but also for long-term sustainability? >> agriculture is not the enemy and if not careful, we tend to demonize is in agriculture and i believe not only are they not there enemy, they are the solutn and we need to listen to them. this last week we are focused for we talk about these. i will raise 1 million, with most innovative solutions that your next summit. ...

one of the top concerns i have heard from utah focus is about this and what's happening to great salt lake because right now great salt lake is at a record low. the exposed lakebed with toxic minerals is causing dust to blow. i think of my baby matthew and his lungs and the poison he is being exposed to and it is not okay. we are not going to damn our way out of this and 71% of the water diverted is going to agriculture so not only do we need to speed up water conservation methods to get more water to the great salt lake but we also need to redefine and revamp our entire western way of looking at water because the colorado river basin is connected. water is a finite resource. we are not going to get another drop. we need action on the climate

crisis and we cannot keep sending the same kind of politician and expecting a different result. time for next generation to step in. >> your thoughts on water. >> a couple points with that, the utah legislature passed a law allowing water to be going to the great salt lake as beneficial use. this was a big mistake. you can't legislate the lake level. when i was alive and utah in the 80s it was at flood stage as they were pumping it out into the desert and it will be at flood stages again. the pioneers recognize water is a critical resource for utah, beneficial use meant using it for farming and to live, to drink. changing that definition to allow a certain amount to go to the lakes, very dangerous for our state. my republican opponent who is a former democrat, i found out he didn't refute that. he was chair of the democrat party in utah county from

2001-2002, pass legislation giving federal money which means federal streams to utah water authorities, that's very dangerous. >> i want to remind all candidates anytime you specifically refer to another candidate on the stage, they will get an additional 30 seconds. i heard you refer in a way that you need to respond to so we will give you 30 seconds. >> what a negative about being former democrat if you were? >> whether it is negative or not, it warrants a rebuttal and you have 30 seconds for that. >> i'm very proud of everything i've done in the past. i've worked hard consistently throughout my life to promote utah values. three decades ago i did work within the democratic party because i thought the republican party was losing its base in utah county.

we were electing republicans without anybody having a chance to vote on it. it was all done in back rooms and there were lots of reasons i can't explain in 30 seconds but if you are damning somebody because they were once a democrat you have to rule out donald trump, ronald reagan, >> on that note we have to move on. >> he did mention my name. >> i will give you 30 seconds. >> gleich: my problem is being elected as a republican on several issues continuing to vote like a democrat, he mentioned the climate is his main issue. this is more of an issue of the left and he's very involved in the climate and going to un climate caucuses which have an agenda but harmful to utah. it is not just the party affiliation but what that represents. after being elected as a republican.

>> moderator: you are saying -- >> gleich: this extremism is not what the voters of utah are concerned about. it is not about who marries who or who's bathroom people can go to, that's not the role of the government and i feel that our current leadership is taking us down a dangerous path. the risk management. it's time for the next generation to come in and get our country and our states back on track. >> this conversation leads quite nicely into our next topic, political climate of the day. utah voters listing it as one of their top concerns when it comes to political discord in this year's election. take a look at some things that have gone on in the senate. there's been some pretty harsh partisan divide particularly when it comes to nominations,

filibuster rules and spending bills so as senator, how would you work to bridge these political divides? first response goes to caroline gleich. >> gleich: we've seen extreme polarization. when i was working for ted wilson, democratic environmental advisor, absolute legend for utah working for a republican administration governor gary herbert. i saw this beautiful example of people coming together who don't always agree on things sitting down, finding common ground and path forward. i know as of voter and as a citizen i don't think about issues as red or blue, i don't think of states as red or blue and i don't attach a dnr to things i care about like clean air or climate action or reasonable government that solves a problems. one of the things that i think is leading to that is the current leaders we have an office today in the extremism of the republican party pulled

to the right by the leadership of donald trump and that is something that i will continue to stand up to and give back to addressing these issues we need solutions on. >> or put thoughts on political divide and how you would work to bridge that? >> having a disagreement doesn't mean you're being disagreeable. just because i bring up things, i'm not doing it in a disagreeable way. it's very factual. that's totally appropriate. i disagree that utah voters don't care about values which i think we care a lot. we've seen men competing in women's sports, we've seen women getting injured, we've seen title ix arbitrarily interpreted by the biden administration to mean including men can compete in women's sports when the very intent of that legislation was for women to compete against women. these are very relevant issues. and this is mitt romney's old seat. mitt romney was the only republican out of the entire

house or senate to vote to impeach donald trump in 2020 and most utah nuns didn't like that. it was very out of touch with what they expected their us senator, concerned my gop opponent who is a former democrat will be romney 2. oh. 0. >> the question goes to you, you were once again mentioned by name, 30-the second rebuttal. >> i think what you are seeing in this back and forth although not terrible is exactly what utah voters are tired of. makes great campaign slogans but is not governing. one of the things people know about me and i just won republican primary with four contenders with 50% of the vote. is that i do go back to govern, not to campaign. i do like to solve issues. i passed almost 20 bills into law in the seven years i've been in congress. almost all that time has been

in a divided congress. that means you have to get democrats, you have to get republicans to find that cross section to agree to that legislation. in my 30-seconds, carlton is bent on this former democrat thing. utah voters get to decide who represents their values. i will point out again that almost half of all republicans picked me in a four way republican primary because i represent their values and nobody on the stage is known better to the voters than i am. i like where i am. i think the voters like it and they will get to decide in a couple weeks if that's in harmony with their values. >> i was mentioned twice by name. i did not hear carlton bowen come out -- >> bowen: twice.

>> moderator: we are going to move on. and important question she wants to ask and we are going to move on. her name is marina paul and the floor is yours. >> i'm working to register, prepared educate students on campus. do you believe the younger eligible voting population should be more involved in the voting system and how do you plan to reach them so they stay engaged? >> bowen: absolutely. the younger generation has a lot of potential to influence elections and i think there's a lot of great people in the younger generation the do not register to vote and do not vote. i would encourage them to do so. it a question how to reach this generation, through video games or through social media depending on the gender may be because there are differences. although i have a daughter-in-law who is an excellent gamer i will say. but i think it's important to

reach out to the younger generation, for them to be involved and i think there is, you talked earlier about political climate. on the campaign trail i've had an opportunity to talk to a lot of people do. some are triggered, you bring up the word trump, people, reason goes out of their head, they get emotional, they walk away, that is impacting the younger generation. a lot of people are afraid to speak up on issues like values in their class because they feel they will be silenced and rejected which is unfortunate. >> time is up. thank you for your response. >> curtis: the third congressional district is the youngest district in the country so thank you for your question. it's very relevant. and utah uses a big deal. i would point out a couple things. if we are going to connect with the younger voter, if we are going to get them engaged, first of all we have to go to them, use their tools, social

media is a big part of that, really proud of the work me and my team does on social media to connect and reach out with people but it is more than that which we have to understand the issues, things that are important to you. housing has been brought up, that's a big worry too many people in that demographic, climate has been brought up, that's a big issue too many in your demographic and we've got to be able to talk about these things in a way that they relate to. i fear the too often my party just complains about you not being engaged and doesn't spend enough time explaining our principles and why we feel the way we do and hopefully we can do a better job of that. >> gleich: one of the biggest goals of my campaign is to inspire young people to get more involved politically had to inspire the next generation of leaders to step up and run for office. at 38 years old i am the average age of america, we are the fastest growing state in the nation.

the average age of the united states senate is 65. with all due respect to the older generation, you deserve a leader that's more in touch with the issues young people are facing today and as utah's next senator i will work diligently to ensure that young people have access to government as a problem-solving tool and i will do that by having universal voter registration when you get your drivers license. i will work to have universal vote by mail using the model we have in utah and i will pass voting day, a national holiday and also pass comprehensive campaign finance reform to end citizens united and ensure that corporations and billionaires cannot buy an election. >> we referred little earlier to nominations specifically, response ability of the senate. let's dig deeper into judges and how they are nominated and more importantly confirmed by the senate. wasn't that long ago judges

could go before the senate and it wasn't all that controversial, that is changed as of late. talk about what it is, the most important qualities you would look for when assessing a judicial nominee as to whether or not you would give them your confirmation and this question goes to mr. curtis first. >> >> curtis: number one qualification is do they understand the constitution, are they committed to the constitution, will they interpret the constitution the way the founders intended rather than the whims of the political day. that's very important for me. if there's a second characteristic it would be the characteristic character of that individual and of course their service and education and other things play into it but number one for me is constitution adherence to the constitution as intended by our founders. >> gleich: i believe in our founding fathers vision in the separation of power in check and balance.

we see branches of government, the executive, judicial and legislative branches but currently our supreme court has been radicalized by the appointment of these nominees and we've seen some really troubling decisions that are impacting our everyday lives and that are eroding that separation of powers and especially on the executive branch, we should be troubled by the chevron decision, the presidential immunity decision and the overturning of roe versus wade with the dobbs decision. some of the things i would do to change that are to enact a binding code of ethics for supreme court justices and to enact 18 year supreme court justice term limits to ensure these leaders are not being influenced by billionaires, special interest groups or other types of corruption. >> reporter: if you are the next us senator from utah how would you assess a judge?

>> bowen: i would use the u.s. constitution. the u.s. constitution had very few roles for the federal government. the founding fathers established our constitution to provide national defense and diplomacy. what my opponents are proposing is what they voted for is way more than that. increasing the deficit, all of that. i disagree with what was said about the supreme court rulings. i think the supreme court rulings are excellent and the justices that have been put on the bench are applying the text of the constitution and that is why we are getting these excellent rulings that go back to the original intent of the constitution. i would also use that as a criteria. the main criteria. my understanding of the constitution and what it allows the federal government to do and what it doesn't is much different than my opponents. >> moderator: i will take a follow-up. 30-seconds each.

there's been some talk about potential terms and limits when it comes to the us supreme court or even at the federal judge level. would you support those or not and why? >> curtis: i like the supreme court, ironic that when the supreme court is not making decisions that are in harmony with an individual's beliefs somehow it is the fault of the supreme court. i join carlton in saying i like the decisions, the chevron doctrine is an incredible important decision not just for the united states but utah. are federal agencies have grown out of control and the chevron doctrine is a way to rend the men. i don't support term limits for them. i don't support increasing or packing the court and i think the supreme court has done a fabulous job the last few years and through history even though i haven't agreed with all their decisions. >> gleich: i support term

limits for our supreme court justices and for federal judges because the longer someone is in office the more likely they are to be unduly influenced by foreign actors or other influences, corporations, billionaires. we need to make it easier to get new leaders with fresh ideas and better leadership and representation. >> moderator: 30-seconds. >> bowen: this constitution that establishes judiciary for life, you need a constitutional amendment to change that and i'm opposed to that. we just need to have a good vetting by the u.s. senate which is one of the primary roles of the senate to make sure judges are going to vote the way they say, that we understand their judicial philosophy and i am opposed to changing the constitution to do that. >> moderator: we are now going to get into foreign policy. as we speak there are several

global hotspots. talk to us about who you think or what you think is the greatest threat to united states interests currently and what specific actions should be taken to manage that? >> gleich: i had the opportunity to visit an aircraft carrier in the adriatic sea under nato control. i was inspired to go on that trip by my father who is the career air force veteran. on this aircraft carrier i felt enormous pride in the young men and women that served and that work with nato countries around to ensure that we are standing up to the rise of dictators nationally. what worries me, internationally. what worries me is seeing the party, the republican party this trying to get the us to withdraw from nato. that will harm our standing and

be a huge impediment to the defense of democracy worldwide. i'm deeply troubled by the rise of authoritarian regimes around the world and we need to stay in nato and stay with our democratic allies around the world. >> moderator: your thoughts on the biggest threat to united states interests globally. >> bowen: to start off with since i didn't get included in my opening statement i served in the united states air force honorably and my wife of 37 years, linda and i, have 6 children and 14 grandchildren, we live in texas, virginia and south korea. i disagree that the republican party has been trying to withdraw from nato. donald trump wisely was getting nato member countries to increase their donations to nato. he helped nato a lot and again i am the only pro-trump candidate. i appreciate and support what he has done in the past and what he will do again in the future.

i don't know why a republican candidate for u.s. senate from utah would not endorsed donald trump, the republican nominee for president. >> moderator: your thoughts on the biggest global threat to our interest in specific action. >> i will give you a long-term and short-term. from you long-term is china. i lived in taiwan for three years, i speak mandarin. i was on a chinese task force in the house of representatives and while i dearly love the chinese people in the chinese culture i am very worried about their leaders, dictatorship is as hard on their own people as on other people. our relationship with china is severely broken and we need to fix that relationship. we don't have the option of decoupling. we need to fix the relationship. long-term i think that poses the greatest threat. short-term i'm worried about ukraine, the middle east. i had a chance to live in jerusalem in 1979 when jimmy carter signed a peace accord with egypt and israel. i was there in my office

hanging the newspaper i kept from the next day with the three of them shaking hands which people said would never happen. bottom line we have to distinguish who are our friends and who are our enemies. iran is not our friend. israel is our friend. hamas is not our friend. we've got to be very clear, flattering putin is not our friend. we have to be clear. who are our friends and you are not. >> moderator: immigration is a big concern also for voters and has been a focus of campaigns at the state and national level. congress has talked about but struggled to pass legislation when it comes to immigration so as a senator what must be included in legislation for you to support it and what would be a deal killer? >> bowen: i support legal immigration. i'm opposed to illegal immigration. we need to enforce the law. the problem with immigration isn't that our laws are

defective but we aren't enforcing our laws that we currently have. i will note that my republican opponent who is a former democrat sponsored a bill, hr 6637 that basically provided amnesty for illegal immigrants and i am opposed to amnesty. i would not include amnesty. it encourages people to break the law again in the future. it is a huge problem. if you do amnesty as a compromise you continue to have this problem be worse down the road. >> moderator: when it comes to immigration, what would legislation need to include and what would be a deal? >> a few seconds to deal specifically with amnesty. >> yes but if you would like let's get your answer first. >> what you' re saying is politicking versus governing. it's very easy to stand back and say amnesty. it's very easy to stand back

and say whatever, that we didn't vote for this bill or that bill. reality of it is we have a broken border and a broken immigration system. anybody who puts their neck out and tries to put a plan forward has their head whacked off by the political extremes as you alluded to. i agree there are political extremes. let me tell you what amnesty is according to this bill. in the bill that i supported and proud to support called the dignity act, one of the best answers i have seen, it had a provision that said if you are here illegally, for the next ten years you have to pay $1000 fine every year. you have to report to the police and designate that you came to this country illegally. and obey the law and at the end of ten years you go into another five year program which in the first ten years 2% of your wages go to a fund that builds the wall. the next five years you

demonstrating. proficiency and at the end of 50 years after you pay that, you are eligible to go to the end of the line and that's called amnesty. you see why we are not making progress in washington dc. we've got to get away from this narrative. we could solve this in an afternoon. >> moderator: i gave you one minute and 30 seconds. >> gleich: i will be lenient with your time as well. >> gleich: we need to secure the border where it is economically and environmentally feasible to do so. we need to deplore more border agents and deploy modern technology to stop the influx of fentanyl. beyond that we need to provide veteran immigrants with a legal pathway to citizenship and

folks in congress have the opportunity to do that and failed to take action and i would pass the bipartisan immigration bill congress worked for over a month on. beyond that we need to put ourselves in the immigrant communities too. utah was founded by people who came here to find a better life for themselves and their families and i would expect our officials and our leaders would have more kindness and compassion in our hearts for how we treat our immigrant communities because they are our neighbors, hard-working taxpaying citizens and we need to do more to ensure that they feel safe and to stand up against this hateful and denigrating rhetoric that i have seen around our immigrants and last of all we cannot go back to the trump era family separation policies. those were inhumane and cruel and i feel strongly that our immigrant communities deserve better. >> rebuttal to that since you referred to me?

>> i didn't hear her refer to you as hateful. >> he just said it. i didn't hear her as though addressing you. >> the conversation and what those who are here to hear from you as a candidate i would like to make a judgment call and move on to the next topic and that is abortion. the us supreme court overturning roe versus wade, leaving it to the states to decide. what we have seen since then is a patchwork of laws throughout our country. many because of that are calling for federal legislation to make it standard across the board. do you believe that that is the way to go or do you support it at the state level? and this one will first go to mr. curtis. >> curtis: people that know me know that i'm absolutely pro-life but we don't talk about the fact that i'm also pro life of the mother. i'm also pro-life of the baby

after its born. yes, the supreme court did make a decision that sent that to the states and i support that the decision. i believe that's where it needs to be. i also think that's where we will find the most thoughtful conversation about how to deal with this and let's be honest, republicans tend to talk about the babies incessantly, democrats as a stereotype talk about the mother's incessantly. both of those are important. we've got to find common ground between those and i think that's best done on the state level and i think what you are seeing in utah where there is vast agreement that we need exceptions for the life of the mother, rape and incest and we have to have a thoughtful conversation about the health of the mother altogether are important conversations that will happen better on a state level. >> moderator: would you support a national standard or handle it at the state level? >> gleich: we have seen dyer and intended consequent as of

the dobbs decision. in states like utah with this uncertainty we see one in 5 ob/gyns considering leaving, we've seen an increase in the number of women who died during childbirth. we also have seen this spread into attacks on ivf. for my husband rob and i, ivf may be the only way that we can start a family in the future. my opponent has said i wish as a man i didn't have to make these decisions, representative curtis, you don't. it's long past time to end this egregious government overreach into our most personal and intimate decisions. utah deserves a us senator that trusts families to make the best decisions for themselves free from government intervention. >> bowen: several things to unpack here. a baby's heart is beating by six weeks. it has its own blood supply which is different from the mother's blood. by 10 weeks our baby is fully formed, ten fingers, ten toes, organs, the entire child. abortion ends a human life.

without that human life having any input into it. so i'm 100% opposed to abortion. my republican opponent was a former democrat said that he is pro-life and i'm glad to hear that because there was a recent interview of one of his staffers who said that actually he isn't so i'm glad to hear that he is. to get to what my other opponent was talking about with abortion, the leftist rhetoric is harming women, there is no state in the united states where you cannot get healthcare for a miscarriage from an abortion but there are women who are afraid to get it at the same with ivf, that's not an abortion related issue. >> you are both specific limited, mister curtis, we start with 30 seconds for you. >> curtis: the quote was not as you quoted. i wish there were more women in elected office to help ak