message to the houthi the big consequences consequences fortheir illegal as attacks which put innocent lives at risk. shifting gears, secretary austin arrived yesterday in brussels and today participated the isis ministerial. first session productive meeting of the nato ukraine counsel. in his opening remarks, secretary austin highlighted the work over the last decade of the global coalition to defeat isis. and i quote for 10 years this coalition has tackled the scourge of isis. our success stems from our resolve. our commitment to working together in our willingness to

adapt. core elements will remain at the heart and the next phase of our mission." tomorrow secretary austin will participate in the second session of the nato defense material on a gauge of the nato counterparts to strengthening the collective security of the alliance. international support ukraine's defense rate will provide readouts and updates on the secretary's engagements throughout his troubles. finally department of defense is fully engaged with fema whole of government relief efforts related to hurricanes helene and milton will continue to work at the federal, state, local partners to make sure our supporting and coordinate response efforts in support of our fellow americans. as of earlier today and the national guard is more than 4200 guardsmen, 600 high water vehicles, helicopters more than a daughter doesn't watercraft mobilize for the response and recovery mission following hurricane milton. u.s. army corps of engineers has approximate four and 50 people supporting temporary roof support, infrastructure, debris control flood response and more.

menaul department support for u.s. government's combined response hurricane humming continues as well. national guard is roughly 2500 guardsmen, 65 high water vehicles, 11 helicopters from 13 states mobilize. actually the shoulders are mobilized as well working federal, state, local partners on coordinate response efforts. active duty forces have engaged in road clearing, commodity distribution axes to isolate a personnel. the army corps of engineers has more than 500 personnel engaged in 33 missions across the region supporting debris control, temperate power, infrastructure assessment, flood control safe waterways assessment. secretary austin continues to receive updates on the response efforts in the department continues to engage enter agency partners in support of fema, though i have state and local government. secretary steamer focus on dod personnel and their families who may be impacted by the

hurricanes. and with that i be glad to take your questions but will start with the associated press, tara. >> has plans a talk with the minister gallant later on today now the deaths have been confirmed? does this death create a greater opportunity for cease-fire when you see secretary austin prospect for that with his counterpart? looks i do not have a call to announce now. as you can i'm sure you can imagine at the earliest opportunity again we will read that out when it happens. in terms of the opportunities that this it presents, i would highlight the president's statement where he highlighted the fact there is now an opportunity for a day after in gaza. it doesn't present an opportunity for cease-fire. it presents an opportunity for that release of the remaining hostages and of course we will continue to work toward that.

>> secondly last night is there another aircraft that could have great munitions the b2 delivered? and if so why is the b2 instead of something that was closer to the region? >> a couple of things on that. first about the u.s. military as you know we have a wide range of aviation capability that can curate a wide assortment of munitions. b2 in particular though has a large payload. the ability to operate around the world as i highlighted in the top or we can strike anywhere any time. this particular strike using its unique capability and ability to carry a large payload. to deliver munitions could penetrate and strike the deep underground facilities storing components the houthi scene have been using. a very clear message that we can strike targets of this nature

anytime, anywhere from around the world thank you. >> general want the last time the u.s. had a read on where he was and do you still have troops helping with intel sharing on the ground in israel? >> as you can appreciate i'm not going to be able to discuss specific intelligence as you highlight and as the president's statement highlighted. we have had special operation forces and intelligence personnel supporting israel's hostage recovery efforts. advising on their hostage recovery efforts since shortly october 7. in that regard by providing them this information the israelis have been able to go after and look for hostages. as well as find those who have been holding them hostage to include. >> in terms of the b2 strike, have you struck these targets before with other aircraft ammunitions had to go back and use the b2 or is this a repeat strike?

>> to my knowledge this was not a repeat strike. again this was to go after very specific capabilities the houthi were storing deep underground. >> was responsible 23 missiles fired on september 27 at the u.s. destroyer? >> up so they response to the continued illegal or reckless action that we see by the houthi as you know this is not the first time we struck but certainly these were unique targets in the sense their deep underground targets. >> one question on israel. did the special operations provide any information or intelligence that was used as part of the operations around the killing? >> my understanding is in the short answer this was an israeli operation u.s. forces were not directly involved. as we have highlight weave a small number special operations advise the israelis on hostage

recovery efforts. that included working side-by-side with israeli counterparts to help locate and track other hamas leaders hiding in gaza who been holding people, including americans hostage since october 7, last year. >> is if information generated by special operations led to previous killings of hamas leaders? >> i'm not going to speak about intelligence. just highlight what i told her in terms of sharing intelligence and information in support of hostage recovery efforts in tracking those who have been holding individuals to include americans hostage in big trucks just a quick question on the beaches in the second and put out a statement last night saying was seeking to essentially place these in deep underground and hardened bunkers, you have not used the word iran but that's a very

clear message to our run with underground nuclear facilities. >> is a highlight of my top or it certainly a message to the houthi seats and anyone else, potential adversaries that hide things deep underground. the message to them as well. >> what are the unique capabilities is the b2 can care massive penetrator, the 30,000 pound bomb that can go deep, deep, deep was that used for the first time here? >> yes, for operation security reasons i am just not going to be able to get in the type of ordinance that was employed in this mission. again, the b2 is a very versatile aircraft. it can carry a wide range of munitions tailored for the particular operation that it has been tasked to do. and i will just leave it there. >> has a bad battery arrived and is it now fully integrated with israel's defense system? it's all they'd statement earlier in the week troops have begun to arrive in israel the components have begun to arrive

in israel. it's going to be fully operations capable near future i'm not going to into the specific dates for operation security. i will say has been integrated into the israeli air defense as well as her broader u.s. efforts regionally to support the defense of israel progressed to navy destroyers are swapped out with navy destroyers for air defense and provide an umbrella? >> the way it works is from a theater standpoint. the u.s. works closely with israel and other partners when it comes to things like air defense to coordinate. to exchange information to ensure we have a holistic picture and can respond to contingencies throughout the area of responsibility. to include supporting the defense of israel. >> let me go, yes,. [inaudible] >> thank you very much for this

administration has been saying hamas has launched that is why israel but the cease-fire preaching the vice president said hamas has been decimated. would you say to your israeli government that if they made the decision to agree to a decision today that would not be a silly militarily? is a sure you can appreciate i am not going to provide military to military advice from the podium to our israeli counterparts. to your point hamas has been incredibly integrated as evidence by the killing of their leader. a significant number of the forces and certainly do not resemble anything close to what they were on october 7 are the ability to conduct the operations resolve them. i leave it to the israelis to

talk about their plans as it relates to hamas. as i highlighted earlier in the president highlighted the killing and the death certainly does present an opportunity and i will leave it there. >> one quick follow-up. as far as i understand this administration thanks it makes sense right now to agree to a cease-fire? thanks scan on the department of defense broadly speaking we amply supported cease-fire so we can ensure humanitarian assistance is getting into gaza. the palestinian people can see a restoration and stability we also recognize the threat posed. we'll continue to consult with israel and the partners in the region. we are racing to see a cease-fire as soon as possible. most importantly the release of the hostages that continue to be held.

>> he had american blood on his hands by the vice president was willing to go a little further than you will say american special operations and intelligence personnel or close with israeli counterparts to locate and track. he is dead now we are not at risk of foiling any sort of intelligence about that. you're not willing to give us any idea? as i'm not sure what i said that's contrary to that. when i was asked was the direct u.s. involvement in this particular is really operation and i said no. >> u.s. special forces or intelligence know where he was? >> again i'm not going to get into intelligence. what i'm telling you this is his and really operation we have been sharing information and intelligence in support of hostage recovery efforts on the tracking of these leaders who have been holding hostages to include americans. it helped to inform operations

and general or at large certainly it has played a role in terms of this particular what happened today or at last night it's an important question. >> and i just answered it. >> i know you said the secretary spoke to the israeli counterpart did the secretary is a received a day after is that correct? from a department of defense standpoint we are continuing to talk with our israeli counterparts in terms of what that would look like. more follow on them. >> is a department think there's anything more to be done militarily on the israeli point of view? >> is a question for the

israelis. we've been very clear for a cease-fire. have a significant flow of humanitarian assistance into gaza. we went to ensure hamas is not in a position to conduct so they're down for account. i will defer to the israelis to talk about their comfort level n that. >> a quick last one. what's a secretary going to do. >> official visit. had a strong resilience what is different now? why this administration would

remove a significant obstacle? >> as you highlight and this is always a challenge of terrorist organizations. you remove the head and another quickly replaces. i am certain as will we cannot discount the significance from a counterterrorism standpoint this role played in leading this organization also as the architect so to speak of the october seven attack against israel is significant he has been taken off the battlefield. let me go to the phone real quick. >> thank you for your time. i wanted to get your assessment. does the pentagon have a with the death whether this is a

particular dangerous time for u.s. troops whether you anticipate any retaliation by any retaliation by i cannot predict the future and i'm not going to speculate. we already know that middle east is an intense situation right now and have taken significant steps as well as our will continue to keep her head on a swivel and be ready to respond to any variety of contingencies should they arise. we go to phil stewart, reuters. >> yes hi. sorry to go over this again but i'm a little confused. but as a target for intelligence community. the common today suggest did

have a fix on him at some point and you may have contributed to the intelligence of picture that led to this operation. so, could you just explain you suggesting. >> what i am suggesting is just to be crystal clear it was an israeli operation. note u.s. forces are directly involved. united states has helped contribute intelligence as it relates to hostage recovery and the tracking and locating of hamas leaders who have been responsible for holding hostages. so that contributes in general to the picture. again it's an israeli operation. i refer you to them to talk about the details of how the operation went down. thank you. let me go to howard.

>> hey, thanks really appreciate it. a couple questions about ukraine. one, what is a pentagon's the pentagon'sassessment of howh korean troops are in russia ready to fight in ukraine? and secondly, what is the pentagon's assessment of how the incursion is going? there's some reports they've lost half the territory. what is the pentagon's assistance of both of those things. >> definitely seen the reporting and the comments about potential forces going to russia are going to ukraine. i can tell you we are looking into those we cannot confirm or corroborate those reports. if true that would demonstrate an increase in the cooperation between russia and north korea.

i think that would also demonstrate this situation russia finds itself in. the dire situation finds itself in, in terms of its forces on the battlefield could you have heard of fake casualties russia has experienced are extremely significant upwards of 600,000 killed or wounded. and demonstrates the desperation of identifying additional forces for their military. but something will keep a close eye on parents are your second question clark. >> some are reporting ukraine has lost about half the territory it gained in the incursion. i want to know pentagon's assessment how that's going? space on the information i have that is not accurate. there has been incremental small amount of territory retaken by

the russians are. but in this stage now think we would consider significant. okay, come back to the room here. quick think in general per the present statement he used very active language in terms of the involvement of the u.s. intelligence in providing this information to the israeli side. this cooperation was september 7 until now. was it a two way intelligence sharing are only giving them information that you have? >> as we have said before and we talked about this publicly. we sent a small number special operation forces to israel to work out of the embassy to support testament to advise hostage recovery efforts. remember they are american citizens being held hostage. it is appropriate american forces to be assisting and

advising the israelis on those recovery efforts. >> is comparing this so it sounds like the u.s. sees this the killing of the group that was responsible about attack which israel used to show it as 911 of israel. so, do you think this is going to be an opportunity to cease-fire? >> again, the president's statement speaks for itself. i already highlighted in that statement, he highlights the fact this is an opportunity for a day after in gaza without hamas. so i will leave it there. >> constantine. >> getting back to the deployments as you say most appears to now be in israel but are you able to offer any more

specifics to what the unit is or where they came from? i don't have more to provide fuel for the podium other to say that unit did deploy from the u.s. it is an air defense capability that will be integrated into the broader air defense capabilities we are providing in the support of israel's defense. >> thanks. as we sort of look forward to israel's future, he said the flow of humanitarian aid is important to resume. this idea do you see a significant role in getting that humanitarian aid to israel? >> right now from a u.s. u.s.government standpoint, of ce usaid is the lead organization u.s. efforts to get aid in there. certainly the department helps to advise and will support as necessary to include on the diplomatic front.

you have seen the sum of our readouts recently from secretary austin's conversation it has been a topic of discussion and continues to be an important topic of discussion. i don't have anything to announce now but if that changes will let you know. >> president zelenskyy said the latest inspector including weapons what was the attack he also specify which round of ammunition were included? looks a push at the question but were not going to build to go into more detail beyond what was in the readout. >> has only does the support the plan that he presented specifically when he comes to lifting restrictions on strikes in a russia and ukraine? >> i know that nato defense ministerial consultations with

the ukrainian counterpart we continue to learn more about the president's victory plan. i can so it secretary alton does support is ukraine's succession of in terms of defending their sovereign territory and the ukrainian people. we are going to continue to work closely with the ukrainians. close to other allies and partners may be possible as they agree. >> i do have a thing to provide on that of them were going to continue to support ukraine for the long haul. going to continue to ensure we understand and are understating their battlefield requirements. >> the report said there is a's facility where he was.

did they know what kind of tank grant weathers u.s. provided one? what what in israel. i like to have the department is considering also to appoint any sort of defense of their citizens in lebanon? oxide do not have any new announcements to make. by virtue of the fact destroyers and other capabilities in the region was certainly again in place of safety and security of american citizens. whether they be in lebanon or israel at the top of the party list. on so we continue to work very hard to ensure all americans are safe. oh, by the way, as we see iranian houthi missiles that are heading towards israel or towards that vicinity of the capability to take those down.

i would emphasize regardless of our american citizens are it's t 20th top priority for. >> are there any forced changes and why in terms of. >> no announcements to make. i highlighted earlier we have a robust posture in the region. we will continue to do everything we can to protect americans. protect u.s. forces in support the defense of israel. time for a few more. >> on russia, north korea and ukraine. [inaudible] with two asked to provide case

of. [inaudible] how does the united states and conflict? >> you know, i would say again will continue to work closely with our allies. i'll leave it there. >> ukraine and prison soon skiing. [inaudible] in the russian far east. and into ukraine. not only the war. [inaudible]

>> i think i responded to that earlier again we have seen those reports of. i cannot confirm whether there is north korean forces that have gone to russia. something that we will continue to monitor pretty quiet last question i'll go to jeff. >> thanks. given the news cycle you could announce anything about aliens or extraterrestrial life and no one would care. i'm going to take the shot, what have you got out ufos, aliens, et cetera? >> go precook the truth is out there, jeff. the truth is we have no evidence to indicate extraterrestrial life's visit to the planet. thank you very much everybody, appreciated. >> more fro camping 2024 next with our live coverage of the debate between candidates to be massachusetts next u.s. senator. then we turn to the u.s house candidates to represent new york's 22nd district face-off.

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>> recent look at news consumption from those they surveyed and were they basically get those, news from, when it looks at platforms, take a look at 2024, when we take the topic of digital devices, 557% of voice responding,of that's what theyey choose most in 2024. 29% they sometimes use throes, it's in the single digits when it comes to never and rarely categories. when it comes to television, only 33% of those in 2024 saying that's where they get their news from, 31% saying that sometimes where they get their news and --

>> 25% actually saying they get their news in 2024 from throes sites sometimes on social media, social media 18% and in the never category, that's 28% of those responding saying when it comes to news consumption social media is not it. that's just some of the folks from pew saying that. you can tell us where the flews is saying that. there's other forms too. if you want to let us kno it's 202-74-8800 for republicans, again, if you want to text us you can do at 202-74-8003 or

economist on social media sites on facebook, where do you go for political flews, let's start with kendra, sleeves in virginia, independent line, go ahead. >> good morning, i am -- i mostly get my news from -- i try to find stations that will unbiased so i have been watching c-span, washington journal for over ten years now. i used to watch cnn and then i stopped because i realized they were really left-leaning and then my most recent station that in watched i guess since 2021 s news nation, that is the station i watch mostly in the evenings to get my news from. >> when yout watch, kendra, you

said you look for bias, what is it in the -- >> unbiased. >> unbiased, thank you. what is it in the news coverage that you look for, okay, i will stay with the station, okay, maybe i'm not going to stay with the stags? >> i just want to make sure that they are covering as far as like political news, i just want to maketo sure that they're coverig things fairly like i don't want them to just cover one person employees of the time. i want them and then i bring on guests. i prefer that they bring someone that's going to talk about, you flow, one candidate or -- and then have another person that's going to talk about the other candidate, not just bringing someone on that's just going bash one candidate or, you florida, i just want to make sure that whoever they bring on

there's views from both political sides. >> okay. >> that's what i lookk for. >> kendra there in virginia. thank you, let's hear from an plea in connecticut, democrats line. >> good morning. i usually go straight to c-span and i also listen to msnbc and cnn this my local channel which is cbs. i like to say that when -- file the procedure a lot of us don't know that -- now i have to register all over again. i'm 77. [inaudible] >> but they should talk a little bit more on television to let us know that you have to register follow some places again and i also like to say, i only have one time to talk so i'm trying to say all i have to say flow. i think president biden come up with a task force to study all

of the gases that are being dumped into the ozone, the reason we are having hurricanes or something, the study on what the spaceships are dumping out. >> we have resolved our technical issues and we will take now you back live to the massachusetts senate debate. >> we could have spent medicaid money and expanded medicaid in the states that didn't adopt it giving millions of more people health insurance for 20 years, okay, it's been 30 years since few pack said it but i will say it now, they have money for war but can't feed the poor. >> 90 seconds. >> so keep in mind that what mrt fund ukraine. i said on the senate armed services committee, i have been to ukraine. i have let more than once with president zelenskyy, the ukrainians are fighting the front line war for democracy.

anyone who thinks that we can turn our backs to ukraine and vladimir putin won't take the whether or not he will country and after lee takes that country take another and another and another is just kidding themselves. i want to give real cheddar here actually to joe biden basile is somebody who pulled together all of the nations of europe to say, we are going to support ukraine because we understand that if putin takes ukraine least coming from poland,est estonia and the other nations in europe. we are a partner for ukraine as they fight for democracy. i think that's powerfully important. you know, this is -- the question we have to ask ourselves is why are the handful of republicans who have turned their backs on ukraine and the answer is because donald trump is still angry with ukraine

because ukraine wouldn't help him try to dig up dirt on joe biden back when donald trump was president. remember, that originally the republicans were all in for ukraine and threaten this extremist group broke off and said, no, no, no, trump doesn't like it. >> we have to leave it there. if you were elect today the senate would you be no vote future considerations of aid to ukraine. >> my vote las to be earned. i want to know what the plan is. in the first month of the invasion, vladimir putin was willing to back out, go back to russia as long as zelenskyy agreed that ukraine would not --entered flato. i want to know what the plan is.

the american people deserve what the plan is and just coming back every six months and giving billions and billions of billions of dollars when people can't pate their rent, i just want to know the plan. no one is articulating the plan. the american people deserve transparency for 50 plus years, it wasn't in america's vital interest for ukraine to be follow nato. why is it so important today. i want that answer. maybe the senator can share with us why it is so vital follow frm america's interest that ukraine needs to be member of nato. >> let's be clear, he has been quoted in the press saying he will not support funding for ukraine. >> that's not true. >> that's what the press has said. >> find it. >> because he wants to know the plan, we will make the plan clear, we are going to push back and fight back against vladimir putin's invasion of a neighbor.

that's a violation of international law and if mr. deaton wants to be appeaser, then he can take that label but we stand up and fight back for the boundaries that exist and we do not support vladimir putin taking over ukraine. >> next question. >> we are going to move onto a different topic and one that's of local person in massachusetts, a long talk -- long talked about issue is east -- west-east rail expanded passenger rail service, boston, unlock jobs and housing opportunities as well. senator, i will start with you first for the next 90 seconds, if you're reelected what would you do to help make this a reality? >> i'm all follow for east-west trail. transform the economy and western mass but every part of massachusetts. look, i will tell you what it's going to take to get it done.

i worked with richie neil on this and we are laying the foundation for this. we have been working on this for years but leer is the problem, republicans have blocked doing a really big infrastructure bill and the kind of money we are going to need for east-west rail to get it right and make it work is going to take the significant investment. remember when donald trump was president, how infrastructure week was the punch line to a joke on late night television and that was because you couldn't get the republicans to come along and actually build up the kind of infrastructure we need. we've had under investment in infrastructure for years, finally, finally, in the two years that donald trump -- that joe biden was president and democrats lad control of both house and the senate, we got the biggest infrastructure package in history, actually passed

through and that means we have started the money for building out the plans for east-west rail. i flow that richie neil is committed to this. i am committed to this. we know the governor is committed to this, we are going to get the money together and we will get this done. >> mr. deaton, 90 seconds to respond. >> during this debate and last debate every time elizabeth warren speaks follow her sentences, there's a verb, there's a noun and trump follow it. you will see that repeatedly but on this specific issue obviously i believe this is very critical for western mass. this is what it can do for the state. we have a housing problem in massachusetts and greater boston, $980,000 for the median home price. if you go statewide, it's 650,000. that's 200,000 more than the national average. so people are being priced out of the economy and this thing we

are now the second most expensive state to live in for working families and i see incorporating western mass is a way to alleviate that so, yeah, obviously it's going to come down to funding but senator warren and i can certainly agree that we need to invest in western mass. also alternative energy, it's scheming to be part of alternative energy, reflewable, wind, solar, even a small limited nuclear here in western mass, we could get hydro from canada, it would create jobs and help the economy. i'm all for it. we've got to do it. it would alleviate all kinds of/not just for western mass but for the entire state. >> senator, you have one minute. >> i am glad to hear mr. deaton endorse east-west rail. that's why i'm in the fight

along richie neil to make sure we get colleagues in washington to sign off on this so we can actually get the funding for it and part of the way we get that funding is when democrats can stay in the majority in the senate and in the house in order to get this done, but i want to hit something else that mr. dayton raised and that is housing prices, absolutely right, housing prices were out of control. we have been sitting around for 40 years talking about how housing prices keep going up and up and truly reached crisis proportions. it is time for the federal government to make an investment and to partner up and that's why i have mayors all around western pass saying i want to be part of that, the warren plan is a plan to build more housing and bring down costs. mr. dayton's plan is to say what the private market fix it like it's fixed for the last 40 years. >> final 30 seconds with this one. >> she believes that the government is the solution to

all problems of society and she believes that every issue, i'm surprised she didn't say, oh, we are going to fund it by -- tax the wealthy because everything single thing she says, climate change, housing, education, every issue is taxed the wealthy, right, and she didn't say that and i'm curious but, listen, the bottom line is, the government is the problem most of the time, builders are taking two years just to get building permits, we have to cut the red tape and tax credits for those builders. >> thank you. >> we have to move onto the issue of public trust, mr. deaton this is for you. because you haven't held elected offense, we don't know much of your record. what we do know comes from the book and the stairs that you've shared publicly, one of them is regarding incident involving one of your sick lynx where missed law enforcement knowing you wouldn't be called to testify as marine prosecutor living in a different state. in your book, quote, although i lie today the cops i wasn't

under oath and wouldn't lie for what my sister didn't do. in this specific case, lied to law enforcement, why should people trust you? >> listen, i would encourage all those voters to read my book and they would learn i come from extreme poverty, single mother in welfare, living in the single worst dangerous neighborhoods in america. my mother was stabbed when i was 6 in front of you, for 2 years i was raped bring a predator, at 17 my best friend died in my arms from a drive-by shooting and first day of high school i had gun shoved in my mouth and i was a high school dropout. i got lucky, principal gave me a chance and quite frankly saved my life and he made me earn it and worked my way through college, law school, and boston and the marine close me than any other law schools to represent the common wealth. 20 years of active duty and for

22 years i've been representing working families. senator warren represents bankers. i represent plumbers going against the biggest corporations in the world and i've done it for cancer victims. i'm a small business owner. i am a proud father of 3 daughters and i am the american dream and when you look at the senate, you don't see someone like that, you don't see someone who has overcome poverty, someone who knows what the daily struggles of everyday people are and i do and it's time we send someone like that to the senate. my sister got oded twice, do i save my sister's life and i chose that decision to save her life and my sister text me that i saved her life, tina, how are you? i know you're watching. she text me, john, i'm proud of you, you did good job in the first debate. i know what it's like to struggle and i will work for everyone that's watching right now. i will dedicate myself -- >> senator warren you have 90

seconds. >> i think this is a question of trust and i'm glad you asked that question. you know, when john deaton was arrested for assault at a kid's football game, the arresting officer and john dayton told them to back off because he john dayton knew all the judges and when the officer decided that he was going to go ahead and put him in the car, take him downtown and book him, john dayton told the officer that he made so much money that he paid more in taxes every year than the police officer earned in his annual salary. i think it's a fundamental question here about who you can trust and i think you can't trust someone like john dayton with power. i appreciate that john dayton grew up in a really poor family and under really poor circumstances and i have some sense of what it's like to listen to your mother cry because she can't pay the bills and worried you're going to lose

your housing but the question is, what do you take away from that? for me i will tell you exactly what i take away from it, i've spent my whole life fighting for working families. john dayton, i think we know the story, he takes care of himself first. take a look at his tax returns, worth what, tens of millions of dollars, maybe a hundred million dollars and he couldn't find more than $56 to give to charity across two years. there really is a question of who you trust to fight for your family or to fight for themselves. people in massachusetts, they know i'm fighting for them. >> mr. deaton, i want to give you a chance to respond and i want to remind you why should the public trust you? >> the public should trust me just like vice president harris interviewed of life experience and i wrote the book and i

explained all of the problems and i'm front going to get into that. i will tell you that that the police endorsed me after reading my book that senator warren referenced. i went before them and agreed with me because the police had an arrest incentive program where they were arresting people based on the energy of arrests, you were getting time off, you were getting money and i sued them and i stopped that and that practice ended. here is the thing, senator warren instead of looking at my life and saying, wow, that's -- that's a good example of someone who came from dirt poverty who was raped as a child for two years, who saw his mother crawl follow the ground and thought he was going to lose her at 6 year's old and watch my mother beaten, beaten over again. let me tell you there, i've made mistakes in my life and owned them but i never claimed to be someone or something i'm not. >> final 30 seconds here. >> so let's be clear here, this

arrest at a kids football game when he told the police officer just how much he thought the police officer was worth, it's not something that happened back in john dayton's youth, it happened not too long ago living in rhode island and what he did after he did this to the police, the police arrested him and prosecuted him, he turned around and sued the police and he lost that lawsuit. that's the part -- >> that's not true. >> that's the part john deaton does not want you to see. he is not someone we can trust. >> senator warren. >> i need -- >> 10 seconds. >> we have -- what senator warren said is not true. it is not true. the case is still -- >> mr. deaton we need to move on. i understand where you're coming from but we have to go to the next question which is for senator warren, during an earlier debate this week you said that you were partially responsible for two hospitals

closing, two questions, how do you respond to these accusations and what role did you play in trying to keep these medical facilities open specifically? >> so understand why these hospitals closed, they closed because private equity came in and sucked a billion dollars in value out of these what originally had been not for profit hospitals. think about how our nurses, what they could have done if the billion dollars had been reinvested in hoes hospitals but they didn't, they took all of that out of the hospitals and basically used it to buy yachts and airplanes. what am i fighting to make sure that private equity does not eat out more of our healthcare system. mr. deaton's complaint is i don't think we ought to have one more giant company come in and buy out our hospitals. we need to get this profit employeetive out of our healthcare system and it's true

for our hospitals. it is true for our pharmacies. it is true for our doctors, practices, it is true for our nurses, people who are trying to provide care and keep in mind, if we end up with republican control of the united states senate, these are people who have tried over and over and over to repeal the affordable care act. donald trump says he's coming from it again. that will cost massachusetts billions of dollars and result in more hospital closures here. we need to support our healthcare system, not tear it apart the way mr. deaton and the extremist republicans want to do. >> what could or should the senator have done in this instance to keep these two hospitals open? >> the first thing she says, listen, there was a deal on the table, united healthcare was going to buy the hospitals, she objected to it immediately just to object and we lost carney and

now pregnant women central massachusetts have to drive because she wanted to fit her brand going against companies. senator warren objected to it. i object and hundreds of people lost jobs. she talks about trust. i hope that senator warren, she talks about trust yet proven to be corrupt in washington. senator, are you going to address the fact that she sits on the banking committee and gary who she supposed to oversee and keep responsible hold him accountable she gave him not only the questions but the answers to what she was going to say. she said, here, i'm going to ask you these questions under oath and i want you to give these answers, okay, and then he did it and then senator warren gets on tv, don't take my word for it, gary said it when she's the one that told him. that's corruption to its core and senator warren is guilty.

i prosecuted as prosecutor under 1622 perjury cases and i could convict senator warren like that on this and i hope she addresses that because senator, you are a law professor and i'm going ask you, when you give the student the exam and the answers and then give that student an a, would the professor get fired? >> your minute, senator. >> so let's start with health care with the -- >> not going to deal with gary. >> let's start with health care where this started. >> exactly. >> and that is that twice now my opponent has alleged that united health offered to buy the hospitals. those are not the facts. they offered to buy up the doctor's practice. the hospitals were out there on their own. go back and check the facts but here is the deal, listen to what he says each time. .. .. ..

we should never condemn anyone in the private sector came from poverty inspect food stamps to make it be successful. when you say i did not donate, i sued the sec i won the lawyer of the year award. advocate of the year. we've got to move on for pro bono work. >> editor. we need to move on. >> are you kidding me? that's a charitable contribution? >> senator worn we need to move along here. sing on the issue of healthcare, you said you are the pro-choice candidate in this race. you told our colleague in a recent interview putting a bill on the floor that codified roe v wade to be a top priority for you if you were elected. you've also said you do not support late-term abortion. that's part of the ongoing

debate about what a federal abortion rights bill should and should not include along with questions about fetal viability and religious objections for healthcare workers who do not want to be involved in abortion. can you please describe what specific provisions you would include in federal bill to codify wrote verse wade republican colleagues who vote for? works i cannot tell you whether the republican party colleagues would vote for it. i can say what jon dean would do. something elizabeth warren hasn't done. she talks about it. what i would do is look to massachusetts. massachusetts actually got this right. gives the woman to write up to 22 weeks to have unrestricted access to abortion. after that period of time she is not allowed is that fetal enameling. i viability issue around that time. that is what you support. donald trump, brett kavanaugh,

amy comey barrett, neil gore says, harry reid and senator elizabeth warren. right now i'm going to have my campaign staff too post 2013 media advisory by elizabeth warren. she's going to push harry reid to get rid of the filibuster. in though they were told republicans would then use it for the supreme court. you understand that everyone out there her fingerprints are all over this decision. the supreme court would not look the way it does today if senator warren would have honored the fact in the senate it takes hard work. there's a filibuster rule was in place for over 100 years. it required compromise. senator warren wanted say no. by the way she says she's going to codify wrote you a 51 votes now in the senate. i would encourage you to do it. i'll help you write it. >> that is time. senator worn your response?

>> can you trust who did he vote for from us of encouraging who he named? gore says. one of the people who turned over roe versus wade. who vetoed who got rid of roe versus wade. what did we know about neil courses at the time the vote came up? we know is a lower court judge she does a hobby lobby appeared it was restricted to contraception. we knew he had come from a list that had prescreened as people who would be antiabortion. and, we note 50, 50 anti- groups that support access to abortion had opposed if i had that information, i would have voted for him. and now jon deaton gives us the big defense of the filibuster. it's a filibuster that keeps us

from making roe versus wade law of the land for that is the problem. we cannot pass it with 52 votes because the republican filibuster us. so here's the deal. if republicans are in control of the senate, there will be no bill to make roe versus wade law of the line for 50 folks or 51 or 52, with the republican controlled the senate will have no bill to codify it roe versus wade. that means when they are coming for us in massachusetts, we have no defense. >> hundred thank you. >> i get 30 seconds on this one based on the format? listen on june. >> one minute thank you. june of 2022 it's on the dobbs decision came down for joe biden was president. democrats have the house and they had the senate. they could have codified it. but senator or did not do that. she did not go to the floor and

say i demand every united states senator take a stand right now. do you want to know why? they wanted it for just like donald trump on immigration as an issue but wanted as an election issue for the midterms. they do know it's upset joe manchin of west virginia. i believe in term limits i do not subscribe to sitting back trying to maneuver how we can have controlled the state or that day. i don't care if is a senator in west virginia or republican or democrat. i don't care about them i care about massachusetts. and so john deaton's and a senate as a republican i would've stood up and demanded every united states senator take a stand now. that is what advocacy is not what center at warren is talking about progressing to recheck us back. we have voted on roe versus wade i stood up and said we should vote on it. they probably have because the republicans filibustered it. we could not get the 60 votes.

yes, we put everyone on record. democrats and republicans on where you are on roe versus wade. he's just wrong he does not know what is happening here. but listen to him. when he defends the filibuster and he is doing a sink don't get anything done in the united states appeared. >> what senator warren that's time. mr. deaton this time are going to move on progress going to stay for the court for a moment. you radically different reactions to pair of decisions handed down this past year. the doctor was overturned by the courts it had granted broad authority to regulatory agencies for decades. and the court found presidents have criminal immunity when it comes to exercise in the core powers. senator warner like to start the you and get then go to mr. deaton paid what he think these are too dangerous? >> they are dangerous for two reasons. one is we do not need a dictator in this country we do not want a dictator who founded this

country because we did not want a king. and yet to this extremist supreme court has said donald trump can do whatever he wants to do. as long as he is president they are not going to interfere in the law could not interfere with the central principle in the united states and that is no one is above the law. the chevron doctrine, a little bit down in the weeds are but the basic notion is our agencies need to be able to do their work. so for example the environmental protection agency needs to step set clean air standards. the department of education needs to set standards that special needs kids are getting the services and help that they need. that's true throughout government department of government does landing slots. what it used to do as the courts have to differ. maybe congress did not write

down the parts per million on how much a mercury can be in the air has to be .0003. we left it up to the agency. but the supreme court is doing a saint no we do not want those agencies to function willing to grind government to a halt and put all the power with judges. we cannot run our country that way it will hurt us all. >> mr. deaton you cheered chevron and cheered the reaction to the ruling was premature we should wait and see how things play out. can you elaborate on that? >> listen, notice the agency senator warren did not bring up was a senate exchange commission for earlier i literally looked in her face and respectfully said she is corrupt. this proves it. she had garrett gensler oversees the security she supposed hold them accountable. what she does is because we had a specific agenda and mind and

this is proven by foia request here on my questions i'm going to ask you into an upcoming hearing under oath. here's what i want you to say. and then she asked those exact questions and he gave those exact answers and they are not truthful. then senator warren goes on cnbc and other stations and says don't take my word for it. take the word of the regulator. the expert who is gary gensler who taught at mit. they were her words. she told him what to say chevron ended that. it ended the regulatory capture like a senator warren who do not care about the truth. that only care about an agenda as seen in assisting us at the chart of the district of arizona prosecuted people under this supporting perjury statute but when you encourage someone to not tell the truth in a proceeding she's aptly guilty of that. may seem harsh to me too say it

she did not respond maybe now she will explain to america why that's not corruption because she got a minute that we go back to you. >> is just spinning the whole fantasy story. as oversight of what to make sure that we cover the issues that we need to cover. nobody said anything that was untruthful. and mr. deaton is no evidence of that. there is a reason deaton is very, very focused on the fcc. the reason for that is that is the only agency that seems to have a little wedge on regulating crypto. let us help crypto multibillionaire's accountable when they go out and make wild claims about investments. and how it is a great investment to buy crypto. garrett gensler has been pushing back on that. we need regulations covering crypto but will we have got the

guy who follows the 80, 90, 100 rule, 80% of the value crypto, 90% of its funding from crypto one 100% of his loyalty to crypto it means we are not going to have somebody is going to support the fcc and trying to do their job. >> senator warren we have to leave your remarks there. mr. deaton one more minute pickle access to the united states government because they hurt small time investors. it went viral part 75000 individual token holds not billionaires, people have five grid invested. okay, two grand invested the drum at 627 of them live in massachusetts. we sue the fcc and i said x rp token was legal. and taurus was appointed by barack obama agreed with me. cited might work for it cited the affidavits that i submitted to the court and ruled in my favor instead deaton is right

basically. it gave relief to the individual token holders. now, she keeps on what crypto billionaires. vice president harris was just donated over a million xrt tokens to buy a crypto billionaire that supports me. what do the crypto people expect from vice president harris they don't expect from me? >> met answer that? >> very quickly 15 seconds. >> i think it is a problem when any candidate receives 90% of the funding from there campaign from one industry. whether it is the crypto industry, the oil industry, the pharmaceutical industry, so far as i know mr. deaton is now the all-time champion for having gotten the most funding. >> 15 seconds we really have to move on.

>> senator warren is aptly dying $105 of the average donation prior to a million dollars of my own money in this race. she is talking about crypto billionaires or somebody who did a fund that is about her. she wanted in the industry. [inaudible] [inaudible] next question right next question. >> thank you out of another question for both of you but this is part of our connecting the commonwealth initiative. this question comes from our sister station on the cayman islands. massachusetts recently committed new england's largest desiccant the offshore wind power at the same time, fishing groups and local communities have raised concerns about impacts of the oceans and our coastline. you will both get an opportunity in this. mr. deaton also with you for 90 seconds for two part question. were descent on the push to create an offshore wind economy which has received significant federal funding over the last four years? and would you support the paws

on offshore wind development demand by opponents? >> listen parade this is a problem where people rush without actually thinking about how to do something. this comes out senator warren is wrong. she's the answer to every solution. here's the example. they have created so many regulations that commercial fishermen here in massachusetts have basically been bankrupt and put out of business. literally the chevron decision talked about earlier dealt with the fishermen because the government, people like senator warren said were going to send someone on your boat they're going to count on official catch. you are going to have to pay for it out of your own earnings you may try to support your family but that is insanity is not how you approach things. until we have to have renewable energy in my opinion has refocused in the right areas. for example i brought up western mass.

i believe western mass is the prime place we can establish renewable energy and revitalize its economy and the statement that includes wind, that includes solar, that includes hydro. like i said it includes a limited amount of nuclear. i do support a pause at this point in time. it is just like when the government says here 17 and half billion dollars to build ev charging stations. after three years they did not have one online and only have got seven right now and seven half billion. and meantime and one quarter built 359 of them. so of course the private sector is better. saturday of 90 seconds. >> need to listen to our fishermen. we also do listen to our native nations who are affected by offshore wind offshore wind development. it's important people be compensated. it's important to be fully

consulted. i do not support leaning back on offshore wind. we are in a climate crisis. offshore wind is one of the ways were going to work our way out of that prick go down to new bedford go to the cape and see the development that is coming from this. look, this a big difference in democrats and republicans. we have someone here who says he is a climate denier. that he does not want any of the things it's going to take to move us to a clean energy economy. i'm very proud of the fact that i pass the biggest climate package in the history of the world. it was paid for 15% minimum on corporations playing little or nothing. that has resulted already putting see this out here in western mass 25 new electric school buses already that we have here. the resilience that we are building right now.

this is a part of how we build a clean future and understand this, i am proud of what we have done. but it is not nearly enough. we need to double down on our climate again and again. >> mr. deaton you have will meant to rebut. >> senator warren is nothing but class warfare pushed oxidant billionaires, billionaires. for example 87000 irs agents. what was her answer? it's for the billionaires with a sock what's on the chosen likes liketo which our fax route seveo 35 billionaires living in america. that acumen civil wealth of $4.5 trillion. so senator warren and set of taxing mentalistic all their money for a second for this conversation. 4.5 trillion that we taken them, didn't we could do with them? we could pay our interest alone for four years on the national debt. not a dog is education but not a dog is a climate change but not

a dollar goes to immigration reform. not a dollar goes to anything, it just goes interest but her slogan of tax the rich on everything is just a slogan. by the way 87000 irs agents if it was for the billionaires would only need seven and 35 of them they could be assigned to each billionaire all year long. >> mr. deaton that your time. saturday of the final minute periods. >> the irs agency talking about are the people who are hired to do enforcement against tax cheats who make more than $40000 a year. it is an incredible successful program. in fact, for every dollar invested we are getting somewhere between six and $10 back in revenue from people who just do not even follow the current law because they know under the republican regime the irs does not have the manpower to come after them. look, john deaton stands here

and tells you who he is real is to defend the billionaires and that makes sense. it's the billionaires who are funding his campaign. >> is not true. >> 90% of the money that's moving this campaign forward comes from the crypto industry. in the crypto billionaires are going to expect a big return on their investment if john deaton can take the senate seat brickwork think it center a little more we can get in. >> are both evil and political ambition. senator warren if kamala harris is successful in a presidential run would you consider serving in her administration? if not would you consider running for present yourself in 2028? >> no and no. i'm asking the people of massachusetts to elect the first six-year term it's this six-year term here in massachusetts that i want to serve. the reason for that is because i have worked and i am doing for the people of massachusetts.

this is my opportunity to get more of it done. i got the endorsement from the berkshire eagle's. thank you very much. i sit on the senate armed services committee. we launched our own. i am working heart to hold the department of defense accountable for the ospreys. so other young people do not lose their lives. i have gotten half a billion dollars into our local military installations. mostly in western and central massachusetts. it has touched every single community. soldier on for homeless vets up in pittsfield. the development group right here in springfield that supports these young getting starting businesses. i have also been in the fight for climate which is so

important here. i stood in deerfield in the mud and muck watching the latest flooding. and hope everyone is sitting down because i actually work anw with ted cruz. >> senator warren i have to stop you right there. >> let me at least explain progress and. pray to god to moveon. [inaudible] >> your collaboration santa cruz. >> john deaton you never held in office before why start out with a run for the u.s. senate is supposed to sing for a job in the state legislature? or even then select board? because we are in a crisis with illegal immigration bankrupt in the state we have an opioid addiction killing americans. we have a debt crisis the government's going over a cliff no one's talking about it. we have inflations pricing americans out of the economy. the single greatest crisis we face is a crisis of leadership. you have like senator warren sodas decisive they so division amongst us but that has to

change. senator warren was asked a question why is trump so popular? why is this race close? you know she said? she threw her hands up in disgust and said i just do not get it. i think it is your job center to get up at 74 million americans are not racists and xenophobes. these are good people who think the country is headed in the wrong direction. i realize because i don't support president trump that may be i'm the right messenger for these elites to get them to understand. here you go first, every member of congress take a look in the mirror because you are part of the problem. maybe people are tired of foreign wars. maybe they are tired of working 50 hours a week and cannot pay their bills are being shocked at the grocery store when they get their energy bill. or maybe the parks are becoming crime scenes. maybe they feel betrayed that billions of dollars be spent on migrants who just got here. but, we cannot save carney, wiki don't have any for a wildfires but we don't have any for hurricane victims. maybe they are in disbelief that

today's america seems far better to be an illegal migrant than a homeowner and north carolina has been your all your life. maybe now you get it. ask 30 seconds to rebut. >> you just turn john deaton say said he does not support trump. and yet, less than a year ago he actually posted online he would vote for donald trump under joe biden. he said he liked donald trump's foreign policy better than he likes joe biden's. >> i will drop out of. [inaudible] >> can i get my time i am reclaiming my time here. he hasn't said he liked donald trump's foreign policy better than he likes joe biden's. he has said he likes donald trump's economic policy better than he likes joe biden. and, is now coming for the people of massachusetts and just tell a different story? >> 30 seconds to mr. deaton. >> senator warren just looked you on the face and lied she lucia she lied about her

heritage and how she got into harvard but she lied to have been the biggest critic of donald trump than anyone. go on my x account in search trump. it was published in the boston herald of all the things i've said. he might be the worst human being alive and all these things forget senator warren looks you in the face on makes boldfaced lies. that's why i'm running to answer your question, to replace it people like senator warren who do not have the commitment to the truth. pick the kite let's leave that exchange therapy we are near the end of the campaign will then shift up the format increase the plate pace into a lightning round. quick answers from each of you on the same questions. starting with you senator warren other than springfield what is your favorite spot in western massachusetts? >> jacobs pillow. >> deaton? >> the pits but we think of a client that represented that work to the ge plants that had mesothelioma. i took on general electric and

got victims compensated pittsfield. got somebody save the per second period name a political role model who is currently in office? >> currently in office? alex amy klobuchar for example because she is a moderate. >> are from minnesota because she's a role model. >> that are warren a role model? next i give a lot of credit to president zelenskyy. he's been on the front lines for three years because you've given them a lot of money too. >> no crosstalk is allowed. quick summer on the front lines fighting for democracy because his question for a masters it oflegalized and psychedelic senator warren to you support question okay yes but i want to say it's going to take a period to get into it. got to get the right regulations in place to make sure people are safe. >> all right john deaton question was ogo with the pillow from el salvador than incentive zelenskyy as it relates to this i vote no.

we've got to deal their opioid problem with the fentanyl that's coming across this country. they are pushing it too far too fast. i am in no one except medical prescription by doctor parikh likes both of our transponder elsewhere what is one thing you really did not appreciate about massachusetts until you lived here? john tim walz -- deaton precooked you do not appreciate that she lived here. >> 's seafood. >> center warren. >> beautiful trees a group and a part of the world that doesn't have a lot of beautiful trees. massachusetts in the berkshires is truly magical. >> the final question for both of you, senator warren what kind of candy a good getting up for halloween? >> the mountains and almond joy if we can find it but sometimes it's hard to find. >> all right john deaton questionnaire. >> reese's cups and less i eat them all. i'm wrong with 30 seconds left. i'll throw one more attitude. if you do not win this race,

what is your consolation meal going to be john deaton? >> probably chicken nuggets with my daughter layla this campaign is taken me away from her. hi honey. >> all right consider warren your consolation dinner? >> is probably going to beat something at frank's. with the franchise on the side picked a great place and cambric progress you can tell my mind is on food is got in late. that's going to close our debate. want to thank the candidate senator elizabeth warren and john deaton for participating. thank you to all of our audience per election day is november 5. make sure you vote. good night. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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powered by cable. >> now a debate between the candidates running to represent new york's 22nd congressional district which includes siracusa. incumbent republican congressman brandon williams is seeking a second term ainst his democratic challenger john mannion represeative ones is consered one the most vulnerable republican incumbents in this election cycle. the nonpartisan cook political report with amy wter rated the race lean democrat. the debate hosd by w see why tb in syracuse. >> good evening and welcome to wc ny debate for new york's 22nd congressional district. host of the wc ny capitol pressroom and connect your new york return means 30 republican dirtyrepublican congressman bran williams democratic state senator john mannion vying for two-year term in congress

representing madison county and parts of oneida and cortland counties. we will spend the next hour discussing domestic issues of at both national and local importance with rebuttals, follow-up additional time at my discretion but before begin asking questions were going to hear introductory remarks from the candidates for it as a result of a meticulous coin toss that is a state senator john mannion will go first to 30 seconds or. >> thank you so much and thank you to wcny and pbs for hosting this. and thank you today for moderating. i was born here. i have lived here my entire life. i love this region and i serve my community in the classroom for almost 30 years i was in ap biology and chemistry teacher part i top 15 -- one a living environment but my wife is also a teacher we raise our kids here but we both grew up in the city of syracuse live in the town and we have made a life here. as so many have. i've also watch the challenges

that existed in thele region. i had that built into my dna. i will always fight for this region. i will always be a good reflection of this region and i left a job that i love, the greatest job in the world. the most gratifying job in the world to advocate for central new york. and now the mohawk valley to represent 22nd district, the place that i love. >> and congressman brandon williams you have 90 seconds as well too. >> thank you david for hosting this am glad to be here. good evening i am brandon williams congressman for central new. york. i just want to start by remembering that families face incredible hardships in our heartland in western north carolina, tennessee and elsewhere, as well as those bracing for stork storm in florida. i began my car as a nuclear submarine officer in the navy. i spent the last 20 or so years

as a business minimum political outsider. three years ago i did not know anyone in politics. so why did i a run for congress? i'm concerned for our children's future my wife and i been married for 32 years i am genuinely concerned about our aconstitutional republic with that looks at going forward. the fact is our nationn leads medical l leaders lead on common sense on energy, on inflation and the economy. on board and on crime but i hope that's what you are tonight. since being elected in congress we have solved 1500 constituent cases are brought back $45 million in funding to our local community i'm glad to be with you tonight. >> told him to the question portion of the evening will start with congressman brandon williams have 60 seconds for your response then your other and it will get a chance response as well. this week a dozen state attorney general around the country stewed tiktok are going designed

to be addictive and ultimately detrimental to the mental health of youngad people. here in your state policy makers adopted a lot regulating how myers used also meet media platforms like instagram. should congress take action to restrict social media by minors customer and if so what are some the steps that should take? >> i'm concerned about tiktok. funny enough as ite would member of congress it actually wasn't tiananmen square during the protests in may of 1989. i've seen the chinese, sparta can do up front and tiktok is correctly related to the influence of china and our society. only see that with social media but we see declining mental health among our young people. and the closing in that is very different from the childhood i grew upry in playing out in the community with lots of neighbors and sports outside but something congress is tracking very

carefully. it's an deathly something we need to deal with that. >> senator? >> i spent over a generation and in the classroom. i taught before cell phones and i taught after words. i watch the negativere impact as like tiktok hop on our children along with other easily accessible social media items. the algorithm that exists within the systems is designed to honestly change the human brain. to perpetuate a message that's instructed to the brains of our kids. also, tiktok is very concerned from aco national security standpoint. and therefore i am supportive. this is with the government should step in, should take action. we have done that and new york state to protect our children. honestly it is long overdue. we need to make sure kids have

the resources and technology available to them to be able to learn effectively. but we do not need is a change in brainai chemistry which absolutely occurs under these algorithmsur setting awful messages to these kids. more and more disturbing as it relates to potentially drug use, suicide, violence and other issues. i fully am in support of highly regulating an organization on tiktok. >> today the biden administration issued a requirement that drinking water systems across the country replace lead pipes by 2037. government and the prevalence and update communities, et cetera mannion to support this mandate and regardless what should the federal government do to help facilitate the transition away from leadde pip? >> thank you for the question. in syracuse, newli york, the

surrounding areas we o infrastructure. we have been here for the long time but we have antiquated systems the dust that would come with this. it's incredibly dangerous our children for we have elevated levels in her seat as state senator we have taken an initiative to fund the replacement of these last lines going into residences and businesses. we actually have to do it. we support our municipalities to be able to do that that is where the federal government can come in. we keep our kids safe they do not have lead poisoning. it's not impacting their learning skills, it's a win for all of us. go on to a successful life. we decrease rates of violence, decreased rates of

incarceration. we keep our lead to systems or we get blood out of her system. >> same question as mentioned lead is harmful to children. and for the brain development. it is true again echoing the senator they concerned about lead paint paper jiggly in public housing. there are several things i have done since being sworn into office on exactly these kind of issues. $45 million of project funding for communities here. many are projects in the town of hamilton. one in jordan lafayette. this is long overdue investment in our community with the anticipation of a micron and the development that is coming here. there's a lot off work to do to get caught up on that.

that's where a lot of the $45 million that i came bright broughtin has gone for directly addressed it in the last year end half in congress. >> owing to follow-up with both of you on the ruling today from the epa. essentially this is a mandate to drinking water systems. senator, are you okay with the federal government d passing don a mandate like this? >> listen. when it comes to drinking water that's going to impact physiological systems of our kids, we absolutely have to take the steps to assure all of our communities are safe. one thing iat additionally wanto mention is what we did do in the state is passed legislation. we have more frequent testing of drinking water in schools. built lead levels that are acceptable within the water have been t adjusted so the threshold is such we can flag a problem and address it immediately. >> congressman same follow-up are you okay with the epa drink mandate drinking water system around the country and in new york specifically?

>> is a lot of precedents for this already. there's the failed system in michigan the federal government got involved in. and mandated a change. once at the epa would step in doesn't surprise me. it does not seem to be beyond the scope of the federal government. partrt of my technology backgrod that i bring is from what i call thee industry's wastewater treatment as part of that being able to have the technology to monitor that comment to make alerts, to look for levels. as part of the experience and bring to cart congress. >> i just wanted to announce the nets have defeated the phillies seven -- two in game three taking a two -- one lead in the division series there. moving back to congressman williams. college athletes have been able to be paid for that name, image, likeness care of the patch work system the current g dynamic is

raise questions about the rights of students and the future of non- should congress and step into the vacuum and if so what of the key tenants of national regulation in the space? >> i've met with the head of the ncaa who also has be the president of baylor university by a strange twist of fates her husband was my camp counselor. brad livingston played professional basketball. i'm very concerned about the flood of money into college sports. there is even talk of a super league separate from the ncaa. look, college is about getting an education. it's about showing up when there's so much money inflating in aup disadvantages like syrace university are in that top tier and the division oh one but are unable to compete with the giant programs. there has to be some balance to

that. the fact athletes get paid i am okay with. there needs to be a lot more sharing and a lot more w control over how that happens. >> okay senator? >> what is happened with the changes is that it is like the wild west. it really is. we have great educational institutions in this country. when i meet leaders of those institutions they have great concern about the lack of emphasis on academics and the more focus on athletics. and we love our sports. we love our sports absolutely. we love the players of those sports. but we really do need overriding federal legislation that should be negotiate with naacp excuse me. we've got definitely didn't pass legislation in the state. we were doing that because we had to play catch up with other states as wepl were approaching the end of the legislative session. and we know other states may have had an advantage of.

i am proud of the universities in theiv district. the infused bit of money into the system along the transfer portal the way that it is in many ways is ruining college sports. so we have to get this right. it takes a collective effort, a negotiating effort with leaders of different conferences,le universities, the ncaa. it's a tricky one. >> is not. >> event other state lawmakers back in the day so you are in good company. you mentally transfer portal. thumbs up or thumbs down transfer portal good or bad? thumbs down okay. following up on this issue though, shouldt student athletes moving forward be treated as employees of the institutions they are attending including may be getting collective bargaining rights that may come with them?

>> in terms of being employees, i think they do function within the university system. they are not free agents outside the university system. they should be employees within the system. you have seen unions and all the professional sports. more than that should go to college sports there there for a finite amount of time in their college careers. the primary thing about colleges to get an education. we cannot let that get lost in this flood of money and rules inthe excitement of sports. >> we want to make sure the students are protected. they are protected by collective bargaining rights. i know there is a movement in that direction and i do support it with as a group of individuals we are not focusing on. which are the non- revenue-generating athletes. they are important in many ways

to thesema universities. they make the universities and enriched environment for many. my own children have participated at that level. this is something again to protect everyone in participation in these intercollegiate sports again require negotiation to make sure you get it right. where in the situation with a lot of money flowing around. they can be there's a history ff being taken advantage of >> annex question will start with senator mannion p46% syracuse as of the highest rates of child poverty in the country. newark's rate is above the national average. here in new york the policymakers have sethe a goal f cutting child poverty in half by 2032. they have stretched there's going to be a need for federal action to make substantive improvements. what changes to the social safety net cute support to address child poverty the

federal level? hard to answer this question one minute. poverty does not happen one night. i want to transfer this to the federal level is a number of things. first of all we need to make sure that our schools which are the great equalizer, our public schools have every resource they need to support our students. including prekindergarten level which we have expanded to upstate new york. student should be able to go to school we should have universal school meals so there's both a breakfast and lunch for them but we are already preparing food in that setting. beyond that we need to make sure we are supporting apprenticeship programs like i have in the states. the manufacturer's alliance of central new york, i carried a budget item i more than doubled or went from $750,000 to 1.75 million. that is changing lives. people are earning money while they're earning careers. it is opportunity that's necessary and i tried to get as

much in common in that minute i was a housing, healthcare, transportation are all a big part that there are no barriers to that opportunity. >> congressman william same challenge 60 seconds. >> that is a big topic. since being elected tois congres i have championed the children's rises center program. writing east adams neighborhood. there's $3 million that we have been able to secure an federal funding for it exactly to that problem. exactly targeted to the most vulnerable community that we have. also champion child tax credit giving parents more resources to escape poverty while having children. i always come back to in a combat it for different point of view but we already spent more than any other country in the world on education. my wife and i are both the products of public schools.

until we benefited from those. i would say that i support school choice for parents. and i hear this all the time. particularly in poor neighborhoods is school choice or vouchers that give their children the best educational opportunity available. not just to local schools but available to them as one of the key waves we can drive in and child poverty. click going to follow up on a program you mention that the idea of the child tax credit. we saw an expansion of this during the pandemic. and it dramatically reduce child poverty cutting rates byra neary 50%. thinking about the child tax credit moving forward, congressman, what should the benefitt look like? >> our proposals now being discussed. the budgetary issue. we are champing expanding the child tax credit. all that will be hashed out in

the messy progress of comp congress. the fact is we need to support families that are choosing to have children. if you look at the actual birth rate in america is underneath the 2.1 self-sustaining rates. and so immigration of course helps with that. it's also critical to encourage families to have children and make it affordable for them and to incentivize that. that's important for our country. >> okay 70 child tax credit and the thoughts of the federal level? >> in new york state we delivered for the people of this state, we acted and responded and wanted to provide relief for our growing families. at the federal level we absently have to support it. in fact it should already be expanded. but what we are seeing is a congress right now that's not getting anything done. they are playing theatrical politics to removing speakers but the peoplee of this country

and the people this region expect more. we talk about families and making sure they can make ends meet, we can talk a lot or we can take action. we can work together in a bipartisan way to make sure we are deluding for those folks and aptly support the expansion of the federal tax credit. >> it would to pivot to some questions that designed to be yes or no and hopefully we have some yes or no responses. we'll start with congressman the right to contraception have been affirmed by multiple suprememe court cases. nothing stopsps the lower courts from narrowing these protections or the supreme court from reversing the passive precedents like was how it dobson abortion in 2022. given that background, should congress passed legislation affirming a right to birth control such as hormonal contraception? >> yes they. >> great, et cetera same question? >> yes for follow-up that'll start with state senator. federal regulations require most

private health insurance plans to cover it contraception method that require prescriptions in light of the fda authorizing available without a prescription should the insurance mandate be expanded to cover over the counter birth control which would not require a prescription? >> we absolutely should make sure contraception is covered by insurance companies. it makes perfect sense the people. the 22nd district would support that. >> that's over-the-counter prescription as well? >> i would. >> excellent.>> congressman, same question do you support expanding the mandate to over-the-counter control? >> i have to tell you, we have two kids and that is probably a broadd range of what over-the-counter birth control is without full knowledge of that i do not know of any restrictions that would prevent insurance from covering that.

>> no restrictions but a mandate to require they cover over-the-counter birth control? >> it that to daca the mandate is system. >> is not part of it now the only cover things that are covered by insurance i'm sorry require prescription. this new oh pill does not require a prescription should that be under the mandate? >> is a number of religious organizations that are opposed. when we get into these kinds of questions, federal mandates that force people that have opposition is currently in review and the judicial system. when we talk about federal mandates i certainly do not have any opposition to birth control i know or what i try to limit that in any way. but you are asking the opposite. you are asking for the federal government to take an even heavier hand in general i like people to be able to decide for

themselves. >> to 15 seconds for follow-up. >> is about individual healthcare it's about the democracy not a theocracy. we must make sure we are sharing the health of individuals in this country as they prepare for their families. >> a democracy is not a dictatorship. free market people should decide. cooks have another hopeful yes or no question we will start with the senator. both major presidential candidates have entertained some form of eliminating federal taxes on tips despite economists and fiscal across the ideological spectrum. do you think congress should limit taxeses on tips? >> the firstst thing i will says i support the wages system the way that it is. there was some discussion about elimination of tips. i do not support that. if we do not eliminate it, there is certainly a different structure related to taxation of tips for service workers. what you've got about 20 seconds for yes or no quick answers

woke. >> no tax on tips. >> that was easy. we'll start the congressman for a decade and a half the federal minimum wage has beena set at $7.25 an hour at the same time new york's minimum wage is making increasing incrementally reaching $15 an hour earlier this year in upstate new york that is scheduled to increase. isas it time for congress to rae the minimum wage? >> as you mentioned new york state's i'm sorry new york state minimum wage is already twice the federal level the federal government mandating higher pricesl. won't affect new york state.af i'm here to represent the people of central new york. federal government doesn't matter what they do. new york state is what is going to set the prevailing minimum wage. >> are just a follow-up to be clear you are saying congress should not act then question. >> it won't affect the people of new york state. so no.

>> senator? >> people in this country and across this country deserve a living wage in the states we haveth provided his best as we could with the rising minimum wage for their many individuals in the care communities specifically direct support professionals in the disability space where we have tried to increase their wages. i don't know who can live across this countryo on $7.25. especially if they're in a demanding profession like one of these. in talking to my colleagues across this country that is exactly what's happening in some states. >> we are going to go back to her 62nd question and senator, we'll start with you again. speaking withnd affordability oe child and child care center can run an average of $19000 per year in new york. i have to imagine there some people salivating over just $19000 a year. what can congress do to make childcare more affordable? >> sure for their few things we've done in the state already. i'm proud to have been a leader

on that. number one, that we can raise the level above the federal poverty level where someone can receive a subsidy to make it more manageable for them to go to work if they choose to do so. number two, we have staffing concerns certainly in our childcare institutions. we provided 100 million-dollar fund out there so institutions and deserts or micro- deserts we have many of them in this area could expand their services to a largerer population. or establish new childcare n facilities i also think there needs to be incentives for establishing different centers and educational institutions and inal the workplace. i do believe our employers in a tight labor market should be offering childcare at those institutions i do believe the federal government should be of assistance in initiating some of those childcare facilities to be established. >> congressman, what can congress do to make childcare

more affordable? >> as a member of congress i have sponsored a bill that does exactly that. particularly for law enforcement professionals. you may note law enforcement professionals have crazy hours for their working shiftrc work. there.ve to be we rely on them 24/7 365. one of the challenges they have in fact one of the challenges we have attracting talent to law enforcement is this very issue of child care. particularly for women. we havee a crisis of not being able to fill the roles, these important roles of public safety people. that is why i introduce this bill. it is i think a good model to explore how the federal government can get involved in helping the child care we are starting with law enforcement first. >> i want to follow up on the issue of child care and turned to the staffing side of things

the senatorng referred to in his answer in addition to the affordability the issue simply not having enough spots to care for kids largely due to the low pay of workforce and regulation on industry. congressman, what can be done at the federal level to boost the number of providers that are out there? >> well, it's not only about childcare. i hear this and lots of different arenas for truly run healthcare for example. like memory care for elders or rehabilitation care for elders we face this when my mom was in declining health. it is the low pay, has very high turnover in places like childcare. which is so critical for working families. and particularly for single parents. i have a a lot of families ask e about some kind of help if a family members helping to take care of their children while

they work. there's some kind of mechanism for a tax break or some kind of a mechanism for payment there. i think those are all things that need to be explored. and in terms of raising up our children i don't think there's much more important than that. >> senator can you expand on what we need to do to boost the workforce? >> our children, they are our greatest gift we should make surere we have them in settings that are safe and with individuals who can do this a challenging c work. i w advance my own piece of legislation that was signed into lawf regarding cmv which protecs providers in forming their workers of the potential exposure of this virus whenei ty are working in childcare facilities. particularly impactful when a person is pregnant.

but back to the staffing is we have to make sure these workers are compensated. we look at other countries as it relates to childcare it is much more robust and often much more affordable for families because there is an emphasis on making sure that we support the systems. that is going to require funding. >> this next question is for senator. in the wake of a 2018 supreme court ruling some states have legalized mobile sports wagering. here in new york this has resulted in hundreds of millions of dollars in annual tax revenue. at the same time the proliferation of advertisements for the industry in the vein of say alcoholol regulations should congress impose stricter controls, on how sports betting sites are advertise? >> well, like we talked about the algorithms and tech docs there are predatory practices here.

in fact i saw something on social media ironically that was an article referencing just that. so i do think there is a space for that. i people want to engage in mobile sports betting, they will be able to find them. and again it is certainly something that can be addictive. it can be predatory. i am supportive at looking at that. i know a new york state's a lot of the funds or a significant amount of funds i should say, that arere deemed as revenue tht come to theom state are put back into making sure there is also a campaign about problem gambling and their supports in place to address that addiction. >> congressman, should there be stricter controls on sports gaming advertising? >> it's interesting to see the evolution of the sports industry. at one time long ago it was about ticket sales and people

for the liveit event and televisionn rights taken over that's where all, the money is. you saw how much money came into sports in my lifetime in the ant 3040 years. what's very interesting is that gambling is driven enormous amounts of revenue into the sports arena itself. including for the owners. and that is who is often championing this. as long as it is entertaining, gambling on sports maybe i don't do it myself i've never used one of those apps. but maybe it makes it more engaging andnd entertaining? but as was mentioned before it is addictive. the amount of a marketing toward youngpe people, toward kids, toward people who are prone to addiction to this just like as used to be the case with alcohol, and sabbatical on toban television should be curtailed.

>> we are going to give both of you and the viewers at home a break from me for a second period we are going to share question my producer collected this afternoon armory square in syracuse. let's play that clip. >> i have one question. i present to you what do you propose to do about the homeless epidemic in relation to the drug epidemic which seemed to coincide? >> congressman the questionn was the intersection often between the twod problems. yvette 60 seconds, and do what you will with it. >> sure about 10 years ago was asked to volunteer syracuse rescue mission to do jobs and training for homeless men. what it allowed me too do is engage with them on a weekly basis over a think a couple of

months to really dive in and help them establish the tools of getting back on their feet and back into the workforce. i encountered firsthand with these challenges or. i learned a lot. at hand in hand with substance abuse. one of the challenges we face in particular is an open southern border biden and harris had taken office. this has led to a flood of fentanyl and other kinds of very dangerous addictive and harmful drugs since expand the homeless population. as just syracuse rescue mission a couple of weeks ago. saw the incredible work that they do. the amazing services they providees and how much addiction and mental health is tied into that. i've been directly engaged in that. i think securing the border, believe it or not will at least start stemming the flow of drugs into our country. >> hundred same question intersection of drug abuse and

homelessness? >> and people are addicted to drugs they can lead to homelessness. that is a tragedy. certainly a cycle that perpetuates itself. so when someone has been charged with a crime related to potentially drug use, drug trafficking's a different issue have to dress very seriously. if someone is it -- we need to fund our drug courts but we need expansion of our drug courts in a real plan toward treatment. towards healing. we want individuals to be successful. we want them to be on a path towards wellness. sometimes we are basically perpetuating that cycle. we need problems tied to our drug courts were truly invested. may need inpatient care there programs around the state were women and children can stay together. the lesson was able to comment

on the southern border my opponent had an opportunity to advance a bipartisan bill that was passed by the senate that would have done a lot separate that would funded our courts for it would'veou made sure we fundd our border patrol. usually it will protrude to to do that the congressman rejected that. we sell the broken border as a result. >> congressman would you like 30 seconds? >> sure. this is the most flimsy of arguments whatsoever. we actually pass in the house of representatives more than a year ago hr to what would have secured our border. would've ended catch and release it. would've implemented remain in mexico that would have undone the damage done by the biden/harris administration. it is the weakest argument. it's not even based in fact. there is never vote in congress that was for the outlay. never made it to the senate peart did not have enough

democrat votes in the senate to pass. and yet this is his argument. based on a lie. >> hundred and 15 seconds of them will move on too. >> the bill the congressman is referring to was it draconian lx funding to properly support a borderfu patrol agents. our ports, our courts, and as a result was not going to get anything done but had zero chance and done solely for political purposes. if never negotiate a bipartisan way. >> i want to come back to that issue of substance abuse. during the pandemic the dea issued waivers enabling health providers to prescribe controlled substances in person visit. those waivers expire legislation of the authors by congress extending the flexibility too ensure that prescription prescrn to combat opioid addiction and adhd? central star theater pickwick number one on the support of

telehealth and a supportive making sure there is a parody when it comes to reimbursement for the services. this is absolutely something we should be doing when we are in the midst of a staffing healthcare crisis. unfortunately it's more and more challenging to get into our healthcare institutions. this is a way that simply makes sense we are in the future right now. which do the right thing let's extend for rural communities that have had for his healthcare centers or this is the right thing to do but it's convenient people do not have it travel several miles figured they can build a relationship with an expert in the field and we should extend it. >> congressman same question regarding the flexibility? >> and a strong advocate for telehealth. it's one of the very few good things that came out the culvert shut c down. all of these kinds of treatment

for addiction and i would go further things like methadone, things like the sum of the the hallucinogenic drugs that are being experimented. lot more creative in how we are dressed in a crisis but not only of mental health but of addiction. i have personally had a fair limerick gone through this had to seek treatment outside the united states in order to begin this incredibly difficult journey. they have been successful with her outside of the u.s. medical system. there's a lot more that cante be done on the fda has to move a lot faster i'm a strong advocate for that. including isaac it's implemented over public health. >> sticking in the same vein in order to ensure the continuum of care programs car's to new yorkers receiving mental health or addiction services while

behind bars would you support federal legislation and ensuring medicaid coverage is reinstated prior to that release so there is not a gap in coverage when they go about the reentry process? i spent a lot of time recently engaged mostly correction officers have walked me through the unbelievable crisis of violence, drug use inside the prisons. as well as the mental health challenges the corrections officers face every day. their violent attacks in the officers exactly from these kinds of crimes. if i'm going to address the issues going on in our prisons and to work on rescinding things like the holt act. things my opponent has champion that has made it the best time

in new york state to be a criminal. it's the best time to be incarcerated you get special privileges that make it incredibly dangerous for the brave people who stand up as correction officers implement what society asks of them. to take this incredibly dangerous people off the streets but that would be my first priority. >> justat a follow-up then what does that mean for legislation that would ensure medicaid coverage prior to the release? >> looks atme the holt act repealed the standard for corrections officers and then we can talk about medicaid for released prisonersal pickwick senator will take that first part of the question and then give you a second to talk about new york stateof prisons the continuum of care grants. >> when people are incarcerated and played their debt to society they want them to be successful. we do not within two back incarcerated and therefore a tax

burden. our lives are further lost it is the right thing to do we have established that in-state. myt. opponent must not be informed. i voted no and that was because of my engagement in correctional facilities talking to the corrections officers. talking to incarcerated people. talking to individuals that work in our correctional facility outside of the correction officers like social workers, health care profession or's there in those institutions. i have toured those facilities. i have looked at them and i have made an informed decision and voted against my party majority because i've listened to the correction officers they supported me as i have run for office i have a great relationship with them. i listen to them and we can treat people in a humane way to putthem on a successful path tod a dignified future and we must

make sure we also protect the individuals that are working in these facilities that can be very challenging. >> july 15 seconds congressman? >> sure what were the topic of free healthcare my opponent has been the champion this is not the priorities of our government. it's the law-abiding citizens to the citizens and the families that are struggling to pay their own healthcare today these are not the priorities for the people of central new york. not to provide free healthcare for illegal immigrants that are soim radical even a governor wod reject the proposal. >> and iten was like 15 seconds question is not free healthcare for individuals here. >> viewers want to learn more about the solitary confinement laws that should check out the capitol pressroom archives you can find it pressroom.org or

download your favorite podcast. senator, we'll start with you for this issue britain's 2018 new york has had a paid family leave program in place. it covers when you want to raise a new child, care for an ill family member or assist a loved ones with a failed member is deployed abroad on military c leave at the federal level there is family and medical leave providing up to 12 weeks of unpaid protective leave. should be compensation and if so what should the benefit be and how should it be funded? >> of a really wantfi to suppora growing families with their children we absolutely should be supporting with again these would be programs individuals that are working will be paying into. to make sure these families can make these decisions whether going to care for a family member, care for a new child whatever the case may be. these are the things we should be doing when you look at other places in the world that have

these programs that allow families to support eaches other this are the things you should be doing. the variety of different professions out there. some individuals that work in certain capacities like an steel worker, construction a multitude of different employers. they are not eligible for some of the paid family leave that's out there. i am supportive of the moves we have made in the rightno direction. i also believe that we need a system in place where people can care for their family members had not have to make those hard decisions and of course have guardrails on the program. >> congressman could you repeat the question please? what should there be a paid family leave program at the federal level? and if show what should the bennett to be and how should be funded? >> there should be paid family leave. many reasons we already talked aboutit which is to support working families. we can have it were chilled a lot of people don't have

children put off child rearing just because of the costs. the inflation has been out of control the last three to half years. we have seen prices rise on everything from housing to all the groceries. the gas we put in the tank but having a robust economy is a great place to start to support working families. when you change the incentives. andha change the policies of the federal government that actually start reducingnt costs and makig life more affordable. paid leave for new mothers and fathers, i definitely would support. >> congressman, next question is for you. nearly two decades ago congress created a law effectively shutting the window for civil claims against gun manufacturers andue distributors. should the federal liability protections for negligent or reckless behavior by a gun company remain in place at the federal level?

>> there is always a t strong attempt to go around current law.an and actually to use the law to selectively go after political opponents. this is an excellent example of trying to enact nationwide gun control by implementing tort liability onto the gun manufacturers. we have a crime problem in america. we have a crime problem in new yorkrk state. that crime problem comes from cashless veil. it comes from raise the age comic comes from the incredibly reckless policies that have come out of albany under the participation of my opponent. these are the changed things and got the change in fact my opponent said by rescinding cashless veil would be a mistake

to repeal cashless veil. i disagree with him on the l'affaire to go around the second amendment and that the constitutional right that we have. take 90 seconds answer the question and response anything. >> thank you, i appreciate that. first of all i am supportive of responsible gun ownership. in fact there only two counties in theth state where rifle huntg of bear and deer is not allowed. it was my legislation that change that. it took years to do it, and we did it. i have honored them and i've spoken at their meetings. i'm fullpo responsible gun ownership. this great consensus across this country and certainly in the 22nd district that we need to make sure weapons of war are not in the wrongno hands.

a piece of that doesn't have to do with irresponsible manufacturing and sale of guns. i am supportive of that. as it relates to the comments about veil. first of allll there is great consensus about thesu fact that bale laws needed reform. that consensus did not just come from the advocates. it came from law enforcement. it came from district attorneys. i was not in office when those of bail laws were passed. if you watch my opponents at messaging and his commercials he will make it seemed like i was. but that is simply not true. >> think it center congress on june 152nd question. >> cashless bill would be eight mistake. those were not my words those are your words. do not know single law enforcement professional in new york state that agrees with you. >> 10 or 15 seconds and will move on. >> my four years in the state senate three timesw i was a vey strong voice in advancing changes to those failed laws we

give judges greater discretion. we made more crimes bails eligible the reoffending issue but i listened and responded i have done what i could to make significant changes to those laws that are passive prior to me being in office. >> moving on. recreational use of marijuana for this meant effort to set ups a legal marketplace for at the same time marijuana remains illegal at the federal level creating challenges for the businesses in the empire state at every step of accessing basic financial services.in should congress take any steps to make it easier for these businesses toit operate? or does the status quo on marijuana ask the status quo does not make sense. the fact is because marijuana is still at the federal level listed as a class one a schedule

one drug is not able to use the banking system. i have never used marijuana. i'm not personally interested in it. it has very good potential for medical treatment and friends of mine have been through cancer and through-- chemotherapy treatment strongly have advocated there be easier access to cannabis and cannabis treatment. and touring the control center here in syracuse, my concern is these products are being marketed to children.th many times the edibles are packaged like candy. we all remember if, if you are my age you remember it with thee tobacco industry wasto like. actively marketing to young people. this has to stop. there has to be a lot more control over what the chemicals

are. and the potency of marijuana products. so there's a lot more that can be done. senator? what's the support of the legislation new york state because i do believe that marijuana should be legal first of all because its use was pretty prevalent. and we need the regulation in a controlled setting. do you need changes at the federal level because in talking with individuals that are establishing, processing or retail sales they are absently y has to be a system that works is far securingg financing in a banking system there. the lot the federal level is antiquated for the patchwork of laws you had with states needs to go away. we should have a federal lawaw that legalizes marijuana. that would allow for additional changes of the law as it relates to finance. >> are at the point of the night for closing remarks. congressman yuan stuck with introductions, you have 90

seconds first for your statement. >> what you have heard here tonight is differing visions of what leadership looks like. i have supported securing ourg border and supporting border control personnel. my opponent has advocated for free health insurance, free healthcare for illegal immigrants. i have advocated for the law enforcement despite his claims of bail reform there is not any law enforcement professionals that like the laws they are now and are exhausted by it. keeping good people out. on the economy i am a businessman come out bring my experience out of the private economy. he has been cap the hopeful swingman is made living in new york state even harder even more

extensive. i want a better future for our system that's why got involved in politics in the first place. the fact is we need better leaders i bring confidence and experience that's different. hope you will consider voting for me in november thank you. i do agree with it with my opponent there are different visions. my opponent brings doom and gloomfe and negativity. i bring a vision of hope and forward thinking. when i have seen in the state senate or classroom something that leaders should be addressed, i addressed it. i addressed it whether it meant opposing my party or otherwise. of the individuals of the 50th senate district and in the future in the congressional district new york 22. i left a job i loved in the classroom because i simply could not watch the chaos that existed

in politics. i left the job that was gratifying because i watch 16 -year-olds watch a presidential election in 2016 like i had never seen before may had been the only election they had ever seen. when you calm positivity collective nest we cannot tear each other down. we cannot sustain the negativity any longer but let's come together, work together, stop the doom and gloom and negativity. beop a promise to our kids we mt be making sure the country is more than it is today. >> should've had more faith in you both to stick to 90 seconds i've got another second here. by show of thumbs up yes or thumbs down for no, can you both respond to whether you would support federal legislation banning partisan gerrymandering of congressional district is something like that g was to coe up in congress? >> i would very. >> that's great my opponent

voted for gerrymandering and benefited him. >> oh boy, oh boy. not live in the district he represents. >> independent. [inaudible] independent redistricting commission. [inaudible] pick out some portion of that's all the time we have for our debate. my thanks republican congressman brandon williams, democratic state senator mannion for spending time with us. october 26 is the start of early voting in the last day to register about election day is of course november 5. if you like to revisit any part of tonight's courage including our redistricting coverage on behalf of everyone thanks for watching and good night. ♪ ♪

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>> the government and visual liberty and personal responsibilities are the bedrock of the great nation. and today's rapid changely world it's important to remember our constitution is not just the historical document but a living testament to the values that have guided our country for over two centuries.

>> we've got to keep our enterprise and producers going.

>> thank you. maggie chairman. >> 2022, and u.s. past the women's house protection act and it did not go into the senate. they didn't do anything with it. roads are essential and we must

be able to keep our roads, bridges and wells functioning at topica pastramity and we're an interstate commerce state and absolutely beneficial that we keep our roads open. number five is housing and infrastructure for water including sewage and water for our small communities. those are my top five priorities and i do think we need to look at the budget. i'm a minority in wyoming already and used to having my voice cut off and used to speaking up and going to washington dc and going to be in the minority ask keep talking and doing what i'm doing. thank you. >> thank you, mr. hagueen.

>> the powers of the state and people have the rest of it. that's the end of my time. >> top of the order my question, mr. brew baker you'll be the first to respond. >> immigration and border issues have generated lots of headline, debate and conversation nationally this year.

if they're coming for a free handout, they're going to run into the same mess they tried to run away from. i think if we discontinued the handouts to them, there'd be far less need for a wall and if you don't have to build the wall and don't have handouts, it's a lot cheaper than building a wall and hiring tens of thousands of immigration officers. so if you are if you're not going to come and pay your dues, they don't have these things and will they be any better off if we collapse this nation and people blame them and turn on them and this has happened in the past. in fact in the united states there's been people shot because somebody thought they were muslims and i talked to one man that had friends shot in the

back.

>> i was in columbia, south america, and opioids coming over from afghanistan and flooded the market and cocaine let up and annihilated the columbian coke cartel. >> thank you, 30 seconds more if you'd like. >> it's an issue that thank you for bringing it to my attention

again and not that it was here going something i'm aware of and that's never going to be there and going to need more border security. they're causing some of the overdoses. >> next question. you'll be the first to respond. two minutes.

>> i think states need to decide this themselves. >> i don't know anymore in my circle that's like that and going for the first person in contact like that. just from a macro row sense and going for them and tax dollars and tax money being spent and in a recent interview going for that and it's talking about their gender affirming care.

medical treatment and history and legislature going for them to decide that for himself and going for u.s. government and that's my comment. >> mr. bruebaker, going for the issue. as long as people are respectful and i don't care how they dress or what surgery they have, but don't have me pay for it.

going for people and their dreams and they're taking money from this going like that and i don't agree with that. it's any tax dollars going for that. should we be paying for that little going for the way it is.

jot third person could receive 80% of it and in the middle end up being elected which would be hopefully a pleasant divide between two powers. i somewhat trust automated and a few things i've seen over the years and it's harder to make a computer cheat than it is to have friends counting the ballots. i was controversial when i was involved in one. not in my case but another case. it opens us up and might be four or five people on stage tonight than the three of us. we'd all be up here trying to win. i strongly support that.

county commissioner, sheriff,

and city council and school board, these are all important roads and being nonpartisan and it is important that we're representing everyone in our community and not a specific party. i also have heard and we've also participated in ranked choice within the wyoming democratic party and there's pitfall behind it and elections do need to remain local and not have the federal overreach with them. thank you. >> mr. hagueen, 90 seconds on voting techniques. >> voting tends to confuse a lot of people up in alaska, they've had -- they do rank choice voting and it's not -- it's the same people that get -- if you know how to work the system and you're good at it, you can cheat

the the people you want and it's really complicate sod i'd stay away from rank choice viet voting. states decide themselves and that's the way it should be and the way it was meant to be and should be. the federal government is just having oversight for the presidential election and electorates from the state and you have this on the institution and >> mr. bruebaker, 30 more seconds. >> it was confusing and i know

enough about marketing where somebody could go in and push things around. >> next question from mcfarland. you're first to respond.

>> man, a minute and a half is not enough time. how much time?

anyway, the corporation has a huge mountain where the fight is up there and they own the huge or they just bought from the other company and can't remember lithium and their precious metals up there where they're as far as their stocks that went up 40%. i don't know if the fires are talking about theories and i don't know how the fires would impact the holdings? this area. if you want to do a deep dive

into the stuff go to the website. >> thank you, mr. bruebaker, 90 seconds. >> my of my favorite quotes was from dune and fear is the mind killer.

>> candidates we've reached the end upheaver questioning and we move two minutes of closing

statements. mr. hagerty is up first. the gates have been left open and the wolveses are at the table. we had a b2 bomber in yemen dropping 2,000 buster -- bunker buster bombs in yemen and dod has just reissued directive

52.4001 and using lethal force against the toned citizens and think on that and so much to come without us in the act. >> i have a facebook page called hagerty for freedom and my campaign website is haggitforhouse.com and i'd appreciate your vote.

>> thank you. >> mr. haggit and i have a lot in champion as do mr. bruebaker and we the people form ago more perfect union and provide for the commonwealth and ensuring the blessings of liberty and spouse and prosperity and establish the constitution and i whole heartedly pledge by alleges to the united states constitution of wyoming and we the people of the bedrock of the democracy and vibrant public. we the people to govern ourselves with un-waiverring resolve and in our democracy, every voice matters and every vote counts and together we shape our collective destiny. as a republic, we exercise our freedom social norms to choose elected officials for fair and secure elections and ensuring the government reflects our values and our aspirations with deep pride, i embrace the sacred

commitment honoring the ideals of self-governance and we'll stand united in upholding the principles that safeguard our liberty and justice for all and that's going for the vote for wyoming and a vote for democrat in wyoming this election system and this election cycle make no mistake about it. it's a vote for democracy. thank you.

jowski is everybody afraid of liberty and fear going for our own actions and we keep spending more. i'm diabetic and i know when i get a feeling what have we once

done on the once great nation built on liberty and ambition. i keep seeing it going away in my lifetime. >> please stay with us on wyoming pbs. washington journal .

host: our first guest of the morning is bill adair, >> fist guest is bill ladare and the political line and why republicans do it more and why do they a burn down the democra. welcome back to the program. you were on the show years ago

and we'll show the clip in a bit and set that up for us. speed that up a bit. >> in many ways frames one important part of that. i was here in 2012 and answering questions about our work on the 2012 election. republicans lied more and worse and tallied up with politifact and the washington post and wanted to know whatas i said abt that. >> let's show and we'll get your response to it in 2012. >> isn't it true in the michelan magazine that you're competitor listed in general vasty of statements and republicans

versus democrats and almost 7 out of 10 of pants on fire or the heels giving republicans and the democrats and they lied almost as much and isn't that true? >> you know, i can honestly say i don't keep score. >> that's what you said in 2012. fill in the rest of it. >> well, i was lying. we did keep score, and we didn't keep score by party but we kept score and still do politifact does by individual and so you could easily look through the prominent republicans and compare to the prominent democrats and i lied because i was trying to show that we were impartial, and this is really important in wisconsin journalism to show you're not taking sides. the challenge with fact checking

is that it is kind of a rough and tumble form of journalism, and you are making calls. that's important, that is what political fact checking is. ... the debate is coming to you tonight from the art center on the campus of central wyoming college in riverton but we thank the college and the presidency to bc doctor brad kendall for hosting this event. tonight's debate is being aired live state wide and wyoming public radio. streaming live on wyoming pbs youtube channel but the debate will be available afterward as

well is on demand video online. and u.s. senate portion of the debate is being carried live on c-span as well. we make mention at this point while wyoming pbs wyoming public radio and media have similar names they are independent, unaffiliated organizations. our thanks to joanne at the chief executive officer for welcoming remarks before our live audience tonight. the debate is been coordinate for television technically by pbs production manager and his production team. our station been organizing posting statewide campaign debates for more than 30 years. as part of what we view as a mission to inform and engage the people of wyoming and civic citizenship. that mission is important we take it seriously wyoming pbs. joining me panels for the debate this evening or two experienced and knowledgeable wyoming

journalists, claire mcfarlane crime and courts reporter for tabloid state daily chris clements state government reporter for wyoming public radio. now for tonight's ground rules with the participating candidates have agreed to ahead of time. the debate is scheduled to last no more than 60 minutes, each can it's one of two minutes for an opening statement in alphabetical order. candidates will be questioned in order by the panelists. each candidate being asked in your question will have two minutes to respond. the other candidates will have 90 seconds to respond to the same question. the original candidate will have 30 seconds of rebuttal or follow-up it desired. the panelists may ask follow-up questions at the candids fall off topic. the moderator at his discretion may allow a can additional time to respond if the candidate has been attacked personally i beseech us to not have to go there. i weirds candace to respond to the topics presented by the questions we ask them. the debate will be concluded with a two minute closing statement from each candidate speaking in reverse order it from their opening statements.

the candidate can see a green, yellow, red timing light from their position on the stage yellow light will illuminate when that canon has 30 seconds remaining for response time. canids must and the response when the light turns red will hear an alarm at that point as well put the timer for the debate tonight is christina george of wyoming pbs. now it's time to introduce the kennett for the u.s. senate debates. closest to the palace table is u.s. senator john barrasso nominee of the republican party next is scott the nominee of the democratic party. candidates, ready to begin? senator grassley b into an opening statement that critics think it's all the viewers, anchored to the supporters of wyoming public television and radio pretty wonderful to be with you. thank you for allowing me too serve as your physician for so many years of wyoming. as a state senator and now as united states senator. when i first ran for the senate

i said i would show up. i would stand up. i would speak up. and then i would shut up. i would show up for votes in washington i would show up all around the state of wyoming every weekend. and then i would stand out part stand up for wyoming people and for our values. outs speak up. and speak up inwashington and we issues concerning us. and then finally i would shut up. the job of the united states senator is to listen more than they talk. i was a wonderful book i often referred to and my friend senator talked about as well it's called hidden america coal miners to cowboys. exploration of the unseen people who make this country work. those are the people of wyoming that i fight for every day in the united states senate. i traveled the state extensively last week i traveled to a couple of schools i was also in

cheriton to visit the firefighters in the front line and that fire in the big horn mountains. the students it was a job of united state senator? part of it is voting in washington votes are important to the state of wyoming. much more important than that is the job protecting and promoting wyoming or jobs, earning connor environment are special places our resources and our values. do not understand wyoming and are a threat to the future of our state. those are the people i am fighting every day on behalf of the people of wyoming. i want to continue that fight and ask for your vote. >> thank you. >> mr. morrow at two minutes for an opening statement mayorkas am grateful that you showed up he didn't have to hear the year theincumbent incumbent fore house did not show up. she did not have too. so thank you very much. i also want to thank he's been communicating with me i knew what was going on which is kind

of helpful when you're going to a debate i wanted to thank all of these people that took time out of their busy days to come and listen to john and i debate the issues. and i hope we debate them. i would like to tell you a little something about myself. i am going to be asking for your folk, just like john did. the reason why is i believe i have earned it. i earned a chance to work in the night state senate. serving the people of wyoming. the impactful work required of u.s. senator. john and i agree we need to keep a lookout and to cover workers, energy sector, all of those things are very important we are in agreement on that. which i find amazing. were supposed to disagree about everything. i like to preface the debate with the promise i will always be dedicated to the facts, the

truth, honesty and transparency. i think that's a mandatory for r anybody in public office. and i'm just going to work in that manner. 1975 i learned the true value of dedicating myself to this action. i started an amazing family eight years later i had five kids i'd turned out to be a single parent of five children. i started at the united states postal service after a lifetime of wrestling, martial arts, struggles and set bets i know full well how it feels to be littered civilly and figuratively as being knocked down but i know how to look up, get up and never give up. i will ask for your vote too. >> thank you for the first question is front me too senator barrasso. he will be the first to respond.

repeated ongoing surveys found historically low public approval for congress and for many public institutions in general. what could be done but congress to improve the standing of congress among the american people? thank you. as washing the previous debate when you talked about social media and what happens with devices which is very, very polarizing. we focus on the issues rather than personalities. there are issues that really do unite us there's a lot of bipartisan work being done in the senate. very little of it gets reported in the news because people want to see the fights. that's the way it tends to be. what gets reported mostly our people disagreeing with each other be much better if you focused on that better what we

see in wyoming when they get to know the governor, local representatives and years and years ago if you are here and do not know you have a chance to meet the governor or the senators and the first year you move to the state of wyoming, that is on you. it's not on them. we repeat the question please? vote public approval rating you as a senator might do to recruit that situation. >> the promise i made to everybody watching to be transparent, honest, forthright and factual. to make decisions based on the truth. on the rail to help a lot the

election cycle a convicted criminal, make stuff up. all the time, every day it does not help with potus or congress. and when you endorse somebody like that you have a responsibility to say that's not right. you need to stand out. up.you need to say patients aret eating dogs and cats. note sharks in the water and batteries in the water. that is nonsense. i would like to see lou more transparency in congress. john and i agree people only see the bad things on tv because they do not watch c-span. if you watch us he spent like i want to debate everything. i can watch your speeches it fully informs an individual. i think we need to be more transparent and encourage people to watch c-span and to educate themselves. we cannot do it for them. they have a civil responsibility

to pay attention. i think congress ratings will go up because john is right. they do a lot of good debate there. >> senator barrasso's 32nd follow-up if you like too. >> no thank you mix it next question is from claire mcfarlane. and mr. morrow will be the first responder two minutes. >> federal judge laster blocked the white house and other federal agencies from pushing for censorship of americans on social media. the discovery in the case revealed the white house and other federal officials demanded facebook a sensor everything from vaccine critical post to memes. bidens social media outlets would not comply. government censorship or social media age the u.s. supreme court turned away for lack of standing. with executive branches justified and how would you work to address the issue? >> first of all, i am a huge

supporter of free speech. secondly i did not get a chance to review the transcripts in the court hearing don't happen this in the court that in the court the rules and make sure the evidence is credible it's hard to comment. i am amazed with this particular supreme court. i would tell you it's a bit of an overreach. to censor anybody. including these big companies. i'm not happy facebook let someone steal my facebook page they are selling a bit coins and i can't do anything about it. i would like to see that changed. but, not by the executive.

i think congress has a responsibility to address this. to get all the facts before they make a decision and to proceed accordingly. >> senator barrasso 90 seconds per going talk about free speech from the concentration for rights of freedom of speech. all around wyoming who post poss what, who controls the media, at the same news weathers abc nbc cbs. nine have so many different outlets and devices in our pockets. big business related social media has huge impacts on that which leads to some the things you asked about in the previous debate about how news and how what's short fake information gets out there and how

perpetrate itself. these are the problems we see with artificial intelligence my concern is it's going to get worse. they don't impede free speech of the american people these are concerns i hear about students at the university is there a couple weeks ago i talked to students at school, what can we get? how do we know it's truly the facts when we see what you just said coming out of the white house. the white house telling social media information that cannot get out even though it was true the biden administration did not wanted out. >> 32nd follow-up if you'd like. quick didn't think anybody could disagree with that. i don't know about ai and all of that. i hope they do not start coming after me because i'm running against you. i'm not sure you can censor it. i agree in the senate john is

introduced a few bills and this 118 congress. the house can take them out but really in the senate we can introduce bills and consider what the house did on these issues. but the house has the purse strings. >> thank you by the next question from chris clements of wyoming public radio. senator barrasso or spofford to administer. >> recently you, senator barrasso's companion bills in congress that would that power plants to irrigation district with the power plant is located within the boundaries of the wind reservation. some eastern shoshone tribe members have said they were never consulted by wyoming's federal leadership about this conveyance it. in december of last year you called this deal a quote when/win situation for the american people. senator, do you still think it's a win/win situation given the

shoshone tribe is said they opponents? >> it's a win-win for the people. it's a hydropower plant. it's about the size of one half football fields. it's a fairly small piece of land for this and federal building on a power plant that's ready to be destroyed, paid for by the government. it's basically not in use for the last 15 years. the people who live right there get back into use. make sure the power from there can be used locally. we understood the bureau talked to the and they didn't. i understand they did not get. that was a mistake but they that should've been informed early on. but i do believe it's a win/win to use the energy. not have the government have to pay the money to destroy this pit renounced taxpayer money

that's going to be is that way. this is making something that is not been in use for 15 years, put it back to functional use for the benefit of the people right here in fremont county. >> the fact the tribe is said they oppose this deal. >> pretty much anything you do sometimes need support, someone opposes based on the size, the location and the use i think it is appropriate and i can get to you the support. >> mr. morrow 90 seconds for your response? >> i had an opportunity today to talk to the executive secretary of the shoshone people. and twice as large arapahoe country that lives in the same reservation that we subjugated them. we being the white government. i don't think anything should be done on eight reservation. he steal someone's land put them on the reservation it reminds me of when jeff lake and the great

lake john mccain paralleled that man but decided just feel steal apache lan and turn it over to a foreign mining company. we just cannot be doing them. we should have the councils of the arapahoe people on the shoshone people make this decision. and then brought it forward. i said in my comments to this the government always want to give comments if you are interested. that's your only say in the matter unless you are senator like john. in my comments i said we need to let that native people the first peoples make this decision. we will back it up with legislation. we were told the same thing to representative and i got no response. click senator, 32nd follow-up? >> the plan is been there and sitting for 15 years not being used. local people and to activate it

again. willing to put the resources in. the energy is a valuable use i still support the program. >> thank you for the next question is from me. mr. morrow will be the first to respond. it has been enough another rough wildlife season in miami with hundreds of thousands of acres burned, major property damage, wildlife losses, air quality dangers, impacts of wyoming's ws vital summer tourism season. wildfire management comprises a mix of local, state, federal resources. are you satisfied with wildfire management and wyoming? and if not how can it be improved? >> anything can be improved. we've got two different wildlife management considerations here. one is performed by the state for that wyoming state lands. just 53% of the land and our states. the other 47% is owned by the federal government. they will be the ones the feds will determine how they manage

that land. i feel so bad for the farmers that we had numerous farms are just burned right down. and the smoke mr. peck was talking about affects me. i have to start doing puffers and everything from the smoke. it literally almost kills me. so we can manage better. i know by my brothers and dome home they do a great job of bandaging. they go in and trim all of the trees they take the wood and give it to people to have wood for the fireplaces. they really reduce the fire danger doing that. i don't know about the raking leaves things but the convicted criminal he endorsed, said we should sweep the leaves. do not think that is the solution. definitely we can do a better job of trimming out the trees and recycling it. letting people use it. and keeping an eye on stuff.

they've got cameras in colorado these big pete's they can spot a fire like that the sooner you get to the fire the better. so yes we need to be careful about keeping the lands in good shape to avoid the fires. and we need to observe them better so we get to know quicker. thank you. >> senator 90 seconds or. >> as at the fire command center thousand firefighters working very hard. it's absolute right when you talk about the different swing state land and federal land. state forrester twice come to washington to testify in the energy committee from a senior member of that committee. she talked about the difference the way that lands are managed. she is in charge of and private lands. the difference between night and day the lawsuits the environmental extremists acting is much harder to protect the land because they do not let us do the kind of management of those lands.

you could take a look at it from the air you can to help manage land, state land from federal land which is much more likely to burn. these firefighters are doing a tremendous job right the communities have come together by the students in winchester mr dayton and cheriton are helping. people are helping in amazing ways but the perimeter of that fire was over 200 miles around. the containment they had about 30 miles contained. but contain what they say the percentage of containment is how many miles the perimeter is and how many they have contained? it's only 15%. they have a great new technology with drones in addition to the lines that come in and drop of water. they've got drones with ping-pong balls they can seat with infrared what is happening there where it looks like there's going to be a hotspot they can drop it and put out the fire the technology is amazing for the still a long ways to go this weather is helping a lot.

>> gym for 30 seconds or. >> i'm sorry i missed on the private lands because there's not really a lot we can do about that unless we want big brother to start getting involved in your personal/private property price don't think you want to do that. i don't what to do that. as far as the technology of very good thing to employ we need to imply that more. and then to talk about the firefighters, oh my goodness. they risk their lives for they do not get paid enough and that really work hard. it's not an easy job for of couple relatives that have been firefighters and it is hard. >> thank you for the next question from claire mcfarland. senator you will respond first. >> republican delegates often complain about government spending. but debt and deficit continually risen under their watch. to fix that would require a drink unpopular things. but we could do to cut government spending? x first i want to finish something we talked about.

we are working in a bipartisan way we talk about things that don't get reported on an upper part bipartisan way with regard to the funding. thirty-five chilean dollars. wyoming families have to live within their means. there the state legislature for five years. his present of the senate speaker. we balance our budget every year. please look at medicare, social security, something called the bull simpson dimension al simpson's probably wash from cody, wyoming was involved with that. that should have been adopted in a bipartisan way.

we have to start the constitutional amendment to balance the budget. >> i guess we finally found an area of disagreement. it is to be expected. they're not on budget. when you cash in a treasury bond make up $2.8 trillion if you're on social security after collecting her ship. we need to look at and do something about it but cutting it is not the answer. and secondly i hear about the budget deficit. every president in the united states everyone except for andrew johnson provided deficit spending. it is not the president. it's you and congress bring that money when you give a tax break to most of the rich my taxes go up you establish to a

3 trillion-dollar deficit. tax cuts are spending if you look at it the right way when you look at the actual accounting numbers on the budget of the united states. i do not see it as big a deal as everybody else. the seven or 8 trillion the guy he endorsed for president put on the budget, put on the credit card is the highest ever. one quarter of all the deficit in 250 years i cannot take john at his word when he is concerned about deficits. i think it's something to take a close look at. but not to freak out about. >> 30 seconds. >> it should not surprise anyone i want to keep taxes low. we were able to cut taxes revenue went up but spending when it more than rapid. we spend too much.

we introduce the penny plan. you cannot cure it in this department of government their waste in every department of government. he skipped 2% over all debts ovs crushing us right now. the is unsustainable. >> 30 seconds or whatever you get. i'm not sure but please if you get reelected to not be cutting might medicare and my social security that is my constituents as we depend on that to live. let's cut something else. a few hundred billion of the almost trillion dollars week give to war and so forth and the dod budget part you vote for the nda every year that adds to the deficit. >> chris clements. he will be the first to respond for two minutes. >> many of wyoming leaders governor gordon, senator, chair

of the wyoming freedom caucus praise the university of wyoming athletics department decision to forfeit a women's volleyball game san jose state university. the forfeit happened after news stories san jose allegedly having transgender athlete how to use the will help the people of wyoming it won't. it's a political stunt for the news media. i do not know who this athlete was. i can tell you transgender folks are afflicted with gender dysphoria. it's a psychiatric disorder. it's hurting them and that's why they do it. whether that changes the competition or not i don't know i am not a doctor i can tell you i'm getting tired of big brother getting in between doctors and women's healthcare.

people with gender dysphoria disabled people. i think we should leave medical treatment plans to the doctors and the patient. we have no business the governor has no business getting involved and neither does university of wyoming. quick senator? she mentioned the nda in your previous answers national defense authorization act. i do support that it's a matter of principle in addition to one to keep taxes lower at once keep family safe in america strong. right now the amount of money spent interest on the debt is higher than we are spending on defense in this country. and that's a real problem i have concerns about for security. >> with regard to the forfeiture by the university of wyoming which was your question i supported that forfeiture. i have two daughters involved in sports. for everything you said i want to know about justice for these young women who were trying to compete in sports unsay biologic woman needs to compete against a

biologic man i don't agree. the people in wyoming go to university of wyoming you talk ahead of time you talk to people drink the tailgating the people of wyoming are fully in support in terms of the calls coming into my office. support of the women athletes not having to compete against mail athletes. >> 32nd reply. >> thank you. you are right you should listen to your constituents. that's all i have ever wanted from you. if the constituents are saying that i stated my opinion based on what i consider to be reality. i would have to change my reality is to the constituents but not my own personal feelings or opinions. if that's the case then yes we've got to let whelming do it. i might rather see the student union make that type of decision or maybe get the volleyball team

involved. >> the next question is for me and senator barrasso will be the first to respond. the groundbreaking of the nuclear power project wyoming's about to add nuclear energy to its energy profile. congress plays a role in energy policy. his nuclear power a good idea for wyoming and the nation and our ever changing energy mix? >> i think it is. and wyoming is so much energy independent economic development which is energy driven complete all the sources of energy. coal, oil, gas. mass of uranium supplies here in wyoming. i was just able to get bipartisan signed into law banning imports it's a big thing to help her state come help our country come help our national security. for those concerned about climate right now nuclear power is the largest source of energy production in the country.

which has no carbon. the opportunity of what's happening up in their number of times talk to people in the community using retired coal fire power plant new transmission loans are already there. they put it right on the centered area. jobs can stay in that area. businesses will come into the area as well and i think it's a good idea for wyoming. you're right in terms what the public/private partnership. there's government investment, there's additional private investment all in the effort because meet all the power it demands energy in this country. five years from now heading home to california to the grid but that's what regulatory agencies who look at energy say we need. crypto, all these things eat much much more energy the electrification that's happening around the country.

doing this and we will be the lead 1 gram will be broken, the work is being done wyoming will once again be leading the nation. wyoming is america's energy powerhouse. we need to use it all and we have it here in wyoming. >> gym for 90 seconds or nuclear power for. >> we agree on some stuff again although wyoming provides 2% of the nation's energy. part of that is because places coal and gas jobs are going away because we are running out. even one of your contributors the petroleum association of wyoming says we got 15 years left. that's it. so we do need these types of projects. i'm not a nuclear physicist so i cannot tell you about half-life, the waste is going to create but were going to do with the waste. in all of those concerns a lot of people have it. but i love the idea the bipartisan infrastructure and

job enhancement back to you voted against his supplying almost $2 billion the experimental nuclear plant bill gates in one of his charities is providing the rest. i am grateful they are doing that and i'm grateful were giving it a try but let's not think that's going to be the end of it. because we need to look at some these other issues i've been unable to determine because nobody tells experimental plan. >> think everybody in wyoming goes environmentalists we want to make it as clean as we can come as fast as we can into it in ways that don't raise costs. when he talks about petroleum products running out, we have plenty the federal government wants us to keep it in the ground but they'll be happy to go to venezuela, or let iran export oil to china we have it here, we need to use it here we have american energy resources we are america's energy powerhouse in wyoming we need to

continue. correct thank you. next question from claire mcfarlane. mr. morrow ill be the first responder. >> on august 14 there was a shooting on the indian reservation. scanner traffic indicated the shooter was on the run. but for months before the suspect was caught in charge, fbi was not answer questions about whether the violent crime suspect was on the loose in the community. this is not a one off. sadly this unwillingness to inform the community on the reservation of the dangers on long it is a hallmark of federal policing in this area. will you work to remedy this dire shortfall and police transparency. >> said this happened on the reservation? >> a dire shortage of police transparency on the indian reservation. >> again as much as we can i

would like to see the reservation address the issue. they need fun day congress can help up with that. we do owe the first people based on her past behavior as far as the fbi goes it has been their policy for the 70 years i have been alive. when they are in the middle of an investigation are not going to tell you anything. as far as warning people the tribal council, the business canceled counsel and the shoshone nation should have been a part of that. i agree when we have a dangerous person on the run we should let people know it may be a tricky thing. but it can be done if they want to do it. i'm hearing from you based on those circumstances that you enumerated they probably did not really want to share the information. they probably could have put out

a little effort. but these law enforcement agencies get into a think they do a regular structure. more funding for law enforcement on the wind river reservation everett reservation in the united states. but senator, 90 seconds per. >> i agree with you there is a real problem there should but much more transparency for the needs to be transparency. at one point on the indian affairs committee and the senate and chairman of that committee lead hearings here on the wind river reservation. it's about the size of the state of connecticut part you take a look at how would people live here to try to recruit and retain police officers which is different than the transparency issue you asked about. but to your point making sure we have enough to be able to hire that many, have the people you could recruit to come here. to do the job in an area that is that vast width continues to be

a challenge not just on this reservation but reservations are on the country. we had hearings about that there are so many issues about crime and issues related to the reservation. >> 30 seconds if you like it too. >> john is right again it's not easy to train and hire good individuals to do police work. very corrupt very dangerous police officers. sounds like according to what you said it may be even worse on that wind river reservation for am really grateful you mentioned the entire united states. as a senator we do have that responsibility also in addition to watching out for wyoming. we need more. can we find it? can we hire them? can we find them? >> thank you next question john

threw the first respond in paragraphs wyoming leaders, including use senator recycle from attorney general merrick carlin about what his department is doing to prosecute and investigate instances of noncitizens voting and elections. data show cases of noncitizens casting ballots in the u.s. are exceedingly rare. given that, would you say it's a good idea to devote time and energy to this subject? why or why not? >> ogres threats to our democracy right now people talk about threats to democracy is the issue of the fact we have over 10 million illegal immigrants that have come into this country since joe biden and kamala harris was the white house. if you go in some states where they allow someone to get a drivers license who is not a citizen of the united states. when you apply for the drivers license they say would you like to register to vote?

that's the pathway to voter registration for illegal immigrants were not happening in wyoming but it's happening in a number of places. we have laws that say you should not be able to vote you cannot vote if you are an illegal immigrant. the democrats of block the bill that said this has to be the federal law note voting by illegal immigrants. right now the illegal immigrants are counted in the census. why would that matter? they want resources to move to the cities you took the total look of the population of california and if you add all of the illegal immigrants that are there that's how they determine the electoral college of this. how many electoral votes as california get versus the three that we have in wyoming? we've a lot of illegal immigrants there and they have more of a population they're going to have more votes and take them away from other states. i believe it's a big problem not just with the individual illegal immigrant voting, but also every democrat voted in the senate to

say good comic compass illegal immigrants in the census. they benefit us in the long run as it shifts the electoral college to the states that act as century states for illegal immigrants. >> 90 seconds. >> not a single democrat that voted to allow undocumented human beings who are not citizens of the united states to vote street simply did not happen. it was a poison pill that you guys put on that table in the voted against i don't blame them i would have voted against it too. as far as the number of undocumented people in the country according to the people that should know, dhs and the border patrol 6.5 million. and of those four-point to million are accounted for. they have legal status for there's a difference between somebody who has legal status and somebody who is illegal. 1.6 undocumented folks got past

the border patrol according to the border patrol. in wyoming for example since john got in the senate what was it 2007? we have had about 5000 who are undocumented. we have about the same amount today. it is not changed. it all to do about nothing. during trump at 11.5 million so-called illegal people in the country. and now a santa 10.9 under the current administration. to say the biden administration is doing all this stuff is simply disingenuous. it does not comport to the facts. >> had been to the borders seven or eight times but each time i go i see what's happening at the border. people coming across illegally from all around the world. people being attractive because

you couldn't free healthcare, free housing, free food, free cell phones, free debit cards loaded with cash. people are being drawn to this country illegally by the border was essentially closed when president trump left office. president biden came inside 90 for executive orders throwing open he has been in the white house but it counted for the census. quicksort nearing the end of our allotted time for this could be the final question if the kid it's would agree to limit their answers to perhaps 30 seconds we might have time for one more question beyond this. much of the members of congress do comes in committee rooms reviewing information, testimony on many toxic topics in public interest. senator, answer on your committee work and mr. morrow will be the first respond what committees are topic areas for committee work would interest

you? >> i've not been to congress but i've never been to congress but i'm a guy off the street i am paycheck to paycheck trying to get to congress. to go back on what he said no one is getting cell phones that's not a citizen know is getting free housing. no one's getting snappy. you have to be a u.s. citizen inthe watch that very closely pt i have friends try to get snap it is hard as far as committees go i pick up my committees. i want to work with seniors who want them to have the social security but he would not even cosign despite my hundreds of calls asking gregory to please let them know i need him to do that. i want to be on the committee for clean energy. they are not called that, i'm calling them that. i would like to see, i'd like to be on the labor committee. that's my expertise and as a citizen. i'm tired of people m an hour in wyoming for 28 years. it is untenable.

>> i focus so much on the energy we had somebody on the energy committee since he became a state in 1890. i mention kelly noris a couple times she's her state forrester. talk about problems or having up there. i had the governor come back to washington for the endangered species act with the great wolf and the grizzly bear and her efforts to get them off of the endangered species list. all of these things reelected to a state senate. >> 30 seconds to respond or we could move on to a more question. >> also will more question for. >> that will come from claire mcfarland. senator you will respond first. >> covid-19 pandemic fall on us all over again today and knowing what you know now, would you do

anything differently as a u.s. senator and what would that be? >> and as a doctor too. i am a doctor, i'm a u.s. senator i was for the vaccine and against the mandate. we need to make sure we are prepared. i think what we did was to prematurely shutdown the entire country. you look at the hospitals in wyoming that had to shut down, we had not even gotten to wyoming. we did not have the protective equipment that we needed. these are hospitals where nothing could be done. mammograms were not done performance because of him to shut down for different preventative care was not done. we should not have shut down the country at the way we did. that is a mistake. much further along with vaccine development. people should make the decisions by themselves that they want a vaccine. as a doctor i've taken it but as an individual jumping the government should tell you have

too. that's one of my real promise of the biden administration with a vaccine mandate which is also stopping a number of people from going into the military when they have to get the vaccine. >> 90 seconds. >> we agree it's a good idea to get the covid vaccine and booster. we've done them to i get a lot of flak from people on your side of the aisle for that. i am grateful your role modeling such great behavior but got regarding that so thank you. as far as hospital shutting down i missed all of that. as far as mandates i don't consider it a mandate when i tell you mr. peck either get vaccine target tested every week. the guy he endorsed was giving testing equipment to putin instead of to possibly really, really needed here we could not get a test you cannot buy a test for 50 bucks putin is getting them all.

i like to straighten that out there was never a mandate by the biden administration. they didn't want you to either get the vaccine or get tested. that is reasonable we have 20 or 30,000 people dying every day a horrible death on a ventilator. who could not talk to the families. come on. it's not unreasonable to have a mandate or please get tested so we don't get people sick at your federal agency. i do not consider that radical at all. i consider that good common sense to protect americans but that's what i'm going to jump going to fight to protect americans. i'm not going to tell them they have to get the vaccine but now i'm going to tell them senator barrasso got he hasn't i got my new mount follow suit. quick center, 30 seconds of follow-up. >> that's fine. >> of reach the end of a question and answer. we now have two minutes closing statements from each candidate.

mr. morrow you go first. >> i think everybody that's been here. i think john for showing up and surprisingly we agreed on a great number of things but isn't that amazing that we can agree on so many things on your job, it is getting a lot of flak pretty getting vitriol and hatred. you've been very nice, very professional is something i really like to see. what i am troubled with is a 20 or seven calling your office hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of times for stuff like please cosponsor rs seven and i get a letter from you saying a cost too much. it doesn't cost anything. there's no funding at all in the act. that is the type of disingenuous behavior say their giving free cell phones free housing free food free this and that to undocumented people there is no evidence of it. it has been debunked over and over and over again you've got to stop watching fox news and newsmax because they are lying

to you. when you pass it on you hurt yourself you are very professional and intelligent inn being. what do you get out of being disingenuous of their constituents? please be truthful it might help you. if you could be honest about these things and stop being so vitriolic and hateful towards immigrants. they built this country your family is an anagram put my family is an immigrant the only ones not immigrants are the first people over there and all the other reservations. i am going to fight for all of wyoming individual except maybe the rich and powerful which i consider it your constituency per they've got enough people working for them from going to work for the disabled to 37% of wyoming the people making 213 an hour trying to get tuition. i'm going to fight for the disabled. i'm going to fight like i've been fighting for 46 years. for workers in the least among

us. you serve better than john brasa. thank you for staying with us. to me election it's a job application but i am applying for this job because i think i can make a positive difference for the people of wyoming. earlier this summer a guy yelled at me in a parade he said you are a warrior. i want to be forceful, effective a conservative responsible voice fighting for the people of wyoming. many of you know i lost my wife to cancer this past year many of you knew and loved bobby she was terrific. she would say john your job is about a lot more than voting on bills. it's making sure seniors get their social security checks. making sure veterans get the healthcare they need. it's making sure farmers and ranchers that they get the runaround from washington that

they have somebody talk to its helping young people from wyoming who want to go to the military academy. that's what this is about. for me it's about more than that it's about spending every thanksgiving with her wyoming troops. with a big deployment right now in the middle east and the war -- make the world is a very dangerous place. they are in harm's way but we didn't talk but any of those issues this evening. i'll be with them at thanksgiving justice if i was with the soldiers in south korea last year for thanksgiving. we share a meal some of these kids is the first time they've ever been away from home for thanksgiving. june what they want to talk about? the wyoming weather them i talk about hunting this fall and they want to talk about wyoming cowboy football team. i want to thank them for the sacrifices they are making is and it's it senator i will tell you this is not about me for this election is about you, your family, your life, your future and your freedom. i will work for you. i will stand up for you and i

will fight for you every day in the united states senate on behalf of the people of wyoming. and i ask your vote. thank you very much. >> senator -- senator barrasso thank you to the candidates for their participation. again i am of wyoming pbs. the cowboy state davie. thank you to the candidates, to the panelists. if you have not voted already if you are able to do in wyoming make sure you vote by election day. thank you for watching wyoming pbs. ♪ >> on friday and come it senator tammy baldwin faces off against republican challenger in the race for wisconsin senate seat. watch that debate hosted by the wisconsin broadcasters association live it on c-span, c-span our free mobile app or online at c-span.org.

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represent northern new jersey seventh congressional district. the canonist discuss immigration, reproductive rights and minimum wage increases hosted by the new jersey globe. >> hello welcome to new jersey debate night. i'm lord jones is the first and only debate in new jersey seventh congressional district to the incumbent tom kain junior challenger sue altman. presented by the new jersey globe on new jersey and new jersey politics at rider university sponsored this evening aarp at new jersey nj ea new jersey education association or panelists are david a wild we state of the new jersey globe, director of the institute for new jersey politics at rider university and joey fox congressional correspondent for the new jersey. we've got over the rules of the debate prior to eric and we also establish the order of questions and responses will to alternate between the two candidates a coin toss was conducted earlier one bite sue altman she's open

to opting for the second opening statement. so tom you are up first. the floor is yours. >> thank you it's great to be with you this evening. iran for public office in congress because a one spot help people. one of the most able to help from last year was a disabled veteran whose it individual who is near homelessness and gone into surgery after routine procedure lost both of his limbs. and we found a solution found eight permanent housing made sure he had new leaders nursing location with uncommon ground on policy in washington d.c. breach across the aisle to find the common ground and make new jersey more affordable. to make sure their energy independent but also to make sure we have police and public safety officers. my opponent on the other hand since 2019 has been a paid political activist who supports public will never start up stand

up to the left wing of her part since 2010 she support every single tax increase on state and federal level she supports every spending increase as well. in addition she supports defending the police. she supported legalization for narcotics for those extreme positions that are out of step with the people the sub congressional district and those of his positions will have extreme consequences if elected to this office but thank you for hosting this event tonight. i'm asking tonight for people's votes. thank you. mr. kean thank you. sue altman overachiever. >> am a former professional basketball player, turned teacher, turn anticorruption advocate who fought both parties in trenton. i am honored to be considered to represent one of the most beautiful districts of the entire country might home where i am from new jersey seventh

district. i am running because the next three weeks will determine the course of this country for the next three decades. i am running because this moment requires political courage. something sadly my opponent does not have. my opponent has been in politics for 23 years but he has exactly what he is doing when he dodges the press. when he does not hold town halls when he avoids his constituency. because you see tom kean junior has an unsolvable probably values of his voters and that values of his donors are not the same. his donors, national republican party and extremist billionaires represent an insane point of view. they want to ban abortion nationwide. they want to monitor at women's pregnancies so i guess you cannot run off and get a secret abortion. they want to and gay marriage they want to make sure we are

all suffering from a society that is less educated than it should be. those values do not match the values of this district. this is district beliefs and institutions and the rule of law. and personal freedom and women's rights. when i get to congress i will fight to protect contraception, to codify it row, to bring back felt deduction and above all i will be accessible but i will represent this district, not billionaires in extremis in washington. thank you. >> or panel david wilde seen at the end you new jersey globe you are first with your questions. david, to you. >> congressman tom kean also with you. your family ancestors have been on the forefront of speaking up regardless of political risk. they oppose slavery, they backed the insurgency candidacy of abraham lincoln. they fought for civil rights since the 19th century.

your father and your grandfather were proud moderates. you have endorsed donald trump. and you voted for some deeply conservative candidates for speaker like jim jordan and mike johnson. you have not been critical of your own party in congress. why should the voters of new jersey seventh district trust you for another two years? >> i've always been independent voice for the people of this district. for the last two years and since taking office in state legislature. i listen to my constituents and focus on principles, point to them and support the constitution. maggots might party i served against my party and shipping across state lines.

i listened to my constituents and focus on the principles that went to them and supporting the constitution. i served against my party on the shipping across state lines. i've been focusing on making sure we have more affordability in the state and in this country i will always stand up for the principles of making sure the people of educational opportunity, that they have access to affordability to make sure we have a stronger country going forward. >> we will wait for response. >> yes, congressman. one of the things i'm struggling with is why you would represent

this district where you could have been one of the most moderate, one of the most reasonable voices in congress but you voted for jim jordan twice, you endorse donald trump on the day he was convicted and you had mike johnson into new jersey twice to fund raise for you. there is a famous notion of politics that if you follow the money you know where someone's heart is. you seemed like a really nice guy. right now what we need is political courage. we need someone to stand up to trump. someone that will stand for women's rights. there women bleeding out of people's parking lots right now, women whose bodies are in sepsis they cannot access reproductive freedom and care that they need in other states. i am very, very concerned because with you in congress, i am worried if mike johnson has a gavel, we will have a national abortion ban and that will include the women of new jersey. >> you can have 30 seconds to respond to that. >> certainly.

my ex- opponent is supported by these individuals. the head of the working families party. she received her money during that time hundreds of thousands of dollars from people that were headed from the voters siding for extreme points of view. the closest thing to communism and socialism in this country. she stands with people who want to do extreme heart to the fiscal value of this country. >> let me ask you your personal opinion. you spanned several years as an activist. you are a zealous voice for new jersey working families. they have supported funding for these. they have supported ending u.s. military aid to israel. supported a green new deal. medicare for all.

some of their positions are among the most far left in american politics. now, you are running for congress in a more moderate district. some of your views have changed. your positions have changed. is that just to win an election and why should seventh district voters trust you? >> i have broken with the left into very important ways. i support israel. i have stood up against anti-semitism on both the left and right. i support israel's right to defend itself. especially when it is fighting a war with iranian proxies. i have apologized for a tweet, one single tweet i did over four years ago. i have done my homework and i know what a comprehensive vision is for public safety. we need to invest in recruitment treating and community services because it's not fair to ask police to get whatever they get when answer : put their lives on the line.

so, it is not accurate, i have never broken from the left and for most of my time in new jersey, i have fought against corruption of both parties. i have thought for better ballots and voter access. i have fought against the most powerful people in our entire country who happened to be a democrat because i believed him to be corrupt. i have the scars to prove. >> congressman. thank you. let's be clear. 2021. the 82 israel. anti-semitic candidates in ohio on a congressional level. she said we need more people like that. it was only she changed jobseeking office that she changed her position in that

regard. she waited too long to actually stand up. she had not made a statement and what happened there. defund the police, literally. according to the pba, they said putting cops in harm's way. people know that it did. look at things that she has stated they had done. she had put cops in harm's way. she made our communities less say the continuity of an activist priority. >> 30 seconds. >> the national republican party has already tried to promote falsehoods about my position. when the anti-semitism tax first came out at my alma mater i stopped what i was doing. i was on the phone. i toweled roundtables in this district with jewish leaders and it makes me mad that you will

use this against me. it is wrong to tokenized the jewish people. the anti-somatic system has been active and alive and well. it trumps golf course and you said nothing. don't you dare lecture me. >> your questions. >> yes, thank you. i would like to dive into the issues, obviously. starting with the issue of reproductive rights. congressman kane, the first question is for you. we are now at two and a half years out from the dobbs decision that overturned roe v wade. with those two and a half years of hindsight, do you think that that decision was the right one? >> i think it is appropriate to sentence the decision down to the state so people can go to the local leaders and be involved in this regard. i am pro-choice. a 21 year record of supporting pro-choice positions and i would oppose a national abortion ban. on the state level, i have also

promoted measures that would ensure easier access to care on medicaid and other ones. my opponent in this regard has an extreme position. she supports the position that would allow people to get abortions for any reason up until birth, including the eight and nine months. she supports not allowing doctors to be the only one that can conduct this procedure. that is an extreme position. she also supports not allowing parental notification. that is an extreme position. those positions are out of step with those in the congressional district. >> congressman. respectfully. you voted against funding planned parenthood 12 times in the state legislature. you voted against codifying roe as recently as 2022 when we knew bro would get overturned at the national level.

you will not sign on to a bill protecting and enshrining ivf into law. you voted against women in the military leaving their basis. you know you are trying to hold two things in your mind that once because you have a website that you are used to that show pro-life. their women bleeding out in parking lots. they are women whose bodies have full-body infections, sepsis. in the states where abortion has been outlawed and criminalized, doctors, ob/gyn are fleeing in record numbers. at what point is that the federal government's job to make sure women are protected and women's rights are protected? i find it ironic that you think it is an extremist point of view >> i give you 30 seconds to respond to that.

the eighth and ninth month to have an abortion. allowing people other than doctors to conduct their procedure. that which was included in was just referenced to an expansion. a very different thing. i am pro-choice and i would oppose a national abortion ban. >> ms. altman, i will pick up on that. new jersey itself has very strong abortion protections and some democrats like governor murphy said making allows even more encompassing. i want to ask you if there any parts of new jersey law regarding abortions as it stands right now that make you uncomfortable? >> no, there is not. i think new jersey is for very good reason accepting women who are in emergency situations that come here to seek healthcare. i am not a medical professional.

my opponent is not a medical professional. these issues, these very technical personal decisions are issues that should be left between a woman and her doctor. there is a woman in our district whose baby was born without a brain and she needed to get an abortion late in her pregnancy. congressman, it is not the government's business to know the ins and outs of everyone's pregnancy. pregnancy is exceedingly difficult on the body. it is a total body stressor. there are vanishingly few women, and you know this, congressman, who carry babies all the way to the end and then suddenly decide to abort them. it happened in tragic awful situations and it happens when women's lives are in danger. if that is the only exception the why have you not signed onto the bill which would enshrine into law medically necessary abortions? you have not because you are at double holding of mike johnson the speaker because he fundraisers for you.

>> mr. king. >> as my opponent has an extreme position. she supports abortion through birth. that is an extreme position. she also supports doctors, people other than doctors being able to conduct the abortion. i am pro-choice. i also think we should be prioritizing life in the health of the mother. i oppose a national abortion ban my opponent has an extreme position that is out of touch with the voters in this district the piece of legislation now law new jersey allows the birth, excuse me, allows abortion through birth. not having parents know what is happening in their kids lives and also a lot of people other than doctors being able to conduct. that is an extreme position.

>> i want to talk about another topic that is adjacent to this end is coming to the spotlight this year which is in vitro fertilization. congressman, you have said that you strongly support the right to ivf. a lot of your fellow republicans have said that they agree with you on that issue, including donald trump. if that is true, why has congress not done anything to protect ivf and what in your second term would be different? what would you do to make that happen? >> thank you. thank you for that question. i support ivf. all the way back in 2001. i voted to make sure we had new jersey state insurance coverage. and the importance of that procedure. since taking office i've continued without support. i have supported and sponsored four different bills. not only making sure these bipartisan bills would make sure that they recovered it from the

federal level but also made sure that we had, that it is more affordable. we had tax credits and things like that to make sure the procedure is more affordable for families. my opponent would never reach across the aisle and do that. it is just not who she is. everything she would do would be on the far extreme of her own party versus reaching across the aisle important health and family building legislative bills like this. >> i just want to press you on the first part of the question which is why has this not already happened if you have these bills, if all the republicans say they supported what would be the change that would finally make this happen? >> we were able to get it done in new jersey. i will do everything in my power to make sure we get it crossed at the federal level. >> we will go to you for your response now. >> first of all, i definitely worked across the aisle.

you don't fight this just dealing with corrupt self jersey democrats. you fight across the aisle in you work across the aisle and that is what i did as an advocate. please do not mischaracterize. on the issue of ivf right across the delaware river representative susan wilde who represents just across the river from up here, she has a bill that would enshrine the right to ivf for all families into law. i know she has some bipartisan sponsors on that bill. yet, congressman, you have not signed onto that bill. i forgot to mention in the last question, you have been an advocate found to be performing abortions or providing a legal reproductive care. that is pretty scary. what we will see is a brain drain from those states, from doctors who otherwise want to help women in those states, but are afraid of being prosecuted for their medical profession. congressman, i do not understand

why you have not signed onto the ivf bill because all the rest of it does not matter if it is not enshrined into law. >> mr. kane, 30 seconds. the most important thing that we can do is to ensure the safety of this, my opponent has never reached across the aisle. she has never support republicans to find common ground solutions. it is not what she has done in her entire career since being an activist for group that bernie sanders once said the closest thing to socialism in this country. >> executive director for new jersey politics, you are next with your questions. >> in your opinion, approximately how much money was an average middle-class family earn annually to afford to live

comfortably in the seventh district and how is that change since covid? >> that is a fantastic question. the medium income is $125,000. this is one of the more affluent districts in the entire country. one of the most educated in the entire country and yet i hear over and over again from people in this district how hard it is to make ends meet. they have two parents working full time and they just barely afforded a house and a wonderful school district here in the seventh and then donald trump came along and got rid of the salt production and they cannot find a way to make ends meet. so i can only imagine how difficult it is for people all over the state and all over this country that make far less money than people in the seventh district. prices are too hi, wages are too low and those things have not kept pace since the pandemic. i believe that it is due to a lack of competition and

corporate greed, but also because prices have just gotten too high and wages are too low. in this district i will fight to bring back the cell production which is a tax to the blue states. >> okay. >> we need to restore this production. in this state and across the country as the out-of-control spending that has caused this inflation that part of partisan and congress knew what happened. my opponent supported her entire career. she understood what mass government spending would do to people in this district. taking away deduction in 2007. before congress earlier this year i was the only member of congress going against did not include this restoration. it is important we do that but

we also often find the common ground to get that done. my opponent in professional activist just a couple of years ago supported, did not support this production. giving way to the rich. this district needs this production restored working as a cochair of the bipartisan, working with the regional and bipartisan basis. >> would you like 30 seconds to respond to that? >> there bills in congress at the new york republicans have sponsored. i don't know if there are any that you have sponsored to restore. your characterization is so simplistic he had it is easy for you to say when you are part of this that the government should not have interfered at the end of covid. i am glad that they did. part of the reason prices are so high is because we are living through an unprecedented era of corporate consolidation. as a former basketball player i am a competitor. it requires competition. looking out for corporate.

congressman king. this in congress. helping families afford to live comfortably in the seventh district. >> the tax package renegotiate next year. getting this production restored i got there we will make sure it is included. also need to make energy dependent once again. we will need to make sure we have more manufacturing as well. my opponent, you know, is an extreme activist. she has supported every single spending bill since 2019 that was on the state level or on the

federal level. she opposed the salt restoration as a professional paid activist. she supports every single spending program that will make the state less affordable, less competitive on the world stage. she has harmful policies because she supports increasing spending , increasing taxes and increasing regulations which are the things that are hampering and hurting small businesses. hurting families. everything has gotten more expensive. >> congressman, just barely old enough to remember a time when the republican party was a party of small business. was the party of economic competition. let's look at our farming sector the last remaining farms are beautiful, small, family-run farms. you can go apple picking at this time of year. it is wonderful. everyone should go. the type of farms at the republican support, 75% is

produced by four companies and 85% of our beef by three companies. all of the tax incentives that go out to iowa for corn, that is the type of agribusiness that the republican party supports. what that means is that small farmers, small businesses, the kind of places that give our district character are squished out of the market and when i'm in congress i will fight like heck to protect those small farms and those small businesses corporate consolidation that republicans have been all about in the last 20 years. >> a solar farm in the township. energy for families in the seventh district? >> i support all of the above energy. we need to make sure, we are 42% nuclear in the state. 49% natural gas. we need to do what we can from a

solar perspective, land-based wind perspective and making sure that we have alternative spirit we are in ingenuity state. our focus making sure it is affordable. a green new deal. and out of step program. increased costs and new jersey households. over 600 and 30,000 dollars over 10 years. she has an extreme green new deal for regulation and spending that would cripple new jersey families. it would cripple new jersey manufacturers and make the state unaffordable. make our country less competitive on the world stage. that is the approach. i think it's better to have. >> sue altman. >> congressman, i don't even know if you can name what is in the green new deal. without a solar ribbon-cutting. there was a time your father,

proenvironment republicans. this district has all of this land preserved because republicans in part were the ones that let on that. making sure the highlands act was passed in or clean water in open space. so, to throw around the green new deal like it is some kind of radical thing, which i don't even think you know what is in it but at the same time the ra had huge investment in green energy, you and i both know that our economy is moving towards a green economy. we have to be at there is no way that we can compete overseas therefore not doing this. we have to do it in a way that is responsible. we must move quickly and responsibly. we can be proenvironment and you don't have to use scare tactics against the green new deal. being proenvironment includes energy, but it also includes things like open space and clean

water and clean air. >> tom can i will give you 30 seconds to respond before moving on. >> we need to ensure we have all the above. not one that is dictated by extreme spending and extreme regulations for what is necessary to compete against others. i support green energy. i support making sure we have a responsible pathway. i support competition. my opponent has a position that is out of step with the needs of new jersey, out of step with the needs of this country. she protested green energy independence in this country had she got support from the company that was closely tied with the chinese government. we need to be innovative in this country. >> we will go back to david wildenstein with his questions. >> i would like to ask a series of foreign policy questions. ms. altman, i will start with you. in the presidential debate all candidates dodge this question so i'm hoping neither one of you

well. some experts believe iran can build a nuclear bomb within the next year. if there is evidence that this is taking place would you support or oppose a preemptive strike on iran by israel. >> i'm deeply concerned that that is indeed good intelligence an important ally in the middle east. it has every right to protect itself. they said over and over again they want to wipe israel off the face of the earth and wipe the united states off the face of the earth. israel is the really important intelligence partner. they are a democracy in the middle east. it is important that there is a jewish homeland because lord knows there is a lot of anti-semitism in this country and there always has been. there are country clubs that did not emit people until later in this country. this is a very important question. i think there could be a case made for preemptive strike on

iran if that was indeed the case , but i would be very careful and i would be very surgical and i would want to make sure that we are eliminating to re-create this nuclear threat. i think overall what we are going for in the middle east is lasting peace because of lasting peace is a stable peace for israel in the region. >> iran has supported hamas. they have supported hezbollah. hamas attacks and get them killed and kidnapping israeli citizens. there are still u.s. citizens that are captured. we need to do whatever we can to make sure that israel has the tools, intelligence to win this fight. i would support israel making that decision and going in on its own. this current administration what it has allowed to happen on the world stage where iran is tied up with putin and with china.

not only in ukraine, but in and around israel. we need to make sure that we have a strong approach and allow israel to stand up against iran. if it is necessary to strike its nuclear power. allowing them to do that. we need to make sure that israel has a right to win this fight as well as standing up against anti-semitism anywhere in this world. >> congressman, i will stick with you on this next question. we will repeat this next question that i asked senate candidates last week the do you support the united states applying ukraine with long range missiles so that they can hit targets deeper into russia? how would you balance your support of ukraine with the threat of russia using nuclear weapons? >> one thing that the president has asked for, president

zelinski, when i met with him and even have those conversations is he wants those lawn -- long-range attacks. he needs the weapons to be able to use them in ways that he sees fit. unfortunately, the biden administration has stood in the way from using those weapons. i've been sanctioned by putin a year and a half ago. because my strong support for ukraine which allowed them to use the other missiles. we should make sure that they have that support. my opponent would never account them in this regard. they have been week. what biden has not allowed zelinski to be able to do. we need to make sure that he has the tools. great britain is asked biden to go in a different direction because he is long in this regard. my opponent would never be able to stand up against kamala harris or joe biden.

>> i've got to jump in here. donald trump is actively rooting for vladimir putin to win this war. we just found out last week that he sent covid testing machines to putin. he has praised putin. he has praised the dictator of hungary. donald trump is rooting for authoritarians in russia and all over the world. so, please, please, it is because of democratic support that we were able to get that aid bill passed through congress mike johnson could not do it because the extremists in your party block that bill. putin is a dog. he is a bully. he said teach history and i know what happens if you do not stand up to a bully. ukraine goes in the pole and goes in the nato goes and then we are in world war iii. the whole world is watching. if the united states will elect kamala harris or donald trump. the whole world knows that donald trump is unstable, he is erratic and he has authoritarian

impulses. we need to stand up to this person this reason and so many others. please congressman get your own party in mind before you lecture me about our spirit. >> congressman, let me go back to you. this week marks one year since the attack on israel. do you believe that the united states should unconditionally support israel? if not, what conditions do you support? >> absolutely, yes i do. israel is doing everything it can. trying to root out terrorists in hamas, in the gaza strip. these are individuals that have raped and killed throughout that region. they have said with great frequency that they want to do it again. they are being supported by iran and hezbollah.

they need to have the time and resources necessary to win this fight and make sure it prosecutes that case. this is a position where we need to be strong in our alliance. it is a democracy. it is a country we need to support. fighting the same rights that we do as a country. allowing israel to fight against hamas and the strip and then hezbollah and because that is extraordinarily what needs to be done. on over seven it was a horrific horrible on innocent civilians.

they knew what they were doing. they went up attacks and then ran underneath the tunnels where they have been hiding and holding hostages. we still need to return home. it is an ugly awful horrible war in my heart goes out to the women and children of gaza. israel has to be able to defend itself. i will fight with everything i have to make sure the democracy succeeds because it's the right thing to do. also because they are an ally in the middle east. all they that we supply all around the world. we should not hold israel to any different standard. we should be held to the same standard. >> moving on now to joey fox. >> 30 seconds. >> as recently as 2021, my opponent conditioning in ways that i think are different. we have to focus and make sure that israel has the weapons, the

intelligence necessary. the world stage need to know we are standing with israel in this regard. it was happening in hamas, hezbollah, iran, the straits of hormuz. we need to show strength, we need to show an aggressive ally. >> you can make your point without lying about my background and stance. i have never held a public stance on israel. i've been to israel, i biked across israel. i have teach english -- materials from the holocaust museum so i can teach my high school history students out to watch for anti-semitism and hateful propaganda. you know which party has the most hateful it is a right wing of your party. where were you when neo-nazis were being posted. there were jewish leaders around our district and around our

state. we sent a letter to have you speak out and i know you got that letter and you've done nothing so spare me. >> we could probably spend an entire debate on any one of these questions. your next with your rounds of questions, joey fox. >> i want to shift over to the topic of organized labor. the international longshoremen's association from earlier this month ended relatively quickly and painlessly. it was clear that there could have been serious repercussions for american consumers. i will start with you on this, do you think that there needs to be any sort of reconsideration of how much power union told in situations like this? >> unions are crucial for democracy. they are the balancing that we need to make sure that the people have power. workplace organizing is crucial for a healthy democracy. organizing in general is. there is a wonderful op-ed today in the ledger that i hope everyone will read. it outlines precisely why my opponent is terrible on labor.

he has fought against osha, safety requirements, he has fought against the minimum wage. he has cut the retirement benefits to law enforcement and to teachers when he was in the state senate. he has fought against the proactive which by the way is a bipartisan bill that chris smith signed onto. congressman king has never had to work hard. he has never had a physical job. i don't know if he has ever had mud on his shoes. when i am in congress, i will fight like i've always fought for working people, for the dignity of retirement, for the strength of our labor sector because in states where there is no labor sector, you see terrible things that would happen to north carolina where ceo forces his workers to going to the storm. i will always remember where you came from and be a fighter for the working class. >> congressman, feel free to jump in.

do you feel there is any sort of a volunteer that needs to be corrected? do you think that unions have too much ability to make these major things like the strikes that impact supply chains happen >> i was pretty delighted that the strike ended the way that it did. i think that that is a power of collective-bargaining. you can exercise your muscle and then you can negotiate terms that make sense. if anything, i think the powers the wrong way around. billionaires control too much capital in our society. people like elon musk are funding my opponent campaigned to the tune of two and a half million dollars so far accounting and they don't even know how to pronounce his name right. from my standpoint the working person needs a champion in congress and that person will be me. it is only the beginning. we need to fight hard for working people. >> we need to ensure that, you know, i support collective bargaining. i have long supported these positions. i support unions.

in fact they support me. the carpenters support me. the ironworkers support me. police and firefighters support me. they know that i have their backs. i will make sure that they have the opportunity to grow and focus and make sure they have a seat at the table because that is what i have done not only in the state legislature, but now in congress. my opponent has an extreme position. finding the common ground on policies so we can actually find the issues, you know, find a common ground. the port strike was all because people who have known each other for a number of years came together to find that solution. i support the solution. i think it should be implemented as it was done and negotiated. we need to make sure that while we continue to do that we need to have more manufacturing and more opportunity in this country

>> so, congressman, i actually want to ask about that union support. some unions consider you a reliable ally. in an objective sense a democratic-controlled congress is more likely to pass pro union legislation that a republican-controlled led congress. why should they vote for you rather than someone regardless of your personal views. rather than someone who will give democrats control of congress? >> well, we need people who have worked with the in my tenure in congress and before that in the legislature knowing i reach across the aisle to find a common ground, find a solution to make sure we respect the minimum wage and make sure that the people and also on the apprenticeship programs that we can find that common ground and make sure that people are graduating from high school college career ready. moving to an apprenticeship program if they want. they need to make sure they can go to a two-year or four-year college and make sure that the programs are there. we need to do it at a time and

pace that is more affordable. my opponent affords spending increases in tax increases that would actually make it so unaffordable to actually locate new jobs and innovative jobs here in this country. we will be doing things that are necessary. build the future of this country , the future of new jersey. new jersey cannot afford these extreme positions and overspending. >> sue altman. >> m jda, fat, 1199, the machinist, i pte electrical workers, healthcare workers come i think there even more, nurses, we have gotten a plethora of labor support. i am proud to be there champion in congress. project 2025 which is like a playbook for what the next administration republican agenda will look like, specifically wants to outlaw collective bargaining and out while the formation of labor unions and leave that up to the states

which, for me, is a euphemism for taking away rights. i know that this is a district that believes in the dignity of the working person and as a representative of this district, i will fight to make sure that all people who work hard every day will get a dignified retirement, will get important benefits like health care and you, congressman, have voted against those things at every turn. you voted to cut the pensions. you voted to cut the retirement benefits, the cost of living for teachers and law enforcement. you are fair weather friend of labor and there are many republicans who are much stronger labor than you are. >> would you like the 30 seconds to respond? >> the interest of the people that are literally building our economy and protecting our communities are bipartisan. they are not republican and democrat cultures. people, when you look at the carpenters and the other members , the police officers

know that to a person you support me. looking at the firefighters, they'll support me because they know i have their back. that we will find those solutions as i did just this past year when joe biden signed my bill into law to push the grant across the finish line to make sure the firefighters were protected. that is what we need to do whether republican or democrat. >> congressman, sign on to the proactive. >> joy, we will go back to you. >> the new jersey minimum wage hit $15.30 earlier this year. the federal minimum wage is just at $7.35. you support raising them federal minimum wage and how high do you think it should be? >> absolutely. we have to tied to cost-of-living. my opponent voted it down. animal wage is one of the best ways to make sure that our workers at least have the bare minimum to sustain themselves. it is barely enough.

if you are making $15 an hour, you may have to work two or three jobs to live in the seventh district. we have to be very, very mindful about the fact that minimum wage only gets us so far. we need to make sure that we are supporting healthcare in things like dental and vision. we need to make sure that we are supporting things like paid family sick time. the minimum wage is only the tip of the iceberg but it is absolutely vital we should absolutely 100% pass a federal minimum wage law. if my opponent was so pro worker he would be rushing out the door to sign onto that bill. i'm confused how we can claim to be pro worker and against the minimum wage. >> i think that this is an issue best handled at the state level. we also need to make sure we get the regulations and the taxes lower than they are right now. right now, new jersey is unaffordable. because of the policies my opponent supported. we have to make sure we have the jobs that are necessary make

sure that people can continue to seek and gain employment. the most important thing we can do is ensure that we lower the cost. my opponent supports every spending increase over the course of the last two and a half years that caused the most dramatic increase in inflation in the last couple of decades. she supports the regulatory policies that make it unaffordable for people to open small businesses. she supports policies of an overregulation that make it simply too expensive to operate too many small businesses here in the state. we need to make sure that we get those regulations. less than they currently are are on the state. >> so i would just like to ask -- i know we'd like to move on to other topics. just a number from each of you. what do you think is a reasonable federal minimum wage to have? >> i would like to see it in line with new jersey. by the way, there is no chance at elon musk what's happened million dollars into the campaign of somebody that is pro worker. that just will not happen.

>> congressman, what is your number? >> the best state-by-state basis >> you think the current federal minimum wage is a good place to leave it? >> as i said, i think this is an issue where the local economies know the issues important to them and having the policies that reflect that. also understand that we need to create new jobs for families as well and lower the cost. right now all of this federal spending is making this state far more unaffordable and we need to make sure that we are competing against people we need to be. >> we will move on. your next round of questions. >> americans largely wind up with the policy options that are put forth by political parties. so, what are the ideas that you see being championed by either party that you think ought to be

part of the solution on immigration in the border? would it be more effective to move troops currently stationed overseas to the us-mexico border or to shatter the border of illegal crossings reaches certain average threshold or should we raise the requirements for immigrants to receive political asylum? or are there different policy options and prefer to be part of the solution? >> as you know i've never stayed within the bounds of what political parties are offering. when i was in trenton i worked hard to do things like no one ever thought were possible. i will bill with your premise for the sake of conversation. on the issue of immigration we need to increase the amount of border security. we need to invest in security at the border. i do think the border has been a little bit of a mess. but we had a bill that passed through the senate that took big steps forward that would have made it, they would have been a step towards comprehensive immigration reform which is something the politicians from the time i was in middle school have been talking about and yet what happened was that bill

possibly passing the house, mike johnson put the kibosh on it and he did that because donald trump told him to. which is so frightening about a next mike johnson speakership is that nothing got done in washington. we had the most ineffective congress in history and dare i say the least effective congressman. when i am in congress i will, believe it or not, work across the border, work across the aisle to fix the border. >> i voted for the most comprehensive border security bill that ever passed in the house of representatives. passing on a bipartisan basis. we need to ensure that we put back. we need to have dock. something we also need to be looking at as something that needs to be kept. at the end of the day there was no bill that passed the senate. my opponent is lying about that. the bill that she would've supported she says would actually have increased the

number on a daily basis. a number of illegal border crossings that were okay where they were able to step in. that is an extreme position. even kamala harris and joe biden have backed away from that position with their current new proposal. we need to build the wall. we need to have more border patrol agents. we need to make sure that we have adjudication that is right. a nation of immigrants and also a nation of laws. >> i will give you 30 seconds. >> i'm just surprised you said build the wall. that is pretty incredible. yeah. donald trump wanted to run on immigration. he wants to fan the flames of xenophobia, of nationalism which is a cheap knockoff of patriotism. in our last town hall in sussex county, we had a fascinating conversation between a woman that was clearly nervous about

the influx of immigrants and someone who wanted to make sure that her son who was an adult disabled boy would be able to have the support of a home health aide who was an immigrant the two of them were able to find common ground. i know there is common ground on this issue in this country and without donald trump and his cronies fanning the flames of hatred, we can solve this problem. i look forward to being part of that solution. >> u.s. border patrol data show 56,000 monthly migrant encounters at the us-mexico border in august. as compared with 75,000 encounters and president trump's final month in office. can we agree that these are accurate snapshots of the border situation at two points in time and if so, what do they tell us about the political debate that we are seeing on immigration at the border? >> first and foremost, as you know, in the last three and half

years, there were over 10 million illegal unvented migrants who were led into this country because of a poor southern border. think about the consequences. that meant drugs that cross the border in unsecured southern order that affected our communities. child trafficking including drug trafficking. all of those are consequences of an unsecured southern and northern border. my opponent never stood against butte she supports a week southern border. we need to know who is coming to this country and we need to know what their intents are. it is who we are to make sure we have that strength. my opponent also would not look to strengthen the border patrol or have the resources necessary to make sure we are safe as a community. >> that is just inaccurate. i agree we need to have a handle on who is coming to this country

i agree we need to keep our communities safe. this is all a misrepresentation. donald trump's rallies have gone off the rails. you and doris donald trump. he is not talking about deporting immigrants forcibly using the army military and executive orders. that is a really dark scary thing. i am just so afraid that if you are in congress you will not stand up to this dark, terrible, twisted, toxic vision of america that donald trump has because you simply have not stood up to your own party since you have been in washington. this whole i want to leave it to the states thing is such a copout. it is a way for you to avoid accountability. not having townhouses another way for you to avoid accountability. not talking to the press, another way for you to avoid accountability. americans, new jerseyans, people in this district are sick and tired of trying to pin jell-o to the wall with you congressman, it is time for you to step up.

>> let's remember when you look into the border encounters, joe biden has changed his enforcement policy over the last couple of months because of an unenforced border so extreme. you look at the drugs on the street and the consequences with stolen cars and home invasions. those are all consequences of an unsecured southern border. it has made this country less safe. in fact, my opponent wants to go even further to the extreme to allow more people into this country that are unvented and illegal migrants. >> that is just not true, congressman. that is not true. >> yes. donald trump's promising mass deportations on day one of his presidency. these would inevitably be costly as much as a trillion dollars over 10 years and a large reduction in the gdp of more than 4% due to loss of workers in industries i cannot find enough labor. in addition to the humanitarian cost. will you support mass

deportations in congress and how should we cover these costs and what will not get done so that mass deportations can be prioritized? >> over the course of the last three and a half years, 10 million undocumented and unvented individuals. these are individuals that come from a whole host of the country in fact 60% of this problem would be solved if the remaining mexico policy were back in place able to have individuals stop in the country when they first arrived. they are people from all different countries, 194 country set up comment through an unsecured -- unsecured order. we need to make sure that those individuals who are criminals and have, could be deported. that is where you need to start. my opponent has an extreme position in this regard. she is to the left of joe biden right now on her policies on the border.

she supports illegal unvented people coming in unchecked. that is clear. she said that here tonight. we need to ensure we have people that can be leaders find the common ground and secure the southern border and make our communities safe. >> congressman, you just dodged the question. he asked you a very specific question. would you support deporting migrants. yes or no. >> we will let you finish your statement and then we can go back to tom for 32nd rebuttal. we will go ahead and let you finish your remaining 35 seconds >> now i know how the reporters feel. i obviously do not support deporting migrants. that is the end of my answer. >> would you like 30 seconds to respond? >> as i said in my first minute, i said we start to look at the

people that committed crimes and are here illegally, that is where we should start. the people here both illegally and you have a criminal record. >> okay. we will move on now. david wildenstein. we go back to you in your next set of questions. >> there are so many questions to ask. we are a little behind. what i would like to do is this. in this next round i will ask that you simply respond with your agreement or disagreement with a thumbs up or thumbs down. you both can be on the camera at the same time. if you feel you want to amplify your views, feel free to use both hands if you want. this is a nonverbal portion of the debate. it will allow us to move through some things very quickly, hopefully. and then we will give you each 60 seconds at the end to address anything that you would like to. let's put both candidates up

together. i will start with this. thumbs up if you agree, thumbs down if you disagree. joe biden was a fair and legitimate winner of the 2020 presidential election. >> congress should consider a constitutional amendment to eliminate the electoral college. >> thumbs up, thumbs down. >> okay. climate change is real and it is a threat to america's future. >> israel is committing genocide and the u.s. must stop supporting the war with hamas. casting your ballot by mail is safe and it is secure. >> some agreement now in this

round. congress should consider granting some form of reparations to black americans as part of the national apology for the practice of slavery. >> this is a an agree or disagree i will vote to fund a small -- strong national defense including nuclear weapons to ensure that the united states maintains a military advantage over the nations. social media is a threat to the mental health of children and to americans of all ages. >> bill murphy has been a great governor for new jersey. >> i am looking forward to another four years of donald trump in the white house. >> my party has done everything possible to help me win this

election. >> there are people currently serving in the u.s. house of representatives who are worse human beings in my opponent. >> there is extraterrestrial life on planet beyond earth. [laughter] i will unconditionally agree to vote to certify the results of the 2024 election regardless of whether my preferred candidate wins. >> okay. ms. altman, 60 seconds on that round of questions if anything comes to you that you would like to comment on. >> i want to talk about the reparations thing. so, new jersey remains a segregated state and i think

that it is important to study the ways in which we can stop segregation and stop the perpetuity of poverty in this country and, so, while i do not think i believe in reparations, i do think that we need to understand how not to repeat history and how to break the cycle of poverty in our country and that includes poverty across all races. white folks are black folks and everyone in between. we need to make sure that we are understanding why poverty seems to be generational and what we can do as a country to break it because of every child born of poverty, they have a lower quality of life, lower life expectancy, worse health outcomes, worse educational outcomes. nothing of the humanitarian problem there. it is a complete and tragic loss of human capital. >> congressman. >> my opponent supports getting rid of the electoral college. she wants to change the constitution. that was sp