we know you can't get all bias out of anything but going in with an open mind especially with gender bias and race bias would be important. the owner of this create a i act said hopefully they will be setting up. gpt 4 was created by scanning all 6 trillion words off of the internet but we know all 6 trillion words are not true or accurate or healthy of course. one of the other important bills comes out of all of the deep fakes, not just political deep fakes like donald trump hugging anthony fauci or joe biden telling people not to vote in new hampshire but the sexual assault ones.

one high school teacher in florida took pictures out of the yearbooks of the kids and did a ton of child sexual assault videos and photographs of these kids. taylor swift, the most famous victim of these dip fakes on sexual material, alexandria ocasio cortez who is on the committee also, it happened to her and she worked together with a lot of experts to put together the defiance act which passed the senate unanimously in july. one of the first bills we will probably take up in november and surprisingly before now it has not been ill legal to do a sexual deep fake of a classmate or friend or ex-girlfriend or ex-bfriend so this additional protection is very necessary. >> reporter: the house will debate artificial intelligence legislatn when they return for the lame-duck session in nomb. that is in addition to government funding.

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>> moderator: thanks for joining us for the special edition of central oregon daily news helping you make your choice this election season. ballots will arrive in the mail tomorrow making this debate your last chance to hear from the candidates in what could be the race to determine the balance of power in washington dc. for the last two years republicans held a slim majority in the house of representatives. oregon congressional district 5 is considered one of the most evenly split and hotly contested seats in the country. control of the seat by the republicans or democrats could very well be a tipping point in control of congress. the stakes are high, your vote matters more now than perhaps ever before. along with my fellow moderators, heather roberts and julie johnson from the bent bulletin. thank you for being here.

candidates this evening, republican incumbent lori chavez-deremer, it congresswoman who won her seat two years ago. the first election held in what was then the redrawn district 5. her challenger is state representative janelle bynum. janelle bynum is serving as state representative for happy valley. >> prior to accepting our invitation to this debate the candidates agreed to a set of rules, each candidate will have one minute for an opening statement as well as closing remarks. we conducted a coin toss to determine the order each response to each question will be limited to one minute and a one minute rebuttal. the moderator who asks the question can allow either candidate 30 seconds to clarify or add to their comments. this is strictly at the moderator's discretion. listeners and readers and league of women voters.

>> congresswoman lori chavez-deremer won the coin toss setting the order for us this evening. you have one minute for your opening remarks. >> chavez-deremer: thank you for hosting this event. it's important oregon voters. i'm happy to represent oregonians in this congressional district for the last 22 months. tonight you are going to hear a successful record of bipartisanship, how hard i worked in washington dc telling oregon's story and the successes we brought home to oregon's fifth congressional district. unlike what you will see from my opponent who is going to distract from her failed record in the state legislature for almost ten years, she's going to stand before you tonight and express her opinions but what we know is that she has a failed factual track record. she has supported rioters because she thinks she should work in concert with rioters, she has supported rapists because she think it is better

to protect them than the victims, she has protected criminals and drug cartels by having open street drugs for young people. the fentanyl crisis is killing our kids so i'm looking forward to taking your questions tonight and exposing her failed record. >> moderator: thank you. janelle bynum, one minute for your opening remarks. >> bynum: good evening. i am janelle bynum, a sport loving mom of 4, electrical engineer, small business owner and four term state legislator. i am running because washington isn't working for oregon's families. there's chaos, there is confusion and there isn't much getting done. i have worked across the aisle for the past 8 years looking at legislation and asking the question is it going to help working families? is it going to help us move ahead? are our children going to be better off than we are?

sadly, i can say that those same questions need to be asked when they are in washington as well. we don't know who is going to show up tonight. we don't know if it is going to be amaga extremist lori or trump loving lori. we know we need a champion who is ready to roll up her sleeves for working families for housing, healthcare, the economy and choice. i'm that champion and i am ready to get to work. >> juan saca -- a vast majority of americans have some concern what is happening at the us southern border. there is bipartisan border bills died in the senate this year. if either of you made it to the house would you have supported those bills, why or why not? >> because of the failed policies of this administration affected oregon, so many states are border states now and we

see that with the influx of the fentanyl crisis that is killing our kids and when you have measure 110 accepting that with open arms that my opponent led, come on in, drug cartels and poison our kids and people are dead because of the choices that she made and on those border bills we passed in the house of representatives the most strict border bill that we could have early last year which i supported which would have funded border patrol making sure they have the tools they needed to stop that. that is sitting on chuck schumer's desk in the senate. the senate bill that came forward and never got out of the senate so i didn't have the opportunity but i would have taken a hard look at it because we have to get the tools they need in the hands to stop the flow of drugs that we are not killing our kids in oregon. >> moderator: anything to say to that? >> bynum: representative lori chavez-deremer was not going to vote yes on that border bill because she follows trump and trump killed that bill.

we also know that i was a leader in the legislature making sure that we corrected any wrongs made with measure one hundred 10. i led the effort to make sure that fentanyl and other drugs were recriminalize with an emergency clause. i let in our community making sure we had a town hall before anybody else was even talking about fentanyl. the congresswoman can barely spell fentanyl, can barely articulate the actual problems occurring at the border because she is so far into trump's line of sight, she wants to please him, she's associated with him. we know that he killed that bill and that is a testament to how far she is associated with trump. we know she doesn't want the border bill to pass. >> similar question to janelle bynum. what specific actions would you seek to address on the issue of illegal immigration at the us southern border?

>> bynum: i worked on the border for 6 years, i worked on the border and i believe human trafficking is one of the largest atrocities related to the border as it stands. human trafficking is an issue. we know that drug trafficking is also an issue but we also know, in my time working there we know that the border is a function of our economy. we have to protect it but we have to make sure there's the free flow of goods and services to make sure that our economy is stronger. i work there. i understand what borders are like, it's not this free-for-all that lori chavez-deremer is claiming it is. it is part of our economy and we must protect it. >> i want to give you a chance to respond to. >> chavez-deremer: i've been there twice, the texas border and the arizona border and one of the things that was important to me was to secure the border which i voted for

making sure again that our border patrol has the tools they need so we can that the people coming into this country. we know 10 million people is not more and tens of thousands of those have records of criminality whether it is murder, rape, you cannot have an opponent who has done exactly here, allow people to die on the streets because of fentanyl, people are dying $0.80 a pill because of her failed policies because what she championed, she says she championed drugs on the streets that have killed, what do you say to those families that their kids are dead? she has no answer to it, failed policies, she can have her opinion all day long but she has failed policies she has a record on in the state of oregon which she always deflects from because she doesn't want to own it. at some point she's going to look in the camera and own up to those families who lost their children because she rolled the dice, she took a chance and failed.

>> bynum: i grew up during the crack cocaine epidemic. i remember what it was like seeing people strung out on the street. i understand what it means when you lose a family member to drugs and addiction. i get that. my opponent doesn't. she wants to sweep people under the carpet and throw them away like dogs. i believe in the rule of law. i understand what happens when your communities are afflicted with drug violence and gun violence. i understand it better than my opponent ever could. >> i want to move on to the issue of abortion if we can and start with you, representative janelle bynum. your website says i'm running to defend reproductive rights and codify roe versus wade at the federal level. if elected to represent oregon why should you decide what states like idaho, wyoming,

kansas, other conservative leaning states should do when it comes to when a woman can seek an abortion? >> the main question is will lori chavez-deremer vote to codify roe versus wade? >> scotus said you cannot. it' s a states rights issue. the luxury of voting in the house. >> he won't answer the question. >> is that a yes or no? >> let me get back to this and answer the question as to why liberal states should be able to decide what conservative states should do when it comes to a woman's right to an abortion? >> bynum: in a previous debate we talked about what happens when women cross borders, when women across state borders. i believe every american woman should have a right to have

decisions made between her and her doctor and it doesn't matter where in this country you exist, you should have the right to have your reproductive health options safeguarded by this country. the government should not come between you and your doctor. period. my opponent can't say that. >> different slant on that question. let's set the record straight on your position, you said you do not support a norton wide ban on abortion saying the supreme court did get it right making abortion access a state level issue. when so many other issues whether it is who you are allowed to marry or antidiscrimination laws are set at the federal level why set abortion for state-by-state issue? >> it was ruled by the supreme court. i want to be clear where i stand. pre-dobbs wouldn't stand for national abortion, i made leadership aware of that because oregonians matter here and oregonians have decided

they want access to abortion, 65% of oregonians said this is the access that they want. oregonians have determined that and scotus ruled in their favor, agreed with oregonians who say this is what you want. that's the position i take, that is the position i stand and i promised oregonians that i as one person would not be in the way of that at the federal level now that scotus has ruled this is a states rights issue and i will keep that promise oregonians. >> moderator: 30 seconds to respond. >> bynum: my daughter was deciding where to go for graduate school and she had her friend and her friend talked about the options they had. they are oregonians but they also said they weren't going to go to school in a state for medical training where there reproductive options were not protected. that to me is a travesty. we deserve to make sure young women across this country have access to abortion wherever they are, wherever they choose

to study, wherever they choose to vacation they ought to have access, full stop. >> moderator: lori chavez-deremer you acknowledge the diversity we have in the fifth district. how have you specifically you forged the divide to represent all constituents? >> chavez-deremer: this district is so unique. the urban divide is real, they try to understand what the differences are, so many commonalities and i want to make sure we are listening to both sides. for far too long people in rural areas in this part of the strict felt left behind with portland, that they are not being listened to. as a former mayor, as a small business owner it's my opportunity to say i'm listening to all sides. i've taken that story to congress. i'm the second most bipartisan member of congress and that is by my track record. over the 300 bills that i'm on

over 84% of those are bipartisan. i worked with my colleagues in oregon, all of them. i sit with several committees. i'm on the problem solvers caucus which means we are trying to have common sense pragmatic thoughtful, center forward decisions that are made. i take it very seriously. i roll up my sleeves every day and say how my going to tell oregon's story. nationalizing any of these issues is not important to me. what is important to me is how oregon app store and make sure we do that and i will continue that to the 119th congress. >> moderator: some of the question for you. if elected how do you plan to bridge the urban, rural or east and west divide to represent all constituents? >> bynum: i believe in town halls. lori chavez-deremer hired a heckler to sit up front. i taught her to how to do town halls. i will continue to do town

halls. i'm well known for doing my town hall where you bring the tacos and i come as we talk about whatever issue is on your mind and your heart, whatever group wants to host that. i do walk in town halls, i've done them at the high school, at the mall. i've been a person that is always been known to be accessible, to be open and to make sure even if you and i agree on things or disagree on things that i'm open to new ideas. what is challenging about this district is the there's a mountain that separates us but through conversation, through understanding, through listening, i think we get to solutions. >> moderator: the allegation you hired a heckler to attend the town hall. >> bynum: that was on transportation and the lack of leadership she was going to

show for residents of happy valley that was growing. this is 2,024. this is not 2016. we have to have a dose of reality. i've accepted every single debate that was offered. my opponent chose not to. why? because she wants to hide behind her failed policies. when she can't answer bipartisanship at the legislature, they have the house, they have the senate and they have the governor's mansion. there's no reason for her to listen to everybody else. >> moderator: the next question. we've seen this issue throughout the district from the streets of bend national forest, home of site cleanup throughout the district. what concrete steps would you take to address the homelessness crisis at the federal level? >> is it my -- >> representative janelle bynum. >> bynum: addressing the homeless crisis at the federal level. i think it's a variety of

attacks meaning attacking the problem. as an engineer i kind of think of what are the root causes and how do we fix them. one of the things i'm proud of is working on tiny homes, transitional housing, making sure we have the legislation available so that people could have transitional housing sites, making sure we have the infrastructure to develop transitional housing sites. it's more infrastructure needed from the federal government rather than less. what i really think is important is that we can't trust lori chavez-deremer to offer that funding because she is part of a regime in washington dc that is not getting anything done. we heard her say she is on 300 bills, i don't know how many of them have passed but it is just rubberstamping the trump agenda, rubberstamping a chaotic agenda and not moving the needle on housing as we should.

>> moderator: what steps would you take to address the homelessness crisis at the federal level. >> chavez-deremer: this is a state issue, housing, however going to have more affordably but i want to go back quickly to what bills have passed. she throughout nonsense about not knowing how to spell fentanyl. one of the bills signed by the president of the united states was to fend off intellect to make sure we could protect our young again on the street so we work hard in congress and making sure bills come forward, that she has created on the street and the homeless and housing and affordability i have worked continuously to give the funding on the infrastructure for small communities the state will not help, small communities like bend, redmond given the infrastructure projects to grow and have the housing affordability but we've done the american relief for families act, choice in a formal housing bill that i

supported that i worked through hud with and child tax credits and child tax for dependents so people can afford their rent. the voucher program that i sponsored as well so we are doing our part at the federal level and she won't hold out her hands to help oregonians. >> moderator: thank you. >> moderator: let's they were the homeless issue and let's start with you, lori chavez-deremer. the homeless crisis having a particularly big impact in central oregon. we've witnessed a number of fires across the area. when in particular the comes to mind is the darlene 3 fire determined to have been started in an encampment. these are individuals who are spending months if not years on federal land. the blm, the forest service both basically crickets when asked what are you doing about the 14 day limit that people have to camp out on federal land, do you believe part of the homeless solution should

involve federal agencies and should things like forest service and blm be doing more? >> working together interagency coalitions are so important in congress making sure we are addressing what the problem is and assisting state partners when they are failing at doing our job as well but we have a lot of federal lands in central oregon and throughout the state, and talking to what that will do at the local level, the state level and the federal level, we want to make sure there is funding for mitigating our aforesaid making sure we are managing them in a way they are not burning up the 2 million acres we expensed the cycle and we have the firefighters but we are talking about homelessness, we are talking about drug addiction, mental health, homelessness all wrapped around together. one of the bills that i've been working on is the direct care act, street medicine, in central oregon to address the

needs of our most vulnerable and talking about the forest fires because we have to address of that. millions of acres can go up at the heat we are experiencing so i'm doing everything i can but the state government has to step up and make sure we are managing and supporting local agencies as we are doing so but we need to get more funding to local agencies as well. >> moderator: what are you willing and prepared to do to get more federal resources to deal with the homeless living in the forests? >> bynum: it's important to point out lori chavez-deremer support an arbitrary cut of 30% to federal government resources and that, i think, is quite shameful. when you talk about agencies working together with state agencies and city level elected leadership, there can't be that if your impetus is to go in and cut immediately.

it's disingenuous that you had to cut the very surfaces that oregonians rely on which would be blm. that's basic to me. i think that is one piece to focus on. the other one is simply the reasons for homelessness. it is inhumane to step over bodies on the streets or in our forests. it is inhumane and we should work harder to make sure that's not a reality for any oregonian. >> moderator: few disagree with you but the question i asked was not answers about either of you. what is the federal role in maintaining a 14 day limit on people camping in the forests when there are so many fires around here and so much threat for the residents of central oregon? >> the enforcement is key, getting funding for local agencies and finding the manpower to do so to enforce and working with local issues. local agencies.

the blm lands in forest lands, i work every day in congress with our agencies making sure we have that conversation and so she's not telling the truth again about funding. she's talking about specifically nothing that has to do with that. what was her answer? i think we should work harder, what have you been doing for 10 years at the state agency to support this? nothing. you have not, there is more homeless today than when you started because you have failed in your policies. >> moderator: janelle bynum, if elected to congress what is the priority when it comes to blm and the forest service dealing with those spending months if not years in the woods? >> bynum: is a priority and i believe in enforcement and it's important to have somewhere to go. one of the things we've learned over time is shifting people from place to place to place is not a solution. the solution has to be holistic.

you have to have wraparound services, you have to have additional housing units and you have to have enforcement and you have to be serious. my opponent is not serious about bringing solutions, that's the difference, we can't trust her. >> moderator: we are going to move on to election integrity. following the recent revelation the oregon dmv registered more than 1200 people to vote without verifying their citizenship, do you trust the integrity of oregon's election and will you accept the outcome of the election on november 5th? >> bynum: accepting election outcomes is a problem of trump friends, trump cronies, my opponent could barely accept the outcome. i think i had to ask directly whether biden really won. for me it is about having safe

and secure elections. i had grandparents who couldn't vote. that to me has made me a democracy defender. it has made me instill within my children this idea that civic participation is a requirement, it's not optional. i believe election integrity is something we should fight for, we should defend and i've called for an investigation on the issue that happened at the secretary of state's office and i expect whoever made the mistake will be held accountable. >> moderator: you said multiple times president biden won the election and the question is would you accept the outcome of this election, yes or no? >> bynum: absolutely. >> moderator:. you accept the outcome of this election?

>> chavez-deremer: the concern has come up that 1500 noncitizens were identified registered to vote and that's a concern for all oregonians, that's our democracy, free and fair elections. i wrote a letter to the secretary of state's office and the governor's office asking let's identify where we can do better because oregonians do expect free and fair elections. i would and that is what we count on but we should do the investigation and find out why. my opponent voted for that bill. we have to check into it. i think it -- accountability matters. on this election absolutely, we do agree with that at the federal level too. this is going to be a tossup election, we know that, for the presidency. doesn't change how we work. i signed on to two agreements to support this election with my colleagues, bipartisan letter, unity letter that says we will accept the outcomes of this election when all is said and done and that is important to do and important to tell or