we are still in that vein of being a state which only shows very much up for grabs. president biden barely winning the state four years ago in 2020 compared to former president trump. whenwh it comes to those things and the things you describe what are you watching for particularly this time around with the entrance of vice president kamala harris in the race. >> one of the things i look out is what share of the white vote does a democrat get? and in the past the democrat could get as much as 30% of the total white vote. that could work if they were getting strong support in the black community. now the polling has shown that kamala harris is usually hitting the 30% market. she isto struggling to get to te level she needs to get in terms of black support which needs to be in the upper '80s for joe biden for example got in at about 88% of the white vote

donald trump got only 11% excuse me, 88% the black vote. donald trump got only about 11% of the black vote. but had he gotten 12% he would have one georgia. it would not take much of an improvement by trump among black voters to carry the state in 2024. >> what is your sense of black support you talk about for the vice president, why do you think it's not at levels that we've seen previous? >> all indications are probably doing as well as she needs to do among black women. but she is struggling to get the same level of support among black men. now it's certainly thehe case among all ethnic groups women tend to be more democratic than men. what she really needs to do is to be able to n the black mail support up a little bit higher. >> he seen a lot of visits to her in recent days. more to come. as far as who she is spitting on the part of the state she is

visiting what does that tell you about the state of her campaign as far as to whereou she wants r truck both from? >> a little bit surprising that a few weeks ago when she and tim walz spent time in southeast georgia which is one maybe two counties in that area that would vote democratic she was reaching into areas which in the past been republican. the great bulk of those in georgia are going to come right out of metro atlanta a democrat will get half of all the votes that democrat will get in georgia was just five counties of the heart of metro atlanta. so in essence what a democrat needs to do is pump up and hope they can hold on. they're going to lose around 130 keep in mind george's got more than any state other than texas. hold onto some of the rural counties maybe as much as 90% for donald trump or. regards charlesboarding jennings

conversation we keep look at georgia is a battleground state 202-748-8001. if you support the trump/vance two 202-748-8000. if you support the hair/take it if you are undecided 202-748-8002. if you are georgia resident and want to give your perspective on this year's election in your state 2027488003. professor elaborate what you see happening in the states as that has been a trend in recent years or is this a course of many years? >> georgia added a million residents between 2010 and 2020. while the statewe has grown by a millionn people the number of whites in the state decreased slightly. we are becoming a much more diverse state. traditionally you look at georgia and the other states

black-and-white. now more than 10% of our population his hispanic more than 5% is asian. our voting electorate is not nearly that heavily hispanic or black. but we are getting an increased number of people who have very different kind of att background so we i typically think of for georgia or any other state in the south. >> if you take a look at those trends, what does it mean? with the candidates they have to be a bit more creative as far as the constituents they reach out to the state. >> exactly right. the campaign with raphael warnock was a full term in 2022, his campaign was putting out messages to a variety of languages other than english or spanish and some of the asian languages. i think we will see more of that for both democrats and republicans were running statewide they try to reach the

diverse communities. >> professor, we talked a little bit about this with our last guest when itgu comes to the process of voting itself, how would you describe your comfort level of what you are seeing as far as the accuracy of voting as early voting has started and with electioncc day? >> the large number of georgians have already voted that indicates many, many georgians are feeling quite comfortable. youbl will still find georgians that will say no, they do not believe the vote can be legitimately counted unless you show up on electionnt day. but this year unlike 2022 certainly 2020 both the republican party and donald trump himself is saying is safe to go and vote on early voting or even absentee. now, we have had through saturday 1.3 million my guess is we are well above 1.4 million. if we have the same turnout this year as we had in 2020 will read the largest turnout we've ever

had $5 million. we are beyond a quarter of the votes already cast. but early voting throughout this weekend, throughout next week. wiprobably have saturday voting again next week. and so the expectation is most georgians will have voted well before the first tuesday in november. >> are you surprised about the earlyy numbers that you are seeing when it comes to voting? >> not really surprised. i think we have expense here and other states asserted early buddy before we did is that with time people who go and try that's easy, i like it. put it on my schedule, it worked out well for me. the fact that more and more georgians are doing this early in person voting is not surprising. but we, like other states are seeing far few people voting absentee. absentee ballots will be five or 6% of the total. that experience we had in 2020

with lots of absentee ballots was covid driven. >> our first call is from robert in atlanta on her line for those georgia residents. robert, good morning or all of the guest. >> caller: thank you for professor. the prior segment had a color for my think south georgia who was repeating the lies about suitcases at state farm arena and therm nonsense of the 2000 meals movie which was withdrawn. i wonder if you could speak is a professor to the lies and misinformation propagated principally in my view by the republican side about the election. thank you very much. >> es, lots of controversy around georgia. lots of accusations of criminality misfeasance or malfeasance. i think those have all been fully explored and there is no

evidence to it. for example, but we had 5 million ballots counted not only was there machine count which was duplicated but we went through in handou counted all 5 million of them they did not show any difference. the notion about the being suitcases full of ballots suddenly appearing from nowhere, turns out that's the way that transported from location to location. you have to get themti moved and it's kind of like a suitcase. there's never been any evidence to supportce the claims. another claim had to do absentee voting and lots of dead people or imaginary people that voted. they did a hand count of those in one county, cobb county they found maybe 15000 there might've been to there were somewhat questionable. we have never had an election given the scrutiny the 2020

presidential election had. i think the reason so much attention was focused on that was that donald trump carried georgia in 2016 by 200,000 ballots. in 2010 that was the margin by which republicans were winning. i think trump himself and maybe his advisors was not aware of how the state was changing and therefore when hean loses by 119 votes ratchets it back in his mind to 2016 and said how could this be? we have seen also democrats with some other narrow contest particularly three senate victories won by less than 100,000 votes by democrats. that does confirm estate electorate is changing in some ways. although it seems to be very static during much of the 20 tens. >> professor was on the georgia board of election passed a rule

was solid judgment that on pause. what would have been the end result should and counting take place? the number of ballots. they're not counting how the ballots were cast for trump or harris or whatever. the effect of this would've been to potentially slow things down. in a small rural precinct people show up pretty quickly but if indeed we have a large turnout on election day that could take a long time. one of your colors in the area did talk about how he did not expect there would be that when people showing up. i think that's probably right. but if it did anything it was simply slow things down georgia it was fairly late getting some of its abodes and in 2020. in terms of ap calling the state ultimately provided and that took place as i recall on saturday on the tuesday boat maybe it would have contributed

to those kinds of delays. >> is charles jordan's university of georgia. let's hear from jeannie in kentucky a supporter former president trump. i'm sorry jeanine, go ahead. >> i'm sorry, thank you. i am going to be on the ballot for election and counsel. i am giving myself the name of a constitutional conservative. i am quite concerned that our constitution is being violated by the harris walls, and biden way of taking control of our city intercounty interstate. my concern is with the secretary of state michael adams we have made some great changes to our locations in our precinct. our precinct has been narrowed down to where we will have many more people to votee out have

done with the local precincts which lock the people in from closest to where they live. i guess my bottom line is what are your thoughts of the violation of the constitution and the voting rights and the changing of how our elections and our ballots are basically counted? i would like to see hand counted ballots to make sure everyone has discounted this count and not into the computer. see what that's jeanine elaborate a little on that professor but if you want to go for the go-ahead. >> guest: yes. first. [inaudible] the color it was a limited sump precincts and consulting those my expectation is probably a decision being made by the

election board. would not have been something doned by the harris/biden administration but cannot imagine a federal government getting involved in that. in regard to the notion to have him counting the ballots, obviously that would take a long, long time and delay the outcome. perhaps the best situation where there is an electronic counter would be to rely upon that be a firster look and if there are concerns we can hand count the ballots after that as a check and again if there's not post- coordination between the results of those two then dig deeper into it. if you want to get results up fairly quickly will probably have to rely on machine cnt >> professor there's a viewer off of x asking about the electoral votes up for grabs. sing the state of georgia ever had a push to split the

electoral college votes like that stud in maine and nebraska? >> i don't think so. loses some of its clouds like to see particularly if your party is losing anit estate you can point to it and say we have got x number of congressional districts the party wins well it is a minority of the congressional district we like to see it split that way. there is not been any movement be almost two states. to move in that direction. indeed there was some talk about this and some other states. and i think the reason they pulled back was the majority party looked at it and said no we want to be able to deliver all the electors on mass which is what they're hoping to do.

>> host: andra in north carolina supported vice president harris good morning, you are next. >> caller: hey, thanks so much for taking my call. my question is what do you think? what's your opinion? everybody heard donald trump threatening people, come on guys give me a break. we need votes, to more than we need. everybody heard that. everyone knows what he did. so my question is, they know there was no fraud. they know that. so i wonder what is the reason why people are still supporting him in that state? what happened was extremely public. and my other question is, do you think he could have tried to do what he did if we did not have

the electoral college? thank you so much for taking my call. >> yes. it turns out our surveys show large numbers the majority still do believe there were problems trumps terms. many times.so donald trump says of the going to believe it would never had regular as we had in 2020 is simplys never evidence to suppot his claims you make the claim long enough then a lot of people will accept it as being the truth. >> could professor you talked

about the dynamics changing the states for georgia. dynamics in other states. yes, that is a state like george is being seen as a toss up state. and north carolina, has a history of split ticket voting for there's a council government that's made up of the statewide elected officials. likeke georgia there are a large number of them are unlike georgia owner constitutional officers i'm talking like governor, secretary of state, attorney general, all of those republicans in north carolina consistently that body has a split but right now therefore including the governor and attorney general. my hunch is probably the same kind of outcome i will be this year north carolina unlike any other state so north carolina

well accustomed to splitting their ballot. they're not used to doing that. makes north carolina and georgia similar also it's a very much of a growth estate. they are also experiencing moving there at my hunch is like george of the people are moving in less the other southern state would be virginia. which was very blue and that 20 tournament state lied with republicans swept the still red there is no prospect in athens, georgia former president trump this is jimmy hello.

i graduate back in 1994. i don't think at one of your classes then. the changes at the accounting procedures i know there's still a lot of court proceedings going on o in the way they are countig the ballots in georgia. how is that change? what's theha status of that? thankk you. >> one of the changes we will be able to start counting early voting and the absentee ballots a bit earlier than we have in the past. that may help us get results out. they also go against the tradition of georgia which is a very small rural county of the e concert ballot in first. begin counting until 7:00 p.m. when the polls closed. then the other boat summit concerns about what's happening georgia. my recollection is 11:00 p.m. on

election night and 2020 is lead group sharon 100,000 votes and then as the early vote comes in that was part of what set him off and sink their manufacturing votes out there or something because at one point it looked like yes, he was winning george about the same kind of margin the republicans have succeeded with during much of that decade. we make it results in earlier we may get a better balance urban results coming in from small rural counties. >> if you are from chattanooga tennessee anthony on her undecided line. >> thanks professor. i took political science at ut. when you look at political science the number of states run

it really doesn't add up. they went 2500 counties and another one wins 500. now i want to draw your attention back to the court hearing on 324, 24 or the election commission got up from judge mcafee and told him that none of the mail in ballots even full tour county had paid a millionid dollars. one moree point. we saw in the cctv. we make our own decisions about what we saw every individual.

was interviewed on election day. he said there 73000 yes, yes. look at counties the maps of the united states at the county level. you see more red than blue. democratic votes on the urban areas here in georgia 159 counties. democrats wins they have here. it's only 129 or 30 of the counties.

to win in georgia that would be true in most states the democrats have a shot at winning. they run up the vote total in the urban areas and see if that can in that geographic both of the state. as far as the job faces a secretary of state what you think about the ability to manage election day? >> secretary of state in his staffer, thank you for running this. clearly when he was doing in 2020 himself was elected in 2018. it's his first big a challenge a statewide election in he got

beaten about the head repeatedly. they've learned a lot from that. and again the elections themselves in 2020 despite all the accusations there is never anything improvement to indicate there is major problems has himself remembered that points and lists off the allegations that people were voting noncitizens and double counting in this and that we find a transcript of the phone call and effectively refutes each one of those accusation point by point george's selections are set up this is running very smoothly. you may again have a problem in the precinct.

go back a couple generations ago that's ancient history. >> will morebu call whiteman houston support of vice president harris hello. >> low american c-span. i want to remind everybody still waiting on that red wave to sweep through. to receive 20% of a black person vote the black man vote. right on the railway. you're not going to see it is not going to happen. >> professor thought in mind you probably seen their polling as closely it may be the more closely than the rest of us. what you think about those trends likewh the caller talked

about? >> again that is what the harris campaign is trying to do. there been some polls which have indicated a beat the black mail vote might be getting into the low 20s. the most recent thing i've seen this to polls that show this. harris is now getting above 85% may be as high as 87% of the black vote. if that is the case, 20% of the black males are not saying they will vote for donald trump. >> from here until election day, what kind of trends, interesting things are you watching for? >> does that look like paris is inclined to share the white votes she needs. the thing to keep in mind until after the fact is there enthusiasmus will turn out in largeut numbers?

that's as important as getting into the upper '80s in terms of the percentage of that boat is not going to come through? we also know within georgia, think is true in most states the white vote that goes forat a democrat largely by whites have gone to college. in this state if you are a white voter who is gone to college talk is likely to go if you are a white voter who did not go to college. what did those numbers look like in terms of the distribution of college educated and non- educated voters? >> professor, you talk year-by-year their students about electoral politics perfectly this time of that when he sang to them and what are they telling you? >> i get a skewed sample i teach almost exclusively political scienceud students. they're very interested for most of my students this'll be the first presidential election for some will be the first time they've everr voted.