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lifelong, staunch republicans. and we're conservative. we're used to hearing at these meetings almost every month a conservative speaker, a republican speaker. today we're going to have a slightly different perspective because our speaker today has a slightly different background historically thanun some of us here in the room. if he started out as a staunch and avid democrat. she worked on the campaigns of two with two of the most liberal senators in the history of california, box orer and and feinstein. boxer and feinstein. [laughter] we forgive you. we forgive you. she worked on the campaign of bill clinton. you remember that guy, back when democrats actually had people that were just left of center and not so far left that we couldn't see it anymore. if -- she was a registered dem.

in 2008 she said, no more. shee became unafill -- unaffiliated. but here's the thing, even as a registered democrat, she voted for ronald reagan twice. [applause] she has voted for every republican candidate since george w. bush in 2000. so maybe registered as an unaffiliated,but she votedte her heart, he voted her conservative values, and then she became a proponent and one of the great champions for the conservative movement. andd she just it would me a few minutes ago that as of last year, she is now a registered republican. welcome to the club, tammy. [applause] tammy's a best selling author. i think you've seen some of her bookss out will. "the newol thought police" was r first. "the can death of right and wrong," and her latest work, "fear itself: exposing the

left's mind-killing agenda." she's a los angeles native. she majored in political science at the university of southern california. i know we cringe when we hear california, but that was all backck then. now she's going for her ph.d.. soon be dr. bruce. and at this point in time, i would like you to give a warm carolina welcome to tammy bruce. [applause] thank you you. thank you. and i'm sorry about, all that other stuff. i'm about all that other stuff. thank you very much. i i am it you know, it's i'm a republican now and. it's still because the indoctrination that occurs it's it makes me nervous.

but or you know we've i think we've got about 30, 40 minutes here and it takes me that long to say hello so i'm i'm talking and i can't up so i've learned how to make a living at that but i really appreciate being here a certainly carol thank you very much and the republican women of greater charlotte i've never been here before. it's beautiful you've all been just so lovely. i knew it was different when were rocking chairs in the airport so i got i'm not leaving i'm not leaving. and one of my first scottish ancestors landed in 1600s in south carolina. he john cooper. so he was. but there's many just many troublemaker in my line. and so it's a it's a pleasure and honor. yes primarily new book first one in 17 years and i know also not that anything last night but and

i don't want to take too much time addressing the debate but also of course as we've paid tribute to as carol so beautifully september 11th. it is a reminder especially this anniversary that of course everything can change in a moment. we we can't live that way we have to presume we look toward each day regardless of what we face, being these mortal creatures. but the fact is, is that we are blessed with being americans. we are americans first, as we we're in the south, in the midwest or the north or the west in california. is a beautiful state. but there's a home invasion robbery there of the entire state. and so we we have work to do. and i think that you my being here, what america, has provided someone like myself, having been a push cart pusher, the left and still informed by the by same

ideals, the same values at that time, which now i to say was quite some time ago. suddenly that happened. i don't know how, but it was i yeah look 40 years ago 40 that's a long time and yet my i think all of our values now the conservative framework is about personal freedom being able to live lives that best suit us which requires being able to at least be middle class and not have the government dictate our businesses or in our personal lives. what we can and cannot do. but that also requires, of course, foundational basis of values where we be trusted, where our how we approach life can be trusted. and that, of course, is it keeps government out of thinking that they can interfere with the choices that we make. so, you know, that is an american sensibility. it used to be, as we now see

with bobby kennedy jr used to be a democrat value and then that was hijacked as. we know so things do change it's a of being nimble and understanding that i think there are probably a few of you here who democrats and are now republicans that the case you know and so let me let me start and so my timeline and again just a reminder also c-span is here they just as we know record straight across there'll be a chance for for questions and yet again our timeline is short so if we will just get the direct questions from and i'm as you can tell i'm still i've gotten to my point yet we we will i'm going to do my best to be as concise as possible. enjoy being here. of course, i love my work at fox have been there 20 years now and i've learned how say things in about 3 minutes and then so this

gives me a much much enjoy this and i appreciate being invited and being here briefly on the debate you're going to see a lot of different points of views, but from my experience, working on both the left and the right my experience working with candidates my experience in communications to some degree crisis communications and then being in media, which really in 1993 and radio is, my experience with is never that there is with exception of the joe biden debacle there's some people will done a little bit better than the other person. right but what matters is what's what the impression is true with everything in life? i think and we also all have ideas about and last night could have been an inflection moment. but what i'm seeing is is it's it's not going to move the needle terribly maybe in the betting but emotions drive the

betting markets. right. what i can you is that already in one survey of india of undecideds that six are now to vote for trump or are leaning to trump three for harris, one still undecided. so when when we think about these conversations and we saw this in the the afterwards the you know they have several undecided people in various places in the voter panels immediately after the debate, without exception what was noticed was that she didn't answer the details of the questions that she she was there's a lot of words. there was a lot of stuff going on. but the very first question, what have you done to help? you know, be better off in the last four years? are they better off immediately? she a canned answer didn't? not at all answer that question.

and that is the question on everyone minds. it's nonpartisan crosses the partizan line. and she didn't answer it. and i knew what the night would be if the natural follow up would have been. madam vice president, thank you. but you didn't answer. my question when that didn't happen, i knew where what the trajectory would be and what i would hope for. and i believe is that it was so obvious that it was a distillation of what has already been happening. lots of words other people saying things for her flip flops, distractions, confusions, but in the new york times siena poll from just a few days ago, a majority of said, we we need some details. we we need details on these issues. and i well this is when she put up the cut and of the biden website on policy onto her policy pages no meaning that they notice that and they knew but it still was meaningless.

there was no detail. she talks about her plan with no details and my feeling is and we're seeing it unfold, is that they're trying to move independents out. and there's some undecideds that exist. and when we think about pennsylvania is what happened night or tailor endorsement? i don't think that the miners or, the oil workers or the frackers were waiting for taylor's opinion. all of us have an opinion and that's fine. but bottom line is, while, you know, we all we would done something differently, we would have. yeah, there's all kinds of opinions. the bottom line is, you know trump and what i've always said on the air and on the few i've been able to speak to him directly is that his greatest strength is himself? the thing that separates him out from everyone else is the fact

he is himself you know, exact only what you're getting last night was frankly classic trump. he talks about all kinds of things. he is a he's a nice guy. he's been portrayed as not being he is. and he's doing all of this because cares about the country. he of all people, knows what's at stake. and i think the emotional reaction as we get now to my book the emotional reaction is based in what's stake. we know that our lives are at stake in this election that freedom speech is at stake. the nature of what this country stands for is at stake. elon musk says we're already a bankruptcy process that is unsustainable. and we're hearing the harris camp no plan about and she's part of what has driven us to this point. there's many things you've seen and it's been discussed will continue to be discussed. but i that when people sit down still today nothing has changed. it comes to average americans

not knowing if they're going to be able to get to work because of gas, not knowing what dinner will. we are very fortunate. americans are, thank god, because of this nation, but still too many families wondering what will the protein be tonight? what can i do now? kids are going back to school. what can i send with my kid for lunch and? having to decide between and americans now, a new poll saying i have been skipping meals. it is the 21st century and the greatest country human history. an american citizens are skipping meals unexcelled and of course we know trump has a history and a greatest economy in human history, energy independence, etc. so we know and that's what americans when they sit down tonight and as independents are tending so it seems say oh trump lost the debate. i think that we need to wait and see how this washes out we need

to wait and. see i don't look so much at the betting markets because they like all betting goes up go up and down but all of this and let me move to my book now so i am i believe he will win but that has not changed. and i think that issues have not changed. and they will not change. her style will not change. and last night was a distilled of what they've done, which is try to busy you up with noise and distractions pretend be something they're not while trying to make you afraid of what republican and conservative stand for. that's what their technique is and why i wrote this first time first book in 17 years on the issue of fear being used to control society. so no matter what happens, even the election when we look back, as we look forward, the one thing that is consistent with the left the world is using

emotion to control the population and not happiness, right? not the fake joy. but then posting up trump's going to be a dictator on day one. it is an interesting and it's used it's successful. it's an ancient technique hundreds of years it's it's of course used all around the world by people who have nothing else to control you. now, when you're involved and you move through that fear framework, use your brain, stop using logic and reason because you move into fight or flight mode and then you react emotionally exclusively. you don't stop to think about, well, you know what? the next day going to bring you stay the moment and you're not thinking what else might be possible. so that is been the strategy everywhere. in our case, of course, we saw a great deal of that many people were aware of the power of that during covid. is there a bottle of water.

could i get a water or? a glass of water? that would be great. it started. i think americans were educated about the nature of how we saw how quickly. thank you very much. thank you, sir. so americans, we were told immediately we needed to stay six feet away from each other. we needed to wear masks. this was you know, it's you've got to you can't visit loved ones are hospitalized. you can't see your your family and friends if they're, let's say, in a nursing home. people died alone. women gave birth. i mean, all these stress decisions that we made and where were willing to go in the midst of that, because the government said this is the way to do it and. now, earlier this year, we fought, she admitted that the six feet away from each other, which we knew was absurd, admitted he just he didn't know

where came from. i think it was delivered. leprechauns. it's hard to say, but is it? yeah. yeah. that just he said i think his phrase was sort of showed up and that i don't know that a new scientific theorem either that showed up theorem and of course also with the masks he admitted that maybe about 10% efficacy if worn properly i.e. the n95s or whatever were called, but that putting the band around your face. in other words, meant nothing. right it wasn't just about covering your face. what's important here? that there was no real scientific decision making or drive to that. it was fear. and i think that it managed in this framework of realizing what was possible and how, what could we get done, what weird. what strange rule people follow if they afraid enough. and so that's where many of

these kinds of issues began to manifest canada as an example. and you know, the book doesn't just talk about covid there's a elements in in there about covid, certainly. it's also global warming. the other giant boogeyman, which is amorphous, like covid, that it's undefinable, it can be whatever is you describe canada, though, during this period time that it was like a whistleblower, i guess. but it it was the military had decided see what rural canadians would do if there was a wild pack of wolves on the loose. because, you know, let's see what they would do if they were afraid an program they sent fliers out to residents saying out for the crazy wolves. and then they set up in various rural areas of wolves howling the government in. and the it was this division,

the military that was determined see what would how what how could people be pushed under? a framework of fear like this in england during and a whistleblower leaked messages online between government officials involved in the covid response saying that they would hold back about a new variant in order to make sure it had biggest impact possible and that they needed to scare the pants off of people because the british were not responding. so there's open conversations about using fear or withholding news, releasing it at certain times. and now many groups there acknowledging that what they did unconscionable and manipulate the british people over covid that happened everywhere ever. beware. governments got excited about to manipulate people.

so on the issue of fear though, this is what's a conundrum. fear itself, fear per say is not the problem. fear is a gift. friend of mine, gavin de becker, he's the seminal book called the gift of fear. i met him during the oj simpson killings and trials and he's a security expert and his point is fear is a useful thing it but it's meant to be trans jittery so if you see your aunt in your car and you see a train coming and you're too close to the tracks, you get afraid and you back up. if you see that your door is slightly ajar and you've been out, you know, to not go in your back up and you take action. if you notice something that is your daughter's having problems and not talking to you or physically she's changed or she's lost too much weight or something's going on.

fear is an initial reaction. but then you act, it spurs you to take moves that you normally not take, right? there's a man walking on the street, it's street. you're the only other person walking on the street. he crosses the street to get to your side of the street ladies. i think we all experience a situation where our spidey sense, which is the instinct of fear, but it also tells us in the moment when need to make we need to make a change. we need to cross the street ourselves. we need to not presume. the one time i was mugged was in los angeles when i was much younger and i was on the left and i there were two young men on the street and i was determined not to be and to give them the benefit of the doubt, even though instinct was, don't get out of your car i got out of my car and it was a mistake. i was slugged. i was knocked, i fell. thank goodness.

a lawn of a neighbor's home. and as i was coming to had been over me and was reaching for at the time i carried i carry a bag now cross-body bag but it was grasping my bag but the light came on and the house in which the on which i fell, which means i must have made a noise. and eventually i got my bag back. and it was a couple of neighborhood kids were like trying out for the gang and but my instinct and what the left wants you to do is to your instinct, they want to question your values. they want you to ignore the that we're facing. they want you to think that if you are concerned about children or what's transpiring you're a bigot or you can't be trusted or something's wrong with you or you living in past, or i'd love to live in the past when we have the strongest economy in the world. i'd you know, i'd love to live in the past when we don't have world wars breaking out.

but is part of it as well? is the fear. and there's chapters on this as well. the issue of language the of being called a name right. the new woke framework is also meant for you to be afraid of being are being canceled of losing your job. right that is all become normally ized of being publicly shamed and that's all to just keep you quiet. it is a new censorship through fear, by the way. poverty is also a a powerful censor. if you can affect an economy where people can't come and support their favorite or their favoritedates. if you can't afford to travel to go to an event, if you can't afford to live in the neighborhood, you want to live in, beg for a school, whatever you are trapped. you're trapped. that is the ultimate censor. you can't hurt. you can't people you want to support. you can't move. you can't leave.

that is what the left works. so all of these things rely the fear, the fear. and today the fear is and this is why people think, oh, well, it's a failed economy. it's not a failed economy. if your intention is to keep people trapped is to make them not not able to to, you know move out of a certain state, make people not be able to speak up because they'll they'll lose the two jobs that they now have to have in order pay the rent, fear of, not being able to pay that rent if something happens. more and more americans, a majority. i still are living paycheck to that is not normal in our society in a society of entrepreneurs and the free market and capital. every 20 years there seems to be problem that puts us on our heels economically. funny enough, every generation kind of gets kneecapped out a little bit and we're in that. we're at that inflection point again with a direction that no

talks about when it comes to the economy for next year, and that the bad economy raises fear. so for left and you saw this in the debate, you see this with the rhetoric. the issue is if you're hearing rhetoric about as an example to border, that's worth being afraid. the border is open. we have known terrorists. the watch list coming through. we've got people being imported into the country that don't embrace the values that that are you know in small towns attacking, park wildlife and eating it you know things that are so that it's worth fear but what being asked to do when you're being told on these things is not to be afraid and retreat. it's about all right on the transitory position what do we do? so the gauge becomes as the as the left tells you and this will be my last point.

i know we're out of time as the left tells you about, global warming, there's no real endpoint. there's no real solution. banning plastic straws. i'm sorry. or turning off. they won't. don't use the air conditioner. be uncomfortable. suffer it. don't use cars. fossil fuels, electric vehicles. of course. does electricity come from they don't like. to discuss that so much but it's all about a that makes you choose strange options or makes it pushes you into a dynamic that makes no sense whatsoever and it costs money and more government. but there's never an endpoint. every ten or 15 years, there's a new, scary that the world's going to end in ten or 15 years. i'd tell it in my book where you look back and every years there's some new thing you. know, aoki's thing was, you know, in 12 years the world is going to end. it's usually 20 years. and that is to have you stop

thinking critically. we're going to save the planet. you've got to not straws or dry. and you think, well, okay, whatever i can do what's never addressed china and china being the contributor it's eight rivers in china i think two in indonesia that provide all the pollution into the world's oceans banning plastic straws in the united states is not a solution but of course it makes you think you've done something and then you retreat from an issue that we all love the environment but it makes you think you've done your part when none of us have done our part. that's the issue and it continues. it will never be solved. fear and this is about killing your mind on every issue. it's to stop your critical thinking. we start and if you do think critically, there's punishments for acting on that criticism and then may even yourself comply

they want you to comply because the punishments you don't comply are too severe and it has to be on where like with miss where you don't to talk details. there are no details they can't tell how that solves the problem or with the economy or anything else. so i think that the this is an evergreen book. it can be applied everywhere i go through what happened to justice kavanaugh in that confirmation hearing what's happened donald trump. j.k. rowling on the issue of gender reassignment surgeries and children that all of those are meant as messages to the rest of you if we can do it to them, we can do it to you. that's my message. that's pretty obvious message. if we can do to them, no one is safe. and that's their point on issues. they're trying to find out. and i hope they're wrong. and we'll take some questions. but on issues like can we get them to say that these agents of

the state in schools are better for their children than they are. can we get parents to their children? can we get a dolts to look away when children become objects of sexual politics? and that's what it is sexual politics. sexual ization of children when it's the most innocent time and irreversible situations. can they frighten you into accepting it for fear of criticism or. that is all of our positions right now. and it's a very weak house. but it can be defeated. and i think that we're seeing it play out in the right now that you're going to be thinking more about for the left, it's about abortion and fear. and for if there's a fear based message where there's no solution, that's the mind killing aspect. if there is a genuine to be

afraid of, where there is a solution, like with the border policies dealing with mexico, building that wall, they acting on the solutions that's and that's that's a different framework so it's the weaponizing of an important aspect that leads our lives and left want you to retreat and to be too afraid to engage all of you here are not in that position you're this room this organization's in that position and it's honor and a pleasure to be here. every day we've. got to talk about these things. so thank you very. and we've got some questions now. jeremy, that was all right. let me make sure this one's on well, you can probably hear me without it, right? okay. but wait now for the c-span, we've got another out there. oh, so there's a different microphones. okay, microphone. great questions.

so we surprised you. we started a little bit early so we could have extra with cami for questions. so we have a little bit more time than we than promised her. but here's the caveat. you've all been to that uncomfortable room where the question becomes a speech so we'll ask that you ask questions and then, you know, save comments and just ask the question. so with that, who would like to ask first question? yeah, back here. so we have a microphone, the field way back to my right. i think it is that one. yeah. i think it's an. all right, here we go. i won't need one. yes. and then, of course, my issue is my answer is 20 minutes long. so i'm going to follow that rule. well, so we can get as many of you here as possible, because it's a national audience. and i think people generally don't from north carolinians, they don't hear from. and it's an important time and i think they deserve to hear from

you. yes, sir. hi, i'm jeff spry. i want say welcome to the old north state and where cornwallis met a hornet's nest. here we go oh, my my question is, what news media source is away from our beloved fox news? do you consider reliable and dependable and where you listen for other other information? well, that's a good question. the all of legacy media is a problem. and we certainly saw that last night. and i think that's going to be the the legacy of that debate. people will remember that kind of behavior of the moderators in the meantime, but think that right now really is i've gotten a lot more active on twitter which is now ex thank god for elon musk and without him we would not be hearing any

anything that now is valuable so i'm very active on there there is i've gotten so many other different layers about articles and reporting and course you've got to be able to sort through and you can control the feed. but i'm on i'm on twitter x at hey tammy bruce there's videos now long form videos i put one up just before i came here. there's subscriptions that help creators make a little bit of money they're going to be starting up tv is not going to stop it's going to be remarkable and and so i think i'm i'm thinking here god man my column is it a group called a mac dot u.s.? it is the conservative alternate tive to the aarp. they also have articles and material and so i'm proud of being associated with them. but in all honesty, unless there is some major change where you want people tuned.

fox and i write about them a little bit in the book they have more liberals and democrats listening to fox than they do cnn or msnbc because everyone knows they need information to information a variety of information to decide what you're going to do for your family and for yourselves. so i have to say, i don't have a look, i think about my browser now online where i might go. i where you my channel is on fox or it's on hallmark and and the magnolia channel and main cabin masters, you know, the true crime and course fox nation, i think is in the top ten of the downloaded apps for for information and news which is fox nation the streaming service so that i to tell you until we see more and things settle down i think right now it's limited and it's social media. yes.

hi, kiesha brassington. this could not have been more perfect day to talk about fear. i met with a group of students last week at appalachian state university and that was their main subject. it was fear about taxes. it was fear that they would never be able to buy home. fear that they would never be able to start a family. these are their real fears. so what do you we would say to them, number one, to have them vote. right. but the number two, to alleviate their so that they're comfortable in voting. yeah, it's a great question because that's we all have fear of what's happening. and that is what then provokes. kamala, the thing is, afraid you can't get a house. so then here is with money from the government for you to buy a house. california. yet gavin newsom vetoed it. but passed a bill that for like $150,000 for illegal aliens, only to buy a house. it's the moment if they create enough or the or the price controls which we know have destroyed every country that's ever implemented them.

but left has to because their policies make prices impossible, as we are now experiencing aigs up double digits, 10% for 50%, 80% in some cases. and what's government's answer? oh, here we're going to we're going to price those greedy grocers who are making a 1.6% profit. i mean, if you're a price gouging, you're a very bad one. i mean, at least gouge 10%. i mean, come on. but it's the excuse use to say you can't live life on your own government has to save you. the answer to young people is, first of all, to not to talk about it with people, to talk about it with their to know that this is not normal. the fear dynamic situation, not having a child of global warming. right. as an example maybe it's your child who will solve the problems that we've all been experiencing. but it's that deep and it's being able talk with people to

recognize this is not organic it's not normal and it's unsustainable. we don't want it to collapse. so we're we have to remake the country. we want to stop it before it continues to do damage. and as young people, they're in the perfect position to recognize that they're afraid. and then to decide is the of a decision. i talk about this at the end of the book, the decision to not governed by fear to your critical mind and to then make decisions accordingly and to presume that what you're hearing, making you so afraid can be changed and that it shouldn't stop you from living your life. a decision each day? yes. first of all, welcome to the tar state. thank you. congratulations. your new book. thank you. fantastic. and in my view, it's a must read as we get into the critical of the election, all of us are going to everyday encounters where we might have an opportunity to speak to an independent undecided.

right. if you were to have what i would call like an elevator speech moment, that's not my specialty, though. as you can tell. i have the two hour flight to here moment. yes, but an opportunity to share just briefly with someone who's you. i've listened to both candidates. i'm not political. i'm not following it closely. yes you're a republican or you're going to a republican ticket. why what? what am i missing? what would you say. all right. i would say, don't think that you're voting a certain party's ticket that. you're voting for the people who have behaved a certain way and delivered on the issues that who has delivered on the issues? forget their parties. kamala harris. and the last four years of the destruction of the economy, world wars, israel being a by terrorists. on october we're coming up to a year on that attack in israel, russia and ukraine. the debacle of afghanistan,

which was the key to making bad guys think that they could do what they wanted. i still about china and taiwan and it's like the decision is clear if like the last four years we will go back to reagan if you like the last four years then vote for kamala harris and you'll get it on steroids. if and thank goodness, trump's success is recent enough where you can point to trump's success. strongest economy literally in human history, energy independence. we were an exporter. that's important because when there's more oil on the market, the price of oil goes down. russia and iran rely their income. the gdp is money they can do things when oil is high, when the price of oil goes down. certainly not relying on tourism. right. like so, france can rely on tourism. iran can't. so it means that's why you have

fewer less adventurism? because there's no money for the bad guys. unless, of course, you send them pallets of billions of dollars, as obama did with iran. so and then you shut them out. but the elevator, it's not about parties. this is about who's done what. if you're you're making a choice about who to go out with for a night on the. do you choose the person who got out of jail and who did a home invasion robbery and is has general life and doesn't tell you the truth and is always lying to you? or do you choose the person who's got a history that proves that they're reliable? it's that simple. people have to the left is major nervous about voting for republicans because hitler right. because hitler. but that's the lie. so it's about. do you want more of this insanity? none of this is normal. it was created on a dime by. by. and the spending, the green new deal spending disguised as the

inflation reduction act of. biden admitted it a week or so ago, saying we should have called it what it was. that's the inflation, the billions of spending, billions for electric vehicle chargers across the country. i think was like it was 40 or 50 billion. they built eight chargers, eight. so i'm sorry. that was obviously too rides. i hope that worked all right. yes, sir. hi, tammy. welcome to charlotte. i'm charlie dunn. and my question is this a great fear that i have? is that the outcome of this election could be dependent. primarily on one issue and abortion. am i justified in my fear. well, you know, the big issue

number one is the economy. and this is what i've said to, republicans, because people got upset when when trump took the phrase reproductive rights there to cast reproduction to cast abortion as some of act of freedom is is a lie, 70%. now we know of women who have an abortion. if they had the money to keep child, they would. seven out of ten abortions are either because they're financially they believe, financially incapable of doing this or working two jobs, or they're also going to school or there's pressure from outside. someone else is saying that to them and pushing them and they don't have. the financial stability or their personal life stability to be able to resist the outside pressure and usually perhaps would be a man or parents. and you can't afford this we

can't afford this. don't do this. real to that. how is it having to choose an abortion? because you have enough money in the united states, america to have a child. how is that a choice? it's not. i was the of an affair. my mother was 40, unemployed. not a great maker at the time, having an affair with a married man and she got pregnant. pre birth control pills and he left. he was involved allegedly with the mob. and she left her and after she had several. i maybe two months along. and a man came up to door and had an envelope of about $10,000. this was in 1962, which was a lot of money when you had to go to mexico or pay a doctor, enough to do it. and they said, okay, here you go. you need to get rid of this. and she said,

and she said, okay. and then she kept the money and she kepthe the baby. [laughter] i'm grateful. but that was a choice to. he had the money. she had the money. half a choice. -- that was a choice. i'm sick and tired of having the left cast women who are living in an economy that don't allow them to be able to address an emergency, a health emergency, a pregnancy, a child's emergency because they don't have the money because they don't have the right jobs and they've lost all their save aings and their house is underwater and butter with control failed -- birth control failed sometimes, and sometimes you're not thinking and things happen. seven outth of ten the of those women though would say i want an economy whereec women can say -- and this is why abortions went trump's presidency more than anything else -- women could say, wait a minute, i can do this. i want women to say that on

every single issue. you want to be a franchise? hey, wait awa minute, i can do this. or youyo want to move into a hoe and get out of that apartment in the urban area, wait a minute, i can do n this. you're not going to be a millionaire. you're going to just be living where else, and you can pay for the move. maybee everyone's fighting, you know, they don't want school vouchers because theu left wans you in that indoctrination center. wait a minute, i can do this. i can pay for that school. with abortion, the same situation. when you're there, and my mother inmy telling me this story was e got that cash, and it was like, oh, because that's what you're supposed to do.re and she was a little bit afraid of his group. and then she had her sister with her, and my mother said exactly that phrase, you knowsome i can do this. and here i am. [applause] how many, how many are not here because they did not have are a

choice in don't believe this pro-choice garbage. reproductive rights is a conservative issue because it's anc economic issue. and more women will have more free come to make that choice. now women are -- freedom to make that choice. women are running around, oh, my god, everything is so awful. but they're going to give me abortion, they've got abortion even though i can't pay my rent and there's drugs on the treat and my cat's been strollen and what am i going to do and we don't know where we're going to liveve next week, and we have to join the military so we have some money, and then you'll be sent off to fight the middle eastern war. what life is that? but, hey, ladies, it's okay. you can have an abortion. that is the left. that is certainly not feminist. and if now the truth of that has to be called out for what it is. because women don't want the government telling them what they can do with their bodies which would include forced vaccinations in order to keep your job. [applause] you want choice?

that -- vaccinations are good. we mow the history of vaccinations, but we want information, we want trials, we wantts to know what the results are. we want to know what's going to happen tocc our babies with the vaccinations for children. choices involve information and not government coercion which is what abortion is now in this country with seven out of ten. that's government coercion like china which is simply more obvious about it. if our government and the left and the democrats say it's empowering. to woman that i know who's had an abortion -- no woman that i know who who's had an abortion or miscarried has ever forgotten that child. sometimes, oh, yeah, he would have been 12 this year or i wonder what that kid would have been doing. it never leaves you. finish i've never had, thank god, having had to go through that. but i've had many friends who have had both experiences, and it changes them. and the left is lying because it

was, oh, don't worry. you have to live in the city and you don't have any money, but we can get you that abortion. how dare they cast this as some empowerhe ifment. can -- empowerment. see what happens when you ask me a question? [laughter] i fought that issue on the basis of i don't thinkli the governmet should be telling us how to live our lives. that informs my ideals about an overarching government that uses all these other reasons to try and ruin us. so that was my answer. i'm sorry. i think that's it. but it'll be the economy that drivesle this election for all e rightt reasons. women understand being able to get an abortion means nothing. if i'm living on the street, that's the issue. allis right. thank,k, everyone. thank you very much. appreciatete it. [applause] ..

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