>> more coming on the abortion pill, about 63 percent of abortions in the u.s. that remain on the market. >> i don't think people should be telling us what medicines we can get prescribed by our doctor, yes, i think should be set up but the problem is when the dobbs decision happened that women are not able to get it the type of medication. and so many different states. >> were going to move on. >> so when you to where left together, curtis bashaw recently were 900,000 illegal aliens new terminology, his estate presence here is making people feel safe. sue people really feel unsafe and why i'm with a 900,000 were to become front. >> ... ber came

from a report from the new jersey assembly and i know they are other reports that were four or 500,000 so let's say somewhere around half a million illegal people living in new jersey. i will say this having driven 75,000 miles on 75000 miles on my car since january 15 for all 21 counties and talking to so many oflk our citizens. people are concerned. this in affordability are the two issues. i don't understand. i want to know from congressman kim, do you really think the border policy is worked for new jersey? we have allse of these people. i don't think the substance of telling mitt on truth they felt less secure. it's a level playing field issue. our immigrant communities are the most obsessed about this there is an open back door into our country where you can cut thee. line. it's such a common sense of

fairness issue. the rank and file trade the fact you can come to her back door. i locked the back door of my house last night. that isth okay. that's not a big deal. what we have holes in the board of the people walk through. i stood there and watch a 62 people between 12:30 a.m. until 3:00 a.m. in the morning. all over the world as if they had tsa pre-check. it's an absurdity and you realize, talk about politicizing an issue. we should decouple borderd security from immigration policy. it's okay to have a boundary with ports of entry and be lockable. the cost to our state. the concern for our state is impacting christian policy. come and finish my thought here. i support that one 100%. that's another issue we need to resolve in a bipartisan way.

one third of my workforce are first or second generation americans. one of the great highlights of my life was being sworn in as an honorary judge for aho day to swear in three of our employees when they naturalized. i loved immigration want to work to make that work. but having a secure border you said we don't need to go there. we cannot poorly process without doing that voted against sevenav bills would have at least try to address this border security issue. just the other day. i'm passionate about this. i was in warren county and the candidates i don't introduce themselves as more of a republican rally. this woman said to us and no ons brought up fentanyl. so after words i walked right up to her and said i lost my daughter. i am raising her child. why are you talking about fentanyl? we just hugged. we cannot ignore the fact this

is an issue. that's why a lot of voters are going to vote for me were not republican. parks how much of that you want to agree with or disagree? what's on it work backwards. feel there's a disconnect. i also am very concerned about fentanyl. i lose at a least one person a y and my congressional district, every day to opioid overdose. this is a attacker of catastrophe. so much of the conventional challenge we have, we are having prescription drug challenges. fentanyl coming into america is brought in by american citizens. other issue. the fact he raised it so nonchalantly adds to the sense people crossing the border migrants are the reason for the fentanyl crisis. i disagree. i do agree with what you said we should try to separate border security from immigration discussion.

over the course of my career at work and counterterrorism. of course i want to keep our countryp safe. i believe that as a sovereign nation we need to have controlve over all of our borders land, air, sea. that's what i have supported border security measures when they're not weapon icing it in a way to try to attack president biden and other things like that. a lot of the legislation you raises or pieces of legislation have a poison pill elements and at that are trying to take away resources from children that come on their own and other things like that. but there are sensible approaches.it why is it there such a large migrant challenge right now and our country. andno part not just because of border security but 682 federal immigration judges in thein country. they have 3 million pendingon immigration cases. it would take 10 years to just get through those cases. so yes, we should surge the

number of immigration judges we have. we should increase asylum officers did bipartisan deal that came up in the senate is addressing some of these. these are things that are going to help us be able to get this underge control. approximate dig into the decoupling a little bit. what does that mean? and how does it work? and who takes care of immigration? who takes care border security?e >> i just think it's more common sense stuff. that sounded like a d.c. insider to t me going to the reasons and rationale while there's a hole in the wall that people are walking into every single day. they are coming to new jersey. maybe is not all fentanyl but are you really try to cite no fentanyl is coming to the polls in the border? the fact is closing a border, habit portals be lockable in enforcing our laws. why isn't that a big deal?

why haven't you done it? new jersey wants to know. it does not make any sense to them. i hear it every day. chris we have invested significant amounts of money and bipartisan way to try to address the issue of fentanyl coming into our country. for instance a lot of that is happening through trucks and other means and that's happening in the different ways. that's what we need scanners, we need technologies, other things like that we have put forward but that something i will continue. click the view been there to see the holes in the wall? >> look, i have been working on a lot of national security issues. document to the board and seen? >> know i've not gone to the border to look at it. my point is when you see it, congressman, it seems absurd that we don't fix the holes in the wall. it is just absurd. and voters see that.

i'm just tellingju you. look, what i will say is we supported border security i have supported walls and barriers in the right places but we do not need what you are proposing which is a wall from sea to shining sea. >> it protects our holes out there right now. just do it. you are in charge. quickly move this on a little bit. the question of mass deportation, do you support that proposal by the formerr president? and how would something like that worker? would the impact of that be? it's really impractical. i doed think we need to know who is here it is why, there's more people coming every day. it just makes sense to secure the border we have. let's not make the problem worse. those who are here, i would definitely and getting to know

who they all are, if they are a criminal or have a criminal history from their country from our country i think that is reasonable to ask him to goo home. we need to have a compassionate conversation. a we need to make some paths for citizenship in my opinion is not possible to deport 10 million people. >> not only impossible to do but look, it would also be terrible for our economy as well. thisl. is something i talk to people across new jersey, i talked to a lot of businesses that said we need the workforce rightt now. can we make sure people coming in, they can get the work authorization and c other things like that? it makes economic sense. i think on this question are on a similar path. we want to make sure there are pathways afford. pass the dream and promise act for our docket dreamers. it used to be bipartisan but hope it can be defined more people that we can work within different ways. but look, i think that is

something we want to make sure we are addressing. >> when should deportation be an option? >> we have on the books for instance if someone is convicted of crimes, especially violent crimes. drug offenses and other things like that these are means by which to be able to deport. we have that on the law already. those are actions that would be supportive of. >> there was a time when the gang of eight close to an actual deal on immigration. if something like that were to ever happen again unlikely it seems is this partisan divide we are experiencing now. but, what would need to be in t national immigration reform bill for you? one of two things, took them off. >> i think that we need to have a process that's legal.

we need to have a secure border you could not have a process of there's a backdoor shortcut. so that is one. and two, we need people like me. i believe political outsiders not careert politicians in d.c. insiders down there rolling up their sleeves to work across the aisle to bring people together around a vision. i agree we need workers one third of my employees are first or second generation americans. >> let's do this on a a bipartin way. but easier said than done clearly.ly >> help go to the senate and with these folks into shape? what should i not try? i am just saying we need people to try. that is the conversation we will start. there are senators down there that do want to work in a bipartisan way. we are not going to solve our countries problems from the

extreme were going to solve them from the middle. we do not mean people about one of the% of the time with their party. they're going to cross back and forth. pull people together. when i get congress hole did coe said it was impossible. >> 45 seconds on that question. >> i am happy it's important component of that. but also we wantn to make sure e take these steps to be able to ensure to have legal pathways will be increase the numbereg of legal pathways there's a huge backlog of people these are people that want to come, high skilled labor people who went into bait here, build businesses right now are shutting the door on them int so many different ways. i hope we have the pathway forward for docket dreamers and others to show them they are welcome here. >> yes or no pathway to citizenship? >> yes.

>> another crisis. as we sit here tonight we all are aware that u.s. is preparing to deploy missile defense system along with about 100 troops to israel. this is what the biden administration says to help israel after iran's most recent attacks. but, do you support putting specifically american boots on the ground and this conflict? i'll ask that first. >> i would start by saying i am familiar with the technology that missile defense system, that isth something i am supportive of. i have supported judgment i believe in israel's right to defend itself. i lead the charge every single year in the appropriations process for iron dome and other efforts to be able to provide that defense. what we saw with the ron's a direct attack on israel using the ballistic missile these are unprecedented efforts you are seeing from such a dangerous adversaryge we have to make sure

there's security there. to be safe for our troops. i worked in these types of situations. i worked at the pentagon. i've seen the deployment of the bad missile systems and all the types of systems among the armed services committee were having strong oversight over this. >> you support putting american boots on the ground? quick to support these kinds of defense measures like that that missile defense. >> it sounds like a d.c. insider talking. [inaudible] >> you keep calling me a d.c. insider, a bureaucrat. i find it very offensive. there are people who have served our country. people have worked in or zones, risks of my life for thisli country. i do not appreciate the labeling. you are trying to serve in the senate. have some respect for public service. >> i doo pay.

>> no you don't you bought your website, 11 years ago. you've been thinking about this in terms of how it is about you and your career. but like right now this is a very scary moment in the world. and i hope i can try to bring the expertise and the experience i have, do not belittle it. >> i am not to let me respond to that if you don't mind. i have fought public service i took two years and around the casino reinvestment authority for democratic governor and our state. i served 12 years on stock sport. i worked on the reopening task force. i also built a business. that business started with 12, 24000 employees payroll by payroll is a public service i work for the people who work for me. together we make an economy that covers 800 families mortgage

payments, rent payments, car payments, tuition, and tuition for the government. i appreciate career public servants police, fire, emt, schoolteachers, we have all of ourf military. i get skeptical of bureaucracies that are bloated and inefficient where they lose touch with the real life by being on the front lines of the economy with knowing what it is to deal the one-size-fits-all regulation cooked up in washington d.c. office buildingc.. that they don't understand the unintended consequences. i have respect for the urge to serve. we all have to be citizens. i respect that service. any confusion there, i apologize for. i don't disrespect it. have to be in service to our country. >> this country this question

about american britain. >> of allies with enemies in the world. i believe we need to support our allies. we need to support israel. the right to not only defend itselfse but to win the war. i don't think we should micromanage the war. boots on the ground, i'm not sure if those people they're proposing to send their are the expert in that missile system. to give them to defend themselves against attack. all i know is that to me there would be greater clarity if we were releasing the sanctions on iran. appeasing iran on one hand. letting them finance hezbollah and hamas for the terrorist groups within attack israel. and we talk maybe we will callfi for a cease-fire or we won't. what signal is at tongais terrorists? i get nervous about creating a equivalency between a terrorist organization and the only

democracy. >> to clarify folks are needed requires quite a few military personnel in order to operate it. ballistic it wider viewo you support israel's right. the biden administration on sunday sent a letter to the israeli government stating needs to get in check with the humanitarian crisis and potential human rights. thirty days to do that are putting aid from the u.s. in jeopardy. should israel have the right to defend itself without conditions on weapons and aid? i'll ask you first. collection of alleys for a reason for their your friends ts and you trust them. i don't think a war is the type of thing you can micromanage. israel has a right to run its war it. >> event with this with a

regional powerhouse and not a proxy war like it was previously? >> israel has a right to defend and win. go to partners and allies you use weshould have a single stan. we have certain accountability. but we are partners we work with them to understand what is going to take for them to win. with the right type of defense equipment to do so we should have standards when it comes to access to humanitarian aid to make sure this goes the proper way. we do that for our own troops among the armed services committee pulled her own troops accountable in that way and yes i think we should hold everyone to that standard.ne >> you think the biden which is named after the vermont senator which applies those standards and those conditions.

the biden administration has not used it so far. in applying it to israel. should they? should the administration be enforcing that? >> we should enforce that standard all over the world. and yes, i do believe are partners those are the same laws with our own troops held two. we should hold everyone to that same singular standard. >> you have endorsed warm up president trump. would you think a trump the white house would be better equipped to handle this conflict? or what you think he would do differently? >> i am not going to try to speak for president trump on what he would do with his t foreign policy. i would say i do believe in a peace through strength. one of the greatest foreign policy moment in my adult life was when ronald reagan's said sir gorbachev turned on that wall and he did. there is moral clarity and that

there is not a shot fired. and so i do think we need to be supportive of our allies. i don't know what the present specific intentions are. but you see from polling that a lot of people really seem to trust him on foreign policy. >> what about you do trust him on foreign policy? >> i think it's a strong leader and he would talk to people straight. >> is there anything you think the biden administration should have doned differently to keep this war from escalating? >> i do think there should have been more directed dialogue and diplomacy done. this effort will meet look back on aton the effort of using intermediaries and or what not really slow down the process de- prioritize the return of hostages. so many members of the hostages their loved ones have been away for now over a year. that is horrific.

that should be a greater priority. as this war has unfolded we've seen that diminish. right now were not seen the kind of intensity we need to point diplomacy that something should have done differently. >> of an appropriation bill comes up from a system should be the first opportunity h as a u.. senator to have aav say on this type of aid. would you support restrictions on aid there? >> i would love to see what's being asked and what the pentagon is looking to move forward on. i supported aid to israel before and the last supplemental. i have certainly shown i want to make sure they have what it needs to win because you support restrictions on appropriations? >> we need to support our allies. we cannot micromanage a war. standards of warfare appropriate to hold each other accountable

to with our allies. >> what or who is the biggest foreign threat to the united states in your opinion? >> i think china is a pretty big issue. i do not think you're fundamentally our friend. i think there's not a level playing field. we are seeing espionage. we are in a new realm with technology that can be exploited in weapon iced. that is unknown to us all the impact to their. the trade has been imbalanced and does not really a level playing field. how big a focus on china is extremely important. >> was the biggest threat to the u.s. in your opinion? >> might recognize the deepth concern about china. there's a lot they're doing i'm worried about. i would be careful about using the word threat. i do not think that conflict is inevitable or imminent. and i hope we can agree here we do not want to find ourselves in

a power were in the way. certainly very complicated you look at russia and i wrong these are adversaries. these are opponents very much seeking to do us harm. but to get a pick one? >> it would be russia right now would be our biggest threat. >> bring it back home we've seen hurricanes destroyed parts of florida, north carolina and just recently, new jersey has its own problems with their weather-related catastrophes over the past decade. how can the federal government best manage the cost of flooding for instance? and what priorities should congress focus on is a building resiliency? fighting climate change by regulation. >> it does need to be a comprehensive approach. there flooding on sunny days.

huge problems not just about super storm sandy and other challenges. the work with the bipartisan infrastructure log trying to make our more resilient pass a law help introduced the highways act to make sure people have escapeke routes. we are not going to get this we do take action to address climate change. so the inflation reduction act are efforts or try to do it. we cannot do it alone way to mobilize across the entiree world. butho in the meantime we need to do more in fema response in resilience will save a lot of money when it comes to disasters. >> 20 move onto a different question. fema just this morning, you brought it up resume door to door outreach for areas that hit specifically by hurricane helene. fema had to pause because of

threats being made against employees. that stemmed from this information. money diverted to immigrants and migrants and folks at the border and set up to the victims of these hurricanes. that last debate despite fema debunking that in the biden administration debunking you repeated that claim with about seven or $50 being given only to those, why? >> i think mayorkas said himself there were limited funds in his own press conference. that is for the whole thing started. and it spun from there. >> do you feel responsible foro spent spreading information? >> it's widely reported because of viral in different ways. i will say this. i state governor christie andrk barack obama working together hand in glove on super storm sandy was an incredible example.

if ever we need to come together as a country it's in a disaster. of course, that's our core competency as government. so to have it be politicized and hurt those victims more than they are already suffering or put them in the middle of a political election cycle is wrong. i go to washington, i want to work in a bipartisan way to get things done. if ever there is a time to show our resiliency and unity it is in a disaster and should be exploited. >> get answers from both of you if you can. we'll start with you, can you remember a time when you changed your mind about an issue, or a policy where you're at once yes and are now a no or vice versa? what changed your mind? >> yes. for instance this came up while i was in congress about medicinal marijuana but also

some psychedelics. he was talking to veterans they were saying they wanted to be able to try to have access to some of these types of drugs for them to be able to recover from traumatic brain injury. from ptsd and things like that. i thought that was very powerful some are veterans going down to mexico to be able to get access to this. so that something that changed my mind. >> originally you are against? >> i was in favor of legalizing marijuana. but, when it came to some of the schedule one drugs that was something initially. >> that's really funny because i was going to say that marijuana thing myself. the reason being i employ a lot of people. i was very nervous at the time this was coming up in our state. with alcohol you can test usage

at the time with marijuana it's a 30 dayay test so you do not kw if they use it at home or not. that made me nervous to make sure we were able too.ay but at the end of the day is not been an issue i change my view on it and talking with peoplepl. >> imprinted onto and out will start with you. can you name a democrat anywhere here in new jersey, anywhere in the country you could support and vote for? >> well, i certainly contributed to joe manchin through the years. i thought he was an example of someone who is willing to work across the aisle. i appreciated that. >> i'm going to leave your answer there. for you i republican you could support them vote for in new jersey or anywhere in the country. >> look, i have been impressed

in the work i've been able to do with mitt romney, someone who is pushing forward on the child tax credit. those are the types that sensible leaders, moral leaders i think we can see in both parties. >> the right gentleman i think of us for coming in. that's going to wrap 2024 conversation with the u.s. senatee candidates. thank you for partnering with us, to curtis and andy kim for participating pre-thank you can you can watch the entire discussion again online. read david cruise in the entire team in nj spotlight news thank you foror being here, good nigh. >> tonight nj decides 2024 candidate conversation is presented in partnership with the rowan university. >> one of the tightest races for control of congress and modern political history, stay ahead with c-span comprehensive coverage of key state