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of power. no sin, so cordial, just in the. the results and you beginning 7:00 p.m. eastern. the selection i up-to-the-minute results national campaign on c-span.org. we are joined by charlie, senior advisor to are republican legacy republican from pennsylvania. what is the mission and how are you funded? >> we are a 50134, not even advocating for the election. we are a group of republicans. they are an abomination. the mega movement wanted to divide further.bjmpen it rejects autocrats like vladimir putin, kim jong un, we are in ace very different placen

the national engagement. we understand the need relations but at the same time absurd across the board. where republicans should be and we have to have that conversation. >> we will talk about discipline, when was the realization? >> are former senators and bill : is missouri and lane, original encounters and that it was time create a strong voice. the republican party is not divided but it is divided.

many do not like the direction. >> what is the ultimate goal? are you going to run another candidate in the next cycle? >> we are trying to create support cannot just at this but beyond this election. how we get this party into a better place. 170. we need to get to a better place to carry the conversation going forward. we will still be respected and this republican party.

it is revision and. >> the republican party, what caused it to go in, the quote maga direction? >> a lot of finger and that happened during elements within our nation. i landed some people in this country, this is nothing but what happened the first republican president who embrace those. i think that's just part of the reason why the party has and donald trump has taken these positions and we need an alternative voice something different than what they are hearing today. >> you financed you voted early

in pennsylvania and vice president harris. the elaborate a little on that. you believe more firmly in her policies? >> i did not go for donald trump and 16. it was more a vote against and voted biden because i wanted to return to normalcy and i said at the time i didn't expect to agree with joe biden on his policies but ato least would bring back some sense of stability to the white house. in the case of kamala harris, she's trying to give it to the center and i hope she does recycling vote. certainly policy differences and is think this ahead of her own. >> speech tomorrow and we'll be covering that here on c-span but what would you like to address?

what will get republicans like yourself not comfortable with trump? mimic what she needs to say is it toward the center that is sincere and a lot of republicans say cisco positions many of us have disagreed with. pennsylvaniash, she's changed hr position and other issues for she's baby gone toogo far to the left has to continue to demonstrate she will cover from the center and resist the urges of elements. i know that is very difficult but i think she needs to do that. her face is motivated not having gone through a primary which is

what many americans want right now. a lot of republicans are nervous by those extreme elements. >> he wrote an opinionio piece with the headline donald trump's bringing us back to the 1930s. >> remember the 1930s a law was passed that enclosed broadcast supposed across the board. ... dropped, crashed from $3 trillion to $1 trillion every economist of

every stripe will tell you that smoot-hawley exacerbated the great depression. it made it much worse. i would argue something similar could happen now, that if we had across-the-board tariffs as donald trump was talking about, he's using across-the-board. the prices everything goes up. one, it is inflationary. it is going to harm american manufacturers and american growers. go to hershey. i represented that community. 70 million hershey kisses a day, that's a lot of chocolate. how do you make chocolate? you have to get that cocoa. last i checked, we don't grow it in the united states, we have to import it from west africa. that is just one example. people like coffee.

we have to import that. your couple coffee just went up in price. you like a banana, same thing. a lot of those big machines are made by a dutch company. to make these chips cost a few hundred million dollars a pop. a lot of what we import is used for making things. ultimately, consumers will pay more. we are going to lose jobs over this, and this going to have a devastating effect on manufacturers. when trump talks about punishing john deere and slapping they tariffs on mexico, they are going to retaliate against american corn and other agricultural products. and that is what we saw with the

chinese. when trump did all the chinese tariffs back in the first initiation, we ended up paying more out in subsidies to farmers then we collected. i get it, there are times you should use tariffs and countervailing duties. if they are a slave laboring place, if they are dumping illegal subsidies, i get it. but across-the-board, devastating. we ran trade surpluses, we had unemployment rates over 20%. host: if you'd like to join the conversation with our guest charlie dent, you can do so. republicans are on (202) 748-8001. democrats are (202) 748-8000. independents, (202) 748-8002. a lot has been made of people who have worked in the trump administration not endorsing

him. john kelly, his former chief of staff saying that he praised hitler and is a textbook fascist. the flipside of that is people saying well, he was fired and he's got an axe to grind. jd vance has said it is because they couldn't control him and they share the same worldview. what is your response to that? guest: first, john kelly is an extraordinary american. four-star marine general. for him to come out and say the things he said wasn't easy. because these are military guys, they try to avoid getting in the political fray. i think john kelly was doing his duty as a chief of staff and homeland secretary doing his best, and he witnessed up close in person with many of us have seen in our interactions with a foreign president, that he is unfit and he is at times unstable.

we've all seen the narcissism, the add, the impulse control issues, the temper. and lack of interest in policy. these are the kinds of things that john kelly has talked about. he saw it probably more than anybody else. we should believe him. not just him, believe rex tillerson. john bolton, mcmaster, all these people worked around him had for quite public. and it's obvious why they are concerned. he's embraced vladimir putin. he's embraced kim jong-il, kim jong-un. host: but explain the word embraced. guest: he seems to be much more comfortable talking to these autocrats that he is with allies. in other words, he didn't distinguish between friend and foe.

he was more critical of angela merkel and justin trudeau and he was of vladimir putin and kim jong-un. we have allies and friends and shared interests and values. you'd think we would embrace them more than people who try to undermine american foreign-policy interest all around the globe. that is what i thought was so stunning. i thought that is probably but those individuals them stunning. host: let's talk to callers and start with bob, atlanta. caller: thank you for your program. sarah, i served in the military and i'm 78 years old and i just got one question for you. you a communist? guest: absolutely not. are you, sir? caller: kamala harris is so far to the left you can even see her. host: we will get a response. guest: i get it, i have policy

disagreements with kamala harris just as you do, sir. but sometimes elections are not about right or left, enters a policy. maybe it is sometimes about right or wrong. one candidate here has demonstrated his unfitness. repeatedly. the other, whatever you think of her policy positions, she strikes me as normal and honorable and i hate to say that that is where we are right now, but i'm going to choose honorable over dishonorable. host: austin, texas, democrat. caller: good morning. i just like to ask, i'm a convicted felon. i can't vote, but donald trump can and he is also a convicted felon. guest: that's a good question, actually. that's a great question. he's been convicted, but he has not yet been sentenced.

i don't know when that sentence takes effect. he is a resident of the state of florida and i think there's rules on felons voting that are really determined at the state level as election law is governed at the state level. i'm not sure what florida's law is on that, i think it might be a bit more permissive than texas. it's a matter of a function of state law. host: derek in minnesota, independent line, good morning. caller: good morning america and c-span. i have a couple points here. i want to walked on memory lane. we had a governor named tim walz who is the vice presidential candidate, he said that he was going to make one minnesota and bring everybody together just like joe biden said. save the soul of the nation. let's see what happen. minneapolis burned. we surrendered the police station.

they took total control of the legislature, and we now have a brand-new flag that nobody likes. joe biden, who you said you voted for for those reasons, he has bragged he is the most progressive presidential president ever. that didn't really work out. now you are doubling down and saying that harris is the one that is going to come to the center? let me give you some news on that, buddy. they said they made -- want to make washington, d.c. a state with two more senators. they want to make puerto rico a state with two more senators. they want it jampacked to add supreme court justices pass the court. they want to end the filibuster. is that going to the center? you are a useful idiot. guest: good morning to you, too. let me just take a few of these issues.

i'm for divided government for a good reason, for the check on both parties, frankly. that would be the best thing that we could have happened in this country. a number of policy positions, i agree with you on some, others i disagree with. but the point i've made is that this country, that my party, the republican party, the republican party needs to move away from this type of maga movement. it is alienating much of the country and a lot of republican voters. that is why we need to get something that is grounded in principles, things that abraham lincoln and many of the others to lead this party over the years aligned with. we should be looking forward. and i don't agree with the democrats on a lot of these policies, some of which you mentioned. but at the same time, we've got to get to a better place is a party and i don't think trump is the right guy. host: we don't take personal attacks on our desks, we don't allow those.

james and buffalo, kentucky, good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call, i really enjoy your show. after this fella here, he has no clue what he is talking about when it comes to the economy. he is a rino and a disgrace. host: stick with the policies, what policies are you talking about? caller: i grew up in san francisco, and harris when she was there, she made a mess out of things. her and nancy pelosi. her district was falling apart and the whole time she is more worried about going to a luncheon and getting her hair done. this guy here has no clue what he's talking about. it's amazing. he got himself in office, created a suit and kai -- suit and tie. host: a lot of vitriol from republican callers. guest: just a couple things.

what i find right now is if a person doesn't agree with you on a particular policy, he didn't argue with me about the tariffs, just calls you a rino. ok, great, we are all rinos now. if you don't agree with all trump, you are a rino. some of these folks out there simply don't have the capacity to make an argument so they just embrace whatever trump says, whatever it is. if he changes his opinion tomorrow, they will change theirs as well. but i know them, their friends. they are uncomfortable, many of them, but they want to hear something different. they want something better for the party. host: republicans in this cycle have been vocal critics of the former president, and then ended up endorsing him anyway. new hampshire governor chris

sununu, ohio governor mike dewine. they have endorsed former president trump. guest: they are doing their duties as functionaries of the party, they are both sitting governors. i get that they feel that they have to do that. i suspect they want a different direction for the party. governor dewine has been very powerful in his condemnations of what trump and others have been saying about people eating cats and dogs in springfield, ohio which is not true. and governor sununu was a strong supporter of nikki haley. he wants a different direction for the party. but i think some of them are trying to protect their options going forward if they want to run for something. but, trump world if you are not 100% there, they are never going to be with you. i would say don't try to split the difference, take a strong stand. it's pretty hard to walk back from what some folks have said. host: if nikki haley with the

republican candidate would you be voting for? guest: absolutely. voted for her in the primary. and frankly, she'd be winning this election right now. host: joyce, democrat. caller: good morning. question for mr. dent. how long do you think it would take to rebuild the republican party moving forward? i mean, if trump gets back in, how much damage do you think you will do to the rinos? guest: rebuilding a party is never easy. we've gone through a bit of a political realignment, as you can see. but rebuilding a party is going to take work, it's going to take time and effort to again get back to something, guiding principles and values. we have to have those conversations once again.

part of the challenge, some of the think tanks out there, and i will pick on one of them, heritage is always known as one of the strong conservative think tanks and now many of them have kind of gone all in, they've changed their values, they've adjusted their values to suit donald trump. and i think we have to get back to more principled conversations. that's the only thing i can think of that will help us, but that's going to take time, it's going to take it of a movement and truthfully, how much losing can my party take? i will say one thing about donald trump, he has made losing great again. and i mean since 2016. the republican party lost the house in 2018, the senate in 2020 as well as the presidency. in 2022 significantly underperformed and donald trump has been leading this party and now he is the nominee. if we had any other nominee,

anybody, like nikki haley for example, republicans would be walking away with the selection. parties exist for a reason, to win. why do they want to win? so they can govern. if the party continues to lose, maybe that will force the types of changes i'm talking about. host: kent, ohio, democrat. good morning. caller: good morning charlie. when i listen to mr. dent, i can't help but think about all the things in the past that both republicans and the democrats have done. nafta, they hollowed out on middle class and hollowed out our nations smaller towns. millions and millions of people streaming across the border at taxpayers expense. impacting our great cities and small towns. troops in over 168 countries, military people all over the world. millions in offshore wars while our people were scraping under

and over taxes. my plan would be, i know you don't like this time that i can tell you right now there's a group of us in america that have simply had enough of our towns and our people being fleeced. i think you represent that party. i don't have any animosity towards you. host:host: let's get a response. guest: i don't think there really is a unit party, with all due respect to the caller. there really isn't. i'm concerned about the border, too. i was one of the original cosponsors of the secure fence act that actually authorized the 700 miles of pedestrian and vehicular barriers all along the southern border.

i believe in border security and i certainly think the biden administration was very slow in getting to that issue. but the bottom line is our communities have struggled for a variety of reasons, and we can have this great debate about what should the role of the united states be in this world? we could walk off the stage of the caller suggests, but we willcede -- we will cede it all to china and then they will set the rules. if you want the chinese to lead this global order along with their friends, the russians and the iranian, ok. you think we are going to have a better world? you think it might be better if the united states and our friends and allies in europe and asia and japan, australia, south korea and elsewhere, i think that order is much better for americans than the one that i think you are leading us toward. host: rick in colorado,

republican. caller: you act like the maga party is a few people. you seen trump rallies, how many people show up to his rallies? i'd say the republican party has left you and most of the people are republicans now are the maga party. it's the future. you either want our country to be taken over by other people, or you don't. you say that china is going to take us over if trump gets elected, but i think you are very wrong on that. guest: i was responding to a question. that gentleman seemed to suggest our engagement throughout the world is what is causing it. you can bring them home but then you create a vacuum. who is going to fill a vacuum? are we naïve enough to think it will not be the chinese, the

russians, or some other country hostile to our interests? do we think this will be a better world? whatever the fault of the international order established after the second world war, there has not been a big power conflict. we did not go to war with the soviet union. we somehow kept the peace. there have been wars but there is not great power conflict. my parents'generation were part of world war ii. i do not know that we want to the back to great power conflict like that again. if your view is that if we just put up the walls, that was the america first agenda in the 1930's, stay out of it, he declared war on us, not the other way around.

think about it carefully. do we let these autocrats in countries hostile to us determine the international order? do we think we will be as prosperous as we were? i have news for you. it is not going to happen. host: there is an article from reuters in august, it says he has purged his republican party of lawmakers and officials deemed as disloyal. you are a republican. do you feel the threat of intimidation, revenge, anything like that? guest: not really, although he certainly talks about it. he talked about going after his enemies. i personally do not feel it. but i think disloyalty, what does that mean?

disloyal to what, to whom, to him? disloyal to him? i think it is a sad state of affairs in this country when we cannot even have debates about policy anymore. it is hard to have debates about policies. it is about whether or not you are loyal to him. if you disagree with me, i will use the justice department to go after you? this is america. we do not do that here. host: keith in nevada, independent. caller: good morning. actually, congressman, the constitution says either foreign or domestic, there are enemies within. that is what donald trump is talking about, the domestic enemies of america. they hate the constitution. they are un-american in that regard. that is what he is talking about. guest: who are we talking about? who are the enemies?

caller: all the neocons. maybe you are part of it. newt gingrich said live on television many years ago, he said the reason the left and the people of the deep state hate trump is because he has never been initiated into the dark arts. that is why god's hand is protecting him. guest: what dark arts? caller: i'm talking about the secret societies that control much of the world we are dealing with now, think tanks, the rockefeller institution, the billionaires that rule the world with the rothschilds and stuff. on your dollar bill, there is the pyramid, the all seeing eye. is all masonic. it is literally satanic. guest: thank you. that is all wild conspiracy theory stuff. he talks about billionaires.

donald trump has billionaire support. he is a billionaire himself. this guy is talking about billionaires in the conspiracy. which ones? [laughter] host: connie in new hampshire, democrat, good morning. caller: good morning. i was looking at the differences. biden has a 3.4% unemployment rate at the end of his term. trump had 6.4% unemployment rate. i was like, i do not understand why people do not know that when they are saying everything was better under trump. almost one million people died from covid. he put his son-in-law in charge of -- he put his son-in-law in

charge of covid response and nothing happened for months and months. was watching the interview from fox -- i was watching the interview from fox. when they did not show trump saying that about the enemies within, i thought, well, no wonder they do not know because not only is there misinformation delivered, there is also an omission of information. i do not know how to overcome the differences. anyhow, you know, everybody cares about employment, that is how we built our nation. host: all right, connie. guest: there's a lot of economic discomfort in this country, mostly because prices have gone up significantly and dramatically a couple of years ago, especially on food.

food prices went up at a record rate. housing prices are also very high, with interest rates high, not enough supply of housing, there are a lot of people feeling the pain. even though you are right, unemployment levels are low and other economic indicators are strong, but people feel their money is not getting them as far as it did. that is why there is the economic angst. that is a real issue. the question is, what are you going to do about it? let's have a policy conversation. each candidate has put forward policies that could be construed as inflationary but done more than trump's own tariffs. that would add to inflationary pressure significantly. i wish i had an easy answer for you on the economy, but there is real economic angst in the country and that is driving a lot of the motivations of many voters who might be uncomfortable with both candidates frankly. host: on friday, we had the

american history professor talking about the rural/urban divide in pennsylvania and the rust belt states and how it is impacting the republican party. [video clip] >> we have a real urban divide. we have an urban america dominated by the knowledge worker elite. the economy is working really well for us. what many people in my demographic, when we hear the different left or right populists, we think, what is the problem, our lives are good. out in rural america where the economy is not working for the same number of people, they are more open to populists of the left and right. bernie sanders did better than hillary clinton in rust belt areas. he won michigan in the 2012 primaries for instance.

pennsylvania points to the near-term future of an american politics defined by a rural/urban divide between the college and noncollege. i would argue noncollege americans, and i can fully understand this, they are saying they want the american dream to work for them as well. this is not every trump voter. there are lots of social conservatives. their economic consent, that is different -- their economic concerns, that is different. they have a different reason for voting for trump. small towns and small cities are not enjoying the fruits of prosperity the same way pittsburgh and philadelphia are. we see this across the nation. to get out of the hyper-partisan spiral, i think we need to have a more shared prosperity.

your kids should not have to move to a big city in order to get ahead. we need small cities and small town america to enjoy the fruits of prosperity the same way big cities do. knowledge worker elites have to look in the mirror and say maybe the economy works well for me but it also should work well for people without a four-year college degree. host: what do you think, charlie dent? guest: i think the speaker was correct. the dividing line in american politics right now is maybe less about race and gender and more about educational attainment levels. those with college degrees and those without. he is right. there are a lot of people who feel left out in this economy. they want something better. that is why i think we need to do more to with noncollege degrees have access to more jobs. we basically tell people you

cannot apply for a job until you have a college degree. many jobs you do not need a college degree. we need to continue to invest in smaller middle markets. i do not like seeing kids leave their homes. i graduated college in 1982. the unemployment rate in pennsylvania was over 12% in my area. the steel industry was collapsing at that moment. we have seen it before. this has been going on for a while. the point is, we have got to stick around, we have got to invest. with the chips act, a significant amount of investment is not going into the knowledge areas and big cities, it is being spread around the country which i think is encouraging. host: suzanne is in pennsylvania, republican. are you there? caller: i am here. i just want to say that mr. dent used to be my congressman when he was in congress.

even at that time, charlie, i guess the difference for me between republican and conservative, you have never been a conservative to represent my views as a conservative republican. i will be honest with you. i never voted for you because of that, because you were not a conservative republican. my question is, even if you do not like trump, and i understand that, his personality, i get it, however, why would you vote for the opposition who is so anti-republican and in my book anti-conservative? just do not vote for president. that is what i did when you are up for election. i did not vote for the democrat against you because i did not share their values either. however, i just do not understand why he would vote for the opposition. host: give us an example of what

you mean by him not being a conservative. caller: his stance on abortion. i am extremely pro-life and he is not. that happens to be the one issue i vote. i am a one-issue voter. i am one of these white suburban masters educated women who is staunchly pro-life, and that is very important to me. host: we got it. guest: i appreciate her call. her definition clearly of a conservative is somebody who is right to life. i supported a woman's right to an abortion. i did. i was one of the few. that position is not looking so radical. i never won an election in my district by less than 10 points. somehow, i survived. i was a more center-right type

member of congress. that is how i presented myself. obviously, some people on the far right did not like that. the far left thought i was a right wingnut. the far-right thought i was a total rino and left-winger. most of my constituents thought i was center-center right. and i somehow prevailed. she brought up the abortion issue. i think this is the challenge for the republican party. it is a liability. the party no longer knows how to speak about the issue. we have been told it is a communications problem. i would argue it is not a communications or messaging problem great it is a policy problem. we have to figure out the policy. what some of the states have done, texas and others where they have gone to these bans with no exceptions but for the

life of the mother, that enjoys support of maybe 5% of the american people. if donald trump loses this election, that will probably be a significant part of the reason why. host: liam, a democrat, hi, liam. caller: good morning. i called watching this segment because it was getting a lot of incoming, i wanted to lift you up and let you know i have observed you from time to time when you come on television and you are right in my wheelhouse. we do not govern from the far edges of the left or right. we have to come together in the center. i love the way you have gone

through the pragmatic process of trying to solve problems. what the problem is, what is our solutions, and try to bring everybody to the table because we all cannot get what we all want, but we can get something for everybody for the bigger good of our country. that is how i see you. guest: you are very kind. thank you for those nice remarks. i think you are right. we need to get back to pragmatic governance. people want us to solve problems. they do not want us to ignore them. i witnessed this during my time in congress. it seemed like so much of the time my last few years we spent just trying to get the basics done. can we fund the government for three months at the current level? can we make sure the government does -- country doe can we make sure the country doesn't default on its obligations with the debt ceiling? we spent months and months and months dealing with these issues

of fundamental governance. it prevented us from doing things that people want us to address. when you haveng a lot of peoplen congress who are good at telling you all the things they can never do, can't get to yes, well then we have a problem. at some point people have to get to yes, at least enough of them to advance the interest of the nation, whatever they may be. >> charlie dent, former republican u.s. representative from pennsylvania and senior advisor for the group our republican legacy. you can find out more about them. thanks much for joining us. >> great to be with you. >> welcome to today's "washington journal." that struck the front page of your times. titus contest in decades grows tighter at finish. votes early. worried about the state of the nation's democracy is voting with determination with roughly 75 million people having cast ballots in the early voting

period. in north carolina, nearly 4.5 million voters had an early in-person record in the state amid devastation from hurricane helene. georgia voters also set a record with four million voters casting in early ballot in. pennsylvania, 1.7 million people voted by mail and increasingly caustic litigation over whose mail ballot to count. nine states have seen more than 50% of eligible voters already vote. and it also says here shift and swing states -- it's important to note that all of these

results from within the margin of sampling error meaning neither candidate have a definitive lead in any of them. let's take a look at vice president harris in michigan, talking about the war in gaza. here she is. vp harris: and we have seen proud roots here in michigan -- [applause] and i want to say this year's been difficult, given the scale of death and destruction in gaza and given the civilian casualties and displacement in lebanon. it is devastating. and as president, i will do everything in my power to end the war in gaza. [applause] to bring home the hostages and the suffering in gaza, ensure

israel is secure and ensure the palestinian people can realize their right to dignity, freedom, security and self-determination. [applause] and we continue to work on a diplomatic resolution across the israel-lebanon border to protect civilians and provide lasting stability. [applause] and as president, i will work tirelessly toward our future with security and dignity for all people. host: that was yesterday. and also former president trump was in macon, georgia, talking about immigration. mr. trump: kamala wants to defund us.

think of that. she said they're not nice people. they better not be nice people. they're nice people, they're going to have a lot of problems with living but they're as tough as hell but they love our country, equally as much as they love our country so much they just want to be able do their jobs. so ice, and bolder patrol and sheriff and law enforcement officers and yes, firemen and sanitation men and everything -- you are on the a-list, all of you. i will run it tougher. that's when they were not so tough in 1978. to dismantle every migrant network prating on american soil and if they come back into our country t an automatic 10 years in jail with no possibility of

parole. and i am here calling for the death penalty for any migrant that kills an american citizen or a law enforcement officer. [applause] and i will immediately ban all sanctuary cities in the united states of america immediately. host: and he did mention the alien enemies act of 1998. -- 1798. the purpose of the aliens enemies act allows the president to detain, relocate or deport non-citizens from a country considered an enemy of the u.s. during wartime. congress is in support of john adams passed the aliens enemies act as part of the sedition act

of 1798 as the u.s. stood on the brink of war with france. it says that the controversial group to have laws kur tails the civil liberties by tightening restrictions go blue wall to all. host: here is mary in florida. trump supporter. hi, mary. caller: as you know, you are going to show the items that you do with the borders but that's what i'm calling about. i voted for donald trump and i will do it again. i did it again. host: mary, did we lose you? caller: yes, i am. can you hear me? host: yes, you dropped out you said you already voted for donald trump? caller: i did not know that you were going to show the items that you did pertaining to the

border. that's the reason i'm calling. with the biden-harris administration, all their money went to the ukraine border, but all the illegal aliens came into our border, over 20 million of them. because of the fact that they want them to vote for the democrats and there's a problem already with the voting. so many states have illegal aliens on their elections and it's a sad state. we've not had this problem before donald trump came into power. in 2016, in 2020, and now. this did not start with border

until 2020 when joe biden became president. everything was secure. the economy, everything was secure under donald trump. when joe biden came in, he quickly changed everything, changed everything into law, opposite of what donald trump did. and it's a sad -- it's a very sad country that we're living in now. host: let's talk to mike in hubbling on, indiana, supporting neither. caller: that's right. hi. picket support trump and i can't support kamala because they're both liars. the main thing is the reason i can't understand why

pennsylvania, michigan and stuff is close. because everybody knows that the government can do what they want and if kamala or whatever her name is, wants to say she supports fracking, let me tell you. she can make it miserable. and same way in michigan on this. -- on this deal with the automotives. she wants to make all america like california and california, we don't want it. we don't want them high prices. host: all right, mike. and this is ray in tucson, arizona, supporting harris.

caller: good morning. good morning, america. so nice to be with you. i just have a couple of things to say. first thing i want to say is to our republican people out there, you are who you support. you embrace everything about the person you support. and that usually makes people uncomfortable when i hear that. just one little statement. he lacks any shred of human decency, humility or caring he is morally bankrupt, breathtakingingly disconn smythe, and stunningly ignorant of anything related to governing history, geography, human events or world affairs. he is a trader and a ma ligety in our nation and represents a clear and present danger tour democracy and the rule of law. and boy, i'm so excited to get through right before this election. it's the most important election of my life and all of lives. and just to finish up, you are

who you support. host: so ray, do you think that that's really fair? i mean, do you -- i mean, you're supporting harris. would you say that you are fully in line with everything that she stands for? everything? caller: everything except the border policy for the past administration. i think that's going to change. yeah, i do think that's fair. because we certainly have had enough chances to figure out who we're talking about and who we want to support and i believe you really -- you are who you support. host: wait. let me push back on that for a minute here. because we do have callers that will say i support former president trump's policies. i support for instance what he did at the border or his economic policies, his foreign policies, let's say, but i don't like his personality. caller: i agree, but i think

there should be no distinctions. i think you either all in 100% or you're not. i agree with your point. but i'll tell you what. i'm so tired of this tenure of chaos. i just want to put that out the. host: all right. and we got it. and here's paul in plantation, florida. good morning. caller: good morning. i think your last caller just described himself. what i would like to say is i like to congratulate the alliance between the administrative state, the mainstream media.

kamala can't answer a question. and today, she exposed herself. they asked her about proposition 36 and she wouldn't say how she voted but we know how she vote on tough on crime in california because she's the one that helped the shoplifting. nobody gets prosecuted with shoplifting under $1,000. this country is going to be a mess. if she gets electedded and the democrats are in control in any way. there was a democratic congresswoman told me -- she said what the democrats would do

if they got everything, president and congress. they would abolish the rule of needing 60 senators to vote on a bill. the opposition party to negotiate with the other party. the only way these people are going to negotiate with each other is if they're forced to. so i'm afraid that the democratic party and kamala harris had annoying do with the power of this nation. it's frightening. host: all right, paul. you did mention the power measure for reversing criminal justice reform. here she was yesterday talking about that. >> have you submitted your ballot? vp harris: i am feeling great.

i am looking forward to these next 48 hours to continue talk about voters and talk about the stakes and talk about the future of our country which i think is bright when we are working with the same spirit of building communities, building collision and building the strength of our economy and our country. i have, i actually just filled out my mail-in ballot. so i have voted. >> have you returned ballot to california and how did you vote on prop 36? vp harris: so my ballot is on its way to california and i'm going to trust the system that it will arrive there and i am not going to talk about the vote on that because honestly, it's the sunday before the election and i don't intend to create an endorsement one way or another around it. so, but i did vote. host: and here is "u.s.a. today" with this headline.

robert f. kennedy jr. said donald trump would seek to remove chloride from water if elected. here's what the article said. r.k. jr. said on saturday former president trump would seek to remove fluoride as one of his first presidential actions if he is re-elected, falsely saying the compound is dangerous. here's the quote on x on january 20, the trump white house will advise all u.s. water systems to remove fluoride from all water. he said it is linked to a variety of medical conditions despite studies proving evidence to the contrary. -- and joe in des moines, iowa,

harris supporter. good morning. caller: good morning. top of the morning to you! host: you too, joe. caller: a couple of things to run by you. nothing was good under donald trump. he just lied and repeated over and over to brainwash his cult members. that's a global tactic. that is a fascist tactic. rooney brothers, i am one of you. do not let trump fool you what he did for you and lie to you. you can't name one thing, can you that he did for you. fooled you twice, shame on you. trump has been debate of everything he's been starters with. his criminal congress missing the did not hold him accountable to the rule of law. you all calmen in c-span and you reveal your poorly educated and get an education and grow up! host: john in oil city, pennsylvania, trump supporter. good morning, jeff. caller: yeah, there's no doubt

that donald trump was the very best president that we've ever had in american history. because look what happened in afghanistan. they pulled right out of there, led to israel the problem that they had over there as well as russia going into the ukraine. the economy was so much better. and i'm from pennsylvania. when donald trump was president of the united states, there was plenty of jobs and it was deflated. this administration has done a terrible job of gas prices, inflation. you know, border security. i can't even imagine the kind of terrorism that come across that border. i look at that when people say you're uneducated because you like donald trump. i disagree. i'm looking at a guy that was very can do. if it wasn't for covid, he was on a pace to do better than any ft. that we've ever had. host: and jeff, have you already voted? or have you voting tomorrow?

caller: i'm voting tomorrow and i'm voting for donald trump. i would like to say all three members of my family are registered republican and we're all ready to vote. i live in pennsylvania and i know they call us the critical state. i don't know anybody that's voting for kamala harris. host: and let's go to jim in pittsburgh, a harris supporter. jim? caller: donald trump had a town hall meeting type and a gentleman asked him why on january 6 did you

have you voted or not yet? >> i sent my vote in. i initially called independent line but i voted for republicans and democrats. i did vote for harris for multiple number of reasons but i thought that town hall meeting i think that says it all. i think our country was attacked on january 6th and a think donald trump whether he will admit he started or not is irrelevant because when it happened he watched it on television. and didn't do anything about it. he accused his vice president of being a traitor in so many words. that's ridiculous. the man is not qualified come has never been qualified. >> host: here's roger in abilene, kansas, trump supporter. >> caller: yes.

i called in a few times over the last really since i took over and there's only one subject that i really cannot believe we let happen for the last four years and that's borders be open. our borders, i've called and probably two to three times a year and a policy, a vote for kamala visible for open borders. a vote for trump is a vote for close border. that's the main issue. a lot of things trump says i don't agree on because he's, you know, he's not a perfect person. my mother was only perfect person i know, so there's my reasons. thanks. >> host: here's patrick in michigan supporting either. >> caller: good morning, everybody. i would like to remind everyone who wants to see change that in order to achieve change, changes

must be made. i for one would like to see change in our political system happen as quickly and democratically as possible. i also believe in order to achieve this a following for things have to happen. first of all i believe everyone has to admit that things are going as well as they should be, that everyone of us is responsible. to one degree or another it's the problems we all face and we have to stop believing that our children will be able to fix the problems that we have created. we also must realize we don't have a lot of time to begin building a better future. secondly, everybody has to vote. i believe that voting is part of our democracy which the majority rules at its best, i do know of nothing better than voting to get a true merger of what the majority wants. >> host: patrick -- sorry, go ahead. when asked if you were voting

and knew your supporting because you are on the neither line. >> caller: on supporting the green party. >> host: okay. have you already voted or you were doing that tomorrow? >> caller: i have already voted. >> host: okay. and what about down ballot? i'm curious about the other like congress and things like that. >> caller: i support the green party is much as i possibly can. if there on the ballot i vote for them. >> host: what is it not on a particular race, do you do in that case? >> caller: i tend to lean toward the democratic party because of their idealistic rentals but i don't believe that there necessarily doing the job that they should be. >> host: so is your main issue if you have what is it the war in gaza? what's making you support the green party? what you like about their candidate? >> caller: i think that they

are sincere in saying that they are for saving the planet. i think they are sincere that you want to see peace in the world and, therefore, people, social justice. >> host: all right. here is surely in new york, new york, harris supporter. >> caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i'm just calling and because i have -- c-span through this whole election. [inaudible] i mean, nobody fact checks anything before calling in. number one, our laws need to be changed because -- [inaudible] for president of the united states. ..

we are in the right country is. there's so much i want to say i won't say. he thank you. >> yesterday's cnn state of the

union with senator tim scott, republican of south carolina to make the claims of former president trump on election validity. >> the former president maturely declared victory and allow this to play out so the american people can trust the outcomes. >> they are looking forward to a good to say about question. the battleground say we just talked about toward from. donald trump will be our next president. the voters are heading in our direction. one will vote in person, even though they have mail and phallic. a few minutes ago 100,000 vote

pennsylvania republicans who have registered before you add 300,000 voters being polarized away from the democrat party. this will be a very good election and we the people will make the decision. >> i appreciate your optimism, that is your job of the election but what i'm asking he doesn't win and the fact is trump is artie's writing false names about cheating in pennsylvania and repeatedly predicted a massive victory. the race is very close setting the stage for supporters not to believe the results he loses. do you want him to stop doing that? >> any candidate to talk about what happens if they.